Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Nov 22, 2015, at 6:39 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 22/11/15, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Maybe I'll get it in red to add a little pizzazz to the camera, for
>> Cotty. :-) 
> 
> How about a metal file and smooth off o few of those edges ;-)

What, you want it to have the "melting bar of soap DSLR look" that everyone 
complains about?
Wait … Maybe that'll be the Lenny Kravitz Special Edition look! =8^0

G


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Jack Davis]

Godfrey, thanks for the thoroughly detailed response to my
EVF question. Feels appropriate to the capability of the SL.
I imagine you have it attached to a substantial neck strap. :)

J

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Subject: Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

Hi Jack, 

The SL EVF is without question the best one on the market today. It is nothing 
short of an excellent viewfinder in all respects. 

There aren't many adjustments to be made other than brightness, which can be 
set in a range of five or six steps, or to scale automatically. Plus the 
diopter adjustment, of course. There are five overlay modes as well that you 
can select, and several format options for framing. 

That's for still work. There are other options for movie work— the SL includes 
fairly advanced motion capture capabilities, including 4K 10bit capture output 
to an HDMI recorder. 

I've spent most of my medical leave doing two things: concentrating on healing 
and studying the SL. It was a great way to spend the time.  :-)

G


> On Nov 21, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Godfrey,
> I've been enjoying reading about your new SL to which I give some credit 
> for your speedy hip replacement recovery.
> Am curious what your opinion is of the EVF. Are you able to adjust the image
> and how satisfactory do you find it?
> Thanks!
> 
> J

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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

You're welcome. 

I'm using the standard Leica neck strap at present. It's reasonably comfortable 
and certainly strong enough, but I don't usually wear a large and heavy camera 
like this around my neck or even on my shoulder very much. I find that too 
tiring. I usually like to wrap the neckstrap around my wrist for security and 
carry the camera in my hand, or in a shoulder bag when I'm not actively 
shooting; I put the camera on around my neck or over my shoulder briefly, when 
I'm changing lenses or otherwise fussing with getting things in and out of the 
bag, to prevent drops. 

The problem with the standard strap (as with all flat straps) is that they get 
tangled up when used this way; corded-style straps don't tangle. So I'd just 
order a Street Strap like I have for all my other cameras ... but the SL strap 
uses flat ribbon ends rather than split rings and you can't get the Street 
Strap with the correct ends. I looked at the Lance straps too, they don't have 
the right ends either. There are adapter ends, but what I've seen of them 
doesn't inspire confidence.

After a good bit of hunting, I have found just one corded strap with the 
correct ends: the Artisan & Artist ACAM-305 silk cord strap. It's a bit on the 
pricey side (about $150-$190 depending where you get it from), but I know 
they're very strong, very light, and very well made. I found a couple of corded 
leather straps of a similar design, semi-custom made, but they too are in the 
$150 and plus price bracket. Sigh. Haven't quite made a decision yet, but I'll 
likely go for the silk corded strap; I trust A products. Maybe I'll get it in 
red to add a little pizzazz to the camera, for Cotty. :-) 

LOL … I obviously have a bit of time on my hands to write all that about a neck 
strap. I think I'll process a couple of photos now … 

G


> On Nov 22, 2015, at 5:34 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> Godfrey, thanks for the thoroughly detailed response to my
> EVF question. Feels appropriate to the capability of the SL.
> I imagine you have it attached to a substantial neck strap. :)


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Steve Cottrell]

On 22/11/15, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

> Maybe I'll get it in red to add a little pizzazz to the camera, for
>Cotty. :-) 

How about a metal file and smooth off o few of those edges ;-)
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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Ken Waller]

How is it for action captures? Is there a delay between what you see when you 
hit the release and what you actually capture?

-Original Message-
>From: Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG
>
>Godfrey, thanks for the thoroughly detailed response to my
>EVF question. Feels appropriate to the capability of the SL.
>I imagine you have it attached to a substantial neck strap. :)
>
>J
>
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>From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <godd...@me.com>
>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net>
>Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 8:51:30 PM
>Subject: Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG
>
>Hi Jack, 
>
>The SL EVF is without question the best one on the market today. It is nothing 
>short of an excellent viewfinder in all respects. 
>
>There aren't many adjustments to be made other than brightness, which can be 
>set in a range of five or six steps, or to scale automatically. Plus the 
>diopter adjustment, of course. There are five overlay modes as well that you 
>can select, and several format options for framing. 
>
>That's for still work. There are other options for movie work— the SL includes 
>fairly advanced motion capture capabilities, including 4K 10bit capture output 
>to an HDMI recorder. 
>
>I've spent most of my medical leave doing two things: concentrating on healing 
>and studying the SL. It was a great way to spend the time.  :-)
>
>G
>
>
>> On Nov 21, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Godfrey,
>> I've been enjoying reading about your new SL to which I give some credit 
>> for your speedy hip replacement recovery.
>> Am curious what your opinion is of the EVF. Are you able to adjust the image
>> and how satisfactory do you find it?
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> J.


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Nov 22, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> How is it for action captures? Is there a delay between what you see when you 
> hit the release and what you actually capture?

It's very quick … shutter release response is about as fast as the Leica M-P 
typ 240 or Nikon F6 (and other pro-grade bodies, set to manual focus). There's 
very little lag, and recovery time between shots is barely an eye blink. In 
high speed sequence mode, it can capture and store 11FPS (raw + JPEG) for up to 
about 4 or 5 seconds. 

The Howitzer^B^B^B^B^B^B^B^BVario-Elmarit-SL 24-90 lens focuses very fast and 
does pretty well with AF-C and tracking from the little I've tried, but I'm not 
much of an AF user and don't feel myself able to compare it with any great 
credibility. 

G
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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

This is true, it's an expensive piece of equipment. But it's an entirely 
different kind of camera compared to the 645Z and not directly comparable. In 
the Leica product range, the comparable piece of equipment to the Pentax 645Z 
is the Leica S system … which is quite a bit more expensive, particularly the 
lenses. 

It all depends what you're after. I have looked at the Pentax 645Z as I had a 
645 in the past and liked it, but it wasn't what I was after. The SL is exactly 
what I've been hoping to see, and proves to be just the ticket for me. 

I bought both SL and 24-90 lens (a $5000 "kit" lens? LOL!). I'll likely only 
use the zoom occasionally, though; my original plan was to buy just the body 
since I have a full complement of Leica R lenses to use with the camera, could 
have saved that money. But it's nice to have one dedicated lens that allows me 
to use all the features of the body including all exposure modes, AF, and image 
stabilization.

onwards,
G


> On Nov 21, 2015, at 2:08 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> It appears to be a very nice camera, but for the cost of that body & kit
> lens I could almost afford the Pentax "645Z Medium Format DSLR Camera
> Comprehensive Starter Kit" from B


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hi Jack, 

The SL EVF is without question the best one on the market today. It is nothing 
short of an excellent viewfinder in all respects. 

There aren't many adjustments to be made other than brightness, which can be 
set in a range of five or six steps, or to scale automatically. Plus the 
diopter adjustment, of course. There are five overlay modes as well that you 
can select, and several format options for framing. 

That's for still work. There are other options for movie work— the SL includes 
fairly advanced motion capture capabilities, including 4K 10bit capture output 
to an HDMI recorder. 

I've spent most of my medical leave doing two things: concentrating on healing 
and studying the SL. It was a great way to spend the time.  :-)

G


> On Nov 21, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> Godfrey,
> I've been enjoying reading about your new SL to which I give some credit 
> for your speedy hip replacement recovery.
> Am curious what your opinion is of the EVF. Are you able to adjust the image
> and how satisfactory do you find it?
> Thanks!
> 
> J

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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Jack Davis]

Godfrey,
I've been enjoying reading about your new SL to which I give some credit 
for your speedy hip replacement recovery.
Am curious what your opinion is of the EVF. Are you able to adjust the image
and how satisfactory do you find it?
Thanks!

J

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To: "PDML" <pdml@pdml.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 4:44:41 PM
Subject: Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

This is true, it's an expensive piece of equipment. But it's an entirely 
different kind of camera compared to the 645Z and not directly comparable. In 
the Leica product range, the comparable piece of equipment to the Pentax 645Z 
is the Leica S system … which is quite a bit more expensive, particularly the 
lenses. 

It all depends what you're after. I have looked at the Pentax 645Z as I had a 
645 in the past and liked it, but it wasn't what I was after. The SL is exactly 
what I've been hoping to see, and proves to be just the ticket for me. 

I bought both SL and 24-90 lens (a $5000 "kit" lens? LOL!). I'll likely only 
use the zoom occasionally, though; my original plan was to buy just the body 
since I have a full complement of Leica R lenses to use with the camera, could 
have saved that money. But it's nice to have one dedicated lens that allows me 
to use all the features of the body including all exposure modes, AF, and image 
stabilization.

onwards,
G


> On Nov 21, 2015, at 2:08 PM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> It appears to be a very nice camera, but for the cost of that body & kit
> lens I could almost afford the Pentax "645Z Medium Format DSLR Camera
> Comprehensive Starter Kit" from B


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[John]

It appears to be a very nice camera, but for the cost of that body & kit
lens I could almost afford the Pentax "645Z Medium Format DSLR Camera
Comprehensive Starter Kit" from B

On 11/20/2015 2:57 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Nov 20, 2015, at 12:50 AM, Steve Cottrell 
wrote:

On 20/11/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

I'm pretty sure Cotty said it was the ugliest camera body he'd
ever seen.

Ah that. Yes. If Mattel got into photography ;-)


Cotty said that in reference to the Leica SL. I don't agree, but then
I don't care either.  ;-) (Sorry, Cotty.) I spend my time looking
through a camera, not at it.

I'll do some beauty shots of the SL with various lenses fitted (not
the cartoonishly large 24-90 zoom^B^B^B^Bhowitzer). I like its simple
and straightforward looks, but even more than that I like it's superb
feel, build, controls, and performance.

The controls are quite different from anything else (other than a
Leica S) and, with four days to learn it, I have to say it's one of
the very nicest modern cameras to use I've tried. Very configurable
with only a very few buttons and dials to remember, yet everything
falls to hand and operates very fast, and it's proving very easy to
learn and remember—even without any markings on the body to remind
you. I know more about all the SL's options and how to get what I
want out of them now, four days in, than I did with the Sony A7 after
a year and a half of using it…! That's really good design for a
complicated thing like a modern day pro-grade camera.

G



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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[John]

I'm afraid neither the Leica, nor the 645Z is anywhere in my foreseeable
future.

On 11/21/2015 7:44 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

This is true, it's an expensive piece of equipment. But it's an
entirely different kind of camera compared to the 645Z and not
directly comparable. In the Leica product range, the comparable
piece of equipment to the Pentax 645Z is the Leica S system … which
is quite a bit more expensive, particularly the lenses.

It all depends what you're after. I have looked at the Pentax 645Z
as I had a 645 in the past and liked it, but it wasn't what I was
after. The SL is exactly what I've been hoping to see, and proves to
be just the ticket for me.

I bought both SL and 24-90 lens (a $5000 "kit" lens? LOL!). I'll
likely only use the zoom occasionally, though; my original plan was
to buy just the body since I have a full complement of Leica R
lenses to use with the camera, could have saved that money. But it's
nice to have one dedicated lens that allows me to use all the
features of the body including all exposure modes, AF, and image
stabilization.

onwards, G



On Nov 21, 2015, at 2:08 PM, John  wrote:

It appears to be a very nice camera, but for the cost of that body
& kit lens I could almost afford the Pentax "645Z Medium Format
DSLR Camera Comprehensive Starter Kit" from B





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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

For anyone interested, I've added another 10 or so photos to the Leica SL album 
on Flickr: 

  https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/51061i

enjoy, 
G
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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 20, 2015, at 12:50 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 20/11/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> I'm pretty sure Cotty said it was the ugliest camera body he'd ever seen.
> Ah that. Yes. If Mattel got into photography ;-)

Cotty said that in reference to the Leica SL. I don't agree, but then I don't 
care either.  ;-) (Sorry, Cotty.)
I spend my time looking through a camera, not at it.

I'll do some beauty shots of the SL with various lenses fitted (not the 
cartoonishly large 24-90 zoom^B^B^B^Bhowitzer). I like its simple and 
straightforward looks, but even more than that I like it's superb feel, build, 
controls, and performance. 

The controls are quite different from anything else (other than a Leica S) and, 
with four days to learn it, I have to say it's one of the very nicest modern 
cameras to use I've tried. Very configurable with only a very few buttons and 
dials to remember, yet everything falls to hand and operates very fast, and 
it's proving very easy to learn and remember—even without any markings on the 
body to remind you. I know more about all the SL's options and how to get what 
I want out of them now, four days in, than I did with the Sony A7 after a year 
and a half of using it…! That's really good design for a complicated thing like 
a modern day pro-grade camera. 

G
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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG (Larry)

[Alan C]

Thanks for those words of wisdom, Larry.

The trouble is that SA is effectively a third world country. The Rand has 
deteriorated from R1=$1 and R2=£1 to R14=$1 and R22=£1 in just 30 years on 
account of high inflation. Only executive salaries have kept pace. The rank 
& file have now fallen far behind. Wage earners are the worst off. 
Entrepreneurs do much better. If you want a dirt cheap holiday, come to 
South Africa.


The price of so-called luxury goods is through the roof. Camera prices are 
roughly twice what you pay which is why people still ask a lot for S/H 
stuff. Private import is risky (theft) and still expensive with import 
duties added. "Visitor" import is the best, as you suggest. Fortunately my 
UK based daughter visits every 3/4 years. She brought Mark Cassino's K7 a 
couple of years ago so I was able to get it at a very good price & managed 
to avoid import duty. I will have to see what is available next time she 
visits.


Alan C

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Alan C wrote:

Godders, thanks for your treatise. Many things I hadn't even thought of.
I'm still on a learning curve. My K7 (and even my old K110D) do very
well for general photography especially in good light if the ISO is 200
or less. By ISO 800 the sensors are quite noisy & noise reduction tends
to soften the images. A lot of my preferred photography involves crops
of distant (or small) subjects & I know I'm expecting a lot from my
modest consumer equipment. Since the K7, all the Pentax offerings seem
to have much better sensors, especially in low light & will allow better


There was a huge improvement starting with the Kx. In many ways it
seemed as if the performance of my K20 was a step back from that of my
K100, and the K7 was reputed to be no better than the K20.

The Kr addressed most of the major usability issues of the Kx, and if
you can find an inexpensive one is likely your best sensor performance
for the price option.  It probably outperforms your K7 at high ISO by a
couple of stops.


H/H performance at higher ISO's. I have seen some S/H K 01's at quite


S/H ?  Second Hand?


low prices but you have now ruled it out with long lenses so that's
that. Older S/H Hoya K5's (suspect?) are also to be had quite cheaply.
New K5's, K5ii's, K3's & K3ii's are all still available here but rather
expensive. Even S/H ones remain pricey. The K50 now seems the best bet
although the K S2 doesn't cost much more. You pays your money & takes
your chance!


The performance of the K-5 is very impressive, moving from the K7 it
should leave you gobsmacked. While the K-3 may lag behind the K-5 in
some benchmarks, my limited experience is that in the final image, with
the extra pixels to work with, actual sensor performance remains about
on par, and pretty much everything else is improved.

My limited experience playing with a K-S2 is that it would be
comfortable for those with exceptionally small hands. My hands are small
for a guy, and I found that its sharp corners poked me uncomfortably. I
have never held a K50.

I suspect that your best option might be to organize a South Africa
photo safari and use the proceeds from that to get one of the people on
it to bring you some used gear from places where it can be purchased
affordably.




Alan C


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Steve Cottrell]

On 20/11/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'm pretty sure Cotty said it was the ugliest camera body he'd ever seen.

Ah that. Yes. If Mattel got into photography ;-)

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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Larry Colen]

Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 20 Nov 2015, at 02:08, Larry Colen  wrote:



Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 19/11/15, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:


It pains me to admit it, but I'm with Cotty on this one.

I said what?

Can't remember

I suspect that was a braino on Bob's part.  He meant to type Goddy and typed 
Cotty instead.



Goddy? Certainly not! I'm pretty sure Cotty said it was the ugliest camera body 
he'd ever seen.


Well you did type it as a reply to something Godders wrote.



B


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks Frank! 
More going up tomorrow, perhaps.

G

> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:31 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> Late jumping in here, but really quite lovely stuff.
> 
> Impressive...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank 
> 
> On November 18, 2015 3:13:48 AM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>  wrote:
>> ...
>>  https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz
>> ...


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[knarf]

Late jumping in here, but really quite lovely stuff.

Impressive...

 Cheers,

frank 

On November 18, 2015 3:13:48 AM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
wrote:
>I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera
>arrived at the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out
>of the house and go pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had
>put out a huge amount of effort to get me a camera as quickly as they
>could, on introduction day—I felt I owed it to them to pick it up
>promptly. 
>
>It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure
>you. :-|
>
>When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
>I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday
>afternoon. 
>
>This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera
>while I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are
>there now: 
>
>   https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz
>
>I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything
>about it answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera",
>point by point … and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was
>pondering what was coming, shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering
>what I would like to replace the Nikon with in a digital camera. This
>is that camera.
>
>enjoy! 
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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Alan C]

It was only 3 weeks ago that Godders spoke about his K 01 with Limited 
lenses.
I simply wondered how a consumer camera would compare with a Ferrari/RR, 
cost & format notwithstanding.


Alan C

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Darren Addy wrote:

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Alan C<c...@lantic.net>  wrote:
Brilliant images, Godders, esp. the wood-grain as someone else has 
already

said. I would be very curious to see how the K-01 compares.


Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to put the Macro-Elmarit-R
60mm f/2.8 on the K-01 for an apples to apples comparision.


Besides, in the price category it would be more fair to compare it to
the 645Z.  Judging by the pictures I've seen, the 645Z takes photos of
pretty women, the Leica of the pavement in parking lots.

:-)



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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Alan C]

Godders, thanks for your treatise. Many things I hadn't even thought of. I'm 
still on a learning curve. My K7 (and even my old K110D) do very well for 
general photography especially in good light if the ISO is 200 or less. By 
ISO 800 the sensors are quite noisy & noise reduction tends to soften the 
images. A lot of my preferred photography involves crops of distant (or 
small) subjects & I know I'm expecting a lot from my modest consumer 
equipment. Since the K7, all the Pentax offerings seem to have much better 
sensors, especially in low light & will allow better H/H performance at 
higher ISO's. I have seen some S/H K 01's at quite low prices but you have 
now ruled it out with long lenses so that's that. Older S/H Hoya K5's 
(suspect?) are also to be had quite cheaply. New K5's, K5ii's, K3's & K3ii's 
are all still available here but rather expensive. Even S/H ones remain 
pricey. The K50 now seems the best bet although the K S2 doesn't cost much 
more. You pays your money & takes your chance!


Alan C

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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi

Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:07 PM
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Hi Alan,

That question got lost, sorry.

I haven't done detail comparisons, but the K-01 sensor is quite good, and 
comports itself well. Both the FA43 and DA21 lenses perform very well on the 
sensor, with lovely drawing qualities, excellent sharpness and contrast, 
etc. The sensor has excellent dynamic range and very good sensitivity, with 
the in-body stabilization it is easy to get very sharp images even at quite 
long exposure times.


The K-01 body … Some thoughts:

- It tends to underexpose by 0.3 to 0.7 stops for raw capture, so I'm always 
dialing in a bit of + EV compensation.
- The menu driven controls are a bit hard to remember what is what, so I 
tend to leave the camera in one setup and work with the raw files.
- Ergonomically, it's a chunky little thing that works well with the 21 and 
43 lenses, with my optical viewfinder accessories. Longer or larger lenses 
wouldn't work as well as there's insufficient body to hold onto for best 
handling.
- I find it somewhat difficult to focus manually with it, for whatever 
reason. So I tend to leave it on AF most of the time, with center spot 
selected because in Face Detect mode where it focuses in a scene is somewhat 
unpredictable. With center spot selected, it's easy to target what I want, 
lock the focus, then frame and capture. The screwdriver AF drive is quite 
noisy, which can distract both photographer and subject.


Overall, the body wins on style, not function; the lenses are excellent; and 
the picture quality is excellent. How do the images compare to what comes 
out of the SL? Well, that's a function of the lens-sensor match (which is 
good), the lens quality (which is excellent), and whether you can get the 
shot despite the body's shortcomings (which depends on the situation). By 
and large, for the kind of casual, fun, no-pressure shooting that I 
envisioned using the K-01 for, what comes out of it is on an equal footing 
with similar focal length lenses on the SL. Some of the lenses I have for 
the SL are a grade upstairs from the FA43 and DA21 on technical qualities, 
but they're all good enough to produce pro-grade image quality and each has 
its unique rendering charm.


I bought the K-01 kit more as a fond remembrance of my Pentaxian days than 
as a serious shooter, but I enjoy carrying and using it now and then; it is 
capable of making excellent photographs. I have to say that the Leica X typ 
113 is a more functional casual shooter for me in the same format, due to 
its faster focusing, quieter operation, simpler controls, and outstanding 
lens quality—and despite that it has only the one lens option. It's also a 
bit lighter, and the shape of the body gives more space for fingers to hold 
and work controls, and the X's manual focusing is outstanding for when AF 
can't lock in what I want.


Neither of these cameras is in the same class as the M-P or SL when it comes 
to responsiveness, speed, and ultimate picture quality; these high end 
beasts simply have much more capability to offer: the larger format nets 
more focus zone control, the lens quality as I mentioned is a grade beyond, 
and their handling permits taking photos that the K-01 and X alike would 
pose barriers to. Both are bigger, heavier, and more to carry—meaning they 
take a larger commitment to get the most out of.


The right equipment for the right situation and intent, that's all. I don't 
drive a Ferrari to go to the grocery store, and I don't take the Toyota 
family car to group meets to swoon over the sound of their engines at full 
chat, or cheer the driver on their negotiation of a difficult corner.


(BTW: doing lens testing with the SL, I made several hundred shots with the 
camera on a tripod. The incredibly soft, competent, "snick-snick" of the 
sh

Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Steve Cottrell]

On 19/11/15, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It pains me to admit it, but I'm with Cotty on this one.

I said what?

Can't remember

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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Larry Colen]

Alan C wrote:

Godders, thanks for your treatise. Many things I hadn't even thought of.
I'm still on a learning curve. My K7 (and even my old K110D) do very
well for general photography especially in good light if the ISO is 200
or less. By ISO 800 the sensors are quite noisy & noise reduction tends
to soften the images. A lot of my preferred photography involves crops
of distant (or small) subjects & I know I'm expecting a lot from my
modest consumer equipment. Since the K7, all the Pentax offerings seem
to have much better sensors, especially in low light & will allow better


There was a huge improvement starting with the Kx. In many ways it 
seemed as if the performance of my K20 was a step back from that of my 
K100, and the K7 was reputed to be no better than the K20.


The Kr addressed most of the major usability issues of the Kx, and if 
you can find an inexpensive one is likely your best sensor performance 
for the price option.  It probably outperforms your K7 at high ISO by a 
couple of stops.



H/H performance at higher ISO's. I have seen some S/H K 01's at quite


S/H ?  Second Hand?


low prices but you have now ruled it out with long lenses so that's
that. Older S/H Hoya K5's (suspect?) are also to be had quite cheaply.
New K5's, K5ii's, K3's & K3ii's are all still available here but rather
expensive. Even S/H ones remain pricey. The K50 now seems the best bet
although the K S2 doesn't cost much more. You pays your money & takes
your chance!


The performance of the K-5 is very impressive, moving from the K7 it 
should leave you gobsmacked. While the K-3 may lag behind the K-5 in 
some benchmarks, my limited experience is that in the final image, with 
the extra pixels to work with, actual sensor performance remains about 
on par, and pretty much everything else is improved.


My limited experience playing with a K-S2 is that it would be 
comfortable for those with exceptionally small hands. My hands are small 
for a guy, and I found that its sharp corners poked me uncomfortably. I 
have never held a K50.


I suspect that your best option might be to organize a South Africa 
photo safari and use the proceeds from that to get one of the people on 
it to bring you some used gear from places where it can be purchased 
affordably.





Alan C


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Larry Colen]

Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 19/11/15, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:


It pains me to admit it, but I'm with Cotty on this one.


I said what?

Can't remember


I suspect that was a braino on Bob's part.  He meant to type Goddy and 
typed Cotty instead.






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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Bob W-PDML]

On 20 Nov 2015, at 02:08, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> On 19/11/15, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> It pains me to admit it, but I'm with Cotty on this one.
>> 
>> I said what?
>> 
>> Can't remember
> 
> I suspect that was a braino on Bob's part.  He meant to type Goddy and typed 
> Cotty instead.
> 

Goddy? Certainly not! I'm pretty sure Cotty said it was the ugliest camera body 
he'd ever seen.

B
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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hi Alan, 

That question got lost, sorry. 

I haven't done detail comparisons, but the K-01 sensor is quite good, and 
comports itself well. Both the FA43 and DA21 lenses perform very well on the 
sensor, with lovely drawing qualities, excellent sharpness and contrast, etc. 
The sensor has excellent dynamic range and very good sensitivity, with the 
in-body stabilization it is easy to get very sharp images even at quite long 
exposure times. 

The K-01 body … Some thoughts:

- It tends to underexpose by 0.3 to 0.7 stops for raw capture, so I'm always 
dialing in a bit of + EV compensation.
- The menu driven controls are a bit hard to remember what is what, so I tend 
to leave the camera in one setup and work with the raw files. 
- Ergonomically, it's a chunky little thing that works well with the 21 and 43 
lenses, with my optical viewfinder accessories. Longer or larger lenses 
wouldn't work as well as there's insufficient body to hold onto for best 
handling. 
- I find it somewhat difficult to focus manually with it, for whatever reason. 
So I tend to leave it on AF most of the time, with center spot selected because 
in Face Detect mode where it focuses in a scene is somewhat unpredictable. With 
center spot selected, it's easy to target what I want, lock the focus, then 
frame and capture. The screwdriver AF drive is quite noisy, which can distract 
both photographer and subject. 

Overall, the body wins on style, not function; the lenses are excellent; and 
the picture quality is excellent. How do the images compare to what comes out 
of the SL? Well, that's a function of the lens-sensor match (which is good), 
the lens quality (which is excellent), and whether you can get the shot despite 
the body's shortcomings (which depends on the situation). By and large, for the 
kind of casual, fun, no-pressure shooting that I envisioned using the K-01 for, 
what comes out of it is on an equal footing with similar focal length lenses on 
the SL. Some of the lenses I have for the SL are a grade upstairs from the FA43 
and DA21 on technical qualities, but they're all good enough to produce 
pro-grade image quality and each has its unique rendering charm. 

I bought the K-01 kit more as a fond remembrance of my Pentaxian days than as a 
serious shooter, but I enjoy carrying and using it now and then; it is capable 
of making excellent photographs. I have to say that the Leica X typ 113 is a 
more functional casual shooter for me in the same format, due to its faster 
focusing, quieter operation, simpler controls, and outstanding lens quality—and 
despite that it has only the one lens option. It's also a bit lighter, and the 
shape of the body gives more space for fingers to hold and work controls, and 
the X's manual focusing is outstanding for when AF can't lock in what I want. 

Neither of these cameras is in the same class as the M-P or SL when it comes to 
responsiveness, speed, and ultimate picture quality; these high end beasts 
simply have much more capability to offer: the larger format nets more focus 
zone control, the lens quality as I mentioned is a grade beyond, and their 
handling permits taking photos that the K-01 and X alike would pose barriers 
to. Both are bigger, heavier, and more to carry—meaning they take a larger 
commitment to get the most out of.

The right equipment for the right situation and intent, that's all. I don't 
drive a Ferrari to go to the grocery store, and I don't take the Toyota family 
car to group meets to swoon over the sound of their engines at full chat, or 
cheer the driver on their negotiation of a difficult corner.

(BTW: doing lens testing with the SL, I made several hundred shots with the 
camera on a tripod. The incredibly soft, competent, "snick-snick" of the 
shutter does nearly get a camera gearhead like me swooning after a hundred 
clicks or so. ;-)

G


> On Nov 19, 2015, at 1:10 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> 
> It was only 3 weeks ago that Godders spoke about his K 01 with Limited lenses.
> I simply wondered how a consumer camera would compare with a Ferrari/RR, cost 
> & format notwithstanding.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: Larry Colen
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 7:45 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG
> 
> 
> 
> Darren Addy wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Alan C<c...@lantic.net>  wrote:
>>> Brilliant images, Godders, esp. the wood-grain as someone else has already
>>> said. I would be very curious to see how the K-01 compares.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to put the Macro-Elmarit-R
>> 60mm f/2.8 on the K-01 for an apples to apples comparision.
> 
> Besides, in the price category it would be more fair to compare it to
> the 645Z.  Judging by the pictures I've seen, the 645Z takes photos of
> pretty wo

RE: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Bob W]

> Overall, the body wins on style, not function;

It pains me to admit it, but I'm with Cotty on this one.

B

> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey
> DiGiorgi
> Sent: Thursday, 19 November, 2015 2:07 PM
> To: PDML List <pdml@pdml.net>
> Subject: Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> That question got lost, sorry.
> 
> I haven't done detail comparisons, but the K-01 sensor is quite good, and
> comports itself well. Both the FA43 and DA21 lenses perform very well on the
> sensor, with lovely drawing qualities, excellent sharpness and contrast, etc.
> The sensor has excellent dynamic range and very good sensitivity, with the
> in-body stabilization it is easy to get very sharp images even at quite long
> exposure times.
> 
> The K-01 body … Some thoughts:
> 
> - It tends to underexpose by 0.3 to 0.7 stops for raw capture, so I'm always
> dialing in a bit of + EV compensation.
> - The menu driven controls are a bit hard to remember what is what, so I
> tend to leave the camera in one setup and work with the raw files.
> - Ergonomically, it's a chunky little thing that works well with the 21 and 43
> lenses, with my optical viewfinder accessories. Longer or larger lenses
> wouldn't work as well as there's insufficient body to hold onto for best
> handling.
> - I find it somewhat difficult to focus manually with it, for whatever reason.
> So I tend to leave it on AF most of the time, with center spot selected
> because in Face Detect mode where it focuses in a scene is somewhat
> unpredictable. With center spot selected, it's easy to target what I want, 
> lock
> the focus, then frame and capture. The screwdriver AF drive is quite noisy,
> which can distract both photographer and subject.
> 
> Overall, the body wins on style, not function; the lenses are excellent; and
> the picture quality is excellent. How do the images compare to what comes
> out of the SL? Well, that's a function of the lens-sensor match (which is
> good), the lens quality (which is excellent), and whether you can get the shot
> despite the body's shortcomings (which depends on the situation). By and
> large, for the kind of casual, fun, no-pressure shooting that I envisioned 
> using
> the K-01 for, what comes out of it is on an equal footing with similar focal
> length lenses on the SL. Some of the lenses I have for the SL are a grade
> upstairs from the FA43 and DA21 on technical qualities, but they're all good
> enough to produce pro-grade image quality and each has its unique
> rendering charm.
> 
> I bought the K-01 kit more as a fond remembrance of my Pentaxian days
> than as a serious shooter, but I enjoy carrying and using it now and then; it 
> is
> capable of making excellent photographs. I have to say that the Leica X typ
> 113 is a more functional casual shooter for me in the same format, due to its
> faster focusing, quieter operation, simpler controls, and outstanding lens
> quality—and despite that it has only the one lens option. It's also a bit 
> lighter,
> and the shape of the body gives more space for fingers to hold and work
> controls, and the X's manual focusing is outstanding for when AF can't lock in
> what I want.
> 
> Neither of these cameras is in the same class as the M-P or SL when it comes
> to responsiveness, speed, and ultimate picture quality; these high end
> beasts simply have much more capability to offer: the larger format nets
> more focus zone control, the lens quality as I mentioned is a grade beyond,
> and their handling permits taking photos that the K-01 and X alike would pose
> barriers to. Both are bigger, heavier, and more to carry—meaning they take a
> larger commitment to get the most out of.
> 
> The right equipment for the right situation and intent, that's all. I don't 
> drive a
> Ferrari to go to the grocery store, and I don't take the Toyota family car to
> group meets to swoon over the sound of their engines at full chat, or cheer
> the driver on their negotiation of a difficult corner.
> 
> (BTW: doing lens testing with the SL, I made several hundred shots with the
> camera on a tripod. The incredibly soft, competent, "snick-snick" of the
> shutter does nearly get a camera gearhead like me swooning after a hundred
> clicks or so. ;-)
> 
> G


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Darren Addy]

Why no full size, high res images available for examination? A million
cameras can produce a good 1300x867 jpeg. This seems odd to me.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
 wrote:
> I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived 
> at the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house 
> and go pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge amount 
> of effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on introduction day—I 
> felt I owed it to them to pick it up promptly.
>
> It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. :-|
>
> When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
> I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon.
>
> This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera while 
> I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there now:
>
>https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz
>
> I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about 
> it answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by 
> point … and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what 
> was coming, shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to 
> replace the Nikon with in a digital camera. This is that camera.
>
> enjoy!
> G
>
>   The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.
>
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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Larry Colen]

Darren Addy wrote:

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Brilliant images, Godders, esp. the wood-grain as someone else has already
said. I would be very curious to see how the K-01 compares.


Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to put the Macro-Elmarit-R
60mm f/2.8 on the K-01 for an apples to apples comparision.


Besides, in the price category it would be more fair to compare it to 
the 645Z.  Judging by the pictures I've seen, the 645Z takes photos of 
pretty women, the Leica of the pavement in parking lots.


:-)



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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[ann sanfedele]

Hope you are feeling even better soon! Glad you got out,but my favorite 
of these 8 is the first one, your glasses setting on whatever..

whichI gather you took at home...

ann



On 11/18/2015 3:13 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived at 
the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house and go 
pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge amount of 
effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on introduction day—I felt 
I owed it to them to pick it up promptly.

It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. :-|

When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon.

This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera while I 
learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there now:

https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz

I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about it answers 
my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by point … and then 
some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what was coming, shooting with my 
Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to replace the Nikon with in a digital 
camera. This is that camera.

enjoy!
G

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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Darren Addy]

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> Brilliant images, Godders, esp. the wood-grain as someone else has already
> said. I would be very curious to see how the K-01 compares.

Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to put the Macro-Elmarit-R
60mm f/2.8 on the K-01 for an apples to apples comparision.

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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Alan C]

Brilliant images, Godders, esp. the wood-grain as someone else has already 
said. I would be very curious to see how the K-01 compares.


Alan C

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Subject: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived 
at the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house 
and go pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge 
amount of effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on 
introduction day—I felt I owed it to them to pick it up promptly.


It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. 
:-|


When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon.

This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera 
while I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there 
now:


  https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz

I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about 
it answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by 
point … and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what 
was coming, shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to 
replace the Nikon with in a digital camera. This is that camera.


enjoy!
G

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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Nov 18, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> Darren Addy wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>>> Brilliant images, Godders, esp. the wood-grain as someone else has already
>>> said. I would be very curious to see how the K-01 compares.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to put the Macro-Elmarit-R
>> 60mm f/2.8 on the K-01 for an apples to apples comparison.

It is possible but not easy. Leica R lens mount is 49mm diameter on a 47mm 
mount register; Pentax K bayonet is 47mm diameter on a ~45mm mount register. 
There's too much mechanical interference to build an adapter for that small 
gap, but you can get a Leitax replacement lens mount flange for Leica R lenses 
that will fit them onto Pentax K mount bodies. Not that I'm ever going to do 
that… 

> Besides, in the price category it would be more fair to compare it to the 
> 645Z.  … 

"If you measure everything by price, the world loses a lot of value." 

But about comparing the Leica SL to the Pentax 645Z… As pieces of equipment, 
they're not directly comparable because they are two different formats, two 
different target use domains, etc. The 645Z is a bigger, heavier, slower 
operating camera; it's more directly comparable to the Leica S series 
medium-format digital cameras. I haven't worked with either so I won't 
speculate on how they differ in function, in use, and in their performance. 

I can compare the Leica SL system against a Pentax 645Z system on price: 
Summary, buying a 645Z would have cost me more. The 645Z body is about $7000, 
$500 less than the Leica SL body, but I no longer have any Pentax 645 lenses. A 
full complement of Pentax 645 lenses, comparable to the lens range that I can 
use on the SL, would have cost well over $10,000. Never mind other necessary 
accessories. 

The Leica SL body is $7450. I already had a dozen top-notch Leica R lenses 
(from 19mm to 250mm, plus a doubler) and another half-dozen Leica M lenses to 
use with it. I already had the Leica mount adapters. All of my Leica R and 
Leica M lenses will work beautifully on the SL; I've tested them already and 
know this to be true. I got all the R lenses very inexpensively because the R 
series was discontinued by Leica about six years ago, I paid an average of $450 
per lens ($5400). Consider that in 1998, when I considered buying into a Leica 
R8 system new, just four of these lenses would have cost me about $14,000. BTW: 
The resale value of the lenses I have has doubled since I bought them since the 
announcement of the Leica SL… Yes, I'm smiling. 

(Of course, Leica SL series dedicated lenses will work on this body beautifully 
too, providing AF, OIS, etc. My purchase included the Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-90mm 
f/2.8-4 ASPH OIS, which cost $4750. Testing against the M and R primes in this 
same FL range proves it to be a *stunning* performer, competing head for head 
on performance. But it's a big heavy lens that I'll likely use only when its 
capabilities are called for. As you should know well by now, I prefer smaller, 
lighter prime lenses for most of my shooting; AF is nice convenience that is 
otherwise of little real consequence to me.)

So … In the end, this equipment, or toy as you like to call it, was the right 
choice for what I have in mind for my photography. I don't care what it cost 
and what it's compared to; I've been planning and saving to buy it for a long 
long time. It meets my fifteen year old brief for what I wanted in a digital 
camera to the letter, and goes beyond it. So far, the performance I'm seeing 
from it is nothing short of phenomenal. That's what is important to me. 

Onwards! Enough words … I think I'm going to pack the SL with Elmarit-R 19mm 
and Elmar-M 24mm into my bag and take another walk around the block.. Maybe 
I'll even bring a tripod. :-)

G
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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Personally, I've never really seen the point to providing "full size, high rez 
images … for examination" unless I was discussing a particular point of 
interest and needed to illustrate it with a full resolution photo, and then 
it's usually only a 1:1 pixel resolution clip that's needed. But, to satisfy 
your curiosity, here are three of the gallery photos as original size, 
6000x4000 pixel JPEGs, rendered from the TIFF originals and compressed at the 
LR6.3 70% quality level to save a little upload/download time and space. 
They're about 6 to 7 Megabytes in size, each. 

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/585/22702197767_161675395e_o.jpg
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/649/23132198071_49654f5b17_o.jpg
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/607/23120759675_f581bc0c6c_o.jpg

Viewed @ 1:1 on my Apple Thunderbolt Display 27" at its maximum resolution, 
they're about 4x the size of the available screen area. Hmm, I wonder how they 
would look on an iMac with 5K display? Well, I have an errand to run over near 
the local Apple Store … :-)

G

> On Nov 18, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> Why no full size, high res images available for examination? A million
> cameras can produce a good 1300x867 jpeg. This seems odd to me.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
>  wrote:
> 
>> This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera 
>> while I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there 
>> now:
>> 
>>   https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Larry Colen]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


So … In the end, this equipment, or toy as you like to call it, was the right 
choice for what I have in mind for my photography. I don't care what it cost 
and what it's compared to; I've been planning and saving to buy it for a long 
long time. It meets my fifteen year old brief for what I wanted in a digital 
camera to the letter, and goes beyond it. So far, the performance I'm seeing 
from it is nothing short of phenomenal. That's what is important to me.


Which, in the end all that matters is what is the right camera for you. 
For me, debating the Leica SL vs the M, I might as well debate Ferrari 
vs. Ford GT (buy interesting coincidence the only person I know who owns 
a Ford GT is named Godfrey), the chance of my owning any of them is 
vanishingly remote.




Onwards! Enough words … I think I'm going to pack the SL with Elmarit-R 19mm 
and Elmar-M 24mm into my bag and take another walk around the block.. Maybe 
I'll even bring a tripod. :-)

G


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Jack Davis]

Your head cold and excitement are
reflected in your prose, Godfrey.
Enjoy!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2015, at 12:27 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> Lovely looking shots - the quality look terrific.
> 
> B
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 08:15, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived 
>> at the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house 
>> and go pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge 
>> amount of effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on 
>> introduction day—I felt I owed it to them to pick it up promptly. 
>> 
>> It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. 
>> :-|
>> 
>> When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
>> I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon. 
>> 
>> This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera 
>> while I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there 
>> now: 
>> 
>>  https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz
>> 
>> I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about 
>> it answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by 
>> point … and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what 
>> was coming, shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to 
>> replace the Nikon with in a digital camera. This is that camera.
>> 
>> enjoy! 
>> G
>> 
>> The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.
>> 
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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Bob W-PDML]

Lovely looking shots - the quality look terrific.

B

> On 18 Nov 2015, at 08:15, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived 
> at the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house 
> and go pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge amount 
> of effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on introduction day—I 
> felt I owed it to them to pick it up promptly. 
> 
> It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. :-|
> 
> When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
> I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon. 
> 
> This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera while 
> I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there now: 
> 
>   https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz
> 
> I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about 
> it answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by 
> point … and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what 
> was coming, shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to 
> replace the Nikon with in a digital camera. This is that camera.
> 
> enjoy! 
> G
> 
>  The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.
> 
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GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived at 
the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house and go 
pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge amount of 
effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on introduction day—I felt 
I owed it to them to pick it up promptly. 

It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. :-|

When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon. 

This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera while I 
learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there now: 

   https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz

I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about it 
answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by point … 
and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what was coming, 
shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to replace the 
Nikon with in a digital camera. This is that camera.

enjoy! 
G

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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Steve Cottrell]

On 18/11/15, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera
>while I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are
>there now: 
>
>   https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz
>
>I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything
>about it answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera",
>point by point ... and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was
>pondering what was coming, shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering
>what I would like to replace the Nikon with in a digital camera. This is
>that camera.

Nice gallery - you can tell the quality level is stratospheric.

But it is the single most hideous looking camera I have ever seen, and
(as you know) I only ever buy cameras that look cool but bugger all else ;-)


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Bruce Walker]

That bark image is sumptuous. Love the textured warmth.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
 wrote:
> I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived 
> at the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house 
> and go pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge amount 
> of effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on introduction day—I 
> felt I owed it to them to pick it up promptly.
>
> It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. :-|
>
> When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
> I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon.
>
> This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera while 
> I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there now:
>
>https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz
>
> I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about 
> it answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by 
> point … and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what 
> was coming, shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to 
> replace the Nikon with in a digital camera. This is that camera.
>
> enjoy!
> G
>
>   The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.
>
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