Re: How to see all exif data in lightroom?
Thanks a bunch, that was the one I was trying to find, but couldn't remember the name. It didn't do what I wanted with regards to exif data, but it pointed me to this plug-in https://johnrellis.com/lightroom/anyfilter.htm which Jeff recommended as being more powerful than his. In the process it pointed me to Exiftool https://exiftool.org/index.html Which I ended up using, and found out that Pentax does not record which version of astrotracer was used on the image. So, I'll need to actually record time and frame numbers at some time comparing the different versions. BTW, more of John Ellis' plug-ins here https://johnrellis.com/lightroom/allplugins.htm > On Sep 8, 2024, at 6:31 PM, Bill wrote: > > The only plug in that I recall seeing is this one: > > https://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/metadata-viewer#:~:text=This%20plugin%20for%20Adobe%20Lightroom,is%20perhaps%20at%20times%20useful. > > Lightroom is actually pretty weak on what it is willing to give up to it's > user regarding metadata. > > bill > > On 9/8/2024 4:46 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> Last week I was experimenting with the different astrotracer modes on my >> cameras. I expect that the mode is recorded in the exif data. I know that >> there are programs that will print out all of the exif data based on the >> file, but it would be very handy to sort the photos, in lightroom, based on >> this. >> >> Can anyone point me to a solution? >> >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How to see all exif data in lightroom?
The only plug in that I recall seeing is this one: https://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/metadata-viewer#:~:text=This%20plugin%20for%20Adobe%20Lightroom,is%20perhaps%20at%20times%20useful. Lightroom is actually pretty weak on what it is willing to give up to it's user regarding metadata. bill On 9/8/2024 4:46 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Last week I was experimenting with the different astrotracer modes on my cameras. I expect that the mode is recorded in the exif data. I know that there are programs that will print out all of the exif data based on the file, but it would be very handy to sort the photos, in lightroom, based on this. Can anyone point me to a solution? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
How to see all exif data in lightroom?
Last week I was experimenting with the different astrotracer modes on my cameras. I expect that the mode is recorded in the exif data. I know that there are programs that will print out all of the exif data based on the file, but it would be very handy to sort the photos, in lightroom, based on this. Can anyone point me to a solution? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)
Doug, I was wrong. The problem persists. My next wide-open time is Friday, though late afternoon Wednesday or Thursday would work. Rick On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 1:12 PM Rick Womer wrote: > My number is 215-764-2998. Or, I can phone you. > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 11:45 Doug Brewer wrote: > >> Sure. >> >> On 3/4/24 11:30 AM, Rick Womer wrote: >> > How about a phone call about 3? >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 8:10 PM Doug Brewer >> wrote: >> > >> >> I should be free mid afternoon. Fire when ready. >> >> >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)
My number is 215-764-2998. Or, I can phone you. On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 11:45 Doug Brewer wrote: > Sure. > > On 3/4/24 11:30 AM, Rick Womer wrote: > > How about a phone call about 3? > > > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 8:10 PM Doug Brewer > wrote: > > > >> I should be free mid afternoon. Fire when ready. > >> > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)
Sure. On 3/4/24 11:30 AM, Rick Womer wrote: How about a phone call about 3? On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 8:10 PM Doug Brewer wrote: I should be free mid afternoon. Fire when ready. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)
How about a phone call about 3? On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 8:10 PM Doug Brewer wrote: > I should be free mid afternoon. Fire when ready. > > On 3/3/24 6:08 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > > Thanks, Doug. I’d love to “pick your brain”! > > > > Church and a memorial service ate up today. Tomorrow is pretty clear; > > mid-to-late morning or after 2 in the afternoon would be best for me. > > > > > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)
I should be free mid afternoon. Fire when ready. On 3/3/24 6:08 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Thanks, Doug. I’d love to “pick your brain”! Church and a memorial service ate up today. Tomorrow is pretty clear; mid-to-late morning or after 2 in the afternoon would be best for me. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)
Thanks, Doug. I’d love to “pick your brain”! Church and a memorial service ate up today. Tomorrow is pretty clear; mid-to-late morning or after 2 in the afternoon would be best for me. On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 13:20 Doug Brewer wrote: > Rick, I'm home working on some edits. Drop me an email if you like and > I'd be glad to offer what guidance I can. > > On 3/3/24 11:00 AM, Rick Womer wrote: > > I have been using Lightroom since 2005, and it has worked well. There are > > over 50,000 photos in my library. Last week I upgraded the Mac OS to > Sonoma > > 14.1.2, and upgraded LrC to 13.1. > > > > All hell broke loose. Since the upgrades LrC simply doesn't work: > opening a > > library opens only a fraction of the photos it contains, and those cannot > > be edited. When I try to import new photos from an SD card, LrC > re-imports > > existing photos from the catalog along with some of the new ones; and > once > > they're "imported" neither I nor the Finder can't find them. > > > > I removed LrC 13.1 and re-installed it, but the problem persists. Disk > > Utility finds no problems, and my other apps are running without > problems. > > > > Advice that leads to restoring a usable LrC will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Rick > > -- > > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)
Rick, I'm home working on some edits. Drop me an email if you like and I'd be glad to offer what guidance I can. On 3/3/24 11:00 AM, Rick Womer wrote: I have been using Lightroom since 2005, and it has worked well. There are over 50,000 photos in my library. Last week I upgraded the Mac OS to Sonoma 14.1.2, and upgraded LrC to 13.1. All hell broke loose. Since the upgrades LrC simply doesn't work: opening a library opens only a fraction of the photos it contains, and those cannot be edited. When I try to import new photos from an SD card, LrC re-imports existing photos from the catalog along with some of the new ones; and once they're "imported" neither I nor the Finder can't find them. I removed LrC 13.1 and re-installed it, but the problem persists. Disk Utility finds no problems, and my other apps are running without problems. Advice that leads to restoring a usable LrC will be greatly appreciated. Rick -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)
I have been using Lightroom since 2005, and it has worked well. There are over 50,000 photos in my library. Last week I upgraded the Mac OS to Sonoma 14.1.2, and upgraded LrC to 13.1. All hell broke loose. Since the upgrades LrC simply doesn't work: opening a library opens only a fraction of the photos it contains, and those cannot be edited. When I try to import new photos from an SD card, LrC re-imports existing photos from the catalog along with some of the new ones; and once they're "imported" neither I nor the Finder can't find them. I removed LrC 13.1 and re-installed it, but the problem persists. Disk Utility finds no problems, and my other apps are running without problems. Advice that leads to restoring a usable LrC will be greatly appreciated. Rick -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another lightroom redo
> On Feb 17, 2024, at 5:08 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: > > Either the middle or bottom image works for me, although of the two I'd > prefer the bottom. Either of the two has a more defined horizon and I prefer > the more defined trees (?) in the lower right of the bottom image as compared > to the less defined in the middle image. -p Thanks, the bottom one was my final go at it. I thought the first one was it, then saw some things to fix, and after a while saw a few more things and did the third.It's getting to the point that my computer is really starting to bog down, so I ought to call it done, at least until I get a faster machine :-) > > On 2/17/2024 3:19 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> Flickr is being a PITA, so I posted my last rework to google photos >> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/2Xmnhva9QoBupGf58 >> >> Previous attempts are here: >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720314781277 >> >> Thoughts? Feelings? Suggestions? >> >> >> >> > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another lightroom redo
Either the middle or bottom image works for me, although of the two I'd prefer the bottom. Either of the two has a more defined horizon and I prefer the more defined trees (?) in the lower right of the bottom image as compared to the less defined in the middle image. -p On 2/17/2024 3:19 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Flickr is being a PITA, so I posted my last rework to google photos https://photos.app.goo.gl/2Xmnhva9QoBupGf58 Previous attempts are here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720314781277 Thoughts? Feelings? Suggestions? -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another lightroom redo
Flickr is being a PITA, so I posted my last rework to google photos https://photos.app.goo.gl/2Xmnhva9QoBupGf58 Previous attempts are here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720314781277 Thoughts? Feelings? Suggestions? > On Feb 16, 2024, at 11:46 PM, mike wilson wrote: > > I don't disagree with the overspiced evaluation but the other doesn't even > have salt and pepper. Definitely more on the foreground but not so much as > the before image, which does seem to have an artefact at the junction of land > and sky. The sky is possibly better in the new version (in that it is more > realistic - I don't know, as I was not there) but that is arguably a matter > of taste. >> On 16/02/2024 18:00 GMT Larry Colen w rote: >> >> >> Interesting. Thank you people. I had felt that in general the first >> version was a bit "over spiced". I'm trying to find the right balance >> between making the image pop, and overdoing it. If you look at other photos >> in the collection, there is a lot of light pollution close to the horizon, >> and when saturation and vibrance are dialed up a lot of swatches of green >> and magenta noise in the sky in general. >> >> The new version of lightroom does make it easier for me to duplicate and >> modify masks, so when I get a chance, I can try a version with more >> saturation, contrast and clarity in the milky way. >> >> Is there consensus that I should also bring up the exposure on the >> foreground? I did create a mask for the snow on mount Shasta, which I had >> dialed down a bit from the previous print. >> >>Larry >> >> >>> On Feb 16, 2024, at 9:09 AM, Paul Sorenson >>> wrote: >>> >>> I'd have to agree with Mike - the 889-pano is more pleasing to me than >>> NR-HDR-Pano. The milky way is better rendered and being able to better see >>> the horizon and landscape add to be overall image. >>> >>> -p >>> >>> >>> 89888-Enhanced-NR-HDR-Pano >>> >>> On 2/16/2024 2:28 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >>>> I decided to have a go at another one of my photos, trying to take >>>> advantage of new features in lightroom. It is an HDR panorama (at 15 and >>>> 20 seconds). For the new version I did a lightroom noise reduction of >>>> each of the frames before doing an HDR pano stitch. >>>> >>>> I believe this is my previous version that I used for printing: >>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30524911188/in/album-72177720314781277/ >>>> >>>> This one is my current "best try": >>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53532544424/in/album-72177720314781277/ >>>> I've learned a fair bit about using masks in the process. >>>> >>>> All of my processing attempts over the years are in this album: >>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720314781277/with/42907311702 >>>> >>>> I would appreciate people's thoughts about what improvements the >>>> processing might need. Is there anything about any of the older attempts >>>> that worked better? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Larry >>>> -- >>>> Larry Colen >>>> l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> To unsubscribe send an email topdml-le...@pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>> -- >>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est >> >> >> >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another lightroom redo
I don't disagree with the overspiced evaluation but the other doesn't even have salt and pepper. Definitely more on the foreground but not so much as the before image, which does seem to have an artefact at the junction of land and sky. The sky is possibly better in the new version (in that it is more realistic - I don't know, as I was not there) but that is arguably a matter of taste. > On 16/02/2024 18:00 GMT Larry Colen w rote: > > > Interesting. Thank you people. I had felt that in general the first version > was a bit "over spiced". I'm trying to find the right balance between making > the image pop, and overdoing it. If you look at other photos in the > collection, there is a lot of light pollution close to the horizon, and when > saturation and vibrance are dialed up a lot of swatches of green and magenta > noise in the sky in general. > > The new version of lightroom does make it easier for me to duplicate and > modify masks, so when I get a chance, I can try a version with more > saturation, contrast and clarity in the milky way. > > Is there consensus that I should also bring up the exposure on the > foreground? I did create a mask for the snow on mount Shasta, which I had > dialed down a bit from the previous print. > > Larry > > > > On Feb 16, 2024, at 9:09 AM, Paul Sorenson > > wrote: > > > > I'd have to agree with Mike - the 889-pano is more pleasing to me than > > NR-HDR-Pano. The milky way is better rendered and being able to better see > > the horizon and landscape add to be overall image. > > > > -p > > > > > > 89888-Enhanced-NR-HDR-Pano > > > > On 2/16/2024 2:28 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > >> I decided to have a go at another one of my photos, trying to take > >> advantage of new features in lightroom. It is an HDR panorama (at 15 and > >> 20 seconds). For the new version I did a lightroom noise reduction of > >> each of the frames before doing an HDR pano stitch. > >> > >> I believe this is my previous version that I used for printing: > >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30524911188/in/album-72177720314781277/ > >> > >> This one is my current "best try": > >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53532544424/in/album-72177720314781277/ > >> I've learned a fair bit about using masks in the process. > >> > >> All of my processing attempts over the years are in this album: > >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720314781277/with/42907311702 > >> > >> I would appreciate people's thoughts about what improvements the > >> processing might need. Is there anything about any of the older attempts > >> that worked better? > >> > >> Thanks, > >>Larry > >> -- > >> Larry Colen > >> l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood > >> > >> > >> -- > >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> To unsubscribe send an email topdml-le...@pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >> follow the directions. > >> > > -- > > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est > > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another lightroom redo
> On Feb 16, 2024, at 10:15 AM, Alan C wrote: > > I couldn't see flying saucers on any of them! No flying saucers that I know of, just Andromeda and Mars. > > Alan C > > On 16-Feb-24 08:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> Interesting. Thank you people. I had felt that in general the first >> version was a bit "over spiced". I'm trying to find the right balance >> between making the image pop, and overdoing it. If you look at other photos >> in the collection, there is a lot of light pollution close to the horizon, >> and when saturation and vibrance are dialed up a lot of swatches of green >> and magenta noise in the sky in general. >> >> The new version of lightroom does make it easier for me to duplicate and >> modify masks, so when I get a chance, I can try a version with more >> saturation, contrast and clarity in the milky way. >> >> Is there consensus that I should also bring up the exposure on the >> foreground? I did create a mask for the snow on mount Shasta, which I had >> dialed down a bit from the previous print. >> >> Larry >> >> >>> On Feb 16, 2024, at 9:09 AM, Paul Sorenson >>> wrote: >>> >>> I'd have to agree with Mike - the 889-pano is more pleasing to me than >>> NR-HDR-Pano. The milky way is better rendered and being able to better see >>> the horizon and landscape add to be overall image. >>> >>> -p >>> >>> >>> 89888-Enhanced-NR-HDR-Pano >>> >>> On 2/16/2024 2:28 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >>>> I decided to have a go at another one of my photos, trying to take >>>> advantage of new features in lightroom. It is an HDR panorama (at 15 and >>>> 20 seconds). For the new version I did a lightroom noise reduction of >>>> each of the frames before doing an HDR pano stitch. >>>> >>>> I believe this is my previous version that I used for printing: >>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30524911188/in/album-72177720314781277/ >>>> >>>> This one is my current "best try": >>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53532544424/in/album-72177720314781277/ >>>> I've learned a fair bit about using masks in the process. >>>> >>>> All of my processing attempts over the years are in this album: >>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720314781277/with/42907311702 >>>> >>>> I would appreciate people's thoughts about what improvements the >>>> processing might need. Is there anything about any of the older attempts >>>> that worked better? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>>Larry >>>> -- >>>> Larry Colen >>>> l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> To unsubscribe send an email topdml-le...@pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>> -- >>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est >> >> >> >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another lightroom redo
I couldn't see flying saucers on any of them! Alan C On 16-Feb-24 08:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Interesting. Thank you people. I had felt that in general the first version was a bit "over spiced". I'm trying to find the right balance between making the image pop, and overdoing it. If you look at other photos in the collection, there is a lot of light pollution close to the horizon, and when saturation and vibrance are dialed up a lot of swatches of green and magenta noise in the sky in general. The new version of lightroom does make it easier for me to duplicate and modify masks, so when I get a chance, I can try a version with more saturation, contrast and clarity in the milky way. Is there consensus that I should also bring up the exposure on the foreground? I did create a mask for the snow on mount Shasta, which I had dialed down a bit from the previous print. Larry On Feb 16, 2024, at 9:09 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: I'd have to agree with Mike - the 889-pano is more pleasing to me than NR-HDR-Pano. The milky way is better rendered and being able to better see the horizon and landscape add to be overall image. -p 89888-Enhanced-NR-HDR-Pano On 2/16/2024 2:28 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I decided to have a go at another one of my photos, trying to take advantage of new features in lightroom. It is an HDR panorama (at 15 and 20 seconds). For the new version I did a lightroom noise reduction of each of the frames before doing an HDR pano stitch. I believe this is my previous version that I used for printing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30524911188/in/album-72177720314781277/ This one is my current "best try": https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53532544424/in/album-72177720314781277/ I've learned a fair bit about using masks in the process. All of my processing attempts over the years are in this album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720314781277/with/42907311702 I would appreciate people's thoughts about what improvements the processing might need. Is there anything about any of the older attempts that worked better? Thanks, Larry -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email topdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another lightroom redo
Interesting. Thank you people. I had felt that in general the first version was a bit "over spiced". I'm trying to find the right balance between making the image pop, and overdoing it. If you look at other photos in the collection, there is a lot of light pollution close to the horizon, and when saturation and vibrance are dialed up a lot of swatches of green and magenta noise in the sky in general. The new version of lightroom does make it easier for me to duplicate and modify masks, so when I get a chance, I can try a version with more saturation, contrast and clarity in the milky way. Is there consensus that I should also bring up the exposure on the foreground? I did create a mask for the snow on mount Shasta, which I had dialed down a bit from the previous print. Larry > On Feb 16, 2024, at 9:09 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: > > I'd have to agree with Mike - the 889-pano is more pleasing to me than > NR-HDR-Pano. The milky way is better rendered and being able to better see > the horizon and landscape add to be overall image. > > -p > > > 89888-Enhanced-NR-HDR-Pano > > On 2/16/2024 2:28 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> I decided to have a go at another one of my photos, trying to take advantage >> of new features in lightroom. It is an HDR panorama (at 15 and 20 seconds). >> For the new version I did a lightroom noise reduction of each of the frames >> before doing an HDR pano stitch. >> >> I believe this is my previous version that I used for printing: >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30524911188/in/album-72177720314781277/ >> >> This one is my current "best try": >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53532544424/in/album-72177720314781277/ >> I've learned a fair bit about using masks in the process. >> >> All of my processing attempts over the years are in this album: >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720314781277/with/42907311702 >> >> I would appreciate people's thoughts about what improvements the processing >> might need. Is there anything about any of the older attempts that worked >> better? >> >> Thanks, >>Larry >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood >> >> >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email topdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another lightroom redo
I'd have to agree with Mike - the 889-pano is more pleasing to me than NR-HDR-Pano. The milky way is better rendered and being able to better see the horizon and landscape add to be overall image. -p 89888-Enhanced-NR-HDR-Pano On 2/16/2024 2:28 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I decided to have a go at another one of my photos, trying to take advantage of new features in lightroom. It is an HDR panorama (at 15 and 20 seconds). For the new version I did a lightroom noise reduction of each of the frames before doing an HDR pano stitch. I believe this is my previous version that I used for printing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30524911188/in/album-72177720314781277/ This one is my current "best try": https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53532544424/in/album-72177720314781277/ I've learned a fair bit about using masks in the process. All of my processing attempts over the years are in this album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720314781277/with/42907311702 I would appreciate people's thoughts about what improvements the processing might need. Is there anything about any of the older attempts that worked better? Thanks, Larry -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email topdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another lightroom redo
Are you sure you got those the right way round? For me, the previous attempt is head and shoulders better than the present version. > On 16/02/2024 08:28 GMT Larry Colen wrote: > > > I decided to have a go at another one of my photos, trying to take advantage > of new features in lightroom. It is an HDR panorama (at 15 and 20 seconds). > For the new version I did a lightroom noise reduction of each of the frames > before doing an HDR pano stitch. > > I believe this is my previous version that I used for printing: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30524911188/in/album-72177720314781277/ > > This one is my current "best try": > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53532544424/in/album-72177720314781277/ > I've learned a fair bit about using masks in the process. > > All of my processing attempts over the years are in this album: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720314781277/with/42907311702 > > I would appreciate people's thoughts about what improvements the processing > might need. Is there anything about any of the older attempts that worked > better? -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Another lightroom redo
I decided to have a go at another one of my photos, trying to take advantage of new features in lightroom. It is an HDR panorama (at 15 and 20 seconds). For the new version I did a lightroom noise reduction of each of the frames before doing an HDR pano stitch. I believe this is my previous version that I used for printing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30524911188/in/album-72177720314781277/ This one is my current "best try": https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53532544424/in/album-72177720314781277/ I've learned a fair bit about using masks in the process. All of my processing attempts over the years are in this album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720314781277/with/42907311702 I would appreciate people's thoughts about what improvements the processing might need. Is there anything about any of the older attempts that worked better? Thanks, Larry -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom Classic 13.1 trouble
I wouldn't recommend it. But, if you're determined, and you have a recent Time Machine or Windows equivalent save from before you upgraded, you might be able to revert to that. I'd caution against it, though. Too many potential consequences, and to be fair, it would likely take less time to adjust to whatever you don't like about 13.1 than it would to reinstall the earlier stuff. Gotta admit to a morbid sense of curiosity regarding why 13.1 is UGH. On 2/12/24 8:50 PM, Rick Womer wrote: For some reason, I updated Lightroom Classic to the latest version. Ugh. I have a lot to do for a photo class tomorrow, so details will have to wait, but: Can I delete 13.1 and reinstall its predecessor without unleashing cyber-havoc? Rick -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom Classic 13.1 trouble
13.1 works OK for me so I wonder why you should back. I have no idea whether your catalogues will be converted going back to an earlier version. Henk Op 2024-02-13 om 02:50 schreef Rick Womer: For some reason, I updated Lightroom Classic to the latest version. Ugh. I have a lot to do for a photo class tomorrow, so details will have to wait, but: Can I delete 13.1 and reinstall its predecessor without unleashing cyber-havoc? Rick -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Lightroom Classic 13.1 trouble
For some reason, I updated Lightroom Classic to the latest version. Ugh. I have a lot to do for a photo class tomorrow, so details will have to wait, but: Can I delete 13.1 and reinstall its predecessor without unleashing cyber-havoc? Rick -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom troubles are an unsupported GPU
> On Feb 9, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: > > Yeah I finally had to bite the bullet and replace my cheesegrater Mac Pro > when I could no longer keep it current enough to handle the OS updates. Don't > recall having the artifact issue, though. If by "cheesegrater" you mean a 5,1 rather than the current mac pros, they stopped working with Lightroom long before this problem cropped up (lightroom 12 seems to be the start of it). I was able to get mine to limp along for a few extra years, but eventually it just got to be too much. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom troubles are an unsupported GPU
Yeah I finally had to bite the bullet and replace my cheesegrater Mac Pro when I could no longer keep it current enough to handle the OS updates. Don't recall having the artifact issue, though. On 2/5/24 2:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote: https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-colored-quot-pixel-quot-artifacts-subdued-blacks-in-shadow-areas-older-macs-also-visible-on-cr/m-p/14401612/page/15#M355481 It turns out that the GPU in my trashcan mac is no longer supported, and GPU acceleration causes weird artifacts to happen in develop mode. If anyone else runs into this problem try turning off GPU acceleration. Meanwhile, I guess it's time to start a casual search for a good used Apple Silicon machine. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Lightroom troubles are an unsupported GPU
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-colored-quot-pixel-quot-artifacts-subdued-blacks-in-shadow-areas-older-macs-also-visible-on-cr/m-p/14401612/page/15#M355481 It turns out that the GPU in my trashcan mac is no longer supported, and GPU acceleration causes weird artifacts to happen in develop mode. If anyone else runs into this problem try turning off GPU acceleration. Meanwhile, I guess it's time to start a casual search for a good used Apple Silicon machine. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reprocessing an old file in lightroom
> On 5 Feb 2024, at 06:08, Alan C wrote: > > […] > With AI & Elon Musk's brain implants we may eventually be able to recover > anything we have ever seen directly from our brains!? > That’ll keep the psychiatric industry going for a while. Maybe even longer than Larry’s excellent lighthouse, which should be a compulsory feature in every shrink’s office. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reprocessing an old file in lightroom
Well done with the lighthouse! "I was always frustrated that the poor low light noise of the K20 adversely affected the image quality." I think we all were. Before the Sony sensors from the K5 onwards you couldn't really shoot much above ISO 400. "Anyways, this is one of the reasons that I shoot in raw, because the tools to rescue old files keep getting better." With AI & Elon Musk's brain implants we may eventually be able to recover anything we have ever seen directly from our brains!? Alan C -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reprocessing an old file in lightroom
By the way, the new tools still have some rough edges. I get weird artifacts in develop when processing it, fortunately they go away in loupe mode and final processing > On Feb 4, 2024, at 5:45 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > One of my more popular photos was this one from back in 2009, taken with the > K20 and FA 31 > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4331502051/in/album-72157623355877348/ > > I was always frustrated that the poor low light noise of the K20 adversely > affected the image quality. I just spent some time this afternoon playing > around with it in Lightroom classic 13.1, which has better noise reduction, > and also much better adjustment brushes. > > Here is the reprocessed version > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53509486021/in/album-72177720314566102/ > > I've made a lot of attempts at cleaning it up over the past 15 years: > https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=99496143%40N00&sort=date-taken-desc&text=20090922-lrc32569-&view_all=1 > > Anyways, this is one of the reasons that I shoot in raw, because the tools to > rescue old files keep getting better. > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Reprocessing an old file in lightroom
One of my more popular photos was this one from back in 2009, taken with the K20 and FA 31 https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4331502051/in/album-72157623355877348/ I was always frustrated that the poor low light noise of the K20 adversely affected the image quality. I just spent some time this afternoon playing around with it in Lightroom classic 13.1, which has better noise reduction, and also much better adjustment brushes. Here is the reprocessed version https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53509486021/in/album-72177720314566102/ I've made a lot of attempts at cleaning it up over the past 15 years: https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=99496143%40N00&sort=date-taken-desc&text=20090922-lrc32569-&view_all=1 Anyways, this is one of the reasons that I shoot in raw, because the tools to rescue old files keep getting better. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom, 70 tips in 14 minutes
Good video. Always nice to learn some new tricks with LR. I always put the speed in YT on 0.75 and the subtitles on for such videos as my brain is not fast enough and my English in listening only moderate. Henk Op 2024-01-10 om 06:50 schreef Larry Colen: I generally despise instructional videos, I can never find what I want like I can with text. However, this one is pretty good, he blazes through a bunch of handy things in lightroom without a lot of excess verbiage. I knew a bunch of it, but there were still some good basic things I didn't yet know. https://youtu.be/YvFaOKuefZY?si=ZUXFgWwQqkJQLPXb -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Lightroom, 70 tips in 14 minutes
I generally despise instructional videos, I can never find what I want like I can with text. However, this one is pretty good, he blazes through a bunch of handy things in lightroom without a lot of excess verbiage. I knew a bunch of it, but there were still some good basic things I didn't yet know. https://youtu.be/YvFaOKuefZY?si=ZUXFgWwQqkJQLPXb -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
Only Darkroom here. Load shedding has returned with a vengeance. Alan C -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
I don't think it's odd at all. For whatever solution I've come up with to do almost anything since I've known you, you've come up with a solution which is almost always the exact opposite. LOL! I use LR to work the organization of file on my hard drive for me automatically, and use IPTC information to establish categories, much of it automatically embedded into the metadata on import. If I then need files grouped by category (ie: by customer, or by job, or by project), I can find all the categories I want and move the files into such named directories inside LR efficiently and quickly, retaining the date organization .. or not .. according to my needs. Absolutely all of my original image file manipulations are on external volumes too, without exception. I use ONE working drive as fundamental repository, and two archive drives to secure and back that up ... period. This way I always know where everything in the working set, and the archive sets, is, primarily by date but also by subgroups in the file system as well as by metadata descriptors like keywords, camera type, etc. Constantly renaming and changing parts of the original file storage system externally is most likely why LR does what it does in your case. How you want to manage your workflow is your business, I know many different ways to do it. I do what I do because I find it most useful, outside of LR, to locate things by the dates I remember, not by whatever "category du jour" I dreamed up at the time I imported them. I also arranged this setup so that if I dumped LR tomorrow and moved to another image processing toolset, I could do so without any losses other than my image processing/rendering efforts on unfinished work … the IPTC metadata is readable by almost any good image management software, and I save that into the files every time I do an import. My goal in responding was to explore what MIGHT be the issue that you are running into, not to tell you how to run your workflow. I don't really care about that. G > On Jan 2, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > >> On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >> Hmm. I have, at present, three physical volumes comprising the media that LR >> Classic 13.1 has imported original files from in that list in the Folders >> panel. They never change place on the Folders panel. > > Oddly, you and I seem to have different workflows. I import files into my > "photos_fresh" directory on my SSD. I then organize them into topical > subdirectories when processing. You aren't interested in the full directory > tree methodology, but this way if Lightroom ever goes away, I have a nice > logical way of finding things in whatever I use next. > > Once I have finished processing, or at least sorting, the files they get > copied onto long term storage, an external case with my entire catalog on a > couple of drives. And every so often, I do a "catchup", where I "export to > catalog" all of the files I have edited since my last catchup, and then > import those changes to my "everything" catalog. > > Since I mostly only use the external drives when I'm archiving files, or > occasionally reworking old files, I don't usually even have it plugged in or > connected to the trashcan, protecting it from anything that might go wrong > with the computer. > >> >> The reason for this is probably because, when I set them up, I drilled down >> through the directory hierarchy on the volumes to the root of the photo >> storage directory trees and then told LR to "Hide Parent Directory" on all >> folder hierarchies above (or below, per your perspective) that point. So I >> don't see, in LR, all the other directories on the volumes; only the entire >> directory of original image files starting at its local root. Any other >> directory/file manipulations on these volumes is therefore invisible to LR >> Classic, and cannot reorder the placement of the volumes in the Folders >> listing. There's no need to see the entire directory tree structure of the >> import volumes, only the directory trees from which you have imported files, >> which should always have a single root.. that's my logic behind setting it >> up this way. > > Hmm, interesting, it is convenient for me to know where certain directory > trees are. Some years are on one of the external drives, other years on the > other. There are other branches as well. I suppose that I could add some > meaningless directories "above" the ones I'm interested in, but even so I > don't believe I show all of the way to the root of each external drive > >
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
> On Jan 2, 2024, at 11:21 AM, Stanley Halpin > wrote: > > My basic file system: Folders = -Master for values of from 2002 to > 2024. Subfolders are - 01Jan, - 02Feb, etc. I use a similar > approach for image naming, renaming on import to mmdd-NNx.dng, > building onto the in-camera naming sequence preceded by a camera designator > such as K1a, K1b, 645Z... > > Space permitting, current year and previous year reside on my internal drive. > Whenever I do a major import or editing session, I copy the -Master to a > -Copy x, Copy x+1, etc. folder on 1 or two hard drives. If I go on a > trip, current and prior year’s -Copy x+1 is copied to a 2 TB SSD to take > along, both for en route backups from the laptop, but also in case I want to > go back into something from a few months ago. Back home, I copy from the SSD > to my internal drive in the appropriate - month folder(s) and then in LR > I point at those and have LR Synch. This is very close to my directory tree. Long term is basically Year/month/shoot with shoot named yymmdd_mnemonic Under the shoot directory I may split things out as convenient, by person being photographed, set of photos in a panorama, type of airplane, then individual airplane. There may be multiple "shoot" directories that all start off with the same date: 240102 Or there may be several days in the same shoot directory with a date arbitrarily chosen for the naming. So, I basically import into ~/photos_fresh/shoot Organize the shoot directory/directories (if I import from different cameras into different directories) Do all of my processing, then I'd move the shoot directory tree: ~/photos_fresh/240102_example into its final resting place: /mnt/photo_bb/2024a/2401/240102_example > > When I take pictures around home, I import via LR directly to my internal > drive in the appropriate month’s directory. > > For me, I found that using named folders (e.g., Birds, Water Falls, baseball, > …) led me down too many rabbit holes, and I keep my folders by date. All > other cataloging is done first via key wording on import, I started out doing something like that, but ran into the same rabbit holes that you did I'm sure. I now do a mixture of the two, the date is the primary organization, but the same "date" might have several mnemonic trees: 230712_march_afb/bombers/b25 > modified/extended key wording during review/editing, and then Catalogs for > gathering images of some category or another. Annual favorites, Selections > from November trip, Macro Flowers, … When I am working on a photo book, I > drop selected images into catalogs/sub-catalogs in my preliminary preparation > phase. I also make use of catalogs and key wording. > > One exception to my rule about sticking to folders: I do have a folder > on my internal drive labeled Current Exports. Basically temporary storage for > images to post as a PESO, GESO, on FB, or send in an email to friends. Such > images typically have been given a reasonably high star rating in LR. I can > easily delete or lose the Current Export images and re-locate them within LR > by doing a screen by ratings. I also have an extensive methodology of rating which is beyond the scope of this discussion. I do wish that I could more easily set things up so that a photo could have multiple ratings, either by myself and someone doing another pass, or for different goals, but that is a whole nuther kettle of worms. > > In your work flow, you mention “moving directories” from one place to > another. Are you using the OS to do this? Or are you doing this within LR? I have learned from painful experience to move the directories using lightroom. It is in this process that lightroom expands, contracts, and moves around the hard drives in its folders panel -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
My basic file system: Folders = -Master for values of from 2002 to 2024. Subfolders are - 01Jan, - 02Feb, etc. I use a similar approach for image naming, renaming on import to mmdd-NNx.dng, building onto the in-camera naming sequence preceded by a camera designator such as K1a, K1b, 645Z... Space permitting, current year and previous year reside on my internal drive. Whenever I do a major import or editing session, I copy the -Master to a -Copy x, Copy x+1, etc. folder on 1 or two hard drives. If I go on a trip, current and prior year’s -Copy x+1 is copied to a 2 TB SSD to take along, both for en route backups from the laptop, but also in case I want to go back into something from a few months ago. Back home, I copy from the SSD to my internal drive in the appropriate - month folder(s) and then in LR I point at those and have LR Synch. When I take pictures around home, I import via LR directly to my internal drive in the appropriate month’s directory. For me, I found that using named folders (e.g., Birds, Water Falls, baseball, …) led me down too many rabbit holes, and I keep my folders by date. All other cataloging is done first via key wording on import, modified/extended key wording during review/editing, and then Catalogs for gathering images of some category or another. Annual favorites, Selections from November trip, Macro Flowers, … When I am working on a photo book, I drop selected images into catalogs/sub-catalogs in my preliminary preparation phase. One exception to my rule about sticking to folders: I do have a folder on my internal drive labeled Current Exports. Basically temporary storage for images to post as a PESO, GESO, on FB, or send in an email to friends. Such images typically have been given a reasonably high star rating in LR. I can easily delete or lose the Current Export images and re-locate them within LR by doing a screen by ratings. In your work flow, you mention “moving directories” from one place to another. Are you using the OS to do this? Or are you doing this within LR? Stan > On Jan 2, 2024, at 1:34 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > >> On Jan 2, 2024, at 8:17 AM, Stanley Halpin >> wrote: >> >> Like Godfrey, I have not seen this behavior in LR. > > Do your files go directly to their final resting place? Or do you have an > intermediate location on a fast drive for them? It is when I move > directories from one drive to another that this happens. > >> I just looked, I right-clicked on some of my Folder and Drive names in the >> list, played a bit with the options such as Hide this Parent or Show Parent >> Folder… >> Those are possibly the settings that Godfrey suggested you might be looking >> for. >> Stan >> >>> On Jan 1, 2024, at 11:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a >>> "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. >>> I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that >>> whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the >>> panel moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my >>> catalog, moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, >>> the order of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu >>> is just not strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Larry Colen >>> l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood >>> >>> >>> -- >>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est > > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
> On Jan 2, 2024, at 8:17 AM, Stanley Halpin > wrote: > > Like Godfrey, I have not seen this behavior in LR. Do your files go directly to their final resting place? Or do you have an intermediate location on a fast drive for them? It is when I move directories from one drive to another that this happens. > I just looked, I right-clicked on some of my Folder and Drive names in the > list, played a bit with the options such as Hide this Parent or Show Parent > Folder… > Those are possibly the settings that Godfrey suggested you might be looking > for. > Stan > >> On Jan 1, 2024, at 11:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a >> "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. >> I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that >> whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the panel >> moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my catalog, >> moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, the order >> of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu is just not >> strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. >> >> >> >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood >> >> >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
> On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Hmm. I have, at present, three physical volumes comprising the media that LR > Classic 13.1 has imported original files from in that list in the Folders > panel. They never change place on the Folders panel. Oddly, you and I seem to have different workflows. I import files into my "photos_fresh" directory on my SSD. I then organize them into topical subdirectories when processing. You aren't interested in the full directory tree methodology, but this way if Lightroom ever goes away, I have a nice logical way of finding things in whatever I use next. Once I have finished processing, or at least sorting, the files they get copied onto long term storage, an external case with my entire catalog on a couple of drives. And every so often, I do a "catchup", where I "export to catalog" all of the files I have edited since my last catchup, and then import those changes to my "everything" catalog. Since I mostly only use the external drives when I'm archiving files, or occasionally reworking old files, I don't usually even have it plugged in or connected to the trashcan, protecting it from anything that might go wrong with the computer. > > The reason for this is probably because, when I set them up, I drilled down > through the directory hierarchy on the volumes to the root of the photo > storage directory trees and then told LR to "Hide Parent Directory" on all > folder hierarchies above (or below, per your perspective) that point. So I > don't see, in LR, all the other directories on the volumes; only the entire > directory of original image files starting at its local root. Any other > directory/file manipulations on these volumes is therefore invisible to LR > Classic, and cannot reorder the placement of the volumes in the Folders > listing. There's no need to see the entire directory tree structure of the > import volumes, only the directory trees from which you have imported files, > which should always have a single root.. that's my logic behind setting it up > this way. Hmm, interesting, it is convenient for me to know where certain directory trees are. Some years are on one of the external drives, other years on the other. There are other branches as well. I suppose that I could add some meaningless directories "above" the ones I'm interested in, but even so I don't believe I show all of the way to the root of each external drive > > That's my conjecture anyway. Try it. :D > > G > >> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a >>> "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. >>> I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that >>> whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the >>> panel moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my >>> catalog, moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, >>> the order of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu >>> is just not strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. >> >> Edit, it's even worse than that, it will also collapse the display of a >> drive when it makes a change. So things keep changing out from under me, and >> moving around, often when I'm trying to move a folder to them. >> >> Arrrgg! Why do they insist on having software "help" me, when I don't >> ask it to? > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
Like Godfrey, I have not seen this behavior in LR. I just looked, I right-clicked on some of my Folder and Drive names in the list, played a bit with the options such as Hide this Parent or Show Parent Folder… Those are possibly the settings that Godfrey suggested you might be looking for. Stan > On Jan 1, 2024, at 11:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a "Folders" > panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. I've got > three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that whenever I > change something on one of the drives, it's position in the panel moves to > the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my catalog, moving folders > from the primary drive to the longer term storage, the order of the drives in > the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu is just not strong enough to > figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. > > > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
Oh yes: I also have LR set to display only the directory name, not the entire directory path, in the Folders panel. That might be affecting dynamic ordering as well. I doubt this problem has anything to do with an engineering decision trying to "help you". It's probably just a consequence of the way LR parses the directory names and orders the tree dynamically. When you make changes that affect the whole tree, it changes the parsing and display calculations; the ordering likely bubbles up the most recent changes to the top of the list as a side effect. G > On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Hmm. I have, at present, three physical volumes comprising the media that LR > Classic 13.1 has imported original files from in that list in the Folders > panel. They never change place on the Folders panel. > > The reason for this is probably because, when I set them up, I drilled down > through the directory hierarchy on the volumes to the root of the photo > storage directory trees and then told LR to "Hide Parent Directory" on all > folder hierarchies above (or below, per your perspective) that point. So I > don't see, in LR, all the other directories on the volumes; only the entire > directory of original image files starting at its local root. Any other > directory/file manipulations on these volumes is therefore invisible to LR > Classic, and cannot reorder the placement of the volumes in the Folders > listing. There's no need to see the entire directory tree structure of the > import volumes, only the directory trees from which you have imported files, > which should always have a single root.. that's my logic behind setting it up > this way. > > That's my conjecture anyway. Try it. :D > > G > >> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a >>> "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. >>> I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that >>> whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the >>> panel moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my >>> catalog, moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, >>> the order of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu >>> is just not strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. >> >> Edit, it's even worse than that, it will also collapse the display of a >> drive when it makes a change. So things keep changing out from under me, and >> moving around, often when I'm trying to move a folder to them. >> >> Arrrgg! Why do they insist on having software "help" me, when I don't >> ask it to? -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
Hmm. I have, at present, three physical volumes comprising the media that LR Classic 13.1 has imported original files from in that list in the Folders panel. They never change place on the Folders panel. The reason for this is probably because, when I set them up, I drilled down through the directory hierarchy on the volumes to the root of the photo storage directory trees and then told LR to "Hide Parent Directory" on all folder hierarchies above (or below, per your perspective) that point. So I don't see, in LR, all the other directories on the volumes; only the entire directory of original image files starting at its local root. Any other directory/file manipulations on these volumes is therefore invisible to LR Classic, and cannot reorder the placement of the volumes in the Folders listing. There's no need to see the entire directory tree structure of the import volumes, only the directory trees from which you have imported files, which should always have a single root.. that's my logic behind setting it up this way. That's my conjecture anyway. Try it. :D G > On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > >> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a >> "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. >> I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that >> whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the panel >> moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my catalog, >> moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, the order >> of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu is just not >> strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. > > Edit, it's even worse than that, it will also collapse the display of a drive > when it makes a change. So things keep changing out from under me, and moving > around, often when I'm trying to move a folder to them. > > Arrrgg! Why do they insist on having software "help" me, when I don't > ask it to? -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
Larry Colen wrote: >Why do they insist on having software "help" me, when I don't ask it to? Man, that's the perennial question of software, isn't it? -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a "Folders" > panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. I've got > three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that whenever I > change something on one of the drives, it's position in the panel moves to > the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my catalog, moving folders > from the primary drive to the longer term storage, the order of the drives in > the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu is just not strong enough to > figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. Edit, it's even worse than that, it will also collapse the display of a drive when it makes a change. So things keep changing out from under me, and moving around, often when I'm trying to move a folder to them. Arrrgg! Why do they insist on having software "help" me, when I don't ask it to? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Stupid Lightroom Question
I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the panel moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my catalog, moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, the order of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu is just not strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Lightroom naming help
yes, Lightroom Classic. Photo bundle @ US$9.95/mo.. It has everything you need. I download and install only LrC because it"s all I need, but the bundle gives access to PS, Lr, and other apps should you need or want to use them. G > On Dec 8, 2023, at 9:19 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > > Thanks all, the version Matt was using showed you can switch from cloud to > desktop HD that’s the one that intrigues me but was unclear of the proper > name > > Dave -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Lightroom naming help
Thanks all, the version Matt was using showed you can switch from cloud to desktop HD that’s the one that intrigues me but was unclear of the proper name Dave On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 12:11 PM Stanley Halpin wrote: > I won’t claim to be an expert on this. I use LR Classic, currently at ver > 13.0.1. My current images and catalog are on my computers HD, and backed up > on external HDs. I keep older images on external HDs. > > LR (not LR Classic) is web based. You can put images onto your computer > HD, but the working assumption is that they are stored in the Adobe cloud. > The editing tools on LR are different and seem less useful IMHO than those > in LR Classic. I think LR would be great for someone mostly using their > phone as a camera. > > I sometimes use LR when traveling, and then transfer the images to my > computer at home and import them into LR Classic. > That is a complicated not very useful workflow, and so I have started > either talking my computer with me when I travel, or I wait to > review/edit/post any images untilI am back home. (My one computer is a 2021 > MacBook Pro; when at home it connects to a 27” monitor.) > > My basic monthly subscription includes LR, LR Classic, Photoshop, some > other Adobe stuff, and some online storage in the Adobe Cloud. I have no > idea the pricing options, but back when I shifted from LR v.6, the annual > cost for the bundle was about the same as I was paying each year to upgrade > from 4 to 5 to 6… > > Stan > > > On Dec 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > > > > Hey all. My old 2010 iMac has had it and I ordered a new 24” iMac > delivery > > date unknown at this time. I know I’ll have to upgrade from my old LR 6 > but > > confused with the new naming structure. > > I just got a email from Matt K regarding a LR 7 that allows for desktop > > editing from folders on your own HD, but I’m confused about the names, > > Lightroom, Lightroom classic, Lightroom cc etc. > > Isthe new edition still subscription based but I have the option to use > the > > cloud or is it one time fee like the olden days > > I confuse easily, as some may be aware, so any help is appreciated > > I have looked at Matt K’s short video but still confused on Nan’s and > plans > > > > Dave > > -- > > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Lightroom naming help
I won’t claim to be an expert on this. I use LR Classic, currently at ver 13.0.1. My current images and catalog are on my computers HD, and backed up on external HDs. I keep older images on external HDs. LR (not LR Classic) is web based. You can put images onto your computer HD, but the working assumption is that they are stored in the Adobe cloud. The editing tools on LR are different and seem less useful IMHO than those in LR Classic. I think LR would be great for someone mostly using their phone as a camera. I sometimes use LR when traveling, and then transfer the images to my computer at home and import them into LR Classic. That is a complicated not very useful workflow, and so I have started either talking my computer with me when I travel, or I wait to review/edit/post any images untilI am back home. (My one computer is a 2021 MacBook Pro; when at home it connects to a 27” monitor.) My basic monthly subscription includes LR, LR Classic, Photoshop, some other Adobe stuff, and some online storage in the Adobe Cloud. I have no idea the pricing options, but back when I shifted from LR v.6, the annual cost for the bundle was about the same as I was paying each year to upgrade from 4 to 5 to 6… Stan > On Dec 8, 2023, at 10:19 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > > Hey all. My old 2010 iMac has had it and I ordered a new 24” iMac delivery > date unknown at this time. I know I’ll have to upgrade from my old LR 6 but > confused with the new naming structure. > I just got a email from Matt K regarding a LR 7 that allows for desktop > editing from folders on your own HD, but I’m confused about the names, > Lightroom, Lightroom classic, Lightroom cc etc. > Isthe new edition still subscription based but I have the option to use the > cloud or is it one time fee like the olden days > I confuse easily, as some may be aware, so any help is appreciated > I have looked at Matt K’s short video but still confused on Nan’s and plans > > Dave > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Lightroom naming help
Yes Lightroom Classic (LrC) is what you want. Lightroom (Lr) needs a real cloud subscription (1 Tb), It also works with Lightroom Mobile. And all 3 can work together in the cloud. Lightroom Classic is the one, the rest is nice (and expensive) Toine On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 at 17:37, Henk Terhell wrote: > For desktop editing you should get a subscription for Lightroom Classic > with Photoshop. This is the cheapest option for which get only 20 GB cloud > storage. > You will be pleased with all the new features in Lightroom Classic > compared to Lightroom version 6. > I wouldn't look any further unless you only want to work in the cloud. > > Henk > > -Original Message- > From: David J Brooks > Sent: vrijdag 8 december 2023 16:19 > To: Pentax Discuss > Subject: OT: Lightroom naming help > > Hey all. My old 2010 iMac has had it and I ordered a new 24” iMac delivery > date unknown at this time. I know I’ll have to upgrade from my old LR 6 but > confused with the new naming structure. > I just got a email from Matt K regarding a LR 7 that allows for desktop > editing from folders on your own HD, but I’m confused about the names, > Lightroom, Lightroom classic, Lightroom cc etc. > Isthe new edition still subscription based but I have the option to use > the cloud or is it one time fee like the olden days I confuse easily, as > some may be aware, so any help is appreciated I have looked at Matt K’s > short video but still confused on Nan’s and plans > > Dave > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from > the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Lightroom naming help
For desktop editing you should get a subscription for Lightroom Classic with Photoshop. This is the cheapest option for which get only 20 GB cloud storage. You will be pleased with all the new features in Lightroom Classic compared to Lightroom version 6. I wouldn't look any further unless you only want to work in the cloud. Henk -Original Message- From: David J Brooks Sent: vrijdag 8 december 2023 16:19 To: Pentax Discuss Subject: OT: Lightroom naming help Hey all. My old 2010 iMac has had it and I ordered a new 24” iMac delivery date unknown at this time. I know I’ll have to upgrade from my old LR 6 but confused with the new naming structure. I just got a email from Matt K regarding a LR 7 that allows for desktop editing from folders on your own HD, but I’m confused about the names, Lightroom, Lightroom classic, Lightroom cc etc. Isthe new edition still subscription based but I have the option to use the cloud or is it one time fee like the olden days I confuse easily, as some may be aware, so any help is appreciated I have looked at Matt K’s short video but still confused on Nan’s and plans Dave -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hey all. My old 2010 iMac has had it and I ordered a new 24” iMac delivery date unknown at this time. I know I’ll have to upgrade from my old LR 6 but confused with the new naming structure. I just got a email from Matt K regarding a LR 7 that allows for desktop editing from folders on your own HD, but I’m confused about the names, Lightroom, Lightroom classic, Lightroom cc etc. Isthe new edition still subscription based but I have the option to use the cloud or is it one time fee like the olden days I confuse easily, as some may be aware, so any help is appreciated I have looked at Matt K’s short video but still confused on Nan’s and plans Dave -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, but I DO mind paying monthly rental & CS6 (64-bit) runs just fine on the system I built specifically for Photoshop. On 7/19/2023 9:33 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I don’t mind paying ten bucks a month for the latest versions of photoshop, bridge, and Lightroom, I had CS6 as well, but it won’t run on current Mac OSX. The new photoshop is substantially better than CS6. Paul On Jul 19, 2023, at 7:37 PM, John Sessoms wrote: On 7/18/2023 11:02 AM, Bill wrote: I see your point, but prior to the subscription model, Photoshop was the most pirated software of any, with something like 80% or more of Photoshop installations being pirated. Adobe had to do something. They have shareholders to answer to. There was no upgrade path from PhotoshopCS5 to PhotoshopCS6 Extended Edition and I was advised to get the extended edition since it was going to be the last standalone perpetual license version. I ended up paying full shrink wrap RETAIL ($700+) for it, but I don't have to pay a monthly ransom to continue using it. And now it appears Adobe has actual competitors, so if PhotoshopCS6-EE ever proves to be inadequate ... -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don’t mind paying ten bucks a month for the latest versions of photoshop, bridge, and Lightroom, I had CS6 as well, but it won’t run on current Mac OSX. The new photoshop is substantially better than CS6. Paul > On Jul 19, 2023, at 7:37 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > > On 7/18/2023 11:02 AM, Bill wrote: > >> I see your point, but prior to the subscription model, Photoshop was the >> most pirated software of any, with something like 80% or more of Photoshop >> installations being pirated. >> Adobe had to do something. They have shareholders to answer to. > > There was no upgrade path from PhotoshopCS5 to PhotoshopCS6 Extended Edition > and I was advised to get the extended edition since it was going to be the > last standalone perpetual license version. > > I ended up paying full shrink wrap RETAIL ($700+) for it, but I don't have to > pay a monthly ransom to continue using it. > > And now it appears Adobe has actual competitors, so if PhotoshopCS6-EE ever > proves to be inadequate ... > > -- > Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. > www.avg.com > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/18/2023 11:02 AM, Bill wrote: I see your point, but prior to the subscription model, Photoshop was the most pirated software of any, with something like 80% or more of Photoshop installations being pirated. Adobe had to do something. They have shareholders to answer to. There was no upgrade path from PhotoshopCS5 to PhotoshopCS6 Extended Edition and I was advised to get the extended edition since it was going to be the last standalone perpetual license version. I ended up paying full shrink wrap RETAIL ($700+) for it, but I don't have to pay a monthly ransom to continue using it. And now it appears Adobe has actual competitors, so if PhotoshopCS6-EE ever proves to be inadequate ... -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/18/2023 10:11 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
Am 18.07.23 um 15:07 schrieb Bill:
Subscription services seem to be the way of the future.
Either that or you'll only get updates for a year. Still leaves you with
the option of continuing with the older version.
Then again, in many cases there is a new version every year that
includes new or improved functions and you'll upgrade anyhow.
What I hate are schemes like Adobe's where you lose all use of the
software if you don't keep on paying. ("Buy once, pay forever.")
Ralf
Which is why I'm still using the last perpetual license version of
Photoshop - PhotoshopCS6 ...
The only real problem I've had with that is ALL the tutorials on YouTube
assume the latest rent-ware version. Sometimes I have to figure out how
to duplicate some new built-in feature; or find a different tutorial.
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Am 19.07.23 um 12:22 schrieb Steve Cottrell: The paid version is about 300 USD and then all future upgrades are included. So they say. Until they decide it won't be any longer. Just got a message from the author of TwistedWave saying he's changing to a thinly veiled subscription system that costs three times as much per year as what I paid initially for the original version. Happens all the time for all kinds of software now. With the selection of software I use regularly, this easily adds up to hundreds of euros per year. Sorry, folks, that's just what our ...censored... health insurance went up this year (yet again!). I run a translation business, not a mint. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Me too. In fact My son bought CS6 when he was a student - we went halves on it. It can run on 2 separate computers, so happy days. On a Mac it won’t run after OS 10.14 (Mojave) because 10.15 and onwards is 64bit. Mojave runs fine for me and even better - I finally got DaVinci Resolve (video editing) running smooth on my 2012 MacBook Pro. That’s up to v18.5 but after much research I found that 16.1 sits fine with my limited VRAM - 16.1.1 was a big upgrade requiring more VRAM and makes the playback stutter on my system. So I’m *finally* weaning off my old FCP7 !! Been using FCP since version 4 from about 2006 or so. DaVinci Resolve is very similar to FCP7 (not FCPX which I don’t like) and there is a free version and a paid version. For my needs the free version works fine, but OI will happily pay if I need the extra features. The paid version is about 300 USD and then all future upgrades are included. I prefer this method of charging - one of the reasons I have avoided Adobe Premiere…. Best Cotty > On 18 Jul 2023, at 15:21, David J Brooks wrote: > > I'm still on standalone version 6 with 4 gig ram :-) -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 18.07.23 um 18:55 schrieb Larry Colen: I'm also interested in Darktable, which has the big advantage that it will also run on Linux. I've tried it, about a year ago, and to me it's something like the proverbial horse designed by a committee. Or a software made by and for mathematicians. I've never quite understood their peculiar RAW developing logic. It's said to be derived from colour correcting cine film or some such. Goes far beyond me. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Jul 18, 2023, at 9:08 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 18.07.23 um 17:02 schrieb Bill: > >> I'd like a Maserati, but I can't afford it. Does this give me the right >> to steal one? > > Certainly not. But after you've legally bought one and paid the full > price, they won't take it away from you if you don't keep paying year > after year. Besides, an acquaintance of mine had one. That thing spent > more time at the garage than on the road. > > I have paid for Lightroom since their early days and when they pulled > the plug on LR6 I've changed to ON1. Although they also lure me into > buying yearly upgrades I don't have to if I don't want to and can still > go on using it. > > That said, I'm happier with ON1, the noise filter runs circles around LR > and my photos look better. > > Maybe I'm just old-fashioned. I don't borrow money to buy things and I > prefer to own the things I buy. So, I'm still buying CDs instead of > streaming. > > Ralf You never own software. You license it. Software always remains the property of the originator/vendor who produces it. Read the End User License Agreement included with every piece of software you ever use… It's much like a book or a photograph: You can own the physical book or photograph, but the rights to the words/image contained are always the property of the writer/photographer/publisher and are not yours to be utilized commercially for profit unless you pay them for a license to do so. LR Classic's latest "AI" noise filter is pretty darn good: Finished: https://flic.kr/p/2ovSe27 After - Before comparison crops: https://flic.kr/p/2ovRaG2 … and that photo was made with the iPhone 11 Pro set to ISO 250, a ridiculously high ISO setting for a chintzy little sensor like a phone camera. I didn't buy any of the Adobe Cloud storage explicitly, although my $10/mo subscription comes with 20G as a default. I don't use it. My $10/mo subscription also comes with Photoshop as well as a few other apps that I have neither installed nor used. You only need to use what you want to use, that's all. Frankly, at $120 per year for the subscription, it's a bargain compared to paying about $500 for Photoshop, about $100 or Lightroom, and then paying for updates to both every 10-18 months. The transition from perpetual license to subscription licensing was not, as some people opine, to restrict some of the rampant software theft, although it does have that as a side effect. The transition services another essential need: with the perpetual license financial scheme, a company's income goes through a complex cycle of highs and lows depending on when updates for the major software products are to be released. This can create havoc with a development schedule as, when finances are low, you either have to borrow money or let go of personnel to keep the business afloat, and often if you lay off temporarily excess personnel, you can't get all of it back when the curve goes up. With a subscription license model, you build a user audience at a lower total price/profit level per user, but you have a consistent monthly income to work with from your installed user base, permitting better planning and more incremental development with a consistent personnel staff over time. It makes sense as a business model for a company like Adobe (and others who have gone to the subscription licensing model). I tried ON1 when I was looking for an alternative to LR (to stay away from the subscription…) and it managed to thoroughly hork up my image files and rendering work rather badly. LR v6.15 perpetual license had, by the introduction of MacOS Catalina, so many broken parts I had to do something. That was three-four major macOS revisions ago, and there have been enough high-value improvements to the macOS revisions (even on my old Mac minis) that I'd rather update the OS and deal with what doesn't work in the apps. LR Classic has worked well, if not perfectly (nothing is ever "perfect"), and updates have been frequent and cost-free beyond the low monthly tithe due. The closest thing I've found to a consistent and quality replacement for Lightroom (Classic) is/was Apple's Photos app combined with Gentlemen Coders' RAW Power. I use that combo about half the time nowadays: for a low cost, RAW Power is available for and runs well on all of my computers/devices, and Photos is regularly updated, improved with each iteration of the OS as well. But there are still things that Lightroom Classic does easily that I haven't found in any other package (like easily configurable, maintainable printing templates) with the same degree of ease and quality. And at $10/month, the cost is trivial, even without using all the bits I don
Re: Lightroom requires a TB??
> On Jul 18, 2023, at 9:08 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 18.07.23 um 17:02 schrieb Bill: > >> I'd like a Maserati, but I can't afford it. Does this give me the right >> to steal one? > > Certainly not. But after you've legally bought one and paid the full > price, they won't take it away from you if you don't keep paying year > after year. Besides, an acquaintance of mine had one. That thing spent > more time at the garage than on the road. The parallel runs a bit deeper, with most new cars you have the option of either buying it, or leasing it. Nominally leasing is a bit less expensive per month than purchasing, but at the end of the term, they get the car back. If you are someone who buys a new car every five years, leasing can be a good deal to always have a new car. I'd like to have the option to decide whether to buy a permanent license or do the lease/ransomware if I choose. > > I have paid for Lightroom since their early days and when they pulled > the plug on LR6 I've changed to ON1. Although they also lure me into > buying yearly upgrades I don't have to if I don't want to and can still > go on using it. I used LR6 until I got trapped in the upgrade cycle of needing to upgrade to a version of MacOS that LR6 didn't run on. I have since moved on to the ransomware version of LR. On the upside, they have made some significant upgrades since LR6. As I remember, there was a period where it seemed that all of their innovations on LR went into moving to ransomware, and possibly some stuff for phones that is completely useless to me, and it didn't get any significantly better features. The main reason that I stuck with LR was laziness about changing to something new, and not being able to find something that worked significantly better for me. > > That said, I'm happier with ON1, the noise filter runs circles around LR > and my photos look better. That's good to know, I tried ON1 a few years back and it didn't really work for me. I tried to use their feature to import files from Lightroom and it just could not handle libraries of any size. Also, I was doing a lot of panorama stitching at the time, and it didn't work as well as LR for that. I'm also interested in Darktable, which has the big advantage that it will also run on Linux. But, in the meantime, I just don't have the time or emotional energy to research a replacement. Lately, I've barely had the time to take photos, or process the ones that I have taken. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 18.07.23 um 17:02 schrieb Bill: I'd like a Maserati, but I can't afford it. Does this give me the right to steal one? Certainly not. But after you've legally bought one and paid the full price, they won't take it away from you if you don't keep paying year after year. Besides, an acquaintance of mine had one. That thing spent more time at the garage than on the road. I have paid for Lightroom since their early days and when they pulled the plug on LR6 I've changed to ON1. Although they also lure me into buying yearly upgrades I don't have to if I don't want to and can still go on using it. That said, I'm happier with ON1, the noise filter runs circles around LR and my photos look better. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned. I don't borrow money to buy things and I prefer to own the things I buy. So, I'm still buying CDs instead of streaming. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/18/2023 8:11 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
Am 18.07.23 um 15:07 schrieb Bill:
Subscription services seem to be the way of the future.
Either that or you'll only get updates for a year. Still leaves you with
the option of continuing with the older version.
Then again, in many cases there is a new version every year that
includes new or improved functions and you'll upgrade anyhow.
What I hate are schemes like Adobe's where you lose all use of the
software if you don't keep on paying. ("Buy once, pay forever.")
I see your point, but prior to the subscription model, Photoshop was the
most pirated software of any, with something like 80% or more of
Photoshop installations being pirated.
Adobe had to do something. They have shareholders to answer to.
I've read the narratives that "I can't afford Photoshop, it's too
expensive, so they aren't losing money by having me steal it since I
wouldn't have bought it anyway", and I disagree with them.
Photoshop/Lightroom may be nothing more than an electronic download, but
there is still an infrastructure behind it.
I'd like a Maserati, but I can't afford it. Does this give me the right
to steal one?
Software is a consumer product, jut like any other consumer product The
vendor makes a product, they put a price on it and the consumer has the
right to buy it or not. They shouldn't have the option to steal it
because they think it's too expensive.
I don't agree with the decisions of automakers to put heated seats on a
subscription model, or having to pay by the month to get that extra
hundred or so horsepower out of your car, but what this means is that I
won't be buying a BMW or Mercedes Benz any time soon, not that I will
steal one of those cars.
If Photoshop was too expensive, find a cheaper alternative, don't just
steal it and make up an excuse for your dishonesty.
I subscribe to Disney+. If I don't pay my subscription fee, I don't have
a right to complain when they cut off my service.
The same with my monthly internet, electric, gas or phone bills. I
either pay them monthly or I sit in a dark, cold and quiet house (come
to think of it, that's what I go on vacation to do).
What I don't get to do is tap into my neighbour's gas line, power
utility and steal their WiFi.
My internet service is nothing more than electrons or light pulses in
wires, but I still have to pay by the month to support the
infrastructure that makes getting those signals to me.
I don't see Adobe's subscription model as anything more than hopefully
stopping piracy and theft of their product, something they have a duty
to their shareholders to and to support the infrastructure behind the
program and allow the company to have the funds to continue to develop
their software.
As an aside, if you stop paying your Photoshop/Lightroom subscription,
Photoshop will stop working, but Lightroom will go into read only mode
and you have a year to clean up any Cloud storage you are using before
they wipe your files, so it isn't like anyone is being held for ransom.
Photoshop/Lightroom is priced in such a way that it pretty much evens
out if one was following the former software upgrade path and actually
buying in rather than downloading a crack key.
bill
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On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 5:10 PM Rick Womer wrote: > I’m using LR Classic on a MacMini with 8 GB of RAM and 494 GB on its SSHD. > Everything runs fine. > > Rick > I'm still on standalone version 6 with 4 gig ram :-) Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 18.07.23 um 15:07 schrieb Bill:
Subscription services seem to be the way of the future.
Either that or you'll only get updates for a year. Still leaves you with
the option of continuing with the older version.
Then again, in many cases there is a new version every year that
includes new or improved functions and you'll upgrade anyhow.
What I hate are schemes like Adobe's where you lose all use of the
software if you don't keep on paying. ("Buy once, pay forever.")
Ralf
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> On Jul 17, 2023, at 2:04 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > You can book it with various amounts of cloud storage, icluding a 1 TB > option. Thanks, Ralf. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@comcast.net "What does it mean...that the world is so beautiful?" - Mary Oliver -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/18/2023 3:23 AM, Eric Weir wrote: On Jul 17, 2023, at 7:05 PM, Bill wrote: Are you sure they aren't trying to set you up with a terabyte of cloud storage? That’s what it was. A TB is $10 more a month. I went with 20 GB. Probably won’t use it. The website seemed biased toward their cloud-based services. Subscription services seem to be the way of the future. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Jul 17, 2023, at 5:10 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > > I’m using LR Classic on a MacMini with 8 GB of RAM and 494 GB on its SSHD. > Everything runs fine. That’s about what I have. 8 GB ram/512 GB SSHD. ——— Eric Weir Atlanta, GA USA “It has all been combustion.” - W.G. Sebald -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Jul 17, 2023, at 7:05 PM, Bill wrote: > > Are you sure they aren't trying to set you up with a terabyte of cloud > storage? That’s what it was. A TB is $10 more a month. I went with 20 GB. Probably won’t use it. The website seemed biased toward their cloud-based services. ——— Eric Weir Atlanta, GA USA “It has all been combustion.” - W.G. Sebald -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My main system where I edit thousands of images in LR Classic is a 2019 Mac mini with 32G RAM and 1T startup/internal storage drive. My working image file repository is a 6T external drive connected to the computer with USB 3.1. I think they're recommending you have a 1T storage drive as a minimum, because LR Classic does a lot of reading/writing to disk when in operation, but I suspect it will work fine with less space if perhaps not as efficiently. I've run it using systems that have down to 8G RAM without problems. 512GB is really not a lot of storage if you're seriously doing a good bit of photography these days. A larger external drive for your photo library is likely a good idea. G > On Jul 17, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Eric Weir wrote: > > > Finally getting around to signing up for Lightroom. The website indicates a > TB of memory is required. A whole TB? Really? I only have 512 GB on my new > MBA. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/17/2023 11:59 AM, Eric Weir wrote: Finally getting around to signing up for Lightroom. The website indicates a TB of memory is required. A whole TB? Really? I only have 512 GB on my new MBA Are you sure they aren't trying to set you up with a terabyte of cloud storage? bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom requires a TB??
I’m using LR Classic on a MacMini with 8 GB of RAM and 494 GB on its SSHD. Everything runs fine. Rick > On Jul 17, 2023, at 1:59 PM, Eric Weir wrote: > > > Finally getting around to signing up for Lightroom. The website indicates a > TB of memory is required. A whole TB? Really? I only have 512 GB on my new > MBA. > > > -- > Eric Weir > Decatur, GA USA > eew...@comcast.net > > "Our world is a human world." > > - Hilary Putnam > > > > > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom requires a TB??
On July 17, 2023 10:59:34 AM PDT, Eric Weir wrote: > >Finally getting around to signing up for Lightroom. The website indicates a TB >of memory is required. A whole TB? Really? I only have 512 GB on my new MBA. Memory or storage? Are you talking Lightroom (for cell phones) or Lightroom classic (for cameras)? > > >-- >Eric Weir >Decatur, GA USA >eew...@comcast.net > >"Our world is a human world." > >- Hilary Putnam > > > > > > >-- >%(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow >the directions. > -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom requires a TB??
Am 17.07.23 um 19:59 schrieb Eric Weir: Finally getting around to signing up for Lightroom. The website indicates a TB of memory is required. A whole TB? Really? I only have 512 GB on my new MBA. You can book it with various amounts of cloud storage, icluding a 1 TB option. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Lightroom requires a TB??
Finally getting around to signing up for Lightroom. The website indicates a TB of memory is required. A whole TB? Really? I only have 512 GB on my new MBA. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@comcast.net "Our world is a human world." - Hilary Putnam -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Online Lightroom workshop
This just came through on my local photo club email list: https://www.bradleyphotographic.com/lightroomlive It seems to be a free monthly workshop on lightroom. Hello everyone, Reminder that Jason is hosting Lightroom Classic Live at 6:00pm PST tonight, Tues May 2. Thanks to those who have already submitted images and questions. If you would like to do so, upload here: https://www.bradleyphotographic.com/lightroomlive Join Zoom Meeting https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87952901387?pwd=VkU1VStOa1RMdFQ3TXJaWkZvZk9WQT09 Meeting ID: 879 5290 1387 Passcode: LIGHTROOM Reach out if you have questions! See you tonight. - Effie, Bradley Photographic BradleyPrintServices.com I BradleyPhotographic.com (831) 884-5606 I Tuesday - Saturday I 10AM to 5PM -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom & computer question
John, At first I thought you were reiterating what I had just explained, then I realized that this was in response to the post *before* my more in depth description. Great minds, and it would seem even ours. As a fr’instance, looking at last months directory, the path is: /Volumes/photo_bb/photo_04/pictures_2022b/2210 And the folders in October’s directory are: 221001_lemons 221002_lestat 221022_d_dove I do split years up into six month chunks, and they are split across multiple drives but yeah: year, month and folder by date, with topic, and separated with underbar because 0x20 causes difficulties. pictures_/yymm/yymmdd_topic > On Nov 14, 2022, at 6:54 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > > Folders arranged in "MMDD_Topic" format? > > That should arrange the folders in chronological order whatever OS is used. > > You could have higher level folders for "" and put the "MMDD_Topic" > as sub-folders ... maybe even "MM" as an intermediate level if he's > likely to have a lot of individual "Topics" > > "Topic" gives you some idea what the photos in the folder relate to so if you > have more than one group of photos on the same day you can have all the > "fishing" photos in one folder and the "old barn" photos in another. > > Some OSs don't like spaces in folder names, so the '_' instead of a space is > a good idea. > > On 11/11/2022 11:22 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: >> Thanks Larry. Totally agree with both points: (1) file organization should >> be such that it helps people find images, not just so that LR or other >> software can find stuff. My brother has his CDs for example, well sorted by >> image capture date. Which is fine if you have his calendar and list of key >> event date times. And (2) I’ll test any possible solutions with a small >> sample. >> I told my sister in law this evening that I had recovered 39,000+ Digital >> images from 2000-2011. And I showed her a small sample from 2004. Her >> reaction: “why did he keep those!?! I would have thrown those away!” In >> short, she won’t be compulsive about retaining everything -she wants >> reasonable access to key images of important times and places. (They both >> worked quite a bit outside the U.S. and did much travel…) so my.challenge is >> to help her ID and organize what is important to her, not necessarily what >> my brother would have wanted to preserve. >> If I had known I would be doing this, I would have started a year ago when >> my brother still had the mental capacity to help with this project! >> Stan >> Sent from my iPad >>> On Nov 11, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 11, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Stanley Halpin >>>> wrote: >>>> But, to the Question: Now that I have his scanned slides and digital >>>> images on a hard drive, readable on their HP and on my Mac, I thought I >>>> would create a new Lightroom Catalog on my system as a way to >>>> review/preview his images. And then I would export-as-catalog to an >>>> external drive, and then import that to their new HP. So, would this work? >>>> Will LR on a Windows machine read an LR catalog created via LR on a Mac? >>> >>> Everybody has their own way of organizing their Lightroom Catalog. I would >>> strongly recommend that the files themselves are organized in a manner that >>> makes photos relatively easy to find without using lightroom. >>> >>> I don’t know for sure, but I strongly suspect that the catalog format is OS >>> independent, so long as the file trees are compatible. Again, I’d strongly >>> suggest testing with a smaller catalog first. >>> >>> -- >>> Larry Colen >>> l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood >>> >>> >>> -- >>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. > www.avg.com > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom & computer question
Folders arranged in "MMDD_Topic" format? That should arrange the folders in chronological order whatever OS is used. You could have higher level folders for "" and put the "MMDD_Topic" as sub-folders ... maybe even "MM" as an intermediate level if he's likely to have a lot of individual "Topics" "Topic" gives you some idea what the photos in the folder relate to so if you have more than one group of photos on the same day you can have all the "fishing" photos in one folder and the "old barn" photos in another. Some OSs don't like spaces in folder names, so the '_' instead of a space is a good idea. On 11/11/2022 11:22 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: Thanks Larry. Totally agree with both points: (1) file organization should be such that it helps people find images, not just so that LR or other software can find stuff. My brother has his CDs for example, well sorted by image capture date. Which is fine if you have his calendar and list of key event date times. And (2) I’ll test any possible solutions with a small sample. I told my sister in law this evening that I had recovered 39,000+ Digital images from 2000-2011. And I showed her a small sample from 2004. Her reaction: “why did he keep those!?! I would have thrown those away!” In short, she won’t be compulsive about retaining everything -she wants reasonable access to key images of important times and places. (They both worked quite a bit outside the U.S. and did much travel…) so my.challenge is to help her ID and organize what is important to her, not necessarily what my brother would have wanted to preserve. If I had known I would be doing this, I would have started a year ago when my brother still had the mental capacity to help with this project! Stan Sent from my iPad On Nov 11, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 11, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote: But, to the Question: Now that I have his scanned slides and digital images on a hard drive, readable on their HP and on my Mac, I thought I would create a new Lightroom Catalog on my system as a way to review/preview his images. And then I would export-as-catalog to an external drive, and then import that to their new HP. So, would this work? Will LR on a Windows machine read an LR catalog created via LR on a Mac? Everybody has their own way of organizing their Lightroom Catalog. I would strongly recommend that the files themselves are organized in a manner that makes photos relatively easy to find without using lightroom. I don’t know for sure, but I strongly suspect that the catalog format is OS independent, so long as the file trees are compatible. Again, I’d strongly suggest testing with a smaller catalog first. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom & computer question
Thanks Larry, good food for thought, and good information. I already use many of your suggested rating/sorting approaches for my own images, but trying to set up for someone else is new to me. And so I am rethinking how I do my own as well as how to help her out. Stan Sent from my iPad > On Nov 12, 2022, at 12:32 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > Stan, > > Your sister in law’s reaction is an important detail. It changes a bit about > how I would want to go about it. It is arguably a bit more work for you > though. > > One important thing I have learned is that you never know what “merely > decent” photo is going to prove useful later on. On multiple occasions I’ve > had cause to rummage through my library for photos to share for someone’s > memorial. > > The good news is that with Lightroom it is very easy to make a collection and > use that to create a smaller, select, catalog to share with your sister in > law. > > Jeffrey Friedl also has a couple of plug-ins that you’ll find very helpful > for sharing photos with your SiL. > > http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/folder-publisher > will export photos maintaining the directory structure that you store the raw > files in. > > http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/collection-publisher > does the same but with collection structure. > > I have the feeling that your SiL would just want a reasonable chance of > finding the final JPEGS rather than the ability to access the files in > Lightroom. > > >> On Nov 11, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: >> >> Thanks Larry. Totally agree with both points: (1) file organization should >> be such that it helps people find images, not just so that LR or other >> software can find stuff. My brother has his CDs for example, well sorted by >> image capture date. Which is fine if you have his calendar and list of key >> event date times. And (2) I’ll test any possible solutions with a small >> sample. >> >> I told my sister in law this evening that I had recovered 39,000+ Digital >> images from 2000-2011. And I showed her a small sample from 2004. Her >> reaction: “why did he keep those!?! I would have thrown those away!” In >> short, she won’t be compulsive about retaining everything -she wants >> reasonable access to key images of important times and places. (They both >> worked quite a bit outside the U.S. and did much travel…) so my.challenge is >> to help her ID and organize what is important to her, not necessarily what >> my brother would have wanted to preserve. > > Again, this is how I would want to go about it, I’m not assuming this is what > would work for you, but I hope that it would give you a good start on a > procedure. I’m also assuming no knowledge on your part, I don’t mean to > insult your intelligence by stating the obvious. > > Are the CDs flat directories? Or are the directories on them organized. If > your brother organized the file on the CDs, you’d probably want to maintain > that structure, otherwise you can import into your file tree directly. > > I would organize the directories > > Year > + Month > +--CD, by name. or MMDD_cdname > > When importing files I have lightroom prepend the capture date to each file > name, that makes it easier to find the raw from the jpeg. > > Any keywording you can do at this point could prove helpful later on. CD > name, location, names of people, even facial recognition. > > I do a lot of winnowing down large numbers of photos. My strategy is to go > through several passes very quickly. If I have any doubts of whether to keep > or throw away, I postpone the decision to a later stage when there are fewer > decisions to make. > > My personal star rating is: > 1. the file is totally ruined, there is nothing recognizable, could be deleted > 2. Not worth taking a second look at (though it might be useful for HDR, > pano, greycard etc.) > 3. Nominally it means “good enough to post on the web”, at this stage it > means “good enough to look at again” > 4. Good enough to print > 5. Good enough for my portfolio > > For speed, my first pass I just mark anything worth a second look as a 3, and > at the end do a group set to 2 stars of anything left unrated. > If I find something I KNOW is amazing, I’ll use P to mark it (yes I P on the > good ones) now. I’ll do this stage with the filter set to show me unrated > photos, and I work from the start to the end. I may do a grid/group > selection and rate as 2 to a bunch that I’ve looked at and passed over > incrementally as I go through a really big directory. > > Once I’ve gone through all my fresh pho
Re: Lightroom & computer question
Stan, Your sister in law’s reaction is an important detail. It changes a bit about how I would want to go about it. It is arguably a bit more work for you though. One important thing I have learned is that you never know what “merely decent” photo is going to prove useful later on. On multiple occasions I’ve had cause to rummage through my library for photos to share for someone’s memorial. The good news is that with Lightroom it is very easy to make a collection and use that to create a smaller, select, catalog to share with your sister in law. Jeffrey Friedl also has a couple of plug-ins that you’ll find very helpful for sharing photos with your SiL. http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/folder-publisher will export photos maintaining the directory structure that you store the raw files in. http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/collection-publisher does the same but with collection structure. I have the feeling that your SiL would just want a reasonable chance of finding the final JPEGS rather than the ability to access the files in Lightroom. > On Nov 11, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: > > Thanks Larry. Totally agree with both points: (1) file organization should > be such that it helps people find images, not just so that LR or other > software can find stuff. My brother has his CDs for example, well sorted by > image capture date. Which is fine if you have his calendar and list of key > event date times. And (2) I’ll test any possible solutions with a small > sample. > > I told my sister in law this evening that I had recovered 39,000+ Digital > images from 2000-2011. And I showed her a small sample from 2004. Her > reaction: “why did he keep those!?! I would have thrown those away!” In > short, she won’t be compulsive about retaining everything -she wants > reasonable access to key images of important times and places. (They both > worked quite a bit outside the U.S. and did much travel…) so my.challenge is > to help her ID and organize what is important to her, not necessarily what my > brother would have wanted to preserve. Again, this is how I would want to go about it, I’m not assuming this is what would work for you, but I hope that it would give you a good start on a procedure. I’m also assuming no knowledge on your part, I don’t mean to insult your intelligence by stating the obvious. Are the CDs flat directories? Or are the directories on them organized. If your brother organized the file on the CDs, you’d probably want to maintain that structure, otherwise you can import into your file tree directly. I would organize the directories Year + Month +--CD, by name. or YYYYMMDD_cdname When importing files I have lightroom prepend the capture date to each file name, that makes it easier to find the raw from the jpeg. Any keywording you can do at this point could prove helpful later on. CD name, location, names of people, even facial recognition. I do a lot of winnowing down large numbers of photos. My strategy is to go through several passes very quickly. If I have any doubts of whether to keep or throw away, I postpone the decision to a later stage when there are fewer decisions to make. My personal star rating is: 1. the file is totally ruined, there is nothing recognizable, could be deleted 2. Not worth taking a second look at (though it might be useful for HDR, pano, greycard etc.) 3. Nominally it means “good enough to post on the web”, at this stage it means “good enough to look at again” 4. Good enough to print 5. Good enough for my portfolio For speed, my first pass I just mark anything worth a second look as a 3, and at the end do a group set to 2 stars of anything left unrated. If I find something I KNOW is amazing, I’ll use P to mark it (yes I P on the good ones) now. I’ll do this stage with the filter set to show me unrated photos, and I work from the start to the end. I may do a grid/group selection and rate as 2 to a bunch that I’ve looked at and passed over incrementally as I go through a really big directory. Once I’ve gone through all my fresh photos like this (ideally not immediately after) I’ll go through each directory, starting at the back, working towards the front and use P to “pick” any that I want to look at again. I’ll do a few more passes using the collection and subcollection tools to winnow things down further, incrementing a number on each pass. I delete from a selection moving from the left and pick for the next selection moving from the right. At some point, if I can get someone else to look over the photos I have them use the color flags to give their independent rating (this is where your SiL might come in if she is interested and willing. 6 = red = yuck 7 = yellow = meh 8 = green = like 9 = blue and can either be “super like”, or I like it no matter what they decide. P and X are often fairly transi
Re: Lightroom & computer question
Thanks Larry. Totally agree with both points: (1) file organization should be such that it helps people find images, not just so that LR or other software can find stuff. My brother has his CDs for example, well sorted by image capture date. Which is fine if you have his calendar and list of key event date times. And (2) I’ll test any possible solutions with a small sample. I told my sister in law this evening that I had recovered 39,000+ Digital images from 2000-2011. And I showed her a small sample from 2004. Her reaction: “why did he keep those!?! I would have thrown those away!” In short, she won’t be compulsive about retaining everything -she wants reasonable access to key images of important times and places. (They both worked quite a bit outside the U.S. and did much travel…) so my.challenge is to help her ID and organize what is important to her, not necessarily what my brother would have wanted to preserve. If I had known I would be doing this, I would have started a year ago when my brother still had the mental capacity to help with this project! Stan Sent from my iPad > On Nov 11, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > >> On Nov 11, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Stanley Halpin >> wrote: >> But, to the Question: Now that I have his scanned slides and digital images >> on a hard drive, readable on their HP and on my Mac, I thought I would >> create a new Lightroom Catalog on my system as a way to review/preview his >> images. And then I would export-as-catalog to an external drive, and then >> import that to their new HP. So, would this work? Will LR on a Windows >> machine read an LR catalog created via LR on a Mac? > > Everybody has their own way of organizing their Lightroom Catalog. I would > strongly recommend that the files themselves are organized in a manner that > makes photos relatively easy to find without using lightroom. > > I don’t know for sure, but I strongly suspect that the catalog format is OS > independent, so long as the file trees are compatible. Again, I’d strongly > suggest testing with a smaller catalog first. > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom & computer question
> On Nov 11, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Stanley Halpin > wrote: > But, to the Question: Now that I have his scanned slides and digital images > on a hard drive, readable on their HP and on my Mac, I thought I would create > a new Lightroom Catalog on my system as a way to review/preview his images. > And then I would export-as-catalog to an external drive, and then import that > to their new HP. So, would this work? Will LR on a Windows machine read an LR > catalog created via LR on a Mac? Everybody has their own way of organizing their Lightroom Catalog. I would strongly recommend that the files themselves are organized in a manner that makes photos relatively easy to find without using lightroom. I don’t know for sure, but I strongly suspect that the catalog format is OS independent, so long as the file trees are compatible. Again, I’d strongly suggest testing with a smaller catalog first. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Lightroom & computer question
Background: my brother, who is the one who introduced me to Pentax 40+ years ago, is slowly failing. Later stages of Parkinson’s with all that implies. He was always an incredibly organized person. E.g., he scanned every slide he ever took, has them neatly filed and labeled in order in two filing cabinet drawers. And documented in a spreadsheet as to who is in each picture, what camera was used, etc. The tifs/jpgs were stored open CD-ROMs. He has no recollection of all of this, has no clue where to look for missing files. Side note: Those records and files take us through 2000-2001, then we have transition to digital. I have found and recovered jpgs/DNGs for many (most?) of his digital images through 2011. At which point he switched from a Compaq to an HP desktop. All of what I have found is from his backups made during that transition. My sister-in-law and I would very much like to find the missing files/images from 2011 to 2017 or 2018 when he stopped being able to travel and take photos. But, to the Question: Now that I have his scanned slides and digital images on a hard drive, readable on their HP and on my Mac, I thought I would create a new Lightroom Catalog on my system as a way to review/preview his images. And then I would export-as-catalog to an external drive, and then import that to their new HP. So, would this work? Will LR on a Windows machine read an LR catalog created via LR on a Mac? Help, suggestions welcome… Stan -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom controls
The software is logi options+. if you want to switch between 2 or 3 pc or mac systems options+ has an option called flow to do that. You then also need the mx keys keyboard. Mx keys keys can also be programmed per application with options+. I have that combo and its perfect for lightroom. The scroll function of the mouse is amazing. On Wed, 27 Jul 2022, 02:05 Paul Sorenson, wrote: > Toine - > > I've been considering that mouse but haven't convinced myself to spend > the money yet. How have you programmed the other buttons? Do you have > multiple monitors to take advantage of that function? > > -p > > On 7/25/2022 1:44 PM, Toine wrote: > > Maybe you hate sliding the sliders (exposure, contrast etc.) with your > > mouse. I do and moving to the keyboard is also annoying. I even got a > > loupedeck which I used for a while and dropped it in the drawer with > other > > junk. > > My mouse died and I decided to get the most decadent mouse on the market, > > the logitech master 3 which also has a second scroll wheel for horizontal > > scrolling. It can be set to key shortcuts per application. For lightroom > > that would be + and -. Now I can click the exposure slider in lightroom > and > > turn the second mouse wheel while moving and zooming the photo to see the > > result! > > -- > > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > -- > Paul Sorenson > Studio1941 > > Sooner or later "different" scares people. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom controls
Toine - I've been considering that mouse but haven't convinced myself to spend the money yet. How have you programmed the other buttons? Do you have multiple monitors to take advantage of that function? -p On 7/25/2022 1:44 PM, Toine wrote: Maybe you hate sliding the sliders (exposure, contrast etc.) with your mouse. I do and moving to the keyboard is also annoying. I even got a loupedeck which I used for a while and dropped it in the drawer with other junk. My mouse died and I decided to get the most decadent mouse on the market, the logitech master 3 which also has a second scroll wheel for horizontal scrolling. It can be set to key shortcuts per application. For lightroom that would be + and -. Now I can click the exposure slider in lightroom and turn the second mouse wheel while moving and zooming the photo to see the result! -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Paul Sorenson Studio1941 Sooner or later "different" scares people. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Lightroom controls
Maybe you hate sliding the sliders (exposure, contrast etc.) with your mouse. I do and moving to the keyboard is also annoying. I even got a loupedeck which I used for a while and dropped it in the drawer with other junk. My mouse died and I decided to get the most decadent mouse on the market, the logitech master 3 which also has a second scroll wheel for horizontal scrolling. It can be set to key shortcuts per application. For lightroom that would be + and -. Now I can click the exposure slider in lightroom and turn the second mouse wheel while moving and zooming the photo to see the result! -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Sudden problem with the viewing adjustments in LightRoom - any ideas?
Hi All!
All of a sudden, I started having a problem in the old LightRoom (v5.x)
on Windows (10):
Any adjustments I make are not shown on the photograph shown in the middle
of LR workspace. Also, it doesn't show any changes in the preview panel
for sharpening and noise reduction (under "Detail").
Also, sometimes, if I am making image adjustments, LR stops showing the
active image at all, with only the grey frame as a place holder.
I have already tried to move away Lightroom 5 Preferences.agprefs file
in C:\Users\{Username}\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom\Preferences
thus allowing LR to regenerate it with the default settings. That did not
help.
Here are the things that have happened since everything worked just fine:
1. Computer crashed during a power outage. I do not remember if LR was
running at that point or not.
2. Windows 10 update was installed.
And the first symptoms were that LR was not showing on the imported photos
that a smart preview was active.
Also, sometimes, it was not showing
So, I've created a new catalog, removed the preference files, - and
the smart previews started working again.
But the changes are still not shown on the photos or in the side panel
"Details" - for sharpening and noise control.
Also, sometimes it shows just the gray frame instead of the photo. I have
to move to a different photo and come back to load the image.
I am torn between two possible reasons: something got damages in the
installation, and I should reinstall, or, something changed in the Windows
libraries/API, and that prevents LR from showing the images properly.
Has anybody heard about this type of problems?
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Igor
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Re: Big problem in lightroom classic
> On Feb 13, 2022, at 10:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > I posted to the Adobe boards about it at > https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/i-tried-moving-directory-trees-and-lightroom-lost-them/idi-p/12750104#M32384 I was griping about my problem elsenet and a friend who is good at macos made the embarrassingly obvious suggestion, to just go into system preferences and point my home directory at the directory on the other drive. Long story short, it worked. However, in my testing I made a subdirectory in lightroom, then made a child directory under that. I did not add photos because I was just trying to test what happens to things in the directory, and when I tried to move the directory tree in LR, the empty child directory showed up as missing. It turns out that when lightroom moves the directory tree it keeps a reference to the (empty) child directory, but does not create it on the target disk. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Big problem in lightroom classic
Sounds like the nuts have lost their kernels. Perhaps try switching on the light so the room is no longer dark? Oh, and be careful not to back up through any open windows. Alan C On 15-Feb-22 09:38 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Feb 14, 2022, at 11:20 PM, wrote: This is not the first time Larry or others have reported this sort of issue with LR: I'm just glad I decided I couldn't work with it, and my PS, Bridge, and self-organised directory structures under several versions of Windows have worked well over twenty years and half-a-dozen computers and external drives combinations. Good luck sorting it out and maintaining a reliable structure! As I noted elsewhere, I did figure out what the problem was and a workaround. I expect that if they assign someone to fix it it should be about an hours worth of coding to fix it, maybe as much as a day. I have found that despite my grievances Lightroom does seem to be the best “one stop shop” to get both the cataloging and processing features I need. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Big problem in lightroom classic
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 11:20 PM, > wrote: > > This is not the first time Larry or others have reported this sort of issue > with LR: I'm just glad I decided I couldn't work with it, and my PS, Bridge, > and self-organised directory structures under several versions of Windows > have worked well over twenty years and half-a-dozen computers and external > drives combinations. > > Good luck sorting it out and maintaining a reliable structure! As I noted elsewhere, I did figure out what the problem was and a workaround. I expect that if they assign someone to fix it it should be about an hours worth of coding to fix it, maybe as much as a day. I have found that despite my grievances Lightroom does seem to be the best “one stop shop” to get both the cataloging and processing features I need. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Big problem in lightroom classic
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 11:15 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > > It is far more sensible to place the files where you want them to reside in > the working file repository, either before or while using the import process > in LR, rather than moving them from one place to another with the multiple > levels of indirection implied while LR is managing them and all the attendant > database parameters it is creating about them. The difference in operational > performance is insignificant, and risky as you've discovered. It may even > ultimately be lower performance, even if successful. The *only* level of indirection here is how one gets to my home directory. One of the major points of lightroom is to organize my photos and I am specifically using it to organize my photos into a logical, and sensible directory tree. > > Remember that a parameter based editing app like Lightroom is basically > treating the original file repository as read only and does not write to the > original files unless specific operations are enabled that force it to; the > default configuration never sets those options. Reads are much faster than > writes. Put the files in their final resting positions and put the LR catalog > and thus its temporary files (.LRCAT, .LRDATA, and .LRCAT-DATA which it both > reads AND writes frequently) on the SSD for best performance. This has always > been the best LR configuration for performance, based on my empirical testing > of LR configurations over the past 15+ years. Does your testing involve all use cases? Do you often come back from excursions with thousands of files to sort and process? My impression is that you tend to shoot many fewer frames of much more static subjects than I do. When I’m shooting film, I do as well. I could see that apart reading the files off the card, or apart from starting lightroom when loading all of the files into memory being able to seek to them and read them more quickly is less important, particularly when there are many fewer of them. > > Your archives should be completely separate from LR (or any other app's other > than the backup software itself) working operations. An archive should be a > repository where things are stored, not manipulated in use — essentially > static data, mirrored by backup software only to reflect changes/additions > from the working repositories of the data they are archives of. Anything else > is poor backup policy and implementation. Yes, that is the archive. I read the files off the card onto the SSD. I sort the files into a logical directory heirarchy with the directories named by both date and subject, with further sorting by things like subject, panorama collection and such. Once everything is in place, no longer being moved around I then archive it and make the long term backups. I realize that some people feel that it’s best to let lightroom just put every photo in one giant flat directory, but I don’t necessarily intend to always use Lightroom so it is important to me that I can find photographs without relying on a database that I will lose access to as soon as I stop paying the monthly ransom, or lightroom stops working on my computer. As you may have noticed, I did find a workaround to the bug, but I do consider it important to warn others of the potential hazard. Some people might even make the argument that if Apple does provide the basic posix set of commands, they should work properly. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Big problem in lightroom classic
This is not the first time Larry or others have reported this sort of issue with LR: I'm just glad I decided I couldn't work with it, and my PS, Bridge, and self-organised directory structures under several versions of Windows have worked well over twenty years and half-a-dozen computers and external drives combinations. Good luck sorting it out and maintaining a reliable structure! John in Brisbane On Mon., Feb. 14, 2022, 12:10 a.m. Larry Colen, wrote: > My lightroom workflow involves importing my files onto my SSD, using > that for the initial processing then, in lightroom, moving the files > onto my primary long term copy and also duplicating onto my first and > second level backups. > > I know better than to move files around outside of lightroom, > lightroom gets confused and bad things happen. > > It turns out that in lightroom classic if I move the directories from > one drive to another it gets really confused and loses them. I just > spent the past hour or two cleaning up the mess. Fortunately I was > able to find the files (in some really messed up locations). > > In the process of cleaning up I lost the edits of my photos from > today, no big problem. When I got nervous because I wasn’t sure what > was happening and immediately moved my photos from they paying job I’m > working on and then tried to back them up and lost them (for a bit) that was > a big problem. > > I’ve found them, restored things but am just a wee bit annoyed at Adobe. > The bug report I’m about to file may be a bit strongly worded. > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to > pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the > link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Big problem in lightroom classic
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 7:46 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > > What happens if instead of MOVING files & directories, you copy them to the > long term copy & onto the first & second level backups. > > Then once you're sure you (and Lightroom) can find them again you can delete > them from the SSD. In theory I should probably copy to the backups first. I could do the move with the file system then just tell lightroom where to find the directories. As I mentioned elsethread it turns out that the problem is with symbolic links. Rather than pointing LR to the directory in its apparent location if I point lightroom to the directory in its actual location and things work for now. > > On 2/14/2022 1:10 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> My lightroom workflow involves importing my files onto my SSD, using that >> for the initial processing then, in lightroom, moving the files onto my >> primary long term copy and also duplicating onto my first and second level >> backups. >> I know better than to move files around outside of lightroom, lightroom gets >> confused and bad things happen. >> It turns out that in lightroom classic if I move the directories from one >> drive to another it gets really confused and loses them. I just spent the >> past hour or two cleaning up the mess. Fortunately I was able to find the >> files (in some really messed up locations). >> In the process of cleaning up I lost the edits of my photos from today, no >> big problem. When I got nervous because I wasn’t sure what was happening >> and immediately moved my photos from they paying job I’m working on and then >> tried to back them up and lost them (for a bit) that was a big problem. >> I’ve found them, restored things but am just a wee bit annoyed at Adobe. The >> bug report I’m about to file may be a bit strongly worded. >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Big problem in lightroom classic
What happens if instead of MOVING files & directories, you copy them to the long term copy & onto the first & second level backups. Then once you're sure you (and Lightroom) can find them again you can delete them from the SSD. On 2/14/2022 1:10 AM, Larry Colen wrote: My lightroom workflow involves importing my files onto my SSD, using that for the initial processing then, in lightroom, moving the files onto my primary long term copy and also duplicating onto my first and second level backups. I know better than to move files around outside of lightroom, lightroom gets confused and bad things happen. It turns out that in lightroom classic if I move the directories from one drive to another it gets really confused and loses them. I just spent the past hour or two cleaning up the mess. Fortunately I was able to find the files (in some really messed up locations). In the process of cleaning up I lost the edits of my photos from today, no big problem. When I got nervous because I wasn’t sure what was happening and immediately moved my photos from they paying job I’m working on and then tried to back them up and lost them (for a bit) that was a big problem. I’ve found them, restored things but am just a wee bit annoyed at Adobe. The bug report I’m about to file may be a bit strongly worded. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Big problem in lightroom classic
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 12:54 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > Hi Larry, > > Could it be that LR does not handle properly the expansion of "~" as the home > directory? (E.g. you need to surround it with quotation marks, or something > like that?) Nope, because I just used ~ in my description because it was easier than writing out /Users/lrc > > Sorry, it was rather difficult to understand the step you were doing while > moving the directories - from your initial posting and from the support > ticket you filed with Adobe, but I think I've finally understood it from your > latest response to Godfrey. > I agree it is a weird behavior of LR. I think that they made a mistake converting relative file paths to absolute. > > I also had a big problem with LR and file systems: LR (on Windows) refused to > have its database (catalog) on the Windows network share. At least, that was > the case with LR 3.x. That prevented me from being able to work with the same > LR database conveniently from two computers (laptop that went with me > everywhere and a more powerful desktop that also had PS installed on it), > with the files sitting on the local file-server. > The only viable solution for that required using an external HDD. > > I don't know if LR on Mac allowed the catalog on an NFS-mounted partition. They say it has to be local. > > I actually wonder if the limitations I described might be the reason for how > LR on Mac works with the softlinks to the directory. > > Good luck! Thanks. I’ve got a workaround, just pointing to the actual location of photos_fresh rather than off of my home directory. The difficulty is that when I import a catalog from my laptop the files are in ~/photos_fresh so that’s where it looks on the desktop, which should be convenient because that’s where they are located. I’ll have to rename the directory on the laptop to something else like ~/photos_ret4est so lightroom doesn’t just find them in ~/photos_fresh and choke on it’s own load when it tries to move it. > > Igor > > > > Larry Colen Mon, Feb 14, 2022 5:48 PM wrote: > > I just did a test. My home directory /Users/lrc is symbolically linked to > /Volume/ssd_raid/Users/lrc. > If instead of pointing lightroom at ~/photos_fresh I point it to > /Volume/ssd_raid/Users/lrc/photos_fresh > I can move files from there to my archive drive without problems. > > Lightroom breaks on symbolic links. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Big problem in lightroom classic
Hi Larry, Could it be that LR does not handle properly the expansion of "~" as the home directory? (E.g. you need to surround it with quotation marks, or something like that?) Sorry, it was rather difficult to understand the step you were doing while moving the directories - from your initial posting and from the support ticket you filed with Adobe, but I think I've finally understood it from your latest response to Godfrey. I agree it is a weird behavior of LR. I also had a big problem with LR and file systems: LR (on Windows) refused to have its database (catalog) on the Windows network share. At least, that was the case with LR 3.x. That prevented me from being able to work with the same LR database conveniently from two computers (laptop that went with me everywhere and a more powerful desktop that also had PS installed on it), with the files sitting on the local file-server. The only viable solution for that required using an external HDD. I don't know if LR on Mac allowed the catalog on an NFS-mounted partition. I actually wonder if the limitations I described might be the reason for how LR on Mac works with the softlinks to the directory. Good luck! Igor Larry Colen Mon, Feb 14, 2022 5:48 PM wrote: I just did a test. My home directory /Users/lrc is symbolically linked to /Volume/ssd_raid/Users/lrc. If instead of pointing lightroom at ~/photos_fresh I point it to /Volume/ssd_raid/Users/lrc/photos_fresh I can move files from there to my archive drive without problems. Lightroom breaks on symbolic links. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Big problem in lightroom classic
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 11:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> On Feb 13, 2022, at 10:10 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> Lightroom breaks on symbolic links. >> > > I'm not sure I understand the reasoning behind your movements of files in > this workflow. I do my heavy lifting of processing on the files while they are on the fast SSD. When I’m done I archive them to the big spinny drives. It gives me speed when I need it and it also separates the active files from the archives. > > Or why you're using symbolic links and such. How do you "point lightroom …" > at a symbolically linked file system location? It was never designed to be > used that way, and I'm sure never tested in that context. For reasons my mac pro ended up with two SSDs. A 1TB SATA drive that had been in a laptop at one point and a PCIE card with two 1TB mSATA drives set up as an apple raid, which I had been using as my root drive. However, Catalina will not install/run on an apple RAID so I have to use the SATA as my boot drive for Catalina. That means that I can also use Open Core and boot into High Sierra on the 2TB ssd RAID drive for things that Catalina breaks. By symbolically linking to my home directory on the big drive: 1) I have a lot more space accessible to my home directory than if it were on the smaller drive. 2) No matter which OS I boot into, I always have the same home directory with all of my files. > > It's rarely a good idea to mix using macOS and UNIX file system > commands/directives/concepts with commercial apps that were designed to use > macOS file system interfaces, despite that macOS contains within it a UNIX > kernel. As you said, MacOS is Unix. BSD should be no BFD. > > My backups happen completely external to LR, using backup software that > operates as a completely separate application in the macOS file system. It > moves/duplicates files (both original image files and catalog files) to > archive external storage drives from my working drives (whether internal or > external) seamlessly. LR has never once had any issues with my doing this, > and I've not lost a single file in the course of replacing disk drives gone > bad with data (both catalogs and image files) repopulated from the archives. > I don't know why you'd want to create backups from within LR, if that's what > you're doing (which is hard to figure from the description of your file > workflow). Setting up an automated backup is on my todo list, but the backup procedure is beside the point. I don’t set up backups from within LR. I just use the LR move to move files from the “fast active” drive to the “slow long term storage” drive. Generally if I’m working with files on the spinny it’s only a few at a time, not the large amounts that I’ll generate while photographing an event. > > It seems to me that you might be making some assumptions about the internal > operation of the macOS file system and how LR interacts with it that are not > quite robust. I’m making the assumption that LR properly handles file systems. It’s not rocket surgery. This is the first time I’ve ever used a program that didn’t properly handle this situation. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Big problem in lightroom classic
I just did a test. My home directory /Users/lrc is symbolically linked to /Volume/ssd_raid/Users/lrc. If instead of pointing lightroom at ~/photos_fresh I point it to /Volume/ssd_raid/Users/lrc/photos_fresh I can move files from there to my archive drive without problems. Lightroom breaks on symbolic links. > On Feb 13, 2022, at 10:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > I posted to the Adobe boards about it at > https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/i-tried-moving-directory-trees-and-lightroom-lost-them/idi-p/12750104#M32384 > > > >> On Feb 13, 2022, at 10:10 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> My lightroom workflow involves importing my files onto my SSD, using that >> for the initial processing then, in lightroom, moving the files onto my >> primary long term copy and also duplicating onto my first and second level >> backups. >> >> I know better than to move files around outside of lightroom, lightroom gets >> confused and bad things happen. >> >> It turns out that in lightroom classic if I move the directories from one >> drive to another it gets really confused and loses them. I just spent the >> past hour or two cleaning up the mess. Fortunately I was able to find the >> files (in some really messed up locations). >> >> In the process of cleaning up I lost the edits of my photos from today, no >> big problem. When I got nervous because I wasn’t sure what was happening >> and immediately moved my photos from they paying job I’m working on and then >> tried to back them up and lost them (for a bit) that was a big problem. >> >> I’ve found them, restored things but am just a wee bit annoyed at Adobe. The >> bug report I’m about to file may be a bit strongly worded. >> >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com >> >> >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Big problem in lightroom classic
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 8:15 AM, Bill wrote: > > I've never had that happen with Windows and Lightroom Classic. I wonder if > this as yet another Apple bug that is being placed on Adobe. Are you sure? Have you set up Windows to symbolic link your home directory to another drive so that no matter which drive/OS you boot off of you still have the same home diriectory? > It wouldn't be the first time Apple has broken something and then hidden > behind the "but we're Apple, our shit don't stink" horesecrap. > > bill > > On Mon., Feb. 14, 2022, 12:10 a.m. Larry Colen, wrote: > >> My lightroom workflow involves importing my files onto my SSD, using that >> for the initial processing then, in lightroom, moving the files onto my >> primary long term copy and also duplicating onto my first and second level >> backups. >> >> I know better than to move files around outside of lightroom, lightroom >> gets confused and bad things happen. >> >> It turns out that in lightroom classic if I move the directories from one >> drive to another it gets really confused and loses them. I just spent the >> past hour or two cleaning up the mess. Fortunately I was able to find the >> files (in some really messed up locations). >> >> In the process of cleaning up I lost the edits of my photos from today, no >> big problem. When I got nervous because I wasn’t sure what was happening >> and immediately moved my photos from they paying job I’m working on and >> then tried to back them up and lost them (for a bit) that was a big problem. >> >> I’ve found them, restored things but am just a wee bit annoyed at Adobe. >> The bug report I’m about to file may be a bit strongly worded. >> >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com >> >> >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Big problem in lightroom classic
I've never had that happen with Windows and Lightroom Classic. I wonder if this as yet another Apple bug that is being placed on Adobe. It wouldn't be the first time Apple has broken something and then hidden behind the "but we're Apple, our shit don't stink" horesecrap. bill On Mon., Feb. 14, 2022, 12:10 a.m. Larry Colen, wrote: > My lightroom workflow involves importing my files onto my SSD, using that > for the initial processing then, in lightroom, moving the files onto my > primary long term copy and also duplicating onto my first and second level > backups. > > I know better than to move files around outside of lightroom, lightroom > gets confused and bad things happen. > > It turns out that in lightroom classic if I move the directories from one > drive to another it gets really confused and loses them. I just spent the > past hour or two cleaning up the mess. Fortunately I was able to find the > files (in some really messed up locations). > > In the process of cleaning up I lost the edits of my photos from today, no > big problem. When I got nervous because I wasn’t sure what was happening > and immediately moved my photos from they paying job I’m working on and > then tried to back them up and lost them (for a bit) that was a big problem. > > I’ve found them, restored things but am just a wee bit annoyed at Adobe. > The bug report I’m about to file may be a bit strongly worded. > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Big problem in lightroom classic
I posted to the Adobe boards about it at https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/i-tried-moving-directory-trees-and-lightroom-lost-them/idi-p/12750104#M32384 > On Feb 13, 2022, at 10:10 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > My lightroom workflow involves importing my files onto my SSD, using that for > the initial processing then, in lightroom, moving the files onto my primary > long term copy and also duplicating onto my first and second level backups. > > I know better than to move files around outside of lightroom, lightroom gets > confused and bad things happen. > > It turns out that in lightroom classic if I move the directories from one > drive to another it gets really confused and loses them. I just spent the > past hour or two cleaning up the mess. Fortunately I was able to find the > files (in some really messed up locations). > > In the process of cleaning up I lost the edits of my photos from today, no > big problem. When I got nervous because I wasn’t sure what was happening and > immediately moved my photos from they paying job I’m working on and then > tried to back them up and lost them (for a bit) that was a big problem. > > I’ve found them, restored things but am just a wee bit annoyed at Adobe. The > bug report I’m about to file may be a bit strongly worded. > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
