Re: Pentax MZ-3: is it faster than MZ-5?
On Friday, September 23, 2011 5:17 PM, "Steve Sharpe" wrote: > At 4:00 PM -0400 9/23/11, P. J. Alling wrote: > >I can only compare the MZ-3 to the ZX5n which except for the higher > >top shutter speed on the former were pretty much identical. I > >noticed no difference in operation. AFAIK the only difference > >between the MZ/ZX5 and the 5n version was the addition of a DOF > >preview. > > The 5n had the panorama switch, too. Did the ZX5? It did. Or at least my MZ5 does. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > > > > >On 9/15/2011 10:54 AM, luiz felipe wrote: > >>Just found a MZ-3 offer at acceptable price, and I like the idea of > >>keeping a film body around for moments when risk of theft of the KR > >>is high - currently a job done by an EOS 500n. > >> > >>The MZ-3 looks the MZ-5 with DOF preview and a higher top shutter > >>and X sync speeds. I'm betting the overall feel and almost all of > >>the results will be pretty much the same, but since they came some > >>time apart, maybe they present some other diffs. Maybe faster AF, > >>or shorter shutter lag - I understand they have diff shutters. > >> > >>So, any hands-on experience on both cameras? Second to that, is > >>there any source of info on shutter lag for the MZ-3 and MZ-5? Any > >>comments on the MZ-3? Boz's site shows it to be slightly diff from > >>the MZ-5 in form of grip, so maybe it's significantly better than > >>the MZ-5 - I did have one MZ-5 for a time so I'm using it as > >>reference. > >> > >>TIA, > > -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax MZ-3: is it faster than MZ-5?
On 9/23/2011 4:17 PM, Steve Sharpe wrote: At 4:00 PM -0400 9/23/11, P. J. Alling wrote: I can only compare the MZ-3 to the ZX5n which except for the higher top shutter speed on the former were pretty much identical. I noticed no difference in operation. AFAIK the only difference between the MZ/ZX5 and the 5n version was the addition of a DOF preview. The 5n had the panorama switch, too. Did the ZX5? Wouldn't know, but the only thing the Panorama switch was good for was to give the camera something else to break. On 9/15/2011 10:54 AM, luiz felipe wrote: Just found a MZ-3 offer at acceptable price, and I like the idea of keeping a film body around for moments when risk of theft of the KR is high - currently a job done by an EOS 500n. The MZ-3 looks the MZ-5 with DOF preview and a higher top shutter and X sync speeds. I'm betting the overall feel and almost all of the results will be pretty much the same, but since they came some time apart, maybe they present some other diffs. Maybe faster AF, or shorter shutter lag - I understand they have diff shutters. So, any hands-on experience on both cameras? Second to that, is there any source of info on shutter lag for the MZ-3 and MZ-5? Any comments on the MZ-3? Boz's site shows it to be slightly diff from the MZ-5 in form of grip, so maybe it's significantly better than the MZ-5 - I did have one MZ-5 for a time so I'm using it as reference. TIA, -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax MZ-3: is it faster than MZ-5?
At 4:00 PM -0400 9/23/11, P. J. Alling wrote: I can only compare the MZ-3 to the ZX5n which except for the higher top shutter speed on the former were pretty much identical. I noticed no difference in operation. AFAIK the only difference between the MZ/ZX5 and the 5n version was the addition of a DOF preview. The 5n had the panorama switch, too. Did the ZX5? On 9/15/2011 10:54 AM, luiz felipe wrote: Just found a MZ-3 offer at acceptable price, and I like the idea of keeping a film body around for moments when risk of theft of the KR is high - currently a job done by an EOS 500n. The MZ-3 looks the MZ-5 with DOF preview and a higher top shutter and X sync speeds. I'm betting the overall feel and almost all of the results will be pretty much the same, but since they came some time apart, maybe they present some other diffs. Maybe faster AF, or shorter shutter lag - I understand they have diff shutters. So, any hands-on experience on both cameras? Second to that, is there any source of info on shutter lag for the MZ-3 and MZ-5? Any comments on the MZ-3? Boz's site shows it to be slightly diff from the MZ-5 in form of grip, so maybe it's significantly better than the MZ-5 - I did have one MZ-5 for a time so I'm using it as reference. TIA, -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax MZ-3: is it faster than MZ-5?
I can only compare the MZ-3 to the ZX5n which except for the higher top shutter speed on the former were pretty much identical. I noticed no difference in operation. AFAIK the only difference between the MZ/ZX5 and the 5n version was the addition of a DOF preview. On 9/15/2011 10:54 AM, luiz felipe wrote: Just found a MZ-3 offer at acceptable price, and I like the idea of keeping a film body around for moments when risk of theft of the KR is high - currently a job done by an EOS 500n. The MZ-3 looks the MZ-5 with DOF preview and a higher top shutter and X sync speeds. I'm betting the overall feel and almost all of the results will be pretty much the same, but since they came some time apart, maybe they present some other diffs. Maybe faster AF, or shorter shutter lag - I understand they have diff shutters. So, any hands-on experience on both cameras? Second to that, is there any source of info on shutter lag for the MZ-3 and MZ-5? Any comments on the MZ-3? Boz's site shows it to be slightly diff from the MZ-5 in form of grip, so maybe it's significantly better than the MZ-5 - I did have one MZ-5 for a time so I'm using it as reference. TIA, -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax MZ-3: is it faster than MZ-5?
On 9/16/11 20:48, luiz felipe wrote: Thanks for the comments! I was hoping the MZ-3 would be somewhat quicker than the MZ-5, since the shutter lag and AF speed of said MZ-5 did not impress me when I used one, some time ago. At least the MZ-3 offers DOF preview. I've used an MZ-5n, which like others are saying is a virtually identical camera, quite a lot, and I don't think the AF is as much "slow" as it is "hit or miss". I've also haven't noticed any other lag. I've never tried the MZ-5 for comparison, though, so maybe I'm not being helpful. The MZ-3 (and -5n) also has an exposure lock button, which I think the MZ-5 may be missing. - Toralf Since the intended use for that camera is not high quality but risky situations, AND the current camera is an EOS 500n, probably there will be one more pentax around here. We'll see... Thanks! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax MZ-3: is it faster than MZ-5?
MZ5n also has DoF preview btw. MZ3 has 1/4000 shutter and 1/125 sync. Otherwise, it is the same camera AFAIK. Small details about AF etc. can be found on B. Dimitrov website: (search for MZ-3) http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/technology/AF/index.html 2011/9/16 luiz felipe : > Thanks for the comments! I was hoping the MZ-3 would be somewhat quicker > than the MZ-5, since the shutter lag and AF speed of said MZ-5 did not > impress me when I used one, some time ago. At least the MZ-3 offers DOF > preview. > > Since the intended use for that camera is not high quality but risky > situations, AND the current camera is an EOS 500n, probably there will be > one more pentax around here. We'll see... > > Thanks! > > -- > luiz felipe > luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax MZ-3: is it faster than MZ-5?
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: >> > For what I remember and read in Bojidar's site, the MZ-3 is a MZ-5n with > 1/4000 top speed instead of 1/2000 (the MZ-5n, which I own does have DoF > preview) > http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/film_MZ-ZX/index.html I used to have the MZ-5n & currently an MZ-3. That--for me--is the only difference between the 5n & the 3; I do not seem to see any performance difference between the two. I never used the MZ-5 though so I cannot speak for it in comparison with the latter models. I used the MZ-5n extensively just before shifting to DSLRs, so it was quite beat up (the pop up flash spring is gone for one...something chronic, it seems, with MZs and I remember using it only once) but I sold it when a used MZ-3 came my way. Cheers! -- Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax MZ-3: is it faster than MZ-5?
Jaume Lahuerta wrote: For what I remember and read in Bojidar's site, the MZ-3 is a MZ-5n with 1/4000 top speed instead of 1/2000 (the MZ-5n, which I own does have DoF preview) http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/film_MZ-ZX/index.html Correct. The only difference between the two cameras is the tuning of the shutter. Then, in order to differentiate them a bit more, Pentax equipped the MZ-3 with the data back as standard, while the MZ-5n had it optional. This is true for most markets, but I won't be surprised to see that somewhere the MZ-5n was sold with the data back, and/or the MZ-3 without it. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax MZ-3: is it faster than MZ-5?
> >De: John Francis >Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Enviado: jueves 15 de septiembre de 2011 19:55 >Asunto: Re: Pentax MZ-3: is it faster than MZ-5? > >On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:54:55AM -0300, luiz felipe wrote: >> Just found a MZ-3 offer at acceptable price, and I like the idea of >> keeping a film body around for moments when risk of theft of the KR >> is high - currently a job done by an EOS 500n. >> >> The MZ-3 looks the MZ-5 with DOF preview and a higher top shutter >> and X sync speeds. I'm betting the overall feel and almost all of >> the results will be pretty much the same, but since they came some >> time apart, maybe they present some other diffs. Maybe faster AF, or >> shorter shutter lag - I understand they have diff shutters. >> >> So, any hands-on experience on both cameras? Second to that, is >> there any source of info on shutter lag for the MZ-3 and MZ-5? Any >> comments on the MZ-3? Boz's site shows it to be slightly diff from >> the MZ-5 in form of grip, so maybe it's significantly better than >> the MZ-5 - I did have one MZ-5 for a time so I'm using it as >> reference. > >IIRC, the MZ-3 was the final incarnation of the MZ-5/MZ-5n series, >with incremental improvements in every model. It was initially only >available in Japan (fueling a thriving trade in grey-market imports). >[I know the MZ-S was a later, higher-specced camera, but that was in a >very different body; the MZ-3 is very similar in appearance to a MZ-5] > >I'd be very surprised if the MZ-3 wasn't at least as good as a MZ-5n >on every scale of measurement, and significantly better in some areas. > > For what I remember and read in Bojidar's site, the MZ-3 is a MZ-5n with 1/4000 top speed instead of 1/2000 (the MZ-5n, which I own does have DoF preview) http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/film_MZ-ZX/index.html Regards, Jaume -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax MZ-3: is it faster than MZ-5?
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:54:55AM -0300, luiz felipe wrote: > Just found a MZ-3 offer at acceptable price, and I like the idea of > keeping a film body around for moments when risk of theft of the KR > is high - currently a job done by an EOS 500n. > > The MZ-3 looks the MZ-5 with DOF preview and a higher top shutter > and X sync speeds. I'm betting the overall feel and almost all of > the results will be pretty much the same, but since they came some > time apart, maybe they present some other diffs. Maybe faster AF, or > shorter shutter lag - I understand they have diff shutters. > > So, any hands-on experience on both cameras? Second to that, is > there any source of info on shutter lag for the MZ-3 and MZ-5? Any > comments on the MZ-3? Boz's site shows it to be slightly diff from > the MZ-5 in form of grip, so maybe it's significantly better than > the MZ-5 - I did have one MZ-5 for a time so I'm using it as > reference. IIRC, the MZ-3 was the final incarnation of the MZ-5/MZ-5n series, with incremental improvements in every model. It was initially only available in Japan (fueling a thriving trade in grey-market imports). [I know the MZ-S was a later, higher-specced camera, but that was in a very different body; the MZ-3 is very similar in appearance to a MZ-5] I'd be very surprised if the MZ-3 wasn't at least as good as a MZ-5n on every scale of measurement, and significantly better in some areas. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax MZ-3: is it faster than MZ-5?
Just found a MZ-3 offer at acceptable price, and I like the idea of keeping a film body around for moments when risk of theft of the KR is high - currently a job done by an EOS 500n. The MZ-3 looks the MZ-5 with DOF preview and a higher top shutter and X sync speeds. I'm betting the overall feel and almost all of the results will be pretty much the same, but since they came some time apart, maybe they present some other diffs. Maybe faster AF, or shorter shutter lag - I understand they have diff shutters. So, any hands-on experience on both cameras? Second to that, is there any source of info on shutter lag for the MZ-3 and MZ-5? Any comments on the MZ-3? Boz's site shows it to be slightly diff from the MZ-5 in form of grip, so maybe it's significantly better than the MZ-5 - I did have one MZ-5 for a time so I'm using it as reference. TIA, -- luiz felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
FS: MZ-S plus BG-10 grip, MZ-5 plus battery pack
I know I am late (or early, it depends) as it is not Friday, but I hope you will forgive me. I have 5 Pentax film SLRs and unfortunately I don't use them a lot lately, so I want to sell a pair of them. Firstly, an MZ-S body with very little signs of use, plus the nice BG-10 grip which adds the capability to use AA batteries, plus a second shutter button, infrared remote receiver, etc. The MZ-S is an excellent camera, in many ways the best AF SLR Pentax has made. 450 euros plus shipping expenses. Secondly, an MZ-5 body in excellent condition, also with little signs of use, boxed with its original accessories an instruction manual (Spanish), plus a boxed Fg battery pack, which allows the use of AA batteries, and an F wired remote release. 100 euros plus shipping expenses. If someone is interested, please send a message to my e-mail box, not the list. Thank you for your attention. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
FS: Pentax MZ-5 plus accessories and SMC-A 15 mm. 3.5
I have some items I want to sell and perhaps they may find a good home with another PDML member: Pentax MZ-5 AF SLR, boxed, in excellent + condition, including eyecup, strap (non original) and instruction manual (in Spanish), plus Fg battery pack in like new condition, and cable switch F. I have just bought a second MZ-S, and I don't need the MZ-5 any longer. Everything for 125 euros plus shipping. More info about this camera body in: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/MZ-ZX/mzzx5.html SMC Pentax-A 15 mm. 3.5 in almost like new condition. As many will know, it is one of the best ultra wide lenses ever made. It has the A setting in the aperture ring, so it is compatible with all the exposure modes in Pentax DSLR's. I don't have much use for such an extreme wide angle lens now, so I have to let it go. 600 euros, plus shipping. More info about this lens in: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/ultra-wide/A15f3.5.html Regards, Carlos
FS: Pentax MZ-5 plus accessories and SMC-A 15 mm. 3.5
I have some items I want to sell and perhaps they may find a good home with another PDML member: Pentax MZ-5 AF SLR, boxed, in excellent + condition, including eyecup, strap and instruction manual (in Spanish), plus Fg battery pack in like new condition, and cable switch F. Everything for 125 euros plus shipping. More info about this camera body in: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/MZ-ZX/mzzx5.html SMC Pentax-A 15 mm. 3.5 in almost like new condition. As many will know, it is one of the best ultra wide lenses ever made. It has the A setting in the aperture ring, so it is compatible with all the exposure modes in Pentax DSLR's. I don't have much use for such an extreme wide angle lens now, so, reluctantly, I have to let it go. 600 euros, plus shipping. More info about this lens in: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/ultra-wide/A15f3.5.html Regards, Carlos
Re: MZ-5
Frankie Lee wrote: Are their viewfinder is bright enough in focusing manual lens? I thought so, but I did have some problems in low light with manual focusing. Are they durable in heavy usage? Mine wasn't. Had it repaired twice under extended warranty, once since (at my own expense) and just sold it for parts rather than shell out big bucks to fix yet another failure.
Re: MZ-5
5n also has bracketing. Less useful feature but it is still there. 2005/9/10, Frankie Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi > > Anyone could tell me the major functional difference between MZ-5 and MZ-3? I > may choose one of them. Thanks. > > -- > __ > Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.asiamail.com > Send and receive SMS through your mailbox. > > Powered by Outblaze > > -- -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
Re: MZ-5
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Frankie Lee wrote: Are their viewfinder is bright enough in focusing manual lens? I have no problem even with the MZ-50 (which has a penta-mirror). But your mileage may vary, and the maximum aperture of your lens is a critical factor. Kostas
Re: MZ-5
I've had mixed results. The viewfinders are very good. Much better than those in the rest of the MZ/ZX series. Most of my lenses are manual focus, (K or M series), and I've been very pleased with that aspect of these cameras. (Pentax is an optical company first and foremost). They lack the durability of the most previous Pentaxes. My MZ3 needs work on it's shutter which will probably cost much more than the camera is worth. My ZX(MZ)5n is more or less in mint condition, but since I've gotten a *ist-D it's been collecting dust. If I use film I usually grab an MX or LX depending on my mood. (I should really see about selling the MZ3 and ZX5n but I'm just lazy). Frankie Lee wrote: Are their viewfinder is bright enough in focusing manual lens? Are they durable in heavy usage? === MZ5 No DOF, 100 X sync, 1/2000 top shutter speed. MZ3 DOF, 125 X sync, 1/4000 top shutter speed. Everything else is essentially the same. The MZ5n has DOF preview by the way. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: MZ-5
Hi, A list member loaned me her 5n which I've used a bit. My impression is that it's not going to be as durable as, for example, some of the older, mechanical, metal-bodied cameras, but of course your idea of heavy use and mine may be different. The viewfinder seems OK, although I've only used it with fast glass - no lens slower than a 1.8 aperture. The Mz-5 and 5n, as well as the Mz-3, are nice little cameras if their feature set is acceptable to you. Personally, I'd rather have a good, solid MX ... ;-)) but the MZ cameras have auto focus and a few other features that many people seem to like. It's a nice "second" camera for me. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Frankie Lee > Are their viewfinder is bright enough in focusing manual lens? > > Are they durable in heavy usage? > > > === > MZ5 No DOF, 100 X sync, 1/2000 top shutter speed. > MZ3 DOF, 125 X sync, 1/4000 top shutter speed. > Everything else is essentially the same. > The MZ5n has DOF preview by the way.
Re: MZ-5
Are their viewfinder is bright enough in focusing manual lens? Are they durable in heavy usage? === MZ5 No DOF, 100 X sync, 1/2000 top shutter speed. MZ3 DOF, 125 X sync, 1/4000 top shutter speed. Everything else is essentially the same. The MZ5n has DOF preview by the way. -- __ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.asiamail.com Send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze
Re: MZ-5
MZ5 No DOF, 100 X sync, 1/2000 top shutter speed. MZ3 DOF, 125 X sync, 1/4000 top shutter speed. Everything else is essentially the same. The MZ5n has DOF preview by the way. Frankie Lee wrote: Hi Anyone could tell me the major functional difference between MZ-5 and MZ-3? I may choose one of them. Thanks. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
SV: MZ-5
The MZ-S is a very recommendable piece of photographic hardware. Jens Bladt Arkitekt MAA http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 10. september 2005 19:33 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: MZ-5 On Sun, 11 Sep 2005, Frankie Lee wrote: > Anyone could tell me the major functional difference between MZ-5 and MZ-3? I may choose one of them. Thanks. http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/MZ-ZX/index.html and the links hanging off it. The -5n is closer to the -3 than to the -5. When looking for an upgrade (no cripple mount) to my -50 I rejected the -5 as it did not have DOF preview and exposure ML. I also rejected the -3 on grounds of (unjustified to me, just a slightly faster shutter) cost and it was a toss-up between the -5n and the -6 (which has very good flash features, in addition to DOF preview and exposure ML), but has a penta-mirror, rather than a penta-prism. If I was to make the same decision again, I would again hold the same toss-up, and the first one to arrive at a good price I would buy. Except if one could stretch to the MZ-S, which is my ultimate goal right now. HTH, Kostas
Re: MZ-5
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005, Frankie Lee wrote: Anyone could tell me the major functional difference between MZ-5 and MZ-3? I may choose one of them. Thanks. http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/MZ-ZX/index.html and the links hanging off it. The -5n is closer to the -3 than to the -5. When looking for an upgrade (no cripple mount) to my -50 I rejected the -5 as it did not have DOF preview and exposure ML. I also rejected the -3 on grounds of (unjustified to me, just a slightly faster shutter) cost and it was a toss-up between the -5n and the -6 (which has very good flash features, in addition to DOF preview and exposure ML), but has a penta-mirror, rather than a penta-prism. If I was to make the same decision again, I would again hold the same toss-up, and the first one to arrive at a good price I would buy. Except if one could stretch to the MZ-S, which is my ultimate goal right now. HTH, Kostas
RE: MZ-5
Look at Dimitrov's website: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ MZ-3 30 ~ 1/4000 sec., flash sync.: 1/125 ~ 30 MZ-5n 30 ~ 1/2000 sec., flash sync.: 1/100 ~ 30 MZ-5 30 ~ 1/2000 sec., flash sync.: 1/100 ~ 30 I guess the speed issues are the most obvous an important differences. 1/125 flash sync is not tooy fast, but bcertainly better than 1/100 sec. MZ 3 is the newest model: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ Regards Jens Bladt Arkitekt MAA http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Frankie Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 10. september 2005 18:55 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: MZ-5 Hi Anyone could tell me the major functional difference between MZ-5 and MZ-3? I may choose one of them. Thanks. -- __ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.asiamail.com Send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze
RE: MZ-5
There is little difference, except a faster shutter speed on the 3. But this comparing the MZ-3 and the MZ-5n. The MZ-5 has less features and doesn't sound or feel as well built as the newer 5n version. I've not owned the 3 but I have 2 5n's and am very pleased. The specs for them can be found here: http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/ Don > -Original Message- > From: Frankie Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:55 AM > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: MZ-5 > > > Hi > > Anyone could tell me the major functional difference between MZ-5 > and MZ-3? I may choose one of them. Thanks. > > -- > __ > Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.asiamail.com > Send and receive SMS through your mailbox. > > Powered by Outblaze >
MZ-5
Hi Anyone could tell me the major functional difference between MZ-5 and MZ-3? I may choose one of them. Thanks. -- __ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.asiamail.com Send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze
Re: Dishonest auction - again (and MZ-5 vs MZ-5n)
Toralf Lund a écrit : [ ... ] MZ-5, and claiming that there are just cosmetical differences between the two. Just in case I'm the one who's it wrong, isn't that quite wrong, or downright dishonest? Doesn't the MZ-5n have a number of updates to the *functionality* compared to the MZ-5? (Bojidar Dimitrov's page says it does, I think.) - Toralf At least DOF prreview which is enough to make a BIG difference to me To me too. It's the difference between an SLR that I'll buy and one I won't. Yep. That was sort of what I was thinking, too. Autobracketing, which isn't a deal-maker for me personally, is a significant difference also IMO. So, the MZ-5 doesn't have that, either? How about exposure lock? - T MZ-5 has exposure lock AFAIK - Thibouille
Re: Dishonest auction - again (and MZ-5 vs MZ-5n)
[ ... ] MZ-5, and claiming that there are just cosmetical differences between the two. Just in case I'm the one who's it wrong, isn't that quite wrong, or downright dishonest? Doesn't the MZ-5n have a number of updates to the *functionality* compared to the MZ-5? (Bojidar Dimitrov's page says it does, I think.) - Toralf At least DOF prreview which is enough to make a BIG difference to me To me too. It's the difference between an SLR that I'll buy and one I won't. Yep. That was sort of what I was thinking, too. Autobracketing, which isn't a deal-maker for me personally, is a significant difference also IMO. So, the MZ-5 doesn't have that, either? How about exposure lock? - T
Re: Dishonest auction - again (and MZ-5 vs MZ-5n)
Quoting Thibs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Toralf Lund a écrit : > > So, this guy is trying again... See > > > > http://my.qxl.no/accdb/viewItem.asp?IDI=13556944 > > > > I've mentioned the item before - fortunately it would appear that there > > were no bidders at the time. The price is somewhat reduced, now, but > > he's still including the picture of an MZ-5n even though he's selling an > > > MZ-5, and claiming that there are just cosmetical differences between > > the two. Just in case I'm the one who's it wrong, isn't that quite > > wrong, or downright dishonest? Doesn't the MZ-5n have a number of > > updates to the *functionality* compared to the MZ-5? (Bojidar Dimitrov's > > > page says it does, I think.) > > > > - Toralf > > > > > > > > > At least DOF prreview which is enough to make a BIG difference to me To me too. It's the difference between an SLR that I'll buy and one I won't. Autobracketing, which isn't a deal-maker for me personally, is a significant difference also IMO. ERNR
Re: Dishonest auction - again (and MZ-5 vs MZ-5n)
Toralf Lund a écrit : So, this guy is trying again... See http://my.qxl.no/accdb/viewItem.asp?IDI=13556944 I've mentioned the item before - fortunately it would appear that there were no bidders at the time. The price is somewhat reduced, now, but he's still including the picture of an MZ-5n even though he's selling an MZ-5, and claiming that there are just cosmetical differences between the two. Just in case I'm the one who's it wrong, isn't that quite wrong, or downright dishonest? Doesn't the MZ-5n have a number of updates to the *functionality* compared to the MZ-5? (Bojidar Dimitrov's page says it does, I think.) - Toralf At least DOF prreview which is enough to make a BIG difference to me --- Thibouille
Dishonest auction - again (and MZ-5 vs MZ-5n)
So, this guy is trying again... See http://my.qxl.no/accdb/viewItem.asp?IDI=13556944 I've mentioned the item before - fortunately it would appear that there were no bidders at the time. The price is somewhat reduced, now, but he's still including the picture of an MZ-5n even though he's selling an MZ-5, and claiming that there are just cosmetical differences between the two. Just in case I'm the one who's it wrong, isn't that quite wrong, or downright dishonest? Doesn't the MZ-5n have a number of updates to the *functionality* compared to the MZ-5? (Bojidar Dimitrov's page says it does, I think.) - Toralf
Re: Can I use DA 16-45/f4 on my MZ-5?
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Andre Langevin wrote: > >You can see this by mounting the DA onto the MZ-5. Through the > >viewfinder you'll see that there is severe vingetting up until about > >20mm, and there is still some up until the mid to high 20mm range. > > > >Beyond there it looks like it'll work (I haven't tried it), but it is > >an awfully big lens to carry around for such a short functional zoom > >range (roughly 28mm to 45mm). > > > >alex > > Is what we see on the "vignetted" 20mm side larger than what we see > at the 28mm focal lenght? If so, it is usefull at 20mm although some > photo editing will be needed. I'm guessing on the 28 because I've never run film through with the lens, I've just looked through the viewfinder. The viewfinder isn't 100% field of view and I find it hard to notice light vingetting on the edge of the MZ-5n viewfinder (an issue which cost me a few frames when I had two stacked filters on a 24/2.8 lens). alex
Re: Can I use DA 16-45/f4 on my MZ-5?
On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, William M Kane wrote: We've discussed this issue, and decided that the circle created by the DA lenses is optimized for the smaller sensor area of the *ist D. Therefore, the DA will not produce a full frame image on a normal 35mm camera. You can see this by mounting the DA onto the MZ-5. Through the viewfinder you'll see that there is severe vingetting up until about 20mm, and there is still some up until the mid to high 20mm range. Beyond there it looks like it'll work (I haven't tried it), but it is an awfully big lens to carry around for such a short functional zoom range (roughly 28mm to 45mm). alex Is what we see on the "vignetted" 20mm side larger than what we see at the 28mm focal lenght? If so, it is usefull at 20mm although some photo editing will be needed. Andre
Re: Can I use DA 16-45/f4 on my MZ-5?
On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, William M Kane wrote: > We've discussed this issue, and decided that the circle created by > the DA lenses is optimized for the smaller sensor area of the *ist D. > Therefore, the DA will not produce a full frame image on a normal 35mm > camera. You can see this by mounting the DA onto the MZ-5. Through the viewfinder you'll see that there is severe vingetting up until about 20mm, and there is still some up until the mid to high 20mm range. Beyond there it looks like it'll work (I haven't tried it), but it is an awfully big lens to carry around for such a short functional zoom range (roughly 28mm to 45mm). alex
Re: Can I use DA 16-45/f4 on my MZ-5?
Hi Guoping, on 07 Mar 04 you wrote in pentax.list: >this question bothered me a long time, and still couldn't find any answer. >Thanks. You can, but - you have no aperture priority as you cannot choose the aperture on the lens - the image circle is reduced at focal ranges below 22mm. Above 22mm the lens offers a full 35mm image circle Cheers, Heiko
Re: MZ-5/6/7
First, forget the MZ7 Then, using a MZ, it is better to be handled with the grip all have disconnectable bip sound MZ5n to be prefered than the MZ5 MZ6 is a good felow, but different handle than MZ5n Viewer is quite same with Z1p > > Considering to buy MZ-5/6/7 as backup camera. I would like to have your > opinion/experience on: > > Any focus confirmation bip sound with K/M/A lens? > > Is the viewfinder dimmer and smaller than Z1P? > > Any imbalance feeling if mounted with a bit large SMC K 135/2.5? > > Durability? > > > Thanks. > > -- > __ > Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.asiamail.com > Send and receive SMS through your mailbox. >
Re: MZ-5
Hi! MZ-5 has classic interface and viewscreen with a little larger maginification than other two cameras... It is 0.8 against 0.7. But I may be mistaken. Formally, MZ-5 is considered to be one/half class higher than MZ-30 or MZ-7. Also, MZ-30 has a crippled mount so should be considered big no-no. Indeed, you can point your browser to kmp.bdimitrov.de - the Pentax "Bible" and see for yourself ... I have MZ-6 but shoot mostly with ME Super... HTH. Boris
RE: MZ-5
Trevor, You can check this web site to compare the features of different auto focus bodies. Very useful http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Trevor Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MZ-5 G'day Boris. Why would you choose the MZ-5 over the others? Does it have more features? I look forward to your reply. Thanks, Hooroo. Regards, Trevor -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 15 December 2003 5:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hi! If these three were only choice, I would choose MZ-5. To me it looks like the best option. If however MZ-6 and/or MZ-5n are an option then I would chose either of these... Just MHO. Boris
RE: MZ-5
G'day Boris. Why would you choose the MZ-5 over the others? Does it have more features? I look forward to your reply. Thanks, Hooroo. Regards, Trevor -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 15 December 2003 5:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hi! If these three were only choice, I would choose MZ-5. To me it looks like the best option. If however MZ-6 and/or MZ-5n are an option then I would chose either of these... Just MHO. Boris
FS: Metz 50 MZ 5 Flash + 2 Pentax TTL modules (early start of FS Friday)
LN (KEH) Metz 50 MZ-5 Flash (except the original box) including the original non-ttl module and both Pentax dedicated TTL modules: (SCA-372, SCA-3701 M2) one for MF bodies, especially the LX; one for AF bodies like the (P)Z-1(p) and later. I should also have the Extension Cable (for use in between the controller and the flash body). All original manuals included as well. Euro (or USD) 400, including shipping worldwide. I have used the flash only occasionally for some family and macro shots. The battery has been routinely discharged/charged every now and then to keep it alive and well. It is practically brand new. I don't like flash photography that much and the flash takes up too much space in the equipment cabinet... ;-) Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 500 789 753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 10 264 0777 *
FS: MZ-5 and accessories
A friend asked me to is I knew of anyone interested in this kit: I vouch for the integrity of the vendor. If interested, please respond to Ben Checkowy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pentax MZ-5 SLR, complete with accessory battery adapter that allows you to use AA batteries, manual and automatic modes and small pop-up flash. Sigma 28-200 zoom (Pentax K-mount of course). Pentax AF-500ftz tilt/swivel external flash plus camera case, circular polarizing filter, close up filter. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: MZ-5
I had an MZ-5 for three months, and traded it in for an MZ-5n the week after I read about the new model, as I found the lack of AE lock and depth of field preview very inconvenient. The auto-bracketing, though, was not that important. Also, the details on the MZ-5n give it a more 'quality' feel, e.g. engraved rather than silk-screened markings on the dials, and nicer handgrip. The layout of the controls is better on the 5n, especially the meter pattern and drive mode switches. Mechanically speaking, they work equally well. Pat White - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: flash for a MZ-5
- Original Message - From: Paris, Leonard Subject: RE: flash for a MZ-5 > I think it's an issue with both the camera body and the flash. At least I > know that the flash units I have for my PZ-1p, the AF500FTZ, and the Metz > 45CT4's adapter both have a switch that must be set to the second curtain > sync position before they will work that way. But you are right in that, if > the camera body doesn't support second curtain sync, it doesn't matter > whether the flash supports it or not. The implementation tends to be a switch on the flash, I expect because camera interfaces are already far too complicated for another switch, and to ensure that manufacturers can sell new flash units, but the feature is 100% camera body. If second curtain sync was actuated by a switch on the body, any flash would support it. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: flash for a MZ-5
That is not a flash issue, but a camera issue. - Original Message - From: Debra Wilborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:25 PM Subject: Re: flash for a MZ-5 > Can the AF280T do second-curtain sync? I am also in > need of a flash for a ZX-5N. That is not a flash issue, but a camera issue. Get something with an AF illuminator. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: flash for a MZ-5
Hi, I would suggest AF280T. It can do ~almost~ everything. Reasonably powerful, it has a bouce and swivel head, wide and tele adaptors are available (although wide adaptor is useless, IMO), it can work with older Pentax bodies, you can get it for less then 100$ used. If you want a smaller and cheaper unit, AF220T will do well, it works perfect on MZ-5, but it features a bounce head only but no sviwel which is the reason I don't use it anymore. Cao, Matjaz > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Piet Smit wrote: > > If I buy a pentax flash or one made for a pentax camera will I be > > able to flash with all shutter speeds? And can anyone suggest a > > flash? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: flash for a MZ-5
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Piet Smit wrote: > I've already used a flash which was not made for pentax, but on auto setting it will >flash, > and there is one shutter speed that I can set so it will also flash. > > If I buy a pentax flash or one made for a pentax camera will I be able to flash with >all > shutter speeds? And can anyone suggest a flash? The first thing to do with this kind of subject is to see if you really need a flash. Set your camera to ISO 800 or ISO1600 and spot-meter on a face. If you can get a reasonable meter reading (say > 1/30) you're set. Use that film, get and use a monopod, and you'll get some good shots with natural light. You'll see the throwee blurred and the thrower steady - looks great if you the one throwing! dave -- dave o'brien - http://www.diaspoir.net Q: Heard about the who couldn't spell? A: He spent the night in a warehouse. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: flash for a MZ-5
Yes, the 283 or the 285HV are very good flashes but you will still have to shoot at 1/100th or slower. You will also lose TTL flash capability. The Pentax AF500FTZ is a great flash for shooting indoor sports, like Judo. Pick a lens aperture that will force the flash to output more light than the ambient level and the flash itself will stop the action for you, if that's what you want to do. Len --- -Original Message- From: David Chang-Sang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: flash for a MZ-5 The MZ-5 (as far as I'm aware) has a flash sync of 1/100 or slower. Anything faster than that and the flash will likely be out of sync or not flash at all. You'll probably get, if you try 1/200 or faster, part of the image exposed and part of the image becoming totally underexposed or black due to the sync issue. For flashes, I always suggest a great inexpensive yet reliable Vivitar 283. It's a workhorse that suits just about any canera I've ever used. Cheers, Dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: flash for a MZ-5
The MZ-5 (as far as I'm aware) has a flash sync of 1/100 or slower. Anything faster than that and the flash will likely be out of sync or not flash at all. You'll probably get, if you try 1/200 or faster, part of the image exposed and part of the image becoming totally underexposed or black due to the sync issue. For flashes, I always suggest a great inexpensive yet reliable Vivitar 283. It's a workhorse that suits just about any canera I've ever used. Cheers, Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Piet Smit Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: flash for a MZ-5 Hi, I'm starting to make pictures of judo classes in our gym, but I've found that the build in flash of the MZ-5 doesn't give enough light. I've already used a flash which was not made for pentax, but on auto setting it will flash, and there is one shutter speed that I can set so it will also flash. If I buy a pentax flash or one made for a pentax camera will I be able to flash with all shutter speeds? And can anyone suggest a flash? thanx.. __ http://mail.lycos.nl/ - Gratis E-mail - Nu 15 MB opslagruimte - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc)
Ah, but the house has much higher humidity than my car on a cold frosty... and you of course correct we see this happen day in and day out in the house. But warming cold dry air gives quite dry warm air -- as I recall--- or at least that has been my reasoning. For example, on several visits to Harbin, China in Jan. Feb. (some where I have some interesting shots/slides taken of figures at the ice festivals there) the outdoor temp beats a freezer by lots let alone a fridge. When using my camera in those conditions, I noticed very little condensation on the camera while getting in an out of our car (necessity to keep from ..) sometimes from morning into evening at the festival. On one trip one of group had gear with condensation sensor and the only time I remember it squawking was once on leaving the hotel. So, I was just curious about your "observations." Otis Pål Audun Jensen wrote: > Otis wrote: > > >Having spent a fair bit of time in cooler climes, I'm not sure your example > >supports this point. Depending on the air flow in the car and no. of > >occupants, it would seem the humidity in the car might be quite low and > >condensation on leaving the vehicle minimal and to the extent any occurs, it > >would be quickly reversed on reentering the vehicle. Am I missing > >something? > > If you take an icy cold camera into a warm car you'll get condensation. > Just try to put your camera into the fridge and then take it out in room > temperature after a few hours. > > Pål > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
flash for a MZ-5
Hi, I'm starting to make pictures of judo classes in our gym, but I've found that the build in flash of the MZ-5 doesn't give enough light. I've already used a flash which was not made for pentax, but on auto setting it will flash, and there is one shutter speed that I can set so it will also flash. If I buy a pentax flash or one made for a pentax camera will I be able to flash with all shutter speeds? And can anyone suggest a flash? thanx.. __ http://mail.lycos.nl/ - Gratis E-mail - Nu 15 MB opslagruimte - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc)
Otis wrote: >Having spent a fair bit of time in cooler climes, I'm not sure your example >supports this point. Depending on the air flow in the car and no. of >occupants, it would seem the humidity in the car might be quite low and >condensation on leaving the vehicle minimal and to the extent any occurs, it >would be quickly reversed on reentering the vehicle. Am I missing >something? If you take an icy cold camera into a warm car you'll get condensation. Just try to put your camera into the fridge and then take it out in room temperature after a few hours. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc)
I worked on an advertising account of a European automobile manufacturer in the eighties. We shot a commercial on the beach at Normandy one year and were unaware of the pattern of the tides. To make a long story short, we drowned a $100,000 car in the salt water. We did manage to pull it out after it had been completely submerged, but it wouldn't run, and the manufacturer's engineers decided that it could not be salvaged. The body parts were removed, as were some other hardware fixtures, but the rest of the car was crushed for salvage. Salt water is a very bad thing. Paul Alan Chan wrote: > >Anyway, lets change the initial question: The camera has been exposed to > >salt water (though not soaked in it), ceased to function, and come back to > >life. A service engineer found moisture related damages on a circuit board > >and claims that "ok, it works now, but you never know for how long. It > >might > >die as soon as it gets humid again, or start measuring exposure > >incorrectly, > >or it might just work forever". Would you, based upon your experience, > >trust > >his verdict or would you get a new body just to be safe? Comments? > > I GUESS what he mean was some parts would likely be corroded by sodium. > Logic dictates you might soak the whole thing in flesh water and flush any > sodium out (with covers removed). Let it dry and it should be back to normal > again. But then this is a very crazy idea and takes lots of gut. No, I > wouldn't do it myself unless I knew I could not get the sodium out any other > way. And of course, only if you could afford to lose it. > > >p.s. I'm leaving for a very special trip in September and I have to be able > >to trust my camera. If I can trust it I'll keep it, I don't like throwing > >perfectly good stuff away. If, however, there are reasons to believe the > >service guys I don't mind spending the money for a new body, even a MZ-S. > >d.s. > > I have a feeling that the MX shows its ago after 20 years, and neither your > MX nor MZ-3 is dependable (I could be wrong of course). > > regards, > Alan Chan > > _ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc)
Not such a big gamble. Most modern pc fab processes wash boards with deionized water now. But, as you say, remember to use distilled water. Otis Brendan wrote: > We routinely wash laptop mother boards out in > distilled water after users spill coffee on them, it's > a 50/50 chance we take but if it works after 3 days > drying off it tends to be reliable. Remember distilled > water not tap water and this is only after we > confirmed liquid spills on the board. > > --- Alan Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Anyway, lets change the initial question: The > > camera has been exposed to > > >salt water (though not soaked in it), ceased to > > function, and come back to > > >life. A service engineer found moisture related > > damages on a circuit board > > >and claims that "ok, it works now, but you never > > know for how long. It > > >might > > >die as soon as it gets humid again, or start > > measuring exposure > > >incorrectly, > > >or it might just work forever". Would you, based > > upon your experience, > > >trust > > >his verdict or would you get a new body just to be > > safe? Comments? > > > > I GUESS what he mean was some parts would likely be > > corroded by sodium. > > Logic dictates you might soak the whole thing in > > flesh water and flush any > > sodium out (with covers removed). Let it dry and it > > should be back to normal > > again. But then this is a very crazy idea and takes > > lots of gut. No, I > > wouldn't do it myself unless I knew I could not get > > the sodium out any other > > way. And of course, only if you could afford to lose > > it. > > > > >p.s. I'm leaving for a very special trip in > > September and I have to be able > > >to trust my camera. If I can trust it I'll keep it, > > I don't like throwing > > >perfectly good stuff away. If, however, there are > > reasons to believe the > > >service guys I don't mind spending the money for a > > new body, even a MZ-S. > > >d.s. > > > > I have a feeling that the MX shows its ago after 20 > > years, and neither your > > MX nor MZ-3 is dependable (I could be wrong of > > course). > > > > regards, > > Alan Chan > > > > > > > _ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > > your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. > > To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. > > Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at > > http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > __ > Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc)
Having spent a fair bit of time in cooler climes, I'm not sure your example supports this point. Depending on the air flow in the car and no. of occupants, it would seem the humidity in the car might be quite low and condensation on leaving the vehicle minimal and to the extent any occurs, it would be quickly reversed on reentering the vehicle. Am I missing something? Cheers Otis Pål Audun Jensen wrote: > Antti-Pekka wrote: > > >And in our northern weather, I'd be suprised not to find some condensated > >moisture > >inside a not so well sealed camera... > > When shooting aurora Borealis I bring my gear in and out of a warm car out > in freezing cold, something the camera manuals advice against, > condensations have never caused any harm and I've done this for years. > > Pål > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc)
Well, that's about what I thought, except that since I have an MX and don't really need the MZ-3 for a backup it could be fun just to remove the cover to see what the damages look like. No hope to achieve anything, just pure curiosity... > -Original Message- > From: Pål Audun Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: den 13 mars 2002 14:11 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc) > > > Erik wrote: > > > >Anyway, lets change the initial question: The camera has > been exposed to > >salt water (though not soaked in it), ceased to function, > and come back to > >life. A service engineer found moisture related damages on a > circuit board > >and claims that "ok, it works now, but you never know for > how long. It might > >die as soon as it gets humid again, or start measuring > exposure incorrectly, > >or it might just work forever". Would you, based upon your > experience, trust > >his verdict or would you get a new body just to be safe? Comments? > > > I would trust him. I cannot see what you gain in opening it > yourself. What > the technician probably is saying is that the only way to be > sure is to > replace the damaged parts something that's not worthwhile. I > think you > should keep it as a backup and buy an MZ-S anyway. > > > Pål > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc)
Erik wrote: >Anyway, lets change the initial question: The camera has been exposed to >salt water (though not soaked in it), ceased to function, and come back to >life. A service engineer found moisture related damages on a circuit board >and claims that "ok, it works now, but you never know for how long. It might >die as soon as it gets humid again, or start measuring exposure incorrectly, >or it might just work forever". Would you, based upon your experience, trust >his verdict or would you get a new body just to be safe? Comments? I would trust him. I cannot see what you gain in opening it yourself. What the technician probably is saying is that the only way to be sure is to replace the damaged parts something that's not worthwhile. I think you should keep it as a backup and buy an MZ-S anyway. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc)
Erik wrote: > Erik Wrote: >Actually the camera works, but they can't >guarantee for how long. If it works, why bother? My LX got soaked about 10 years ago and after it dried it worked perfectly and still does. This summer i dropped my cell phone in a river. After two months it started working again. If it is fresh water damage, there is a good chance it will start working again after it dries up. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc)
>Thanks, I'll try tonight. Actually the camera works, but they can't >guarantee for how long. They also said that moisture has a habit of >wandering inside the body, so even if they replace the parts that appear to >be damaged some other part might malfunction later. Basically they thought >they needed to replace everything inside the body... > >I don't question their judgment, I'm just curious of what the damage looks >like. It's still winter in Stockholm, I spend most of the photo time in the >darkroom so my MX is sufficient for now, and I have already started saving >money for a MZ-S (looking forward to the summer)! The MZ-3 will be my >indoor >studio body, or something like that. If it's still working fine, I would strongly suggest against disassemble it. I would highly recommend you put it inside a sealed (GLAD or ZipLock is good) plastic with lots of silica gel for a month. Disassemble a camera could be fun, but not so when you had no experience and disaster will likely to happen. If it's working fine now, I don't see why it will fail later, unless something is rusting inside. Since MZ-3 is not a sealed camera, silica gel should be able to draw all the moisture out. So don't worry too much imo. regards, Alan Chan _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc)
Thanks, I'll try tonight. Actually the camera works, but they can't guarantee for how long. They also said that moisture has a habit of wandering inside the body, so even if they replace the parts that appear to be damaged some other part might malfunction later. Basically they thought they needed to replace everything inside the body... I don't question their judgment, I'm just curious of what the damage looks like. It's still winter in Stockholm, I spend most of the photo time in the darkroom so my MX is sufficient for now, and I have already started saving money for a MZ-S (looking forward to the summer)! The MZ-3 will be my indoor studio body, or something like that. Erik > -Original Message- > From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: den 13 mars 2002 10:22 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc) > > > >My beloved MZ-3 was fatally injured during a rainforest hike > last year, and > >Pentax Sweden has given the verdict "costs more to repair > than to buy a new > >body". The reason is moisture on a circuit board, I guess > under the top > >cover beneath the shutter release and the shutter speed > selector. I would > >like to open the camera, just out of curiousity. Does > anybode know how this > >is supposed to be done without damaging anything? Do I need > any special > >tools? > > If it's built like the MZ-M, then all you need is small cross point > screwdriver. Basically there are 5 parts to remove (top, > bottom, both side, > and the one near the camera mount). The bottom plate will > come off 1st. No > special skill is required except you must be very very > careful not to break > any wires or lose any screws. The spring loaded contacts on > the mount should > be held as a module so it will be easier to work with (unlike > older KA > bodies). One thing to remember is the capacitors of the flash > might still > hold some charge which could be dangerous. If it's the > moisture only, you > might try to put it in a sealed plastic bag with lots of > silica gel for a > few weeks and see if it worked. If the circuit is fired, the > camera is > doomed basically. > > regards, > Alan Chan > > > _ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc)
>My beloved MZ-3 was fatally injured during a rainforest hike last year, and >Pentax Sweden has given the verdict "costs more to repair than to buy a new >body". The reason is moisture on a circuit board, I guess under the top >cover beneath the shutter release and the shutter speed selector. I would >like to open the camera, just out of curiousity. Does anybode know how this >is supposed to be done without damaging anything? Do I need any special >tools? If it's built like the MZ-M, then all you need is small cross point screwdriver. Basically there are 5 parts to remove (top, bottom, both side, and the one near the camera mount). The bottom plate will come off 1st. No special skill is required except you must be very very careful not to break any wires or lose any screws. The spring loaded contacts on the mount should be held as a module so it will be easier to work with (unlike older KA bodies). One thing to remember is the capacitors of the flash might still hold some charge which could be dangerous. If it's the moisture only, you might try to put it in a sealed plastic bag with lots of silica gel for a few weeks and see if it worked. If the circuit is fired, the camera is doomed basically. regards, Alan Chan _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
How to open a MZ-3? (or MZ-5, ZX-5 etc)
Hi, My beloved MZ-3 was fatally injured during a rainforest hike last year, and Pentax Sweden has given the verdict "costs more to repair than to buy a new body". The reason is moisture on a circuit board, I guess under the top cover beneath the shutter release and the shutter speed selector. I would like to open the camera, just out of curiousity. Does anybode know how this is supposed to be done without damaging anything? Do I need any special tools? best regards, Erik - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
Bill, Yes, the MZ-5 has a setting for 1/100, but even when I had it on that setting the camera told me it was going to use 1/60. No matter what manual shutter speed you've set on the camera, if it sees a charged flash then it sets the shutter speed to the flash sync speed, which used to be 1/100 but now seems to be 1/60! Richard. home page: www.richard-seaman.com original message From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed! Doesn't the MZ-5 have a setting on the shutter speed dial for 1/100? Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:51:05 -0500, you wrote: >Wow, that must be one fast baby and some real fast adults too! Looks >more like 1/6 second to me than 1/60. Actually, I kind of like the >effect, and I'm note sure I'd like the photo any better if it were >static. But, I'll admit I'm weird that way. You're not the only one. The mother and grandmother just love that photo. And yes, the baby suddenly moved very fast, and the adults matched suit. But after thinking about your comment, I tend to agree the shutter must have been much slower than 1/60. I took the photo with a digital camera with one nagging problem - every time I rotate the command dial to review a photo, it reverts back to some auto Tv-Av setting (rather than my manual settings) when I switch back to photo mode. I had been shooting at 1/125 flash sync. In this case I think the camera reverted to 1/30 or slower unbeknownst to me. It only meters for ambient when an external flash is attached, so a very slow shutter speed is likely. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Kent Gittings wrote: > Camera doesn't know the focal length of the lens only the amount of light > getting through which is very low at that end. The lens only sends aperture > into or in A mode the camera sets the aperture to the lens. > Kent Gittings When using the ftz500 with a Z-1p or MZ-5, the flash adjusts to the length of the lens and tells you which focal length it is using. It must be getting transmitted somehow. dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
I'm not saying it's not possible. but in a Pentax it might require another contact point on both body and lens I think. Still I think when Minolta added the ADI function on the Maxxum 7 it did it over the so-called data contact where the lens and camera body exchange info. So it didn't require anything new as long as both lens and body had the function. Still in a Pentax it would require that the new and older lenses had that function built in and I don't remember any Pentax zooms having a contact on the zoom ring except for the old FA lenses with the power zoom features. Maybe all their zooms have the contact and it has been unused till currently. and they wanted to use it for something since the power zoom feature has been removed from the bodies. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Brogden Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed! On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Kent Gittings wrote: > Camera doesn't know the focal length of the lens only the amount of light > getting through which is very low at that end. The lens only sends aperture > into or in A mode the camera sets the aperture to the lens. > Kent Gittings This is probably true of the MZ-5, but just as a FYI, I've heard that the MZ-7 and newer Pentaxes do communicate focal length information to the body. That's why, on "portrait" mode, they'll select a large aperture when the lens is zoomed in (to blur the background behind a person) and a much smaller one when the lens is set to a wider angle (it assumes you're doing a group shot and tries to maximize your DOF). Note that I've never actually tested this myself to see if it's true; that's just what I've heard from my Pentax rep. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Kent Gittings wrote: > Camera doesn't know the focal length of the lens only the amount of light > getting through which is very low at that end. The lens only sends aperture > into or in A mode the camera sets the aperture to the lens. > Kent Gittings This is probably true of the MZ-5, but just as a FYI, I've heard that the MZ-7 and newer Pentaxes do communicate focal length information to the body. That's why, on "portrait" mode, they'll select a large aperture when the lens is zoomed in (to blur the background behind a person) and a much smaller one when the lens is set to a wider angle (it assumes you're doing a group shot and tries to maximize your DOF). Note that I've never actually tested this myself to see if it's true; that's just what I've heard from my Pentax rep. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
Camera doesn't know the focal length of the lens only the amount of light getting through which is very low at that end. The lens only sends aperture into or in A mode the camera sets the aperture to the lens. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard Seaman Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed! Todd, Thanks for this idea, but actually, I was using a Tokina 150-500mm "A" lens, at the 500mm end! Perhaps the contacts on the lens or body were fouled, and the camera thought it was a short focal length F or FA lens. BTW, what does "auto flash mode" mean? I've been using this lens for some years without seeing anything like this. I replaced the batteries with a new set, but with no effect. Richard. home page: www.richard-seaman.com original message From: Todd Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What lens were you using? The MZ cameras, in auto flash mode with a F or FA lens attached, choose a shutter speed of 1/focal length as long as the focal length is <=100mm, in order to let more ambient light into the picture. I would guess you were using a 50mm lens or a zoom at about 50mm? Todd _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
Why do you think PJs and wildlife shooters use flash extenders? Shutter speed is irrelevant in a dark or near dark situation because all that counts is that the shutter is fully open during the duration of the flash output. A good flash extender can 2x or more times the guide number when you want to use HSS modes, giving you a much longer shooting range. Some extenders are designed to push the guide number out to the 300 ft range or more. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard Seaman Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed! Tom, The MZ-5 can display "100", in fact it can display all the valid speeds up to and including "2000". I'm hoping that the camera WAS using 1/100th but displaying 1/60th. I'm wondering if the film would have been properly exposed (ie, flash output over the whole film area) if the camera was operating at 1/60th. Would both shutter curtains be open simultaneously at 1/60th? I suppose they would. Of course, 1/60th sucks as a flash sync speed - 1/100th is bad enough. I'm surprised the MZ-S has a top speed of only 1/180, compared to the Z-1's 1/250. The MZ-S's high-speed sync with the new flash unit doesn't count for me, because of the type of photography I do - my subject is often 20, 30 or more feet away from me. When using high-speed sync, the guide number falls to virtually nothing! Richard. home page: www.richard-seaman.com --- original message --- From: "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think that your camera is actually using 1/100 sec. but the dislay does not have that speed so it shows the next lower speed. - --graywolf _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
Doesn't the MZ-5 have a setting on the shutter speed dial for 1/100? Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:48 PM Subject: Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed! > I think that your camera is actually using 1/100 sec. but the dislay does > not have that speed so it shows the next lower speed. > > --graywolf > > > > - Original Message - > From: Richard Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:54 PM > Subject: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed! > > > > folks, > > > > I went on a four day trip over Thanksgiving, and my MZ-5 started > telling > > me that it had set the shutter speed to 1/60th of a second when I was > using > > the flash. Since it's normally set to 1/100th for flash, this naturally > > bothered me a bit. I wasn't sure if it really was using 1/60th, so I got > a > > roll of film developed and it looked fine, so I continued shooting in the > > hope that all would be well. Sure enough, when I got the other rolls > > developed, everything was OK. > > > > Has anyone seen this behavior in a Pentax camera? Do people think it > > really is setting the shutter speed to 1/60th, or just telling me that it > > is? > > > > thanks, > > > > Richard. > > > > home page: www.richard-seaman.com > > > > > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
Wow, that must be one fast baby and some real fast adults too! Looks more like 1/6 second to me than 1/60. Actually, I kind of like the effect, and I'm note sure I'd like the photo any better if it were static. But, I'll admit I'm weird that way. Thanks, Ed http://lightandsilver.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Mustarde > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 9:45 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed! > > > On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 09:55:25 -0600, you wrote: > > >Of course, 1/60th sucks as a flash sync speed - 1/100th is bad > > enough. > > Flash sync at 1/60 is inadequate for people in motion. Here's > an example of why I try to avoid slow sync speeds: > http://www.photolin.com/C-Image014.jpg - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
In a message dated 12/2/01 11:46:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:49:46 EST, mafud wrote: > > >Slow flash sync ~always~ calls for panning with the moving object, > releasing > >the shutter in the process, meanwhile blurring the background. > > "Panning helps with slow flash sync, if one judges the speed and > direction correctly, just as you say above, but only if the subject > is moving in a known direction, and only if you know in advance that > the subject is moving, and only if one pans the lens closely in line > with the subject movement." John, ~any~ serious photographer, and I'd include the entire PDML list, knows you're correct. That being something we might agree on, the human brain and a little experience calculates all your given parameters in milliseconds and makes the decisions you (we) need to make the photo. Shotgunners, bowlers and other endeavors which demand hand-eye coordination and instinctive targeting call it "follow through." > Panning using slow flash sync is not much help if multiple subjects > are moving in different directions, or, if one does not know in > advance that the subject(s) are going to move, or, heaven forbid, if > one does not want to blur the background." Again you're correct, given your conditions. But I say the "experienced" shooter, knowing who and what s/he wants to be or ~is~ the main subject, will ~not~ be confused by all the extemporaneous movement. > "Slow flash sync is best for static or very slowly moving objects. > Panning could help keep a portion of the frame in focus under certain > circumstances." > > "A more reliable and permanent solution to image blur caused by slow > flash sync is a faster flash sync rate." But... but slow sync is most often ~only~ used on static subjects, the main reason for using the technique being to allow for ambient exposures. But panning is a learned technique which every competent shooter should practice. ***We know that (most) PENTAX cameras, with the exception of the PZ class, all four of whom have 1/250th flash sync, have flash syncs of 1/125th or slower. As I remember, high speed flash sync was instituted by and for the "pro" camera genre even before the advent of ISO 400, 640 and 800 speed films, the combination of which, with fast, f/2.8 or better "pro" lenses, did not easily accommodate outdoor "slow" sync. Fast lenses and fast film forces the shooter to close down their apertures, sometimes to f/22 or smaller, meaning getting "bokeh" in a shot impossible, especially for wildlife. LX owners often decry their atrociously slow LX flash sync, but for different reasons. > > -- > Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:49:46 EST, mafud wrote: >Slow flash sync ~always~ calls for panning with the moving object, releasing >the shutter in the process, meanwhile blurring the background. Panning helps with slow flash sync, if one judges the speed and direction correctly, just as you say above, but only if the subject is moving in a known direction, and only if you know in advance that the subject is moving, and only if one pans the lens closely in line with the subject movement. Panning using slow flash sync is not much help if multiple subjects are moving in different directions, or, if one does not know in advance that the subject(s) are going to move, or, heaven forbid, if one does not want to blur the background. Slow flash sync is best for static or very slowly moving objects. Panning could help keep a portion of the frame in focus under certain circumstances. A more reliable and permanent solution to image blur caused by slow flash sync is a faster flash sync rate. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
In a message dated 12/2/01 9:52:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This shot used flash sync of 1/60. Note the static objects are fine, > but the moving prople are blurred. And they just happened to move a > bit as I tripped the shutter. The flash was bounced off the cathedral > ceiling. > Slow flash sync ~always~ calls for panning with the moving object, releasing the shutter in the process, meanwhile blurring the background. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 09:55:25 -0600, you wrote: >Of course, 1/60th sucks as a flash sync speed - 1/100th is bad enough. Flash sync at 1/60 is inadequate for people in motion. Here's an example of why I try to avoid slow sync speeds: http://www.photolin.com/C-Image014.jpg This shot used flash sync of 1/60. Note the static objects are fine, but the moving prople are blurred. And they just happened to move a bit as I tripped the shutter. The flash was bounced off the cathedral ceiling. My other shots at higher sync speed were fine. However, there is one advantage of slow sync speeds. Check this out. You'll be amazed. Try to find the two areas of digital alteration - it's pretty obvious. And, no, there was no digital alteration of the baby. It's just got a transparent head, and I've got the photos to prove it! http://www.photolin.com/trans.jpg Happy Friday, a couple of days late. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
Sunday, December 02, 2001, 2:03:22 AM, Richard wrote: RS> Artur, RS> I think it is a problem if the camera shoots at, say, 1/30th, because at RS> that speed the ambient light will affect the final photo, almost regardless RS> of what aperture I set. It's quite possible to have a situation where there [...] RS> Richard. Hah, Richard, If only I had your problems... I am always complaining of inability to do well-balanced flash+ambient shots. But I hate full-flash shots, I think they are just ugly, always. That's a nice example of YMMV... I would consider a 1/30 flash synch speed TOO FAST... I synch usually at 1/15 - 1/8 with 28mm or 20mm lenses, to get as much ambient as possible in background while freezing the foreground. Otherwise, background would be too dark. Good light, Frantisek Vlcek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
At 19:36 1-12-2001 -0500, you wrote: >From: "Richard Seaman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed! > > Of course, 1/60th sucks as a flash sync speed Me and my MX have never been particularly bothered by it. Then again, I don't use flash that often anyway. The thing uses 4xAA batteries and somebody's usually nicked them for their gameboy or whatever. Wendy --- Wendy & Paul Beard Ottawa, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Odp: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Artur Ledóchowski wrote: > AFAIK, the flash freezes movement, no matter what the shutter speed is > set. As long, as the shutter speed is set to a medium value (1/30 - > 1/60) and the photographer uses a standard lens or standard zoom ( > like 35-80 or so), there is no problem getting sharp pics... Ah, but there is. Subject blur can show up even when the flash is used; it depends on the ratio between ambient light and flash. A touch of fill flash is not necessarily enough to freeze all movement if the shutter speed is in the 1/15-1/60 range. It's not bad if you can hold the camera steady, but not everyone can. I've seen some bad shots taken with the MZ-7 lately because the user didn't have steady hands, and the ambient exposure at 1/30 or 1/45 resulted in some fuzzy pics, even with the built-in flash used. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
Artur, I think it is a problem if the camera shoots at, say, 1/30th, because at that speed the ambient light will affect the final photo, almost regardless of what aperture I set. It's quite possible to have a situation where there isn't enough light to shoot at 1/500th, which means I have to use flash, but there's too much ambient light to shoot at 1/30th, because I would have severe camera shake. I have this problem even when the flash sync is correctly set to 1/100th. I do usually drag a tripod with me, but my subject matter is usually too dynamic to allow me to make much use of it, which is why I do most of my shooting handheld. Richard. home page: www.richard-seaman.com - - Original Message - > Thanks for this idea, but actually, I was using a Tokina 150-500mm "A" >lens, at the 500mm end Come on:) With the focal length of 500 mm it actually doesn't matter if the camera chooses to shoot at 1/100, 1/60 or 1/30 - in terms of sharpness of one's pics, of course. You should use a tripod/monopod anyway... But it DOES affect balance between the flash light and the ambient light, especially in case of slower films... Greetz Artur _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
Tom, The MZ-5 can display "100", in fact it can display all the valid speeds up to and including "2000". I'm hoping that the camera WAS using 1/100th but displaying 1/60th. I'm wondering if the film would have been properly exposed (ie, flash output over the whole film area) if the camera was operating at 1/60th. Would both shutter curtains be open simultaneously at 1/60th? I suppose they would. Of course, 1/60th sucks as a flash sync speed - 1/100th is bad enough. I'm surprised the MZ-S has a top speed of only 1/180, compared to the Z-1's 1/250. The MZ-S's high-speed sync with the new flash unit doesn't count for me, because of the type of photography I do - my subject is often 20, 30 or more feet away from me. When using high-speed sync, the guide number falls to virtually nothing! Richard. home page: www.richard-seaman.com --- original message --- From: "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think that your camera is actually using 1/100 sec. but the dislay does not have that speed so it shows the next lower speed. - --graywolf _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
Todd, Thanks for this idea, but actually, I was using a Tokina 150-500mm "A" lens, at the 500mm end! Perhaps the contacts on the lens or body were fouled, and the camera thought it was a short focal length F or FA lens. BTW, what does "auto flash mode" mean? I've been using this lens for some years without seeing anything like this. I replaced the batteries with a new set, but with no effect. Richard. home page: www.richard-seaman.com original message From: Todd Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What lens were you using? The MZ cameras, in auto flash mode with a F or FA lens attached, choose a shutter speed of 1/focal length as long as the focal length is <=100mm, in order to let more ambient light into the picture. I would guess you were using a 50mm lens or a zoom at about 50mm? Todd _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
Yeah, what Chris said. To sum up, it depends on the ambient light level. The camera sets a faster sync speed in brighter light and a slower on in dim light in order to (attempt to) balance the flash and ambient light better. Thanks, Ed http://lightandsilver.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Brogden > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 1:38 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed! > > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: > > > I think that your camera is actually using 1/100 sec. but > the dislay > > does not have that speed so it shows the next lower speed. > > No, the display shows that speed. I noticed this with the > MZ-7 a few days ago... it seems to set a sync speed of 1/15 > to 1/45 when used on the fully automatic mode indoors, which - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Odp: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
- Original Message - From: Chris Brogden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed! > No, the display shows that speed. I noticed this with the MZ-7 a few days > ago... it seems to set a sync speed of 1/15 to 1/45 when used on the fully > automatic mode indoors, which is ludicrous... few casual shooters can > handhold at that speed, even when the flash provides some of the exposure. AFAIK, the flash freezes movement, no matter what the shutter speed is set. As long, as the shutter speed is set to a medium value (1/30 - 1/60) and the photographer uses a standard lens or standard zoom ( like 35-80 or so), there is no problem getting sharp pics... > Pentax's explanation was that a slow speed provides a better balance > between flash and ambient light, which is true, but it can also result in > subject blur. Canons use a faster sync speed, which makes for more > flash-heavy picutres, but which results in sharper exposures sometimes. Slower shutter speed allows the camera to gather more ambient light, preventing the "night background" effects... I definitely prefer it to the faster sync speed, especially because I don't use films faster than ISO400 very often... Greetz Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: > I think that your camera is actually using 1/100 sec. but the dislay does > not have that speed so it shows the next lower speed. No, the display shows that speed. I noticed this with the MZ-7 a few days ago... it seems to set a sync speed of 1/15 to 1/45 when used on the fully automatic mode indoors, which is ludicrous... few casual shooters can handhold at that speed, even when the flash provides some of the exposure. Pentax's explanation was that a slow speed provides a better balance between flash and ambient light, which is true, but it can also result in subject blur. Canons use a faster sync speed, which makes for more flash-heavy picutres, but which results in sharper exposures sometimes. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: ZX-5/MZ-5...???
The only thing I know for sure about is dbpth of field preview. --- dosk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What does the ZX-5 (or the European MZ-5) do NOT > have that the updated ZX-5n > has? > What features would I be losing if I bought a used > MZ-5, at a fairly good > price? > Thanks, > Skip > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. > To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. > Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at > http://pug.komkon.org . > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
ZX-5/MZ-5...???
What does the ZX-5 (or the European MZ-5) do NOT have that the updated ZX-5n has? What features would I be losing if I bought a used MZ-5, at a fairly good price? Thanks, Skip - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
