Re: PESO: butterfly season started

2021-04-14 Thread ann sanfedele

Wow - great *camouflage* on his wing!  beautiful shot

ann

On 4/14/2021 3:00 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
The temperature in this spring has for the most part been low here, 
but now I see more butterflies coming.
I catched an orange tip (Anthocharis cardamines) which usually are 
quite restless.


https://flic.kr/p/2kSNF55

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PESO: butterfly season started

2021-04-14 Thread Henk Terhell
The temperature in this spring has for the most part been low here, but 
now I see more butterflies coming.
I catched an orange tip (Anthocharis cardamines) which usually are quite 
restless.


https://flic.kr/p/2kSNF55

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Re: PESO: butterfly season started

2021-04-14 Thread Toine
Nice catch!

On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 09:00, Henk Terhell  wrote:
>
> The temperature in this spring has for the most part been low here, but
> now I see more butterflies coming.
> I catched an orange tip (Anthocharis cardamines) which usually are quite
> restless.
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2kSNF55
>
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Re: PESO Butterfly

2018-08-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice catch and fine image.

Try here for id:

https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/exhibits/butterfly-rainforest/id-guide/orange/

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On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 1:52 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> I have no idea what sort, he was hanging out in my yard yesterday.
> Shot with the bigma 50-500
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30156958808/in/album-
> 72157700185090275/
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> I actually felt like I was getting better shots when I switched to the DA
> 55-300, better magnification at the close end, but I think this one ended
> up being the best of the series.
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Re: PESO Butterfly

2018-08-14 Thread Larry Colen
Thanks Henk, that was also Walt's guess on facebook, since it was found 
in close proximity to my passiflora, that makes some sense.


Henk Terhell wrote on 8/14/18 12:30 AM:

wiki english:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_fritillary

Op 2018-08-14 om 09:28 schreef Henk Terhell:

Nice pics and butterfly.
Search for similar photos in Flickr (a handy utility) led me to Gulf 
fritillary or passion butterfly (Agraulis vanillae),  see wiki:

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agraulis_vanillae

Henk

Op 2018-08-14 om 07:52 schreef Larry Colen:

I have no idea what sort, he was hanging out in my yard yesterday.
Shot with the bigma 50-500

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30156958808/in/album-72157700185090275/ 



I actually felt like I was getting better shots when I switched to 
the DA 55-300, better magnification at the close end, but I think 
this one ended up being the best of the series.










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Re: PESO Butterfly

2018-08-14 Thread Henk Terhell

wiki english:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_fritillary

Op 2018-08-14 om 09:28 schreef Henk Terhell:

Nice pics and butterfly.
Search for similar photos in Flickr (a handy utility) led me to Gulf 
fritillary or passion butterfly (Agraulis vanillae),  see wiki:

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agraulis_vanillae

Henk

Op 2018-08-14 om 07:52 schreef Larry Colen:

I have no idea what sort, he was hanging out in my yard yesterday.
Shot with the bigma 50-500

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30156958808/in/album-72157700185090275/ 



I actually felt like I was getting better shots when I switched to 
the DA 55-300, better magnification at the close end, but I think 
this one ended up being the best of the series.







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Re: PESO Butterfly

2018-08-14 Thread Henk Terhell

Nice pics and butterfly.
Search for similar photos in Flickr (a handy utility) led me to Gulf 
fritillary or passion butterfly (Agraulis vanillae),  see wiki:

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agraulis_vanillae

Henk

Op 2018-08-14 om 07:52 schreef Larry Colen:

I have no idea what sort, he was hanging out in my yard yesterday.
Shot with the bigma 50-500

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30156958808/in/album-72157700185090275/ 



I actually felt like I was getting better shots when I switched to the 
DA 55-300, better magnification at the close end, but I think this one 
ended up being the best of the series.





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Re: PESO Butterfly

2018-08-14 Thread Subash Jeyan
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:52:48 -0700
Larry Colen  wrote:

> I have no idea what sort, he was hanging out in my yard yesterday.
> Shot with the bigma 50-500
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30156958808/in/album-72157700185090275/

nice. i can't help you with the id but i'm sure there are many  online
sites...


> I actually felt like I was getting better shots when I switched to
> the DA 55-300, better magnification at the close end, but I think
> this one ended up being the best of the series.

can you post a shot taken with the 55-300 for comparison?

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PESO Butterfly

2018-08-13 Thread Larry Colen

I have no idea what sort, he was hanging out in my yard yesterday.
Shot with the bigma 50-500

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30156958808/in/album-72157700185090275/

I actually felt like I was getting better shots when I switched to the 
DA 55-300, better magnification at the close end, but I think this one 
ended up being the best of the series.


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Re: PESO - Butterfly Dreaming

2016-07-24 Thread ann sanfedele

glad you took the risk - very nice

ann


On 7/23/2016 10:25 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

This one is a bit risky, I think.

It is not sharp.
It is doubtful if there was a particular subject.
It is in "portrait" format but there is absolutely no portrait.
It is not shot with a "Pentax" camera or lens.

I submit it here only because I liked it.
(In fact, I was about to delete it and all of a sudden I have decided
to work on it).

https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/07/22/butterfly-dreaming/

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Re: PESO - Butterfly Dreaming

2016-07-23 Thread David Mann
FWIW I like it.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Jul 24, 2016, at 2:25 AM, Bulent Celasun  wrote:
> 
> This one is a bit risky, I think.
> 
> It is not sharp.
> It is doubtful if there was a particular subject.
> It is in "portrait" format but there is absolutely no portrait.
> It is not shot with a "Pentax" camera or lens.
> 
> I submit it here only because I liked it.
> (In fact, I was about to delete it and all of a sudden I have decided
> to work on it).
> 
> https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/07/22/butterfly-dreaming/
> 
> Ricoh GXR A12, M module, Voigtlander Heliar 75mm.
> 
> Thanks for reading this much!
> 
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Re: PESO - Butterfly Dreaming

2016-07-23 Thread Bulent Celasun
Let me see my ophtalmologist first :)

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2016-07-23 18:54 GMT+03:00 Bob Sullivan :
> I think you need a better camera and lens. :-)  Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Bulent Celasun
>  wrote:
>> This one is a bit risky, I think.
>>
>> It is not sharp.
>> It is doubtful if there was a particular subject.
>> It is in "portrait" format but there is absolutely no portrait.
>> It is not shot with a "Pentax" camera or lens.
>>
>> I submit it here only because I liked it.
>> (In fact, I was about to delete it and all of a sudden I have decided
>> to work on it).
>>
>> https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/07/22/butterfly-dreaming/
>>
>> Ricoh GXR A12, M module, Voigtlander Heliar 75mm.
>>
>> Thanks for reading this much!
>>
>> Bulent
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Re: PESO - Butterfly Dreaming

2016-07-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
I think you need a better camera and lens. :-)  Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Bulent Celasun
 wrote:
> This one is a bit risky, I think.
>
> It is not sharp.
> It is doubtful if there was a particular subject.
> It is in "portrait" format but there is absolutely no portrait.
> It is not shot with a "Pentax" camera or lens.
>
> I submit it here only because I liked it.
> (In fact, I was about to delete it and all of a sudden I have decided
> to work on it).
>
> https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/07/22/butterfly-dreaming/
>
> Ricoh GXR A12, M module, Voigtlander Heliar 75mm.
>
> Thanks for reading this much!
>
> Bulent
>
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PESO - Butterfly Dreaming

2016-07-23 Thread Bulent Celasun
This one is a bit risky, I think.

It is not sharp.
It is doubtful if there was a particular subject.
It is in "portrait" format but there is absolutely no portrait.
It is not shot with a "Pentax" camera or lens.

I submit it here only because I liked it.
(In fact, I was about to delete it and all of a sudden I have decided
to work on it).

https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/07/22/butterfly-dreaming/

Ricoh GXR A12, M module, Voigtlander Heliar 75mm.

Thanks for reading this much!

Bulent

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Re: PESO - butterfly

2015-02-01 Thread Mark C
Nice shot, Igor - I wish I saw more monarchs. I can spend days in remote 
fields and never see them at all and then go into Chicago and they are 
all over the place (in the summer of course, not now...) No need t 
motion stopping spray - just follow them around till they decide to take 
a break (which for a butterfly is about 30 seconds of inactivity)...


Mark

On 1/31/2015 1:26 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


I am not completely satisfied with this photo:
I didn't have much time to shoot it (and I didn't have the magic 
motion-stopping spray like Mark C. and a few others have), as I had 
other obligations, and only a minute or two for these shots.

I should've closed down the aperture father, instead of keeping it at 4.0
(on 50-135/2.8) to enhance the DOF, making wings being completely in 
focus.


Anyway, enjoy!
http://42graphy.org/misc/butterfly_IR23812.jpg

All comments and suggestions are welcome!

Igor





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Re: PESO - butterfly

2015-01-31 Thread Alan C
Not bad at all. Live butterfly shots are difficult. I see the Monarch 
numbers are on the up after interventions by the conservationists.


Alan C

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I am not completely satisfied with this photo:
I didn't have much time to shoot it (and I didn't have the magic
motion-stopping spray like Mark C. and a few others have), as I had other
obligations, and only a minute or two for these shots.
I should've closed down the aperture father, instead of keeping it at 4.0
(on 50-135/2.8) to enhance the DOF, making wings being completely in
focus.

Anyway, enjoy!
http://42graphy.org/misc/butterfly_IR23812.jpg

All comments and suggestions are welcome!

Igor


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PESO - butterfly

2015-01-30 Thread Igor PDML-StR


I am not completely satisfied with this photo:
I didn't have much time to shoot it (and I didn't have the magic 
motion-stopping spray like Mark C. and a few others have), as I had other 
obligations, and only a minute or two for these shots.

I should've closed down the aperture father, instead of keeping it at 4.0
(on 50-135/2.8) to enhance the DOF, making wings being completely in 
focus.


Anyway, enjoy!
http://42graphy.org/misc/butterfly_IR23812.jpg

All comments and suggestions are welcome!

Igor


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Re: PESO: Butterfly

2014-11-07 Thread Jack Davis
One of the more impressive butterfly shots I've seen. 
Well composed, clean image. 

Jack

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Subject: PESO: Butterfly

Don't ask me what species :)

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/825/#peso

Taken at the butterfly exhibit at Melbourne Zoo.

Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Butterfly

2014-11-07 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I spend a lot of time chasing butterflies with my camera, usually to
no good effect.

That is a fine butterfly portrait!

I believe it is a male Varied Eggfly:
http://www.ozanimals.com/Insect/Varied-Eggfly/Hypolimnas/bolina.html

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On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:20 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 Don't ask me what species :)

 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/825/#peso

 Taken at the butterfly exhibit at Melbourne Zoo.

 Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Butterfly

2014-11-07 Thread Bruce
The long shadow adds an interesting dimension that helps to lift this beyond 
the norm.  Nicely done. I'm a fan. 

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 On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:20 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Don't ask me what species :)
 
 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/825/#peso
 
 Taken at the butterfly exhibit at Melbourne Zoo.
 
 Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Butterfly

2014-11-07 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Dave:  It’s a very pretty specimen, but I’m going disagree with Bruce a bit; 
I find the shadow a bit distracting—but maybe I’m just wrong :-.  Still, 
having tried for butterflies, I know how difficult it is and you got a good one 
here.

Cheers, Christine


 On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Bruce bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote:
 
 The long shadow adds an interesting dimension that helps to lift this beyond 
 the norm.  Nicely done. I'm a fan. 
 
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 On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:20 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Don't ask me what species :)
 
 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/825/#peso
 
 Taken at the butterfly exhibit at Melbourne Zoo.
 
 Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Butterfly

2014-11-07 Thread David Mann
I knew someone would ID it, thanks for that.  I've updated the description to 
add that link.

Thanks to everyone who commented.  I thought the shadow might provoke differing 
opinions :)

The butterflies in the display were pretty tame and were quite happy to land on 
people so getting close was easier than usual.  The hard part was finding ones 
that were settling in a good place and remaining still.

Cheers,
Dave

 On Nov 8, 2014, at 3:08 am, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I spend a lot of time chasing butterflies with my camera, usually to
 no good effect.
 
 That is a fine butterfly portrait!
 
 I believe it is a male Varied Eggfly:
 http://www.ozanimals.com/Insect/Varied-Eggfly/Hypolimnas/bolina.html
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:20 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 Don't ask me what species :)
 
 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/825/#peso
 
 Taken at the butterfly exhibit at Melbourne Zoo.
 
 Cheers,
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PESO: Butterfly

2014-11-06 Thread David Mann
Don't ask me what species :)

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/825/#peso

Taken at the butterfly exhibit at Melbourne Zoo.

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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2013-07-27 Thread kwaller

It seems a bit fuzzier than the pictures you usually post.


MARK!

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Looks like a bee bush to me!

More seriously, is that heavily cropped or out-of-focus or what?  It
seems a bit fuzzier than the pictures you usually post.



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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2013-07-26 Thread Aahz Maruch
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Looks like a bee bush to me!

More seriously, is that heavily cropped or out-of-focus or what?  It
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PESO: Butterfly Bush

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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2013-07-13 Thread Bruce Walker
I like that, Dan. Our butterfly bush is a non-starter this year, an
apparent victim of the unusual spring we had.

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RE: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2013-07-13 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Lovely!

cheers,
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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2013-07-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Bruce!

We have several butterfly bushes, and they are all thriving in the wet
humid weather.   We have some butterflies already, but very few
hummers so far.

I have always had difficulty photographing butterfly bushes, partly
because one end is turning brown before the other end has burst into
bloom.  This was one of the best set of blooms that wasn't too high on
the bush to be reached.

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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2013-07-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Frank.

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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2012-09-25 Thread David Mann
On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:38 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 My favourite butterfly!
 
 They really like that flower up here, too. It's lovely to see them on it 
 because the colours work so well together.

Yes they like it here too, but the flowers on our bush are white.  It also 
attracts a few yellow admirals.

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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2012-09-25 Thread Rick Womer
Very, very nice composition and interplay of colors, Dan.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2012-09-24 Thread Bruce Walker
Nicely sharp and defined, Dan. Shame the background is a tad busy, but
good anyway.


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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2012-09-24 Thread Steven Desjardins
Very nice.  What lens did you use?

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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2012-09-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Nice, good composition and focus.  Flowers look good too.
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2012-09-24 Thread Don Guthrie
Quite lovely Dan, and pleasantly sharp. If possible, I might crop a 
little off the right side to minimize distraction in the background.



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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2012-09-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele

ge ye to the stock agency...

nice field guide worthy shot, dan...
I think that is purple loosestrife, yes?
(the plant, not the flutterbye of course)

ann

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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2012-09-24 Thread Larry Colen

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Nice photo.  I particularly like the way you are getting away from your normal 
centered, static feeling composition.  The shape of the flowers and butterfly 
making a ring around the center draw the eye nicely.


 
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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2012-09-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Bruce, Steven, Bob, Don, Ann and Larry, for you kind comments.

The plant is a butterfly bush (Buddleja).  The lens was my smc DA
28-135 f3.5-5.6 AL [IR] DC WR.  That's what it says on the lens;  I
have no idea what all the letters mean.  G  This bush is quite
large, and the butterflies move so quickly that I have only been able
to catch them with a zoom lens, and this one seems to have the most
appropriate range of focal lengths for that purpose.

I did crop it a bit, to remove a dead blossom, but I think I will go
back to the original file and try a slightly different crop, using
your suggestions.

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 Nice photo.  I particularly like the way you are getting away from your 
 normal centered, static feeling composition.  The shape of the flowers and 
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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2012-09-24 Thread steve harley

on 2012-09-24 10:02 Ann Sanfedele wrote

I think that is purple loosestrife, yes?


it's genus Buddleja, aka butterfly bush (i grow a xeric, spring flowering 
variety, Buddleja alternifolia)




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a pleasant shot; shooting from a little higher might have brought a bit of the 
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Re: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2012-09-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Steve.

It is a big bush.  I would have needed my big ladder to get a higher angle.

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 on 2012-09-24 10:02 Ann Sanfedele wrote

 I think that is purple loosestrife, yes?


 it's genus Buddleja, aka butterfly bush (i grow a xeric, spring flowering
 variety, Buddleja alternifolia)



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RE: PESO: Butterfly Bush

2012-09-24 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
My favourite butterfly!

They really like that flower up here, too. It's lovely to see them on it 
because the colours work so well together.

Love this shot! Sharp, well composed, beautiful colours.

Cheers, 
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Re: PESO: Butterfly on the wing

2012-08-07 Thread Toine
That's a very nice and dreamy capture!

Toine

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 It's not exactly the sharpest or best composed photo, but I finally managed
 to capture my first shot of a butterfly on the wing and just felt the need
 to share.

 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7729383422/
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PESO: Butterfly on the wing

2012-08-06 Thread Walt Gilbert

Hi all,

It's not exactly the sharpest or best composed photo, but I finally 
managed to capture my first shot of a butterfly on the wing and just 
felt the need to share.


http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7729383422/
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Re: PESO: Butterfly on the wing

2012-08-06 Thread steve harley

on 2012-08-06 18:20 Walt Gilbert wrote

It's not exactly the sharpest or best composed photo, but I finally managed to
capture my first shot of a butterfly on the wing and just felt the need to 
share.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7729383422/


that's a milestone i haven't reached; lots of bees, but butterflies are harder

it seems your butterfly lives in a chaotic dreamworld



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RE: PESO: Butterfly on the wing

2012-08-06 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Doesn't have to be super-sharp in my books. I think it's gorgeous. That bokeh 
is beautiful and helps the apparent sharpness of the insect.

I think the composition is just fine.

Overall a wonderful photo!

Cheers,
frank

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Hi all,

It's not exactly the sharpest or best composed photo, but I finally 
managed to capture my first shot of a butterfly on the wing and just 
felt the need to share.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7729383422/
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Re: PESO: Butterfly on the wing

2012-08-06 Thread Walt Gilbert

Thank you so much, Frank!

I think the thing that bothers me most about the photo is the fact that 
I know I can do it now, and have to do it better next time. :-/


-- Walt

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Doesn't have to be super-sharp in my books. I think it's gorgeous. That bokeh 
is beautiful and helps the apparent sharpness of the insect.

I think the composition is just fine.

Overall a wonderful photo!

Cheers,
frank

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Hi all,

It's not exactly the sharpest or best composed photo, but I finally
managed to capture my first shot of a butterfly on the wing and just
felt the need to share.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7729383422/
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Re: PESO: Butterfly on the wing

2012-08-06 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 8/6/2012 8:53 PM, steve harley wrote:

on 2012-08-06 18:20 Walt Gilbert wrote
It's not exactly the sharpest or best composed photo, but I finally 
managed to
capture my first shot of a butterfly on the wing and just felt the 
need to share.


http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7729383422/


that's a milestone i haven't reached; lots of bees, but butterflies 
are harder


it seems your butterfly lives in a chaotic dreamworld


Yeah, that's pretty much sums up my world.

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Re: PESO: butterfly/moth

2009-10-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/3/2009 10:52:13 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
pdml.l...@gmail.com writes:
hi,

had recently  picked up a russian-made jupiter-11a 135/4 in m42 mount.
was trying it out in  the backyard today and this fellow stayed still
long enough for me to get  this. slightly cropped from the  original:

http://picasaweb.google.co.in/pdml.live/Peso#5388617646868627298

k10d,  jupiter-11a 135mm @f4, digikam

appreciate your comments, regards,  subash

==
I'd tone down the highlights on the leaf a little,  distracting, but a very 
nice close up. Very close up.

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Re: PESO: butterfly/moth

2009-10-04 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi,

 had recently picked up a russian-made jupiter-11a 135/4 in m42 mount.
 was trying it out in the backyard today and this fellow stayed still
 long enough for me to get this. slightly cropped from the original:

 http://picasaweb.google.co.in/pdml.live/Peso#5388617646868627298

 k10d, jupiter-11a 135mm @f4, digikam

 appreciate your comments, regards, subash

Nice!

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PESO: butterfly/moth

2009-10-03 Thread Subash
hi,

had recently picked up a russian-made jupiter-11a 135/4 in m42 mount.
was trying it out in the backyard today and this fellow stayed still
long enough for me to get this. slightly cropped from the original:

http://picasaweb.google.co.in/pdml.live/Peso#5388617646868627298

k10d, jupiter-11a 135mm @f4, digikam

appreciate your comments, regards, subash

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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-15 Thread P. J. Alling
This is really quite clever. 

David Savage wrote:
 G'day All,

 Another from Sunday:

 (Warning: not safe for the drunk or stoned)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg

 K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/8 @ f3.2, ISO 800

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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-15 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:13 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 G'day All,

 Another from Sunday:

 (Warning: not safe for the drunk or stoned)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg

 K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/8 @ f3.2, ISO 800

 Comments always welcome.

 Cheers,


Very cool!!

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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-15 Thread AlunFoto
weeiird... :-)
Well executed, Dave.

Jostein

2008/8/14 David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 G'day All,

 Another from Sunday:

 (Warning: not safe for the drunk or stoned)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg

 K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/8 @ f3.2, ISO 800

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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-15 Thread Beaker

On Aug 14, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Cotty wrote:

 On 14/8/08, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

 G'day All,

 Another from Sunday:

 (Warning: not safe for the drunk or stoned)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg

 K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/8 @ f3.2, ISO 800

 Comments always welcome.

 Clever shot. Nice arse.


Can't argue with that analysis.
BTW- is this a grab shot, or was it posed?
Either way, it has these tired eyes crossing.
In a good way.

Cheers
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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-14 Thread timber
 G'day All,

 Another from Sunday:

 (Warning: not safe for the drunk or stoned)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg

 K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/8 @ f3.2, ISO 800

 Comments always welcome.

 Cheers,

 Dave

I like it very much :)

Was it PSed or the walls painted like this there?

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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-14 Thread David Savage
2008/8/14  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 G'day All,

 Another from Sunday:

 (Warning: not safe for the drunk or stoned)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg

 K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/8 @ f3.2, ISO 800

 Comments always welcome.

 Cheers,

 Dave

 I like it very much :)

Thanks mate.

 Was it PSed or the walls painted like this there?

It was PS'd to get the look I wanted, but the walls are painted with
that pattern.

Thanks for looking.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-14 Thread S J
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 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg

wow, Dave, that is really nice :-))

regards, subash

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PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-14 Thread David Savage
G'day All,

Another from Sunday:

(Warning: not safe for the drunk or stoned)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg

K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/8 @ f3.2, ISO 800

Comments always welcome.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-14 Thread Brian Walters
Well, that's really well thought out and composed.

The blond hair of the model really helps creates the butterfly effect.



Cheers

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:13:04 +0800, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 G'day All,
 
 Another from Sunday:
 
 (Warning: not safe for the drunk or stoned)
 
 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg
 
 K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/8 @ f3.2, ISO 800
 
 Comments always welcome.
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-14 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage wrote:

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Ah, but what is?

(cool photo, BTW)



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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-14 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:13 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 G'day All,

 Another from Sunday:

 (Warning: not safe for the drunk or stoned)

Yes it is.
Thats a great shot. Her arms seem to extend into the painted wall,
which i assume is want you wanted.

Nice pleasing colours , for me anyway

Dave

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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
Well seen. Excellent.
Paul
On Aug 14, 2008, at 5:13 AM, David Savage wrote:

 G'day All,

 Another from Sunday:

 (Warning: not safe for the drunk or stoned)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg

 K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/8 @ f3.2, ISO 800

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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-14 Thread Rick Womer
Great shot!  Well-conceived, and your model did well too.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Thu, 8/14/08, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 G'day All,
 
 Another from Sunday:
 
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 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg
 
 K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/8 @ f3.2, ISO 800
 
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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-14 Thread Jack Davis
Clever idea captured very well, Dave. Extremely creative.

Jack


--- On Thu, 8/14/08, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 G'day All,
 
 Another from Sunday:
 
 (Warning: not safe for the drunk or stoned)
 
 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg
 
 K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/8 @ f3.2, ISO 800
 
 Comments always welcome.
 
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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-14 Thread Christine Aguila
Dave:  That picture is delightfully creative  playful.  Wow.  What a 
stunner!  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
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Subject: PESO - Butterfly


 G'day All,

 Another from Sunday:

 (Warning: not safe for the drunk or stoned)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg

 K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/8 @ f3.2, ISO 800

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Re: PESO - Butterfly

2008-08-14 Thread Cotty
On 14/8/08, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

G'day All,

Another from Sunday:

(Warning: not safe for the drunk or stoned)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2758986129_555941e55a_o.jpg

K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/8 @ f3.2, ISO 800

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-26 Thread AlunFoto
If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain
text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing
services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about
some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found
the abstract interesting too.

Jostein


2008/6/26 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Damnifiknow.  The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to
 read.  I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color
 differences.  Monarchs live  in every temperate climate and overwinter
 in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters
 have ever shown a particularly large color variation.  On the other hand
 the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were
 reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a
 few images without first converting to the correct color space.

 AlunFoto wrote:
 Peter, Walt, Bob,

 Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color?
 I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of
 monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is
 mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult
 females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than
 usual.

 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b

 Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-)

 Jostein

 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Walt and Peter,
 I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color,
 especially since flash was used.
 Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine  Aguila
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Walt:  Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right?  
 Great
 catch nonetheless!  Cheers, Christine


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 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Oh yes I did.  The abstract was quite interesting, if you read closely 
the hypothesis was that the insect would be darker in cold climates to 
help the insects keep warm.  The quot and the position in the abstract 
that tells me how much this hypothesis is worth is this one

 Across all populations, monarch larvae developed the darkest 
 coloration in the cold treatment and were lightest when reared in hot 
 temperatures. Similar results were observed for measures of adult wing 
 melanism, /with the exception of adult females, which developed darker 
 colored wings in warmer temperatures./
Hum, damn near half of the experimental population showed the reverse 
adaptation.  Perhaps there is another explanation.  In the current 
question as to whether this effect is great enough to make as big a 
difference as seen between Walters butterfly shot and mine, or whether 
processing or perhaps color space caused the difference,  the abstract 
doesn't tell us that.  In fact it tells little or nothing at all.

AlunFoto wrote:
 If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain
 text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing
 services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about
 some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found
 the abstract interesting too.

 Jostein


 2008/6/26 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   
 Damnifiknow.  The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to
 read.  I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color
 differences.  Monarchs live  in every temperate climate and overwinter
 in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters
 have ever shown a particularly large color variation.  On the other hand
 the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were
 reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a
 few images without first converting to the correct color space.

 AlunFoto wrote:
 
 Peter, Walt, Bob,

 Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color?
 I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of
 monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is
 mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult
 females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than
 usual.

 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b

 Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-)

 Jostein

 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   
 Walt and Peter,
 I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color,
 especially since flash was used.
 Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine  Aguila
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Hi Walt:  Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right?  
 Great
 catch nonetheless!  Cheers, Christine


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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-26 Thread Walter Hamler
In case you missed the post, the butterfly in question is not a
Monarch but a Queen. It has a darker more chocholate coloring.

Walt

On 6/26/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oh yes I did.  The abstract was quite interesting, if you read closely
 the hypothesis was that the insect would be darker in cold climates to
 help the insects keep warm.  The quot and the position in the abstract
 that tells me how much this hypothesis is worth is this one

  Across all populations, monarch larvae developed the darkest
  coloration in the cold treatment and were lightest when reared in hot
  temperatures. Similar results were observed for measures of adult wing
  melanism, /with the exception of adult females, which developed darker
  colored wings in warmer temperatures./
 Hum, damn near half of the experimental population showed the reverse
 adaptation.  Perhaps there is another explanation.  In the current
 question as to whether this effect is great enough to make as big a
 difference as seen between Walters butterfly shot and mine, or whether
 processing or perhaps color space caused the difference,  the abstract
 doesn't tell us that.  In fact it tells little or nothing at all.

 AlunFoto wrote:
  If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain
  text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing
  services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about
  some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found
  the abstract interesting too.
 
  Jostein
 
 
  2008/6/26 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Damnifiknow.  The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to
  read.  I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color
  differences.  Monarchs live  in every temperate climate and overwinter
  in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters
  have ever shown a particularly large color variation.  On the other hand
  the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were
  reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a
  few images without first converting to the correct color space.
 
  AlunFoto wrote:
 
  Peter, Walt, Bob,
 
  Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color?
  I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of
  monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is
  mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult
  females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than
  usual.
 
  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b
 
  Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-)
 
  Jostein
 
  2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 
  Walt and Peter,
  I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color,
  especially since flash was used.
  Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD.
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg
  Regards,  Bob S.
 
  On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine  Aguila
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Hi Walt:  Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right?  
  Great
  catch nonetheless!  Cheers, Christine
 
 
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  Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM
  Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter
 
 
 
 
  Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
  have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!
 
  Walt
 
  http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB
 
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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling
I didn't miss the post, you're right of course, if it's a queen 
butterfly the comparison to the coloring of monarchs is not relevant, 
and my suggestion is moot.  In the word of Emily Latella Nevermind.

Walter Hamler wrote:
 In case you missed the post, the butterfly in question is not a
 Monarch but a Queen. It has a darker more chocholate coloring.

 Walt

 On 6/26/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Oh yes I did.  The abstract was quite interesting, if you read closely
 the hypothesis was that the insect would be darker in cold climates to
 help the insects keep warm.  The quot and the position in the abstract
 that tells me how much this hypothesis is worth is this one

 
 Across all populations, monarch larvae developed the darkest
 coloration in the cold treatment and were lightest when reared in hot
 temperatures. Similar results were observed for measures of adult wing
 melanism, /with the exception of adult females, which developed darker
 colored wings in warmer temperatures./
   
 Hum, damn near half of the experimental population showed the reverse
 adaptation.  Perhaps there is another explanation.  In the current
 question as to whether this effect is great enough to make as big a
 difference as seen between Walters butterfly shot and mine, or whether
 processing or perhaps color space caused the difference,  the abstract
 doesn't tell us that.  In fact it tells little or nothing at all.

 AlunFoto wrote:
 
 If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain
 text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing
 services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about
 some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found
 the abstract interesting too.

 Jostein


 2008/6/26 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   
 Damnifiknow.  The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to
 read.  I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color
 differences.  Monarchs live  in every temperate climate and overwinter
 in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters
 have ever shown a particularly large color variation.  On the other hand
 the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were
 reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a
 few images without first converting to the correct color space.

 AlunFoto wrote:

 
 Peter, Walt, Bob,

 Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color?
 I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of
 monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is
 mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult
 females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than
 usual.

 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b

 Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-)

 Jostein

 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


   
 Walt and Peter,
 I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color,
 especially since flash was used.
 Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine  Aguila
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 Hi Walt:  Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right?  
 Great
 catch nonetheless!  Cheers, Christine


 - Original Message -
 From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM
 Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter




   
 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

 Walt

 http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-26 Thread Perry Pellechia
If you are interested in seeing the full article send me an email.  I
have access to the journal through my work.
FWIW, they used a Oly C-3000 to photograph the larvae and a flat bead
scanner to image the butterflies.

Perry.

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:06 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oh yes I did.  The abstract was quite interesting, if you read closely
 the hypothesis was that the insect would be darker in cold climates to
 help the insects keep warm.  The quot and the position in the abstract
 that tells me how much this hypothesis is worth is this one

 Across all populations, monarch larvae developed the darkest
 coloration in the cold treatment and were lightest when reared in hot
 temperatures. Similar results were observed for measures of adult wing
 melanism, /with the exception of adult females, which developed darker
 colored wings in warmer temperatures./
 Hum, damn near half of the experimental population showed the reverse
 adaptation.  Perhaps there is another explanation.  In the current
 question as to whether this effect is great enough to make as big a
 difference as seen between Walters butterfly shot and mine, or whether
 processing or perhaps color space caused the difference,  the abstract
 doesn't tell us that.  In fact it tells little or nothing at all.

 AlunFoto wrote:
 If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain
 text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing
 services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about
 some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found
 the abstract interesting too.

 Jostein


 2008/6/26 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Damnifiknow.  The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to
 read.  I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color
 differences.  Monarchs live  in every temperate climate and overwinter
 in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters
 have ever shown a particularly large color variation.  On the other hand
 the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were
 reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a
 few images without first converting to the correct color space.

 AlunFoto wrote:

 Peter, Walt, Bob,

 Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color?
 I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of
 monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is
 mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult
 females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than
 usual.

 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b

 Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-)

 Jostein

 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 Walt and Peter,
 I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color,
 especially since flash was used.
 Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine  Aguila
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi Walt:  Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right?  
 Great
 catch nonetheless!  Cheers, Christine


 - Original Message -
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 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM
 Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter




 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

 Walt

 http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Thanks Perry, but the answer is that Walter apparently photographed a 
Queen butterfly, where as I was photographing Monarch Butterflies so 
what we were really comparing apples and oran..., well no more like 
oranges and tangerines.

Perry Pellechia wrote:
 If you are interested in seeing the full article send me an email.  I
 have access to the journal through my work.
 FWIW, they used a Oly C-3000 to photograph the larvae and a flat bead
 scanner to image the butterflies.

 Perry.

 On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:06 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Oh yes I did.  The abstract was quite interesting, if you read closely
 the hypothesis was that the insect would be darker in cold climates to
 help the insects keep warm.  The quot and the position in the abstract
 that tells me how much this hypothesis is worth is this one

 
 Across all populations, monarch larvae developed the darkest
 coloration in the cold treatment and were lightest when reared in hot
 temperatures. Similar results were observed for measures of adult wing
 melanism, /with the exception of adult females, which developed darker
 colored wings in warmer temperatures./
   
 Hum, damn near half of the experimental population showed the reverse
 adaptation.  Perhaps there is another explanation.  In the current
 question as to whether this effect is great enough to make as big a
 difference as seen between Walters butterfly shot and mine, or whether
 processing or perhaps color space caused the difference,  the abstract
 doesn't tell us that.  In fact it tells little or nothing at all.

 AlunFoto wrote:
 
 If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain
 text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing
 services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about
 some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found
 the abstract interesting too.

 Jostein


 2008/6/26 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   
 Damnifiknow.  The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to
 read.  I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color
 differences.  Monarchs live  in every temperate climate and overwinter
 in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters
 have ever shown a particularly large color variation.  On the other hand
 the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were
 reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a
 few images without first converting to the correct color space.

 AlunFoto wrote:

 
 Peter, Walt, Bob,

 Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color?
 I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of
 monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is
 mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult
 females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than
 usual.

 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b

 Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-)

 Jostein

 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


   
 Walt and Peter,
 I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color,
 especially since flash was used.
 Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine  Aguila
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 Hi Walt:  Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right?  
 Great
 catch nonetheless!  Cheers, Christine


 - Original Message -
 From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM
 Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter




   
 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

 Walt

 http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread David J Brooks
Hard but worth it, right.:-)

Good shot

Dave

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread P. J. Alling
The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit.

Ken Waller wrote:
 Great butterfly capture!
 I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message - 
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 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Peter,
Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop.
The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that,
as well as backlight the wings.  This shot is very good.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit.

 Ken Waller wrote:
 Great butterfly capture!
 I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
 From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter



 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread P. J. Alling
I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion.  I worked very 
hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the 
while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close.

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html

Bob Sullivan wrote:
 Peter,
 Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop.
 The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that,
 as well as backlight the wings.  This shot is very good.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit.

 Ken Waller wrote:
 
 Great butterfly capture!
 I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
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 Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter



   
 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread P. J. Alling
Sorry Ken, I should have read a little clearer there.  That is your 
photo.  To make my comment a bit clearer.  The color of the underside of 
the wing is a bit more muted yet lighter, like it was coated with a very 
thin layer of whitewash than the upper wing surface of the monarch, 
(which is easily seen in the sample).  Your photo is showing the lower 
wing surface and the color is rendered closer to what the upper surface 
as seen here.

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch4.html

That is a very good photo no doubt about it.  The butterfly's wing color 
just seems off.

P. J. Alling wrote:
 I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion.  I worked very 
 hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the 
 while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close.

 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html

 Bob Sullivan wrote:
   
 Peter,
 Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop.
 The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that,
 as well as backlight the wings.  This shot is very good.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 
 The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit.

 Ken Waller wrote:
 
   
 Great butterfly capture!
 I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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 From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter



   
 
 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

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 http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB

 
   
   
 
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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread Walter Hamler
http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB

Is this one any better Peter?

Walt

On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion.  I worked very
 hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the
 while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close.

 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html

 Bob Sullivan wrote:
  Peter,
  Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop.
  The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that,
  as well as backlight the wings.  This shot is very good.
  Regards,  Bob S.
 
  On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit.
 
  Ken Waller wrote:
 
  Great butterfly capture!
  I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side
 
  Kenneth Waller
  http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter
 
 
 
 
  Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
  have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!
 
  Walt
 
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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread Walter Hamler
http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB

Oops. I changed it again.

Walt

On 6/25/08, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB

 Is this one any better Peter?

 Walt

 On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion.  I worked very
  hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the
  while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close.
 
  http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html
 
  Bob Sullivan wrote:
   Peter,
   Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop.
   The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that,
   as well as backlight the wings.  This shot is very good.
   Regards,  Bob S.
  
   On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit.
  
   Ken Waller wrote:
  
   Great butterfly capture!
   I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side
  
   Kenneth Waller
   http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter
  
  
  
  
   Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
   have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!
  
   Walt
  
   http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB
  
  
  
  
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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread P. J. Alling
Well now I'm completely confused.  I guess I shouldn't try to answer 
e-mail before my morning coffee.

I can't seem to get the photo to load.

Walter Hamler wrote:
 http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB

 Is this one any better Peter?

 Walt

 On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion.  I worked very
 hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the
 while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close.

 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html

 Bob Sullivan wrote:
 
 Peter,
 Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop.
 The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that,
 as well as backlight the wings.  This shot is very good.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit.

 Ken Waller wrote:

 
 Great butterfly capture!
 I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
 From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter




   
 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

 Walt

 http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB


 
   
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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Walt:  Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right?  Great 
catch nonetheless!  Cheers, Christine


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 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread P. J. Alling
Walter, the link didn't work for me but I was able to see the photo from 
the previous version going to the gallery.  Yes that's closer to the 
right shade of Orange.  You've punched up the color a bit but still more 
what I would expect.  I wish I could have gotten that close to the 
Monarchs I photographed last year, but they were too skittish. 

P. J. Alling wrote:
 Well now I'm completely confused.  I guess I shouldn't try to answer 
 e-mail before my morning coffee.

 I can't seem to get the photo to load.

 Walter Hamler wrote:
   
 http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB

 Is this one any better Peter?

 Walt

 On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 
 I think Walter has a problem in color space conversion.  I worked very
 hard to get the upper and lower wing colors correct in this shot and the
 while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is pretty close.

 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html

 Bob Sullivan wrote:
 
   
 Peter,
 Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more than 1/2 stop.
 The leaves it sits on look too bright, but bright sunlight can do that,
 as well as backlight the wings.  This shot is very good.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 
 The butterfly's color seems to be off a bit.

 Ken Waller wrote:

 
   
 Great butterfly capture!
 I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
 From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter




   
 
 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

 Walt

 http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB


 
   
   
 
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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread Jack Davis
FYI: The link on this post will not allow loading, but the one that succeeds it 
on Christin's post will.

Jack


--- On Wed, 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 8:22 AM
 Well now I'm completely confused.  I guess I
 shouldn't try to answer 
 e-mail before my morning coffee.
 
 I can't seem to get the photo to load.
 
 Walter Hamler wrote:
 
 http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB
 
  Is this one any better Peter?
 
  Walt
 
  On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I think Walter has a problem in color space
 conversion.  I worked very
  hard to get the upper and lower wing colors
 correct in this shot and the
  while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is
 pretty close.
 
 
 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html
 
  Bob Sullivan wrote:
  
  Peter,
  Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more
 than 1/2 stop.
  The leaves it sits on look too bright, but
 bright sunlight can do that,
  as well as backlight the wings.  This shot is
 very good.
  Regards,  Bob S.
 
  On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

  The butterfly's color seems to be off
 a bit.
 
  Ken Waller wrote:
 
  
  Great butterfly capture!
  I'd crop out the parts of the
 plant on the RH side
 
  Kenneth Waller
  http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Walter Hamler
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter
 
 
 
 

  Local Nursery has a Butterfly
 House. Great opportunity for pics but I
  have learned bigtime that macro is
 hard!!!
 
  Walt
 
 
 http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB
 
 
  

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread P. J. Alling
The changed image can be accessed by closing the displayed image at that 
link and displaying the local gallery.  You can then open the changed 
image.  It's a bit brighter overall than I think it should be but the 
color of the butterfly is much closer to what it should be.

Jack Davis wrote:
 FYI: The link on this post will not allow loading, but the one that succeeds 
 it on Christin's post will.

 Jack


 --- On Wed, 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 8:22 AM
 Well now I'm completely confused.  I guess I
 shouldn't try to answer 
 e-mail before my morning coffee.

 I can't seem to get the photo to load.

 Walter Hamler wrote:
 
 http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#319734557_4Cjdn-XL-LB
 
 Is this one any better Peter?

 Walt

 On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling
   
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
   
 I think Walter has a problem in color space
 
 conversion.  I worked very
 
 hard to get the upper and lower wing colors
 
 correct in this shot and the
 
 while I enhanced the brightness a bit this is
 
 pretty close.
 
 
 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/monarchgallery/monarch3.html
 
 Bob Sullivan wrote:
 
 
 Peter,
 Maybe it's a bit overexposed, but not more
   
 than 1/2 stop.
 
 The leaves it sits on look too bright, but
   
 bright sunlight can do that,
 
 as well as backlight the wings.  This shot is
   
 very good.
 
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, P. J. Alling
   
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
   
 The butterfly's color seems to be off
 
 a bit.
 
 Ken Waller wrote:

 
 
 Great butterfly capture!
 I'd crop out the parts of the
   
 plant on the RH side
 
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
 From: Walter Hamler
   
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter




   
   
 Local Nursery has a Butterfly
 
 House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 
 have learned bigtime that macro is
 
 hard!!!
 
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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Walt and Peter,
I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color,
especially since flash was used.
Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg
Regards,  Bob S.

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 Hi Walt:  Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right?  Great
 catch nonetheless!  Cheers, Christine


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 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread AlunFoto
Peter, Walt, Bob,

Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color?
I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of
monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is
mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult
females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than
usual.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b

Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-)

Jostein

2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Walt and Peter,
 I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color,
 especially since flash was used.
 Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine  Aguila
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Walt:  Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right?  Great
 catch nonetheless!  Cheers, Christine


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 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread P. J. Alling
Damnifiknow.  The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to 
read.  I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color 
differences.  Monarchs live  in every temperate climate and overwinter 
in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters 
have ever shown a particularly large color variation.  On the other hand 
the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were 
reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a 
few images without first converting to the correct color space.

AlunFoto wrote:
 Peter, Walt, Bob,

 Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color?
 I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of
 monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is
 mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult
 females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than
 usual.

 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b

 Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-)

 Jostein

 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   
 Walt and Peter,
 I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color,
 especially since flash was used.
 Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine  Aguila
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi Walt:  Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right?  Great
 catch nonetheless!  Cheers, Christine


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 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

 Walt

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread Walter Hamler
Peter, if you look at the pic Bob posted of the butterfly that looks
like mine, it is not a Monarch, but a cousin, the Queen Butterfly. I
believe the simple answer to the problem is that the butterfly I
shot is in fact a Queen Butterfly. I will ask the folks tomorrow at
the nursery as they are pretty knowledgable on the subject.

Thanks all for the input and comments. It's been fun.

Walt

On 6/25/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Damnifiknow.  The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to
 read.  I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color
 differences.  Monarchs live  in every temperate climate and overwinter
 in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters
 have ever shown a particularly large color variation.  On the other hand
 the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were
 reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a
 few images without first converting to the correct color space.

 AlunFoto wrote:
  Peter, Walt, Bob,
 
  Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color?
  I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of
  monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is
  mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult
  females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than
  usual.
 
  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1_user=10_rdoc=1_fmt=_orig=search_sort=dview=c_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b
 
  Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-)
 
  Jostein
 
  2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Walt and Peter,
  I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color,
  especially since flash was used.
  Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD.
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144size=lg
  Regards,  Bob S.
 
  On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine  Aguila
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Walt:  Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right?  
  Great
  catch nonetheless!  Cheers, Christine
 
 
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  Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
  have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!
 
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PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-24 Thread Walter Hamler
Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

Walt

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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Very nice Walt.
It's had to get that well focused.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-24 Thread Jack Davis
Really a well caught shot. The DOF issue with macros is somewhat reduced by the 
broadside angle to this, more or less, two dimensional critter.
To me, it needs more light (flash?) to appreciate the really fine detail.

Jack


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 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for
 pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!
 
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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-24 Thread Walter Hamler
Thanks Bob. This one was probably my best one as far as focus. I had
two or three others that were better composed but I missed the focus.
I am using a Phoenix 100mm f/3.5 manual focus and it is tough for
these tired eyes.
I plan to go back several more times (it's cheap!) and try to hone the skills.

Walt

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 Very nice Walt.
 It's had to get that well focused.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
  have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!
 
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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-24 Thread Walter Hamler
Thanks Jack.
My new (old) Vivitar 283 was working hard. I think I could add some
more fill in Lightroom/Photoshop to bring out a little more.

Walt

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 Really a well caught shot. The DOF issue with macros is somewhat reduced by 
 the broadside angle to this, more or less, two dimensional critter.
 To me, it needs more light (flash?) to appreciate the really fine detail.

 Jack


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  From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for
  pics but I
  have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!
 
  Walt
 
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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-24 Thread pnstenquist
Macro may be hard, but you got it right here. Excellent shot.
Paul
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 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!
 
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Re: PESO-Butterfly Encounter

2008-06-24 Thread Ken Waller
Great butterfly capture!
I'd crop out the parts of the plant on the RH side

Kenneth Waller
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 Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I
 have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!!

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