Re: PZ1p
On Jul 25, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > Maybe because they're the best-handling, most versatile body Pentax ever > produced? Have you tried it with the grip strap? Best accessory ever. > I plan to sell mine soon, because I haven't shot any film in over 2 years, > but 'twill bring a tear to my eye. Same here, pretty much word for word. I'll get around to it one day. I'll probably sell my LX as well :( As for the K2, that that's a cold-dead-hands camera. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PZ1p
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Rick Womer wrote: > Maybe because they're the best-handling, most versatile body Pentax > ever produced? I plan to sell mine soon, because I haven't shot any > film in over 2 years, but 'twill bring a tear to my eye. I wouldn't have minded having it but his younger son is getting the photo gear. I took on digitizing and archiving the results. hope I live long enough to finish the job... I really enjoyed shooting and talking shop with him. -- "Love" is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition.- Robert Heinlein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PZ1p
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > > --- On Sat, 7/24/10, John Sessoms wrote: > >> About $125 USD - that's what I paid for one recently. I >> know where there's another for sale right now with a cheap >> off brand zoom lens for that same price ... if for some >> reason I decided I needed 3 of them. >> > > Maybe because they're the best-handling, most versatile body Pentax ever > produced? I plan to sell mine soon, because I haven't shot any film in over > 2 years, but 'twill bring a tear to my eye. > > Rick > Having owned most of the competing bodies, I'd have to agree. the PZ-1p is an excellent body and one of the best bodies ever made in its class. IMHO only the Maxxum 7 really stands out over the PZ-1p, and that's a 6 year newer design -Adam Who has over the years owned the Nikon F801, F801s, F70, F90x and F100, the Canon A2 (EOS 5) and EOS 3, the Minolta Maxxum 600si, 700si and 7 and the Z-1p. The Maxxum 7 is my favourite, but I'd take the Z-1p over most of the rest. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PZ1p
--- On Sat, 7/24/10, John Sessoms wrote: > About $125 USD - that's what I paid for one recently. I > know where there's another for sale right now with a cheap > off brand zoom lens for that same price ... if for some > reason I decided I needed 3 of them. > Maybe because they're the best-handling, most versatile body Pentax ever produced? I plan to sell mine soon, because I haven't shot any film in over 2 years, but 'twill bring a tear to my eye. Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PZ1p
From: Bran Everseeking what would the value of a PZ1p be? going through My Father in Law's stuff and there is family fighting. About $125 USD - that's what I paid for one recently. I know where there's another for sale right now with a cheap off brand zoom lens for that same price ... if for some reason I decided I needed 3 of them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PZ1p
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:07:53 -0500 CheekyGeek wrote: > The last two answers are in the price range that I have seen them go > for most often. ($125-150 for body only). thanks all. -- "Love" is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition.- Robert Heinlein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PZ1p
The last two answers are in the price range that I have seen them go for most often. ($125-150 for body only). If it has a 50mm AF lens on it, that is worth more than the body. Darren Addy Kearney, NE On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:16 PM, George Sinos wrote: > So the bottom line, quick sale to a dealer will net you about $40-50. > If you take the time to sell it yourself, you'll get around $100-125. > > George Sinos > > gsi...@gmail.com > www.georgesphotos.net > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >> That's what they're paying, which is below market value. They sell >> them for $110-120 in EX condition. >> >> -Adam >> >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:58 PM, George Sinos wrote: >>> keh.com online quote is $40 for a pz1p in excellent condition. >>> >>> George Sinos >>> >>> gsi...@gmail.com >>> www.georgesphotos.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Bran Everseeking >>> wrote: >>>> what would the value of a PZ1p be? going through My Father in Law's >>>> stuff and there is family fighting. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "Love" is that condition in which the happiness of another person is >>>> essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy >>>> condition.- Robert Heinlein >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> M. Adam Maas >> http://www.mawz.ca >> Explorations of the City Around Us. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Nothing is sure, except Death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PZ1p
So the bottom line, quick sale to a dealer will net you about $40-50. If you take the time to sell it yourself, you'll get around $100-125. George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > That's what they're paying, which is below market value. They sell > them for $110-120 in EX condition. > > -Adam > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:58 PM, George Sinos wrote: >> keh.com online quote is $40 for a pz1p in excellent condition. >> >> George Sinos >> >> gsi...@gmail.com >> www.georgesphotos.net >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Bran Everseeking >> wrote: >>> what would the value of a PZ1p be? going through My Father in Law's >>> stuff and there is family fighting. >>> >>> -- >>> "Love" is that condition in which the happiness of another person is >>> essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy >>> condition.- Robert Heinlein >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > M. Adam Maas > http://www.mawz.ca > Explorations of the City Around Us. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PZ1p
That's what they're paying, which is below market value. They sell them for $110-120 in EX condition. -Adam On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:58 PM, George Sinos wrote: > keh.com online quote is $40 for a pz1p in excellent condition. > > George Sinos > > gsi...@gmail.com > www.georgesphotos.net > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Bran Everseeking > wrote: >> what would the value of a PZ1p be? going through My Father in Law's >> stuff and there is family fighting. >> >> -- >> "Love" is that condition in which the happiness of another person is >> essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy >> condition.- Robert Heinlein >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PZ1p
keh.com online quote is $40 for a pz1p in excellent condition. George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Bran Everseeking wrote: > what would the value of a PZ1p be? going through My Father in Law's > stuff and there is family fighting. > > -- > "Love" is that condition in which the happiness of another person is > essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy > condition.- Robert Heinlein > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PZ1p
I payed $200CDN for one about a month ago. -Adam On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Bran Everseeking wrote: > what would the value of a PZ1p be? going through My Father in Law's > stuff and there is family fighting. > > -- > "Love" is that condition in which the happiness of another person is > essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy > condition.- Robert Heinlein > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PZ1p
what would the value of a PZ1p be? going through My Father in Law's stuff and there is family fighting. -- "Love" is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition.- Robert Heinlein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: For PZ1p / Z1p users
You are probably right, Dario. I had a Z1 and Z1p for years. I never used this USER function. It's too complicated. The camera is complicated enough with out this. Tell him to go and take some pictures in stead of spending so much time with the manual. IIRC USER SET is the mode for choosing the standard fucnktions. The USER function is for when you want to photograph, using the chosen functions. The K10D has a similar feature. But much more user friendly. I guess Initializing means "beginning" - meaning getting ready for choosing/changing USER funtctions - your standard set up. The manual is here: http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/manual/PZ-1p.pdf Regards Jens Bladt Nytarkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Dario Bonazza Sendt: 19. februar 2007 19:13 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: For PZ1p / Z1p users Hi, A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly purchased secondhand Z1p and rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the main question is what's the difference between: 1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74 of the user manual. and 2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained on page 75. My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you how to customize the USER position of the main switch, while the so called "Initialization" on page 75 is how to reset to default settings. Unfortunately I don't have a Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to understand what's going on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to classic mechanical SLR's interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a step for him at all at once. Any comments? Thanks a lot. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.2/692 - Release Date: 02/18/2007 16:35 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 02/23/2007 13:26 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users
Thanks Bob. I think that now he's going to sleep one night or two. Dario - Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:05 AM Subject: Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users > Dario, > He's in for some sleepless nights! > I've still got a PZ-1p with some film in it > and an instruction manual somewhere. > Ask if you have more problems. > Regards, Bob S. > > On 2/19/07, Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks Joe. However, apparently the mein problem is that the guy couldn't >> sleep without understanding each and every bit of his "new" camera. >> >> Dario >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Joe Wilensky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:30 PM >> Subject: Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users >> >> >> >I as well used the PZ-1p for quite a while and never used the User >> > Set feature. But I know it's useful to some photographers, though I >> > would certainly say he should get to know the camera and most of its >> > functions quite well before using the "User Set" functions at all. By >> > then, he'll have a pretty good idea of what particular set of >> > shooting conditions and settings he'd most like to have available as >> > a quick memorized setting. >> > >> > Joe >> > >> > >> > >> >>It looks to me as though "initializing" the User Set >> >>Functions means clearing them. >> >> >> >>I used a PZ-1p for 10 years and at least 500 rolls of >> >>film, and never used the "User Set" feature. >> >> >> >>Rick >> >> >> >>--- Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> >> >>> A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly >> >>> purchased secondhand Z1p and >> >>> rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the >> >>> main question is what's >> >>> the difference between: >> >>> >> >>> 1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74 >> >>> of the user manual. >> >>> >> >>> and >> >>> >> >>> 2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained >> >>> on page 75. >> >>> >> >>> My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you >> >>> how to customize the >> >>> USER position of the main switch, while the so >> >>> called "Initialization" on >> >>> page 75 is how to reset to default settings. >> >>> Unfortunately I don't have a >> >>> Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to >> >>> understand what's going >> >>> on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to >> >>> classic mechanical SLR's >> >>> interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a >> >>> step for him at all at >> >>> once. >> >>> >> >>> Any comments? Thanks a lot. >> >>> >> >>> Dario >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >>> PDML@pdml.net >> >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. >> >>Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com >> >> >> >>-- >> >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >>PDML@pdml.net >> >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> > PDML@pdml.net >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users
Dario, He's in for some sleepless nights! I've still got a PZ-1p with some film in it and an instruction manual somewhere. Ask if you have more problems. Regards, Bob S. On 2/19/07, Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Joe. However, apparently the mein problem is that the guy couldn't > sleep without understanding each and every bit of his "new" camera. > > Dario > > - Original Message - > From: "Joe Wilensky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users > > > >I as well used the PZ-1p for quite a while and never used the User > > Set feature. But I know it's useful to some photographers, though I > > would certainly say he should get to know the camera and most of its > > functions quite well before using the "User Set" functions at all. By > > then, he'll have a pretty good idea of what particular set of > > shooting conditions and settings he'd most like to have available as > > a quick memorized setting. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > >>It looks to me as though "initializing" the User Set > >>Functions means clearing them. > >> > >>I used a PZ-1p for 10 years and at least 500 rolls of > >>film, and never used the "User Set" feature. > >> > >>Rick > >> > >>--- Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly > >>> purchased secondhand Z1p and > >>> rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the > >>> main question is what's > >>> the difference between: > >>> > >>> 1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74 > >>> of the user manual. > >>> > >>> and > >>> > >>> 2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained > >>> on page 75. > >>> > >>> My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you > >>> how to customize the > >>> USER position of the main switch, while the so > >>> called "Initialization" on > >>> page 75 is how to reset to default settings. > >>> Unfortunately I don't have a > >>> Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to > >>> understand what's going > >>> on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to > >>> classic mechanical SLR's > >>> interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a > >>> step for him at all at > >>> once. > >>> > >>> Any comments? Thanks a lot. > >>> > >>> Dario > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>> PDML@pdml.net > >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>> > >> > >> > >>http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > >>Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > >> > >>-- > >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>PDML@pdml.net > >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users
Thanks Joe. However, apparently the mein problem is that the guy couldn't sleep without understanding each and every bit of his "new" camera. Dario - Original Message - From: "Joe Wilensky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:30 PM Subject: Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users >I as well used the PZ-1p for quite a while and never used the User > Set feature. But I know it's useful to some photographers, though I > would certainly say he should get to know the camera and most of its > functions quite well before using the "User Set" functions at all. By > then, he'll have a pretty good idea of what particular set of > shooting conditions and settings he'd most like to have available as > a quick memorized setting. > > Joe > > > >>It looks to me as though "initializing" the User Set >>Functions means clearing them. >> >>I used a PZ-1p for 10 years and at least 500 rolls of >>film, and never used the "User Set" feature. >> >>Rick >> >>--- Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly >>> purchased secondhand Z1p and >>> rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the >>> main question is what's >>> the difference between: >>> >>> 1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74 >>> of the user manual. >>> >>> and >>> >>> 2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained >>> on page 75. >>> >>> My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you >>> how to customize the >>> USER position of the main switch, while the so >>> called "Initialization" on >>> page 75 is how to reset to default settings. >>> Unfortunately I don't have a >>> Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to >>> understand what's going >>> on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to >>> classic mechanical SLR's >>> interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a >>> step for him at all at >>> once. >>> >>> Any comments? Thanks a lot. >>> >>> Dario >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >> >> >>http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW >> >> >> >> >>Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. >>Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users
Thanks Mike. I understand what you mean. ten years ago I used the Z1p for a weekend or two, and I also found some problems in understanding all its functions by following the manual. Dario - Original Message - From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users > >> >> From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: 2007/02/19 Mon PM 06:13:06 GMT >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Subject: For PZ1p / Z1p users >> >> Hi, >> >> A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly purchased secondhand Z1p >> and >> rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the main question is >> what's >> the difference between: >> >> 1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74 of the user manual. >> >> and >> >> 2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained on page 75. >> >> My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you how to customize the >> USER position of the main switch, while the so called "Initialization" on >> page 75 is how to reset to default settings. Unfortunately I don't have a >> Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to understand what's >> going >> on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to classic mechanical SLR's >> interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a step for him at all at >> once. > > You are right, the "Initialisation" does remove all settings... > > Not sure if it defaults to a specific set or just takes up what is set for > the "On" position. That's what mine just did. > > To be fair to your friend, the manual is a classic mistranslation. I find > it exceptionally tortuous and obtuse. Still haven't worked out some > parts. > >> >> Any comments? Thanks a lot. >> >> Dario >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > - > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users
Thanks Rick. My friend's problem was also due to a further mis-translation from English to Italian, since "Initializing" on page 75 has been translated into "Activating", which sure won't help in understanding it means "Resetting". OK, my friend came home and we tried "initializing" the USER SET function, and it works how I explained him at the phone. Apparently, doing that at Dario's home was a good way to calm down that worried guy (which I guess won't truly need the USER function :-). Dario - Original Message - From: "Rick Womer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users > It looks to me as though "initializing" the User Set > Functions means clearing them. > > I used a PZ-1p for 10 years and at least 500 rolls of > film, and never used the "User Set" feature. > > Rick > > --- Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly >> purchased secondhand Z1p and >> rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the >> main question is what's >> the difference between: >> >> 1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74 >> of the user manual. >> >> and >> >> 2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained >> on page 75. >> >> My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you >> how to customize the >> USER position of the main switch, while the so >> called "Initialization" on >> page 75 is how to reset to default settings. >> Unfortunately I don't have a >> Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to >> understand what's going >> on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to >> classic mechanical SLR's >> interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a >> step for him at all at >> once. >> >> Any comments? Thanks a lot. >> >> Dario >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> >To be fair to your friend, the manual is a classic mistranslation. I find >it exceptionally tortuous and obtuse. Still haven't worked out some parts. > Amen. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> > From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/02/19 Mon PM 06:13:06 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: For PZ1p / Z1p users > > Hi, > > A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly purchased secondhand Z1p and > rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the main question is what's > the difference between: > > 1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74 of the user manual. > > and > > 2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained on page 75. > > My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you how to customize the > USER position of the main switch, while the so called "Initialization" on > page 75 is how to reset to default settings. Unfortunately I don't have a > Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to understand what's going > on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to classic mechanical SLR's > interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a step for him at all at > once. You are right, the "Initialisation" does remove all settings... Not sure if it defaults to a specific set or just takes up what is set for the "On" position. That's what mine just did. To be fair to your friend, the manual is a classic mistranslation. I find it exceptionally tortuous and obtuse. Still haven't worked out some parts. > > Any comments? Thanks a lot. > > Dario > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users
I as well used the PZ-1p for quite a while and never used the User Set feature. But I know it's useful to some photographers, though I would certainly say he should get to know the camera and most of its functions quite well before using the "User Set" functions at all. By then, he'll have a pretty good idea of what particular set of shooting conditions and settings he'd most like to have available as a quick memorized setting. Joe >It looks to me as though "initializing" the User Set >Functions means clearing them. > >I used a PZ-1p for 10 years and at least 500 rolls of >film, and never used the "User Set" feature. > >Rick > >--- Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly >> purchased secondhand Z1p and >> rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the >> main question is what's >> the difference between: >> >> 1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74 >> of the user manual. >> >> and >> >> 2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained >> on page 75. >> >> My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you >> how to customize the >> USER position of the main switch, while the so >> called "Initialization" on >> page 75 is how to reset to default settings. >> Unfortunately I don't have a >> Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to >> understand what's going >> on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to >> classic mechanical SLR's >> interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a >> step for him at all at >> once. >> >> Any comments? Thanks a lot. >> >> Dario >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > >http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > >Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. >Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: For PZ1p / Z1p users
It looks to me as though "initializing" the User Set Functions means clearing them. I used a PZ-1p for 10 years and at least 500 rolls of film, and never used the "User Set" feature. Rick --- Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly > purchased secondhand Z1p and > rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the > main question is what's > the difference between: > > 1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74 > of the user manual. > > and > > 2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained > on page 75. > > My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you > how to customize the > USER position of the main switch, while the so > called "Initialization" on > page 75 is how to reset to default settings. > Unfortunately I don't have a > Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to > understand what's going > on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to > classic mechanical SLR's > interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a > step for him at all at > once. > > Any comments? Thanks a lot. > > Dario > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
For PZ1p / Z1p users
Hi, A friend of mine is going crazy with his newly purchased secondhand Z1p and rings me all the time to get explanations. Today the main question is what's the difference between: 1 - USER SET FUNCTION procedure explained on page 74 of the user manual. and 2 -Initializing the USER SET FUNCTION as explained on page 75. My guess is that the procedure on page 74 tells you how to customize the USER position of the main switch, while the so called "Initialization" on page 75 is how to reset to default settings. Unfortunately I don't have a Z1p at hand and the Z1p owner is not smart enough to understand what's going on with his camera, as he is only accustomed to classic mechanical SLR's interface, while the Z1p is apparently too much a step for him at all at once. Any comments? Thanks a lot. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
Hi, Patrick Pritchard wrote: > I've never really liked Canon. Not sure why; I've used them, but then > again only the lower grade stuff such as the Rebel X. Perhaps an EOS-1 > might be better? Can anyone comment on the EOS-1 AF, or point me to > some resources? I've had a good play with a 3. [And Cotty let me hold his, once 8-)] For some reason, I find them unwieldy and unpleasant to use. There seems to be a lack of delicacy to the controls. That's probably a good thing for a PJ uberkamera but, for me, it detracts from the pleasure of using it. mike
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
This I know. It isn't an issue of the AF being the top notch, but given >that F4 was the flagship at one point, and a LOT of people used it, the AF >can't be *that* bad, all things considered. The F-4 was Nikon's first AF pro body. The AF is primitive compared to current top of the line models. It is also IIRC Nikon's heaviest film body, however the sealing and duty cycle are pro caliber. Nikon lenses also have a certain look to them, high acutance but not always pleasing bokeh. I would sit down and decide which features are most important to you. If the sealing and duty cycle is the F-4 may still be your best option though a used F-100 might suit your needs and has a faster AF. The PZ-1p is the most pro speced Pentax AF body and it has a good reputation for being dependable, but it is not sealed, has no PC socket and uses a lithium battery. If you can live with those features I would go with the Pentax as you already have some MF lenses, having an all manual back up body is very handy (K-1000) and you may find especially with wide angles that you're happy with MF. Also $500 sound steep for a PZ-1p. I bought my Z-1p in mint condition for $300 (thanks again Leon) and have been very happy with it. I would think with a little perseverance you could find one in that price range too. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
On Thursday, August 23, 2001, at 03:13 AM, Alan Chan wrote: My dilemma is this: - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning towards a used F4) If I remember correctly, F4 was said to be the greatest manual focus camera ever. Yes, you read it correctly, I said manual focus. The first Nikon with good AF was F90 if I am not mistaken, and F90X which was a hugely successful model, then the F5 & F100. The F801s which I had, had inferior AF to the Z-1p, and I would expect the same for previous models. My friend's F90X has slightly better AF than my Z-1p, but for some reason it also produces very annoying noise during AF. Yes. A friend had the F90 when it first came out, and loved the AF in it. I guess I was mistaken on my assumptions for the F4 then. Why bother Pentax or Nikon then? Why not go Canon to enjoy full USM & IS capability? You would be fooling yourself to believe Z-1p or MZ-S offer the same AF ability as high end Canon. Being able to use IS without tripod is a big plus as well. I've never really liked Canon. Not sure why; I've used them, but then again only the lower grade stuff such as the Rebel X. Perhaps an EOS-1 might be better? Can anyone comment on the EOS-1 AF, or point me to some resources?
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
I think that the last Pentax camera body that was really well sealed was the LX. The PZ-1p certainly is not, and I think that the MZ-S is not either. Actually the LX is not only the last sealed camera, but the ONLY one too in the entire Pentax history so it is quite unrealistic to expect Pentax will do it again. Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
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This I know. It isn't an issue of the AF being the top notch, but given that F4 was the flagship at one point, and a LOT of people used it, the AF can't be *that* bad, all things considered. Because lots of people were using manual focus with the F4 back then. Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
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Along with that, even though the FA 135/2.8 isn't a * lens, it is built like a tank much like the * lenses. It's a very good performer. The body is built like a tank, but the focusing mecnahism is not. It is loose and lacks precision for manual focus. Optically, it is inferior to the M135/3.5 near wide open. Still a fine AF lens though. My personal hunch is that the Nikon or Canon pro grade bodies are going to be more rugged and better at AF. Much as I love Pentax, for what you are describing, it may not be the best choice. Same way I feel. Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
Well, if it is no sealed, then no way the MZ-S will be nearly as dust resistance as the LX. The dust & water will get inside the MZ-S from the dials in no time. Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan If your choice is Pentax then the MZ-S might be better. It doesn't have gaskets against dust penetration as did the LX (and I think the top level Nikons) but is built to very close tolerances with the intention of resisting dust and moisture, or so I've read. _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
My dilemma is this: - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning towards a used F4) If I remember correctly, F4 was said to be the greatest manual focus camera ever. Yes, you read it correctly, I said manual focus. The first Nikon with good AF was F90 if I am not mistaken, and F90X which was a hugely successful model, then the F5 & F100. The F801s which I had, had inferior AF to the Z-1p, and I would expect the same for previous models. My friend's F90X has slightly better AF than my Z-1p, but for some reason it also produces very annoying noise during AF. - If I stay with Pentax, should I go with PZ1P or MZ-S? The single AF sensor is a serious limiting factor for any moving subjects imho. I've read various reports here on the list of Pentax slowly pulling faster pro grade lenses. This has me concerned, as I will need those lenses later (e.g., 85/1.4 to replace my current MF 85/1.4, 24/2 to replace 24/2.8 I am using now, etc.). I think nobody really knows here. The way I see it, Pentax is either retreating from 135, or on its way to produce USM like lenses. To replace FA/FA* lenses with another set of non-USM lenses doesn't make sense. The PZ1P and F4 go for comparable prices (albeit not comparable condition) on KEH, which I have been using as a quasi-benchmark for my price checks. No matter where I go, I will end up buying new lenses in AF to replace my current MF lineup. Why bother Pentax or Nikon then? Why not go Canon to enjoy full USM & IS capability? You would be fooling yourself to believe Z-1p or MZ-S offer the same AF ability as high end Canon. Being able to use IS without tripod is a big plus as well. Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
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On Tuesday, March 23, 2004, at 12:03 AM, tom wrote: It's been a few years, but iirc, it was pretty bad. It's nickname was the "best manual focus camera Nikon ever made." *WOW*. Yes, I have received other eMails regarding this off of the list, and I hear it repeatedly. I haven't done much research into Nikon's AF yet, basing most of my opinions on the market share, which I know is a flawed approach. >blush< Technically. Nikon put out a few versions of AF between the F4 and F5. The only other alternative to F4 is an F100, but that brings me back up to MZ-S prices.
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
Hi, If fast AF is what you need, the Nikon F100 is faster than the F4 or F5. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "Patrick Pritchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon? > Hello all. > > I've decided that within the next year (specifically, before September > 2005) I would like to move up to AF. This is mainly because I will be > in Australia doing some shoots at the World Solar Challenge, where MF > didn't quite cut it last time I was out. I'd also like to move into > more sports, where AF would be a huge advantage. > > My dilemma is this: > > - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning towards a > used F4) > - If I stay with Pentax, should I go with PZ1P or MZ-S? > > I've read various reports here on the list of Pentax slowly pulling > faster pro grade lenses. This has me concerned, as I will need those > lenses later (e.g., 85/1.4 to replace my current MF 85/1.4, 24/2 to > replace 24/2.8 I am using now, etc.). > > The PZ1P and F4 go for comparable prices (albeit not comparable > condition) on KEH, which I have been using as a quasi-benchmark for my > price checks. No matter where I go, I will end up buying new lenses in > AF to replace my current MF lineup. > > From my research and contemplating the subject, here's what I've come > up with: > > Pentax: > Pro: > I can use my old MF lenses for now > Currently lenses are available, and used market is so-so for finding > the fast lenses I'll need later > I am very familiar with the system, and the quality of the lenses; I > will not have to change much in terms of darkroom work to compensate > for a new lens "type" > If I find a good deal on an AF lens *NOW*, I can buy it and still use > it on my Super Program > Has 3 of the 4 lenses I desire: 35/2.0, 24/2.0, 85/1.4 > Con: > Pentax seems to be pulling out, and making pro grade stuff less > available > ZERO rental support; if I need a particular lens in AF, I can't get > it anywhere else, to my knowledge in Toronto, Canada > Pentax lacks a good mid-range telephoto (e.g., 135/2.0), although > they do offer the 135/2.8 which is FA, not FA* > > Nikon: > Pro: > F4 is a proven workhorse > Cost is comparable to PZ1P @ ~$500 for used body > TONNES of rental support > Has the key lenses I want: 35/2.0, 135/2.0, 24/2.0, 85/1.4 > Con: > I'll end up starting from scratch in terms of lens lineup > Looking at side by side prints by myself and a friends F90X a few > years ago, the Nikon had more contrast; this means more fiddling in the > darkroom to get my procedure's down to the way I want them again. > > My renting is a minor issue at the moment. No matter who I go with, my > first lens will undoubtedly be either the 35/2.0 from Pentax, or the > 35/2.0 D from Nikon, and from there work up to a mid-telephoto, wider > zoom, then telephoto. However for sports and the like, I'll need > longer and faster lenses, and this is a problem area for Pentax, only > in terms of availability. > > Build quality is a VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. I'll be dealing with harsh > environments: lots of bumping around, lots of jostling; extreme > temperatures (-20 when I shoot at home up to 45+ when I shoot in the > summer); lots of moisture (think dance clubs with 1000+ people all > crammed into a tiny room, and everyone is sweating). When I came back > from the outback last time, I had sand in my socks, which were *in my > bag*, so I don't want to risk sand or moisture getting into the bodies. > Lens build is also important. While I've been extremely happy with my > all metal K-mount MF lenses, the newer Pentax lenses look pretty > plasticy to me; I'm not sure how they'll hold up. > > I'd like to here comments from anybody out there who has used PZ1P, > MZ-S or F4. I love my Pentax system as it is, and have built up quite > a collection of gear (a bunch of lenses, a bellows [ easily one of my > favorite toys; I love Macro work ], motor drives, etc.) and it has > treated me well. However for AF everything changes, mainly in terms of > availability (Pentax has a small market share) and build quality > (everything these days seems to be made of plastic). > > Cheers, > Patrick > >
RE: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
You may want to look at the F90X. I bought on last year as a back up AF body for my D1,just incase it went down, i could still shoot film at my horse shows and salvage some sales. Its a nice camera,AF is fast and the body feels very rugged. I found a site on the web that had a comparison of the 90X and F4(which i was going to buy)but the features of the 90X looked a lot better than the F4,so i bought it. Payed around $850 Canadian with battery grip which enables verticasl shooting. Dave PS i'll see if i can find the site in my bookmarks > -Original Message- Original Message - > >> AF> From: "Patrick Pritchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>>> Hello all. > >>>> > >>>> I've decided that within the next year (specifically, > >> before September > >>>> 2005) I would like to move up to AF. This is mainly > >> because I will be > >>>> in Australia doing some shoots at the World Solar > >> Challenge, where MF > >>>> didn't quite cut it last time I was out. I'd also like to > >> move into > >>>> more sports, where AF would be a huge advantage. > >>>> > >>>> My dilemma is this: > >>>> > >>>> - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning > >> towards a > >>>> used F4) > >>>> - If I stay with Pentax, should I go with PZ1P or MZ-S? > >>>> > >> AF> (snip) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
RE: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
I had a chance to play with friends' Nikon gears couple of days ago. A F100 and a F5 I would suggest that if Canon is not considered, the F100 is a wonderful machine. The fastest shutter speed is 1/8000 and the fast built-in winder can allow you to finish a roll of film in no time! The AF is swift and accurate. The F5, even though it's the top of the class, I think it's very heavy and too much control and fiddly. So with my limited experience, I suggest the F100 with a grip. The MZS, a wonderful machine, but I think in this case, the Nikon is slightly better suited for the job. Andy -Original Message- From: Patrick Pritchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon? On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 11:15 PM, tom wrote: > The AF on the F4 ain't exactly going to set the world on fire. If you > want > noticeably better AF you need to buy one of Nikon or Canon's current > (or > maybe a generation back) pro bodies. The mid level or older pro bodies > aren't any better than the MZ-S. This I know. It isn't an issue of the AF being the top notch, but given that F4 was the flagship at one point, and a LOT of people used it, the AF can't be *that* bad, all things considered. MZ-S is still double the price of F4. And by your definition, isn't the F4 one generation behind the current pro line? Pro being F5? Or was the F4S somewhere in between? -patrick > > tv > >> -Original Message- >> From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:48 PM >> To: Anthony Farr >> Subject: Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon? >> >> Along with that, even though the FA 135/2.8 isn't a * lens, >> it is built like a tank much like the * lenses. It's a very >> good performer. >> >> My personal hunch is that the Nikon or Canon pro grade bodies >> are going to be more rugged and better at AF. Much as I love >> Pentax, for what you are describing, it may not be the best choice. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Bruce >> >> >> Monday, March 22, 2004, 6:28:50 PM, you wrote: >> >> AF> By all reports the (P)Z1p is a dustcatcher. That could >> be a problem in >> AF> central Australia. Rob Studdert could probably tell you >> what you need to >> AF> know regarding this. If your choice is Pentax then the >> MZ-S might be >> AF> better. It doesn't have gaskets against dust penetration >> as did the LX (and >> AF> I think the top level Nikons) but is built to very close >> tolerances with the >> AF> intention of resisting dust and moisture, or so I've read. >> >> AF> regards, >> AF> Anthony Farr >> >> AF> - Original Message - >> AF> From: "Patrick Pritchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>> Hello all. >>>> >>>> I've decided that within the next year (specifically, >> before September >>>> 2005) I would like to move up to AF. This is mainly >> because I will be >>>> in Australia doing some shoots at the World Solar >> Challenge, where MF >>>> didn't quite cut it last time I was out. I'd also like to >> move into >>>> more sports, where AF would be a huge advantage. >>>> >>>> My dilemma is this: >>>> >>>> - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning >> towards a >>>> used F4) >>>> - If I stay with Pentax, should I go with PZ1P or MZ-S? >>>> >> AF> (snip) >> >> >> >> >> > > >
RE: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
Hello Patrick I have use both AF ans MF for the last 12 years. I think all the cameras you mention are nice and very high quality. I only own 3 AF lenses. If AF was so much better, I guess I would have had a lot more AF lenses by now! What is important is to get a camera you like to use. A camera the feels right for your kind of work. If it does, you'll get nice photgraphs. If all the buttons are "in the wrong place", you might not. I recently got the MZ-S. I can tell you it's a joy to use. Kind of retro - has a button for each of the most important things (meter-mode, drive, bracketing, exposure comp., AF-mode, AE-lock, AF-lock, shutterspeed, aperture, choise of focus-point). Not "MENU's". Easy - at a glance overview. Clean viewfinder with nothing att all inside the frame. Rarely hunting focus. It's is simply pleasing to hold and to fire. My favorite. I guess it's less expensive than the F4. Use the difference for AF lenses. All the best Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Patrick Pritchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 23. marts 2004 03:15 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon? Hello all. I've decided that within the next year (specifically, before September 2005) I would like to move up to AF. This is mainly because I will be in Australia doing some shoots at the World Solar Challenge, where MF didn't quite cut it last time I was out. I'd also like to move into more sports, where AF would be a huge advantage. My dilemma is this: - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning towards a used F4) - If I stay with Pentax, should I go with PZ1P or MZ-S? I've read various reports here on the list of Pentax slowly pulling faster pro grade lenses. This has me concerned, as I will need those lenses later (e.g., 85/1.4 to replace my current MF 85/1.4, 24/2 to replace 24/2.8 I am using now, etc.). The PZ1P and F4 go for comparable prices (albeit not comparable condition) on KEH, which I have been using as a quasi-benchmark for my price checks. No matter where I go, I will end up buying new lenses in AF to replace my current MF lineup. From my research and contemplating the subject, here's what I've come up with: Pentax: Pro: I can use my old MF lenses for now Currently lenses are available, and used market is so-so for finding the fast lenses I'll need later I am very familiar with the system, and the quality of the lenses; I will not have to change much in terms of darkroom work to compensate for a new lens "type" If I find a good deal on an AF lens *NOW*, I can buy it and still use it on my Super Program Has 3 of the 4 lenses I desire: 35/2.0, 24/2.0, 85/1.4 Con: Pentax seems to be pulling out, and making pro grade stuff less available ZERO rental support; if I need a particular lens in AF, I can't get it anywhere else, to my knowledge in Toronto, Canada Pentax lacks a good mid-range telephoto (e.g., 135/2.0), although they do offer the 135/2.8 which is FA, not FA* Nikon: Pro: F4 is a proven workhorse Cost is comparable to PZ1P @ ~$500 for used body TONNES of rental support Has the key lenses I want: 35/2.0, 135/2.0, 24/2.0, 85/1.4 Con: I'll end up starting from scratch in terms of lens lineup Looking at side by side prints by myself and a friends F90X a few years ago, the Nikon had more contrast; this means more fiddling in the darkroom to get my procedure's down to the way I want them again. My renting is a minor issue at the moment. No matter who I go with, my first lens will undoubtedly be either the 35/2.0 from Pentax, or the 35/2.0 D from Nikon, and from there work up to a mid-telephoto, wider zoom, then telephoto. However for sports and the like, I'll need longer and faster lenses, and this is a problem area for Pentax, only in terms of availability. Build quality is a VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. I'll be dealing with harsh environments: lots of bumping around, lots of jostling; extreme temperatures (-20 when I shoot at home up to 45+ when I shoot in the summer); lots of moisture (think dance clubs with 1000+ people all crammed into a tiny room, and everyone is sweating). When I came back from the outback last time, I had sand in my socks, which were *in my bag*, so I don't want to risk sand or moisture getting into the bodies. Lens build is also important. While I've been extremely happy with my all metal K-mount MF lenses, the newer Pentax lenses look pretty plasticy to me; I'm not sure how they'll hold up. I'd like to here comments from anybody out t
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
The AF performance of Canon EOS 1n still performs very well when conpared to newer high end AF bodies. The price of these is quite good also in the current market, might be something worth considering. Patrick Pritchard wrote: On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 11:15 PM, tom wrote: The AF on the F4 ain't exactly going to set the world on fire. If you want noticeably better AF you need to buy one of Nikon or Canon's current (or maybe a generation back) pro bodies. The mid level or older pro bodies aren't any better than the MZ-S. This I know. It isn't an issue of the AF being the top notch, but given that F4 was the flagship at one point, and a LOT of people used it, the AF can't be *that* bad, all things considered. MZ-S is still double the price of F4. And by your definition, isn't the F4 one generation behind the current pro line? Pro being F5? Or was the F4S somewhere in between? -patrick tv -Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:48 PM To: Anthony Farr Subject: Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon? Along with that, even though the FA 135/2.8 isn't a * lens, it is built like a tank much like the * lenses. It's a very good performer. My personal hunch is that the Nikon or Canon pro grade bodies are going to be more rugged and better at AF. Much as I love Pentax, for what you are describing, it may not be the best choice. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, March 22, 2004, 6:28:50 PM, you wrote: AF> By all reports the (P)Z1p is a dustcatcher. That could be a problem in AF> central Australia. Rob Studdert could probably tell you what you need to AF> know regarding this. If your choice is Pentax then the MZ-S might be AF> better. It doesn't have gaskets against dust penetration as did the LX (and AF> I think the top level Nikons) but is built to very close tolerances with the AF> intention of resisting dust and moisture, or so I've read. AF> regards, AF> Anthony Farr AF> - Original Message - AF> From: "Patrick Pritchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all. I've decided that within the next year (specifically, before September 2005) I would like to move up to AF. This is mainly because I will be in Australia doing some shoots at the World Solar Challenge, where MF didn't quite cut it last time I was out. I'd also like to move into more sports, where AF would be a huge advantage. My dilemma is this: - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning towards a used F4) - If I stay with Pentax, should I go with PZ1P or MZ-S? AF> (snip)
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
I've heard a number of people described the Nikon F4 as Nikons best manual focus body. This I know. It isn't an issue of the AF being the top notch, but given that F4 was the flagship at one point, and a LOT of people used it, the AF can't be *that* bad, all things considered.
RE: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
I have put the MZ-S beside an F100 with similar lenses and found the auto focus speeds to be the same, or at least imperceptible differences. David Madsen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.davidmadsen.com -Original Message- From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 9:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon? The AF on the F4 ain't exactly going to set the world on fire. If you want noticeably better AF you need to buy one of Nikon or Canon's current (or maybe a generation back) pro bodies. The mid level or older pro bodies aren't any better than the MZ-S. tv > -Original Message- > From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:48 PM > To: Anthony Farr > Subject: Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon? > > Along with that, even though the FA 135/2.8 isn't a * lens, > it is built like a tank much like the * lenses. It's a very > good performer. > > My personal hunch is that the Nikon or Canon pro grade bodies > are going to be more rugged and better at AF. Much as I love > Pentax, for what you are describing, it may not be the best choice. > > -- > Best regards, > Bruce > > > Monday, March 22, 2004, 6:28:50 PM, you wrote: > > AF> By all reports the (P)Z1p is a dustcatcher. That could > be a problem in > AF> central Australia. Rob Studdert could probably tell you > what you need to > AF> know regarding this. If your choice is Pentax then the > MZ-S might be > AF> better. It doesn't have gaskets against dust penetration > as did the LX (and > AF> I think the top level Nikons) but is built to very close > tolerances with the > AF> intention of resisting dust and moisture, or so I've read. > > AF> regards, > AF> Anthony Farr > > AF> - Original Message - > AF> From: "Patrick Pritchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Hello all. > >> > >> I've decided that within the next year (specifically, > before September > >> 2005) I would like to move up to AF. This is mainly > because I will be > >> in Australia doing some shoots at the World Solar > Challenge, where MF > >> didn't quite cut it last time I was out. I'd also like to > move into > >> more sports, where AF would be a huge advantage. > >> > >> My dilemma is this: > >> > >> - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning > towards a > >> used F4) > >> - If I stay with Pentax, should I go with PZ1P or MZ-S? > >> > AF> (snip) > > > > >
RE: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
> -Original Message- > From: Patrick Pritchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 11:15 PM, tom wrote: > > > The AF on the F4 ain't exactly going to set the world on > fire. If you > > want noticeably better AF you need to buy one of Nikon or Canon's > > current (or maybe a generation back) pro bodies. The mid level or > > older pro bodies aren't any better than the MZ-S. > > This I know. It isn't an issue of the AF being the top > notch, but given that F4 was the flagship at one point, and a > LOT of people used it, the AF can't be *that* bad, all things > considered. It's been a few years, but iirc, it was pretty bad. It's nickname was the "best manual focus camera Nikon ever made." > > And by your definition, isn't the F4 one generation behind > the current pro line? Technically. Nikon put out a few versions of AF between the F4 and F5. tv
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 11:15 PM, tom wrote: The AF on the F4 ain't exactly going to set the world on fire. If you want noticeably better AF you need to buy one of Nikon or Canon's current (or maybe a generation back) pro bodies. The mid level or older pro bodies aren't any better than the MZ-S. This I know. It isn't an issue of the AF being the top notch, but given that F4 was the flagship at one point, and a LOT of people used it, the AF can't be *that* bad, all things considered. MZ-S is still double the price of F4. And by your definition, isn't the F4 one generation behind the current pro line? Pro being F5? Or was the F4S somewhere in between? -patrick tv -Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:48 PM To: Anthony Farr Subject: Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon? Along with that, even though the FA 135/2.8 isn't a * lens, it is built like a tank much like the * lenses. It's a very good performer. My personal hunch is that the Nikon or Canon pro grade bodies are going to be more rugged and better at AF. Much as I love Pentax, for what you are describing, it may not be the best choice. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, March 22, 2004, 6:28:50 PM, you wrote: AF> By all reports the (P)Z1p is a dustcatcher. That could be a problem in AF> central Australia. Rob Studdert could probably tell you what you need to AF> know regarding this. If your choice is Pentax then the MZ-S might be AF> better. It doesn't have gaskets against dust penetration as did the LX (and AF> I think the top level Nikons) but is built to very close tolerances with the AF> intention of resisting dust and moisture, or so I've read. AF> regards, AF> Anthony Farr AF> - Original Message - AF> From: "Patrick Pritchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all. I've decided that within the next year (specifically, before September 2005) I would like to move up to AF. This is mainly because I will be in Australia doing some shoots at the World Solar Challenge, where MF didn't quite cut it last time I was out. I'd also like to move into more sports, where AF would be a huge advantage. My dilemma is this: - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning towards a used F4) - If I stay with Pentax, should I go with PZ1P or MZ-S? AF> (snip)
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 10:18 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Patrick Pritchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've read various reports here on the list of Pentax slowly pulling faster pro grade lenses. What? Who posted that??? Well, it has been since March 16, 2004 since that is when I re-subscribed to the list. While no-one has given direct evidence, there was something anecdotal about "... when they run out of the glass they'll stop producing certain lenses ..." or something along those lines. -Patrick -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 10:48 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Along with that, even though the FA 135/2.8 isn't a * lens, it is built like a tank much like the * lenses. It's a very good performer. Is this true of most Pentax AF? Having never dealt with Pentax AF before, I'm not sure of build quality in general. My thoughts on Pentax are all based on older early 1980s gear, which as I said previously, has been excellent. My personal hunch is that the Nikon or Canon pro grade bodies are going to be more rugged and better at AF. Much as I love Pentax, for what you are describing, it may not be the best choice. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, March 22, 2004, 6:28:50 PM, you wrote: AF> By all reports the (P)Z1p is a dustcatcher. That could be a problem in AF> central Australia. Rob Studdert could probably tell you what you need to AF> know regarding this. If your choice is Pentax then the MZ-S might be AF> better. It doesn't have gaskets against dust penetration as did the LX (and AF> I think the top level Nikons) but is built to very close tolerances with the AF> intention of resisting dust and moisture, or so I've read. AF> regards, AF> Anthony Farr AF> - Original Message - AF> From: "Patrick Pritchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all. I've decided that within the next year (specifically, before September 2005) I would like to move up to AF. This is mainly because I will be in Australia doing some shoots at the World Solar Challenge, where MF didn't quite cut it last time I was out. I'd also like to move into more sports, where AF would be a huge advantage. My dilemma is this: - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning towards a used F4) - If I stay with Pentax, should I go with PZ1P or MZ-S? AF> (snip)
RE: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
The AF on the F4 ain't exactly going to set the world on fire. If you want noticeably better AF you need to buy one of Nikon or Canon's current (or maybe a generation back) pro bodies. The mid level or older pro bodies aren't any better than the MZ-S. tv > -Original Message- > From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:48 PM > To: Anthony Farr > Subject: Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon? > > Along with that, even though the FA 135/2.8 isn't a * lens, > it is built like a tank much like the * lenses. It's a very > good performer. > > My personal hunch is that the Nikon or Canon pro grade bodies > are going to be more rugged and better at AF. Much as I love > Pentax, for what you are describing, it may not be the best choice. > > -- > Best regards, > Bruce > > > Monday, March 22, 2004, 6:28:50 PM, you wrote: > > AF> By all reports the (P)Z1p is a dustcatcher. That could > be a problem in > AF> central Australia. Rob Studdert could probably tell you > what you need to > AF> know regarding this. If your choice is Pentax then the > MZ-S might be > AF> better. It doesn't have gaskets against dust penetration > as did the LX (and > AF> I think the top level Nikons) but is built to very close > tolerances with the > AF> intention of resisting dust and moisture, or so I've read. > > AF> regards, > AF> Anthony Farr > > AF> - Original Message - > AF> From: "Patrick Pritchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Hello all. > >> > >> I've decided that within the next year (specifically, > before September > >> 2005) I would like to move up to AF. This is mainly > because I will be > >> in Australia doing some shoots at the World Solar > Challenge, where MF > >> didn't quite cut it last time I was out. I'd also like to > move into > >> more sports, where AF would be a huge advantage. > >> > >> My dilemma is this: > >> > >> - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning > towards a > >> used F4) > >> - If I stay with Pentax, should I go with PZ1P or MZ-S? > >> > AF> (snip) > > > > >
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
Along with that, even though the FA 135/2.8 isn't a * lens, it is built like a tank much like the * lenses. It's a very good performer. My personal hunch is that the Nikon or Canon pro grade bodies are going to be more rugged and better at AF. Much as I love Pentax, for what you are describing, it may not be the best choice. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, March 22, 2004, 6:28:50 PM, you wrote: AF> By all reports the (P)Z1p is a dustcatcher. That could be a problem in AF> central Australia. Rob Studdert could probably tell you what you need to AF> know regarding this. If your choice is Pentax then the MZ-S might be AF> better. It doesn't have gaskets against dust penetration as did the LX (and AF> I think the top level Nikons) but is built to very close tolerances with the AF> intention of resisting dust and moisture, or so I've read. AF> regards, AF> Anthony Farr AF> - Original Message - AF> From: "Patrick Pritchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Hello all. >> >> I've decided that within the next year (specifically, before September >> 2005) I would like to move up to AF. This is mainly because I will be >> in Australia doing some shoots at the World Solar Challenge, where MF >> didn't quite cut it last time I was out. I'd also like to move into >> more sports, where AF would be a huge advantage. >> >> My dilemma is this: >> >> - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning towards a >> used F4) >> - If I stay with Pentax, should I go with PZ1P or MZ-S? >> AF> (snip)
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
Patrick Pritchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I've read various reports here on the list of Pentax slowly pulling >faster pro grade lenses. What? Who posted that??? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
By all reports the (P)Z1p is a dustcatcher. That could be a problem in central Australia. Rob Studdert could probably tell you what you need to know regarding this. If your choice is Pentax then the MZ-S might be better. It doesn't have gaskets against dust penetration as did the LX (and I think the top level Nikons) but is built to very close tolerances with the intention of resisting dust and moisture, or so I've read. regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: "Patrick Pritchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hello all. > > I've decided that within the next year (specifically, before September > 2005) I would like to move up to AF. This is mainly because I will be > in Australia doing some shoots at the World Solar Challenge, where MF > didn't quite cut it last time I was out. I'd also like to move into > more sports, where AF would be a huge advantage. > > My dilemma is this: > > - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning towards a > used F4) > - If I stay with Pentax, should I go with PZ1P or MZ-S? > (snip)
Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?
Hello all. I've decided that within the next year (specifically, before September 2005) I would like to move up to AF. This is mainly because I will be in Australia doing some shoots at the World Solar Challenge, where MF didn't quite cut it last time I was out. I'd also like to move into more sports, where AF would be a huge advantage. My dilemma is this: - should I stay with Pentax, or go with Nikon (I'm leaning towards a used F4) - If I stay with Pentax, should I go with PZ1P or MZ-S? I've read various reports here on the list of Pentax slowly pulling faster pro grade lenses. This has me concerned, as I will need those lenses later (e.g., 85/1.4 to replace my current MF 85/1.4, 24/2 to replace 24/2.8 I am using now, etc.). The PZ1P and F4 go for comparable prices (albeit not comparable condition) on KEH, which I have been using as a quasi-benchmark for my price checks. No matter where I go, I will end up buying new lenses in AF to replace my current MF lineup. From my research and contemplating the subject, here's what I've come up with: Pentax: Pro: I can use my old MF lenses for now Currently lenses are available, and used market is so-so for finding the fast lenses I'll need later I am very familiar with the system, and the quality of the lenses; I will not have to change much in terms of darkroom work to compensate for a new lens "type" If I find a good deal on an AF lens *NOW*, I can buy it and still use it on my Super Program Has 3 of the 4 lenses I desire: 35/2.0, 24/2.0, 85/1.4 Con: Pentax seems to be pulling out, and making pro grade stuff less available ZERO rental support; if I need a particular lens in AF, I can't get it anywhere else, to my knowledge in Toronto, Canada Pentax lacks a good mid-range telephoto (e.g., 135/2.0), although they do offer the 135/2.8 which is FA, not FA* Nikon: Pro: F4 is a proven workhorse Cost is comparable to PZ1P @ ~$500 for used body TONNES of rental support Has the key lenses I want: 35/2.0, 135/2.0, 24/2.0, 85/1.4 Con: I'll end up starting from scratch in terms of lens lineup Looking at side by side prints by myself and a friends F90X a few years ago, the Nikon had more contrast; this means more fiddling in the darkroom to get my procedure's down to the way I want them again. My renting is a minor issue at the moment. No matter who I go with, my first lens will undoubtedly be either the 35/2.0 from Pentax, or the 35/2.0 D from Nikon, and from there work up to a mid-telephoto, wider zoom, then telephoto. However for sports and the like, I'll need longer and faster lenses, and this is a problem area for Pentax, only in terms of availability. Build quality is a VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. I'll be dealing with harsh environments: lots of bumping around, lots of jostling; extreme temperatures (-20 when I shoot at home up to 45+ when I shoot in the summer); lots of moisture (think dance clubs with 1000+ people all crammed into a tiny room, and everyone is sweating). When I came back from the outback last time, I had sand in my socks, which were *in my bag*, so I don't want to risk sand or moisture getting into the bodies. Lens build is also important. While I've been extremely happy with my all metal K-mount MF lenses, the newer Pentax lenses look pretty plasticy to me; I'm not sure how they'll hold up. I'd like to here comments from anybody out there who has used PZ1P, MZ-S or F4. I love my Pentax system as it is, and have built up quite a collection of gear (a bunch of lenses, a bellows [ easily one of my favorite toys; I love Macro work ], motor drives, etc.) and it has treated me well. However for AF everything changes, mainly in terms of availability (Pentax has a small market share) and build quality (everything these days seems to be made of plastic). Cheers, Patrick
Re: pz1p pricing
It certainly is -- though that goes for the Z-1p as well! Joe It could also be that the PZ1p is one helluva camera. Robert
Re: pz1p pricing
It could also be that the PZ1p is one helluva camera. Robert
RE: pz1p pricing
That was mentioned on the list as a possibility once before. While I have never asked Pentax in Colorado about this specifically, I did send them an MZ-5n (international ZX-5n) I purchased used for a repair and tuneup last year. The estimate and repair proceeded the same way it did for a PZ-1 I sent them, so I have no reason to think they would treat it any differently. We're not talking about warranties, and the parts appear identical, so perhaps it's a non-issue, at least for used equipment? Joe Possibly repair in Colorado is easier to obtain on the American version? -Original Message- From: Joe Wilensky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: pz1p pricing KEH is often a little high on the pricing, although it's usually worth it because of their conservative grading and excellent reputation. One curiosity regarding the PZ-1p is that the European/Asian version Z-1p, which is the exact same camera, is consistently cheaper in the KEH listings when compared to the PZ-1p's, for cameras in the same condition. The difference is often nearly $100. This is also true for the PZ-1 and Z-1 cameras, though the difference is less. I don't know why this pricing difference exists. I haven't noticed quite as marked a difference with the ZX/MZ series. The only constant in that pricing is that the all-black cameras are more expensive than chrome/black ones in the same condition. Joe >From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You might also consider the PZ-1p/Z-1p. US$300 will buy you a mint one. Not last I looked. KEH had bargains in the mid three hundreds, better condition ones over four hundred. I find their prices to be pretty competitive. I considered a PZ-1p, and If I really could have found a a bargain one for $250ish (if mint ones were $300) I might not have paid $225 for a KX. DJE
RE: pz1p pricing
Possibly repair in Colorado is easier to obtain on the American version? -Original Message- From: Joe Wilensky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: pz1p pricing KEH is often a little high on the pricing, although it's usually worth it because of their conservative grading and excellent reputation. One curiosity regarding the PZ-1p is that the European/Asian version Z-1p, which is the exact same camera, is consistently cheaper in the KEH listings when compared to the PZ-1p's, for cameras in the same condition. The difference is often nearly $100. This is also true for the PZ-1 and Z-1 cameras, though the difference is less. I don't know why this pricing difference exists. I haven't noticed quite as marked a difference with the ZX/MZ series. The only constant in that pricing is that the all-black cameras are more expensive than chrome/black ones in the same condition. Joe > >From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>You might also consider the PZ-1p/Z-1p. US$300 will buy you a mint one. > >Not last I looked. KEH had bargains in the mid three hundreds, better >condition ones over four hundred. I find their prices to be pretty >competitive. I considered a PZ-1p, and If I really could have found a >a bargain one for $250ish (if mint ones were $300) I might not have >paid $225 for a KX. > >DJE
Re: pz1p pricing
KEH is often a little high on the pricing, although it's usually worth it because of their conservative grading and excellent reputation. One curiosity regarding the PZ-1p is that the European/Asian version Z-1p, which is the exact same camera, is consistently cheaper in the KEH listings when compared to the PZ-1p's, for cameras in the same condition. The difference is often nearly $100. This is also true for the PZ-1 and Z-1 cameras, though the difference is less. I don't know why this pricing difference exists. I haven't noticed quite as marked a difference with the ZX/MZ series. The only constant in that pricing is that the all-black cameras are more expensive than chrome/black ones in the same condition. Joe >From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You might also consider the PZ-1p/Z-1p. US$300 will buy you a mint one. Not last I looked. KEH had bargains in the mid three hundreds, better condition ones over four hundred. I find their prices to be pretty competitive. I considered a PZ-1p, and If I really could have found a a bargain one for $250ish (if mint ones were $300) I might not have paid $225 for a KX. DJE
pz1p pricing
>From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >You might also consider the PZ-1p/Z-1p. US$300 will buy you a mint one. Not last I looked. KEH had bargains in the mid three hundreds, better condition ones over four hundred. I find their prices to be pretty competitive. I considered a PZ-1p, and If I really could have found a a bargain one for $250ish (if mint ones were $300) I might not have paid $225 for a KX. DJE
RE: Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p?
Thanks Greg, I've looked around and there were none available a few weeks ago. I noticed right away, the need for this grip upon getting my PZ1p. -Original Message- From: greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 7:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p? Sorry to ramble on , but I think I should clarify my previous email in case you aren't up on grip straps. I believe the base and strap come together, so hopefully when KEH says grip strap, they mean strap and base together. The fact that they are selling just a base as well just got me wondering if they purposely split them up. Or maybe someone just lost the strap and they really mean to sell the base without the strap. Anyway, one again, hope that helps Greg Cooper - Original Message - From: "greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p? > KEH has one. They list a base without a strap and also a grip strap, which > to my knowlege should mean the base and the strap (the strap won't work > without the base). Hopefully the link here will work, if not go to > www.keh.com an then used then 35 mm pentax then accesories, then grips. > Hope this helps > Greg Cooper > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Stringer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PDML - Pentax (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:05 AM > Subject: Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p? > > > > Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p? > > > > Mark Stringer > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > >
Re: Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p?
KEH has one. They list a base without a strap and also a grip strap, which to my knowlege should mean the base and the strap (the strap won't work without the base). Hopefully the link here will work, if not go to www.keh.com an then used then 35 mm pentax then accesories, then grips. Hope this helps Greg Cooper - Original Message - From: "Mark Stringer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PDML - Pentax (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:05 AM Subject: Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p? > Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p? > > Mark Stringer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >
Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p?
Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p? Mark Stringer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Eyecup for PZ1p
Hello, For a PZ1p: Is there an eyecup which works better than the one supplied with the camera? Will eyecup "M" work? If so, will it fit the ZX5n also? TIA, Robert ___ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com
RE: pz1p, fa* 300/4.5, AF550FTZ, Tok 80-200/2.8 and more...
-Original Message- > From: Nick Wright [mailto:nick@;wrightfoto.com] > > And working for a daily paper I > really need > digital, I can't spend four or more hours after a late > night football game > working film, it's killing me. > I hear you. 6 months ago I was developing *and* proofing all my b+w for weddings. I had 8 weddings this month, and realized if I tried to do it all myself I'd have a heart attack. I switched to T400CN, and only shoot a couple of rolls of Neopan 1600 that I process myself and have someone else proof. Good luck. tv
Re: pz1p, fa* 300/4.5, AF550FTZ, Tok 80-200/2.8 and more...
Canon. I found a used Kodak DCS 520 (aka Canon D2000). A stringer that works for me has been kind enough to let me use his d60 a couple of times in the last month or so. And I'm totally hooked. My strong point (as far as photography is concerned) is really sports, and you really can't beat Canon's AF. Pentax's AF is good, but I was shooting some tennis and volleyball last Tuesday and got some shots that I'm convinced would've been impossible with a Pentax. And working for a daily paper I really need digital, I can't spend four or more hours after a late night football game working film, it's killing me. I'm still keeping my k1000 and a 28, 50, and 135 for when I want to have fun shooting and have time to deal with film, so I'll prolly still be around here awhile. :) Nick Wright -- >From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: pz1p, fa* 300/4.5, AF550FTZ, Tok 80-200/2.8 and more... >Date: Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 12:27 PM > >> -Original Message- >> From: Nick Wright [mailto:nickwright_tx@;yahoo.com] >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> I'm making the dive and switching systems. I need to >> sell off my Pentax gear. Contact me privately if you >> want to see pictures. I'm sorry but I have to limit >> sales to the US, all prices below DO NOT include >> shipping. >> >> Round 1... >> PZ-1p #1: Exc+ condition. Bought used this past >> summer. > > Buh-bye, little buddy. > > What are you switching to? > > tv >
RE: pz1p, fa* 300/4.5, AF550FTZ, Tok 80-200/2.8 and more...
> -Original Message- > From: Nick Wright [mailto:nickwright_tx@;yahoo.com] > > > Hello all, > > I'm making the dive and switching systems. I need to > sell off my Pentax gear. Contact me privately if you > want to see pictures. I'm sorry but I have to limit > sales to the US, all prices below DO NOT include > shipping. > > Round 1... > PZ-1p #1: Exc+ condition. Bought used this past > summer. Buh-bye, little buddy. What are you switching to? tv
Re: PZ1p
no - Original Message - From: "Margo Ellen Gesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:08 PM Subject: PZ1p > Hi, > > I have to ask a really stupid question: A lot of you folks have PZ1p's. are > they still in production? > > Margo > > > >
Re: PZ1p
I don't know much about Z1p's but I do know that they're still in production, cause they're still visible on the pentax homepage. The older version, the Z1, has been discontinued though. - Original Message - From: "Margo Ellen Gesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 21:08 Subject: PZ1p > Hi, > > I have to ask a really stupid question: A lot of you folks have PZ1p's. are > they still in production? > > Margo >
Re: PZ1p
Margo, No, they have been out of production for some time. There might still be some new stock on shelves somewhere. You can always check the larger mail order places first. Bruce Wednesday, September 11, 2002, 12:08:37 PM, you wrote: MEG> Hi, MEG> I have to ask a really stupid question: A lot of you folks have PZ1p's. are MEG> they still in production? MEG> Margo
PZ1p
Hi, I have to ask a really stupid question: A lot of you folks have PZ1p's. are they still in production? Margo
Re: Fixing the pz1p back
Congratulations on a successful repair ! :-) Robert - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Fixing the pz1p back
A few days ago, you'll remember that I asked the list about how difficult it was to replace the back cover of the pz1p. Since Pentax does/would not sell a complete unit, I had to buy just the back cover and move all the parts from the old back to the new back (ie- pressure plate, buttons, etc). And I thought I'd post my thoughts for all else who might need to perform such an operation. 1. It's really easy. The part is 10usd plus 5usd for shipping, and there are simply a few screws to remove and the pressure plate to change everything over. Unless you damage it, you do not need the 60¢ relacement foam for the film window that they say you do. 2. Keep track of the screws. This is the hardest part... those things are ~tiny~!!! The tiny screwdriver that I used was not magnatized and that would've been very helpful while putting the screws back in. Even with my small fingers there simply is not enough room to hold and drive it. 3. After you get all the parts off the old back but ~before~ you put them in the new make sure to take the film window out of the old and put it into the new. I took all the parts off the old and had them all installed into the new before I realized that I forgot the film window. The design is such that you cannot put the film window in while all the rest of the parts are there. And if you don't want to spend 10 minutes trying to figure out exactly how to place the window in the socket, take careful note of it's orientation whilst removing it. 4. Hinge pins. The top one is easy, this is the spring loaded one. Unscrew that screw holding it in (keep your finger on it unless you want to be looking for it... spring loaded you know) and take it out. The other one I had to use needle nose Vise-Grip pliars. It's knurled on part of it's shaft so it's a bugger to get out. So there you have it... from a newfound camera repairman! ;) Not! Nick Wright Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Batts and the PZ1P (WAS: Need advice for flash for Pentax PZ-1P)
BTW, Energizer has a 1700mAH NiMH AA battery- I have 4 of them, but I just bought some of the Ray-O-Vacs because they were cheaper- $20 for 8, as opposed to $14 for 4 of the Energizers. Taka - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Batts and the PZ1P (WAS: Need advice for flash for Pentax PZ-1P)
I second this. I purchased two sets of Rayovac NiMH rechargables along with the one hour charger by the same manufacturer. NiMHs are just about a total necessity if you do much shooting with this flash at all. They are quicker to recharge than alkaline and they last longer. With this flash I used to take 2 sets of aklalines to shoot one football game, switching at the half. With the NiMH I only need to take one set, this is highschool football by the way. I choose the Rayovac batts over the other brands because they had a longer life 1600mha vs the other's 1300mha. Also the one hour charger has a car kit available so if the need ever arose I'd have that option for charging. Speaking of the TR Power Pack II, has it ever been determined if you can use NiMH batts in that? I know you cannot use nicads, but never saw if you cannot use the NiMH... -- Nick Wright http://www.wrightfoto.com/ -- >From: Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Need advice for flash for Pentax PZ-1P >Date: Mon, May 13, 2002, 2:19 PM > > Nimh rechargables and 1 hr quick charger has been a > life saver. The Flash does turn it self on when loose > in bag, it also can't auto off if bumping into it's > own buttons. > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> In a message dated 5/13/2002 12:15:36 PM Central >> Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> >> > I have a PZ1p with an AF500FTZ flash. Great >> combo, powerful, swivels >> > up/down and sideways, has AF assist IR lamp. I >> don't think the flash can be >> > >> > beat when used with a PZ1p. Some say it is a >> battery hog. I agree with this >> > >> > perception as far as using alkaline batts. Use >> lithium and it goes a lot >> > further. >> >> One point about the AF500FTZ and batteries -- I >> noticed on a trip that when I >> pulled out the flash, my brand-new lithium AAs were >> DEAD! In fact, this has >> happened with that flash twice. I'm guessing that >> it's easy for the unit to >> be accidentally turned on while travelling in a >> camera bag, so -- based on >> that theory -- I no longer leave the batteries in it >> while transporting the >> flash. When I'm setting up to shoot, that's when I >> put them in, and remove >> them when done. >> >> ERNR >> My photographs hang on the virtual walls at >> http://members.aol.com/ernreed >> - >> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. >> To unsubscribe, >> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. >> Don't forget to >> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at >> http://pug.komkon.org . >> > > > __ > Games, Movies, Music & Sports! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[3]: Attention PZ1P Fans
Doug, Glad to hear that you hadn't gone out and switched brands on us. :) Sounds a bit like me. The bigger negative has become much more important than all the cool 35mm gadgets. At some point I may start to trim down my 35mm stuff to finance more 67 stuff. Bruce Friday, March 08, 2002, 4:37:56 AM, you wrote: DB> Hey Bruce, DB> Not to worry, I've still got plenty of stuff to work with. My bag currently includes an MZ-S, LX, FA*80-200/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, M40/2.8, FA100/2.8 Macro, 500FTZ and 360FGZ. DB> I'm looking to push the portrait work up market a bit, and a bigger neg is a strong selling point, so I'm liquidating some stuff I have around. DB> Have fun, DB> Doug - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Attention PZ1P Fans
Kathy, I'm glad you got one. The more you use it the more you'll love it. The built-in flash is especially nice in that you have some fine control over fill flash, exposure compensation using flash, etc. I find that the autofocus is swift and sure when it locks on. Glad you like it. I have also been impressed with battery life being good with the PZ1p. Robert >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Attention PZ1P Fans >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:53:53 EST > >I just got a "demo" PZ1P from Adorama - it looked as though it had never >even >been touched -- in any event, after hearing that B&H no longer carries them >as a new item, I'm really glad I got it. So far I love it, although I've >only had a chance to shoot a couple of rolls of film in less than >satisfactory conditions, but they turned out well. I had never seen one >"in >person" since none of the stores around here carry much in the way of >Pentax >equipment - but I was not disappointed. I like the size of the camera and >the location of the dials and buttons. I especially like being able to see >the display of the settings in the viewfinder (which I had difficulty doing >with my ZX-50). I found the camera to be easy to operate once I read >through >the manual. I wish I had gotten one a long time ago, but I'm glad I was >able >to get one at all. >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Attention PZ1P Fans
Hey Bruce, Not to worry, I've still got plenty of stuff to work with. My bag currently includes an MZ-S, LX, FA*80-200/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, M40/2.8, FA100/2.8 Macro, 500FTZ and 360FGZ. I'm looking to push the portrait work up market a bit, and a bigger neg is a strong selling point, so I'm liquidating some stuff I have around. Have fun, Doug At 9:57 PM -08003/7/02, Bruce Dayton wrote, or at least typed: >Doug, > >You have been selling off some equipment lately. What are you >shooting with these days? > > >Bruce Dayton -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Attention PZ1P Fans
ya know, I've been trying to sell my PZ-1p for a scandalously low price for quite some time, but have been unsuccessful. bummer. Doug At 10:33 PM -05003/7/02, Robert Woerner wrote, or at least typed: >A Sad Day for Me, > >Just noticed that B&H no longer lists the PZ1p as new for sale stock. I >suppose there are no more. I should have gotten another one while they >lasted. Sad, sad sad. Heck of a buy at $479 new. > >Robert -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Attention PZ1P Fans
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:53:53 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >the manual. I wish I had gotten one a long time ago, but I'm glad I was able >to get one at all. Congrats! The more you use it, the more you'll love it! Later, Gary - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Attention PZ1P Fans
Adorama still have them in stock at $479.95 Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Attention PZ1P Fans
I just got a "demo" PZ1P from Adorama - it looked as though it had never even been touched -- in any event, after hearing that B&H no longer carries them as a new item, I'm really glad I got it. So far I love it, although I've only had a chance to shoot a couple of rolls of film in less than satisfactory conditions, but they turned out well. I had never seen one "in person" since none of the stores around here carry much in the way of Pentax equipment - but I was not disappointed. I like the size of the camera and the location of the dials and buttons. I especially like being able to see the display of the settings in the viewfinder (which I had difficulty doing with my ZX-50). I found the camera to be easy to operate once I read through the manual. I wish I had gotten one a long time ago, but I'm glad I was able to get one at all. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Attention PZ1P Fans
A Sad Day for Me, Just noticed that B&H no longer lists the PZ1p as new for sale stock. I suppose there are no more. I should have gotten another one while they lasted. Sad, sad sad. Heck of a buy at $479 new. Robert - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Intermittent rewind - PZ1P
Just received my PZ1P back from Pentax repair in Colorado, in a record 10 days. I've been experiencing an intermittent problem with film rewind - see Feb 08 post below. This is the forth time I've had them look into this. Had previously been told by them they couldn't find anything wrong. This time they claim to have fixed the concern by replacing the bottom external plate, no charge. After some phone conversations with Pentax customer service, I was told that if the bottom plate can flex/move it could preload the main frame of the camera body and this could be enough to cause a binding in the actual rewind mechanism. I reloaded the same roll of film back into the body and will repost the camera status after some film has been put through it. Stay tuned. Ken Waller - Original Message - From: Richard Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: OT: Ken Waller, so long and thanks for all the fish > Ken, > > Thanks for the info. I intended to email you off-list, but I couldn't > track down your email address, so here is my "thank you". > > I'd be very interested in hearing the results of your investigation on > this matter. > > Richard. > > home page: www.richard-seaman.com > > --- original message --- > > Rich, > I've got a similar concern with a PZ1P. It is intermittent and has been back > to Pentax Colorado three times. They have advised that they can find nothing > wrong. I've sent them the body after I've removed the film. The condition > reappeared last week on a shoot - at about the 13th frame the film wouldn't > advance and I couldn't get the film to rewind - the symbol for a rewound > roll was blinking. The battery was fine, no blinking symbol to replace. This > time I'm sending the body to them with the film in place in the body, hoping > it will help them to diagnosis the concern. I'm in the Auto Industry and > intermittent concerns are the hardest to diagnosis. > > Ken Waller > > >folks, > > > > I had a nasty problem with my Z-1 a few weeks ago. It started to > rewind > >and then, almost immediately, stopped and the low battery indication came > >on. I replaced the battery, but the camera refused to do anything, and I > >ended up having to open the back in the dark and manually rewind the film. > >Everything worked fine from then on. > > > > Any thoughts on why this happened or what I could have done about it, > >beside what I did do? > > > >thanks, > > > >Richard. > > > >home page: www.richard-seaman.com > > > > _ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: manual lenses on pz1p how does it all work
> You have to remember that there are two types of manual focus
> lenses. The "A" and the "M" versions. The "A" version has all the
> proper electrical contacts to allow the camera body to control the
> aperature, and has an "A" position on the aperature ring just
> beyond the min f-stop mark. The "M" version does not, and the
> aperature must be set via the lens itself.
Well, technically, assuming that you're talking about the K-mount MF
lenses, there are also the SMC ("K") lenses, but they also lack
electrical contacts, and work just as the M lenses do, as described.
Fred
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Re: manual lenses on pz1p how does it all work
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Can someone pls help me on the following questions? > Can't help with number 2, but I can be of help with #1. > 1. With a manual focus lense on a pz1-p you don't > have auto focus after all its a manual > focus lense. If the camera is set on auto will it > set the shutter speeds and aperture for > you or better still will the function of me manually > selecting the aparture will the pz1 > automatically set the shutter speed (visa versa? The answer is, it depends. You have to remember that there are two types of manual focus lenses. The "A" and the "M" versions. The "A" version has all the proper electrical contacts to allow the camera body to control the aperature, and has an "A" position on the aperature ring just beyond the min f-stop mark. The "M" version does not, and the aperature must be set via the lens itself. Therefore, with A series lenses you have all of the same metering (Matrix, CW, Spot) and exposure modes (HyP, HyM, Av, Tv) as with autofocus lenses. But with the M lens you lose the HyP, and Tv exposure modes, and the Matrix metering mode. In other words, with an M lens you lose any features that require the body to control the aperature. > Thanks > > Joe Hope this helps. Nick Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: manual lenses on pz1p how does it all work
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 1. With a manual focus lense on a pz1-p you don't have auto focus after all its a >manual > focus lense. If the camera is set on auto will it set the shutter speeds and >aperture for > you or better still will the function of me manually selecting the aparture will the >pz1 > automatically set the shutter speed (visa versa? If the lens is an A, F or FA lens, then the camera can select the aperture, as long as then the aperture is set to 'A'. If it's an M or K lens, then you'll need to set the aperture yourself on the lens. This assumes that the camera is in P, HyP or HyM modes. Changing the shutter speed will only change the aperture if the lens is set to 'A'. > 2. With a screw mount manual focus lense on a pz1-p you don't have auto focus after >all > its a manual focus lense. If the camera is set on auto will it set the shutter >speeds and > aperture for you or better still will the function of me manually selecting the >aparture will > the pz1 automatically set the shutter speed vica versa? M42 lenses (screwmounts) are similar to M or Kle lenses as above, but you also have to stop down to meter at your desired aperture. i.e., if you have an M42 50/f1.4, and you want to take a photo at f8, you need to set the little lever on the lens so that it's gets darker when you close the aperture, then set the aperture to f8 to meter. The camera won't close the aperture for you when taking the picture like it will with K-mount lenses. dave -- dave o'brien - http://www.diaspoir.net We give advice, but we cannot give the wisdom to profit by it. -- La Rochefoucauld - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
manual lenses on pz1p how does it all work
Can someone pls help me on the following questions? 1. With a manual focus lense on a pz1-p you don't have auto focus after all its a manual focus lense. If the camera is set on auto will it set the shutter speeds and aperture for you or better still will the function of me manually selecting the aparture will the pz1 automatically set the shutter speed (visa versa? 2. With a screw mount manual focus lense on a pz1-p you don't have auto focus after all its a manual focus lense. If the camera is set on auto will it set the shutter speeds and aperture for you or better still will the function of me manually selecting the aparture will the pz1 automatically set the shutter speed vica versa? Thanks Joe - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Aperture selection on camera body - PZ1p
>I'm too tired to conduct another test tonight, so I'll ask the >simplest questions: does the EV difference (aperture selected by >thumbwheel as compared to aperture selected at aperture ring) occur >only wide open, or wide open and stopped down, or only when stopped >down? I have had 2 Z-1p (1 now) and both with the same problem (or not a problem at all to some). Some lenses are pretty accurate, and some with differences. For those with differences, the differences apply to all aperture setting, not just wide opened or stopped down. >Is the variation predictable and repeatable at a given F-stop for a >specific lens model and camera model? Or does it vary for each lens of >a given model, much as the optical performance of each sample of a >given lens varies slightly? I am not sure on this, but I suspect the Z-1p was the problem. Asking for perfect calibration in this situation seems impossible to me (consider there have been so many K mount lenses over the years). >Does you expereience of 2/3 EV variation mean plus-or-minus 2/3 EV for >a 4/3 EV range, or plus-or-minus 1/3 EV for a 2/3 EV range? 0 to -2/3EV only on film. >Thanks if you can relate your experience on any of my questions. I >will try out some tests for myself this weekend. I'm always willing to >learn something new to help reduce unnecessary variables in my >exposures. Just set your lens at 'A', choose the widest aperture on the Z-1p (f1.4 etc), fire the shutter and you will see. regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Aperture selection on camera body - PZ1p
On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:29:31 -0800, you wrote: snip >. If you checked your Z-1p carefully, you would >discovered the actual aperture selected on the camera was not that accuracy. >The accuracy is lens dependence. Up to 2/3 EV difference could be possible >based on my observation. I'm too tired to conduct another test tonight, so I'll ask the simplest questions: does the EV difference (aperture selected by thumbwheel as compared to aperture selected at aperture ring) occur only wide open, or wide open and stopped down, or only when stopped down? Is the variation predictable and repeatable at a given F-stop for a specific lens model and camera model? Or does it vary for each lens of a given model, much as the optical performance of each sample of a given lens varies slightly? Does you expereience of 2/3 EV variation mean plus-or-minus 2/3 EV for a 4/3 EV range, or plus-or-minus 1/3 EV for a 2/3 EV range? Thanks if you can relate your experience on any of my questions. I will try out some tests for myself this weekend. I'm always willing to learn something new to help reduce unnecessary variables in my exposures. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Wedding Candids - PZ1p, AF500FTZ, Stroboframe
We just returned from 'Woodstock, Canada, where our daughter Lori got married. I took some candid photos of the rehearsal, some after the wedding, and a few more at the reception. Four rolls of 24, all told. http://web2.airmail.net/linnm3/lori/loriadam.htm I used the PZ1p with AF500FTZ on a Stroboframe. Lenses included the power zoom 28-105, A* 200/4 Macro, and Phoenix/Samyang 18-28/4-4.5 zoom. I used center weight metering in Hyper Program mode, flash at minus 1.7, and shot everything at 1/60, letting the camera choose the aperture. Film was Fuji Superia 800, rated at 640. There's a lot of duplicate shots, and some bad exposures I included because that particular photo may be of interest to certain family members. This is not my attempt to branch off into wedding photography. I was adamant that I wasn't going to be the "wedding photographer", because I wanted to enjoy the ceremony, and I don't have any experience shooting weddings. Besides, everyone knows the PZ1p goes blooie with daddy's salty tears dripping down its innards. But when the "real" photog showed up at the rehearsal bearing a Rebel and 35-70 zoom, and popped up its silly little flash, I thought there was trouble in paradise. And I knew I intentionally didn't pack any "wedding" film. So I decided to at least take some candids using whatever film I had handy. Fortunately, the wedding photographer felt guilty seeing my PZ1p and Stroboframe, and went out and borrowed a decent flash, and picked up the Elan 7 he had ordered earlier. I don't know how his pics came out yet, but at least he knew something about posing, so maybe they will be fine. My hat is off to anyone who successfully shoots weddings. I about went crazy trying to find an uncluttered background, or get enough DOF, or get rid of some strange light or shadow, or worrying about the flash settings, etc etc. At least my camera/flash performed admirably. Out of 96 photos, about three came out seriously underexposed (shot with the Samyang zoom and no flash), and three more seriously overexposed (due to flash). -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PZ1p Baseplate - changing
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:41:32 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks, John. I think I'll go with the home repair job but will >also order a new baseplate to keep on hand for the future. What >type of glue did you use? I'm not very knowledgeable about >glues and plastics. > I haven't glued any yet - just replaced them. But if there is a hobby shop in your area, maybe they can suggest the right glue. Maybe take the baseplate in to them so they can see it. -- Happy Trails, Texdance http://members.fortunecity.com/texdance http://members1.clubphoto.com/john8202 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PZ1p Baseplate - changing
Really?!?! That's it? I was told by Pentax Customer Service that this was labled a "non-user" friendly repair. I'd always wondered why... :P Nick --- John Mustarde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:31:53 -0500, you wrote: > > >What was the consensus opinion on how to fix the > cracks on the PZ-1p? Can I > >do it myself, neatly, or should it go back to > Pentax? If they don't have a > >sturdier solution, it's just going to happen again > in a year. > > If you are talking about a crack on the baseplate at > the battery door, it's a design flaw - the > baseplate > is thin right at a spot which bumps into things in > normal use. > > I've changed a couple of them. New PZ1p baseplates > cost > about $12 from Pentax in Colorado. It's held by > eight > screws, and does not require any complicated > dissassembly. If you can use a Phillips head hobby > screwdriver, replacing the baseplate is a five > minute > job (or a hour if you drop a screw on the carpet and > can't find it ;-) > > There are no electrical connections or reverse > threads > or special clips to worry about. Just small Phillips > screws. > > Keep the screws in order, because some are different > sizes. Retain the original baseplate if you want to > retain the serial number, because new plates are > blank > in the serial number area. When you go to install > the > new baseplate, set the panorama switch to the same > position as the old baseplate you just took off, and > don't overtighten the screws. > > Note: the replacement part "baseplate" does not > include > the battery door. The door is a different part. The > door just slides into a tab in the baseplate. When > changing the baseplate, I've always slid the old > door > off the old baseplate and installed it on the new > baseplate. > > If I were to fix a cracked PZ1p baseplate, I'd just > take it off and use the appropriate modeling glue > for > that type of plastic. It should work well, and last > as > long as the original or a new one. > > I suggest fixing any crack in the baseplate before > it > catches on something and peels off a chunk. That's > what > happened to one of mine, and it looks really ugly. > -- > Happy Trails, > Texdance > http://members.fortunecity.com/texdance > http://members1.clubphoto.com/john8202 > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. > To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. > Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at > http://pug.komkon.org . > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: PZ1p Baseplate - changing
Thanks, John. I think I'll go with the home repair job but will also order a new baseplate to keep on hand for the future. What type of glue did you use? I'm not very knowledgeable about glues and plastics. Len --- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > John Mustarde > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:48 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: PZ1p Baseplate - changing > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:31:53 -0500, you wrote: > > >What was the consensus opinion on how to fix the > cracks on the PZ-1p? Can I > >do it myself, neatly, or should it go back to > Pentax? If they don't have a > >sturdier solution, it's just going to happen again in a year. > > If you are talking about a crack on the baseplate at > the battery door, it's a design flaw - the baseplate > is thin right at a spot which bumps into things in > normal use. > > I've changed a couple of them. New PZ1p baseplates cost > about $12 from Pentax in Colorado. It's held by eight > screws, and does not require any complicated > dissassembly. If you can use a Phillips head hobby > screwdriver, replacing the baseplate is a five minute > job (or a hour if you drop a screw on the carpet and > can't find it ;-) > > There are no electrical connections or reverse threads > or special clips to worry about. Just small Phillips > screws. > > Keep the screws in order, because some are different > sizes. Retain the original baseplate if you want to > retain the serial number, because new plates are blank > in the serial number area. When you go to install the > new baseplate, set the panorama switch to the same > position as the old baseplate you just took off, and > don't overtighten the screws. > > Note: the replacement part "baseplate" does not include > the battery door. The door is a different part. The > door just slides into a tab in the baseplate. When > changing the baseplate, I've always slid the old door > off the old baseplate and installed it on the new > baseplate. > > If I were to fix a cracked PZ1p baseplate, I'd just > take it off and use the appropriate modeling glue for > that type of plastic. It should work well, and last as > long as the original or a new one. > > I suggest fixing any crack in the baseplate before it > catches on something and peels off a chunk. That's what > happened to one of mine, and it looks really ugly. > -- > Happy Trails, > Texdance > http://members.fortunecity.com/texdance > http://members1.clubphoto.com/john8202 > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. > To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. > Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
PZ1p Baseplate - changing
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:31:53 -0500, you wrote: >What was the consensus opinion on how to fix the cracks on the PZ-1p? Can I >do it myself, neatly, or should it go back to Pentax? If they don't have a >sturdier solution, it's just going to happen again in a year. If you are talking about a crack on the baseplate at the battery door, it's a design flaw - the baseplate is thin right at a spot which bumps into things in normal use. I've changed a couple of them. New PZ1p baseplates cost about $12 from Pentax in Colorado. It's held by eight screws, and does not require any complicated dissassembly. If you can use a Phillips head hobby screwdriver, replacing the baseplate is a five minute job (or a hour if you drop a screw on the carpet and can't find it ;-) There are no electrical connections or reverse threads or special clips to worry about. Just small Phillips screws. Keep the screws in order, because some are different sizes. Retain the original baseplate if you want to retain the serial number, because new plates are blank in the serial number area. When you go to install the new baseplate, set the panorama switch to the same position as the old baseplate you just took off, and don't overtighten the screws. Note: the replacement part "baseplate" does not include the battery door. The door is a different part. The door just slides into a tab in the baseplate. When changing the baseplate, I've always slid the old door off the old baseplate and installed it on the new baseplate. If I were to fix a cracked PZ1p baseplate, I'd just take it off and use the appropriate modeling glue for that type of plastic. It should work well, and last as long as the original or a new one. I suggest fixing any crack in the baseplate before it catches on something and peels off a chunk. That's what happened to one of mine, and it looks really ugly. -- Happy Trails, Texdance http://members.fortunecity.com/texdance http://members1.clubphoto.com/john8202 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film Scratches from PZ-1 & PZ1p cameras
In a message dated 6/3/01 11:33:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Thanks George. I'm waiting for mine to start acting up again. I can't open my camera right now as there is film in it... Does the white roller interact in anyway with the pressure plate to hold the film uniformly flat? Tom C. >> Tom, Short answer. -- I do not think so. The photograher at the museum where I work sold cameras for several years and he agrees with me on this. Long answer. (Probably more infmation then you want or need) -- The roller I am talking about is attached to the back of the camera by a piece of spring steel (I assume stainless) that is about 1/2 inch wide and 3/4 inch long. This spring is attached to the back by a single Phillips head screw. There are also two plastic knobs that help position this spring. The spring passes under a rod with two plastic rollers on it (see paragraph marked with a *). The roller on this spring is next to the hinge side of the back and presses against the film over the take-up reel. Given it's position I think it is to aid in holding the film to the spool to assist with the initial uptake of film when it is loaded. As I said in my earlier post, removal of this spring does mean you have to be more careful in loading film. You have to make sure the film holes match the sprockets on the take-up reel. Please remember I have only seen two rolls of film that have gone through my camera since I removed the spring but I can say that the scratching problem stopped when I took the spring off. * The two rollers on the rod that is above the spring discussed above probably do assist in holding film flat. I am not suggesting that these rollers be removed. I hope this helps. George Baumgardner - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Will upgrading to PZ1p from ZX50 improve pictures?
A while back there was a discussion of whether Pentax's multi-segment metering system overexposes - which is not a problem on color negative film, but a definite problem on slide film. In my experience with transparency film in my ZX-50, often it would overexpose. It is in part for this reason that, in addition to the ZX-50, I now own two PZ-1ps. (The 50 is otherwise a fine camera.) Joe - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Will upgrading to PZ1p from ZX50 improve pictures?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Does it matter whether flash sync. is 1/100 or 1/250 sec regarding camera shake. >> To photograph your dancing daughter's recital with a 135mm lens, it will not make any difference. The 220T flash will provide the light and it will be done in 1/1000 sec. Your camera shake won't matter. The 1/250 sec. flash synch is designed to let you add flash while in the bright sunlight...like when the sun is behind the person you are photographing and their face will be too dark. The PZ-1 or PZ-1p used with an AF330FTZ or AF500FTZ has an infrared light beam to help your focus in the dark. The PZ-1 with the AF500 has worked fine for me, but I don't remember using it with a 135mm manual focus lens. Telephoto shots in dark places are always a bit tricky. If 50% were good, that isn't a bad percentage to start with. Even with some experience, it is difficult to get 80% correct in those situations. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Will upgrading to PZ1p from ZX50 improve pictures?
Thanks, I know I didnt ask this but I was thinking about the PZ1p too. You answer has helped me decide not to get one. My ZX50 should be just fine. (at least for now) I am still waiting on my sister to unpack her things and find that old camera of hers. Hopefully it will be sometime this weekend or next week. Thank ya, Rebecca At 12:13 AM 5/25/01 -0700, you wrote: >The short answer is "no". The long answer is: it can, but isn't necessary. >Here's what I would have done differently in that situation: manual focus >(since girls were fairly far way in a group), smaller aperture (more >dependence on flash's light to freeze action and light image and allow >greater depth of field). > >The shooting scenario you describe could be accomplished with a manual >focus, manual exposure, 1/60 X synch auto flash setup. A PZ1p would >probably do no better, in the end, because alas it's focus system is not any >faster than a ZX series (some consider it slower). But even with a fast AF >camera, the problems of shutter lag still exist. One feature the PZ1p >offers over the ZXn is the servo AF mode, where AF focus is attempted, but >not a necessity before picture taking. This helps with slowing the shutter >lag, but the least shutter lag happens on non-AF cameras. > >Are you enabled? :) > >Gerald > >- Original Message - >From: "zxcv ar2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:17 PM >Subject: Will upgrading to PZ1p from ZX50 improve pictures? > > >> Greetins friends! I recently took five rolls of slide pictures of my >> daughter dancing with other members of ballet school. Pictures were taken >> with flash as it was a dress reharsal. Lighting was very poor. Exposure >> without flash was f2.8 and 1/90 sec. Fifty percent pictures came OK. I >used >> ZX50 with FA 135mm f2.8 lens & external Pentax 220T flash and Provia 1600 >> ASA slide film. I used aperture priority system. Aperture was f2.8. I was >> about 50 to 60 feet from my daughter. I checked the flash expossure with >OK >> check light at back. >> >> I had noticed two problems. [a] During dance the girls [about 10-12 girls] >> were moving around the stage. Sometime my daughter was half hidden by >other >> dancers. Will the camera with spot focus like ZX5n or PZ1p [if PZ1 or PZ1p >> has spot AF] will help in this situation? How quick the spot AF compared >to >> AF speed of ZX50. AF focusing of ZX50 is very fast. >> [b]I was afraid of camera shake with 135 mm lens plus external flash. >> Highest flash sync speed of ZX50 is only 1/100 sec. Will PZ1p with higher >> sync. speed will help? Flash light duration is very small. Does it matter >> whether flash sync. is 1/100 or 1/250 sec regarding camera shake. >> >> With thanks. >> >> >> _ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> - >> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . >> > >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Will upgrading to PZ1p from ZX50 improve pictures?
The short answer is "no". The long answer is: it can, but isn't necessary. Here's what I would have done differently in that situation: manual focus (since girls were fairly far way in a group), smaller aperture (more dependence on flash's light to freeze action and light image and allow greater depth of field). The shooting scenario you describe could be accomplished with a manual focus, manual exposure, 1/60 X synch auto flash setup. A PZ1p would probably do no better, in the end, because alas it's focus system is not any faster than a ZX series (some consider it slower). But even with a fast AF camera, the problems of shutter lag still exist. One feature the PZ1p offers over the ZXn is the servo AF mode, where AF focus is attempted, but not a necessity before picture taking. This helps with slowing the shutter lag, but the least shutter lag happens on non-AF cameras. Are you enabled? :) Gerald - Original Message - From: "zxcv ar2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:17 PM Subject: Will upgrading to PZ1p from ZX50 improve pictures? > Greetins friends! I recently took five rolls of slide pictures of my > daughter dancing with other members of ballet school. Pictures were taken > with flash as it was a dress reharsal. Lighting was very poor. Exposure > without flash was f2.8 and 1/90 sec. Fifty percent pictures came OK. I used > ZX50 with FA 135mm f2.8 lens & external Pentax 220T flash and Provia 1600 > ASA slide film. I used aperture priority system. Aperture was f2.8. I was > about 50 to 60 feet from my daughter. I checked the flash expossure with OK > check light at back. > > I had noticed two problems. [a] During dance the girls [about 10-12 girls] > were moving around the stage. Sometime my daughter was half hidden by other > dancers. Will the camera with spot focus like ZX5n or PZ1p [if PZ1 or PZ1p > has spot AF] will help in this situation? How quick the spot AF compared to > AF speed of ZX50. AF focusing of ZX50 is very fast. > [b]I was afraid of camera shake with 135 mm lens plus external flash. > Highest flash sync speed of ZX50 is only 1/100 sec. Will PZ1p with higher > sync. speed will help? Flash light duration is very small. Does it matter > whether flash sync. is 1/100 or 1/250 sec regarding camera shake. > > With thanks. > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Will upgrading to PZ1p from ZX50 improve pictures?
Greetins friends! I recently took five rolls of slide pictures of my daughter dancing with other members of ballet school. Pictures were taken with flash as it was a dress reharsal. Lighting was very poor. Exposure without flash was f2.8 and 1/90 sec. Fifty percent pictures came OK. I used ZX50 with FA 135mm f2.8 lens & external Pentax 220T flash and Provia 1600 ASA slide film. I used aperture priority system. Aperture was f2.8. I was about 50 to 60 feet from my daughter. I checked the flash expossure with OK check light at back. I had noticed two problems. [a] During dance the girls [about 10-12 girls] were moving around the stage. Sometime my daughter was half hidden by other dancers. Will the camera with spot focus like ZX5n or PZ1p [if PZ1 or PZ1p has spot AF] will help in this situation? How quick the spot AF compared to AF speed of ZX50. AF focusing of ZX50 is very fast. [b]I was afraid of camera shake with 135 mm lens plus external flash. Highest flash sync speed of ZX50 is only 1/100 sec. Will PZ1p with higher sync. speed will help? Flash light duration is very small. Does it matter whether flash sync. is 1/100 or 1/250 sec regarding camera shake. With thanks. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: ZX-5N vs. PZ1 vs. PZ1p vs. lousy AF???
Chris, Thanks for the nice explanation. I've been following this thread and I must admit there was a point where I was getting a bit confused. Your post really cleared things up. I own a zx-m and am considering an auto-focus camera. I'm in no hurry so I think I'll wait until the release of the MZ-s, and see what shakes out. If the MZ-s really comes out with a street price of US$900 I won't buy one. I'd be interested in a less expensive MZ-s(minus) even if they elimated some of the features like build quality, data imprinting, and high speed flash sync. As a hobbiest, my equipment does not get rough treatment. Features most important to me are user interface, compact size, spot meter. Mirror lock-up and multi-exposure would be nice. PZ-1P comes really close but I like the smaller size of the MZ-S and ZX/MZ series and I am quite interested in (what appears to be)the simple user interface of the MZ-S. Ok ... I'm rambling ... and dreaming a bit I think. Eric >From: Chris Brogden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, dosk wrote: > > > Goddamnit, I AM reading the posts! What the hell does the following say > > (from a Mr. Alexander Krohe,) if not, "PZ1 AF is continuous AND >predictive, > > and ZX5n AF is ONLY predictive!" Just because you had a tough day at the > > camera counter doesn't give you the right to be so obtuse and smug > >You're right, of course, though I don't agree with obtuse and smug... >"rude" would be a better term. It wasn't just work; I was having a pretty >bad day in general yesterday and reacted poorly. Sorry. > > > And if I remember correctly, you yourself also said that the ZX5n does > > NOT have a continuous AF mode like the PZ1's do... Skip > >This is correct. The error comes in thinking of predictive AF as a >useable focus mode. I'll describe it in a different way, and if it's >still not clear, or if you seem to be getting conflicting opinions from >list members, it would probably be best to go to a store if there's one >handy and play with the cameras. That should show you the differences >pretty quickly, especially if the salesperson knows what they're talking >about. > >The MZ-5n and the Z1-p both have single-shot AF. This is the standard >focus mode where it focuses on your subject and then locks focus as long >as you hold the shutter button down. You can then move the camera (while >still maintaining pressure on the shutter button) and it will not try to >refocus. Single-shot AF is effectively the *only* AF mode of the MZ-5n. > >Predictive AF works after you press the shutter button, and you'll never >see it working; it's not a mode you can select or see. The only thing >that predictive AF does is to say to the camera, "Hey, the subject's >moving towards the camera, so even though the lens is set to focus at 5.6 >feet, you better set it to focus half a foot closer, because that's how >far it will have moved between the time that guy presses the button and >the time the curtains actually move to record the image." Predictive AF >is available all the time while you're shooting in AF, but the camera >decides whether or not to use it. It's not a different way of focusing, >just a way of making sure that single-shot AF works a bit better with >moving subjects. > >In addition to the standard single-shot AF, the Z1-p offers continuous, or >servo, AF. Two words for the same thing. Now when you hold the shutter >button down it doesn't lock focus, it focuses continually. This mode >tends to be better for following moving subjects, since you don't have to >keep pressing the shutter button to get it to focus. I assume that >predictive AF is still present on continuous AF, but I'm not sure. > >So you could say that the MZ-5n offers only single-shot AF, while the Z1-p >offers single-shot and continuous AF. Predictive AF is just a way of >making single-shot AF more accurate, so that's why it's never mentioned as >an AF mode except by product literature. :) > >The AF bodies do have another fun feature that has to do with focusing. >Because the cameras won't take a picture unless they've found something to >focus on (I think you can override this with the Z1-p), you can put a MF >lens on an AF camera and it won't release the shutter until it thinks that >the picture is in focus (at least it works that way with Pentax bayonet MF >lenses). This only works when you have the camera set to AF; if it's set >to MF then it will take a photo when you press the button, regardess of >whether it's in focus or not. So, the practical side: if you put a MF >lens on an AF camera and set the camera to AF (not MF), then focus on an >empty space (say, a few inches above a bird's nest) and lock the shutter >with a cable release, it will take a photo as soon as something lands in >that empty space that you're focused on. This is called "trap focus," and >it's a lot of fun to do on continuous shooting mode, since the camera will >keep taking pictures as long as th
Re: ZX-5N vs. PZ1 vs. PZ1p vs. lousy AF???
On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > > Ok, group hugs all 'round. :) > > That was the lamest flamewar I've ever seen. C'mon, guys, get yer act > together! We wanna see bloodshed. ;) Hey, don't make me nonviolently kick yer scrawny little Canuck ass with my hockey stick, little boy. You gotta problem? You gotta problem? Let's take it outside. You first. :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: ZX-5N vs. PZ1 vs. PZ1p vs. lousy AF???
Chris Brogden wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, dosk wrote: > > > And I too apologize > [snip] > > Ok, group hugs all 'round. :) > That was the lamest flamewar I've ever seen. C'mon, guys, get yer act together! We wanna see bloodshed. ;) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Anybody want a PZ1p?
Please contact me as soon as you can James [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "John Mustarde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Anybody want a PZ1p? > If anyone wants a PZ1p (my well-used beater), contact me off-list. > Maybe we can work out a deal. I've got one too many of them right now. > -- > Happy Trails, > Texdance > http://members.fortunecity.com/texdance > http://members1.clubphoto.com/john8202 > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: ZX-5N vs. PZ1 vs. PZ1p vs. lousy AF???
> So the MZ-5n will use predictive AF in single-shot mode, but the Z-1p > won't. Interesting. I guess that's due to the relative age of the two > cameras, since I can't think of any other reason to leave it off the > Z-1p. Still pretty odd. > chris Sort of a kind of focus lock here, maybe? If it is available in continuous mode, maybe they figured why add it to the single mode too. Let the single mode stay locked on the last view without the camera adjusting it...? Dosk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
