Re: IR Photography

[Comcast]

What Dave said. I was sorry to lose this capability when i sold the last of my 
*ist ds

Paul

> On Jul 18, 2023, at 1:14 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> I found my istD made for a great ir camera with the Hoya r72 filter
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 10:10 PM  wrote:
>> 
>> That's a very fine image, Ralf - I might try that myself.  My *ist-D has
>> been sitting on the shelf for most of the last seven years, it will be nice
>> to fire it up again.
>> 
>> 
>> John in Brisbane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ralf R Radermacher 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:13 PM
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: Re: IR Photography
>> 
>>> Am 13.07.23 um 01:59 schrieb Larry Colen:
>>> 
>>> You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor
>> sees, either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the
>> little red dot that shows the IR focus point.
>> 
>> Maybe even a little beyond the red dot which is calibrated for an IR
>> wavelength of around 750 nm corresponding to the usual near-infrared film
>> stock like Ilford SFX200 or Konica 750. The infrared sensitivity of a DSLR
>> sensor extends way beyond that, well into the 800's, shifting the focus
>> point even more.
>> 
>> And don't try to step down beyond f8 to gain more DOF. Aperture
>> diffraction at IR sets in a lot sooner than with visible light.
>> 
>> I've been using a #87 gelatine filter on my unmodified *istDS. This filter
>> is almost completely impervious to visible light.
>> 
>> Here's an example:
>> 
>> https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101
>> 
>> Ralf
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Re: IR Photography

[David J Brooks]

I found my istD made for a great ir camera with the Hoya r72 filter

Dave

On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 10:10 PM  wrote:

> That's a very fine image, Ralf - I might try that myself.  My *ist-D has
> been sitting on the shelf for most of the last seven years, it will be nice
> to fire it up again.
>
>
> John in Brisbane
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ralf R Radermacher 
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:13 PM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: IR Photography
>
> Am 13.07.23 um 01:59 schrieb Larry Colen:
>
> > You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor
> sees, either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the
> little red dot that shows the IR focus point.
>
> Maybe even a little beyond the red dot which is calibrated for an IR
> wavelength of around 750 nm corresponding to the usual near-infrared film
> stock like Ilford SFX200 or Konica 750. The infrared sensitivity of a DSLR
> sensor extends way beyond that, well into the 800's, shifting the focus
> point even more.
>
> And don't try to step down beyond f8 to gain more DOF. Aperture
> diffraction at IR sets in a lot sooner than with visible light.
>
> I've been using a #87 gelatine filter on my unmodified *istDS. This filter
> is almost completely impervious to visible light.
>
> Here's an example:
>
> https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101
>
> Ralf
>
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Re: IR Photography

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Am 14.07.23 um 04:09 schrieb jco...@iinet.net.au:

That's a very fine image, Ralf


Thanks. Here's a few more, some on film, some digital:

https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2013/03/infrarot-3.html

https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2013/02/infrarot-2.html

https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2013/02/infrarot.html

https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2009/08/hauptsache-man-macht-was-daraus.html

https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2009/08/infrarot-digital.html

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Re: IR Photography

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Unfortunately, you'll have some time. Things went sideways today and I wasn't 
able to cut or bring it.  There are smaller IR flash gels available from b et 
al
 But I wanted something I could use with my studio strobes. I hope to be back 
home around labor day.

On July 13, 2023 10:06:12 PM PDT, mike wilson  wrote:
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>> On 14/07/2023 01:29 Larry Colen  wrote:
>> Last night I had a chance to come home to get my miata, I was hoping to have 
>> time to cut it up into pieces to mail to anybody that might want some, 
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>That's very generous of you.  I'll have a think about what I can afford 
>postage on.
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Re: IR Photography

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> On 14/07/2023 01:29 Larry Colen  wrote:
> Last night I had a chance to come home to get my miata, I was hoping to have 
> time to cut it up into pieces to mail to anybody that might want some, 

That's very generous of you.  I'll have a think about what I can afford postage 
on.
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RE: IR Photography

[jcoyle]

That's a very fine image, Ralf - I might try that myself.  My *ist-D has been 
sitting on the shelf for most of the last seven years, it will be nice to fire 
it up again.


John in Brisbane



-Original Message-
From: Ralf R Radermacher  
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:13 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: IR Photography

Am 13.07.23 um 01:59 schrieb Larry Colen:

> You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor sees, 
> either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the little red 
> dot that shows the IR focus point.

Maybe even a little beyond the red dot which is calibrated for an IR wavelength 
of around 750 nm corresponding to the usual near-infrared film stock like 
Ilford SFX200 or Konica 750. The infrared sensitivity of a DSLR sensor extends 
way beyond that, well into the 800's, shifting the focus point even more.

And don't try to step down beyond f8 to gain more DOF. Aperture diffraction at 
IR sets in a lot sooner than with visible light.

I've been using a #87 gelatine filter on my unmodified *istDS. This filter is 
almost completely impervious to visible light.

Here's an example:

https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101

Ralf

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Re: IR Photography

[Larry Colen]

https://www.eplastics.com/search?keywords=infrared

I bought a sheet of the above to make flash filters so that the flash would 
only transmit IR.

Last night I had a chance to come home to get my miata, I was hoping to have 
time to cut it up into pieces to mail to anybody that might want some, but 
things came up (Like needing to get a car smogged and registered) and I haven't 
even started packing and still have an 8 hour drive ahead of me.  If people are 
interested in some chunks, let me know and I'll see if I can cut a piece to 
carry back in my miata.  Otherwise it is a lot less expensive than the thin 
film filters.

It can be a lot of fun to use an IR strobe and photograph a scene where some of 
the elements, like a sign, are illuminated, then color balance out the IR 
magenta to black and white.

Some of my best shots are here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157659850152524/

more here

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157606110993706/


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Re: IR Photography

[John Sessoms]

And if I ever have another camera converted, I'll go ahead and have the 
filter completely removed to give me a full-spectrum camera.


On 7/13/2023 5:03 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 13.07.23 um 10:22 schrieb Alan C:

I'll source a #87 filter
and give my dormant K110D a whirl as a dedicated IR camera.


The K110D should work. Basically everything before the K10D. Better
still, have its built-in IR filter removed.

Ralf




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Re: IR Photography

[John Sessoms]

I watched a video on InfraRed photography that emphasized the utility of 
shooting when the light is NOT so good; too hot, too harsh, to specular 
in the middle of the day.


Even before Covid, I was having problems getting out and shooting in the 
golden hours & IR looked like something I could do with the time when I 
WAS able to go out & shoot.


With digital you can get some kind of immediate feedback so it's not 
like shooting film. I hope it's going to complement my other 
photography, not replace it.


AND I think some of the apparent problem with the focus is the softness 
of in camera JPEG conversions. AND ALSO ... I'm at the very beginning of 
the learning curve.


Further, I've re-read the explanation about (665nm) IR. I now think it 
cuts off the color in the blue & green part of the spectrum leaving the 
spectrum ABOVE 665nm - oranges, reds & invisible InfraRed ...


Anyway, I'm still learning.

On 7/13/2023 2:53 AM, Alan C wrote:
Interesting. To me it is more of an art form than serious photography. 
Many moons ago I tried a couple of rolls of B/W IR film. Needed a 
special filter to block out visible light - made a slide on holder from 
thin cardboard. Exposures were around f8 from about 0.5 to 5 sec (pot 
luck!) which made a tripod mandatory - still have the very same tripod. 
Manual guesstimate timing on "B" with a cable release. Focusing was a 
nightmare because the filter was so dark I had to focus without the 
filter & then slide it in and adjust to the IR mark on my Supertak 55/2 
(which I still have!). Pity I didn't think of Larry's sticky tape astro 
method to lock the focus. Only 2 or 3 shots out of the 48 were even on 
the verge of acceptability so that was the end of my adventure.


Alan C

On 13-Jul-23 04:59 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jul 12, 2023, at 7:06 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:



On 7/12/2023 7:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:47 PM, John Sessoms  
wrote:


I had my K20D converted to Amplified Color (665nm) IR.

Had my first chance to test it out today. Didn't notice they'd 
reset the default output to JPEG, so I'm going to have to make 
another test outing.
Yeah, that bit me when I took my K20 to burning man after having it 
repaired.  When I got home and started to process the photos I 
couldn't figure out why they wouldn't adjust properly.
First thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work very well if 
it's not bright sunlight. Test shots I took indoors don't show ANY 
image unless I boost the ISO way high & use high exposure 
compensation.

So you have it blocking all visible light?
"IF" I understand what they did, they replaced the regular IR filter 
with another filter that passes IR below 665nm so that I get visible 
light PLUS the upper end of the IR spectrum ... ???
You *should* be able to get shots indoors just as you would with a 
standard camera.


IR is supposed to be really good for harsh daylight (shooting in 
the middle of the day), so I took it out from 1:00 to 3:00 today to 
photograph a field of sunflowers that are just coming into bloom.


I had it at F8 using the SMC Pentax-DA 1:1.8 50mm lens it seems 
like everything is really soft (out of focus?) except for stuff out 
on the horizon.


I've got to go out and make another test, but anyone got ideas?
You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the 
sensor sees, either that or manually focus based ton the distance 
scale and the little red dot that shows the IR focus point.  The 
autofocus system focuses for the visual spectrum, but IR focuses 
differently.

H? The K20D has live view?
Hmmm, that’s an issue.  Maybe take some test shots and look at the 
preview screen zoomed in.


If you photograph under LED or fluorescent light there should be no IR.


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Re: IR Photography

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 13.07.23 um 10:22 schrieb Alan C:

I'll source a #87 filter
and give my dormant K110D a whirl as a dedicated IR camera.


The K110D should work. Basically everything before the K10D. Better
still, have its built-in IR filter removed.

Ralf

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Re: IR Photography

[Alan C]

That's an amazing image, Ralf. I feel inspired. I'll source a #87 filter 
and give my dormant K110D a whirl as a dedicated IR camera.


Alan C

On 13-Jul-23 10:12 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 13.07.23 um 01:59 schrieb Larry Colen:

You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor 
sees, either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and 
the little red dot that shows the IR focus point.


Maybe even a little beyond the red dot which is calibrated for an IR
wavelength of around 750 nm corresponding to the usual near-infrared
film stock like Ilford SFX200 or Konica 750. The infrared sensitivity of
a DSLR sensor extends way beyond that, well into the 800's, shifting the
focus point even more.

And don't try to step down beyond f8 to gain more DOF. Aperture
diffraction at IR sets in a lot sooner than with visible light.

I've been using a #87 gelatine filter on my unmodified *istDS. This
filter is almost completely impervious to visible light.

Here's an example:

https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101

Ralf

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Re: IR Photography

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 13.07.23 um 01:59 schrieb Larry Colen:


You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor sees, 
either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the little red 
dot that shows the IR focus point.


Maybe even a little beyond the red dot which is calibrated for an IR
wavelength of around 750 nm corresponding to the usual near-infrared
film stock like Ilford SFX200 or Konica 750. The infrared sensitivity of
a DSLR sensor extends way beyond that, well into the 800's, shifting the
focus point even more.

And don't try to step down beyond f8 to gain more DOF. Aperture
diffraction at IR sets in a lot sooner than with visible light.

I've been using a #87 gelatine filter on my unmodified *istDS. This
filter is almost completely impervious to visible light.

Here's an example:

https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101

Ralf

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Re: IR Photography

[Alan C]

Interesting. To me it is more of an art form than serious photography. 
Many moons ago I tried a couple of rolls of B/W IR film. Needed a 
special filter to block out visible light - made a slide on holder from 
thin cardboard. Exposures were around f8 from about 0.5 to 5 sec (pot 
luck!) which made a tripod mandatory - still have the very same tripod. 
Manual guesstimate timing on "B" with a cable release. Focusing was a 
nightmare because the filter was so dark I had to focus without the 
filter & then slide it in and adjust to the IR mark on my Supertak 55/2 
(which I still have!). Pity I didn't think of Larry's sticky tape astro 
method to lock the focus. Only 2 or 3 shots out of the 48 were even on 
the verge of acceptability so that was the end of my adventure.


Alan C

On 13-Jul-23 04:59 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jul 12, 2023, at 7:06 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:



On 7/12/2023 7:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:47 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

I had my K20D converted to Amplified Color (665nm) IR.

Had my first chance to test it out today. Didn't notice they'd reset the 
default output to JPEG, so I'm going to have to make another test outing.

Yeah, that bit me when I took my K20 to burning man after having it repaired.  
When I got home and started to process the photos I couldn't figure out why 
they wouldn't adjust properly.

First thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work very well if it's not bright 
sunlight. Test shots I took indoors don't show ANY image unless I boost the ISO way 
high & use high exposure compensation.

So you have it blocking all visible light?

"IF" I understand what they did, they replaced the regular IR filter with 
another filter that passes IR below 665nm so that I get visible light PLUS the upper end 
of the IR spectrum ... ???

You *should* be able to get shots indoors just as you would with a standard 
camera.


IR is supposed to be really good for harsh daylight (shooting in the middle of 
the day), so I took it out from 1:00 to 3:00 today to photograph a field of 
sunflowers that are just coming into bloom.

I had it at F8 using the SMC Pentax-DA 1:1.8 50mm lens it seems like everything 
is really soft (out of focus?) except for stuff out on the horizon.

I've got to go out and make another test, but anyone got ideas?

You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor sees, 
either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the little red 
dot that shows the IR focus point.  The autofocus system focuses for the visual 
spectrum, but IR focuses differently.

H? The K20D has live view?

Hmmm, that’s an issue.  Maybe take some test shots and look at the preview 
screen zoomed in.

If you photograph under LED or fluorescent light there should be no IR.


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Re: IR Photography

[Larry Colen]

> On Jul 12, 2023, at 7:06 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/12/2023 7:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:47 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had my K20D converted to Amplified Color (665nm) IR.
>>> 
>>> Had my first chance to test it out today. Didn't notice they'd reset the 
>>> default output to JPEG, so I'm going to have to make another test outing.
>> Yeah, that bit me when I took my K20 to burning man after having it 
>> repaired.  When I got home and started to process the photos I couldn't 
>> figure out why they wouldn't adjust properly.
>>> 
>>> First thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work very well if it's not 
>>> bright sunlight. Test shots I took indoors don't show ANY image unless I 
>>> boost the ISO way high & use high exposure compensation.
>> So you have it blocking all visible light?
> 
> "IF" I understand what they did, they replaced the regular IR filter with 
> another filter that passes IR below 665nm so that I get visible light PLUS 
> the upper end of the IR spectrum ... ???

You *should* be able to get shots indoors just as you would with a standard 
camera.  

> 
>>> 
>>> IR is supposed to be really good for harsh daylight (shooting in the middle 
>>> of the day), so I took it out from 1:00 to 3:00 today to photograph a field 
>>> of sunflowers that are just coming into bloom.
>>> 
>>> I had it at F8 using the SMC Pentax-DA 1:1.8 50mm lens it seems like 
>>> everything is really soft (out of focus?) except for stuff out on the 
>>> horizon.
>>> 
>>> I've got to go out and make another test, but anyone got ideas?
>> You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor sees, 
>> either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the little 
>> red dot that shows the IR focus point.  The autofocus system focuses for the 
>> visual spectrum, but IR focuses differently.
> 
> H? The K20D has live view?


Hmmm, that’s an issue.  Maybe take some test shots and look at the preview 
screen zoomed in.  

If you photograph under LED or fluorescent light there should be no IR.  

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Re: IR Photography

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On 7/12/2023 7:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote:




On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:47 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

I had my K20D converted to Amplified Color (665nm) IR.

Had my first chance to test it out today. Didn't notice they'd reset the 
default output to JPEG, so I'm going to have to make another test outing.


Yeah, that bit me when I took my K20 to burning man after having it repaired.  
When I got home and started to process the photos I couldn't figure out why 
they wouldn't adjust properly.



First thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work very well if it's not bright 
sunlight. Test shots I took indoors don't show ANY image unless I boost the ISO way 
high & use high exposure compensation.


So you have it blocking all visible light?



"IF" I understand what they did, they replaced the regular IR filter 
with another filter that passes IR below 665nm so that I get visible 
light PLUS the upper end of the IR spectrum ... ???




IR is supposed to be really good for harsh daylight (shooting in the middle of 
the day), so I took it out from 1:00 to 3:00 today to photograph a field of 
sunflowers that are just coming into bloom.

I had it at F8 using the SMC Pentax-DA 1:1.8 50mm lens it seems like everything 
is really soft (out of focus?) except for stuff out on the horizon.

I've got to go out and make another test, but anyone got ideas?


You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor sees, 
either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the little red 
dot that shows the IR focus point.  The autofocus system focuses for the visual 
spectrum, but IR focuses differently.



H? The K20D has live view?


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Re: IR Photography

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> On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:47 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
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> I had my K20D converted to Amplified Color (665nm) IR.
> 
> Had my first chance to test it out today. Didn't notice they'd reset the 
> default output to JPEG, so I'm going to have to make another test outing.

Yeah, that bit me when I took my K20 to burning man after having it repaired.  
When I got home and started to process the photos I couldn't figure out why 
they wouldn't adjust properly.

> 
> First thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work very well if it's not 
> bright sunlight. Test shots I took indoors don't show ANY image unless I 
> boost the ISO way high & use high exposure compensation.

So you have it blocking all visible light?

> 
> IR is supposed to be really good for harsh daylight (shooting in the middle 
> of the day), so I took it out from 1:00 to 3:00 today to photograph a field 
> of sunflowers that are just coming into bloom.
> 
> I had it at F8 using the SMC Pentax-DA 1:1.8 50mm lens it seems like 
> everything is really soft (out of focus?) except for stuff out on the horizon.
> 
> I've got to go out and make another test, but anyone got ideas?

You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor sees, 
either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the little red 
dot that shows the IR focus point.  The autofocus system focuses for the visual 
spectrum, but IR focuses differently.

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IR Photography

[John Sessoms]

I had my K20D converted to Amplified Color (665nm) IR.

Had my first chance to test it out today. Didn't notice they'd reset the 
default output to JPEG, so I'm going to have to make another test outing.


First thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work very well if it's 
not bright sunlight. Test shots I took indoors don't show ANY image 
unless I boost the ISO way high & use high exposure compensation.


IR is supposed to be really good for harsh daylight (shooting in the 
middle of the day), so I took it out from 1:00 to 3:00 today to 
photograph a field of sunflowers that are just coming into bloom.


I had it at F8 using the SMC Pentax-DA 1:1.8 50mm lens it seems like 
everything is really soft (out of focus?) except for stuff out on the 
horizon.


I've got to go out and make another test, but anyone got ideas?

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Re: OT: technology and the photography industry

[Henk Terhell]

Interesting.
On this topic, one of my favourite channels on YouTube is @ColdFusion that
shows a lot of history about technology disruptions besides current
developments.

Henk

Op vr 2 jun 2023 om 15:15 schreef mike wilson :

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>  This guy has a number of presentations depicting how digital technology
> has changed many aspects of industry.  Quite a few of them are about
> photography and, particularly, Kodak.  They can be viewed online or
> downloaded.
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OT: technology and the photography industry

[mike wilson]

 This guy has a number of presentations depicting how digital technology has 
changed many aspects of industry.  Quite a few of them are about photography 
and, particularly, Kodak.  They can be viewed online or downloaded. 



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Re: If I had a photography bucket list item ...

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> On Apr 20, 2023, at 8:00 AM, coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
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> … it would be to get another 8x10 and have a pilot fly me to some place in 
> northern Canada or Alaska where nobody has been or photographed yet. And then 
> do it.
> 
> Also, I’d like to have Elon Musk fly me to Mars to photograph it as long as 
> there’s a guaranteed return trip.

I think, in the latter case, that if Elon were good buddy enough to fly me 
there, I'd just as well stay and enjoy the quiet. Presuming a couple years stay 
in an appropriate habitat and enough interesting videos in the library, of 
course.

I'd be happy to work for him as Greeter for the next expeditions... :)

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If I had a photography bucket list item ...

[collinb]

… it would be to get another 8x10 and have a pilot fly me to some place in 
northern Canada or Alaska where nobody has been or photographed yet. And then 
do it.

Also, I’d like to have Elon Musk fly me to Mars to photograph it as long as 
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OT: American life through the eyes of a color photography pioneer

[John Sessoms]

American life through the eyes of a color photography pioneer - 
https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/joel-meyerowitz-color-berlin/index.html


Nothing in the article to suggest he used Pentax, but also nothing to 
suggest he didn't.


But I find it interesting that "color" photography was considered 
"amateur" when LIFE is itself in color ...


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Re: Re: Photography in ...

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Bill wrote:

> Actually, they've been computers with lenses since the mid 1980s.
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Of course. Dedicated microcontrollers, more like the logic processors in your 
washing machine that operates transparent to the user.
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Re: Photography in ...

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On 1/18/2023 7:52 AM, coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:

1880 You had to be a chemist and an optics expert

1900 The pro stuff now has options but Eastman made it easy for Average Joe

1950 Today we've got them in an instant

1970 Film cartridges are so convenient

1980 Electronics automated the complex stuff

2000 All this automation has made it too complicated

2010 Today I took a picture of myself with my phone. Aren't I special.

2020 It's not a camera. It's a computer with a lens.


Actually, they've been computers with lenses since the mid 1980s.

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OT: Interesting photography walk.

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://dartmouthalumnimagazine.com/articles/eli-burakian-iceland-fkt

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OT: The Hazards of being a stock photography model

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://digg.com/internet-culture/link/abigail-johnson-stock-photography-model-guardian-PSQRt1fjZk
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Re: OT: When Photography Gets You in Trouble at 35,000 Feet

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https://thepointsguy.com/2015/06/no-photos-allowed-on-aa/

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> https://www.johnnyjet.com/american-airlines-flight-attendant-physically-detains-aviation-photographer-until-he-showed-images/
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Re: OT: When Photography Gets You in Trouble at 35,000 Feet

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Am 01.11.22 um 20:39 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:

https://www.johnnyjet.com/american-airlines-flight-attendant-physically-detains-aviation-photographer-until-he-showed-images/


Haven't been on a plane for almost 20 years. Glad I don't have to. If I
really missed being transported like cattle I could always take one of
the local trams duing the morning rush hour.

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OT: When Photography Gets You in Trouble at 35,000 Feet

[Daniel J. Matyola]

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Interesting take on computational photography

[Larry Colen]

Wherein he asks
How much automagic preprocessing in a phone is too much?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ8giCWDcyE

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Re: OT: Equine photography

[David J Brooks]

Yes i dd equine photography for $$$ from 2000 to 2008 when I decided
working for $1.67 an hour was not cutting it.

I still do, covid permitting, equine work of working horses which I hope
will carry on in 2022. Ann i was going to mention the over done work that
Ken Rockwell loves, but you beat me to it

Dave

On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 7:03 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:

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> On 12/2/2021 5:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> > On Dec 2, 2021, at 1:52 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
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Re: OT: Equine photography

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On 12/2/2021 5:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Dec 2, 2021, at 1:52 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

John -
I'd rather look at old film photos of yours than this overly phony artsy-fartsy 
stuff this woman is doing..um that is overdoing.

Ann,

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Re: OT: Equine photography

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Re: OT: Equine photography

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John -
I'd rather look at old film photos of yours than this overly phony 
artsy-fartsy stuff this woman is doing..um that is overdoing.

But it seems to be the fashion these days...


Yup Dave was doing Equine photography

 straighforward shots of working horses that are much more appealing 
and real..
I believe there were shots of young equestirans as well in shows - even 
some jumpers, yes?


ann


On 12/2/2021 3:20 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
Didn't David Brooks used to post a lot of horse stuff from those "old 
time" farm events from around where he lives?


I consider that equine photography.

Besides, why should dogs & cats get all the attention?

On 12/1/2021 9:28 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Quite elaborate and dramatic!

First equine photographer I have encountered.

Reminds me of the tiny veterinarian's office I came across in the 
village

of Oldwick, near where I live.  I couldn
't figure out how they managed with such a small office, and no 
parking or

outdoor runs.  Then I noticed that under the name of the group it stated
"equine sports medicine."
Everything they do is by house (or horse) calls.

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For the first time since Covid I joined my Nature Photography Club for
their monthly meeting via Zoom. This month's presenter was Phyllis
Burchett who specializes in Equine photography.

Some really inspiring photography:

https://phyllisburchettphoto.net/galleries/






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Re: OT: Equine photography

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Didn't David Brooks used to post a lot of horse stuff from those "old 
time" farm events from around where he lives?


I consider that equine photography.

Besides, why should dogs & cats get all the attention?

On 12/1/2021 9:28 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Quite elaborate and dramatic!

First equine photographer I have encountered.

Reminds me of the tiny veterinarian's office I came across in the village
of Oldwick, near where I live.  I couldn
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outdoor runs.  Then I noticed that under the name of the group it stated
"equine sports medicine."
Everything they do is by house (or horse) calls.

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For the first time since Covid I joined my Nature Photography Club for
their monthly meeting via Zoom. This month's presenter was Phyllis
Burchett who specializes in Equine photography.

Some really inspiring photography:

https://phyllisburchettphoto.net/galleries/




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Re: OT: Equine photography

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Quite elaborate and dramatic!

First equine photographer I have encountered.

Reminds me of the tiny veterinarian's office I came across in the village
of Oldwick, near where I live.  I couldn
't figure out how they managed with such a small office, and no parking or
outdoor runs.  Then I noticed that under the name of the group it stated
"equine sports medicine."
Everything they do is by house (or horse) calls.

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> their monthly meeting via Zoom. This month's presenter was Phyllis
> Burchett who specializes in Equine photography.
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> Some really inspiring photography:
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> https://phyllisburchettphoto.net/galleries/
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OT: Equine photography

[John Sessoms]

For the first time since Covid I joined my Nature Photography Club for 
their monthly meeting via Zoom. This month's presenter was Phyllis 
Burchett who specializes in Equine photography.


Some really inspiring photography:

https://phyllisburchettphoto.net/galleries/

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OT: 2021 iPhone Photography Award Winners

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://digg.com/2021/2021-iphone-photography-awards-winners


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Grandfather Mountain Photography Weekend

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Grandfather Mountain Photography Weekend registration opens July 5

https://grandfather.com/grandfather-mountain-photography-weekend-registration-opens-july-5/

It says there's going to be a contest. Will there be a Mark & Doug show?

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Re: Pentax drone photography?

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On Thu., May 27, 2021, 11:22 a.m. John,  wrote:

> Yeah, I know that.
>
> I was wondering more about if there are drones that could carry an actual
> camera
> rather than having one built in.
>
> It's just idle curiosity.
>

Yes there are. The ones I am familiar with are made by DJI. They have a
couple of heavy lift drones. I suspect the one you would be looking at
would be their 8 rotor drone, or a similar one from another company.
The camera of choice for drone enthusiasts seems to be the Canon 5D, though
now that mirrorless cameras have taken over, it's probably a Sony that is
favored now.

Bill

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Re: Pentax drone photography?

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John,

Plenty of drones are available that can heft as big a camera as you care to 
mention! Not cheap though ;-)

Cot




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I was wondering more about if there are drones that could carry an actual 
camera rather than having one built in.
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Re: Pentax drone photography?

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Correct.  In the US if a drone is used for recreational purposes and 
weighs over 250 grams (.55 lb) it must be registered with the Federal 
Aviation Administration (FAA).  If a drone is used for commercial 
purposes it must be registered regardless of weight. The cost for either 
is 5 USD for 3 years.


In addition, commercial operations require you to be a licensed drone 
pilot so if you take photos or videos with your drone and sell them, 
you're supposed to be licensed.  The FAA takes a broad view on what is 
considered commercial.  It might be something as innocuous as posting 
drone photos or videos on a blog that gets a little income from sharing 
ads.  Obviously they're not going to be scrubbing through blogs and web 
sites looking for violations but there are folks who don't like drones 
who complain and then the FAA will look into it.


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On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 4:01 PM John  wrote:


Is there a drone that might be able to hoist a Pentax DSLR.

I've seen some inspiring drone nature photography lately, but no *Pentax*
drone
photography, so I'm wondering how you might go about doing it.

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Yeah, I know that.

I was wondering more about if there are drones that could carry an actual camera 
rather than having one built in.


It's just idle curiosity.


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On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 4:01 PM John  wrote:


Is there a drone that might be able to hoist a Pentax DSLR.

I've seen some inspiring drone nature photography lately, but no *Pentax*
drone
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On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 4:01 PM John  wrote:

> Is there a drone that might be able to hoist a Pentax DSLR.
>
> I've seen some inspiring drone nature photography lately, but no *Pentax*
> drone
> photography, so I'm wondering how you might go about doing it.
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Re: Pentax drone photography?

[Underpaid N. Overpentaxed]

If you want I can put you in touch with the right people to build or sell
you one and teach you the basics

Underpaid N. Overpentaxed  schrieb am Sa. 22. Mai
2021 um 22:03:

> Yes, you would need something like an X Class drone or an 8 motor cine
> rig. Expect to pay North of 5 grand, and a steep learning curve. Start in a
> sim if you can’t afford to crash
>
> John  schrieb am Sa. 22. Mai 2021 um 22:01:
>
>> Is there a drone that might be able to hoist a Pentax DSLR.
>>
>> I've seen some inspiring drone nature photography lately, but no *Pentax*
>> drone
>> photography, so I'm wondering how you might go about doing it.
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Yes, you would need something like an X Class drone or an 8 motor cine rig.
Expect to pay North of 5 grand, and a steep learning curve. Start in a sim
if you can’t afford to crash

John  schrieb am Sa. 22. Mai 2021 um 22:01:

> Is there a drone that might be able to hoist a Pentax DSLR.
>
> I've seen some inspiring drone nature photography lately, but no *Pentax*
> drone
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Pentax drone photography?

[John]

Is there a drone that might be able to hoist a Pentax DSLR.

I've seen some inspiring drone nature photography lately, but no *Pentax* drone 
photography, so I'm wondering how you might go about doing it.


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Re: A little OT: Volcano for the People: Stunning visuals from Iceland's spectacular volcanic eruption: Digital Photography Review

[ann sanfedele]

This was wonderful to watch!  Thanks for that link - best one I had seen

ann

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Don't miss the videos...some spectacular shots of the Icelandic volcano.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4999134036/volcano-for-the-people-stunning-visuals-from-iceland-s-spectacular-volcanic-eruption?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=2021-april-22_=pe_1822230_579708700_dpr_nl_474_33 



https://tinyurl.com/97vptby8

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Re: A little OT: Volcano for the People: Stunning visuals from Iceland's spectacular volcanic eruption: Digital Photography Review

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Volcanoes are fascinating!  Thanks for sharing.

I have visited Kilauea, on the Big Island of Hawaii, on four separate
occasions.  I have twice ben able to see the lava actively flowing,
once flowing into the ocean.  Once I was able to get so close I
could fgeel the heat on my cheeks, but they park rangers keep visitors
farther back now.  It is an event not to be missed if you have the
opportunity to watch a live volcano, In Iceland, on Hawaii or elsewhere.
Just avoid the explosive ones.

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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 7:14 PM Paul Sorenson  wrote:

> Don't miss the videos...some spectacular shots of the Icelandic volcano.
>
>
> https://www.dpreview.com/news/4999134036/volcano-for-the-people-stunning-visuals-from-iceland-s-spectacular-volcanic-eruption?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=2021-april-22_=pe_1822230_579708700_dpr_nl_474_33
>
> https://tinyurl.com/97vptby8
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Re: A little OT: Volcano for the People: Stunning visuals from Iceland's spectacular volcanic eruption: Digital Photography Review

[mike wilson]

> On 23 April 2021 at 00:14 Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Don't miss the videos...some spectacular shots of the Icelandic volcano.
> 
> https://www.dpreview.com/news/4999134036/volcano-for-the-people-stunning-visuals-from-iceland-s-spectacular-volcanic-eruption?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=2021-april-22_=pe_1822230_579708700_dpr_nl_474_33
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/97vptby8

I've been watching it for a while.  Here's a sad one.
https://youtu.be/rGu5m8QAYnU
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[Paul Sorenson]

Don't miss the videos...some spectacular shots of the Icelandic volcano.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4999134036/volcano-for-the-people-stunning-visuals-from-iceland-s-spectacular-volcanic-eruption?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=2021-april-22_=pe_1822230_579708700_dpr_nl_474_33

https://tinyurl.com/97vptby8

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Re: OT 1890's street photography

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I love Jimmy Buffett!

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:25 PM John  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQS4S3vgGA
>
> On 1/19/2021 17:11:13, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRVUe2Ha6dg
> >
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> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 4:32 PM Ken Waller  wrote:
> >
> >> A commando .
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >>> From: John 
> >>> Sent: Jan 19, 2021 1:52 PM
> >>> To: pdml@pdml.net
> >>> Subject: Re: OT 1890's street photography
> >>>
> >>> On 1/19/2021 12:48:32, Bob Pdml wrote:
> >>>>> On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in
> >> most areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are
> competing
> >> for a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it.
> Amazingly,
> >> most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed
> for
> >> wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so
> I
> >> now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on
> >> Sundays.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alan C
> >>>>
> >>>> So you go to church in your underwear?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> If boxers wear boxer shorts and Jockey's wear jockey shorts ... what do
> >> you call
> >>> a guy who doesn't wear any shorts?
> >>>
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Alan C]

Hang in there, Dan. I think we are all suffering from a bit of that at 
the moment.


Alan C

On 19-Jan-21 09:49 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Maui, most men wear shorts and sandals to church.
I was supposed to be in Maui for our annual winter visit by now, but
because of the Damn COVID pandemic and the slow roll-out of the vaccines,
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I am quite depressed.

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 12:44 PM Alan C  wrote:


No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most
areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing
for a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it.
Amazingly, most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I
was slammed for wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple
of years ago so I now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year
round) a rest on Sundays.

Alan C

On 19-Jan-21 06:46 PM, Bill wrote:

On 1/18/2021 9:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I'm always amazed at how everyone got all dressed up in that era,
through
the 1950s.  Today, t-shirts, shorts, and sandals are accepted in
church and
at the opera, as well as on the streets.


Churches and operas and the like are desperate enough for patrons and
the money they bring with them that they have had to lower their
standards.

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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[John]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQS4S3vgGA

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRVUe2Ha6dg

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 4:32 PM Ken Waller  wrote:


A commando .


-Original Message-

From: John 
Sent: Jan 19, 2021 1:52 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT 1890's street photography

On 1/19/2021 12:48:32, Bob Pdml wrote:

On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:

No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in

most areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing
for a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. Amazingly,
most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed for
wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so I
now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on
Sundays.


Alan C


So you go to church in your underwear?




If boxers wear boxer shorts and Jockey's wear jockey shorts ... what do

you call

a guy who doesn't wear any shorts?


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[Ken Waller]

A commando . 


-Original Message-
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>Subject: Re: OT 1890's street photography
>
>On 1/19/2021 12:48:32, Bob Pdml wrote:
>>> On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:
>>>
>>> No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most 
>>> areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing for 
>>> a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. Amazingly, 
>>> most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed for 
>>> wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so I 
>>> now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on 
>>> Sundays.
>>>
>>> Alan C
>> 
>> So you go to church in your underwear?
>> 
>> 
>
>If boxers wear boxer shorts and Jockey's wear jockey shorts ... what do you 
>call 
>a guy who doesn't wear any shorts?
>
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

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On Tue., Jan. 19, 2021, 12:52 p.m. John,  wrote:

>
>
> If boxers wear boxer shorts and Jockey's wear jockey shorts ... what do
> you call
> a guy who doesn't wear any shorts?
>

Scottish.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRVUe2Ha6dg

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> A commando .
>
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: John 
> >Sent: Jan 19, 2021 1:52 PM
> >To: pdml@pdml.net
> >Subject: Re: OT 1890's street photography
> >
> >On 1/19/2021 12:48:32, Bob Pdml wrote:
> >>> On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in
> most areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing
> for a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. Amazingly,
> most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed for
> wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so I
> now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on
> Sundays.
> >>>
> >>> Alan C
> >>
> >> So you go to church in your underwear?
> >>
> >>
> >
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> you call
> >a guy who doesn't wear any shorts?
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On Maui, most men wear shorts and sandals to church.
I was supposed to be in Maui for our annual winter visit by now, but
because of the Damn COVID pandemic and the slow roll-out of the vaccines,
we had to cancel.
I am quite depressed.

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 12:44 PM Alan C  wrote:

> No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most
> areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing
> for a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it.
> Amazingly, most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I
> was slammed for wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple
> of years ago so I now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year
> round) a rest on Sundays.
>
> Alan C
>
> On 19-Jan-21 06:46 PM, Bill wrote:
> > On 1/18/2021 9:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >> I'm always amazed at how everyone got all dressed up in that era,
> >> through
> >> the 1950s.  Today, t-shirts, shorts, and sandals are accepted in
> >> church and
> >> at the opera, as well as on the streets.
> >>
> >
> > Churches and operas and the like are desperate enough for patrons and
> > the money they bring with them that they have had to lower their
> > standards.
> >
> > bill
> >
>
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Alan C]

Those too!

Alan C

On 19-Jan-21 07:48 PM, Bob Pdml wrote:

On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:

No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most areas 
in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing for a 
mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. Amazingly, most 
people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed for wearing 
shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so I now give my 
shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on Sundays.

Alan C

So you go to church in your underwear?





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Re: OT 1890's street photography

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On 1/19/2021 12:48:32, Bob Pdml wrote:

On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:

No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most areas 
in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing for a 
mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. Amazingly, most 
people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed for wearing 
shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so I now give my 
shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on Sundays.

Alan C


So you go to church in your underwear?




If boxers wear boxer shorts and Jockey's wear jockey shorts ... what do you call 
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

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> On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most areas 
> in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing for a 
> mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. Amazingly, most 
> people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed for wearing 
> shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so I now give my 
> shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on Sundays.
> 
> Alan C

So you go to church in your underwear?


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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Alan C]

No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most 
areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing 
for a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. 
Amazingly, most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I 
was slammed for wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple 
of years ago so I now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year 
round) a rest on Sundays.


Alan C

On 19-Jan-21 06:46 PM, Bill wrote:

On 1/18/2021 9:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I'm always amazed at how everyone got all dressed up in that era, 
through
the 1950s.  Today, t-shirts, shorts, and sandals are accepted in 
church and

at the opera, as well as on the streets.



Churches and operas and the like are desperate enough for patrons and 
the money they bring with them that they have had to lower their 
standards.


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Re: OT 1890's street photography

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On 1/18/2021 9:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I'm always amazed at how everyone got all dressed up in that era, through
the 1950s.  Today, t-shirts, shorts, and sandals are accepted in church and
at the opera, as well as on the streets.



Churches and operas and the like are desperate enough for patrons and 
the money they bring with them that they have had to lower their standards.


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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Ken Waller]

You can have my cars when you tear those keys out of my cold dead hands - VBG.


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>From: Bob Pdml 
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>
>That’s correct, but we can have sewers without cars and we don’t have to go 
>back to horses. We don’t have to throw all improvements overboard in order to 
>get rid of cars.
>
>> On 18 Jan 2021, at 12:24, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree: Nineteenth century photos are charming. Of course what doesn’t 
>> register is the raw sewage coursing through the streets, the mountains of 
>> horse dung and the accompanying smells and health issues. Those times make 
>> for a pretty picture but life was difficult.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fascinating. 
>>> 
>>> Whenever I see photos from that period I can’t help noticing how beautiful 
>>> the towns look without motor vehicles and all the accompanying street 
>>> furniture they bring with them, and also how people make use of the public 
>>> space which cars now dominate.
>>> 
>>>>> On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:07, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool
>>>> 
>>>> https://mymodernmet.com/carl-stormer-hidden-camera-photography/
>>>> 
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I'm always amazed at how everyone got all dressed up in that era, through
the 1950s.  Today, t-shirts, shorts, and sandals are accepted in church and
at the opera, as well as on the streets.

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> The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool
>
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Paul Stenquist]

Of course not. But cars will always be needed in more rural areas. Of course 
they can and will be electric for the most part. 

Paul

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:00 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> That’s correct, but we can have sewers without cars and we don’t have to go 
> back to horses. We don’t have to throw all improvements overboard in order to 
> get rid of cars.
> 
>> On 18 Jan 2021, at 12:24, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree: Nineteenth century photos are charming. Of course what doesn’t 
>> register is the raw sewage coursing through the streets, the mountains of 
>> horse dung and the accompanying smells and health issues. Those times make 
>> for a pretty picture but life was difficult.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fascinating. 
>>> 
>>> Whenever I see photos from that period I can’t help noticing how beautiful 
>>> the towns look without motor vehicles and all the accompanying street 
>>> furniture they bring with them, and also how people make use of the public 
>>> space which cars now dominate.
>>> 
>>>>> On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:07, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool
>>>> 
>>>> https://mymodernmet.com/carl-stormer-hidden-camera-photography/
>>>> 
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Alan C]

Of course the real problem is overpopulation - from 1.5b in 1890 to 7.8b 
today - a five-fold increase in 130 years. Perfect for pandemics.


Alan C

On 18-Jan-21 02:59 PM, Bob Pdml wrote:

That’s correct, but we can have sewers without cars and we don’t have to go 
back to horses. We don’t have to throw all improvements overboard in order to 
get rid of cars.


On 18 Jan 2021, at 12:24, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

I agree: Nineteenth century photos are charming. Of course what doesn’t 
register is the raw sewage coursing through the streets, the mountains of horse 
dung and the accompanying smells and health issues. Those times make for a 
pretty picture but life was difficult.

Paul


On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:

Fascinating.

Whenever I see photos from that period I can’t help noticing how beautiful the 
towns look without motor vehicles and all the accompanying street furniture 
they bring with them, and also how people make use of the public space which 
cars now dominate.


On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:07, Larry Colen  wrote:

The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool

https://mymodernmet.com/carl-stormer-hidden-camera-photography/


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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Bob Pdml]

That’s correct, but we can have sewers without cars and we don’t have to go 
back to horses. We don’t have to throw all improvements overboard in order to 
get rid of cars.

> On 18 Jan 2021, at 12:24, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> I agree: Nineteenth century photos are charming. Of course what doesn’t 
> register is the raw sewage coursing through the streets, the mountains of 
> horse dung and the accompanying smells and health issues. Those times make 
> for a pretty picture but life was difficult.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
>> 
>> Fascinating. 
>> 
>> Whenever I see photos from that period I can’t help noticing how beautiful 
>> the towns look without motor vehicles and all the accompanying street 
>> furniture they bring with them, and also how people make use of the public 
>> space which cars now dominate.
>> 
>>>> On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:07, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool
>>> 
>>> https://mymodernmet.com/carl-stormer-hidden-camera-photography/
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Paul Stenquist]

I agree: Nineteenth century photos are charming. Of course what doesn’t 
register is the raw sewage coursing through the streets, the mountains of horse 
dung and the accompanying smells and health issues. Those times make for a 
pretty picture but life was difficult.

Paul

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> Fascinating. 
> 
> Whenever I see photos from that period I can’t help noticing how beautiful 
> the towns look without motor vehicles and all the accompanying street 
> furniture they bring with them, and also how people make use of the public 
> space which cars now dominate.
> 
>> On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:07, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool
>> 
>> https://mymodernmet.com/carl-stormer-hidden-camera-photography/
>> 
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Bob Pdml]

Fascinating. 

Whenever I see photos from that period I can’t help noticing how beautiful the 
towns look without motor vehicles and all the accompanying street furniture 
they bring with them, and also how people make use of the public space which 
cars now dominate.

> On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:07, Larry Colen  wrote:
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> The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool
> 
> https://mymodernmet.com/carl-stormer-hidden-camera-photography/
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Alan C]

Cool indeed! It seems many of the subjects acknowledged (were aware of) 
the photographer but had no idea they were being photographed. 
"Un-bustable Carl"?


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Re: OT: Bird Photography made automatic

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Hmmm.  Looks like a re-branded doorbell camera.  Enjoyed the video.  

-p

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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mybirdbuddy/bird-buddy-a-smart-bird-feeder

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Re: Photography Lesson - Pentax

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Am 19.10.20 um 09:56 schrieb Steve Cottrell:


Aha I should have said she brought me a bottle of Bushmill's :-)


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Re: Photography Lesson - Pentax

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On 18/10/20, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>did she bring an apple for teach.:-)

Aha I should have said she brought me a bottle of Bushmill's :-)




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Re: Photography Lesson - Pentax

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You seem to be a great teacher, at least when dealing with subject matter
you love!

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 2:23 PM Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> Hidehi PDMLers
>
> A friend of my wife's has been after a 'digital camera lesson' for some
> time, and she finally came around last Friday. I had been dreading it, but
> actually it went very well. She's a musician (violin) and artist.
>
> She's in her 60s and many years ago had used 35mm cameras and even
> developed her own film, and printed. But this new-fangled digital was
> giving her a headache...
>
> I pinched a few pics of the interwebz and printed them out, breakdown of a
> mirrorless and DSLR, f-stops, ISO sensitivity etc - I knew she had a DSLR
> and was prepared for her to produce a Canon - but no! Out came a Pentax
> Kr
>
> The lesson was about 90 minutes and started with basics, progressing onto
> exposure and how crucial the lens choice was and so on. The one thing that
> threw her was the mode dial up top. So we went through the whole PASM
> thing, and I explained what each meant. She was very enthusiastic and
> despite my providing some primer sheets, she took notes in a booklet. I had
> my Olympus Pen F on hand, and of course then sensor sizes needed
> explaining.
>
> When we got onto how aperture affects the photo, I retrieved my K50/1.4
> and put that on her camera (which only had an 18-55 kit lens) and let her
> have a play - she was amazed that the lens worked and illustrated perfectly
> the concepts discussed using the live preview facility. She was astonished
> to learn that you can pick up a 50/1.7 for peanuts off eBay - and
> apparently spent the evening scouring for some bargains.
>
> I also had my MX at hand, and that was great for showing how the shutter
> works, stripped of lens and back. So much better to have the hardware in
> front of you to illustrate theory
>
> That's all really. Found the Kr to be a usable camera, perfect for her.
> Some of the menus were a bit confusing, but got there. And the rubbish up
> there on the mode dial! Get rid of it all and just have PASM (although it
> took me a minute to figure out that Sv was not 'shutter priority' haha -
> the Pentax obviously being 'PATMS')
>
> Work picking up a bit for me finally, and been shooting some more sailing
> things, got a 30 minute doc about a gaff-rigged cutter built in France in
> 1913 called the Jolie Brise coming out soon, so will post a link in case
> anyone's interested. All shot on a (new to me) Sony PMW-F3.
>
> Meanwhile, more boat building tomorrow! Filmmaker, photographer, and also
> now rigger, cabinet-maker, plumber and electrician.
>
> Needs must...
>
> Cheers all
>
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Re: Photography Lesson - Pentax

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did she bring an apple for teach.:-)

Dave

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 2:52 PM Paul Stenquist 
wrote:

> Good job! You should have been a teacher.
>
> Paul
>
> > On Oct 18, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> >
> > Hidehi PDMLers
> >
> > A friend of my wife's has been after a 'digital camera lesson' for some
> time, and she finally came around last Friday. I had been dreading it, but
> actually it went very well. She's a musician (violin) and artist.
> >
> > She's in her 60s and many years ago had used 35mm cameras and even
> developed her own film, and printed. But this new-fangled digital was
> giving her a headache...
> >
> > I pinched a few pics of the interwebz and printed them out, breakdown of
> a mirrorless and DSLR, f-stops, ISO sensitivity etc - I knew she had a DSLR
> and was prepared for her to produce a Canon - but no! Out came a Pentax
> Kr
> >
> > The lesson was about 90 minutes and started with basics, progressing
> onto exposure and how crucial the lens choice was and so on. The one thing
> that threw her was the mode dial up top. So we went through the whole PASM
> thing, and I explained what each meant. She was very enthusiastic and
> despite my providing some primer sheets, she took notes in a booklet. I had
> my Olympus Pen F on hand, and of course then sensor sizes needed
> explaining.
> >
> > When we got onto how aperture affects the photo, I retrieved my K50/1.4
> and put that on her camera (which only had an 18-55 kit lens) and let her
> have a play - she was amazed that the lens worked and illustrated perfectly
> the concepts discussed using the live preview facility. She was astonished
> to learn that you can pick up a 50/1.7 for peanuts off eBay - and
> apparently spent the evening scouring for some bargains.
> >
> > I also had my MX at hand, and that was great for showing how the shutter
> works, stripped of lens and back. So much better to have the hardware in
> front of you to illustrate theory
> >
> > That's all really. Found the Kr to be a usable camera, perfect for her.
> Some of the menus were a bit confusing, but got there. And the rubbish up
> there on the mode dial! Get rid of it all and just have PASM (although it
> took me a minute to figure out that Sv was not 'shutter priority' haha -
> the Pentax obviously being 'PATMS')
> >
> > Work picking up a bit for me finally, and been shooting some more
> sailing things, got a 30 minute doc about a gaff-rigged cutter built in
> France in 1913 called the Jolie Brise coming out soon, so will post a link
> in case anyone's interested. All shot on a (new to me) Sony PMW-F3.
> >
> > Meanwhile, more boat building tomorrow! Filmmaker, photographer, and
> also now rigger, cabinet-maker, plumber and electrician.
> >
> > Needs must...
> >
> > Cheers all
> >
> > cotty
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Re: Photography Lesson - Pentax

[Paul Stenquist]

Good job! You should have been a teacher.

Paul

> On Oct 18, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Hidehi PDMLers
> 
> A friend of my wife's has been after a 'digital camera lesson' for some time, 
> and she finally came around last Friday. I had been dreading it, but actually 
> it went very well. She's a musician (violin) and artist.
> 
> She's in her 60s and many years ago had used 35mm cameras and even developed 
> her own film, and printed. But this new-fangled digital was giving her a 
> headache...
> 
> I pinched a few pics of the interwebz and printed them out, breakdown of a 
> mirrorless and DSLR, f-stops, ISO sensitivity etc - I knew she had a DSLR and 
> was prepared for her to produce a Canon - but no! Out came a Pentax Kr
> 
> The lesson was about 90 minutes and started with basics, progressing onto 
> exposure and how crucial the lens choice was and so on. The one thing that 
> threw her was the mode dial up top. So we went through the whole PASM thing, 
> and I explained what each meant. She was very enthusiastic and despite my 
> providing some primer sheets, she took notes in a booklet. I had my Olympus 
> Pen F on hand, and of course then sensor sizes needed explaining. 
> 
> When we got onto how aperture affects the photo, I retrieved my K50/1.4 and 
> put that on her camera (which only had an 18-55 kit lens) and let her have a 
> play - she was amazed that the lens worked and illustrated perfectly the 
> concepts discussed using the live preview facility. She was astonished to 
> learn that you can pick up a 50/1.7 for peanuts off eBay - and apparently 
> spent the evening scouring for some bargains.
> 
> I also had my MX at hand, and that was great for showing how the shutter 
> works, stripped of lens and back. So much better to have the hardware in 
> front of you to illustrate theory
> 
> That's all really. Found the Kr to be a usable camera, perfect for her. Some 
> of the menus were a bit confusing, but got there. And the rubbish up there on 
> the mode dial! Get rid of it all and just have PASM (although it took me a 
> minute to figure out that Sv was not 'shutter priority' haha - the Pentax 
> obviously being 'PATMS')
> 
> Work picking up a bit for me finally, and been shooting some more sailing 
> things, got a 30 minute doc about a gaff-rigged cutter built in France in 
> 1913 called the Jolie Brise coming out soon, so will post a link in case 
> anyone's interested. All shot on a (new to me) Sony PMW-F3.
> 
> Meanwhile, more boat building tomorrow! Filmmaker, photographer, and also now 
> rigger, cabinet-maker, plumber and electrician.
> 
> Needs must...
> 
> Cheers all
> 
> cotty
> 
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Photography Lesson - Pentax

[Steve Cottrell]

Hidehi PDMLers

A friend of my wife's has been after a 'digital camera lesson' for some time, 
and she finally came around last Friday. I had been dreading it, but actually 
it went very well. She's a musician (violin) and artist.

She's in her 60s and many years ago had used 35mm cameras and even developed 
her own film, and printed. But this new-fangled digital was giving her a 
headache...

I pinched a few pics of the interwebz and printed them out, breakdown of a 
mirrorless and DSLR, f-stops, ISO sensitivity etc - I knew she had a DSLR and 
was prepared for her to produce a Canon - but no! Out came a Pentax Kr

The lesson was about 90 minutes and started with basics, progressing onto 
exposure and how crucial the lens choice was and so on. The one thing that 
threw her was the mode dial up top. So we went through the whole PASM thing, 
and I explained what each meant. She was very enthusiastic and despite my 
providing some primer sheets, she took notes in a booklet. I had my Olympus Pen 
F on hand, and of course then sensor sizes needed explaining. 

When we got onto how aperture affects the photo, I retrieved my K50/1.4 and put 
that on her camera (which only had an 18-55 kit lens) and let her have a play - 
she was amazed that the lens worked and illustrated perfectly the concepts 
discussed using the live preview facility. She was astonished to learn that you 
can pick up a 50/1.7 for peanuts off eBay - and apparently spent the evening 
scouring for some bargains.

I also had my MX at hand, and that was great for showing how the shutter works, 
stripped of lens and back. So much better to have the hardware in front of you 
to illustrate theory

That's all really. Found the Kr to be a usable camera, perfect for her. Some of 
the menus were a bit confusing, but got there. And the rubbish up there on the 
mode dial! Get rid of it all and just have PASM (although it took me a minute 
to figure out that Sv was not 'shutter priority' haha - the Pentax obviously 
being 'PATMS')

Work picking up a bit for me finally, and been shooting some more sailing 
things, got a 30 minute doc about a gaff-rigged cutter built in France in 1913 
called the Jolie Brise coming out soon, so will post a link in case anyone's 
interested. All shot on a (new to me) Sony PMW-F3.

Meanwhile, more boat building tomorrow! Filmmaker, photographer, and also now 
rigger, cabinet-maker, plumber and electrician.

Needs must...

Cheers all

cotty

 


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Re: 12 Tips for Autumn Photography

[Ken Waller]

The most important tip IMO is to get out early or late in the day for the light.


-Original Message-
>From: Larry Colen 
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>
>I like how he specifically says to both use a longer lens and use a wider lens.
>
>It does miss what I consider the most important tip for getting good 
>photographs,
>go out and take photos.  
>
>> On Oct 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, John  wrote:
>> 
>> I didn't mark it OT because it's not camera specific & I'll be using some of 
>> this when I next go out in search of "fall color".
>> 
>> https://petapixel.com/2020/10/03/12-tips-for-autumn-photography/
>> 
>> Nothing earth shaking there, but maybe a helpful reminder, especially #12.
>> 
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Re: 12 Tips for Autumn Photography

[Ken Waller]

Good reminders here.
My most used lens for fall photography is my 300mm, f4.0 FA.

-Original Message-
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>
>I didn't mark it OT because it's not camera specific & I'll be using some of 
>this when I next go out in search of "fall color".
>
>https://petapixel.com/2020/10/03/12-tips-for-autumn-photography/
>
>Nothing earth shaking there, but maybe a helpful reminder, especially #12.
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Re: 12 Tips for Autumn Photography

[Larry Colen]

I like how he specifically says to both use a longer lens and use a wider lens.

It does miss what I consider the most important tip for getting good 
photographs,
go out and take photos.  

> On Oct 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> I didn't mark it OT because it's not camera specific & I'll be using some of 
> this when I next go out in search of "fall color".
> 
> https://petapixel.com/2020/10/03/12-tips-for-autumn-photography/
> 
> Nothing earth shaking there, but maybe a helpful reminder, especially #12.
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12 Tips for Autumn Photography

[John]

I didn't mark it OT because it's not camera specific & I'll be using some of 
this when I next go out in search of "fall color".


https://petapixel.com/2020/10/03/12-tips-for-autumn-photography/

Nothing earth shaking there, but maybe a helpful reminder, especially #12.

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Re: Comedy Wildlife Photography Awards

[ann sanfedele]

They are mostly terrific!.. They don't need the titles they are given, 
but I suppose the photographers were pressed to do that.


ann

On 9/14/2020 5:05 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


These are fun:
https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-54118899

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Comedy Wildlife Photography Awards

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These are fun:
https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-54118899

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OT: Street Photography in B/W

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://photzy.com/14-excellent-examples-of-street-photography-in-black-and-white


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2020 Audubon Photography Awards

[John]

https://petapixel.com/2020/07/08/check-out-the-stunning-winners-of-the-2020-audubon-photography-awards/

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Re: 10 interesting photography facts

[John]

It doesn't just apply to photography.

On 6/8/2020 11:11:36, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



There are two types of GAS:
1. When you can afford, and that's nice; and
2. it stinks!

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Toine Sun, 07 Jun 2020 06:01:12 -0700 wrote:

Interesting. And thanks to this link I finally learned what my condition is
called: Gas, Gear Acquisition Syndrome. Sorry!


On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 16:04, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:


https://fstoppers.com/originals/10-mind-blowing-photography-facts-491530


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Re: 10 interesting photography facts

[Igor PDML-StR]

There are two types of GAS:
1. When you can afford, and that's nice; and
2. it stinks!

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Toine Sun, 07 Jun 2020 06:01:12 -0700 wrote:

Interesting. And thanks to this link I finally learned what my condition is
called: Gas, Gear Acquisition Syndrome. Sorry!


On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 16:04, Daniel J. Matyola  
wrote:



https://fstoppers.com/originals/10-mind-blowing-photography-facts-491530


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Re: 10 interesting photography facts

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Interesting. And thanks to this link I finally learned what my condition is
called: Gas, Gear Acquisition Syndrome. Sorry!

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> https://fstoppers.com/originals/10-mind-blowing-photography-facts-491530
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10 interesting photography facts

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://fstoppers.com/originals/10-mind-blowing-photography-facts-491530


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Re: OT Crap Wildlife Photography

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Great!  Thanks for the Link.

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On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:53 AM Larry Colen  wrote:

> The pictures in this article on it are pretty entertaining
>
> https://www.sadanduseless.com/crap-wildlife-photography/
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> It seems to average about 10,000 posts a month, so I suspect it might not
> be worth wading through
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OT Crap Wildlife Photography

[Larry Colen]

The pictures in this article on it are pretty entertaining

https://www.sadanduseless.com/crap-wildlife-photography/

It seems to average about 10,000 posts a month, so I suspect it might not be 
worth wading through
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1479326849031169/

Group Rules from the Admins
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Rule 1
Photos must be of animals, living and in the wild. Deceased animals, 
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group.
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Be courteous, no personal attacks or advocating animal abuse. Sarcasm and 
banter are encouraged in this group, but remember to keep it civil. No 
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charities, fundraisers, groups or pages.
4
Rule 4
Photos should be your own work, and should be crap, terrible, and/or awful. 
Photos deemed too good may risk being mocked (keep it civil, see rule 2).
5
Rule 5
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6
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There is no rule 6


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Re: Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend 2020 CANCELLED

[Mark Roberts]

John wrote:

>I got an email from them this morning. Tickets usually go on sale April 1.

Yeah, an email went out to the NPW team members a couple of days ago.
We'd all been expecting it. 

I'm hoping things are settled enough for the Camera Clinic weekend to
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Re: Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend 2020 CANCELLED

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On 1/4/20, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I got an email from them this morning. Tickets usually go on sale April 1.
>
>> Dear friends,
>> 
>> Regrettably, due to safety concerns surrounding the spread of COVID-19
>(novel
>> coronavirus), Grandfather Mountain has canceled the 2020 Nature Photography
>> Weekend, previously scheduled for May 29-31.

Well, I was expecting that.

The good news is this increases my chances of coming along next year.

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Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend 2020 CANCELLED

[John]

I got an email from them this morning. Tickets usually go on sale April 1.


Dear friends,

Regrettably, due to safety concerns surrounding the spread of COVID-19 (novel
coronavirus), Grandfather Mountain has canceled the 2020 Nature Photography
Weekend, previously scheduled for May 29-31.

This was not an easy decision to reach, but we feel it's a responsible one,
as the safety of our guests and staff comes first and foremost.

Grandfather Mountain voluntarily closed March 15, following suit with
executive orders from N.C. Gov. Roy Cooper (https://governor.nc.gov/) , the
latest of which directs North Carolinians to shelter at home
(https://files.nc.gov/governor/documents/files/EO121-Stay-at-Home-Order-3.pdf)
for 30 days, March 30 to April 29.

During the temporary closure, the park will maintain a minimal level of
essential staffing on site, including animal habitat keepers, maintenance and
security, while strictly adhering to guidelines and recommendations from
Centers for Disease Control (https://www.cdc.gov/) , the N.C. Department of
Health and Human Services (https://www.ncdhhs.gov/) and local officials
(https://www.apphealthcare.com/) .

As of now, the 2020 Grandfather Mountain Camera Clinic
(https://grandfather.com/event/grandfather-mountain-camera-clinic-2020) is
still scheduled for Aug. 15-16, while staff works on alternative methods of
providing a Nature Photography Weekend experience to our NPW family. Keep an
eye on your inbox and www.grandfather.com (https://grandfather.com/) for news
and updates.

Thanks for your patience, support and understanding. In the meantime, we hope
you and yours are doing well and keeping safe. We look forward to seeing you
all back on the mountain in the near future.

Sincerely, 
Frank Ruggiero Director of Marketing & Communications Grandfather

Mountain Stewardship Foundation


It's a shame, because I really look forward to seeing some of y'all when I get 
there (actually, I look forward to seeing ALL y'all, but only some of you come 
to the Grandfather Mountain NPW).


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How Polaroid Pioneered the Instant Photography Revolution

[John]

https://petapixel.com/2020/01/23/how-polaroid-pioneered-the-instant-photography-revolution/


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Re: OT: Conversations on Conflict Photography

[Bob Pdml]

Can't get to the talk, but the book looks interesting, thanks, particularly as 
it also covers humanitarian and aid work, which is quite rarely discussed in 
photography.


> On 2 Oct 2019, at 15:43, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> This is a program by the NY Times in NYC on Nov 5
> 
> Conversations on
> Conflict Photography
> 
> Across a wide range of battlegrounds worldwide, conflict photographers face
> daunting perils to capture indelible images. From dodging gunfire to facing
> psychological and cyber dangers, these journalists are steadfast in
> bringing you the truth. At a moment when legitimate journalism is
> repeatedly attacked by leaders around the globe, acknowledging the import
> of this work is crucial.
> 
> Learn about their experiences at this discussion moderated by Craig Allen,
> an international photo editor at The New York Times. The speakers include
> an award-winning New York Times photographer; Bangladeshi photographer and
> activist Shahidul Alam, who was jailed after criticizing the Bangladeshi
> government and its abusive treatment of student protestors, and whose work
> will be exhibited at the Rubin Museum of Art; and Lauren Walsh, a professor
> at The New School, whose new book, “Conversations on Conflict Photography,”
> focuses on coverage of war and humanitarian crises.
> 
> GET TICKETS
> 
> Date   Tuesday, November 5
> 
> Time   7–8:15 p.m.
> 
> Venue  The Auditorium  Alvin Johnson/J.M. Kaplan Hall
> The New School
> 66 West 12th Street
> New York City
> 
> Tickets
> $20 general admission
> $15 for All Access Plus and Home Delivery subscribers
> 
> Dan Matyola
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OT: Conversations on Conflict Photography

[Daniel J. Matyola]

This is a program by the NY Times in NYC on Nov 5

Conversations on
Conflict Photography

Across a wide range of battlegrounds worldwide, conflict photographers face
daunting perils to capture indelible images. From dodging gunfire to facing
psychological and cyber dangers, these journalists are steadfast in
bringing you the truth. At a moment when legitimate journalism is
repeatedly attacked by leaders around the globe, acknowledging the import
of this work is crucial.

Learn about their experiences at this discussion moderated by Craig Allen,
an international photo editor at The New York Times. The speakers include
an award-winning New York Times photographer; Bangladeshi photographer and
activist Shahidul Alam, who was jailed after criticizing the Bangladeshi
government and its abusive treatment of student protestors, and whose work
will be exhibited at the Rubin Museum of Art; and Lauren Walsh, a professor
at The New School, whose new book, “Conversations on Conflict Photography,”
focuses on coverage of war and humanitarian crises.

GET TICKETS

Date   Tuesday, November 5

Time   7–8:15 p.m.

Venue  The Auditorium  Alvin Johnson/J.M. Kaplan Hall
 The New School
66 West 12th Street
New York City

Tickets
$20 general admission
$15 for All Access Plus and Home Delivery subscribers

Dan Matyola
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<https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery>*
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