Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
Thanks!!! Some light falloff, not so extreme and could be accepted to the kind of situation I'll be possibly facing - the need to use exactly the same "longish" lens with digital and film cameras, regardless of the FOV variation. Some test still ahead, but that's good ;-) LF Margus Männik escreveu: So, here's the shot - Z-1p, DA*60-250 at 60mm, f/4, AGFA Vista 200. Scanned with Minolta ScanDual IV at 3200dpi, no tonal corrections, sharpening or other tricks. 50% size. http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10450739&size=o&album_id=148643 BR, Margus Luiz Felipe wrote: I was keeping myself controlled until you said how easily the Z1p would focus with the DA*... would you one of these days shoot film with it?? And tell about the frame coverage??? Really interesting lens, indeed... LF Margus Männik escreveu: Well, today I can laugh :) Loud:))) Decided to defy all those viruses and bacilluses and went out to shoot. DA*60-250 is SUPER. Yes, naturally it's quite heavy and large for my weak body (and I hate its price tag), but it paints pictures like some long-focus-rembrandt. Sharp focus right from wide open, nice bokeh. And by the way - yes, it is 100% usable with AF film body. Even 101% as my Z-1p focuses automatically with 2x Kenko TC. Slowly, but firmly. Damned K20D don't even try with TC attached :( Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) shot at f/5.6. I was going to shoot a church tower in background and she simply walked into the frame... http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about Pentax (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and thousands of crappy pictures will be our own fault. BR, Margus Jack Davis wrote: LoL.. J -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 10:15:28PM +0300, Margus Männik scripsit: > Hi, > > You know, there's no infinity ;)... But everything that rises must converge. :) > but this one should be as infinite as it can get > http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10451261&size=o&album_id=148643: Thank you! 15:52 camera % exiftool 60-...@250andinfinity.jpg| grep -i length Focal Length: 250.0 mm SR Focal Length : 244 mm Focal Length In 35mm Format : 375 mm Focal Length: 250.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 375.0 mm) So it looks like it gets within 6mm of 250 if the subject is far enough away. The rendering of that particular subject's not bad at all. I do wonder about the optical design; the nominally 200mm shot of the tomato basket posted by Richard Day (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=31709520) shows a SR focal length of 148mm. For a trombone lens that seems peculiar. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi, You know, there's no infinity ;)... but this one should be as infinite as it can get http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10451261&size=o&album_id=148643: BR, Margus Graydon wrote: I don't suppose you'd be willing to take a 60-250 shot focused on infinity? :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So, here's the shot - Z-1p, DA*60-250 at 60mm, f/4, AGFA Vista 200. Scanned with Minolta ScanDual IV at 3200dpi, no tonal corrections, sharpening or other tricks. 50% size. http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10450739&size=o&album_id=148643 BR, Margus Luiz Felipe wrote: I was keeping myself controlled until you said how easily the Z1p would focus with the DA*... would you one of these days shoot film with it?? And tell about the frame coverage??? Really interesting lens, indeed... LF Margus Männik escreveu: Well, today I can laugh :) Loud:))) Decided to defy all those viruses and bacilluses and went out to shoot. DA*60-250 is SUPER. Yes, naturally it's quite heavy and large for my weak body (and I hate its price tag), but it paints pictures like some long-focus-rembrandt. Sharp focus right from wide open, nice bokeh. And by the way - yes, it is 100% usable with AF film body. Even 101% as my Z-1p focuses automatically with 2x Kenko TC. Slowly, but firmly. Damned K20D don't even try with TC attached :( Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) shot at f/5.6. I was going to shoot a church tower in background and she simply walked into the frame... http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about Pentax (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and thousands of crappy pictures will be our own fault. BR, Margus Jack Davis wrote: LoL.. J -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 07:38:35AM -0400, David J Brooks scripsit: > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Graydon wrote: > > And if I had a canoe I might very well try the mobile blind approach. > > > > But I don't, so standing on shore it is. :) > > I have a 10'3" Zodiac for sale.:-) I _have_ tried to paddle a Zodiac before. The thought of doing so while said Zodiac is covered in a blind fills my soul with horror. -- Graydon, who figures you need to find somebody who wants a dinghy for their yacht... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Graydon wrote: > And if I had a canoe I might very well try the mobile blind approach. > > But I don't, so standing on shore it is. :) I have a 10'3" Zodiac for sale.:-) Dave > > -- Graydon > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 07:37:14PM +0300, Margus Männik scripsit: > Absolutely, and sometimes there is simply nowhere to climb. I have > 300, 500 and 1000mm (soviet) reflex lenses in my old cameras and > lenses collection. I've had an opportunity to try Sony 300/2.8, Nikkor > 500/4, Canon 600/4 IS... sorry, but not my kind of lenses. I think > twice before I take DA*300/4 with me, but compared to those it's > lightweight. So, I still have to get closer... Nothing at all wrong with getting closer. I wouldn't want to wander around in a ghillie blanket locally, but that strikes me as a perfectly legitimate approach to nature photography. And if I had a canoe I might very well try the mobile blind approach. But I don't, so standing on shore it is. :) -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 01:52:36PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: [snip -- what's going on with the EXIF "SR focal length" value?] > Shake reduction has to be based solely on image magnification, > which in turn is directly related to actual focal length. > > I can see two explanations: > > The first number is the 'focal length' set on the lens, > and the second number is the true focal length in use > (calculated from set focal length, focussing distance, > and known properties of the lens). That would be my expectation. [snip] > There's a fairly easy way to check the first hypothesis; > mount the lens on the camera, set it to 300mm focal length, > and see if the image size (or field of view) in the finder > changes as you shift the focussing. With a change of over > 15% it should be readily visible. Finding some overlapping-on-this-angle-of-view tree branches at various distances gives very visible field-of-view changes in the finder as the focus is moved from the near branch to the further branches. Going from infinity down to the minimum focusing distance with the manual focus ring with the lens set at 300mm, I get, stepping the focus ring down through the feet markings (∞, 30, 15, 10, 7, 5.5, 4.6): smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm292 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm284 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm268 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm260 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm260 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm252 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm252 mm Note that the 292 is with manual focus and the focus ring turned as far as it would go toward infinity; the DA 55-300 doesn't quite get to 300. Going UP from the minimum to infinity on the metric focusing ring (1.4, 1.6, 2, 3, 5, 10, ∞) with the manual focus ring with the lens set at 55mm, I get: smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED55.0 mm64 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED55.0 mm64 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED55.0 mm63 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED55.0 mm62 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED55.0 mm60 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED55.0 mm58 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED55.0 mm56 mm So it looks like depending on distance to the subject the actual focal length varies by 40mm in the DA 55-300 at 300, and by 8mm at 55. Margus' DA* 60-250 pic showed 196mm as the actual distance to that implausibly pretty random tourist with the lens set at 250mm. I'd be very curious what the closest-focus-to-infinity change was; 250-196 = 54mm, which is considerably larger than the 40mm difference for the DA 55-300 at 300mm. It makes me wonder how close the 60-250 gets to 250. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I don't know what EXIF-viewer do you use, but here is the > > screenshot > > > > from Pentax Photo Browser: > > > > http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10410167&size=o&album > > > > _id=148643 > > > > > > > > BR, Margus > > > > > > I see there's a value for Color Temperature, but where does > > it show the > > > figure for Babe Temperature? > > > > It's academic. They are always sub-zero. At least, when I > > try to measure them. > > > > You must be putting your thermometer in the wrong place. That explains the noise. Unless it was my ears ringing after I asked them to rub together to warm up. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 09:45:34PM -0600, William Robb scripsit: > From: "Graydon" -- Graydon, who figures 800mm is pretty short, most of > the time > > 800 is on the short end of the you can never have too long a lens > club. I have the 600 f/5.6 and in a way it's a little frustrating > because it is long enough to be really needy of good technique and a > solid tripod, but not long enough for the birds around here a lot of > the time. I need to get out with it more though. Sometimes the bird is just too darn far away. One of the things I really like about the mirror lenses is the (lack of) mass; I can hand-hold the 800. I don't do much better than 20% usable, that way, but it makes a number of opportunistic shots possible. As the high ISO sensor performance improves, I think the f8 and f10 solutions for very long lenses will get much more usable than they used to be, too. I don't know if this will carry over into someone electing to make really long and relatively slow refractor lenses or not. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> > > Hi, > > > > > > I don't know what EXIF-viewer do you use, but here is the > screenshot > > > from Pentax Photo Browser: > > > http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10410167&size=o&album > > > _id=148643 > > > > > > BR, Margus > > > > I see there's a value for Color Temperature, but where does > it show the > > figure for Babe Temperature? > > It's academic. They are always sub-zero. At least, when I > try to measure them. > You must be putting your thermometer in the wrong place. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> 2009/4/30 Graydon : > > Small passerines have opinions that way. They want to be > at the top of > > the tree. > > hehe... > > Well then you have a choice. Get a larger lens, or a smaller tree. :-) > or a stuffed sparrow. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 09:03:47AM -0400, Graydon wrote: > > Rather than include all of the *many* focal length and SR focal length > combinations for the 55-300, I'll just note: > > Lens Focal LengthSR Focal Length > smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm252 mm > smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm260 mm > smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm268 mm > smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm276 mm > smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm284 mm > smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm292 mm > > Shake reduction more or less has to be doing something based on a > detected property of the image, presumably the actual distance to the > subject (meaning the thing the camera has a focus lock on), rather than > purely the set focal length of the lens. Shake reduction has to be based solely on image magnification, which in turn is directly related to actual focal length. I can see two explanations: The first number is the 'focal length' set on the lens, and the second number is the true focal length in use (calculated from set focal length, focussing distance, and known properties of the lens). The second number isn't really "SR Focal Length" - it's something quite close to that, so the ExifTool author called it that. As I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a deal with Pentax to get the RAW specs, all the values are reverse-engineered, and are best-guess descriptions. (I know that was the case for the running exposure count, because I'm the person who reverse-engineered that one). There's a fairly easy way to check the first hypothesis; mount the lens on the camera, set it to 300mm focal length, and see if the image size (or field of view) in the finder changes as you shift the focussing. With a change of over 15% it should be readily visible. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Luiz Felipe, as a matter of fact, I already did that. However, it will take some time for me to shoot the film to the end (5 or 6 more frames), carry it to lab and scan the results. BR, Margus Luiz Felipe wrote: I was keeping myself controlled until you said how easily the Z1p would focus with the DA*... would you one of these days shoot film with it?? And tell about the frame coverage??? Really interesting lens, indeed... LF Margus Männik escreveu: Well, today I can laugh :) Loud:))) Decided to defy all those viruses and bacilluses and went out to shoot. DA*60-250 is SUPER. Yes, naturally it's quite heavy and large for my weak body (and I hate its price tag), but it paints pictures like some long-focus-rembrandt. Sharp focus right from wide open, nice bokeh. And by the way - yes, it is 100% usable with AF film body. Even 101% as my Z-1p focuses automatically with 2x Kenko TC. Slowly, but firmly. Damned K20D don't even try with TC attached :( Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) shot at f/5.6. I was going to shoot a church tower in background and she simply walked into the frame... http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about Pentax (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and thousands of crappy pictures will be our own fault. BR, Margus Jack Davis wrote: LoL.. J -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Absolutely, and sometimes there is simply nowhere to climb. I have 300, 500 and 1000mm (soviet) reflex lenses in my old cameras and lenses collection. I've had an opportunity to try Sony 300/2.8, Nikkor 500/4, Canon 600/4 IS... sorry, but not my kind of lenses. I think twice before I take DA*300/4 with me, but compared to those it's lightweight. So, I still have to get closer... BR, Margus Graydon wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:43:32AM +0300, Margus Männik scripsit: Well, of course it depends on what you are going to use the lens. OTOH, one of the best Estonian bird and animal photogs answered the question about how much he needs extreme focal lengths very simply - No, I don't need 600 or 800mm, it's heavy to carry and animals are afraid of such a large "eye" - I'm just learning to get closer. Great for some things. No matter what I do, though, if I start climbing the tree, the warbler will fly away. -- Graydon, who is rather too large to consider climbing some of those trees in any case -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I was keeping myself controlled until you said how easily the Z1p would focus with the DA*... would you one of these days shoot film with it?? And tell about the frame coverage??? Really interesting lens, indeed... LF Margus Männik escreveu: Well, today I can laugh :) Loud:))) Decided to defy all those viruses and bacilluses and went out to shoot. DA*60-250 is SUPER. Yes, naturally it's quite heavy and large for my weak body (and I hate its price tag), but it paints pictures like some long-focus-rembrandt. Sharp focus right from wide open, nice bokeh. And by the way - yes, it is 100% usable with AF film body. Even 101% as my Z-1p focuses automatically with 2x Kenko TC. Slowly, but firmly. Damned K20D don't even try with TC attached :( Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) shot at f/5.6. I was going to shoot a church tower in background and she simply walked into the frame... http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about Pentax (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and thousands of crappy pictures will be our own fault. BR, Margus Jack Davis wrote: LoL.. J -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:56:55AM -0400, David J Brooks scripsit: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Graydon wrote: > >> If 800 mm is pretty short most of the time, then you spend most of the > >> time too far away from your motifs, sir. > > > > Small passerines have opinions that way. They want to be at the top of > > the tree. > > Two words. > > Chainsaw. Three words - Her Majesty's Servants. Taking a chainsaw to the black oak in High Park will get at least six kinds of them mad at me, at least two of said kinds armed. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 05:48:36PM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit: > 2009/4/30 Graydon : > > Small passerines have opinions that way. They want to be at the top of > > the tree. > > hehe... > > Well then you have a choice. Get a larger lens, or a smaller tree. :-) Yup. And shortening the tree leads to all sorts of very angry employees of various park-maintaining organizations. :) -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots Two words. Chainsaw. Someone call the language police William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Graydon wrote: >> If 800 mm is pretty short most of the time, then you spend most of the >> time too far away from your motifs, sir. > > Small passerines have opinions that way. They want to be at the top of > the tree. Two words. Chainsaw. Dave > > -- Graydon > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/4/30 Graydon : > Small passerines have opinions that way. They want to be at the top of > the tree. hehe... Well then you have a choice. Get a larger lens, or a smaller tree. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think the camera body knows something about the focal distance in use, especially when using flash... On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Graydon wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 08:33:19AM -0500, Bob Sullivan scripsit: >> Graydon, >> I've never seen shake reduction focal length before. > > There's a *lot* of stuff in the EXIF that doesn't seem to get looked at, > normally. There's something north of a thousand things that *can* go in > there, though the K20D only seems to use 200 or so. (203 in my DNG > exifs, anyway.) > >> The variation with the DA 35mm macro makes me wonder. >> Is it trying to figure actual length of the lens from focal distance used? > > That would be my guess. > >> Macros can change a lot depending on focal distance. >> This would change the actual length of the lens for shake. > > Yup. > > Which brings up "how can it tell?" > > -- Graydon > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 08:33:19AM -0500, Bob Sullivan scripsit: > Graydon, > I've never seen shake reduction focal length before. There's a *lot* of stuff in the EXIF that doesn't seem to get looked at, normally. There's something north of a thousand things that *can* go in there, though the K20D only seems to use 200 or so. (203 in my DNG exifs, anyway.) > The variation with the DA 35mm macro makes me wonder. > Is it trying to figure actual length of the lens from focal distance used? That would be my guess. > Macros can change a lot depending on focal distance. > This would change the actual length of the lens for shake. Yup. Which brings up "how can it tell?" -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I don't know what EXIF-viewer do you use, but here is the screenshot > > from Pentax Photo Browser: > > http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10410167&size=o&album > > _id=148643 > > > > BR, Margus > > I see there's a value for Color Temperature, but where does it show the > figure for Babe Temperature? It's academic. They are always sub-zero. At least, when I try to measure them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon, I've never seen shake reduction focal length before. The variation with the DA 35mm macro makes me wonder. Is it trying to figure actual length of the lens from focal distance used? Macros can change a lot depending on focal distance. This would change the actual length of the lens for shake. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Graydon wrote: > The DA 35 Ltd, on the other hand, was a surprise: > > Lens Focal Length SR Focal Length > smc PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited 35.0 mm 34 mm > smc PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited 35.0 mm 35 mm > smc PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited 35.0 mm 37 mm > smc PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited 35.0 mm 41 mm > smc PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited 35.0 mm 46 mm > > Shake reduction focal length appears to be interactive in some way > depending on *something*, I'd assume how far the front element has > moved. (This lends credence to the view that it's really a small zoom. > :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon wrote: So if I run exiftool on a downloaded copy of your lovely sample JPEG, I get: 8:40 K-7 % exiftool -FocalLength -SRFocalLength 60-250.jpg Focal Length: 250.0 mm SR Focal Length : 196 mm It's quite clear you had the 60-250 all the way out at 250mm; "Focal Length" is 250mm. The "SR Focal Length" isn't; it comes out at 196mm. My immediate question was "that seems odd; does anyone know why it's like that?". Best guess: Someone at Pentax has worked out that Shake Reduction for this particular lens at 250mm functions best if its algorithms assume a focal length of 196mm rather than the true focal length. This may even be empirically derived - who knows. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:57:23PM -0500, Bob Sullivan scripsit: > Graydon, > My zooms report the actual focal length in use when the shutter snaps. > If you crank the FA70-200 to 142mm, the EXIF data says 142mm, not 200. Hi Bob -- Focal Length, yes. The EXIF data also has the _SR Focal Length_ in it, and it varies, and that's what I'm curious about. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:35:15AM +0300, Margus Männik scripsit: > Hi, Hi! > I don't know what EXIF-viewer do you use, but here is the screenshot > from Pentax Photo Browser: > http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10410167&size=o&album_id=148643 I'm using exiftool. It has the interesting property of listing all of the EXIF information, rather than the plausibly interesting or useful exif information. (Although I can see a use for camera temperature.) So one can get both "Focal Length" and "Shake Reduction Focal Length". So if I run exiftool on a downloaded copy of your lovely sample JPEG, I get: 8:40 K-7 % exiftool -FocalLength -SRFocalLength 60-250.jpg Focal Length: 250.0 mm SR Focal Length : 196 mm It's quite clear you had the 60-250 all the way out at 250mm; "Focal Length" is 250mm. The "SR Focal Length" isn't; it comes out at 196mm. My immediate question was "that seems odd; does anyone know why it's like that?". If I chew through 2009's photos on my hard drive: 8:35 2009 % exiftool -T -LensID -FocalLength -SRFocalLength */*/*dng > list (Get the Lens ID, the Focal Length, and the Shake Reduction Focal Length from each of the dng files below the current (2009) directory, get this information in Table format, and stuff that in a file called "list".) Then sort the list, removing duplicates: 8:40 2009 % sort -u list > sorted_list This gives me a list of Lens, Focal Length, Shake Reducation Focal Length, separated by tabs. Since tabs are doubtful creatures in email, I've replaced all the tabs with 8 spaces and cleaned up the columns a bit. I find: Lens Focal LengthSR Focal Length smc PENTAX-DA 14mm F2.8 ED[IF]14.0 mm14 mm smc PENTAX-FA 31mm F1.8AL Limited 31.0 mm32 mm smc PENTAX-FA 50mm F1.4 50.0 mm52 mm smc PENTAX-FA 77mm F1.8 Limited 77.0 mm77 mm smc PENTAX-FA MACRO 100mm F2.8 100.0 mm 100 mm Which is what I'd expect; though the mirror lenses, where I have to manually input the focal length, are interesting: M-42 or No Lens500.0 mm500 mm M-42 or No Lens800.0 mm804 mm The 800mm Rokinon comes out at 804mm in SR, for no reason I can plausibly suggest. The DA 35 Ltd, on the other hand, was a surprise: Lens Focal LengthSR Focal Length smc PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited35.0 mm34 mm smc PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited35.0 mm35 mm smc PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited35.0 mm37 mm smc PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited35.0 mm41 mm smc PENTAX-DA 35mm F2.8 Macro Limited35.0 mm46 mm Shake reduction focal length appears to be interactive in some way depending on *something*, I'd assume how far the front element has moved. (This lends credence to the view that it's really a small zoom. :) Rather than include all of the *many* focal length and SR focal length combinations for the 55-300, I'll just note: Lens Focal LengthSR Focal Length smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm252 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm260 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm268 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm276 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm284 mm smc PENTAX-DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED300.0 mm292 mm Shake reduction more or less has to be doing something based on a detected property of the image, presumably the actual distance to the subject (meaning the thing the camera has a focus lock on), rather than purely the set focal length of the lens. I was initially curious about what the different numbers implied about the optical design of the 60-250; I'm now (having extracted all those numbers) finding myself curious about how shake reduction actually works. This does provide an explanation for how improving shake reduction (which is what Pentax said the 1.03 firmware for the K20D did) could improve auto-focus performance, if the Shake Reduction has to decide what SR Focal Length is *first*, and then autofocus has to try for a lock. I don't suppose you'd be willing to take a 60-250 shot focused on infinity? :) -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 01:53:12PM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit: > 2009/4/30 Graydon : > > 250mm is long? That's not reliably enough even for feeder birds. > > > > The 60-250 struck me when I heard about it as a good zoo lens, but it > > isn't what I'd even start to call long. > > > > -- Graydon, who figures 800mm is pretty short, most of the time > > If 800 mm is pretty short most of the time, then you spend most of the > time too far away from your motifs, sir. Small passerines have opinions that way. They want to be at the top of the tree. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:43:32AM +0300, Margus Männik scripsit: > Well, of course it depends on what you are going to use the lens. > OTOH, one of the best Estonian bird and animal photogs answered the > question about how much he needs extreme focal lengths very simply - > No, I don't need 600 or 800mm, it's heavy to carry and animals are > afraid of such a large "eye" - I'm just learning to get closer. Great for some things. No matter what I do, though, if I start climbing the tree, the warbler will fly away. -- Graydon, who is rather too large to consider climbing some of those trees in any case -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For me, with FF 28-85 is normal, so under 28 is short and over 85 is long. With aps digital, change the numbers to <18 as short and >55 as long. Now if your talking long TELE, it would be over 200 for FF or over 135 for APS. YMMV, JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) "Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom" - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of AlunFoto Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:53 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots 2009/4/30 Graydon : > > 250mm is long? That's not reliably enough even for feeder birds. > > The 60-250 struck me when I heard about it as a good zoo lens, but it > isn't what I'd even start to call long. > > -- Graydon, who figures 800mm is pretty short, most of the time If 800 mm is pretty short most of the time, then you spend most of the time too far away from your motifs, sir. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/4/30 Graydon : > > 250mm is long? That's not reliably enough even for feeder birds. > > The 60-250 struck me when I heard about it as a good zoo lens, but it > isn't what I'd even start to call long. > > -- Graydon, who figures 800mm is pretty short, most of the time If 800 mm is pretty short most of the time, then you spend most of the time too far away from your motifs, sir. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Margus Männik wrote: http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) Looks a little soft in the corners... ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, of course it depends on what you are going to use the lens. OTOH, one of the best Estonian bird and animal photogs answered the question about how much he needs extreme focal lengths very simply - No, I don't need 600 or 800mm, it's heavy to carry and animals are afraid of such a large "eye" - I'm just learning to get closer. BR, Margus Graydon wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:06:34AM +0300, Margus Männik scripsit: So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about Pentax (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and thousands of crappy pictures will be our own fault. 250mm is long? That's not reliably enough even for feeder birds. The 60-250 struck me when I heard about it as a good zoo lens, but it isn't what I'd even start to call long. -- Graydon, who figures 800mm is pretty short, most of the time -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> > Hi, > > I don't know what EXIF-viewer do you use, but here is the screenshot > from Pentax Photo Browser: > http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10410167&size=o&album > _id=148643 > > BR, Margus I see there's a value for Color Temperature, but where does it show the figure for Babe Temperature? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi, I don't know what EXIF-viewer do you use, but here is the screenshot from Pentax Photo Browser: http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10410167&size=o&album_id=148643 BR, Margus Graydon wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 03:13:39PM -0600, William Robb scripsit: From: "Margus M?nnik" Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) shot at f/5.6. I was going to shoot a church tower in background and she simply walked into the frame... http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about Pentax (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and thousands of crappy pictures will be our own fault. Damn. This kind of things might make me change my plans It's a gorgeous picture, but I do wonder about a couple bits of the EXIF, particularly SR Result : Stabilized Shake Reduction : Unknown (15) SR Half Press Time : 4.25 s or longer SR Focal Length : 196 mm That would seem to indicate that SR was on, that the lens is unknown to the firmware, and that the actual focal length is less than 200mm despite the lens being set at 250mm. (Which I understand is a plausible result of distance-to-subject in some designs.) I would be curious as to anyone else's interpretation of that EXIF information. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:03:38PM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: > Graydon wrote: > >> 250mm is long? That's not reliably enough even for feeder birds. >> [...] >> -- Graydon, who figures 800mm is pretty short, most of the time > > I'm with you. I find my (Sigma) 400 limiting sometimes, even with the > "digital crop factor". I'd love to have the Pentax FA* 600, but they're > hard to find and harder to afford. :-) One nice thing about the 60-250 is how well it pairs with the 250-600 :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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IF, the camera's firmware did not recognize the lens, it would ask for a focal length to be put in for SR recognition. IF the user put in 250mm, that would be the focal length reported by the EXIF. The lens, however, might have reported a focal length of 196 mm when the shot was taken, if that was what it was zoomed to. Only explanation I have. On Apr 29, 2009, at 20:57 , Bob Sullivan wrote: Graydon, My zooms report the actual focal length in use when the shutter snaps. If you crank the FA70-200 to 142mm, the EXIF data says 142mm, not 200. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Graydon wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:38:27PM -0500, Bob Sullivan scripsit: Graydon, Couldn't that be the 60-250mm set at 196mm? It could be, but that's not what the EXIF says: Focal Length: 250.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 375.0 mm) Hyperfocal Distance : 557.18 m Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon, My zooms report the actual focal length in use when the shutter snaps. If you crank the FA70-200 to 142mm, the EXIF data says 142mm, not 200. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Graydon wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:38:27PM -0500, Bob Sullivan scripsit: >> Graydon, >> Couldn't that be the 60-250mm set at 196mm? > > It could be, but that's not what the EXIF says: > > Focal Length : 250.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 375.0 mm) > Hyperfocal Distance : 557.18 m > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Graydon" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:03:38PM -0400, Doug Franklin scripsit: Graydon wrote: 250mm is long? That's not reliably enough even for feeder birds. [...] -- Graydon, who figures 800mm is pretty short, most of the time I'm with you. I find my (Sigma) 400 limiting sometimes, even with the "digital crop factor". I'd love to have the Pentax FA* 600, but they're hard to find and harder to afford. :-) And reported to be something of a challenge to carry! No question about that. Without a good backpack to carry one, it becomes a very stationary lense. I would about kill for a 800/8 mirror lens with the current generation SMC coatings. Don't think there's any hope of Pentax going there, alas, but one can dream. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:38:27PM -0500, Bob Sullivan scripsit: > Graydon, > Couldn't that be the 60-250mm set at 196mm? It could be, but that's not what the EXIF says: Focal Length: 250.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 375.0 mm) Hyperfocal Distance : 557.18 m > As for needing something longer for birds, > I learned with film that I couldn't afford it. > Mirror lenses have those annoying rings, and Well, yes, but sometimes that's a good thing: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/gHWNE6NG773wSkon9nD5PQ?feat=directlink and sometimes -- most of the time, it seems, with birds -- it just doesn't matter: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/-Nt9Mn_GSoCyK_TLEP22VA?feat=directlink Mirror lenses also have that initially-infuriating but often very useful paper-thin focal plane, that allows focusing through the vegetation. > anything bigger/faster than A400/5.6 is $. Yup. > For birds, you need to set-up in a hide. > My current alligator farm photos used A300mm f4, > A300mm with a AF1.7, or a AF70-200/2.8. > The situation was very favorable, but that's what you need. If it's possible to set up in a hide, certainly. Most of the places accessible to me don't allow that as an option. Even with the 10 foot distance available when lurking behind the bookshelves and taking pictures of the goldfinches at the feeder on the balcony, 300mm is not a lot for songbirds. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Graydon" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots 250mm is long? That's not reliably enough even for feeder birds. The 60-250 struck me when I heard about it as a good zoo lens, but it isn't what I'd even start to call long. -- Graydon, who figures 800mm is pretty short, most of the time 800 is on the short end of the you can never have too long a lens club. I have the 600 f/5.6 and in a way it's a little frustrating because it is long enough to be really needy of good technique and a solid tripod, but not long enough for the birds around here a lot of the time. I need to get out with it more though. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon, Couldn't that be the 60-250mm set at 196mm? As for needing something longer for birds, I learned with film that I couldn't afford it. Mirror lenses have those annoying rings, and anything bigger/faster than A400/5.6 is $. For birds, you need to set-up in a hide. My current alligator farm photos used A300mm f4, A300mm with a AF1.7, or a AF70-200/2.8. The situation was very favorable, but that's what you need. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Graydon wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 03:13:39PM -0600, William Robb scripsit: >> From: "Margus M?nnik" >> > Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) shot at f/5.6. I >> > was going to shoot a church tower in background and she simply >> > walked into the frame... >> > http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 >> > (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) >> > >> > So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about >> > Pentax (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and >> > thousands of crappy pictures will be our own fault. >> >> Damn. This kind of things might make me change my plans > > It's a gorgeous picture, but I do wonder about a couple bits of the > EXIF, particularly > > SR Result : Stabilized > Shake Reduction : Unknown (15) > SR Half Press Time : 4.25 s or longer > SR Focal Length : 196 mm > > That would seem to indicate that SR was on, that the lens is unknown to > the firmware, and that the actual focal length is less than 200mm > despite the lens being set at 250mm. (Which I understand is a plausible > result of distance-to-subject in some designs.) > > I would be curious as to anyone else's interpretation of that EXIF > information. > > -- Graydon > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:03:38PM -0400, Doug Franklin scripsit: > Graydon wrote: >> 250mm is long? That's not reliably enough even for feeder birds. >> [...] -- Graydon, who figures 800mm is pretty short, most of the time > > I'm with you. I find my (Sigma) 400 limiting sometimes, even with the > "digital crop factor". I'd love to have the Pentax FA* 600, but > they're hard to find and harder to afford. :-) And reported to be something of a challenge to carry! I would about kill for a 800/8 mirror lens with the current generation SMC coatings. Don't think there's any hope of Pentax going there, alas, but one can dream. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon wrote: 250mm is long? That's not reliably enough even for feeder birds. [...] -- Graydon, who figures 800mm is pretty short, most of the time I'm with you. I find my (Sigma) 400 limiting sometimes, even with the "digital crop factor". I'd love to have the Pentax FA* 600, but they're hard to find and harder to afford. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 03:13:39PM -0600, William Robb scripsit: > From: "Margus M?nnik" > > Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) shot at f/5.6. I > > was going to shoot a church tower in background and she simply > > walked into the frame... > > http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 > > (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) > > > > So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about > > Pentax (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and > > thousands of crappy pictures will be our own fault. > > Damn. This kind of things might make me change my plans It's a gorgeous picture, but I do wonder about a couple bits of the EXIF, particularly SR Result : Stabilized Shake Reduction : Unknown (15) SR Half Press Time : 4.25 s or longer SR Focal Length : 196 mm That would seem to indicate that SR was on, that the lens is unknown to the firmware, and that the actual focal length is less than 200mm despite the lens being set at 250mm. (Which I understand is a plausible result of distance-to-subject in some designs.) I would be curious as to anyone else's interpretation of that EXIF information. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:06:34AM +0300, Margus Männik scripsit: > So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about > Pentax (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and > thousands of crappy pictures will be our own fault. 250mm is long? That's not reliably enough even for feeder birds. The 60-250 struck me when I heard about it as a good zoo lens, but it isn't what I'd even start to call long. -- Graydon, who figures 800mm is pretty short, most of the time -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "paul stenquist" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots Wow! That's incredibly sharp, and the bokeh is gorgeous. I want one, and I want it NOW! You aren't helping. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My sweaty gym clothes turn them off quite effectively. :-\ Jack --- On Wed, 4/29/09, John Francis wrote: > From: John Francis > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 3:31 PM > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 05:42:40PM -0400, frank theriault > wrote: > > > > And here I thought it was to look at hot babes wearing > skimpy gym togs... > > You have a speciasl outfit to wear when looking at hot > babes? > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Margus Männik wrote: So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about Pentax (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and thousands of crappy pictures will be our own fault. Not for me, bud. At the prices that lens commands, it's doubtful I'll ever have one. I've got too many other expensive hobbies. ;-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/4/29 Margus Männik : > Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) shot at f/5.6. I was going > to shoot a church tower in background and she simply walked into the > frame... > http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 > (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) I have tried 5-6 times to load this photo, but to no avail. :-( Dave > > BR, Margus > > > > Jack Davis wrote: > LoL.. > > J > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wow! That's incredibly sharp, and the bokeh is gorgeous. I want one, and I want it NOW! Paul On Apr 29, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Margus Männik wrote: Well, today I can laugh :) Loud:))) Decided to defy all those viruses and bacilluses and went out to shoot. DA*60-250 is SUPER. Yes, naturally it's quite heavy and large for my weak body (and I hate its price tag), but it paints pictures like some long-focus-rembrandt. Sharp focus right from wide open, nice bokeh. And by the way - yes, it is 100% usable with AF film body. Even 101% as my Z-1p focuses automatically with 2x Kenko TC. Slowly, but firmly. Damned K20D don't even try with TC attached :( Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) shot at f/5.6. I was going to shoot a church tower in background and she simply walked into the frame... http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about Pentax (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and thousands of crappy pictures will be our own fault. BR, Margus Jack Davis wrote: LoL.. J -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 05:42:40PM -0400, frank theriault wrote: > > And here I thought it was to look at hot babes wearing skimpy gym togs... You have a speciasl outfit to wear when looking at hot babes? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thing is, it's the physical therapy gym I went to when recouping from my shoulder surgery. They, also, offer a monthly membership which is what I'm into now. Most of the fragile folk there are under their Doctor's orders and are there in the hope of extending their longevity. (me too) That may include "hot babes", but you hope not to see this group in "skimpy" gym togs. 8-() Jack --- On Wed, 4/29/09, frank theriault wrote: > From: frank theriault > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 2:42 PM > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Jack Davis > wrote: > > > > I going to the gym 2 or 3 days a week, supposidly to > improve my strength and general health. Actually, I'm > getting ready to deal with a hefty 60~250. > > And here I thought it was to look at hot babes wearing > skimpy gym togs... > > ;-) > > cheers, > frank > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri > Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Margus Männik wrote: Well, today I can laugh :) Loud:))) Decided to defy all those viruses and bacilluses and went out to shoot. DA*60-250 is SUPER. Yes, naturally it's quite heavy and large for my weak body (and I hate its price tag), but it paints pictures like some long-focus-rembrandt. Sharp focus right from wide open, nice bokeh. And by the way - yes, it is 100% usable with AF film body. Even 101% as my Z-1p focuses automatically with 2x Kenko TC. Slowly, but firmly. Damned K20D don't even try with TC attached :( Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) shot at f/5.6. I was going to shoot a church tower in background and she simply walked into the frame... http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about Pentax (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and thousands of crappy pictures will be our own fault. BR, Margus Oh my. Beautiful, beautiful Derby -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > > I going to the gym 2 or 3 days a week, supposidly to improve my strength and > general health. Actually, I'm getting ready to deal with a hefty 60~250. And here I thought it was to look at hot babes wearing skimpy gym togs... ;-) cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I going to the gym 2 or 3 days a week, supposidly to improve my strength and general health. Actually, I'm getting ready to deal with a hefty 60~250. Jack --- On Wed, 4/29/09, William Robb wrote: > From: William Robb > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 2:13 PM > - Original Message - > From: "Margus Männik" > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > > > > Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) > shot at f/5.6. I was > > going to shoot a church tower in background and she > simply walked into the > > frame... > > > http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 > > (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) > > > > So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's > nothing to whine about Pentax > > (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those > hundreds and thousands of > > crappy pictures will be our own fault. > > Damn. > This kind of things might make me change my plans > > William Robb > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Random tourist? Yea, right. Bob > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On > Behalf Of Margus Männik > Sent: 29 April 2009 22:07 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > Well, today I can laugh :) Loud:))) > Decided to defy all those viruses and bacilluses and went out > to shoot. > DA*60-250 is SUPER. Yes, naturally it's quite heavy and large for my > weak body (and I hate its price tag), but it paints pictures > like some > long-focus-rembrandt. Sharp focus right from wide open, nice bokeh. > And by the way - yes, it is 100% usable with AF film body. > Even 101% as > my Z-1p focuses automatically with 2x Kenko TC. Slowly, but firmly. > Damned K20D don't even try with TC attached :( > > Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) shot at f/5.6. I was > going to shoot a church tower in background and she simply > walked into > the frame... > http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album > _id=148643 > (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) > > So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine > about Pentax > (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and > thousands > of crappy pictures will be our own fault. > > BR, Margus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Margus Männik" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) shot at f/5.6. I was > going to shoot a church tower in background and she simply walked into the > frame... > http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 > (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) > > So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about Pentax > (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and thousands of > crappy pictures will be our own fault. Damn. This kind of things might make me change my plans William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, today I can laugh :) Loud:))) Decided to defy all those viruses and bacilluses and went out to shoot. DA*60-250 is SUPER. Yes, naturally it's quite heavy and large for my weak body (and I hate its price tag), but it paints pictures like some long-focus-rembrandt. Sharp focus right from wide open, nice bokeh. And by the way - yes, it is 100% usable with AF film body. Even 101% as my Z-1p focuses automatically with 2x Kenko TC. Slowly, but firmly. Damned K20D don't even try with TC attached :( Random tourist (Tallinn Old City is full of 'em) shot at f/5.6. I was going to shoot a church tower in background and she simply walked into the frame... http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=10408771&size=o&album_id=148643 (full size, untouched jpeg from camera) So, boys and girls, we're doomed. There's nothing to whine about Pentax (long zoom) lenses quality any more - all those hundreds and thousands of crappy pictures will be our own fault. BR, Margus Jack Davis wrote: LoL.. J -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > Send $1,500 within the next two weeks. Postal M.O. or Cashiers check. > Thanks for asking, Bill! > Have a nice day. :-) I'm pretty sure I have a Monopoly game around here someplace. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You must be a Catholic. > > No problems, I can deal with it. > > John > > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf > Of Jack Davis [jdavi...@yahoo.com] > Sent: 27 April 2009 22:40 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: RE: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > She was obviously suspicious to begin with. Once you're > caught, it doesn't mater whether your quality or not..you're > forever guilty. Life sentence! > > Jack -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LoL.. J --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Margus Männik wrote: > From: Margus Männik > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 9:55 AM > Not at all, not at all... she should be back within 30 > minutes :) > But that's the good part. The other side of coin says - > 37.8C fever :( > > BR, Margus > > > Jack Davis wrote: > > Oh sure! Be prepared for a l o n g wait. ;) > > > > Jack > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Margus Männik > wrote: > > > > > >> From: Margus Männik > >> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > >> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 9:12 AM > >> Write off... so are the wives... don't you > even dream to > >> get back any invested funds from 'em :) > >> > >> Margus (waiting for the wife getting back with > DA*60-250 > >> from dealer) > >> > >> > >> Jack Davis wrote: > >> > >>> Kitchen reno is an "investment." > Lenses are > >>> > >> a "write off." Be ready! > >> > >>> Jack > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On Tue, 4/28/09, David J Brooks > >>> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>> From: David J Brooks > > >>>> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test > shots > >>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > >>>> > >> > >> > >>>> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 6:38 AM > >>>> I'm still in mid reno of the kitchen. > >>>> > >>>> That could explan a lot then.:-) > >>>> > >>>> Dave > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Jack > Davis > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Much of the renovation has been done, > but now > >>>>> > >> she > >> > >>>>> > >>>> doesn't like the color and look of our > >>>> > >> wall-ovens and > >> > >>>> refrigerator. Ceiling re-design and > lighting have, > >>>> > >> also, > >> > >>>> been mentioned. > >>>> > >>>>> I'm beginning to think it's a > good > >>>>> > >> thing we > >> > >>>>> > >>>> have a joint account. :-/ > >>>> > >>>>> Jack > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Paul Sorenson > >>>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> From: Paul Sorenson > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Interesting DA > 60-250mm test > >>>>>> > >> shots > >> > >>>>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail > List" > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:05 > PM > >>>>>> You'll have to get several new > toys to > >>>>>> > >> be even > >> > >>>>>> > >>>> with a > >>>> > >>>>>> kitchen renovation...start a list! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -p > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jack Davis wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Guess I'll just have to > charm her. > >>>>>>> > >> If > >> > >>>>>>> > >>>> that > >>>> > >>>>>> doesn't still work, she's > been > >>>>>> > >> talking > >> > >>>>>> > >>>> about a > >
Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
Send $1,500 within the next two weeks. Postal M.O. or Cashiers check. Thanks for asking, Bill! Have a nice day. :-) Jack --- On Tue, 4/28/09, William Robb wrote: > From: William Robb > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 9:35 AM > - Original Message - > From: "Jack Davis" > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > > > > > OK, I'll try that. Thanks! > > > > Anything else I can do to help, don't be afraid to > ask.. > > William Robb > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not at all, not at all... she should be back within 30 minutes :)
But that's the good part. The other side of coin says - 37.8C fever :(
BR, Margus
Jack Davis wrote:
Oh sure! Be prepared for a l o n g wait. ;)
Jack
--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Margus Männik wrote:
From: Margus Männik
Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 9:12 AM
Write off... so are the wives... don't you even dream to
get back any
invested funds from 'em :)
Margus (waiting for the wife getting back with DA*60-250
from dealer)
Jack Davis wrote:
Kitchen reno is an "investment." Lenses are
a "write off." Be ready!
Jack
--- On Tue, 4/28/09, David J Brooks
wrote:
From: David J Brooks
Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 6:38 AM
I'm still in mid reno of the kitchen.
That could explan a lot then.:-)
Dave
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Jack Davis
wrote:
Much of the renovation has been done, but now
she
doesn't like the color and look of our
wall-ovens and
refrigerator. Ceiling re-design and lighting have,
also,
been mentioned.
I'm beginning to think it's a good
thing we
have a joint account. :-/
Jack
--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Paul Sorenson
wrote:
From: Paul Sorenson
Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test
shots
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:05 PM
You'll have to get several new toys to
be even
with a
kitchen renovation...start a list!
-p
Jack Davis wrote:
Guess I'll just have to charm her.
If
that
doesn't still work, she's been
talking
about a
further kitchen renovation...so I see some
possibilities.
Jack
--- On Mon, 4/27/09, William Robb
wrote:
From: William Robb
Subject: Re: Interesting DA
60-250mm test
shots
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail
List"
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 8:13
AM
- Original Message ----- From:
"Jack
Davis"
Subject: Re: Interesting DA
60-250mm test
shots
My wife closely scrutinizes
our
"JOINT" bank
account. I know, I have no
idea at this point how that
happened.
;(
While auditing, she wears a
green
plastic eye
shade
and to hold her
sleeves up, elastic arm bands.
You're doomed, you realize.
Rule one, is don't let them
have a
joint
account.
William Robb
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Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
- Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > OK, I'll try that. Thanks! > Anything else I can do to help, don't be afraid to ask.. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh sure! Be prepared for a l o n g wait. ;) Jack --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Margus Männik wrote: > From: Margus Männik > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 9:12 AM > Write off... so are the wives... don't you even dream to > get back any > invested funds from 'em :) > > Margus (waiting for the wife getting back with DA*60-250 > from dealer) > > > Jack Davis wrote: > > Kitchen reno is an "investment." Lenses are > a "write off." Be ready! > > > > Jack > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, David J Brooks > wrote: > > > > > >> From: David J Brooks > >> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > >> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 6:38 AM > >> I'm still in mid reno of the kitchen. > >> > >> That could explan a lot then.:-) > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Jack Davis > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Much of the renovation has been done, but now > she > >>> > >> doesn't like the color and look of our > wall-ovens and > >> refrigerator. Ceiling re-design and lighting have, > also, > >> been mentioned. > >> > >>> I'm beginning to think it's a good > thing we > >>> > >> have a joint account. :-/ > >> > >>> Jack > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Paul Sorenson > >>> > >> wrote: > >> > >>>> From: Paul Sorenson > >>>> > >> > >> > >>>> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test > shots > >>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > >>>> > >> > >> > >>>> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:05 PM > >>>> You'll have to get several new toys to > be even > >>>> > >> with a > >> > >>>> kitchen renovation...start a list! > >>>> > >>>> -p > >>>> > >>>> Jack Davis wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Guess I'll just have to charm her. > If > >>>>> > >> that > >> > >>>> doesn't still work, she's been > talking > >>>> > >> about a > >> > >>>> further kitchen renovation...so I see some > >>>> > >> possibilities. > >> > >>>>> Jack > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- On Mon, 4/27/09, William Robb > >>>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> From: William Robb > >>>>>> > >> > >> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Interesting DA > 60-250mm test > >>>>>> > >> shots > >> > >>>>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail > List" > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 8:13 > AM > >>>>>> - Original Message - From: > >>>>>> > >> "Jack > >> > >>>> Davis" > >>>> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Interesting DA > 60-250mm test > >>>>>> > >> shots > >> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> My wife closely scrutinizes > our > >>>>>>> > >>>> "JOINT" bank > >>>> > >>>>>> account. I know, I have no > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> idea at this point how that > happened. > >>>>>>> > >> ;( > >> > >>>>>>> While auditing, she wears a > green > >>>>>>> > >> plastic eye > >> > >>>> shade > >>>> > >>>>>> and to hold her > >>>>>> &
Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
Write off... so are the wives... don't you even dream to get back any
invested funds from 'em :)
Margus (waiting for the wife getting back with DA*60-250 from dealer)
Jack Davis wrote:
Kitchen reno is an "investment." Lenses are a "write off." Be ready!
Jack
--- On Tue, 4/28/09, David J Brooks wrote:
From: David J Brooks
Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 6:38 AM
I'm still in mid reno of the kitchen.
That could explan a lot then.:-)
Dave
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Jack Davis
wrote:
Much of the renovation has been done, but now she
doesn't like the color and look of our wall-ovens and
refrigerator. Ceiling re-design and lighting have, also,
been mentioned.
I'm beginning to think it's a good thing we
have a joint account. :-/
Jack
--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Paul Sorenson
wrote:
From: Paul Sorenson
Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:05 PM
You'll have to get several new toys to be even
with a
kitchen renovation...start a list!
-p
Jack Davis wrote:
Guess I'll just have to charm her. If
that
doesn't still work, she's been talking
about a
further kitchen renovation...so I see some
possibilities.
Jack
--- On Mon, 4/27/09, William Robb
wrote:
From: William Robb
Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test
shots
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 8:13 AM
----- Original Message - From:
"Jack
Davis"
Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test
shots
My wife closely scrutinizes our
"JOINT" bank
account. I know, I have no
idea at this point how that happened.
;(
While auditing, she wears a green
plastic eye
shade
and to hold her
sleeves up, elastic arm bands.
You're doomed, you realize.
Rule one, is don't let them have a
joint
account.
William Robb
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Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
OK, I'll try that. Thanks! Jack --- On Tue, 4/28/09, William Robb wrote: > From: William Robb > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 8:18 AM > - Original Message - > From: "Jack Davis" > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > > > > > Kitchen reno is an "investment." Lenses are > a "write off." Be ready! > > A kitchen reno is only an investment if you are planning on > selling the > house without using the renovated room. Otherwise it is a > depreciating > purchase, the same as a car. > If it wasn't, there would be no reason to renovate. > > Careful lens purchases, OTOH, can actually gain in value. > This makes them a real investment. > > William Robb > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
- Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > Kitchen reno is an "investment." Lenses are a "write off." Be ready! A kitchen reno is only an investment if you are planning on selling the house without using the renovated room. Otherwise it is a depreciating purchase, the same as a car. If it wasn't, there would be no reason to renovate. Careful lens purchases, OTOH, can actually gain in value. This makes them a real investment. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
Kitchen reno is an "investment." Lenses are a "write off." Be ready! Jack --- On Tue, 4/28/09, David J Brooks wrote: > From: David J Brooks > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 6:38 AM > I'm still in mid reno of the kitchen. > > That could explan a lot then.:-) > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Jack Davis > wrote: > > > > Much of the renovation has been done, but now she > doesn't like the color and look of our wall-ovens and > refrigerator. Ceiling re-design and lighting have, also, > been mentioned. > > I'm beginning to think it's a good thing we > have a joint account. :-/ > > > > Jack > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Paul Sorenson > wrote: > > > >> From: Paul Sorenson > > >> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > >> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:05 PM > >> You'll have to get several new toys to be even > with a > >> kitchen renovation...start a list! > >> > >> -p > >> > >> Jack Davis wrote: > >> > Guess I'll just have to charm her. If > that > >> doesn't still work, she's been talking > about a > >> further kitchen renovation...so I see some > possibilities. > >> > > >> > Jack > >> > > >> > > >> > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, William Robb > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> From: William Robb > > >> >> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test > shots > >> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > >> > >> >> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 8:13 AM > >> >> - Original Message - From: > "Jack > >> Davis" > >> >> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test > shots > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> My wife closely scrutinizes our > >> "JOINT" bank > >> >> account. I know, I have no > >> >>> idea at this point how that happened. > ;( > >> >>> While auditing, she wears a green > plastic eye > >> shade > >> >> and to hold her > >> >>> sleeves up, elastic arm bands. > >> >>> > >> >> You're doomed, you realize. > >> >> Rule one, is don't let them have a > joint > >> account. > >> >> > >> >> William Robb > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> >> PDML@pdml.net > >> >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please > visit the > >> link > >> >> directly above and follow the directions. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> > PDML@pdml.net > >> > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit > the link > >> directly above and follow the directions. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 > / Virus > >> Database: 270.12.4/2082 - Release Date: 04/27/09 > 06:19:00 > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the > link > >> directly above and follow the directions. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > > > > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
I'm still in mid reno of the kitchen. That could explan a lot then.:-) Dave On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > > Much of the renovation has been done, but now she doesn't like the color and > look of our wall-ovens and refrigerator. Ceiling re-design and lighting have, > also, been mentioned. > I'm beginning to think it's a good thing we have a joint account. :-/ > > Jack > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Paul Sorenson wrote: > >> From: Paul Sorenson >> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:05 PM >> You'll have to get several new toys to be even with a >> kitchen renovation...start a list! >> >> -p >> >> Jack Davis wrote: >> > Guess I'll just have to charm her. If that >> doesn't still work, she's been talking about a >> further kitchen renovation...so I see some possibilities. >> > >> > Jack >> > >> > >> > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, William Robb >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: William Robb >> >> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots >> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> >> >> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 8:13 AM >> >> - Original Message - From: "Jack >> Davis" >> >> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots >> >> >> >> >> >>> My wife closely scrutinizes our >> "JOINT" bank >> >> account. I know, I have no >> >>> idea at this point how that happened. ;( >> >>> While auditing, she wears a green plastic eye >> shade >> >> and to hold her >> >>> sleeves up, elastic arm bands. >> >>> >> >> You're doomed, you realize. >> >> Rule one, is don't let them have a joint >> account. >> >> >> >> William Robb >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >> PDML@pdml.net >> >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the >> link >> >> directly above and follow the directions. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> > PDML@pdml.net >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link >> directly above and follow the directions. >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus >> Database: 270.12.4/2082 - Release Date: 04/27/09 06:19:00 >> > >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link >> directly above and follow the directions. > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
No problems, I can deal with it. John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jack Davis [jdavi...@yahoo.com] Sent: 27 April 2009 22:40 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots She was obviously suspicious to begin with. Once you're caught, it doesn't mater whether your quality or not..you're forever guilty. Life sentence! Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, John Whittingham wrote: > From: John Whittingham > Subject: RE: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:20 PM > I doubt she knows abot the PDML, so I'm lucky there. I > once bought a new Rotel amplifier and switched amps, they > looked remarkably similar, but she spotted that within a > week. > > Regards, > > John > > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On > Behalf Of Jack Davis [jdavi...@yahoo.com] > Sent: 27 April 2009 19:13 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: RE: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > Does she ever check your PDML activity? She may just be > saving it for your next encounter. > > Jack > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, John Whittingham > wrote: > > > From: John Whittingham > > Subject: RE: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 9:07 AM > > Same here for me, I think she just lost track, but I > > daren't have one delivered to the house. I'm > > convinced she doesn't know I have three DSLR's > > either. > > > > John > > ____________________ > > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On > > Behalf Of William Robb [war...@gmail.com] > > Sent: 27 April 2009 15:53 > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jack Davis" > > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > > > > > > > > > I just printed out your post to put on my > wife's > > pillow tonight. > > > You should expect an email with singed edges. > 8-() > > > > > > > Something I discovered is that to my wife, one lens > looks > > pretty much like > > another. Eventually, you reach a tipping point where > they > > just can't tell if > > a lens is new or if they just didn'notice it, and > a > > short time later, they > > just stop noticing. > > When I had three lenses, bringing a new lens into the > house > > was difficult. > > I no longer have that problem. > > > > William Robb > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > > directly above and follow the directions. > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > > directly above and follow the directions. > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
I can relate, but at this point my wife doesn't know about the K7 "rumor." Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, John Francis wrote: > From: John Francis > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 3:10 PM > I don't get to hide expenditure from my wife, either - > she's a > professional bean counter (green eye shade and everything), > so > she handles all the household finances. When she found out > that > there was a new Pentax being announced next month (shortly > after > my birthday) she let me know that there was no way I was > getting > a present from her on my birthday - I think she's > resigned to the > fact that the third digital body might be close to arriving > here. > > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:55:01PM -0300, Luiz Felipe > wrote: > > I only reached that point last month, after filling > the house for more > > than a month with borrowed cameras and lenses and > bags, and making small > > movements in my mercado livre account. She's still > wondering, however... > > > > LF > > > > Jack Davis escreveu: > >> My wife closely scrutinizes our "JOINT" > bank account. I know, I have no idea at this point how that > happened. ;( > >> While auditing, she wears a green plastic eye > shade and to hold her > >> sleeves up, elastic arm bands. > >> > >> Jack > >> > >> > >> --- On Mon, 4/27/09, William Robb > wrote: > >> > >>> From: William Robb > >>> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test > shots > >>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > >>> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:53 AM > >>> - Original Message - From: "Jack > Davis" > >>> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test > shots > >>> > >>> > >>>> I just printed out your post to put on my > wife's > >>> pillow tonight. > >>>> You should expect an email with singed > edges. 8-() > >>>> > >>> Something I discovered is that to my wife, one > lens looks > >>> pretty much like another. Eventually, you > reach a tipping point where > >>> they > >>> just can't tell if a lens is new or if > they just didn'notice it, and > >>> a > >>> short time later, they just stop noticing. > >>> When I had three lenses, bringing a new lens > into the house > >>> was difficult. > >>> I no longer have that problem. > >>> > >>> William Robb > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>> PDML@pdml.net > >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the > link > >>> directly above and follow the directions. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the > link directly above and follow the directions. > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Luiz Felipe > > luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br > > http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots
I don't get to hide expenditure from my wife, either - she's a professional bean counter (green eye shade and everything), so she handles all the household finances. When she found out that there was a new Pentax being announced next month (shortly after my birthday) she let me know that there was no way I was getting a present from her on my birthday - I think she's resigned to the fact that the third digital body might be close to arriving here. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:55:01PM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: > I only reached that point last month, after filling the house for more > than a month with borrowed cameras and lenses and bags, and making small > movements in my mercado livre account. She's still wondering, however... > > LF > > Jack Davis escreveu: >> My wife closely scrutinizes our "JOINT" bank account. I know, I have no idea >> at this point how that happened. ;( >> While auditing, she wears a green plastic eye shade and to hold her >> sleeves up, elastic arm bands. >> >> Jack >> >> >> --- On Mon, 4/27/09, William Robb wrote: >> >>> From: William Robb >>> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots >>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >>> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:53 AM >>> - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" >>> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots >>> >>> >>>> I just printed out your post to put on my wife's >>> pillow tonight. >>>> You should expect an email with singed edges. 8-() >>>> >>> Something I discovered is that to my wife, one lens looks >>> pretty much like another. Eventually, you reach a tipping point where >>> they >>> just can't tell if a lens is new or if they just didn'notice it, and >>> a >>> short time later, they just stop noticing. >>> When I had three lenses, bringing a new lens into the house >>> was difficult. >>> I no longer have that problem. >>> >>> William Robb >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link >>> directly above and follow the directions. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> > > -- > Luiz Felipe > luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br > http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LoL.. J --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Cotty wrote: > From: Cotty > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "pentax list" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:46 PM > On 27/4/09, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >A kitchen renovation is good for about 2 lenses. > > Oh man, I want that T shirt. > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com > _ > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Now I'm startin' to worry. :-| Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, William Robb wrote: > From: William Robb > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:16 PM > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Sorenson" > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > > > You'll have to get several new toys to be even > with a kitchen > > renovation...start a list! > > A kitchen renovation is good for about 2 lenses. Remeber, > you live there > too, you benefit from the renovation as well, and you will > get this thrown > back at you. > I turned a bungalow into a two story house and got about > ten cents on the > dollar invested as an allowed number to put into my lens > collection. > > Good glass isn't cheap, and when home renovations enter > into the equation, > good glass is really not cheap, > > William Robb > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Much of the renovation has been done, but now she doesn't like the color and look of our wall-ovens and refrigerator. Ceiling re-design and lighting have, also, been mentioned. I'm beginning to think it's a good thing we have a joint account. :-/ Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Paul Sorenson wrote: > From: Paul Sorenson > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:05 PM > You'll have to get several new toys to be even with a > kitchen renovation...start a list! > > -p > > Jack Davis wrote: > > Guess I'll just have to charm her. If that > doesn't still work, she's been talking about a > further kitchen renovation...so I see some possibilities. > > > > Jack > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, William Robb > wrote: > > > >> From: William Robb > >> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > >> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 8:13 AM > >> - Original Message - From: "Jack > Davis" > >> Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > >> > >> > >>> My wife closely scrutinizes our > "JOINT" bank > >> account. I know, I have no > >>> idea at this point how that happened. ;( > >>> While auditing, she wears a green plastic eye > shade > >> and to hold her > >>> sleeves up, elastic arm bands. > >>> > >> You're doomed, you realize. > >> Rule one, is don't let them have a joint > account. > >> > >> William Robb > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the > link > >> directly above and follow the directions. > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus > Database: 270.12.4/2082 - Release Date: 04/27/09 06:19:00 > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm an open book of glass pages. I have to ask my wife all those questions. Do you suppose she's telling me the truth? Usually it's, "buzz off!" Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Luiz Felipe wrote: > From: Luiz Felipe > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:51 PM > ...as anyone from the dark ages of BR dictatorship would > know... > > 1) give her full control of the joint account. > > 2) pass her the full control of everyday expenses. > > 3) be sure to pass her your full expense list, plus a third > - usually white items gathered from friends and business > partners, never discriminating the expenses individually. > More is better. > > 4) keep complaining about how hard it is to keep the old > gear working top, and how such and such competitor is eating > your share of the market because he's paying more > dinners and got a new gear. > > 5) NEVER, ever let your wife or your government know > exactly how much money you make, how many hours you worked > for that payment, who's paying you and how. Bank > accounts and plastic money can and will be traced and used > against you. Stamp collections, jewelry, diamonds in the > aquarium (as long as you do the maintenance), be creative... > but don't get caught. > > LF (who spent the last 10 years without a bank account, > joint or single - the best way to keep noses out of my > pockets) > > William Robb escreveu: > > - Original Message - From: "Jack > Davis" > > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > > > > >> My wife closely scrutinizes our "JOINT" > bank account. I know, I have no idea at this point how that > happened. ;( > >> While auditing, she wears a green plastic eye > shade and to hold her sleeves up, elastic arm bands. > >> > > > > You're doomed, you realize. > > Rule one, is don't let them have a joint account. > > > > William Robb > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > > > > > -- Luiz Felipe > luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br > http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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She was obviously suspicious to begin with. Once you're caught, it doesn't mater whether your quality or not..you're forever guilty. Life sentence! Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, John Whittingham wrote: > From: John Whittingham > Subject: RE: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:20 PM > I doubt she knows abot the PDML, so I'm lucky there. I > once bought a new Rotel amplifier and switched amps, they > looked remarkably similar, but she spotted that within a > week. > > Regards, > > John > > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On > Behalf Of Jack Davis [jdavi...@yahoo.com] > Sent: 27 April 2009 19:13 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: RE: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > Does she ever check your PDML activity? She may just be > saving it for your next encounter. > > Jack > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, John Whittingham > wrote: > > > From: John Whittingham > > Subject: RE: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 9:07 AM > > Same here for me, I think she just lost track, but I > > daren't have one delivered to the house. I'm > > convinced she doesn't know I have three DSLR's > > either. > > > > John > > ____________________ > > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On > > Behalf Of William Robb [war...@gmail.com] > > Sent: 27 April 2009 15:53 > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jack Davis" > > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > > > > > > > > > I just printed out your post to put on my > wife's > > pillow tonight. > > > You should expect an email with singed edges. > 8-() > > > > > > > Something I discovered is that to my wife, one lens > looks > > pretty much like > > another. Eventually, you reach a tipping point where > they > > just can't tell if > > a lens is new or if they just didn'notice it, and > a > > short time later, they > > just stop noticing. > > When I had three lenses, bringing a new lens into the > house > > was difficult. > > I no longer have that problem. > > > > William Robb > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > > directly above and follow the directions. > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > > directly above and follow the directions. > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 27/4/09, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >A kitchen renovation is good for about 2 lenses. Oh man, I want that T shirt. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "William Robb" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots I just printed out your post to put on my wife's pillow tonight. You should expect an email with singed edges. 8-() Something I discovered is that to my wife, one lens looks pretty much like another. Eventually, you reach a tipping point where they just can't tell if a lens is new or if they just didn'notice it, and a short time later, they just stop noticing. Its a good thing you already have a 600 When I had three lenses, bringing a new lens into the house was difficult. I no longer have that problem. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Paul Sorenson" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > You'll have to get several new toys to be even with a kitchen > renovation...start a list! A kitchen renovation is good for about 2 lenses. Remeber, you live there too, you benefit from the renovation as well, and you will get this thrown back at you. I turned a bungalow into a two story house and got about ten cents on the dollar invested as an allowed number to put into my lens collection. Good glass isn't cheap, and when home renovations enter into the equation, good glass is really not cheap, William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You'll have to get several new toys to be even with a kitchen renovation...start a list! -p Jack Davis wrote: Guess I'll just have to charm her. If that doesn't still work, she's been talking about a further kitchen renovation...so I see some possibilities. Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, William Robb wrote: From: William Robb Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 8:13 AM - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots My wife closely scrutinizes our "JOINT" bank account. I know, I have no idea at this point how that happened. ;( While auditing, she wears a green plastic eye shade and to hold her sleeves up, elastic arm bands. You're doomed, you realize. Rule one, is don't let them have a joint account. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2082 - Release Date: 04/27/09 06:19:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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...as anyone from the dark ages of BR dictatorship would know... 1) give her full control of the joint account. 2) pass her the full control of everyday expenses. 3) be sure to pass her your full expense list, plus a third - usually white items gathered from friends and business partners, never discriminating the expenses individually. More is better. 4) keep complaining about how hard it is to keep the old gear working top, and how such and such competitor is eating your share of the market because he's paying more dinners and got a new gear. 5) NEVER, ever let your wife or your government know exactly how much money you make, how many hours you worked for that payment, who's paying you and how. Bank accounts and plastic money can and will be traced and used against you. Stamp collections, jewelry, diamonds in the aquarium (as long as you do the maintenance), be creative... but don't get caught. LF (who spent the last 10 years without a bank account, joint or single - the best way to keep noses out of my pockets) William Robb escreveu: - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots My wife closely scrutinizes our "JOINT" bank account. I know, I have no idea at this point how that happened. ;( While auditing, she wears a green plastic eye shade and to hold her sleeves up, elastic arm bands. You're doomed, you realize. Rule one, is don't let them have a joint account. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I doubt she knows abot the PDML, so I'm lucky there. I once bought a new Rotel amplifier and switched amps, they looked remarkably similar, but she spotted that within a week. Regards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jack Davis [jdavi...@yahoo.com] Sent: 27 April 2009 19:13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots Does she ever check your PDML activity? She may just be saving it for your next encounter. Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, John Whittingham wrote: > From: John Whittingham > Subject: RE: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 9:07 AM > Same here for me, I think she just lost track, but I > daren't have one delivered to the house. I'm > convinced she doesn't know I have three DSLR's > either. > > John > > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On > Behalf Of William Robb [war...@gmail.com] > Sent: 27 April 2009 15:53 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > - Original Message - > From: "Jack Davis" > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > > > > > I just printed out your post to put on my wife's > pillow tonight. > > You should expect an email with singed edges. 8-() > > > > Something I discovered is that to my wife, one lens looks > pretty much like > another. Eventually, you reach a tipping point where they > just can't tell if > a lens is new or if they just didn'notice it, and a > short time later, they > just stop noticing. > When I had three lenses, bringing a new lens into the house > was difficult. > I no longer have that problem. > > William Robb > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Does she ever check your PDML activity? She may just be saving it for your next encounter. Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, John Whittingham wrote: > From: John Whittingham > Subject: RE: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 9:07 AM > Same here for me, I think she just lost track, but I > daren't have one delivered to the house. I'm > convinced she doesn't know I have three DSLR's > either. > > John > > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On > Behalf Of William Robb [war...@gmail.com] > Sent: 27 April 2009 15:53 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > - Original Message - > From: "Jack Davis" > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > > > > > I just printed out your post to put on my wife's > pillow tonight. > > You should expect an email with singed edges. 8-() > > > > Something I discovered is that to my wife, one lens looks > pretty much like > another. Eventually, you reach a tipping point where they > just can't tell if > a lens is new or if they just didn'notice it, and a > short time later, they > just stop noticing. > When I had three lenses, bringing a new lens into the house > was difficult. > I no longer have that problem. > > William Robb > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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H..I see. Sneaky, I like it! Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Matthew Hunt wrote: > From: Matthew Hunt > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 8:25 AM > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Jack Davis > wrote: > > > My wife closely scrutinizes our "JOINT" bank > account. > > That's why you buy your toys with the other account. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Guess I'll just have to charm her. If that doesn't still work, she's been talking about a further kitchen renovation...so I see some possibilities. Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, William Robb wrote: > From: William Robb > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 8:13 AM > - Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Davis" > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > > > > > My wife closely scrutinizes our "JOINT" bank > account. I know, I have no > > idea at this point how that happened. ;( > > While auditing, she wears a green plastic eye shade > and to hold her > > sleeves up, elastic arm bands. > > > > You're doomed, you realize. > Rule one, is don't let them have a joint account. > > William Robb > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I only reached that point last month, after filling the house for more than a month with borrowed cameras and lenses and bags, and making small movements in my mercado livre account. She's still wondering, however... LF Jack Davis escreveu: My wife closely scrutinizes our "JOINT" bank account. I know, I have no idea at this point how that happened. ;( While auditing, she wears a green plastic eye shade and to hold her sleeves up, elastic arm bands. Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, William Robb wrote: From: William Robb Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:53 AM - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots I just printed out your post to put on my wife's pillow tonight. You should expect an email with singed edges. 8-() Something I discovered is that to my wife, one lens looks pretty much like another. Eventually, you reach a tipping point where they just can't tell if a lens is new or if they just didn'notice it, and a short time later, they just stop noticing. When I had three lenses, bringing a new lens into the house was difficult. I no longer have that problem. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Same here for me, I think she just lost track, but I daren't have one delivered to the house. I'm convinced she doesn't know I have three DSLR's either. John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb [war...@gmail.com] Sent: 27 April 2009 15:53 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > I just printed out your post to put on my wife's pillow tonight. > You should expect an email with singed edges. 8-() > Something I discovered is that to my wife, one lens looks pretty much like another. Eventually, you reach a tipping point where they just can't tell if a lens is new or if they just didn'notice it, and a short time later, they just stop noticing. When I had three lenses, bringing a new lens into the house was difficult. I no longer have that problem. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Jack Davis wrote: > My wife closely scrutinizes our "JOINT" bank account. That's why you buy your toys with the other account. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > My wife closely scrutinizes our "JOINT" bank account. I know, I have no > idea at this point how that happened. ;( > While auditing, she wears a green plastic eye shade and to hold her > sleeves up, elastic arm bands. > You're doomed, you realize. Rule one, is don't let them have a joint account. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My wife closely scrutinizes our "JOINT" bank account. I know, I have no idea at this point how that happened. ;( While auditing, she wears a green plastic eye shade and to hold her sleeves up, elastic arm bands. Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, William Robb wrote: > From: William Robb > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:53 AM > - Original Message - > From: "Jack Davis" > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > > > > > I just printed out your post to put on my wife's > pillow tonight. > > You should expect an email with singed edges. 8-() > > > > Something I discovered is that to my wife, one lens looks > pretty much like > another. Eventually, you reach a tipping point where they > just can't tell if > a lens is new or if they just didn'notice it, and a > short time later, they > just stop noticing. > When I had three lenses, bringing a new lens into the house > was difficult. > I no longer have that problem. > > William Robb > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > > I just printed out your post to put on my wife's pillow tonight. > You should expect an email with singed edges. 8-() > Something I discovered is that to my wife, one lens looks pretty much like another. Eventually, you reach a tipping point where they just can't tell if a lens is new or if they just didn'notice it, and a short time later, they just stop noticing. When I had three lenses, bringing a new lens into the house was difficult. I no longer have that problem. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I just printed out your post to put on my wife's pillow tonight. You should expect an email with singed edges. 8-() Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, paul stenquist wrote: > From: paul stenquist > Subject: Re: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 6:22 AM > I don't believe that you're wife has a vote. Go for > it! > Paul > On Apr 27, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Jack Davis wrote: > > > > > Why did you have to go and depress me, Dario? I'd > pretty much decided to pass on this ether rumor, but now..I > want to know "how much". > > My only hope now is that my wife will decide it's > too much. > > > > Jack > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Dario Bonazza > wrote: > > > >> From: Dario Bonazza > > >> Subject: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > >> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 3:10 AM > >> Looks very promising: > >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/richday/sets/72157617291558372/detail/ > >> > >> Dario > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the > link > >> directly above and follow the directions. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't believe that you're wife has a vote. Go for it! Paul On Apr 27, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Why did you have to go and depress me, Dario? I'd pretty much decided to pass on this ether rumor, but now..I want to know "how much". My only hope now is that my wife will decide it's too much. Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Dario Bonazza wrote: From: Dario Bonazza Subject: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 3:10 AM Looks very promising: http://www.flickr.com/photos/richday/sets/72157617291558372/detail/ Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 05:44:28AM -0700, Jack Davis scripsit: > My only hope now is that my wife will decide it's too much. Mark! -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Why did you have to go and depress me, Dario? I'd pretty much decided to pass on this ether rumor, but now..I want to know "how much". My only hope now is that my wife will decide it's too much. Jack --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Dario Bonazza wrote: > From: Dario Bonazza > Subject: Interesting DA 60-250mm test shots > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 3:10 AM > Looks very promising: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/richday/sets/72157617291558372/detail/ > > Dario > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
