Re: Noise with K7
I started to write a long diatribe here about the sensors, electronics, firmware, etc. But it all pointed towards one thing. You get what you pay for, when you pay for it. If you pay the big bucks, you get the better gear. If you wait, better cameras will come online over time. It's interesting reading the heritage of the various cameras and their parts. It's rare that any of that knowledge will counteract the above sentences at any given time. On Jun 29, 2010, at 13:52 , Adam Maas wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:39 PM, <27...@comcast.net> wrote: Well I am glad that my NOISE post is still alive. It is bad that Pentax did not make a better sensor for the K7. If they could do it in the KX, why not the K7. I guess the money issue (make more money with the K7 first and then bring out the KX and by this time most people have already bought the K7 and so now they will buy the KX. Pentax doesn't make sensors, yet. They buy off the shelf. Perhaps, but unlikely, they will put up the money to get exclusive rights to a super sensor a few months before anyone else. They most likely have several physical camera bodies ready to go, at least in prototype, and choose the sensor prior to the start of limited pre-production on the one they are price pointing. They probably pay to have the latest generic processing software customized and placed in firmware, unless it comes from the sensor manufacturer, as they are tied together so closely. Most of the parts to any of their cameras are made, even designed, elsewhere. Pentax is an optical company. They know how to make good cameras, and many other optically based instruments. They have great engineers and designers that are the source of their exclusive features. It's possible, but I don't think, that they have crews of software engineers and sensor engineers on their staff. Pentax used a brand new sensor for the K-x, which Sony introduced later (the A500 is the only other camera using the new 12MP part, it was announced 3 weeks before the K-x but shipped 2 months afterwards). The K-7 was announced 5 months earlier than the K-x when the two new Sony sensors were not yet available and there's good reason to believe the K-7's launch had been pushed back from PMA, some 8 months before the K-x showed up. Nikon's D5000, released midway between the K-7 and K-x even uses the older version of the K-x sensor and Nikon most likely had first dibs on the part. Pentax could have used the older Sony 12MP sensor that the K-x sensor was derived from, but then the K-7's noise performance would have been about a stop worse than the K-x anyways and it would have been a spec downgrade from the K20D. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:39 PM, <27...@comcast.net> wrote: > Well I am glad that my NOISE post is still alive. It is bad that Pentax did > not make a better sensor for the K7. If they could do it in the KX, why not > the K7. I guess the money issue (make more money with the K7 first and then > bring out the KX and by this time most people have already bought the K7 and > so now they will buy the KX. Pentax used a brand new sensor for the K-x, which Sony introduced later (the A500 is the only other camera using the new 12MP part, it was announced 3 weeks before the K-x but shipped 2 months afterwards). The K-7 was announced 5 months earlier than the K-x when the two new Sony sensors were not yet available and there's good reason to believe the K-7's launch had been pushed back from PMA, some 8 months before the K-x showed up. Nikon's D5000, released midway between the K-7 and K-x even uses the older version of the K-x sensor and Nikon most likely had first dibs on the part. Pentax could have used the older Sony 12MP sensor that the K-x sensor was derived from, but then the K-7's noise performance would have been about a stop worse than the K-x anyways and it would have been a spec downgrade from the K20D. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
Well I am glad that my NOISE post is still alive. It is bad that Pentax did not make a better sensor for the K7. If they could do it in the KX, why not the K7. I guess the money issue (make more money with the K7 first and then bring out the KX and by this time most people have already bought the K7 and so now they will buy the KX. I have been reading the posts about the noise with the K7, with my K7 even at 100 iso, the noise is bad. Like I stated before that some of my photos were not used because of the noise. I have been fooling with Neat Image Pro and the noise filter in Photoshop and also the noise filter by Topaz. Topaz takes the longest to filter the noise.. My results have been pretty good but like someone else on the list said this is just an extra step. About buying Nikon gear, I do have a couple bodies but they are not new. The D1x is a very good body with very nice color and low noise. Also this body will sync at up to 500th of a second with any flash. I guess if I did not have so much money in Pentax glass, I would switch maybe. I have shot with Pentax gear since about 1975. I have used the Pentax gear to photograph US Presidents, major league sports, NHRA and IHRA Drag racing. News events, Spot news and just about anything a photojournalist would shoot. Even when I worked for the newspaper, I used my Pentax gear instead of the company Nikon gear. I had better glass. When newspapers were switching to digital, first we had the big Kodak DCS/Nikon bodies. Since Pentax never released the first digital body that they showed at the camera shows, I was forced to use the Kodak DCS/Nikon bodies, Next we went to the Nikon D1 bodies which was 2.7 Megs. It would shoot five frames per second and would sync at up to 500th. of a second, but color was always a killer, meant more time on the computer. At that time I bought some nikon gear and glass. But I still shot with my Pentax film bodies when I had the chance. So in ending my longest post on the list, I do hope Pentax will bring out a nice killer body with very very good low light. - Original Message - From: "paul stenquist" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:12:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Noise with K7 On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: > On 24 June 2010 08:59, paul stenquist wrote: >> The Kx would definitely be better for low light applications. The k20 is >> about the same as the K7. Any difference is splitting hairs. >> I shoot a lot of low light interiors. But it's not a problem if you shoot >> off a tripod. I'd do that anyway, even with a Kx. It's the only way to shoot >> interiors. > > Motion blur doesn't work so well with kids ;-) > She said she's shooting interiors, no mention of kids. If she's shooting kids in dimly lit interiors, she needs lights. No need to compromise in either case. Paul > -- > Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) > Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours > Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Noise with K7
Don't be afraid to shoot the K-x at 6400 iso. For your first tests just shoot it in jpg to see what you get. That is nice that you can try one. Certainly one $500 body is way cheaper than a D700 and matching lens. -Original Message- From: Tanya Love Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 4:55 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Noise with K7 Budget is correct, mostly. I have only just begun doing these types of shoots, and as yet they are not my bread and butter. But, the demand is growing. Right now, I am focusing my energies on rebuilding my studio set up that I sold when I *retired* from photography a few years back. I really need the correct lighting set up right now as I am doing a lot of product shots, and more and more indoor newborn stuff too. The thing is to convert to Nikon isn't just a case of a new body and a lens -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Noise with K7
Budget is correct, mostly. I have only just begun doing these types of
shoots, and as yet they are not my bread and butter. But, the demand
is growing. Right now, I am focusing my energies on rebuilding my studio
set up that I sold when I *retired* from photography a few years back.
I really need the correct lighting set up right now as I am doing a lot of
product shots, and more and more indoor newborn stuff too.
The thing is to convert to Nikon isn't just a case of a new body and a lens.
I have stacks of gear that I would need to convert - 7-8 lenses, 3
flashguns,
2 battery grips, 3 rechargeable camera batteries, off camera flash sync
cables, all that are Pentax specific and none of which I could afford to
change.
However, I *do* need a second body, so maybe I'll consider a D700 plus a
nice fast zoom for this purpose. J
On the other hand, Pentax are actually loaning me a K-x for a week or two
leading up to the Workshops I am teaching at the end of July as I will be
using it to demonstrate my teachings. It will give me a great opportunity
to really play with it and see if it would offer me a better alternative so
far
as noise goes
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J. Alling
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On 6/24/2010 9:21 AM, William Robb wrote:
>
> --
> From: "Tanya Love"
> Subject: RE: Noise with K7
>
>> Lol, actually, Rob is correct! I am shooting kids IN interiors! Lol.
>> Ie.
>> They are shots featuring nurseries and also have to have the babies
>> in them as "lifestyle" shots.
>>
>> AND, I do have lights, BUT the brief for this magazine is always to
>> use available light. I tend to bounce a low powered strobe into the
>> darkest corners of the room to give a Little bit of fill that even
>> the most discerning of magazine editors can't detect, and I also use
>> a tripod but a lot of the nurseries are really small and with a baby
>> or two crawling about on the floor, it can make for fun times.
>>
>> I have been playing a lot with the NR in CS5 and LR3, but even so, it
>> is all more work to add to the post workflow. I *really* wish it
>> could be done perfect first time around.
>>
>> This, and the ability to shoot tethered are two major flaws in the
>> current line up for professionals for Pentax. It is *almost* enough
>> to make me consider switching to Nikon
>>
>> ...but not quite. :)
>
> Nice of you to give all the information right off the get go.
> Why aren`t you using a D700 or D3?
> They are the right tools for the job. Nothing from Pentax comes even
> remotely close.
>
> William Robb
>
My guess is budget.
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Re: Noise with K7
Rick Womer wrote: >--- On Thu, 6/24/10, John Francis wrote: >> >> If image quality was related to the price we paid for the >> camera, we'd all still be using the *ist-D :-) >>Mark! Brilliant! (Though, come to think of it, John's statement isn't true in my case...) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: Noise with K7
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 04:02:47AM -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote: > Well short of going to a full frame camera, the K-x is the best you can get > for shooting at high ISO from any manufacturer. > > I have shot about 15,000 frames with mine since getting it a couple of months > ago. The worst thing about the camera is how it makes you question the use > and price of your high end bodies (K20, K7). They have things about them > that are better, but when it comes to image quality, the K-x can't be beat. If image quality was related to the price we paid for the camera, we'd all still be using the *ist-D :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
Thursday, June 24, 2010, 6:52:20 AM, you wrote: PJA> On 6/24/2010 9:21 AM, William Robb wrote: >> >> -- >> From: "Tanya Love" >> Subject: RE: Noise with K7 >> >> >> Nice of you to give all the information right off the get go. >> Why aren`t you using a D700 or D3? >> They are the right tools for the job. Nothing from Pentax comes even >> remotely close. >> >> William Robb >> PJA> My guess is budget. Peter is probably right. It was in my case. I needed a body to shoot one gymnastics meet. The K-x was $500 - the D700 + 24-70/2.8 was WAY more. It couldn't be justified. For Tanya, the question becomes what is her normal shooting? If this type of thing becomes the bread and butter, then yes, she should dump her Pentax stuff and switch to the Nikon D700 + stuff. If it is only some of the time, the K-x might be good enough. Certainly it would make sense to buy/borrow a K-x and try a shoot before making a final decision - there is such a huge difference in cost. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
On 6/24/2010 9:21 AM, William Robb wrote:
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From: "Tanya Love"
Subject: RE: Noise with K7
Lol, actually, Rob is correct! I am shooting kids IN interiors! Lol.
Ie.
They are shots featuring nurseries and also have to have the babies
in them
as "lifestyle" shots.
AND, I do have lights, BUT the brief for this magazine is always to use
available light. I tend to bounce a low powered strobe into the darkest
corners of the room to give a
Little bit of fill that even the most discerning of magazine editors
can't
detect, and I also use a tripod but a lot of the nurseries are really
small
and with a baby or two
crawling about on the floor, it can make for fun times.
I have been playing a lot with the NR in CS5 and LR3, but even so, it
is all
more work to add to the post workflow. I *really* wish it could be done
perfect first time around.
This, and the ability to shoot tethered are two major flaws in the
current
line up for professionals for Pentax. It is *almost* enough to make me
consider switching to Nikon
...but not quite. :)
Nice of you to give all the information right off the get go.
Why aren`t you using a D700 or D3?
They are the right tools for the job. Nothing from Pentax comes even
remotely close.
William Robb
My guess is budget.
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Re: Noise with K7
-- From: "Tanya Love" Subject: RE: Noise with K7 Lol, actually, Rob is correct! I am shooting kids IN interiors! Lol. Ie. They are shots featuring nurseries and also have to have the babies in them as "lifestyle" shots. AND, I do have lights, BUT the brief for this magazine is always to use available light. I tend to bounce a low powered strobe into the darkest corners of the room to give a Little bit of fill that even the most discerning of magazine editors can't detect, and I also use a tripod but a lot of the nurseries are really small and with a baby or two crawling about on the floor, it can make for fun times. I have been playing a lot with the NR in CS5 and LR3, but even so, it is all more work to add to the post workflow. I *really* wish it could be done perfect first time around. This, and the ability to shoot tethered are two major flaws in the current line up for professionals for Pentax. It is *almost* enough to make me consider switching to Nikon ...but not quite. :) Nice of you to give all the information right off the get go. Why aren`t you using a D700 or D3? They are the right tools for the job. Nothing from Pentax comes even remotely close. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
Having a k7 and k20 generates the same result. I haven't touched the k20 in close to a year. I'll be shooting with two cameras on a job coming up, so I'll probably have to get out the manual to figure out where all the buttons are. The k7 is quite different. You're right about the low light capability of the Kx. However, if I was shooting kids in low light for a living, I'd probably go with the full frame Nikon. You'd want the benefits of a big buffer and high frame rate for that. But if it was just a once in a while thing, the Kx would be more than adequate. Paul On Jun 24, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: > Well short of going to a full frame camera, the K-x is the best you can get > for shooting at high ISO from any manufacturer. > > I have shot about 15,000 frames with mine since getting it a couple of months > ago. The worst thing about the camera is how it makes you question the use > and price of your high end bodies (K20, K7). They have things about them > that are better, but when it comes to image quality, the K-x can't be beat. > > What I did was to purchase one after looking at many images thinking I might > return it if it wasn't enough difference. I ended up keeping it. It is now > the camera I choose to use most of the time, leaving the poor K20 sitting > there all sad. > > I routinely shoot the K-x in jpg. The processing engine is vastly improved > and the quality at high ISO is hard to beat, even in PP - Pentax really did > this body right. Mind you that I am a hardcore RAW shooter from way back > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Noise with K7
Well short of going to a full frame camera, the K-x is the best you can get for shooting at high ISO from any manufacturer. I have shot about 15,000 frames with mine since getting it a couple of months ago. The worst thing about the camera is how it makes you question the use and price of your high end bodies (K20, K7). They have things about them that are better, but when it comes to image quality, the K-x can't be beat. What I did was to purchase one after looking at many images thinking I might return it if it wasn't enough difference. I ended up keeping it. It is now the camera I choose to use most of the time, leaving the poor K20 sitting there all sad. I routinely shoot the K-x in jpg. The processing engine is vastly improved and the quality at high ISO is hard to beat, even in PP - Pentax really did this body right. Mind you that I am a hardcore RAW shooter from way back -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
If I was doing that kind of work on a regular basis -- low light and moving kids -- I wouldn't hesitate to switch to a Nikon 700D. Brand loyalty never made any sense to me. I continue to use Pentax because it works for everything I do, and I like the DA* lens lineup. But I wouldn't let it get in the way of my livelihood. Paul On Jun 24, 2010, at 2:26 AM, Tanya Love wrote: > Lol, actually, Rob is correct! I am shooting kids IN interiors! Lol. Ie. > They are shots featuring nurseries and also have to have the babies in them > as "lifestyle" shots. > > AND, I do have lights, BUT the brief for this magazine is always to use > available light. I tend to bounce a low powered strobe into the darkest > corners of the room to give a > Little bit of fill that even the most discerning of magazine editors can't > detect, and I also use a tripod but a lot of the nurseries are really small > and with a baby or two > crawling about on the floor, it can make for fun times. > > I have been playing a lot with the NR in CS5 and LR3, but even so, it is all > more work to add to the post workflow. I *really* wish it could be done > perfect first time around. > > This, and the ability to shoot tethered are two major flaws in the current > line up for professionals for Pentax. It is *almost* enough to make me > consider switching to Nikon > > ...but not quite. :) > > Tan. > > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul > stenquist > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2010 11:13 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Noise with K7 > > > On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: > >> On 24 June 2010 08:59, paul stenquist wrote: >>> The Kx would definitely be better for low light applications. The k20 is > about the same as the K7. Any difference is splitting hairs. >>> I shoot a lot of low light interiors. But it's not a problem if you shoot > off a tripod. I'd do that anyway, even with a Kx. It's the only way to shoot > interiors. >> >> Motion blur doesn't work so well with kids ;-) >> > She said she's shooting interiors, no mention of kids. If she's shooting > kids in dimly lit interiors, she needs lights. No need to compromise in > either case. > Paul >> -- >> Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) >> Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours >> Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Noise with K7
Lol, actually, Rob is correct! I am shooting kids IN interiors! Lol. Ie. They are shots featuring nurseries and also have to have the babies in them as "lifestyle" shots. AND, I do have lights, BUT the brief for this magazine is always to use available light. I tend to bounce a low powered strobe into the darkest corners of the room to give a Little bit of fill that even the most discerning of magazine editors can't detect, and I also use a tripod but a lot of the nurseries are really small and with a baby or two crawling about on the floor, it can make for fun times. I have been playing a lot with the NR in CS5 and LR3, but even so, it is all more work to add to the post workflow. I *really* wish it could be done perfect first time around. This, and the ability to shoot tethered are two major flaws in the current line up for professionals for Pentax. It is *almost* enough to make me consider switching to Nikon ...but not quite. :) Tan. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2010 11:13 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Noise with K7 On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: > On 24 June 2010 08:59, paul stenquist wrote: >> The Kx would definitely be better for low light applications. The k20 is about the same as the K7. Any difference is splitting hairs. >> I shoot a lot of low light interiors. But it's not a problem if you shoot off a tripod. I'd do that anyway, even with a Kx. It's the only way to shoot interiors. > > Motion blur doesn't work so well with kids ;-) > She said she's shooting interiors, no mention of kids. If she's shooting kids in dimly lit interiors, she needs lights. No need to compromise in either case. Paul > -- > Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) > Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours > Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: > On 24 June 2010 08:59, paul stenquist wrote: >> The Kx would definitely be better for low light applications. The k20 is >> about the same as the K7. Any difference is splitting hairs. >> I shoot a lot of low light interiors. But it's not a problem if you shoot >> off a tripod. I'd do that anyway, even with a Kx. It's the only way to shoot >> interiors. > > Motion blur doesn't work so well with kids ;-) > She said she's shooting interiors, no mention of kids. If she's shooting kids in dimly lit interiors, she needs lights. No need to compromise in either case. Paul > -- > Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) > Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours > Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
On 24 June 2010 08:59, paul stenquist wrote: > The Kx would definitely be better for low light applications. The k20 is > about the same as the K7. Any difference is splitting hairs. > I shoot a lot of low light interiors. But it's not a problem if you shoot off > a tripod. I'd do that anyway, even with a Kx. It's the only way to shoot > interiors. Motion blur doesn't work so well with kids ;-) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
-- From: "Tanya Love" Subject: RE: Noise with K7 I've been finding the noise really annoying, significantly adding to my post workflow as I have been shooting a fair few poorly lit interiors of late for various publications. I am actually thinking I might get myself a K20D to use for this purpose. I wonder if the K-X would be any better? The K-x would help, but a good tripod would help more. I've recently taken on an interiors project that has me doing several minute exposures. It isn't a process that can be rushed, as you can't turn off DFS on the K7, but the results are being very good. I tend to run auto noise reduction during raw conversion, and I also take the time to make NR presets. BTW, CS5 and I believe Lightroom 3 both have excellent NR during raw conversion. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 23, 2010, at 17:16, Bruce Dayton wrote: > > So, in a nutshell, you either need to deal with heavy post processing > or get a K-x. Even with post processing the K7, the K-x is better. > Or a person could be less finicky like myself, and say "it's not a crime for there to be some noise there" but maybe Tanya doesn't have that choice. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
The Kx would definitely be better for low light applications. The k20 is about the same as the K7. Any difference is splitting hairs. I shoot a lot of low light interiors. But it's not a problem if you shoot off a tripod. I'd do that anyway, even with a Kx. It's the only way to shoot interiors. paul Paul On Jun 23, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Tanya Love wrote: > I've been finding the noise really annoying, significantly adding to my post > workflow as I have been shooting a fair few poorly lit interiors > of late for various publications. > > I am actually thinking I might get myself a K20D to use for this purpose. I > wonder if the K-X would be any better? > > Tan. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
Hello Tanya, Being the owner of a K20D, I ended up purchasing a K-x and it is much better - especially if you don't want to heavily post process. The overall word that I have gathered from lots of sources (I had a big issue with needing to shoot about 10,000) images in a single day for a gymnastics meet in bad light (no flash allowed), that the K20D is slightly better than the K7 and the K-x is clearly better than the K20D. Being an owner of both, I can say from lots of heavy testing, that the K-x is easily the best. Between the K20D and the K7 I can't say, because I don't have both. A few feel the K-7 is better, but most I have read about seem to give a slight nod to the K20D. So, in a nutshell, you either need to deal with heavy post processing or get a K-x. Even with post processing the K7, the K-x is better. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:56:39 PM, you wrote: TL> I've been finding the noise really annoying, significantly adding to my post TL> workflow as I have been shooting a fair few poorly lit interiors TL> of late for various publications. TL> I am actually thinking I might get myself a K20D to use for this purpose. I TL> wonder if the K-X would be any better? TL> Tan. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've been finding the noise really annoying, significantly adding to my post workflow as I have been shooting a fair few poorly lit interiors of late for various publications. I am actually thinking I might get myself a K20D to use for this purpose. I wonder if the K-X would be any better? Tan. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
On 6/18/2010 7:08 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
On 19/06/2010, drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
Is this noise gone on the Kx?
There's more sound but less noise.
Don't forget the fury.
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On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:29 PM, drd1...@gmail.com wrote: > Is this noise gone on the Kx? It's not quite an "open and closed" case. > -Original Message- > From: Jack Davis > Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:19:37 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Noise with K7 > > LOL.. > > Jack > > --- On Fri, 6/18/10, 27...@comcast.net <27...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> From: 27...@comcast.net <27...@comcast.net> >> Subject: Re: Noise with K7 >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 12:55 PM >> FUNNY >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Larry Colen" >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 4:31:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >> Eastern >> Subject: Re: Noise with K7 >> >> >> On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> In all other respects, I think of the K-7 as a good >> step forward from the K20D. IMO, the best improvements of >> the K-7 are about metering and AF. I love the much quieter >> shutter. >> >> More noise on the sensor, less from the shutter? >>> >> >> -- >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com >> sent from i4est >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link >> directly above and follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link >> directly above and follow the directions. >> > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/06/2010, drd1...@gmail.com wrote: > Is this noise gone on the Kx? There's more sound but less noise. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
I shutter to think...
On 6/18/2010 4:29 PM, drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
Is this noise gone on the Kx?
-Original Message-
From: Jack Davis
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:19:37
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Subject: Re: Noise with K7
LOL..
Jack
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FUNNY
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Subject: Re: Noise with K7
On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
In all other respects, I think of the K-7 as a good
step forward from the K20D. IMO, the best improvements of
the K-7 are about metering and AF. I love the much quieter
shutter.
More noise on the sensor, less from the shutter?
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Re: Noise with K7
Is this noise gone on the Kx? -Original Message- From: Jack Davis Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:19:37 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Noise with K7 LOL.. Jack --- On Fri, 6/18/10, 27...@comcast.net <27...@comcast.net> wrote: > From: 27...@comcast.net <27...@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: Noise with K7 > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 12:55 PM > FUNNY > > - Original Message - > From: "Larry Colen" > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 4:31:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > Subject: Re: Noise with K7 > > > On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > > > > > > > In all other respects, I think of the K-7 as a good > step forward from the K20D. IMO, the best improvements of > the K-7 are about metering and AF. I love the much quieter > shutter. > > More noise on the sensor, less from the shutter? > > > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com > sent from i4est > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LOL.. Jack --- On Fri, 6/18/10, 27...@comcast.net <27...@comcast.net> wrote: > From: 27...@comcast.net <27...@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: Noise with K7 > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 12:55 PM > FUNNY > > - Original Message - > From: "Larry Colen" > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 4:31:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > Subject: Re: Noise with K7 > > > On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > > > > > > > In all other respects, I think of the K-7 as a good > step forward from the K20D. IMO, the best improvements of > the K-7 are about metering and AF. I love the much quieter > shutter. > > More noise on the sensor, less from the shutter? > > > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com > sent from i4est > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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FUNNY - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 4:31:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Noise with K7 On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > > > In all other respects, I think of the K-7 as a good step forward from the > K20D. IMO, the best improvements of the K-7 are about metering and AF. I love > the much quieter shutter. More noise on the sensor, less from the shutter? > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Noise with K7
David J Brooks wrote: If i ask anyone to take a picture of me, i put on a T shirt that say's "contrast" so the lens knows were to start. I've tried a T shirt reading "nothing to focus on" ad AF works on it too. How is that possible? Has Pentax improved AF so much? ;-)) Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: > (And thanks to the improved AF, I knew he wasn't going to stand there for > half a minute saying "nothing's happening" as it failed to lock onto > anything. Yay!) > > -Charles If i ask anyone to take a picture of me, i put on a T shirt that say's "contrast" so the lens knows were to start. Dave > > -- > Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com > Minneapolis, MN > http://charles.robinsontwins.org > http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 18, 2010, at 3:25, Dario Bonazza wrote: > > In all other respects, I think of the K-7 as a good step forward from the > K20D. IMO, the best improvements of the K-7 are about metering and AF. I love > the much quieter shutter. > I handed the K7 off to someone at a ballgame recently, to get a picture of me with the wife and kid. I didn't even know he'd taken the photo until he handed the camera back and I saw the preview. I was waiting for the shutter sound and never heard it. (And thanks to the improved AF, I knew he wasn't going to stand there for half a minute saying "nothing's happening" as it failed to lock onto anything. Yay!) -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:25 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > Dario Bonazza wrote: > >> That's my experience too. The K-7 I used for a while is at least 1/2 stop >> worse than my K20D about noise. Guilty is the 4-channel readout, I suppose. > > Another step back of the K-7 over the K20D is the button layout and operation > on the back. Worst of all is the f*g LV button, always blinding the > viewfinder and flashing the screen in my eyes as I try & change the AF point > at eye level. > It took me a while, but I eventually learned not to hit the LV button when changing focus points, but I would be happy if it wasn't there. > In all other respects, I think of the K-7 as a good step forward from the > K20D. IMO, the best improvements of the K-7 are about metering and AF. I love > the much quieter shutter. > Yes, in both focus and metering, it's a big step up from the K20D. And in the end, the more accurate metering renders it less noisy in use. Paul > Dario > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/6/18 Dario Bonazza : > Another step back of the K-7 over the K20D is the button layout and > operation on the back. Worst of all is the f*g LV button, always > blinding the viewfinder and flashing the screen in my eyes as I try & change > the AF point at eye level. LOL... ain't that the truth! Funny also that the camera is toted to work at temperatures below zero centigrade. Try operating those buttons with gloves on... -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > > > In all other respects, I think of the K-7 as a good step forward from the > K20D. IMO, the best improvements of the K-7 are about metering and AF. I love > the much quieter shutter. More noise on the sensor, less from the shutter? > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Dario Bonazza wrote: That's my experience too. The K-7 I used for a while is at least 1/2 stop worse than my K20D about noise. Guilty is the 4-channel readout, I suppose. Another step back of the K-7 over the K20D is the button layout and operation on the back. Worst of all is the f*g LV button, always blinding the viewfinder and flashing the screen in my eyes as I try & change the AF point at eye level. In all other respects, I think of the K-7 as a good step forward from the K20D. IMO, the best improvements of the K-7 are about metering and AF. I love the much quieter shutter. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb Fair enough. I've never bothered to care enough to want to find out, but the consensus on ForumsNeurotica is that the K7 is a small step backwards in noise levels, and this seems to be one of those critically important things to handwring about over there. I'm just regurgitating what I've read on the forum. That's my experience too. The K-7 I used for a while is at least 1/2 stop worse than my K20D about noise. Guilty is the 4-channel readout, I suppose. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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27...@comcast.net wrote: Has anyone noticed noise when shooting at low (100 iso) settings with their K7 ? Look at your photos at 100-200 percent and see if you notice any. I have had some photos turned down because of noise. Thanks Joe P.S. The K20 does not seem to do this. www.photo.net/photos/pjjdxn "Turned down" -- was that by iStockphoto by any chance? I submitted two photos to them, both from my K20D. They repeatedly turned one of them down even after I used copious noise-reduction and pixel-peeked over the entire surface. Their excuse was "Noise and/or artifacts". The shot they accepted was of the same subject matter, slightly different lighting, but very very similar overall. I've given them up as complete a**holes and not worth my while bothering with. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 17, 2010, at 1:47 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/6/17 William Robb : I don't think there is any doubt though that the K7 sensor is somewhat noisier than the K20 sensor, whether by less aggressive NR or otherwise I have no clue. Wonder how sample variation influence this... From the way people keep iterating this, I must have been unlucky with my K20D... My two K-7 are both better than my K20D was wrt noise. My K7 is better than my K20 in regard to noise as well. I still use both, and it's an obvious difference, slight but obvious. Paul -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "AlunFoto" Subject: Re: Noise with K7 I don't think there is any doubt though that the K7 sensor is somewhat noisier than the K20 sensor, whether by less aggressive NR or otherwise I have no clue. Wonder how sample variation influence this... From the way people keep iterating this, I must have been unlucky with my K20D... My two K-7 are both better than my K20D was wrt noise. Fair enough. I've never bothered to care enough to want to find out, but the consensus on ForumsNeurotica is that the K7 is a small step backwards in noise levels, and this seems to be one of those critically important things to handwring about over there. I'm just regurgitating what I've read on the forum. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Or may be the other way around. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/6/17 AlunFoto : > 2010/6/17 William Robb : >> >> I don't think there is any doubt though that the K7 sensor is somewhat >> noisier than the K20 sensor, whether by less aggressive NR or otherwise I >> have no clue. > > Wonder how sample variation influence this... From the way people keep > iterating this, I must have been unlucky with my K20D... My two K-7 > are both better than my K20D was wrt noise. > > > > -- > http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ > http://alunfoto.blogspot.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/6/17 William Robb : > > I don't think there is any doubt though that the K7 sensor is somewhat > noisier than the K20 sensor, whether by less aggressive NR or otherwise I > have no clue. Wonder how sample variation influence this... From the way people keep iterating this, I must have been unlucky with my K20D... My two K-7 are both better than my K20D was wrt noise. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "AlunFoto" Subject: Re: Noise with K7 A review of the K-7 in a Norwegian photo journal, concluded that the raw files are very good; Noise levels on par or better than the competition for the Mpix class. However it was also said that "Pentax raw files are not for everyone", noting that the kind of post prod operations needed was different because of the higher level of detail retained. I kinda like it that way. Buttery smoothness can be achieved when one wants it. I don't think there is any doubt though that the K7 sensor is somewhat noisier than the K20 sensor, whether by less aggressive NR or otherwise I have no clue. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "AlunFoto" Subject: Re: Noise with K7 how gloriously skilled I am as a photographer. I agree, Bill. Thanks Jostein, I try to be humble, but it is nice to have one's talents recognized by one's peers from time to time. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/6/17 William Robb : > When I crank the magnification up to 200% I can see all sorts of things that > I don't really like very much, noise being just one aspect. > Fortunately, I either make prints or web sized images, neither of which show > much of anything, other than how gloriously skilled I am as a photographer. > If noise is that much of a bug for you, invest in noise reduction software, > or else buy a camera that is more heavily invested in native noise > reduction. I agree, Bill. A review of the K-7 in a Norwegian photo journal, concluded that the raw files are very good; Noise levels on par or better than the competition for the Mpix class. However it was also said that "Pentax raw files are not for everyone", noting that the kind of post prod operations needed was different because of the higher level of detail retained. I kinda like it that way. Buttery smoothness can be achieved when one wants it. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: <27...@comcast.net> Subject: Noise with K7 Has anyone noticed noise when shooting at low (100 iso) settings with their K7 ? Look at your photos at 100-200 percent and see if you notice any. I have had some photos turned down because of noise. Thanks Joe P.S. The K20 does not seem to do this. When I crank the magnification up to 200% I can see all sorts of things that I don't really like very much, noise being just one aspect. Fortunately, I either make prints or web sized images, neither of which show much of anything, other than how gloriously skilled I am as a photographer. If noise is that much of a bug for you, invest in noise reduction software, or else buy a camera that is more heavily invested in native noise reduction. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But when you play with noise suppression, it sort of make the photo a little soft. ?? Like I said before, my k20d does not have this happen. Even my D1x does not do it and that camera is about 10-12 years old - Original Message - From: "Igor Roshchin" To: PDML@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:22:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Noise with K7 Indeed, when I switched to K7 from *istDS, my first impression that the latitude of the K7 was smaller, as the noise was showing up in the shadows. In case of underexposed images, it is harder to "push" the levels up. And despite overall more accurate exponometry of the K7, it often fails when working with the flash, - sometimes I have to do +1 or even +2 EV. On another hand, I just had a chance of trying LR3 - it has very nice noise supression tool. Igor 2010/6/17 Boris Liberman : > > Yeah, right, I notice some noise at ISO 200 in rather dark areas. It does > not bother me to the slightest, but I imagine that someone can turn a photo > down because of it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Indeed, when I switched to K7 from *istDS, my first impression that the latitude of the K7 was smaller, as the noise was showing up in the shadows. In case of underexposed images, it is harder to "push" the levels up. And despite overall more accurate exponometry of the K7, it often fails when working with the flash, - sometimes I have to do +1 or even +2 EV. On another hand, I just had a chance of trying LR3 - it has very nice noise supression tool. Igor 2010/6/17 Boris Liberman : > > Yeah, right, I notice some noise at ISO 200 in rather dark areas. It does > not bother me to the slightest, but I imagine that someone can turn a photo > down because of it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/6/17 Boris Liberman : > > Yeah, right, I notice some noise at ISO 200 in rather dark areas. It does > not bother me to the slightest, but I imagine that someone can turn a photo > down because of it. I convinced a friend to buy a K-7 and he has been complaining of precisely that, now that you guys mention it. He keeps telling me that the dark areas look crappy compared to his six years old nikon p&s... he made me look at a number of his images and I can't say I found it bothersome in the least cheers ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/17/2010 1:45 PM, 27...@comcast.net wrote: Has anyone noticed noise when shooting at low (100 iso) settings with their K7 ? Look at your photos at 100-200 percent and see if you notice any. I have had some photos turned down because of noise. Thanks Joe P.S. The K20 does not seem to do this. www.photo.net/photos/pjjdxn Yeah, right, I notice some noise at ISO 200 in rather dark areas. It does not bother me to the slightest, but I imagine that someone can turn a photo down because of it. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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<27...@comcast.net> wrote: > Has anyone noticed noise when shooting at low (100 iso) settings > with their K7 ? > Look at your photos at 100-200 percent and see if you notice any. > I have had some photos turned down because of noise. Ask this in the German Pentax discussion forum and they'll gladly explain to you that this not noise but a sign of the K-7's high resolution, more like film grain and hence to be seen as something positive... Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
