Re: PESO: Panorama ever so often
Jens Bladt wrote: Hello list I saw and photographed this rather cold scenery today. BTW: No Java, no Flash, no QuickTime, no nonsence! Just plain HTML (AFAIK): http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile9.html Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk Jens, I think you are becoming a panorama expert. More surprise to come no doubt. Manuel
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Thanks, Manuel. Yes, more sunrises, no doubt ;-) Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Manuel Magalhães [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 14. februar 2006 20:01 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO: Panorama ever so often Jens Bladt wrote: Hello list I saw and photographed this rather cold scenery today. BTW: No Java, no Flash, no QuickTime, no nonsence! Just plain HTML (AFAIK): http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile9.html Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk Jens, I think you are becoming a panorama expert. More surprise to come no doubt. Manuel
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Nice. A little more cyan than I'd like, but the cool tones work. Godfrey On Feb 12, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: Hello list I saw and photographed this rather cold scenery today. BTW: No Java, no Flash, no QuickTime, no nonsence! Just plain HTML (AFAIK): http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile9.html
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Hi! It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html Jens, you got Julia's head spinning... I am not that weak, but with enough time spent against this work, my head would be spinning too... Excellent. Boris
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I totally disagree with John and Shel. I love creating panorama's and converting them to webversions or big (framed) prints. This is photography and not the latest technological snapshot gadget for geeks. And yes it's technical challenging like photography used to be (or should be). If you like to try, install and maybe flame the latest panorama plugins (like qtvr, shockwave, java, SPiV): http://360.leende.net. On 2/1/06, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Shel - it's technology for its own sake. And not only that - it's not even all that good from a technological standpoint.
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No one said that there was anything wrong with panoramas, just the way in which Jens presented this particular panorama. I'll stand by my original statements, in fact, I'll succinctly reiterate: it sucks! As you said, it's the latest technological snapshot gadget for geeks. Thanks for the offer to try that crap, but I'll pass. BTW, I don't see your panoramas spinning around, but I didn't look at all of them. The two I looked at were nicely done. Shel [Original Message] From: Toine Kuiper I totally disagree with John and Shel. I love creating panorama's and converting them to webversions or big (framed) prints. This is photography and not the latest technological snapshot gadget for geeks. And yes it's technical challenging like photography used to be (or should be). If you like to try, install and maybe flame the latest panorama plugins (like qtvr, shockwave, java, SPiV): http://360.leende.net. On 2/1/06, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Shel - it's technology for its own sake. And not only that - it's not even all that good from a technological standpoint.
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In a message dated 1/30/2006 11:19:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk = Very nice shot, Jens, er shots. :-) And not a bad presentation, after I waited for it to load, that is. Must have taken some work to shoot all that, well done. Marnie aka Doe
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On Jan 31, 2006, at 10:53 PM, David Mann wrote: The dynamic cylindrical presentation works pretty well for me, although I'd like to be able to slow it down. It's equivalent to making a very very large/long print and mounting it in a circular display, walking around inside it. For this particular one you can click on the image and drag it back and forth. I found that by accident (and I do like that feature). I experimented with that and found it a little disconcerting ... either not sensitive enough or too sensitive to mouse movement. I'd enjoy being able to set a very slow rotation and just spend time looking at the image as it passes by. Godfrey
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The panorama can be stoped - 4th button from the right. Then turned very slowly (as slowly as you like) using the mouse. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 1. februar 2006 17:38 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) On Jan 31, 2006, at 10:53 PM, David Mann wrote: The dynamic cylindrical presentation works pretty well for me, although I'd like to be able to slow it down. It's equivalent to making a very very large/long print and mounting it in a circular display, walking around inside it. For this particular one you can click on the image and drag it back and forth. I found that by accident (and I do like that feature). I experimented with that and found it a little disconcerting ... either not sensitive enough or too sensitive to mouse movement. I'd enjoy being able to set a very slow rotation and just spend time looking at the image as it passes by. Godfrey
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I'm just getting blue background, title, some link to the software, the picture information and your email link. No picture or link to it. PC/2000/NS7.2 mike From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/31 Tue AM 07:18:25 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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Lovely shot, Jens, Even shooting straight into the sun, that part of the pano is crisp and clear. D mike wilson wrote: I'm just getting blue background, title, some link to the software, the picture information and your email link. No picture or link to it. PC/2000/NS7.2 mike From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/31 Tue AM 07:18:25 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc
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I got it. A nicely executed 360 degree panorama. Makes me shiver :-), although it's probably colder here in Michigan on average. Good work. Paul On Jan 31, 2006, at 4:02 AM, mike wilson wrote: I'm just getting blue background, title, some link to the software, the picture information and your email link. No picture or link to it. PC/2000/NS7.2 mike From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/31 Tue AM 07:18:25 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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On 1/31/06, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html Regards I refuse to look at a photo that tells me to download a plug-in before I can look at it. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Me too although I already had the plug-in, and did look at the pic. It's a moving panorama, and it drove me nuts. Had to shut it down, in part because it moved and I couldn't see details of any one area, and in part it made me dizzy. It was like looking at a scene while spinning around ... ugh! IMO, it's not a photograph but a movie, and it's one of those things that is done because technology allows it to be done. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault I refuse to look at a photo that tells me to download a plug-in before I can look at it. On 1/31/06, Jens Bladt wrote: It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html
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Hmmm... There is a button to stop it moving... It is a photgraph - not flat but cylindrical... Internet pictures arent really photographs, they are computer files... Java is today a standard feature in a large number of corpotate computers, just like Acrobat Reader, mediaplayers etc... Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:06 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Me too although I already had the plug-in, and did look at the pic. It's a moving panorama, and it drove me nuts. Had to shut it down, in part because it moved and I couldn't see details of any one area, and in part it made me dizzy. It was like looking at a scene while spinning around ... ugh! IMO, it's not a photograph but a movie, and it's one of those things that is done because technology allows it to be done. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault I refuse to look at a photo that tells me to download a plug-in before I can look at it. On 1/31/06, Jens Bladt wrote: It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html
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I clicked on all the buttons, and couldn't get it to stop, only reverse direction. Maybe my Java's not up to date. I don't care - I'm not downloading any more junk like that to my computer. Anyway, this isn't a corporate computer ... You say it's a photograph, and then you say it's not a photograph but a file. Is it one or the other, or both? ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt Hmmm... There is a button to stop it moving... It is a photgraph - not flat but cylindrical... Internet pictures arent really photographs, they are computer files... Java is today a standard feature in a large number of corpotate computers, just like Acrobat Reader, mediaplayers etc... Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:06 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Me too although I already had the plug-in, and did look at the pic. It's a moving panorama, and it drove me nuts. Had to shut it down, in part because it moved and I couldn't see details of any one area, and in part it made me dizzy. It was like looking at a scene while spinning around ... ugh! IMO, it's not a photograph but a movie, and it's one of those things that is done because technology allows it to be done. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault I refuse to look at a photo that tells me to download a plug-in before I can look at it. On 1/31/06, Jens Bladt wrote: It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html
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Both, naturally. I took a photograph (and stores it as a computer file, which can be reproduced as a photograph). Then turned it into a file in an application, that just shows a part of it - which part changes a little bit every second. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:39 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I clicked on all the buttons, and couldn't get it to stop, only reverse direction. Maybe my Java's not up to date. I don't care - I'm not downloading any more junk like that to my computer. Anyway, this isn't a corporate computer ... You say it's a photograph, and then you say it's not a photograph but a file. Is it one or the other, or both? ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt Hmmm... There is a button to stop it moving... It is a photgraph - not flat but cylindrical... Internet pictures arent really photographs, they are computer files... Java is today a standard feature in a large number of corpotate computers, just like Acrobat Reader, mediaplayers etc... Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:06 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Me too although I already had the plug-in, and did look at the pic. It's a moving panorama, and it drove me nuts. Had to shut it down, in part because it moved and I couldn't see details of any one area, and in part it made me dizzy. It was like looking at a scene while spinning around ... ugh! IMO, it's not a photograph but a movie, and it's one of those things that is done because technology allows it to be done. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault I refuse to look at a photo that tells me to download a plug-in before I can look at it. On 1/31/06, Jens Bladt wrote: It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html
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I don't understand the point of what you're doing. It would be simpler to have a panorama that one could scroll through, left to right. It seems like an exercise in technology more than anything else. Speaking for myself, the viewing experience is awful and not at all satisfying. This thing that you've done takes forever to download on a dialup connection, requires plugins that, obviously, some people don't have, or which are not up to date, plus, Java dumps a bunch of hidden files onto the user's computer. Most people may not know that, and some may not want that (I certainly don't) for any number of reasons. I know where they are and clean out the files every now and then, but others may not have that knowledge. While I'm sure you don't care one way or the other, but I won't be viewing your panoramas again. It's quite possible a number of other people won't see your good work because the technology to view the files limits or excludes them for doing so. Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 1/31/2006 10:37:37 AM Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Both, naturally. I took a photograph (and stores it as a computer file, which can be reproduced as a photograph). Then turned it into a file in an application, that just shows a part of it - which part changes a little bit every second. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:39 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I clicked on all the buttons, and couldn't get it to stop, only reverse direction. Maybe my Java's not up to date. I don't care - I'm not downloading any more junk like that to my computer. Anyway, this isn't a corporate computer ... You say it's a photograph, and then you say it's not a photograph but a file. Is it one or the other, or both? ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt Hmmm... There is a button to stop it moving... It is a photgraph - not flat but cylindrical... Internet pictures arent really photographs, they are computer files... Java is today a standard feature in a large number of corpotate computers, just like Acrobat Reader, mediaplayers etc... Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:06 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Me too although I already had the plug-in, and did look at the pic. It's a moving panorama, and it drove me nuts. Had to shut it down, in part because it moved and I couldn't see details of any one area, and in part it made me dizzy. It was like looking at a scene while spinning around ... ugh! IMO, it's not a photograph but a movie, and it's one of those things that is done because technology allows it to be done. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault I refuse to look at a photo that tells me to download a plug-in before I can look at it. On 1/31/06, Jens Bladt wrote: It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html
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I understand Shel's unhappiness here, but I found Jens' panorama quite interesting and well done. And I believe it's perfectly appropriate to offer it as a PESO. Those who wish to view it will do so. Those who would prefer not to look at it. won't. But I think it's wrong to dismiss it as junk. It's not junk. It's the same view one would have if one stood in the road and turned 360 degrees in order to take in the full landscape. It's a photograph, although a new type of photograph that depends on the availability of certain technology. I don't think digital photographic exploration should be reduced to the lowest common denominator: i.e. don't do it if it requires any new technology to implement. Broadband and java aren't exactly day after tomorrow. They're in general use by a large majority of internet users. Paul -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't understand the point of what you're doing. It would be simpler to have a panorama that one could scroll through, left to right. It seems like an exercise in technology more than anything else. Speaking for myself, the viewing experience is awful and not at all satisfying. This thing that you've done takes forever to download on a dialup connection, requires plugins that, obviously, some people don't have, or which are not up to date, plus, Java dumps a bunch of hidden files onto the user's computer. Most people may not know that, and some may not want that (I certainly don't) for any number of reasons. I know where they are and clean out the files every now and then, but others may not have that knowledge. While I'm sure you don't care one way or the other, but I won't be viewing your panoramas again. It's quite possible a number of other people won't see your good work because the technology to view the files limits or excludes them for doing so. Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 1/31/2006 10:37:37 AM Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Both, naturally. I took a photograph (and stores it as a computer file, which can be reproduced as a photograph). Then turned it into a file in an application, that just shows a part of it - which part changes a little bit every second. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:39 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I clicked on all the buttons, and couldn't get it to stop, only reverse direction. Maybe my Java's not up to date. I don't care - I'm not downloading any more junk like that to my computer. Anyway, this isn't a corporate computer ... You say it's a photograph, and then you say it's not a photograph but a file. Is it one or the other, or both? ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt Hmmm... There is a button to stop it moving... It is a photgraph - not flat but cylindrical... Internet pictures arent really photographs, they are computer files... Java is today a standard feature in a large number of corpotate computers, just like Acrobat Reader, mediaplayers etc... Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:06 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Me too although I already had the plug-in, and did look at the pic. It's a moving panorama, and it drove me nuts. Had to shut it down, in part because it moved and I couldn't see details of any one area, and in part it made me dizzy. It was like looking at a scene while spinning around ... ugh! IMO, it's not a photograph but a movie, and it's one of those things that is done because technology allows it to be done. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault I refuse to look at a photo that tells me to download a plug-in before I can look at it. On 1/31/06, Jens Bladt wrote: It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html
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Shel I'm sure we all appreciate that we (to some extend) live in a free world, that gives us choises. Some people want Quicktime panoramas, others want java panoramas, some don't want any. That's fine with me. Your suggestion about a scrollable panorama is actually a very good idea, I think. But I dont know how to make this. I have chosen rotation panoramas for three reasons: 1) A panorama compensates for very wide wide angle lensess (I didn't ivent panoramas, they have been arround for a long time) 2) Rotating panoramas makes it possible to show a very slim (or long) photograph on a computer screen in an exceptable enlargement. 3) As an architect/planner I want to be able to show a certain location and alll the views from this location. What you are suggesting can do this as well - perhaps in a less annoying way. Do you know of a tool that can do this, please let me know. I'm interested! Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 20:25 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I don't understand the point of what you're doing. It would be simpler to have a panorama that one could scroll through, left to right. It seems like an exercise in technology more than anything else. Speaking for myself, the viewing experience is awful and not at all satisfying. This thing that you've done takes forever to download on a dialup connection, requires plugins that, obviously, some people don't have, or which are not up to date, plus, Java dumps a bunch of hidden files onto the user's computer. Most people may not know that, and some may not want that (I certainly don't) for any number of reasons. I know where they are and clean out the files every now and then, but others may not have that knowledge. While I'm sure you don't care one way or the other, but I won't be viewing your panoramas again. It's quite possible a number of other people won't see your good work because the technology to view the files limits or excludes them for doing so. Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 1/31/2006 10:37:37 AM Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Both, naturally. I took a photograph (and stores it as a computer file, which can be reproduced as a photograph). Then turned it into a file in an application, that just shows a part of it - which part changes a little bit every second. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:39 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I clicked on all the buttons, and couldn't get it to stop, only reverse direction. Maybe my Java's not up to date. I don't care - I'm not downloading any more junk like that to my computer. Anyway, this isn't a corporate computer ... You say it's a photograph, and then you say it's not a photograph but a file. Is it one or the other, or both? ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt Hmmm... There is a button to stop it moving... It is a photgraph - not flat but cylindrical... Internet pictures arent really photographs, they are computer files... Java is today a standard feature in a large number of corpotate computers, just like Acrobat Reader, mediaplayers etc... Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:06 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Me too although I already had the plug-in, and did look at the pic. It's a moving panorama, and it drove me nuts. Had to shut it down, in part because it moved and I couldn't see details of any one area, and in part it made me dizzy. It was like looking at a scene while spinning around ... ugh! IMO, it's not a photograph but a movie, and it's one of those things that is done because technology allows it to be done. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault I refuse to look at a photo that tells me to download a plug-in before I can look at it. On 1/31/06, Jens Bladt wrote: It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html
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Thanks, Paul. I agree. Well put :-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 20:43 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I understand Shel's unhappiness here, but I found Jens' panorama quite interesting and well done. And I believe it's perfectly appropriate to offer it as a PESO. Those who wish to view it will do so. Those who would prefer not to look at it. won't. But I think it's wrong to dismiss it as junk. It's not junk. It's the same view one would have if one stood in the road and turned 360 degrees in order to take in the full landscape. It's a photograph, although a new type of photograph that depends on the availability of certain technology. I don't think digital photographic exploration should be reduced to the lowest common denominator: i.e. don't do it if it requires any new technology to implement. Broadband and java aren't exactly day after tomorrow. They're in general use by a large majority of internet users. Paul -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't understand the point of what you're doing. It would be simpler to have a panorama that one could scroll through, left to right. It seems like an exercise in technology more than anything else. Speaking for myself, the viewing experience is awful and not at all satisfying. This thing that you've done takes forever to download on a dialup connection, requires plugins that, obviously, some people don't have, or which are not up to date, plus, Java dumps a bunch of hidden files onto the user's computer. Most people may not know that, and some may not want that (I certainly don't) for any number of reasons. I know where they are and clean out the files every now and then, but others may not have that knowledge. While I'm sure you don't care one way or the other, but I won't be viewing your panoramas again. It's quite possible a number of other people won't see your good work because the technology to view the files limits or excludes them for doing so. Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 1/31/2006 10:37:37 AM Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Both, naturally. I took a photograph (and stores it as a computer file, which can be reproduced as a photograph). Then turned it into a file in an application, that just shows a part of it - which part changes a little bit every second. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:39 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I clicked on all the buttons, and couldn't get it to stop, only reverse direction. Maybe my Java's not up to date. I don't care - I'm not downloading any more junk like that to my computer. Anyway, this isn't a corporate computer ... You say it's a photograph, and then you say it's not a photograph but a file. Is it one or the other, or both? ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt Hmmm... There is a button to stop it moving... It is a photgraph - not flat but cylindrical... Internet pictures arent really photographs, they are computer files... Java is today a standard feature in a large number of corpotate computers, just like Acrobat Reader, mediaplayers etc... Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:06 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Me too although I already had the plug-in, and did look at the pic. It's a moving panorama, and it drove me nuts. Had to shut it down, in part because it moved and I couldn't see details of any one area, and in part it made me dizzy. It was like looking at a scene while spinning around ... ugh! IMO, it's not a photograph but a movie, and it's one of those things that is done because technology allows it to be done. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault I refuse to look at a photo that tells me to download a plug-in before I can look at it. On 1/31/06, Jens Bladt wrote: It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html
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Sure we live in a free world ... and you can present your photos and files in any way you choose. It's just my own situation that makes viewing them difficult, but I also know that there are others on the list that will be excluded from seeing your work as well. I don't know much about panorama tools other than to note that several other panoramas have been presented her using different programs. Rob Studdert is probably our resident pano expert. I just look at 'em. Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 1/31/2006 11:51:03 AM Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Shel I'm sure we all appreciate that we (to some extend) live in a free world, that gives us choises. Some people want Quicktime panoramas, others want java panoramas, some don't want any. That's fine with me. Your suggestion about a scrollable panorama is actually a very good idea, I think. But I dont know how to make this. I have chosen rotation panoramas for three reasons: 1) A panorama compensates for very wide wide angle lensess (I didn't ivent panoramas, they have been arround for a long time) 2) Rotating panoramas makes it possible to show a very slim (or long) photograph on a computer screen in an exceptable enlargement. 3) As an architect/planner I want to be able to show a certain location and alll the views from this location. What you are suggesting can do this as well - perhaps in a less annoying way. Do you know of a tool that can do this, please let me know. I'm interested! Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 20:25 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I don't understand the point of what you're doing. It would be simpler to have a panorama that one could scroll through, left to right. It seems like an exercise in technology more than anything else. Speaking for myself, the viewing experience is awful and not at all satisfying. This thing that you've done takes forever to download on a dialup connection, requires plugins that, obviously, some people don't have, or which are not up to date, plus, Java dumps a bunch of hidden files onto the user's computer. Most people may not know that, and some may not want that (I certainly don't) for any number of reasons. I know where they are and clean out the files every now and then, but others may not have that knowledge. While I'm sure you don't care one way or the other, but I won't be viewing your panoramas again. It's quite possible a number of other people won't see your good work because the technology to view the files limits or excludes them for doing so. Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 1/31/2006 10:37:37 AM Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Both, naturally. I took a photograph (and stores it as a computer file, which can be reproduced as a photograph). Then turned it into a file in an application, that just shows a part of it - which part changes a little bit every second. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:39 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I clicked on all the buttons, and couldn't get it to stop, only reverse direction. Maybe my Java's not up to date. I don't care - I'm not downloading any more junk like that to my computer. Anyway, this isn't a corporate computer ... You say it's a photograph, and then you say it's not a photograph but a file. Is it one or the other, or both? ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt Hmmm... There is a button to stop it moving... It is a photgraph - not flat but cylindrical... Internet pictures arent really photographs, they are computer files... Java is today a standard feature in a large number of corpotate computers, just like Acrobat Reader, mediaplayers etc... Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 18:06 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Me too although I already had the plug-in, and did look at the pic. It's a moving panorama, and it drove me nuts. Had to shut it down, in part because it moved and I couldn't see details of any one area, and in part it made me dizzy. It was like looking at a scene while spinning around ... ugh! IMO, it's not a photograph but a movie, and it's one of those things that is done because technology allows it to be done. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault I refuse to look at a photo
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I think the polite approach to such a thing might be to offer the viewer a choice, rather than launching straight into the Java stuff and a moving panorama. The key to usability is handing over control to the user, not having the machine (or, more accurately, the programmer) make the user's decisions. Personally, I rather like the panorama, but I also like to be the person who decides what my machine does. It's the difference between driving a car, and catching a bus. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 January 2006 19:43 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I understand Shel's unhappiness here, but I found Jens' panorama quite interesting and well done. And I believe it's perfectly appropriate to offer it as a PESO. Those who wish to view it will do so. Those who would prefer not to look at it. won't. But I think it's wrong to dismiss it as junk. It's not junk. It's the same view one would have if one stood in the road and turned 360 degrees in order to take in the full landscape. It's a photograph, although a new type of photograph that depends on the availability of certain technology. I don't think digital photographic exploration should be reduced to the lowest common denominator: i.e. don't do it if it requires any new technology to implement. Broadband and java aren't exactly day after tomorrow. They're in general use by a large majority of internet users. Paul
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Who said it was junk? Who said it is inappropriate to offer it as a PESO? If you're implying that I said that, or that anyone here said that, the implication is dead wrong, and I am somewhat miffed at the idea that you think I said or implied any such thing. In fact, quite the contrary - I said it was good work. Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 1/31/2006 11:46:28 AM Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I understand Shel's unhappiness here, but I found Jens' panorama quite interesting and well done. And I believe it's perfectly appropriate to offer it as a PESO. Those who wish to view it will do so. Those who would prefer not to look at it. won't. But I think it's wrong to dismiss it as junk. It's not junk. It's the same view one would have if one stood in the road and turned 360 degrees in order to take in the full landscape. It's a photograph, although a new type of photograph that depends on the availability of certain technology. I don't think digital photographic exploration should be reduced to the lowest common denominator: i.e. don't do it if it requires any new technology to implement. Broadband and java aren't exactly day after tomorrow. They're in general use by a large majority of internet users. Paul -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't understand the point of what you're doing. It would be simpler to have a panorama that one could scroll through, left to right. It seems like an exercise in technology more than anything else. Speaking for myself, the viewing experience is awful and not at all satisfying. This thing that you've done takes forever to download on a dialup connection, requires plugins that, obviously, some people don't have, or which are not up to date, plus, Java dumps a bunch of hidden files onto the user's computer. Most people may not know that, and some may not want that (I certainly don't) for any number of reasons. I know where they are and clean out the files every now and then, but others may not have that knowledge. While I'm sure you don't care one way or the other, but I won't be viewing your panoramas again. It's quite possible a number of other people won't see your good work because the technology to view the files limits or excludes them for doing so.
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Sorry 'bout that, Mike. You must be missig the last part of the URL. Try this: http://tinyurl.com/77b3v Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 10:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I'm just getting blue background, title, some link to the software, the picture information and your email link. No picture or link to it. PC/2000/NS7.2 mike From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/31 Tue AM 07:18:25 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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Maybe he needs Java? Jostein - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:03 PM Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Sorry 'bout that, Mike. You must be missig the last part of the URL. Try this: http://tinyurl.com/77b3v Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 10:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I'm just getting blue background, title, some link to the software, the picture information and your email link. No picture or link to it. PC/2000/NS7.2 mike From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/31 Tue AM 07:18:25 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) What you are suggesting can do this as well - perhaps in a less annoying way. Do you know of a tool that can do this, please let me know. I'm interested! Why not just stitch your panorama together and put it up as a jpeg file on an html page, just like an ordinary picture. It will be wider than most screens, but can be maneuvered through with sideways scrolling. William Robb
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Jostein wrote: Maybe he needs Java? Jostein Indeed. No java enabled on my machines. Not allowed at work and I am not happy having it on my home machines. I also don't allow tinyurl to send me ads, so that doesn't work either. Sorry, Jens, but I'm out. - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:03 PM Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) Sorry 'bout that, Mike. You must be missig the last part of the URL. Try this: http://tinyurl.com/77b3v Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. januar 2006 10:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I'm just getting blue background, title, some link to the software, the picture information and your email link. No picture or link to it. PC/2000/NS7.2 mike From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/31 Tue AM 07:18:25 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: Who said it was junk? Who said it is inappropriate to offer it as a PESO? If you're implying that I said that, or that anyone here said that, the implication is dead wrong, and I am somewhat miffed at the idea that you think I said or implied any such thing. In fact, quite the contrary - I said it was good work. Shel Someone has miisread this, where you were (I think) talking about java: == I clicked on all the buttons, and couldn't get it to stop, only reverse direction. Maybe my Java's not up to date. I don't care - I'm not downloading any more junk like that to my computer. Anyway, this isn't a corporate computer ... === [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 1/31/2006 11:46:28 AM Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I understand Shel's unhappiness here, but I found Jens' panorama quite interesting and well done. And I believe it's perfectly appropriate to offer it as a PESO. Those who wish to view it will do so. Those who would prefer not to look at it. won't. But I think it's wrong to dismiss it as junk. It's not junk. It's the same view one would have if one stood in the road and turned 360 degrees in order to take in the full landscape. It's a photograph, although a new type of photograph that depends on the availability of certain technology. I don't think digital photographic exploration should be reduced to the lowest common denominator: i.e. don't do it if it requires any new technology to implement. Broadband and java aren't exactly day after tomorrow. They're in general use by a large majority of internet users. Paul -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't understand the point of what you're doing. It would be simpler to have a panorama that one could scroll through, left to right. It seems like an exercise in technology more than anything else. Speaking for myself, the viewing experience is awful and not at all satisfying. This thing that you've done takes forever to download on a dialup connection, requires plugins that, obviously, some people don't have, or which are not up to date, plus, Java dumps a bunch of hidden files onto the user's computer. Most people may not know that, and some may not want that (I certainly don't) for any number of reasons. I know where they are and clean out the files every now and then, but others may not have that knowledge. While I'm sure you don't care one way or the other, but I won't be viewing your panoramas again. It's quite possible a number of other people won't see your good work because the technology to view the files limits or excludes them for doing so.
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On 31 Jan 2006 at 16:25, William Robb wrote: Why not just stitch your panorama together and put it up as a jpeg file on an html page, just like an ordinary picture. It will be wider than most screens, but can be maneuvered through with sideways scrolling. It's hard to please everybody in the presentation of pano shots. The best way is to provide the pano in two forms of dynamic display ie java based player like Jens used plus a QTVR mov file and along side these a plain old jpeg. The problem is that some images appear too distorted when projected flat particularly when the vertical AOV is great and web space requirements can virtually triple (depending on whether the java player can share the jpg). Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Yes, I misunderstood. You were apparently labeling java as junk. My apologies. Paul On Jan 31, 2006, at 5:28 PM, mike wilson wrote: Shel Belinkoff wrote: Who said it was junk? Who said it is inappropriate to offer it as a PESO? If you're implying that I said that, or that anyone here said that, the implication is dead wrong, and I am somewhat miffed at the idea that you think I said or implied any such thing. In fact, quite the contrary - I said it was good work. Shel Someone has miisread this, where you were (I think) talking about java: === === I clicked on all the buttons, and couldn't get it to stop, only reverse direction. Maybe my Java's not up to date. I don't care - I'm not downloading any more junk like that to my computer. Anyway, this isn't a corporate computer ... === [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 1/31/2006 11:46:28 AM Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I understand Shel's unhappiness here, but I found Jens' panorama quite interesting and well done. And I believe it's perfectly appropriate to offer it as a PESO. Those who wish to view it will do so. Those who would prefer not to look at it. won't. But I think it's wrong to dismiss it as junk. It's not junk. It's the same view one would have if one stood in the road and turned 360 degrees in order to take in the full landscape. It's a photograph, although a new type of photograph that depends on the availability of certain technology. I don't think digital photographic exploration should be reduced to the lowest common denominator: i.e. don't do it if it requires any new technology to implement. Broadband and java aren't exactly day after tomorrow. They're in general use by a large majority of internet users. Paul -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't understand the point of what you're doing. It would be simpler to have a panorama that one could scroll through, left to right. It seems like an exercise in technology more than anything else. Speaking for myself, the viewing experience is awful and not at all satisfying. This thing that you've done takes forever to download on a dialup connection, requires plugins that, obviously, some people don't have, or which are not up to date, plus, Java dumps a bunch of hidden files onto the user's computer. Most people may not know that, and some may not want that (I certainly don't) for any number of reasons. I know where they are and clean out the files every now and then, but others may not have that knowledge. While I'm sure you don't care one way or the other, but I won't be viewing your panoramas again. It's quite possible a number of other people won't see your good work because the technology to view the files limits or excludes them for doing so.
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On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 11:25:25AM -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I don't understand the point of what you're doing. It would be simpler to have a panorama that one could scroll through, left to right. It seems like an exercise in technology more than anything else. Speaking for myself, the viewing experience is awful and not at all satisfying. This thing that you've done takes forever to download on a dialup connection, requires plugins that, obviously, some people don't have, or which are not up to date, plus, Java dumps a bunch of hidden files onto the user's computer. Most people may not know that, and some may not want that (I certainly don't) for any number of reasons. I know where they are and clean out the files every now and then, but others may not have that knowledge. It's worse than that - if you have other Javascript applications loaded (such as, for example, the rather nice Yahoo! widgets photoframe) then you get terrible visual artifacts - the panorama window flashes on and off, alternating with your other Javascript-driven display. I find this to be even more annoying (and rather worse design) than any of the ghastly flash-driven websites people often complain of. I agree with Shel - it's technology for its own sake. And not only that - it's not even all that good from a technological standpoint.
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Ahh, yes - that was a specific reference to Java and assorted other such plug-ins. Thanks for clarifying that. Shel [Original Message] From: mike wilson Shel Belinkoff wrote: Who said it was junk? Who said it is inappropriate to offer it as a PESO? If you're implying that I said that, or that anyone here said that, the implication is dead wrong, and I am somewhat miffed at the idea that you think I said or implied any such thing. In fact, quite the contrary - I said it was good work. Shel Someone has miisread this, where you were (I think) talking about java: == I clicked on all the buttons, and couldn't get it to stop, only reverse direction. Maybe my Java's not up to date. I don't care - I'm not downloading any more junk like that to my computer. Anyway, this isn't a corporate computer ... === [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 1/31/2006 11:46:28 AM Subject: RE: PESO: (Panorama Ever So Often) I understand Shel's unhappiness here, but I found Jens' panorama quite interesting and well done. And I believe it's perfectly appropriate to offer it as a PESO. Those who wish to view it will do so. Those who would prefer not to look at it. won't. But I think it's wrong to dismiss it as junk. It's not junk.
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neat! it would get me dizzy if I left it running for too long, but i like it. Godfrey On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:18 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: It's winter in Denmark: http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile6.html Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk
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BTW: There's a big difference between javascript (a pseudo-universal scripting language that is quasi-supported in most modern browsers, modeled on Java language syntax) and Java (an object oriented language with C-language-derivative syntax that loads virtual image applets onto an underlying virtual machine interpreter). Jens' panorama is displayed using a real Java applet. As to the aesthetics of viewing panoramas ... in general, I find most presentations for anything with a more oblong proportion than about 4:1 very difficult to view on any flat screen in a still-image representation. Either there is too much distortion or the image just isn't tall enough, even on a cinema format 20 screen. Some do manage to work well, but they're few and far between. Similarly, scrolling around an image larger than the screen is really bothersome and does not allow one to take the image in as a piece. The dynamic cylindrical presentation works pretty well for me, although I'd like to be able to slow it down. It's equivalent to making a very very large/long print and mounting it in a circular display, walking around inside it. Just some of my thoughts on the topics of discussion in this thread. My system comes with a pretty good Java language interpreter embedded in the OS and integrated with the rest of the applications and tools, so there's very little burden other than the download size of the applet. Godfrey ... who worked for Sun Microsystems for a couple of years, managing the design of one of the Java language platforms, Java Card ...
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On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: As to the aesthetics of viewing panoramas ... in general, I find most presentations for anything with a more oblong proportion than about 4:1 very difficult to view on any flat screen in a still- image representation. 3:1 is about my limit, but not just for viewing difficulties. I just don't find ultra-mega-wide formats to be aesthetically pleasing as everything ends up being squashed into one dimension. When I was shooting pans a few years ago I found them very difficult to compose. Last time I went out with a panorama mask in the finder I ended up shooting everything full-frame. The 360-degree viewers that people use are good in a way: they show you a scrollable cropped version of the full image which also loops around at the edges. It's a little closer to being there. The dynamic cylindrical presentation works pretty well for me, although I'd like to be able to slow it down. It's equivalent to making a very very large/long print and mounting it in a circular display, walking around inside it. For this particular one you can click on the image and drag it back and forth. I found that by accident (and I do like that feature). - Dave http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/ http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
