Re: RE: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
Thanks, Tim. Jocelyn is not a model by any means. She's my girlfriend, and my frequent subject for class assignments. :) I was completeing an assignment on window lighting. I was using the A50/1.7 at 5.6 and 1/200s. Mike On 10/4/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A fine portrait IMO. I like the light and the pose. She seems comfortable with situation. Is she a pro model? I'm just curious about the situation of the shoot. BTW: What lens and what stop? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hamilton Sent: 3. oktober 2006 01:50 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocelynshort5-1window.jpg I've been taking a portraiture course through my local community college. This was for an assignment. I was using window light only. I have other shots using off-camera flash as a fill, but this was by far the best photo of the session. :) Any tips? comments? Thanks. mike -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
A fine portrait IMO. I like the light and the pose. She seems comfortable with situation. Is she a pro model? I'm just curious about the situation of the shoot. BTW: What lens and what stop? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hamilton Sent: 3. oktober 2006 01:50 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocelynshort5-1window.jpg I've been taking a portraiture course through my local community college. This was for an assignment. I was using window light only. I have other shots using off-camera flash as a fill, but this was by far the best photo of the session. :) Any tips? comments? Thanks. mike -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
Nice job. Which college are you doing this at Mike. I'v been looking for years. Dave Quoting Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocelynshort5-1window.jpg I've been taking a portraiture course through my local community college. This was for an assignment. I was using window light only. I have other shots using off-camera flash as a fill, but this was by far the best photo of the session. :) Any tips? comments? Thanks. mike -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
Metro Community College in Edmonton. Peter Sellers is the instructor. He's realy good at teaching, as well as Photography. I've really enjoyed it. Mike On 10/3/06, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice job. Which college are you doing this at Mike. I'v been looking for years. Dave Quoting Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocelynshort5-1window.jpg I've been taking a portraiture course through my local community college. This was for an assignment. I was using window light only. I have other shots using off-camera flash as a fill, but this was by far the best photo of the session. :) Any tips? comments? Thanks. mike -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
Oh, i thought you were in Ontario, sorry. Which accent is Paeter using.;-) Dave Quoting Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Metro Community College in Edmonton. Peter Sellers is the instructor. He's realy good at teaching, as well as Photography. I've really enjoyed it. Mike On 10/3/06, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice job. Which college are you doing this at Mike. I'v been looking for years. Dave Quoting Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocelynshort5-1window.jpg I've been taking a portraiture course through my local community college. This was for an assignment. I was using window light only. I have other shots using off-camera flash as a fill, but this was by far the best photo of the session. :) Any tips? comments? Thanks. mike -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
Bluebottle. Dave On 10/3/06, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, i thought you were in Ontario, sorry. Which accent is Paeter using.;-) Dave Quoting Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Metro Community College in Edmonton. Peter Sellers is the instructor. He's realy good at teaching, as well as Photography. I've really enjoyed it. Mike On 10/3/06, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice job. Which college are you doing this at Mike. I'v been looking for years. Dave Quoting Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocelynshort5-1window.jpg I've been taking a portraiture course through my local community college. This was for an assignment. I was using window light only. I have other shots using off-camera flash as a fill, but this was by far the best photo of the session. :) Any tips? comments? Thanks. mike -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
On 10/2/06, Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've since taken everyone's suggestions to heart and sharpened the eyes a bit to bring them out. I also reduced the appearance of the labret scar. Sadly, there was no PS tool to raise the height of my camera in relation to the subject... ;) I generally like it a lot - it's far better than I could do (I'm no portraitist). One thing that I thought when I first looked at it is that the eyes seemed unnaturally sharp, at least compared to the rest of her face. I thought I'd look down the thread to see what others had to say about it, and I now see that you sharpened the eyes. While I agree that the eyes must be what one focuses on in such formal portraiture, to me this makes it look a tad contrived. Were the eyes actually sharp, I'd be saying that I'd prefer an ever so slightly wider dof than you had. Keep in mind that I'm really picking at nits here, and that overall it's a lovely shot of a beautiful woman. Well done! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
It looks to me as though the plane of focus takes in her bangs and the tip of her nose, rather than her eyes. Otherwise, very nice. Rick --- Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocelynshort5-1window.jpg I've been taking a portraiture course through my local community college. This was for an assignment. I was using window light only. I have other shots using off-camera flash as a fill, but this was by far the best photo of the session. :) Any tips? comments? Thanks. mike -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
Interesting title. I suppose there are improper portraits, then grin? Available light is always something wonderful. Even though I must use flash many times, the directional available light, such as you had, can be great to work with. That being said, this light seems just a little strong - based on viewing her shoulder near the scarf. For the future, it would be good to try to diffuse the light just a little more. Where the light and shadows fall is good and shows her face off pretty well. Biggest tip to give you is to shoot a lot and experiment with the light. Good start here. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, October 2, 2006, 4:50:17 PM, you wrote: MH http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocelynshort5-1window.jpg MH I've been taking a portraiture course through my local community MH college. This was for an assignment. I was using window light only. MH I have other shots using off-camera flash as a fill, but this was by MH far the best photo of the session. MH :) MH Any tips? comments? Thanks. MH mike MH -- MH Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
Mike Hamilton wrote: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocelynshort5-1window.jpg I've been taking a portraiture course through my local community college. This was for an assignment. I was using window light only. I have other shots using off-camera flash as a fill, but this was by far the best photo of the session. :) Any tips? comments? Thanks. mike -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca Next time let her keep the labret in (I'm assuming I see the hole just below the lower lip?) Otherwise a nice subject makes for a nice portrait. :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
- Original Message - From: Mike Hamilton Subject: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocelynshort5-1window.jpg I've been taking a portraiture course through my local community college. This was for an assignment. I was using window light only. I have other shots using off-camera flash as a fill, but this was by far the best photo of the session. :) Any tips? comments? Thanks. I like a somewhat heigher camera angle than what you shot. I generally try to put the lens axis at about the same level as the eyes. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
Hello, Did you use auto focus on this shot? The focus seems to a bit forward of her eyes. Auto focus or manual, y'gotta get the eyes in focus. Her head is at an awkward angle, the lighting is very good. Framing might be improved with some cropping and trimming. Why is this a proper portrait? Shel [Original Message] From: Mike Hamilton http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocelynshort5-1window.jpg I've been taking a portraiture course through my local community college. This was for an assignment. I was using window light only. I have other shots using off-camera flash as a fill, but this was by far the best photo of the session. :) Any tips? comments? Thanks. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
On 10/2/06, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next time let her keep the labret in (I'm assuming I see the hole just below the lower lip?) Otherwise a nice subject makes for a nice portrait. :-) Sadly, the dot in her lower lip is a scar from the labret piercing - it's no longer a hole. Thanks :) Mike -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
On 10/2/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Did you use auto focus on this shot? The focus seems to a bit forward of her eyes. Auto focus or manual, y'gotta get the eyes in focus. Ok, thanks. It was actually manual focus (Pentax A 50/1.7). Her head is at an awkward angle, the lighting is very good. Framing might be improved with some cropping and trimming. The photo is cropped as-is. What are you suggesting that I adjust? Why is this a proper portrait? Well, that was kind of a tongue-in-cheek comment about the responses I got on my last portrait where the subject's face wasn't the prime subject of the photo. Thanks, Shel. mike -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
On 10/2/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like a somewhat heigher camera angle than what you shot. I generally try to put the lens axis at about the same level as the eyes. Hah. You and my instructor both!!! He mentioned that explicitly, and I'm sure he's going to give me heck over it. Oh well. Thanks! :) Mike -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
In a message dated 10/2/2006 4:52:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocelynshort5-1window.jpg I've been taking a portraiture course through my local community college. This was for an assignment. I was using window light only. I have other shots using off-camera flash as a fill, but this was by far the best photo of the session. :) Any tips? comments? Thanks. mike = I took a portraiture class at a local darkroom place about 1 1/2-2 years ago. We only used studio lights, not natural light. I think this is pretty darn good, in my opinion. Don't know enough to offer detailed suggestions about lighting, etc. Nice going. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
On 10/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took a portraiture class at a local darkroom place about 1 1/2-2 years ago. We only used studio lights, not natural light. I think this is pretty darn good, in my opinion. Don't know enough to offer detailed suggestions about lighting, etc. Nice going. Thanks a lot! I've since taken everyone's suggestions to heart and sharpened the eyes a bit to bring them out. I also reduced the appearance of the labret scar. Sadly, there was no PS tool to raise the height of my camera in relation to the subject... ;) Thanks! Mike -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
Very nice! Nice subject, pose lighting. If it were mine I'd crop out everything below the horizontal part of the scarf - somewhat distracting IMHO. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocelynshort5-1window.jpg I've been taking a portraiture course through my local community college. This was for an assignment. I was using window light only. I have other shots using off-camera flash as a fill, but this was by far the best photo of the session. :) Any tips? comments? Thanks. mike -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
In a message dated 10/2/2006 8:26:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've since taken everyone's suggestions to heart and sharpened the eyes a bit to bring them out. I also reduced the appearance of the labret scar. Sadly, there was no PS tool to raise the height of my camera in relation to the subject... ;) = BTW, Mike, another thought. Our instructor (a BW guy who had done a LOT of photography, and I thought he was pretty darn good), said take women from slightly above and men from slightly below. Can't remember if that was from slightly above eye level or top of head or what. Probably eye level. He said it plays into our traditional expectation that men are taller and women are shorter. I really questioned him about that quite a bit because it sounded kind of, cough, sort of sexist to me. But he said if it is reversed it always seems to bother people -- maybe just on a subconscious level if they don't really consciously it -- because it goes against expectations. So he's found it's just better to do it that way and not go against expectations. IE. People aren't bothered. When he put it like that, I sort of bought it. Anyway, that may come into play here. Don't know about the eye focus thing, I didn't look at your photo that hard, but think about the rest. HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: PESO -- a proper portrait - Jocelyn
That is good information, Marnie. Thanks. My instructor told us the same thing, unless we're going for a powerful look to the subject. I had to keep reminding myself to stay above Jocelyn (*ahem*). It turns out that I forgot for this photo. Perhaps I'm subconsciously positioning her as the more powerful role in our relationship. :) Thanks again for your thoughts. Mike On 10/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/2/2006 8:26:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've since taken everyone's suggestions to heart and sharpened the eyes a bit to bring them out. I also reduced the appearance of the labret scar. Sadly, there was no PS tool to raise the height of my camera in relation to the subject... ;) = BTW, Mike, another thought. Our instructor (a BW guy who had done a LOT of photography, and I thought he was pretty darn good), said take women from slightly above and men from slightly below. Can't remember if that was from slightly above eye level or top of head or what. Probably eye level. He said it plays into our traditional expectation that men are taller and women are shorter. I really questioned him about that quite a bit because it sounded kind of, cough, sort of sexist to me. But he said if it is reversed it always seems to bother people -- maybe just on a subconscious level if they don't really consciously it -- because it goes against expectations. So he's found it's just better to do it that way and not go against expectations. IE. People aren't bothered. When he put it like that, I sort of bought it. Anyway, that may come into play here. Don't know about the eye focus thing, I didn't look at your photo that hard, but think about the rest. HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- Remember to Breathe -- MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
