RE: Pentax K7
Hi, could you please explain the difference(s) between a K5 and your K7 again? - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steven Desjardins Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 11:32 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: FS: Pentax K7 Sorry to do this on a non-Friday, but I'm leaving town for a week on Friday and I wanted to begin the process. Pentax k7, about 1550 shutter activations. Mildly used, excellent condition Original box, software, manual, strap, body cap. AV cable. Can't find the USB cable yet, but I'm still looking. Spare battery. $400 USD with shipping for CON US. Elsewhere shipping not included. I haven't used this camera very much because I got diverted to mu43 systems. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
The K-7 is in almost all respects identical to the K-5 except for the sensor. The K-7 and K20D share the same sensor family with similar IQ. There is nothing wrong with the K20D, but it doesn't have the high ISO performance of the K-5, neither does for all it's improvements the K-7. However for $400 with only ~1200 shots it's a great deal. On 9/24/2012 1:25 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Hi, could you please explain the difference(s) between a K5 and your K7 again? - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steven Desjardins Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 11:32 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: FS: Pentax K7 Sorry to do this on a non-Friday, but I'm leaving town for a week on Friday and I wanted to begin the process. Pentax k7, about 1550 shutter activations. Mildly used, excellent condition Original box, software, manual, strap, body cap. AV cable. Can't find the USB cable yet, but I'm still looking. Spare battery. $400 USD with shipping for CON US. Elsewhere shipping not included. I haven't used this camera very much because I got diverted to mu43 systems. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7 (and Steve) make sweet love to the Leica S2
looks massive and from what i read it is great 2010/2/22 Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2010/02/21/leica-s2-first-look-video/ -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7 (and Steve) make sweet love to the Leica S2
Ghm... The maximum ISO is just 1250. I was glad to see the turn-knob for the shutter setting (that was one of the reasons I bought Pentax ZX-5n some 12 years ago), but I was disappointed that so many settings are hidden in the menu. Anyway, I won't be able to afford it any time soon. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax K7 (and Steve) make sweet love to the Leica S2
It's not as big as it looks. I had a play with one last year and it's very light while retaining a high quality feel. The viewfinder is the best I've ever looked through by a long, long margin. I'm expecting to win the lottery this weekend, so I'll probably buy a couple of those next week. Bob looks massive and from what i read it is great 2010/2/22 Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2010/02/21/leica-s2-first-look-video/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison
P. J. Alling wrote: You can publish anything on the internet... http://web500.us/pentax-k-7-and-panasonic-gh1-comparison/ Kennyboy and RiceWhine had a child, who was given a keyboard... Thanks Peter. The whole site is so entertainly useless, I'm bookmarking it for return enjoyment. This in-depth review of wedding lenses is a classic: http://web500.us/best-nikon-wedding-lenses/ Then I read his (I assume the author is a he) About page and the site style was explained. Who has the time to dig around, after all? When I bought my first digital SLRs and lenses several years ago, I found that the expert reviews on digital SLRs are more on advance features which average amateur photographers hardly use. Also the reviews are often overwhelming for the first time buyers. Although there are many users reviews around and forums around, it just takes too much time to dig into these forum and reviews to find the answers to your questions. -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison
Hey, Pentax is up to semi pro. One giant leap Dave On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:09 AM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: You can publish anything on the internet... http://web500.us/pentax-k-7-and-panasonic-gh1-comparison/ Kennyboy and RiceWhine had a child, who was given a keyboard... -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison
- Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison Hey, Pentax is up to semi pro. One giant leap yeah, and it's better than a 4/3 camera too. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison
I got the impression that it was a bit like comparing an apple to an orange to decide which made a better banana. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison Hey, Pentax is up to semi pro. One giant leap yeah, and it's better than a 4/3 camera too. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:35 AM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I got the impression that it was a bit like comparing an apple to an orange to decide which made a better banana. You'd love the Pentaxforum site then.:-) Dave William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison Hey, Pentax is up to semi pro. One giant leap yeah, and it's better than a 4/3 camera too. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison
David J Brooks wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:35 AM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I got the impression that it was a bit like comparing an apple to an orange to decide which made a better banana. You'd love the Pentaxforum site then.:-) Funny you should mention them, I did a little reading there last night, until my head exploded. Dave William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison Hey, Pentax is up to semi pro. One giant leap yeah, and it's better than a 4/3 camera too. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison
David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, Pentax is up to semi pro. One giant leap Dave Well, it was on 31st May. _Before_ the K-7 was released. Now.. On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:09 AM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: You can publish anything on the internet... http://web500.us/pentax-k-7-and-panasonic-gh1-comparison/ Kennyboy and RiceWhine had a child, who was given a keyboard... -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:23 AM, mike wilsonm.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, Pentax is up to semi pro. One giant leap Dave Well, it was on 31st May. _Before_ the K-7 was released. So KR must have done his review on the 30th then.?? Dave On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:09 AM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: You can publish anything on the internet... http://web500.us/pentax-k-7-and-panasonic-gh1-comparison/ Kennyboy and RiceWhine had a child, who was given a keyboard... -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison
I heard on the Internet that if you write a review blog, you get stuffs for free. -Pasvorn On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:09 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: You can publish anything on the internet... http://web500.us/pentax-k-7-and-panasonic-gh1-comparison/ Kennyboy and RiceWhine had a child, who was given a keyboard... -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7 vs Panasonic GH1 comparison
2009/7/31 Pasvorn Boonmark pasv...@boonmark.net: I heard on the Internet that if you write a review blog, you get stuffs for free. -Pasvorn True. I get loads of free headaches and agro. Haven't reviewed any of them yet, though. --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax K7
Good, our work is done. Seriously, I'm very encouraged by this camera. Pentax is a small company competing with much a lot of pre-established opinions about what they are and what their competitors are. This is a very well built camera with many genuinely useful features and a reasonable collection of good lenses. This is all I want Pentax to be. My only fear is them actually staying in business, but I think the pro/enthusiast level is probably right for them. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:13 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax K7 Okay, I'm sold. I've been trying to talk myself out of it, but the list won't let me:-) Paul On May 20, 2009, at 3:27 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: Pentax K7 Why not? The K-7 is only a bit better speced than the K20D. Delete the video capability, add improved autofocus and perhaps even more low light capability. Aim it at a more serious photographer. I wouldn't be surprised to see such a camera. I'm actually seeing some pretty major (on paper) improvements over the K20. The frame rate increase is huge, the buffer is significantly larger, the extra 2 channels of pipeline from sensor to image processor is a big step. Removing the sensor from dust removal and going to ultrasonic should make the dust removal more effective. They are giving it another stop or so of SR effectiveness, and it looks like the built in flash, as much as I hate the things, actually has enough seperation from the lens to be useful. This doesn't even start to address some of the things they've done in the menu system, such as allowing imbedded copyright data right out of the camera and the fine tuning ability that they have applied to the sensor WRT composition, though we'll see how useful this really is. Finally, a 100% viewfinder. This will be a joy after years of using innacurate viewfinders. I think the last accurate finder I used was in my Nikon F3. Even the LX isn't 100%. The K20 is a decent camera with some major weaknesses, this one looks like it should be the real deal, though I am sure some minor quibbles will show up. The only question I have is how soon can I have one delivered? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4a15c407206419818010151! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
- Original Message - From: Desjardins, Steve Subject: RE: Pentax K7 Good, our work is done. Seriously, I'm very encouraged by this camera. Pentax is a small company competing with much a lot of pre-established opinions about what they are and what their competitors are. This is a very well built camera with many genuinely useful features and a reasonable collection of good lenses. This is all I want Pentax to be. My only fear is them actually staying in business, but I think the pro/enthusiast level is probably right for them. It's a return to their 1980s heyday when they were putting out smallish but very competent cameras that sold like hotcakes. I think it's a really good move for them. The market of high performance cameras has been populated by beheamoths for far too long. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 08:57:03AM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Desjardins, Steve Subject: RE: Pentax K7 Good, our work is done. Seriously, I'm very encouraged by this camera. Pentax is a small company competing with much a lot of pre-established opinions about what they are and what their competitors are. This is a very well built camera with many genuinely useful features and a reasonable collection of good lenses. This is all I want Pentax to be. My only fear is them actually staying in business, but I think the pro/enthusiast level is probably right for them. It's a return to their 1980s heyday when they were putting out smallish but very competent cameras that sold like hotcakes. I think it's a really good move for them. The market of high performance cameras has been populated by beheamoths for far too long. William Robb I agree, although I'd shift the comparison timeframe a little earlier. The MX was small, fully-featured for what it claimed to be, and pretty successful. It was also aimed at the low end of the pro market (and had a 5ps drive :-) Interestingly enough the competition then for that style of camera was also Olympus, with their OM-1. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu wrote: snip This is a very well built camera with many genuinely useful features and a reasonable collection of good lenses. This is all I want Pentax to be. snip You're so demanding! ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax K7
OLYMPUS started the trend to smaller SLRs in the 70's with the OM-1. Pentax actually blundered with their development and release of their first K cameras which were BIGGER than the spotmatics and they standardized on 52mm filters for K. It took them 3 years to get the smaller M bodies and lenses out and to go back to 49mm filters as they had in the screwmount era. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:42 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax K7 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 08:57:03AM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Desjardins, Steve Subject: RE: Pentax K7 Good, our work is done. Seriously, I'm very encouraged by this camera. Pentax is a small company competing with much a lot of pre-established opinions about what they are and what their competitors are. This is a very well built camera with many genuinely useful features and a reasonable collection of good lenses. This is all I want Pentax to be. My only fear is them actually staying in business, but I think the pro/enthusiast level is probably right for them. It's a return to their 1980s heyday when they were putting out smallish but very competent cameras that sold like hotcakes. I think it's a really good move for them. The market of high performance cameras has been populated by beheamoths for far too long. William Robb I agree, although I'd shift the comparison timeframe a little earlier. The MX was small, fully-featured for what it claimed to be, and pretty successful. It was also aimed at the low end of the pro market (and had a 5ps drive :-) Interestingly enough the competition then for that style of camera was also Olympus, with their OM-1. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On May 20, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: In the OK1000 preview (from the blog at http://www.ok1000pentax.com/2009/05/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html), Pentax Product Manager Chris Pound is quoted as saying: We think this will really appeal to K10D or *ist users, classic users, advanced amateurs or budget pros. Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en masse. They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who hadn't seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for example, although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.) That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher spec K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer that some were predicting a few weeks ago. Paul I disagree, the K7 IS a gamechanger for Pentax. It's the first DSLR to deliver both compact size and the build performance of a semi-pro body. Nobody else on the market has anything really similar (the D90 being arguably the closest, but it lacks the build, weather sealing, SR, 100% finder and is larger than the K7). -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
This is already a game changer, it's not aimed at Nikon or Canon, it's aimed squarely at Olympus and their e-3. It competes nicely in the middle of the pack of APS-C mid range cameras from Nikon and Canon, but it's clearly meant to give Olympus sales managers hives. Now if they could only actually get them into the stores, (visited one of the locals that used to carry Pentax yesterday, not a single Pentax product to be seen). Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:50:30PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en masse. They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who hadn't seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for example, although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.) That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher spec K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer that some were predicting a few weeks ago. Nah, I just think they're being realistic about whether they can sell a new camera to every user every year. I'll be very surprised if the new camera later this year isn't aimed to replace the K200D. I think they're going to _try_ to keep the K-7 priced above $1000, so there's room between it and the $500 K2000. The game changer speculations have been wishful thinking for a long, long time. I don't think the economics of it lend any support to the idea, though. Although it's worth noting that Adorama actually literally says this: The Pentax K-7 is a game changer. http://www.adorama.com/alc/blogarticle/11608 :) -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Douglas Smith d...@cix.co.uk wrote: Well Pentax UK now have the K7 in their products http://www.pentax.co.uk/en/product/17531/body/overview/Photo_Digital_SLR.html The K-7 is built exceptional solid and durable... O rly? Joseph McAllister wrote: Don't know if others have figured out the dpreview page that Dario pointed us to, but it has 12 sections of from 2 to 5 pages each (printed on A4) that give sooo much information as to be overwhelming, even for a K20 user. The selections are made from the top of the page. On May 20, 2009, at 07:07 , Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxk7/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Fingers crossed, of course. New products are interesting. But they're officially developing the 645D again now. Bet a substantial number of their RD people are busy with that. It's probably getting a complete makeover from the previously shown prototype. So I'm pessimistic about an eventual K30D for the time being. Jostein 2009/5/21 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: On May 20, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: In the OK1000 preview (from the blog at http://www.ok1000pentax.com/2009/05/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html), Pentax Product Manager Chris Pound is quoted as saying: We think this will really appeal to K10D or *ist users, classic users, advanced amateurs or budget pros. Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en masse. They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who hadn't seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for example, although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.) That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher spec K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer that some were predicting a few weeks ago. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Okay, I'm sold. But I probably won't be getting on the boat with the pilgrims this time. Paul On May 21, 2009, at 3:20 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On May 20, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: In the OK1000 preview (from the blog at http://www.ok1000pentax.com/2009/05/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html ), Pentax Product Manager Chris Pound is quoted as saying: We think this will really appeal to K10D or *ist users, classic users, advanced amateurs or budget pros. Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en masse. They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who hadn't seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for example, although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.) That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher spec K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer that some were predicting a few weeks ago. Paul I disagree, the K7 IS a gamechanger for Pentax. It's the first DSLR to deliver both compact size and the build performance of a semi-pro body. Nobody else on the market has anything really similar (the D90 being arguably the closest, but it lacks the build, weather sealing, SR, 100% finder and is larger than the K7). -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
A new dslr is scheduled, end of the year. Will sit between K-m and K-7, K20D should go EOL at the same time. IMO 645D processing is the same as K-7 (just as previous prototype had K10D processing). And the K-? coming should have simplified K-7 processing and simplified K-7 body. It may have a bit better video, but not sure it is important for many people here. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
John Francis wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:50:30PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher spec K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer that some were predicting a few weeks ago. Paul According to a posting on the dpreview forums from JohnCPentax (who appears to work at Pentax USA) you're going to be disappointed. He not only works at Pentax, he's coming to Grandfather Mountain with a K7 next week. I'm sure he'll get a thorough interrogation there ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
John Francis wrote: According to a posting on the dpreview forums from JohnCPentax (who appears to work at Pentax USA) you're going to be disappointed. The K-7 *is* what was planned as the K30D, so there won't be one. JohnCPentax does indeed work at Pentax. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: JohnCPentax does indeed work at Pentax. With a name like that he's not going to get a job at Nikon! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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frank theriault wrote: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: JohnCPentax does indeed work at Pentax. With a name like that he's not going to get a job at Nikon! won't need to, being heir to the Pentax fortune and all. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax K7
According to a posting on the dpreview forums from JohnCPentax (who appears to work at Pentax USA) you're going to be disappointed. The K-7 *is* what was planned as the K30D, so there won't be one. JohnCPentax does indeed work at Pentax. And oh how I wish he was me. John Celio (Pentax is my middle name) -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 21, 2009, at 3:34 PM, John Celio wrote: According to a posting on the dpreview forums from JohnCPentax (who appears to work at Pentax USA) you're going to be disappointed. The K-7 *is* what was planned as the K30D, so there won't be one. JohnCPentax does indeed work at Pentax. And oh how I wish he was me. I think you mean oh how I wish I were he. John Celio (Pentax is my middle name) -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Okay, I'm sold. I've been trying to talk myself out of it, but the list won't let me:-) Paul On May 20, 2009, at 3:27 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: Pentax K7 Why not? The K-7 is only a bit better speced than the K20D. Delete the video capability, add improved autofocus and perhaps even more low light capability. Aim it at a more serious photographer. I wouldn't be surprised to see such a camera. I'm actually seeing some pretty major (on paper) improvements over the K20. The frame rate increase is huge, the buffer is significantly larger, the extra 2 channels of pipeline from sensor to image processor is a big step. Removing the sensor from dust removal and going to ultrasonic should make the dust removal more effective. They are giving it another stop or so of SR effectiveness, and it looks like the built in flash, as much as I hate the things, actually has enough seperation from the lens to be useful. This doesn't even start to address some of the things they've done in the menu system, such as allowing imbedded copyright data right out of the camera and the fine tuning ability that they have applied to the sensor WRT composition, though we'll see how useful this really is. Finally, a 100% viewfinder. This will be a joy after years of using innacurate viewfinders. I think the last accurate finder I used was in my Nikon F3. Even the LX isn't 100%. The K20 is a decent camera with some major weaknesses, this one looks like it should be the real deal, though I am sure some minor quibbles will show up. The only question I have is how soon can I have one delivered? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Well, the official spec, for German readers, is here: http://www.glanzbilder.org/2009/05/20/pentax-k-7-specs/ regards, Anthony 2009/5/20 Roman Melihhov ro...@blakout.net: Even though it has several improvements from K20SD I don'yt think I shall run breaking my money pig and rush to the nearest photo shop. Most of the time I don't need more FPS and HD video - what for my colleagues at imaging company has their HD video cameras that make up to 1080p videos. And for the same 14.6MP sensor with ISO100-3200 (2000-6400) it certainly reminds me a tweaked K20D. I'm very curios to see its official spec though. -- Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: Pentax K7
I'm disappointed to see that the autofocus systems appears to be basically the same, with just new firmware to support it. I'm beginning to suspect that the next camera, perhaps a K30D, will be a bit more of an upgrade. I may wait. Price will have a lot to do with determining whether or not I buy this camera now. Paul On May 20, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxk7/ Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Pentax K7 I'm disappointed to see that the autofocus systems appears to be basically the same, with just new firmware to support it. I'm beginning to suspect that the next camera, perhaps a K30D, will be a bit more of an upgrade. I may wait. Price will have a lot to do with determining whether or not I buy this camera now. I'm not realy unhappy with the K20 AF other than it could be faster. If the processor is faster and the AF motor is more robust, that would answer most of my concerns. I never quite find the AF points to be quite where I want them to be, but I suspect that this is something that is pretty much impossible to solve without a ridiculous number of AF points. It appears that they've made AF point selection into a two step process (push the AF button and then pick your AF point). This is unfortunate from my perspective, I use AF selection during shooting way more often than I use the Fn button, so they've kind of buggered things there from my perspective. Still no predictive AF, and no word on if AF speed has been significantly improved over the K20, one can only hope that with 5fps available, they've upped AF performance significantly as well. I do like that they've boosted the frame rate, this should make for a more responsive camera. Even though I rarely use continuous advance, I find the cameras with a faster frame rate just seem to work better for me. I'd like to see an articulated screen, I think it would be very handy for ground level macro work in conjunction with live view, but certainly this isn't more than a nit pick. I'm very interested to hear about how the camera performs from the people who will get to handle it at GFM. It looks like a pretty decent improvment over the K20 in most repects. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 09:01:42AM -0600, William Robb scripsit: [snip] I'd like to see an articulated screen, I think it would be very handy for ground level macro work in conjunction with live view, but certainly this isn't more than a nit pick. I would much rather see an accessory screen with a 2m cable and controls similar to those provided on the grip. No need to weather-seal a complex rotating electrical connection, one can really hide in the bird blind and stay standing or in one's comfy chair for ground-level macro (or stick-the-camera-in-the-thicket macro). Given the HDMI connection present in the K-7, they've already got most of the circuitry they'd need to do this in there. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Don't be so sure :) BRM Thibouille wrote: There will be no K30D. But waiting can only reders the K-7 cheaper. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
- Original Message - From: Graydon Subject: Re: Pentax K7 I would much rather see an accessory screen with a 2m cable and controls similar to those provided on the grip. No need to weather-seal a complex rotating electrical connection, one can really hide in the bird blind and stay standing or in one's comfy chair for ground-level macro (or stick-the-camera-in-the-thicket macro). Given the HDMI connection present in the K-7, they've already got most of the circuitry they'd need to do this in there. That would seriously rock. Pentax, are you reading this? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
I pretty much agree. One point where I'm dubious, though, is what chassis we will see. Hoya have put a premium on size, so I'm not sure that a K30D would show up in a K20D chassis. Maybe we'll see something that can use the D-BG4 grip, not the D-BG2. (Or, as you suggest, a K200D body, which could use the D-BG3). On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:45:08PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: You are assuming, incorrectly I believe, that the K20D replacement will be higher-spec than the K7. I don't expect that to be the case. The K20D replacement will most likely be a 3-3.5fps body based on the K20D chassis with the K7's processing engine. I expect it to retain the basic features of the K20D and essentially be a processing chain upgrade with a few other improvements (3 LCD possibly, or maybe a flip/twist). This will maintain the current naming convention that more digits means lower end. It's possible that it may be a K200D-derived body with K20D 2-channel sensor, K7 processing and (hopefully) a K20D equivalent viewfinder. Hopefully Pentax won't cripple the buffer (which was the only real issue with the K200D). -Adam On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: There will be a camera end of the year indeed. But there will be 3 cameras total in the lineup. No way Pentax will bring higher spec body than K-7 6 months later. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: One report said that there will be a K30D later this year. We'll see. Paul On May 20, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Thibouille wrote: There will be no K30D. But waiting can only reders the K-7 cheaper. It is seems there's a real difference in AF, but we'll have to wait for tests to know more. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm disappointed to see that the autofocus systems appears to be basically the same, with just new firmware to support it. I'm beginning to suspect ?that the next camera, perhaps a K30D, will be a bit more of an upgrade. I may wait. Price will have a lot to do with determining whether or not I buy this camera now. Paul -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wireless would be the magic word. Cables are out, it's AD 2009 here. BR, Margus John Francis wrote: And not just for nature photography, either. I'd love to be able to use live view at a distance, and a wireless remote, for shots where you can't have a photographer standing in the best shooting position (such as sports events, for example). Perhaps more than a 2m cable would be a good idea for some of those, too. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On May 20, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Thibouille wrote: There will be a camera end of the year indeed. But there will be 3 cameras total in the lineup. No way Pentax will bring higher spec body than K-7 6 months later. Why not? The K-7 is only a bit better speced than the K20D. Delete the video capability, add improved autofocus and perhaps even more low light capability. Aim it at a more serious photographer. I wouldn't be surprised to see such a camera. Paul On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: One report said that there will be a K30D later this year. We'll see. Paul On May 20, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Thibouille wrote: There will be no K30D. But waiting can only reders the K-7 cheaper. It is seems there's a real difference in AF, but we'll have to wait for tests to know more. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm disappointed to see that the autofocus systems appears to be basically the same, with just new firmware to support it. I'm beginning to suspect that the next camera, perhaps a K30D, will be a bit more of an upgrade. I may wait. Price will have a lot to do with determining whether or not I buy this camera now. Paul -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Good Lord! After months of torturing us with rumors and speculation about the camera they've JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY, you all are ALREADY yabbering about the NEXT camera! Does it ever end!?!!?! *winkwink* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Which is a feature Nikon already offers on the D300/D700/D3/D3x when you pair it with the Wifi dongle and a laptop running Camera Control Pro. Live view feed to the laptop with remote control of the camera. -Adam 2009/5/20 Margus Männik mar...@eol.ee: Wireless would be the magic word. Cables are out, it's AD 2009 here. BR, Margus John Francis wrote: And not just for nature photography, either. I'd love to be able to use live view at a distance, and a wireless remote, for shots where you can't have a photographer standing in the best shooting position (such as sports events, for example). Perhaps more than a 2m cable would be a good idea for some of those, too. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 02:08:14PM -0400, John Francis scripsit: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:44:39AM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Graydon I would much rather see an accessory screen with a 2m cable and controls similar to those provided on the grip. No need to weather-seal a complex rotating electrical connection, one can really hide in the bird blind and stay standing or in one's comfy chair for ground-level macro (or stick-the-camera-in-the-thicket macro). Given the HDMI connection present in the K-7, they've already got most of the circuitry they'd need to do this in there. That would seriously rock. Pentax, are you reading this? Wouldn't it, though? And not just for nature photography, either. I'd love to be able to use live view at a distance, and a wireless remote, for shots where you can't have a photographer standing in the best shooting position (such as sports events, for example). Perhaps more than a 2m cable would be a good idea for some of those, too. 2m = HDMI max cable length on the basic specs for the transmitters. (Max for the cable tech is 50 feet.) Wireless eats batteries, and is hard, if you have to consider the case of four or five such cameras right next to each other, so I think it would pretty much have to be a cable accessory. Custom cabling, sure, they could do much longer, but that'd probably take significant development effort. I'd much rather have the 2m version than not have the 5 or 10 m version with the custom fibre optic cable. -- Graydon, who figures one of the controls normally on the grip is a shutter button -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:26:53PM -0500, Nick Wright scripsit: Good Lord! After months of torturing us with rumors and speculation about the camera they've JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY, you all are ALREADY yabbering about the NEXT camera! Does it ever end!?!!?! Actually, this is probably something they could do for the K-7 if they wanted to. It's that HDMI port that got me thinking about this. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
William Robb wrote: one can only hope that with 5fps available, they've upped AF performance significantly as well. Seems so: http://surfdoc.blogspot.com/2009/05/initial-impressions-of-pentax-k7.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
One report said that there will be a K30D later this year. We'll see. Paul On May 20, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Thibouille wrote: There will be no K30D. But waiting can only reders the K-7 cheaper. It is seems there's a real difference in AF, but we'll have to wait for tests to know more. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm disappointed to see that the autofocus systems appears to be basically the same, with just new firmware to support it. I'm beginning to suspect that the next camera, perhaps a K30D, will be a bit more of an upgrade. I may wait. Price will have a lot to do with determining whether or not I buy this camera now. Paul -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
You are assuming, incorrectly I believe, that the K20D replacement will be higher-spec than the K7. I don't expect that to be the case. The K20D replacement will most likely be a 3-3.5fps body based on the K20D chassis with the K7's processing engine. I expect it to retain the basic features of the K20D and essentially be a processing chain upgrade with a few other improvements (3 LCD possibly, or maybe a flip/twist). This will maintain the current naming convention that more digits means lower end. It's possible that it may be a K200D-derived body with K20D 2-channel sensor, K7 processing and (hopefully) a K20D equivalent viewfinder. Hopefully Pentax won't cripple the buffer (which was the only real issue with the K200D). -Adam On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: There will be a camera end of the year indeed. But there will be 3 cameras total in the lineup. No way Pentax will bring higher spec body than K-7 6 months later. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: One report said that there will be a K30D later this year. We'll see. Paul On May 20, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Thibouille wrote: There will be no K30D. But waiting can only reders the K-7 cheaper. It is seems there's a real difference in AF, but we'll have to wait for tests to know more. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm disappointed to see that the autofocus systems appears to be basically the same, with just new firmware to support it. I'm beginning to suspect that the next camera, perhaps a K30D, will be a bit more of an upgrade. I may wait. Price will have a lot to do with determining whether or not I buy this camera now. Paul -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:28:16PM -0400, paul stenquist scripsit: Why not? The K-7 is only a bit better speced than the K20D. That depends very heavily on what the image quality improvement actually is. We have at present no way to know if it's marginal or major, and the available information allows for either possibility. Also, there isn't much room above the K-7 price wise; there's already a great deal of angst about 1200 USD as an introductory price. (1499 CAD; Henry's is now listing it.) So it makes a great deal more sense for it to be something between the K-m and the K-7; I'd expect roughly equivalent K20D image capability in the new smaller body factor. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:28:16PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: On May 20, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Thibouille wrote: There will be a camera end of the year indeed. But there will be 3 cameras total in the lineup. No way Pentax will bring higher spec body than K-7 6 months later. Why not? The K-7 is only a bit better speced than the K20D. Delete the video capability, add improved autofocus and perhaps even more low light capability. Aim it at a more serious photographer. I wouldn't be surprised to see such a camera. Paul I would. The K-7 *is* Pentax's camera for the serious photographer. There isn't room in their lineup for two cameras at four-figure prices. (nor, IMO, will you see anything, except maybe entry-level cameras, with no video capability. You may not value it, but the marketplace seems to). They'll have one camera at the entry-point level (K-2000), one at the midrange (introductory price perhaps $800, eventual street price after the first six months probably close to $500), and one at the high end. Any K30D would be the midrange camera. I doubt if it will match the K-7 for some of the specs (in particular the peak frame rate), and I certainly don't expect it to out-perform the K-7 in any area. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:26:53PM -0500, Nick Wright wrote: Good Lord! After months of torturing us with rumors and speculation about the camera they've JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY, you all are ALREADY yabbering about the NEXT camera! Does it ever end!?!!?! *winkwink* Never. Where would we be without something to complain about? So far I've seen people who think the camera is underwhelming, and others who think the price is out of consideration. (Perhaps this means Pentax are doing it right - it's better this way than if all the complaints are in agreement as to just what is wrong). But, mostly, people (especially here) seem to like what we see. Sure, there are a handful of minor upgrades that could be handy (1/250 flash sync, 8fps, 1080p video, 2nd SD card slot, ...), but in general it looks close to the camera people seem to want. I look forward to hearing the reports from the folks at GFM, but I'm already pretty certain that I'll be ordering a K-7 + D-BG4 as soon as BH start taking orders. They've got a page for the camera, but at present there's no button to place an order). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax K7
Why not? The K-7 is only a bit better speced than the K20D. Delete the video capability, add improved autofocus and perhaps even more low light capability. Aim it at a more serious photographer. I wouldn't be surprised to see such a camera. Paul Yeah! Bring it on Pentax. John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist [pnstenqu...@comcast.net] Sent: 20 May 2009 18:28 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax K7 On May 20, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Thibouille wrote: There will be a camera end of the year indeed. But there will be 3 cameras total in the lineup. No way Pentax will bring higher spec body than K-7 6 months later. Why not? The K-7 is only a bit better speced than the K20D. Delete the video capability, add improved autofocus and perhaps even more low light capability. Aim it at a more serious photographer. I wouldn't be surprised to see such a camera. Paul On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: One report said that there will be a K30D later this year. We'll see. Paul On May 20, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Thibouille wrote: There will be no K30D. But waiting can only reders the K-7 cheaper. It is seems there's a real difference in AF, but we'll have to wait for tests to know more. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm disappointed to see that the autofocus systems appears to be basically the same, with just new firmware to support it. I'm beginning to suspect that the next camera, perhaps a K30D, will be a bit more of an upgrade. I may wait. Price will have a lot to do with determining whether or not I buy this camera now. Paul -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:44:39AM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Graydon Subject: Re: Pentax K7 I would much rather see an accessory screen with a 2m cable and controls similar to those provided on the grip. No need to weather-seal a complex rotating electrical connection, one can really hide in the bird blind and stay standing or in one's comfy chair for ground-level macro (or stick-the-camera-in-the-thicket macro). Given the HDMI connection present in the K-7, they've already got most of the circuitry they'd need to do this in there. That would seriously rock. Pentax, are you reading this? William Robb Wouldn't it, though? And not just for nature photography, either. I'd love to be able to use live view at a distance, and a wireless remote, for shots where you can't have a photographer standing in the best shooting position (such as sports events, for example). Perhaps more than a 2m cable would be a good idea for some of those, too. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
There will be a camera end of the year indeed. But there will be 3 cameras total in the lineup. No way Pentax will bring higher spec body than K-7 6 months later. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: One report said that there will be a K30D later this year. We'll see. Paul On May 20, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Thibouille wrote: There will be no K30D. But waiting can only reders the K-7 cheaper. It is seems there's a real difference in AF, but we'll have to wait for tests to know more. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm disappointed to see that the autofocus systems appears to be basically the same, with just new firmware to support it. I'm beginning to suspect that the next camera, perhaps a K30D, will be a bit more of an upgrade. I may wait. Price will have a lot to do with determining whether or not I buy this camera now. Paul -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax K7
Good Lord! After months of torturing us with rumors and speculation about the camera they've JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY, you all are ALREADY yabbering about the NEXT camera! Does it ever end!?!!?! *winkwink* The K7 is just a taster of what's to come. I don't want to say too much for fear of screwing up my insider privilege, but you should all be booking a camel ride to Ulan Bator this year. Or maybe next. Pentax - the camera with the Khan-do attitude, and a pop-up yurt. Genghis -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
There will be no K30D. But waiting can only reders the K-7 cheaper. It is seems there's a real difference in AF, but we'll have to wait for tests to know more. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm disappointed to see that the autofocus systems appears to be basically the same, with just new firmware to support it. I'm beginning to suspect that the next camera, perhaps a K30D, will be a bit more of an upgrade. I may wait. Price will have a lot to do with determining whether or not I buy this camera now. Paul -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Nick Wright nickwright1...@gmail.com wrote: Good Lord! After months of torturing us with rumors and speculation about the camera they've JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY, you all are ALREADY yabbering about the NEXT camera! Does it ever end!?!!?! *winkwink* It never ends. Welcome to PDML. ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: Pentax K7 Why not? The K-7 is only a bit better speced than the K20D. Delete the video capability, add improved autofocus and perhaps even more low light capability. Aim it at a more serious photographer. I wouldn't be surprised to see such a camera. I'm actually seeing some pretty major (on paper) improvements over the K20. The frame rate increase is huge, the buffer is significantly larger, the extra 2 channels of pipeline from sensor to image processor is a big step. Removing the sensor from dust removal and going to ultrasonic should make the dust removal more effective. They are giving it another stop or so of SR effectiveness, and it looks like the built in flash, as much as I hate the things, actually has enough seperation from the lens to be useful. This doesn't even start to address some of the things they've done in the menu system, such as allowing imbedded copyright data right out of the camera and the fine tuning ability that they have applied to the sensor WRT composition, though we'll see how useful this really is. Finally, a 100% viewfinder. This will be a joy after years of using innacurate viewfinders. I think the last accurate finder I used was in my Nikon F3. Even the LX isn't 100%. The K20 is a decent camera with some major weaknesses, this one looks like it should be the real deal, though I am sure some minor quibbles will show up. The only question I have is how soon can I have one delivered? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
William Robb wrote: Finally, a 100% viewfinder. This will be a joy after years of using innacurate viewfinders. I think the last accurate finder I used was in my Nikon F3. Even the LX isn't 100%. How can any optical viewfinder be accurate when the sensor floats? Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Dario Bonazza wrote: William Robb wrote: Finally, a 100% viewfinder. This will be a joy after years of using innacurate viewfinders. I think the last accurate finder I used was in my Nikon F3. Even the LX isn't 100%. How can any optical viewfinder be accurate when the sensor floats? The official specs do say *Approx.* 100% -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
I know my tech knowledge isn't that fluent, but I have to say I'm pretty darn excited about this camera, and I'm excited for Pentax. I hope it sells well for the company, and after reading DPR review and Dimalanta's brief impressions, I have to say I may be doing some serious saving to get this camera. Going from 2 channels to 4 channels would seem to be a big help. Having a near silent shutter would be great--I've been in situations where I wish my K20 was quieter. 77 multi segment metering caused me to utter a wow, and a 100% viewfinder--gosh, that's great too--etc etc etc. I'm really just starting to repeat the review specs here--I'm not really adding anthing to what has already been said, so suffice it to say a week ago I wouldn't have identified myself as a serious potential customer for the K7, but I think am now. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
- Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza Subject: Re: Pentax K7 William Robb wrote: Finally, a 100% viewfinder. This will be a joy after years of using innacurate viewfinders. I think the last accurate finder I used was in my Nikon F3. Even the LX isn't 100%. How can any optical viewfinder be accurate when the sensor floats? One presumes that the camera knows where the sensor is at any given time and adjusts accordingly. I think if it didn't, sensor deflection based shake reduction would be rather an epic fail of magnificent proportions. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
I wonder about Pentax's possibly continuing to identify feature upgrading in an ascending numbering sequence; K10D, K20D, next K30D...(?) Where and what did we hear about a K30D coming out later this year? If it's capability is not made clear, K7 sales could suffer as a result of rumor. Jack --- On Wed, 5/20/09, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: From: John Francis jo...@panix.com Subject: Re: Pentax K7 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 10:59 AM On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:28:16PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: On May 20, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Thibouille wrote: There will be a camera end of the year indeed. But there will be 3 cameras total in the lineup. No way Pentax will bring higher spec body than K-7 6 months later. Why not? The K-7 is only a bit better speced than the K20D. Delete the video capability, add improved autofocus and perhaps even more low light capability. Aim it at a more serious photographer. I wouldn't be surprised to see such a camera. Paul I would. The K-7 *is* Pentax's camera for the serious photographer. There isn't room in their lineup for two cameras at four-figure prices. (nor, IMO, will you see anything, except maybe entry-level cameras, with no video capability. You may not value it, but the marketplace seems to). They'll have one camera at the entry-point level (K-2000), one at the midrange (introductory price perhaps $800, eventual street price after the first six months probably close to $500), and one at the high end. Any K30D would be the midrange camera. I doubt if it will match the K-7 for some of the specs (in particular the peak frame rate), and I certainly don't expect it to out-perform the K-7 in any area. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Pentax K7 The official specs do say *Approx.* 100% I'm going by the DPReview published specs which says: . Eye-level pentaprism . 100% frame coverage William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On May 20, 2009, at 08:11 , Graydon wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 09:01:42AM -0600, William Robb scripsit: [snip] I'd like to see an articulated screen, I think it would be very handy for ground level macro work in conjunction with live view, but certainly this isn't more than a nit pick. I would much rather see an accessory screen with a 2m cable and controls similar to those provided on the grip. No need to weather-seal a complex rotating electrical connection, one can really hide in the bird blind and stay standing or in one's comfy chair for ground-level macro (or stick-the-camera-in-the-thicket macro). Given the HDMI connection present in the K-7, they've already got most of the circuitry they'd need to do this in there. Well lookee this, right here in my desk drawer I have a Macbook to HDMI connector. A 13 HD screen for my future K7. :-) Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
William Robb wrote: From: Mark Roberts The official specs do say *Approx.* 100% I'm going by the DPReview published specs which says: . Eye-level pentaprism . 100% frame coverage Here's a copy of the official data sheet: http://www.priyantha.nl/tweakers/pentax/K7/K7_press_6.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On May 20, 2009, at 08:11 , Graydon wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 09:01:42AM -0600, William Robb scripsit: [snip] I'd like to see an articulated screen, I think it would be very handy for ground level macro work in conjunction with live view, but certainly this isn't more than a nit pick. I would much rather see an accessory screen with a 2m cable and controls similar to those provided on the grip. No need to weather-seal a complex rotating electrical connection, one can really hide in the bird blind and stay standing or in one's comfy chair for ground-level macro (or stick-the-camera-in-the-thicket macro). Given the HDMI connection present in the K-7, they've already got most of the circuitry they'd need to do this in there. Well lookee this, right here in my desk drawer I have a Macbook to HDMI connector. A 13 HD screen for my future K7. :-) Joseph McAllister Good idea, but that's an output, not an input on the MacBook. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Indeed which is why the spec says approximately 100%. That's why LiveView is for, or turn off SR: we have the choice. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: William Robb wrote: Finally, a 100% viewfinder. This will be a joy after years of using innacurate viewfinders. I think the last accurate finder I used was in my Nikon F3. Even the LX isn't 100%. How can any optical viewfinder be accurate when the sensor floats? Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
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Re: Pentax K7
On May 20, 2009, at 10:28 , paul stenquist wrote: On May 20, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Thibouille wrote: There will be a camera end of the year indeed. But there will be 3 cameras total in the lineup. No way Pentax will bring higher spec body than K-7 6 months later. Why not? The K-7 is only a bit better speced than the K20D. Delete the video capability, add improved autofocus and perhaps even more low light capability. Aim it at a more serious photographer. I wouldn't be surprised to see such a camera. Paul I suspect you will be disappointed Paul. Hoya/Pentax most likely feels they have done a good job of responding to all the bellyaching of the current K10/K20 owners. Why not wait those six months of K7 ownership to spit on their shoes first. You may feel you don't have to. If you do, then join Savage in his Nxxxn camp on the west coast. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On May 20, 2009, at 10:37 , Graydon wrote: So it makes a great deal more sense for it to be something between the K-m and the K-7; I'd expect roughly equivalent K20D image capability in the new smaller body factor. I'm tweaked about just the fact of having an LCD monitor with 4x the pixels of the present K20's. Now my magnifying hood (an old 67 chimney hood with rubberized base) can see an image, instead of a bunch of pixels. If it doesn’t excite you, This thing that you see, Why in the world, Would it excite me? —Jay Maisel Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Aw Crap. Now I'm going to have to buy one. Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxk7/ Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Don't know if others have figured out the dpreview page that Dario pointed us to, but it has 12 sections of from 2 to 5 pages each (printed on A4) that give sooo much information as to be overwhelming, even for a K20 user. The selections are made from the top of the page. On May 20, 2009, at 07:07 , Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxk7/ Dario Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On May 20, 2009, at 13:00 , William Robb wrote: William Robb wrote: Finally, a 100% viewfinder. This will be a joy after years of using innacurate viewfinders. I think the last accurate finder I used was in my Nikon F3. Even the LX isn't 100%. How can any optical viewfinder be accurate when the sensor floats? One presumes that the camera knows where the sensor is at any given time and adjusts accordingly. I think if it didn't, sensor deflection based shake reduction would be rather an epic fail of magnificent proportions. It's not going to adjust your view through the viewfinder, only on the LCD in Live View. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Well Pentax UK now have the K7 in their products http://www.pentax.co.uk/en/product/17531/body/overview/Photo_Digital_SLR.html Joseph McAllister wrote: Don't know if others have figured out the dpreview page that Dario pointed us to, but it has 12 sections of from 2 to 5 pages each (printed on A4) that give sooo much information as to be overwhelming, even for a K20 user. The selections are made from the top of the page. On May 20, 2009, at 07:07 , Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxk7/ Dario Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On May 20, 2009, at 13:57 , Adam Maas wrote: Well lookee this, right here in my desk drawer I have a Macbook to HDMI connector. A 13 HD screen for my future K7. :-) Joseph McAllister Good idea, but that's an output, not an input on the MacBook. Damn! I knew that! (once upon a time)(thanks once more Adam) If it doesn’t excite you, This thing that you see, Why in the world, Would it excite me? —Jay Maisel Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
I'm waiting for the model that comes with an inflatable dock for my Ruby Yacht... mike wilson wrote: Bob W wrote: Pentax - the camera with the Khan-do attitude, and a pop-up yurt. Genghis I'm going to wait for the model with the pop-up pleasure dome. Kublai. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
I see dpreview still photographs reflective surfaces, IOW lenses, with umbrellas. When oh when oh when will they they get a soft box or beauty dish,or even just hang a diffuser in front of a standard reflector? It's not like they just started up and are 'making do' while they get established. I suspect it's just laziness on their part. regards, Anthony 2009/5/21 Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxk7/ Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
I'm very happy with my K20D (K10D in reserve) and just don't see enough in the K7 to get one. I said the same about the K20D when it came out but some high ISO shots by Paul S. pushed me over the edge. Unless there are some earth shaking experiences by list members with the K7, I'm not going to jump in. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: John Francis jo...@panix.com Subject: Re: Pentax K7 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:26:53PM -0500, Nick Wright wrote: Good Lord! After months of torturing us with rumors and speculation about the camera they've JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY, you all are ALREADY yabbering about the NEXT camera! Does it ever end!?!!?! *winkwink* Never. Where would we be without something to complain about? So far I've seen people who think the camera is underwhelming, and others who think the price is out of consideration. (Perhaps this means Pentax are doing it right - it's better this way than if all the complaints are in agreement as to just what is wrong). But, mostly, people (especially here) seem to like what we see. Sure, there are a handful of minor upgrades that could be handy (1/250 flash sync, 8fps, 1080p video, 2nd SD card slot, ...), but in general it looks close to the camera people seem to want. I look forward to hearing the reports from the folks at GFM, but I'm already pretty certain that I'll be ordering a K-7 + D-BG4 as soon as BH start taking orders. They've got a page for the camera, but at present there's no button to place an order). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
I like it. I just want to be sure that it's the best we'll get for a while before I buy one. Paul - John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:26:53PM -0500, Nick Wright wrote: Good Lord! After months of torturing us with rumors and speculation about the camera they've JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY, you all are ALREADY yabbering about the NEXT camera! Does it ever end!?!!?! *winkwink* Never. Where would we be without something to complain about? So far I've seen people who think the camera is underwhelming, and others who think the price is out of consideration. (Perhaps this means Pentax are doing it right - it's better this way than if all the complaints are in agreement as to just what is wrong). But, mostly, people (especially here) seem to like what we see. Sure, there are a handful of minor upgrades that could be handy (1/250 flash sync, 8fps, 1080p video, 2nd SD card slot, ...), but in general it looks close to the camera people seem to want. I look forward to hearing the reports from the folks at GFM, but I'm already pretty certain that I'll be ordering a K-7 + D-BG4 as soon as BH start taking orders. They've got a page for the camera, but at present there's no button to place an order). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
- Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re: Pentax K7 Unless there are some earth shaking experiences by list members with the K7, I'm not going to jump in. Fine, be a stick in the mud. VW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
P. J. Alling wrote: I'm waiting for the model that comes with an inflatable dock for my Ruby Yacht... Forgot to sign. Omar. mike wilson wrote: Bob W wrote: Pentax - the camera with the Khan-do attitude, and a pop-up yurt. Genghis I'm going to wait for the model with the pop-up pleasure dome. Kublai. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 07:55:00PM -0400, Ken Waller wrote: I'm very happy with my K20D (K10D in reserve) and just don't see enough in the K7 to get one. I said the same about the K20D when it came out but some high ISO shots by Paul S. pushed me over the edge. In the OK1000 preview (from the blog at http://www.ok1000pentax.com/2009/05/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html), Pentax Product Manager Chris Pound is quoted as saying: We think this will really appeal to K10D or *ist users, classic users, advanced amateurs or budget pros. Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en masse. They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who hadn't seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for example, although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.) -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ The Definitive Pentax P-TTL Flash Model Guide: http://pttl.mattdm.org/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On May 20, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: In the OK1000 preview (from the blog at http://www.ok1000pentax.com/2009/05/pentax-k-7-hands-on- preview.html), Pentax Product Manager Chris Pound is quoted as saying: We think this will really appeal to K10D or *ist users, classic users, advanced amateurs or budget pros. Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en masse. They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who hadn't seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for example, although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.) That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher spec K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer that some were predicting a few weeks ago. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
To be brutally honest, the K20D is a much better camera than I am a photographer; the number of pictures where the camera is the limiting factor on the quality is pretty small. Having said that, I have two gripes: It's too big and the high-ISO isn't there. Looks like the K7 gets one for two. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:50:30PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en masse. They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who hadn't seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for example, although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.) That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher spec K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer that some were predicting a few weeks ago. Nah, I just think they're being realistic about whether they can sell a new camera to every user every year. I'll be very surprised if the new camera later this year isn't aimed to replace the K200D. I think they're going to _try_ to keep the K-7 priced above $1000, so there's room between it and the $500 K2000. The game changer speculations have been wishful thinking for a long, long time. I don't think the economics of it lend any support to the idea, though. Although it's worth noting that Adorama actually literally says this: The Pentax K-7 is a game changer. http://www.adorama.com/alc/blogarticle/11608 :) -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ The Definitive Pentax P-TTL Flash Model Guide: http://pttl.mattdm.org/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:45:43PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 07:55:00PM -0400, Ken Waller wrote: I'm very happy with my K20D (K10D in reserve) and just don't see enough in the K7 to get one. I said the same about the K20D when it came out but some high ISO shots by Paul S. pushed me over the edge. In the OK1000 preview (from the blog at http://www.ok1000pentax.com/2009/05/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html), Pentax Product Manager Chris Pound is quoted as saying: We think this will really appeal to K10D or *ist users, classic users, advanced amateurs or budget pros. Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en masse. They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who hadn't seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for example, although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.) That's me, as well (in several ways) - K10D with a *ist-D as my backup. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, 20 May 2009 20:06:19 -0700 Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: To be brutally honest, the K20D is a much better camera than I am a photographer; the number of pictures where the camera is the limiting factor on the quality is pretty small. Having said that, I have two gripes: It's too big and the high-ISO isn't there. Looks like the K7 gets one for two. -T that's almost exactly what i feel about the K10D i have. saving up to get the k-7, probably towards the end of the year... :) regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:50:30PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher spec K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer that some were predicting a few weeks ago. Paul According to a posting on the dpreview forums from JohnCPentax (who appears to work at Pentax USA) you're going to be disappointed. The K-7 *is* what was planned as the K30D, so there won't be one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
I won't be disappointed. I just want to be sure that this is the best for the foreseeable future before I buy. So Ill probably unload the K10 and pick up a K7 at some point in the near future. Paul On May 20, 2009, at 11:37 PM, John Francis wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:50:30PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher spec K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer that some were predicting a few weeks ago. Paul According to a posting on the dpreview forums from JohnCPentax (who appears to work at Pentax USA) you're going to be disappointed. The K-7 *is* what was planned as the K30D, so there won't be one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On 5/20/09, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Unless there are some earth shaking experiences by list members with the K7, I'm not going to jump in. But, but, but you can video your navel. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On May 20, 2009, at 20:08 , Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:50:30PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en masse. They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who hadn't seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for example, although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.) That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher spec K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer that some were predicting a few weeks ago. Nah, I just think they're being realistic about whether they can sell a new camera to every user every year. I'll be very surprised if the new camera later this year isn't aimed to replace the K200D. I think they're going to _try_ to keep the K-7 priced above $1000, so there's room between it and the $500 K2000. The game changer speculations have been wishful thinking for a long, long time. I don't think the economics of it lend any support to the idea, though. Although it's worth noting that Adorama actually literally says this: The Pentax K-7 is a game changer. http://www.adorama.com/alc/blogarticle/11608 :) They also state: The new flagship of the Pentax line replaces the K20D, and although it has a similarly-sized 14.6 CMOS chip like the K20D, this isn't a simple rebadged incremental upgrade. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
Being the highest end (IMO) DSLR Pentax ever made, it won't be cheap. But 1500 US$ seems really a MAX although with the recent price hikes relative to Yen currency fluctuation, it may be higher. I have no solid information on this but I'd say 1300US$ or thereabout. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Square sensor, was Re: Pentax K7
I highly doubt that but would like to be proven wrong, please do :) On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:39 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: Not really. While you can pack rectangular sensors at 100% efficiency, you don't lose that much using circular sensors - the obvious layout only wastes a little less than 10% of the total area. and that's if you assume infinite wafer sizes - for current wafer sizes losses at the edge are going to be at least as much. It's even possible that for some wafer sizes a circular sensor results in less area wastage. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:03:00PM +0200, Thibouille wrote: No, t would waste a lot more materials on a manufacturing point of view and as a consequence, pice would sky rocket. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: Yes, it would make more sense and waste less raw materials if the sensor was a 36mm circular one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Square sensor, was Re: Pentax K7
It's fairly easy. Start with the regular tiling of the plane by hexagons. Now inscribe a circle in each hexagon (so you end up with rows of circles, with alternate rows staggered by half width). A little simple mathematics shows that the area of each circle is just over 90% of the area of the circumscribed hexagon. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 09:10:02AM +0200, Thibouille wrote: I highly doubt that but would like to be proven wrong, please do :) On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:39 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: Not really. ?While you can pack rectangular sensors at 100% efficiency, you don't lose that much using circular sensors - the obvious layout only wastes a little less than 10% of the total area. ?and that's if you assume infinite wafer sizes - for current wafer sizes losses at the edge are going to be at least as much. ?It's even possible that for some wafer sizes a circular sensor results in less area wastage. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:03:00PM +0200, Thibouille wrote: No, t would waste a lot more materials on a manufacturing point of view and as a consequence, pice would sky rocket. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: Yes, it would make more sense and waste less raw materials if the sensor was a 36mm circular one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Square sensor, was Re: Pentax K7
...one thing we agree for sure - that line feed from next dimension has returned. While we get the more of the image circle area with a square cut, we also get the less possible one-way coverage... meaning less elbow room in family pics and more auntie legs - and carpet, and ceiling... Personal taste - that's where the real discussion about square or retangular formats lies. I used both formats while young, and like the retangular a little more, for average situations. Personal taste. Square types are welcome, as long as the content fits. One of my issues with the hassel was the vertical waste on many of my photos with the 66 back. Glad I had the 645 for those prints... Rather than a possible but not probable square, I'd wonder about an alternate APS size that would perhaps be covered by the current image circle of the lenses. Maybe even with an extraterrorestrial algorithm to correct the light fall-off in the corners. Maybe enough to push current 14mp to 16+ without breaking too many eggs. LF (ok, just another wild theory) William Robb escreveu: - Original Message - From: JC OConnell Subject: RE: Square sensor, was Re: Pentax K7 SQUARE has two huge advantages: 1. No need to rotate camera for portrait orientation if using a cropped retanglular subset of the square 2. More efficient usage of the lens image circle if and when the full square image is used. The key to making #1 advantage work is to have a specailly marked or masked viewfinder/film-sensor-software gate Regarding #2, with the small circle DA lenses, you could achieve higher overall image resolution with the full square format because you would be recording more of the image circle. There are cons of course to square format, biggest of which is you end up with a larger heavier camera than you need if you never use the full square format. Most of the old pro boys that I know cut their teeth with square format cameras, either Hassies or Rollieflexes. Generally, they say that once you learn how to take advantage of the square format, there is just no going back to rectangular prints. Now, to be fair, these guys are all portraitists, but a couple of them are award winning landscape photographers using the square format. I actually quite like the square format. I have an easier time composing on the 4x5 and 6x7 than 2:3 cameras, I think in part because the format is closer to square. We're back to carriage return hell, BTW. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Square sensor, was Re: Pentax K7
LOL!!! I'll make my CD covers only from square-sensor cameras... ...personal taste... LF Godfrey DiGiorgi escreveu: I grew up with a Rolleiflex TLR. I love square photos, although for practical reasons most of my photos are rectangular. 2:3 format always seems too oblong for my taste, I find 3:4 and slightly squarer proportions more appealing. It's definitely one of the reasons I like FourThirds format. A square sensor would do me very nicely. Square format photographs have been the standard for record albums, CD jewel cases, etc for, what, 60 years? It's a pretty big niche. Godfrey On Apr 26, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Certainly not marketable. Most photographers are conditioned to using the rectangle to shape their work. I shot 6x6 for many years. Never did like it, never will. Square is definitely a niche market. And yes, Hasselblad and other MF makers have been successful in that niche, but it's still a niche. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
A couple comments from Ned Bunnel on al the buzz about the next Pentax: http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2009/04/op-ed-thoughts-by-spa.html -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
