Re: What plans do you have for old digital SLRs?
Leon, In my very case it is pretty trivial. During our visit to AutoWorld museum in Brussels just for fun I gave my daughter my K10D with FA 43 attached and she took few shots. Then the following dialog transpired: She: Dad, I want your camera. Me: But dear, you have your own one (She has Optio W30) She: Yes, I know, but I don't like it any more. I like yours. So that for the next very camera upgrade that may happen, the old one will belong to my daughter. P.S. I intend to publish a gallery of pictures that she took to illustrate my point further :-). Boris Leon Altoff wrote: Hi All, ... When the K10D is retired it may end up being converted to IR. Given new cameras coming out every couple of years and even buying into every second generation I'm going to drown in cameras eventually if I don't find uses for them. Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have only ever twice sold a camera: a Voigtlander Vito CD, which was my first ever serious camera, and a Fujica ST701n, which was a replacement for a stolen SV, which had been my first SLR. I now have several Spotmatics, an SV (bought on a whim because it is identical to the one stolen, and is a joy to use), an ES, a K2, an ME, an SFN, an Espio 70 and an MZ-S in Pentax, and a Fed 4 for 35mm film, a Rolleicord for medium format, and in digital, one compact, an Optio 4WR, and one SLR, an *ist-D, and I doubt I'll ever sell any of them, being as much of a lover of classic cameras as a photographer. I've also got a box full of dead Pentax 35mm and digital compacts of various recent models which came gratis from a local distributor clear-out. My workhorse cameras are the MZ-S or SV for film, and the *ist-D for digital. The Optio is carried in the car, or is used by my wife on the rare occasions she wants to use a camera. The *ist-D and just two lenses, the 16-45 and 50-200 were what I carried for a recent trip to Egypt and Spain, and served me very well: the results are excellent and the kit was light and easy to carry in a small backpack. I may consider buying the next Pentax digital SLR, depending upon price and size: I don't need or want a behemoth of a camera which doubles as a weight-training tool, nor do I really need full-frame - but it would be interesting to see how my collection of Pentax lenses of various eras perform on such a sensor. If I do, the *ist-D may go to one of my granddaughters, who is expressing an interest in photography as a career - I know, don't encourage her! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Desjardins Sent: Monday, 11 August 2008 7:02 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: What plans do you have for old digital SLRs? I tend to hang onto cameras. In all honestly, I should dump most of my film cameras. The problem is that I'd keep the nicest one (the MZ-S) and then get so little for the others it wouldn't be worth selling. I gave my MX and ZX-7 to the Art dept. for photo classes and I kept the MZ-S, the Sp500, and the 645. Keeping the SP500 (vs the MX) is definitely a sentimental choice but it still works fine and it was my first camera. I'm always amazed how intrigued students are by a screwmount lens. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My first camera is sitting on top of my refrigerator as I type. A Kodak Brownie Hawk-eye with flash attachment. My dad brought me a Zeiss Ikon Nettax folding 120 camera from Europe in 1958. Started working with a 2 1/4 x 3 1/4 Busch Pressman in 1962, still have it. My first 35 mm camera was a Spotmatic I picked up in Japan in 1965. I purchased a two body, three lens, 3 back Zenza Bronica S-2 outfit on that same trip. Worked well for about a year. Repairs kept it going through college and a couple of studios I either partnered in or worked for in San Francisco through 1972. Started working in 4x5 with a Busch Pressman at that time. Got rid of the Bronica kit and the Spotmatic in trade for a black Spotmatic and a half dozen primes to work as a travel photographer in Europe through 1974. Still have the black Spotmatic and a 50 mm f1.4, but it's a real beater now. From 1975 ~ 1987 I worked as a spook on the dark side, and did some personal photography, but not a lot. Too tired mostly. During that time I did expand my screw-mount collection to about 15 lenses and picked up another (used) black Spotmatic body. In 1990, that body, 6 lenses including a stove-pipe 600 mm were stolen out of my car at an event. My automobile insurance replaced them with a PZ-1, three Tokina zooms (28 mm~200 mm range) and a Tamron 300 mm f2.8 with Tamron 2x tele-extender. Worked that kit (and still do, but replaced the PZ-1 with a PZ-1p body) until 1997, when I hired on to help catalog and dispose of a venerable photo store in Seattle, whose inventory filled the store, the empty store next door, and 3 rented garages. It took a year of a few days a week, and ultimately a dozen weekends of sales, for which I was supposed to be paid. Never was from the start, so I started setting stuff aside in the warehouse we rented. Accumulated a LARGE pile over in the corner. When the sales were over, I asked the boss to go through the pile and let me know what I could keep, unless he wanted to pay me my back wages, over $3000 by then. He looked at the pile, then at me, then asked his partner if I was ripping him off. Nope, sez he. eBay kept me alive and my mortgage paid for the next two years as I sold off what I decided I really didn't need. Some of it I wish I could have kept now, but hey, I probably wouldn't have used it much. Lots of 2 1/4 gear, several Pentax 6x7 kits, including a bellows and slide copier set, many 4x5, 5x7 and 8x10 cameras and darkroom gear. Several old Asahi bodies and lenses, Dozens of antique Kodak folders and studio cameras, many collectibles. Even sold an 8 x 10 Century on a police ID rail setup, with numbers you could set from the camera position. Gobs of Polaroid. Nikon and Canon bodies from the 70s and 80s, with assorted lenses. I kept the Deardorf 8x10 and a bag of holders, a dozen or more lenses and shutters, and assorted accessories. And I still have both Busch Pressmans, in field kits, along with 2 1/4 x 3 1/4 Speed Graphic, 4x5 Speed Graphic, all kinds of flash gear, darkroom gear (Got rid of the Super Chromega 2 years ago) including enlarging lenses for all formats, slide projectors from the Kodak 110 to an antique 2 1/4 x 3 1/4. In case you missed it, my latest purge on eBay included a SMCP-A* 135 f1.8, a SMCP-A* 200 mm f2.5, an 18 mm f2.8, 50 mm f1.2, and a handful of -M and -A lenses - several macros. That was in February. Once I get unpacked at my new digs in Seattle, I'll be putting more out there for sale. Unfortunately, the good stuff I have left will probably stay. I'll keep one LX and all it's accessory finders and backs for a while longer, and some of the keeper flash gear. Just in case. I'll be putting photos up on my website in the next few months of the gear I have, and that which I no longer want. This will include 2 LXs and a Program-A (motor drives, winders for both are available) and more I won't bother listing yet. First LX to sell comes with 2 bricks of frozen Ektar 25. The second LX comes with a bunch of frozen Velvia. All film out of date but frozen solid. So it's obvious that I will hang on to my old DSLRs for a while, as well as my PZ-1p, my Spotmatic, an LX (the shiniest one), and my K100D, K10D, K20D and a 67 kit. And yes, I use them all, all at the same time, so they won't go to waste sitting on a shelf. ;-p Joseph McAllister -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi John, I feel the same way, for me the upgrade path with film cameras was usually the medium (film), or a new lens, so it didn't matter that I was still using an MX when there were newer models available, besides I enjoyed using the MX. I waited until the MZ-3 before having a camera with AF. But now the medium is in the camera and it's a whole new ball game. I still own 2x MX, 2x KX, 1x LX, 2x Super A, 2x MZ-3 and a 645 plus various spare parts bodies. I've really cut back on my film cameras - just one MX a LX - but they are used frequently and will be whilst film is easy to get. These two are destined for the shelf when film is no more, I won't sell these. The shift from film as the medium to the camera has been difficult to get used too, yet I have to say the economics stack up very favourably against film processing, even with the amount of photography I do. Oddly enough, I sold most of the film cameras because I thought that the bottom would drop out of the market for them as digital cameras became widespread. The last time I looked, LXs still made reasonable money. Digital SLRs second hand don't fair badly either. I think I've finally got to the stage of accepting a camera (particularly digital) as something which does have a second hand value. It's time for me to move on with this. I think it's time to really look at offers on the K20D. To go back to the subject line - what do I plan to do with my old DSLRs - I think the answer is sell them on, in the same way I did with film SLRs. Regards, Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Malcolm It's good to see the LX MX still fetching reasonable prices and that people still value them. If I sold all my other film kit I'd still keep the LX, at least one MX and at least one KX along with the K series primes I have. Digital was a bit of a learning curve for me but I'm glad I went down that route, the biggest problem was finding a good ulta-wide lens I was happy with. On the digital side I'm happy to keep three DSLR's but no more than three, if I upgrade beyond the K20D then either the K10D or K20D will have to go, I'm just in the process of selling some gear I no longer use. Best regards, John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 August 2008 09:01 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: What plans do you have for old digital SLRs? Hi John, I feel the same way, for me the upgrade path with film cameras was usually the medium (film), or a new lens, so it didn't matter that I was still using an MX when there were newer models available, besides I enjoyed using the MX. I waited until the MZ-3 before having a camera with AF. But now the medium is in the camera and it's a whole new ball game. I still own 2x MX, 2x KX, 1x LX, 2x Super A, 2x MZ-3 and a 645 plus various spare parts bodies. I've really cut back on my film cameras - just one MX a LX - but they are used frequently and will be whilst film is easy to get. These two are destined for the shelf when film is no more, I won't sell these. The shift from film as the medium to the camera has been difficult to get used too, yet I have to say the economics stack up very favourably against film processing, even with the amount of photography I do. Oddly enough, I sold most of the film cameras because I thought that the bottom would drop out of the market for them as digital cameras became widespread. The last time I looked, LXs still made reasonable money. Digital SLRs second hand don't fair badly either. I think I've finally got to the stage of accepting a camera (particularly digital) as something which does have a second hand value. It's time for me to move on with this. I think it's time to really look at offers on the K20D. To go back to the subject line - what do I plan to do with my old DSLRs - I think the answer is sell them on, in the same way I did with film SLRs. Regards, Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Like Minolta, high-end Pentax bodies still hold their value due to rarity (Specifically the MZ-S and LX, MXen are quite cheap these days). It is kinda odd that an MZ-S is worth around the same as a F5 or EOS 1v though. -Adam On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:45 AM, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Malcolm It's good to see the LX MX still fetching reasonable prices and that people still value them. If I sold all my other film kit I'd still keep the LX, at least one MX and at least one KX along with the K series primes I have. Digital was a bit of a learning curve for me but I'm glad I went down that route, the biggest problem was finding a good ulta-wide lens I was happy with. On the digital side I'm happy to keep three DSLR's but no more than three, if I upgrade beyond the K20D then either the K10D or K20D will have to go, I'm just in the process of selling some gear I no longer use. Best regards, John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 August 2008 09:01 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: What plans do you have for old digital SLRs? Hi John, I feel the same way, for me the upgrade path with film cameras was usually the medium (film), or a new lens, so it didn't matter that I was still using an MX when there were newer models available, besides I enjoyed using the MX. I waited until the MZ-3 before having a camera with AF. But now the medium is in the camera and it's a whole new ball game. I still own 2x MX, 2x KX, 1x LX, 2x Super A, 2x MZ-3 and a 645 plus various spare parts bodies. I've really cut back on my film cameras - just one MX a LX - but they are used frequently and will be whilst film is easy to get. These two are destined for the shelf when film is no more, I won't sell these. The shift from film as the medium to the camera has been difficult to get used too, yet I have to say the economics stack up very favourably against film processing, even with the amount of photography I do. Oddly enough, I sold most of the film cameras because I thought that the bottom would drop out of the market for them as digital cameras became widespread. The last time I looked, LXs still made reasonable money. Digital SLRs second hand don't fair badly either. I think I've finally got to the stage of accepting a camera (particularly digital) as something which does have a second hand value. It's time for me to move on with this. I think it's time to really look at offers on the K20D. To go back to the subject line - what do I plan to do with my old DSLRs - I think the answer is sell them on, in the same way I did with film SLRs. Regards, Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/8/11 Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm the sort that tends to break things (hence my interest in entropy) LOL... Mark! On that line of reasoning, I oughta learn more about entropy too... :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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When the K10D is retired it may end up being converted to IR. Exactly what I am trying to do. Just getting money to be able to pay the service. Also I was still unable to find the exact size of the K10D Hotfilter so I can get a replacement glass. Cheers, .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Leon I'm currently using the *istD as a lghtweight travel camera with my K20D as the main serious camera and the K10D as a backup. I did think of selling the K10D but the prices have fallen off sharp, I'd be lucky to get half what I paid for it new. I wonder how far they can push the technologx, just how many more features can be added and whether I would need anything better than the K20D. I may just replace the camera body when the present one expires for whatever fits the need at the time. I'm not even sure I'd want a full frame 36x24 digital if they made one. Regards, John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leon Altoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2008 12:12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: What plans do you have for old digital SLRs? Hi All, I was wondering on this cold and wet weekend as I nurse my cold (Melbourne winters are SO much fun) what I'm going to do with my ever increasing digital SLR collection. It's not really worth while selling them off, but I also don't want to keep them in a cupboard for the rest of eternity. I normally have 2 cameras in operation. A field camera, that I won't loose sleep over if it ends up being dropped into sea water and for want of a better term a studio camera that I use when the danger is not imminent. The current field camera is an istD, the studio camera is a K10D and I have a retired (or spare) istD doing nothing. I've resisted the K20D simply because I don't want to have too many cameras without a purpose. But the K30D is on the list and at that point I have 2 istD's sitting around. This might be a good time to start playing with stereo photography, all I need is a second of one of the lenses I already own and I'm away. When the K10D is retired it may end up being converted to IR. Given new cameras coming out every couple of years and even buying into every second generation I'm going to drown in cameras eventually if I don't find uses for them. Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? -- Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I keep two cameras. I started with two *istDs and sold one just a few weeks before the K10D was released. It went for $450. which I think was a good price. I then added a K10D. Around the time the K20D was released, I sold the other *istD for about $350 and bought a K20D. I don't want more than two cameras, but I do need two. Selling as early as possible in the replacement cycle seems most practical. Paul On Aug 10, 2008, at 10:18 AM, John Whittingham wrote: Hi Leon I'm currently using the *istD as a lghtweight travel camera with my K20D as the main serious camera and the K10D as a backup. I did think of selling the K10D but the prices have fallen off sharp, I'd be lucky to get half what I paid for it new. I wonder how far they can push the technologx, just how many more features can be added and whether I would need anything better than the K20D. I may just replace the camera body when the present one expires for whatever fits the need at the time. I'm not even sure I'd want a full frame 36x24 digital if they made one. Regards, John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leon Altoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2008 12:12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: What plans do you have for old digital SLRs? Hi All, I was wondering on this cold and wet weekend as I nurse my cold (Melbourne winters are SO much fun) what I'm going to do with my ever increasing digital SLR collection. It's not really worth while selling them off, but I also don't want to keep them in a cupboard for the rest of eternity. I normally have 2 cameras in operation. A field camera, that I won't loose sleep over if it ends up being dropped into sea water and for want of a better term a studio camera that I use when the danger is not imminent. The current field camera is an istD, the studio camera is a K10D and I have a retired (or spare) istD doing nothing. I've resisted the K20D simply because I don't want to have too many cameras without a purpose. But the K30D is on the list and at that point I have 2 istD's sitting around. This might be a good time to start playing with stereo photography, all I need is a second of one of the lenses I already own and I'm away. When the K10D is retired it may end up being converted to IR. Given new cameras coming out every couple of years and even buying into every second generation I'm going to drown in cameras eventually if I don't find uses for them. Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? -- Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have son. He gets to inherit the older ones (right now I have a K10D he gets to use the DS). I look forward to the day he buys the top-of-the-line model and I get to inherit his older cams :-D Bong On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Leon Altoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I was wondering on this cold and wet weekend as I nurse my cold (Melbourne winters are SO much fun) what I'm going to do with my ever increasing digital SLR collection. It's not really worth while selling them off, but I also don't want to keep them in a cupboard for the rest of eternity. I normally have 2 cameras in operation. A field camera, that I won't loose sleep over if it ends up being dropped into sea water and for want of a better term a studio camera that I use when the danger is not imminent. The current field camera is an istD, the studio camera is a K10D and I have a retired (or spare) istD doing nothing. I've resisted the K20D simply because I don't want to have too many cameras without a purpose. But the K30D is on the list and at that point I have 2 istD's sitting around. This might be a good time to start playing with stereo photography, all I need is a second of one of the lenses I already own and I'm away. When the K10D is retired it may end up being converted to IR. Given new cameras coming out every couple of years and even buying into every second generation I'm going to drown in cameras eventually if I don't find uses for them. Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? -- Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Leon, I gave my sister a Ds. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Leon Altoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I was wondering on this cold and wet weekend as I nurse my cold (Melbourne winters are SO much fun) what I'm going to do with my ever increasing digital SLR collection. It's not really worth while selling them off, but I also don't want to keep them in a cupboard for the rest of eternity. I normally have 2 cameras in operation. A field camera, that I won't loose sleep over if it ends up being dropped into sea water and for want of a better term a studio camera that I use when the danger is not imminent. The current field camera is an istD, the studio camera is a K10D and I have a retired (or spare) istD doing nothing. I've resisted the K20D simply because I don't want to have too many cameras without a purpose. But the K30D is on the list and at that point I have 2 istD's sitting around. This might be a good time to start playing with stereo photography, all I need is a second of one of the lenses I already own and I'm away. When the K10D is retired it may end up being converted to IR. Given new cameras coming out every couple of years and even buying into every second generation I'm going to drown in cameras eventually if I don't find uses for them. Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? -- Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Leon Altoff Subject: What plans do you have for old digital SLRs? Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? I have a couple of friends who are interested in photography, but have more pressing things to do with their money than buy cameras. I pass my old cameras off to them. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Greetings, Someday, I will purchase a K200D. Right now, my ist D is my main camera. I also own a Canon D30 which soon may be converted to IR because I really like what happens to an image when taken in IR. Right now, I have a Sony W-7 PS camera that was converted to IR. Jim A. Hi All, I was wondering on this cold and wet weekend as I nurse my cold (Melbourne winters are SO much fun) what I'm going to do with my ever increasing digital SLR collection. It's not really worth while selling them off, but I also don't want to keep them in a cupboard for the rest of eternity. I normally have 2 cameras in operation. A field camera, that I won't loose sleep over if it ends up being dropped into sea water and for want of a better term a studio camera that I use when the danger is not imminent. The current field camera is an istD, the studio camera is a K10D and I have a retired (or spare) istD doing nothing. I've resisted the K20D simply because I don't want to have too many cameras without a purpose. But the K30D is on the list and at that point I have 2 istD's sitting around. This might be a good time to start playing with stereo photography, all I need is a second of one of the lenses I already own and I'm away. When the K10D is retired it may end up being converted to IR. Given new cameras coming out every couple of years and even buying into every second generation I'm going to drown in cameras eventually if I don't find uses for them. Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? -- Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I use any camera I have. For ones I'm relying upon for my work, I have two identical bodies. When I stop using a camera, I sell it. Same for lenses. Absolutely no point for me to keep equipment taking up space in the closet that I'm not using. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's a good policy Paul. I'm reluctant to part with the *istD due to it's diminutive size, low weight, use of AA batterties, TTL flash (AF28T etc) and the fact that it's less demanding on the lens in use than the higher resolution DSLR's. On a trip to Scotland earlier this year I re-acquainted myself with the *istD and found it an absolute joy to use purely for pleasure purposes. I bought the *istD secondhand with accessories (which I sold) and it basically cost me about £50 for the camera body so I'll take it anywhere without any apprehension. If I sold any of the cameras it would be the K10D despite being a very great camera. Regards, John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2008 15:25 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: What plans do you have for old digital SLRs? I keep two cameras. I started with two *istDs and sold one just a few weeks before the K10D was released. It went for $450. which I think was a good price. I then added a K10D. Around the time the K20D was released, I sold the other *istD for about $350 and bought a K20D. I don't want more than two cameras, but I do need two. Selling as early as possible in the replacement cycle seems most practical. Paul On Aug 10, 2008, at 10:18 AM, John Whittingham wrote: Hi Leon I'm currently using the *istD as a lghtweight travel camera with my K20D as the main serious camera and the K10D as a backup. I did think of selling the K10D but the prices have fallen off sharp, I'd be lucky to get half what I paid for it new. I wonder how far they can push the technologx, just how many more features can be added and whether I would need anything better than the K20D. I may just replace the camera body when the present one expires for whatever fits the need at the time. I'm not even sure I'd want a full frame 36x24 digital if they made one. Regards, John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leon Altoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2008 12:12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: What plans do you have for old digital SLRs? Hi All, I was wondering on this cold and wet weekend as I nurse my cold (Melbourne winters are SO much fun) what I'm going to do with my ever increasing digital SLR collection. It's not really worth while selling them off, but I also don't want to keep them in a cupboard for the rest of eternity. I normally have 2 cameras in operation. A field camera, that I won't loose sleep over if it ends up being dropped into sea water and for want of a better term a studio camera that I use when the danger is not imminent. The current field camera is an istD, the studio camera is a K10D and I have a retired (or spare) istD doing nothing. I've resisted the K20D simply because I don't want to have too many cameras without a purpose. But the K30D is on the list and at that point I have 2 istD's sitting around. This might be a good time to start playing with stereo photography, all I need is a second of one of the lenses I already own and I'm away. When the K10D is retired it may end up being converted to IR. Given new cameras coming out every couple of years and even buying into every second generation I'm going to drown in cameras eventually if I don't find uses for them. Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? -- Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Same thing. It's going to become a cheap, high pixel count astro camera. If I could rip the RGB off it, I'd do that too. For astro, I refocus for every color anyway. Regards Bob... --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] When the K10D is retired it may end up being converted to IR. Exactly what I am trying to do. Just getting money to be able to pay the service. Also I was still unable to find the exact size of the K10D Hotfilter so I can get a replacement glass. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I currently keep the *istD at school and the DS at home. Too small, too convenient, and works too well to discard. I genuinely wonder how long these things will continue to function. Once 6 MP rolled around the cameras became useful until they died. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Right - two bodies is enough. I got the K20D two weeks ago - I must get arround to selling the *ist D :-) Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Aug 10, 2008 19:39 Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I currently keep the *istD at school and the DS at home. Too small, too convenient, and works too well to discard. I genuinely wonder how long these things will continue to function. Once 6 MP rolled around the cameras became useful until they died. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes John. I'm hanging onto the *istDS for the same reasons. Although I've got a new 540 flash, the AA batteries TTL make it a keeper. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a good policy Paul. I'm reluctant to part with the *istD due to it's diminutive size, low weight, use of AA batterties, TTL flash (AF28T etc) and the fact that it's less demanding on the lens in use than the higher resolution DSLR's. On a trip to Scotland earlier this year I re-acquainted myself with the *istD and found it an absolute joy to use purely for pleasure purposes. I bought the *istD secondhand with accessories (which I sold) and it basically cost me about £50 for the camera body so I'll take it anywhere without any apprehension. If I sold any of the cameras it would be the K10D despite being a very great camera. Regards, John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2008 15:25 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: What plans do you have for old digital SLRs? I keep two cameras. I started with two *istDs and sold one just a few weeks before the K10D was released. It went for $450. which I think was a good price. I then added a K10D. Around the time the K20D was released, I sold the other *istD for about $350 and bought a K20D. I don't want more than two cameras, but I do need two. Selling as early as possible in the replacement cycle seems most practical. Paul On Aug 10, 2008, at 10:18 AM, John Whittingham wrote: Hi Leon I'm currently using the *istD as a lghtweight travel camera with my K20D as the main serious camera and the K10D as a backup. I did think of selling the K10D but the prices have fallen off sharp, I'd be lucky to get half what I paid for it new. I wonder how far they can push the technologx, just how many more features can be added and whether I would need anything better than the K20D. I may just replace the camera body when the present one expires for whatever fits the need at the time. I'm not even sure I'd want a full frame 36x24 digital if they made one. Regards, John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leon Altoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2008 12:12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: What plans do you have for old digital SLRs? Hi All, I was wondering on this cold and wet weekend as I nurse my cold (Melbourne winters are SO much fun) what I'm going to do with my ever increasing digital SLR collection. It's not really worth while selling them off, but I also don't want to keep them in a cupboard for the rest of eternity. I normally have 2 cameras in operation. A field camera, that I won't loose sleep over if it ends up being dropped into sea water and for want of a better term a studio camera that I use when the danger is not imminent. The current field camera is an istD, the studio camera is a K10D and I have a retired (or spare) istD doing nothing. I've resisted the K20D simply because I don't want to have too many cameras without a purpose. But the K30D is on the list and at that point I have 2 istD's sitting around. This might be a good time to start playing with stereo photography, all I need is a second of one of the lenses I already own and I'm away. When the K10D is retired it may end up being converted to IR. Given new cameras coming out every couple of years and even buying into every second generation I'm going to drown in cameras eventually if I don't find uses for them. Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? -- Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey, I still have all my Pentax equipment - ME, Super Program, PZ-1, *istDS, K10D, plus the K20D I'm shooting now. Space is no problem and their monitary value at end of life was easily eclipsed by their sentimental value and how it feels to shoot with them. I've got my dad's Retina IIIc too, the 1st 35mm I borrowed. Who could sell these old friends. Maybe if I bought camera after camera after camera looking for that special something they market in their advertising, I would have owned more and cycled thru things like you. I think the photographer has more to do with the image than the camera or lens. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use any camera I have. For ones I'm relying upon for my work, I have two identical bodies. When I stop using a camera, I sell it. Same for lenses. Absolutely no point for me to keep equipment taking up space in the closet that I'm not using. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Leon Altoff wrote: Hi All, I was wondering on this cold and wet weekend as I nurse my cold (Melbourne winters are SO much fun) what I'm going to do with my ever increasing digital SLR collection. It's not really worth while selling them off, but I also don't want to keep them in a cupboard for the rest of eternity. I normally have 2 cameras in operation. A field camera, that I won't loose sleep over if it ends up being dropped into sea water and for want of a better term a studio camera that I use when the danger is not imminent. The current field camera is an istD, the studio camera is a K10D and I have a retired (or spare) istD doing nothing. I've resisted the K20D simply because I don't want to have too many cameras without a purpose. But the K30D is on the list and at that point I have 2 istD's sitting around. This might be a good time to start playing with stereo photography, all I need is a second of one of the lenses I already own and I'm away. When the K10D is retired it may end up being converted to IR. Given new cameras coming out every couple of years and even buying into every second generation I'm going to drown in cameras eventually if I don't find uses for them. Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? You are not supposed to worry about this sort of thing until the pile reaches your breathing aperture. Carry on buying. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A perception question. I had no problem having a large number of film cameras and funds permitting, wouldn't have thought twice about adding another. Digital is different; I have two DSLRs and would love to add a K20D but a third DSLR seems too much. I expect I've got it in my mind that this is a disposable electronic gadget - but the *ist D I bought as soon as it was released has been a continual joy. Perhaps it's time to readjust my perception? Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob, I have zero brand loyalty and very little sentimentality about cameras. I inherited my father's camera too, a fine 1953 Leica IIIf kit. He loved it. I found it a pain in the ass to use, and sold it after a year or two worth of trying to use it honoring his memory. His memory remains just as beloved and full of respect without the camera in my hands. It's all just equipment to do the job I want, which is to make photographs. I don't know why the insinuation regards marketing and advertising. I shot with Nikon SLRs and Leica RFs for thirty+ years. Had the same Nikon kit from 1981 to 2001, plus or minus a lens or body, and had mostly the same Leica kit for 13 years too. Why? because it did the job I wanted. I tried other 35mm equipment in that same time period to see what it might offer (Olympus and Contax) but always went back to the Nikon/Leica gear. I also shot subminiature and a lot of medium format ... not because of someone's advertising but because I like the formats. Digital capture was essentially new in 2002 for me. The cameras were an unknown and I needed to experiment to find out what suited me purposes, felt good in my use, and produced the goods. BTW: The Pentax kit is for sale. I've only made 120 exposures with the Pentax gear in the last 8 months. I'm happier and getting better results working with the other gear I have acquired ... that's all that matters to me. The equipment is transitory, I don't fall in love with objects. What you do is up to your own discretion. I don't disparage it, but I also don't participate in your emotional attachments to equipment. Godfrey On Aug 10, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Godfrey, I still have all my Pentax equipment - ME, Super Program, PZ-1, *istDS, K10D, plus the K20D I'm shooting now. Space is no problem and their monitary value at end of life was easily eclipsed by their sentimental value and how it feels to shoot with them. I've got my dad's Retina IIIc too, the 1st 35mm I borrowed. Who could sell these old friends. Maybe if I bought camera after camera after camera looking for that special something they market in their advertising, I would have owned more and cycled thru things like you. I think the photographer has more to do with the image than the camera or lens. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use any camera I have. For ones I'm relying upon for my work, I have two identical bodies. When I stop using a camera, I sell it. Same for lenses. Absolutely no point for me to keep equipment taking up space in the closet that I'm not using. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you do is up to your own discretion. I don't disparage it, but I also don't participate in your emotional attachments to equipment. Godfrey, That's great, now just stop blowing your own horn about how good you are because you sell everything off as soon as you don't use it anymore. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/8/08, Leon Altoff, discombobulated, unleashed: Given new cameras coming out every couple of years and even buying into every second generation I'm going to drown in cameras eventually if I don't find uses for them. Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? I have 2 current cameras, only one a DSLR. It was new in 2004 and I am still using it. Just hiked up to the Pulpit Rock near Stavanger (Norway) with it and a 24-70 and 70-200 and it performed flawlessly, in the rain and sun. It's an EOS 1D mark II. That's four years old, 8MP and a sensor with a 1.3 crop and still on the front line. The other camera is a rangefinder, Epson R-D1 and although I love it very much, I could do with a faster buffer and the battery life is worse than abysmal. If they brought out an R-D2 I would buy it and eBay the R-D1 (as long as it was identical in every other way). I'm a happy camper - no plans to change or upgrade. Not for a few years yet. When I do it will be for a full frame version of the 1D, in whatever incarnation. HTH -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Other than trimming the leader, I find my Leica IIIf very simple to use. But each to his own. I also tend to stick with a brand and kit for financial reasons rather than brand loyalty. Hip-hopping from Nikon to Canon to Pentax to Olympus to whatever can get very expensive. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob, I have zero brand loyalty and very little sentimentality about cameras. I inherited my father's camera too, a fine 1953 Leica IIIf kit. He loved it. I found it a pain in the ass to use, and sold it after a year or two worth of trying to use it honoring his memory. His memory remains just as beloved and full of respect without the camera in my hands. It's all just equipment to do the job I want, which is to make photographs. I don't know why the insinuation regards marketing and advertising. I shot with Nikon SLRs and Leica RFs for thirty+ years. Had the same Nikon kit from 1981 to 2001, plus or minus a lens or body, and had mostly the same Leica kit for 13 years too. Why? because it did the job I wanted. I tried other 35mm equipment in that same time period to see what it might offer (Olympus and Contax) but always went back to the Nikon/Leica gear. I also shot subminiature and a lot of medium format ... not because of someone's advertising but because I like the formats. Digital capture was essentially new in 2002 for me. The cameras were an unknown and I needed to experiment to find out what suited me purposes, felt good in my use, and produced the goods. BTW: The Pentax kit is for sale. I've only made 120 exposures with the Pentax gear in the last 8 months. I'm happier and getting better results working with the other gear I have acquired ... that's all that matters to me. The equipment is transitory, I don't fall in love with objects. What you do is up to your own discretion. I don't disparage it, but I also don't participate in your emotional attachments to equipment. Godfrey On Aug 10, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Godfrey, I still have all my Pentax equipment - ME, Super Program, PZ-1, *istDS, K10D, plus the K20D I'm shooting now. Space is no problem and their monitary value at end of life was easily eclipsed by their sentimental value and how it feels to shoot with them. I've got my dad's Retina IIIc too, the 1st 35mm I borrowed. Who could sell these old friends. Maybe if I bought camera after camera after camera looking for that special something they market in their advertising, I would have owned more and cycled thru things like you. I think the photographer has more to do with the image than the camera or lens. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use any camera I have. For ones I'm relying upon for my work, I have two identical bodies. When I stop using a camera, I sell it. Same for lenses. Absolutely no point for me to keep equipment taking up space in the closet that I'm not using. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/8/08, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: Godfrey, That's great, now just stop blowing your own horn Mark! ;-)) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My *istD is basically just sitting there. I've tried to tempt my kids into taking pics with it, but they don't bite. If I could get some cash for it, I'd sell it, but it seems hardly worth the bother against the paternal hope for a sudden increase in the kid's interest. Then on the other hand, the K10D may be phased out before the kids ever get around... :-) I don't think twice about picking up the K10D over the K20D today, though. Both of them are very much adequate tools. Jostein 2008/8/10 Leon Altoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi All, I was wondering on this cold and wet weekend as I nurse my cold (Melbourne winters are SO much fun) what I'm going to do with my ever increasing digital SLR collection. It's not really worth while selling them off, but I also don't want to keep them in a cupboard for the rest of eternity. I normally have 2 cameras in operation. A field camera, that I won't loose sleep over if it ends up being dropped into sea water and for want of a better term a studio camera that I use when the danger is not imminent. The current field camera is an istD, the studio camera is a K10D and I have a retired (or spare) istD doing nothing. I've resisted the K20D simply because I don't want to have too many cameras without a purpose. But the K30D is on the list and at that point I have 2 istD's sitting around. This might be a good time to start playing with stereo photography, all I need is a second of one of the lenses I already own and I'm away. When the K10D is retired it may end up being converted to IR. Given new cameras coming out every couple of years and even buying into every second generation I'm going to drown in cameras eventually if I don't find uses for them. Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? -- Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 8/10/2008 4:16:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? -- Leon === Simple. I sell them on ebay (which I am doing right now, in fact). Sure, it won't pay for the cost of a new camera, but often it will pay for a new lens or pay for 1/2 to 3/4th of a new lens. And most of all, someone else gets a pretty darn good camera for a lot cheaper than retail price. In other words, pass the goodness around. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Malcolm I feel the same way, for me the upgrade path with film cameras was usually the medium (film), or a new lens, so it didn't matter that I was still using an MX when there were newer models available, besides I enjoyed using the MX. I waited until the MZ-3 before having a camera with AF. But now the medium is in the camera and it's a whole new ball game. I still own 2x MX, 2x KX, 1x LX, 2x Super A, 2x MZ-3 and a 645 plus various spare parts bodies. Regards, John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2008 20:46 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: What plans do you have for old digital SLRs? A perception question. I had no problem having a large number of film cameras and funds permitting, wouldn't have thought twice about adding another. Digital is different; I have two DSLRs and would love to add a K20D but a third DSLR seems too much. I expect I've got it in my mind that this is a disposable electronic gadget - but the *ist D I bought as soon as it was released has been a continual joy. Perhaps it's time to readjust my perception? Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mine take up space in a wall unit, but i tend to rotate my Nikon gear for shows. My istD sits, and my K10D works. I'd like to sell some, but can't do it. Dave On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use any camera I have. For ones I'm relying upon for my work, I have two identical bodies. When I stop using a camera, I sell it. Same for lenses. Absolutely no point for me to keep equipment taking up space in the closet that I'm not using. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I tend to hang onto cameras. In all honestly, I should dump most of my film cameras. The problem is that I'd keep the nicest one (the Mz-s) and then get so little for the others it wouldn't be worth selling. I gave my MX and ZX-7 to the Art dept. for photo classes and I kept the MZ-S, the Sp500, and the 645. Keeping the SP500 (vs the MX) is definitely a sentimental choice but it still works fine and it was my first camera. I'm always amazed how intrigued students are by a screwmount lens. Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/10/2008 4:04 PM Bob, I have zero brand loyalty and very little sentimentality about cameras. I inherited my father's camera too, a fine 1953 Leica IIIf kit. He loved it. I found it a pain in the ass to use, and sold it after a year or two worth of trying to use it honoring his memory. His memory remains just as beloved and full of respect without the camera in my hands. It's all just equipment to do the job I want, which is to make photographs. I don't know why the insinuation regards marketing and advertising. I shot with Nikon SLRs and Leica RFs for thirty+ years. Had the same Nikon kit from 1981 to 2001, plus or minus a lens or body, and had mostly the same Leica kit for 13 years too. Why? because it did the job I wanted. I tried other 35mm equipment in that same time period to see what it might offer (Olympus and Contax) but always went back to the Nikon/Leica gear. I also shot subminiature and a lot of medium format ... not because of someone's advertising but because I like the formats. Digital capture was essentially new in 2002 for me. The cameras were an unknown and I needed to experiment to find out what suited me purposes, felt good in my use, and produced the goods. BTW: The Pentax kit is for sale. I've only made 120 exposures with the Pentax gear in the last 8 months. I'm happier and getting better results working with the other gear I have acquired ... that's all that matters to me. The equipment is transitory, I don't fall in love with objects. What you do is up to your own discretion. I don't disparage it, but I also don't participate in your emotional attachments to equipment. Godfrey On Aug 10, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Godfrey, I still have all my Pentax equipment - ME, Super Program, PZ-1, *istDS, K10D, plus the K20D I'm shooting now. Space is no problem and their monitary value at end of life was easily eclipsed by their sentimental value and how it feels to shoot with them. I've got my dad's Retina IIIc too, the 1st 35mm I borrowed. Who could sell these old friends. Maybe if I bought camera after camera after camera looking for that special something they market in their advertising, I would have owned more and cycled thru things like you. I think the photographer has more to do with the image than the camera or lens. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use any camera I have. For ones I'm relying upon for my work, I have two identical bodies. When I stop using a camera, I sell it. Same for lenses. Absolutely no point for me to keep equipment taking up space in the closet that I'm not using. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:489f4e8737576241710186! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I still have my SP500 as well.:-) Also two K1000's,SP, 6x7 and a YM, film gear, i would like to sell, but, i'm a pack rat and probably never will. Maybe i'll sell the istD, now that i have the G3 converted to IR. I was at Henrys on Friday and they had three used K1000's in the display case, all around $289 Canadian Dave On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tend to hang onto cameras. In all honestly, I should dump most of my film cameras. The problem is that I'd keep the nicest one (the Mz-s) and then get so little for the others it wouldn't be worth selling. I gave my MX and ZX-7 to the Art dept. for photo classes and I kept the MZ-S, the Sp500, and the 645. Keeping the SP500 (vs the MX) is definitely a sentimental choice but it still works fine and it was my first camera. I'm always amazed how intrigued students are by a screwmount lens. Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/10/2008 4:04 PM Bob, I have zero brand loyalty and very little sentimentality about cameras. I inherited my father's camera too, a fine 1953 Leica IIIf kit. He loved it. I found it a pain in the ass to use, and sold it after a year or two worth of trying to use it honoring his memory. His memory remains just as beloved and full of respect without the camera in my hands. It's all just equipment to do the job I want, which is to make photographs. I don't know why the insinuation regards marketing and advertising. I shot with Nikon SLRs and Leica RFs for thirty+ years. Had the same Nikon kit from 1981 to 2001, plus or minus a lens or body, and had mostly the same Leica kit for 13 years too. Why? because it did the job I wanted. I tried other 35mm equipment in that same time period to see what it might offer (Olympus and Contax) but always went back to the Nikon/Leica gear. I also shot subminiature and a lot of medium format ... not because of someone's advertising but because I like the formats. Digital capture was essentially new in 2002 for me. The cameras were an unknown and I needed to experiment to find out what suited me purposes, felt good in my use, and produced the goods. BTW: The Pentax kit is for sale. I've only made 120 exposures with the Pentax gear in the last 8 months. I'm happier and getting better results working with the other gear I have acquired ... that's all that matters to me. The equipment is transitory, I don't fall in love with objects. What you do is up to your own discretion. I don't disparage it, but I also don't participate in your emotional attachments to equipment. Godfrey On Aug 10, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Godfrey, I still have all my Pentax equipment - ME, Super Program, PZ-1, *istDS, K10D, plus the K20D I'm shooting now. Space is no problem and their monitary value at end of life was easily eclipsed by their sentimental value and how it feels to shoot with them. I've got my dad's Retina IIIc too, the 1st 35mm I borrowed. Who could sell these old friends. Maybe if I bought camera after camera after camera looking for that special something they market in their advertising, I would have owned more and cycled thru things like you. I think the photographer has more to do with the image than the camera or lens. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use any camera I have. For ones I'm relying upon for my work, I have two identical bodies. When I stop using a camera, I sell it. Same for lenses. Absolutely no point for me to keep equipment taking up space in the closet that I'm not using. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:489f4e8737576241710186! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Funny how the K1000 still sells for more than it did new... (I've seen good used LXs selling for less). David J Brooks wrote: I still have my SP500 as well.:-) Also two K1000's,SP, 6x7 and a YM, film gear, i would like to sell, but, i'm a pack rat and probably never will. Maybe i'll sell the istD, now that i have the G3 converted to IR. I was at Henrys on Friday and they had three used K1000's in the display case, all around $289 Canadian Dave On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tend to hang onto cameras. In all honestly, I should dump most of my film cameras. The problem is that I'd keep the nicest one (the Mz-s) and then get so little for the others it wouldn't be worth selling. I gave my MX and ZX-7 to the Art dept. for photo classes and I kept the MZ-S, the Sp500, and the 645. Keeping the SP500 (vs the MX) is definitely a sentimental choice but it still works fine and it was my first camera. I'm always amazed how intrigued students are by a screwmount lens. Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/10/2008 4:04 PM Bob, I have zero brand loyalty and very little sentimentality about cameras. I inherited my father's camera too, a fine 1953 Leica IIIf kit. He loved it. I found it a pain in the ass to use, and sold it after a year or two worth of trying to use it honoring his memory. His memory remains just as beloved and full of respect without the camera in my hands. It's all just equipment to do the job I want, which is to make photographs. I don't know why the insinuation regards marketing and advertising. I shot with Nikon SLRs and Leica RFs for thirty+ years. Had the same Nikon kit from 1981 to 2001, plus or minus a lens or body, and had mostly the same Leica kit for 13 years too. Why? because it did the job I wanted. I tried other 35mm equipment in that same time period to see what it might offer (Olympus and Contax) but always went back to the Nikon/Leica gear. I also shot subminiature and a lot of medium format ... not because of someone's advertising but because I like the formats. Digital capture was essentially new in 2002 for me. The cameras were an unknown and I needed to experiment to find out what suited me purposes, felt good in my use, and produced the goods. BTW: The Pentax kit is for sale. I've only made 120 exposures with the Pentax gear in the last 8 months. I'm happier and getting better results working with the other gear I have acquired ... that's all that matters to me. The equipment is transitory, I don't fall in love with objects. What you do is up to your own discretion. I don't disparage it, but I also don't participate in your emotional attachments to equipment. Godfrey On Aug 10, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Godfrey, I still have all my Pentax equipment - ME, Super Program, PZ-1, *istDS, K10D, plus the K20D I'm shooting now. Space is no problem and their monitary value at end of life was easily eclipsed by their sentimental value and how it feels to shoot with them. I've got my dad's Retina IIIc too, the 1st 35mm I borrowed. Who could sell these old friends. Maybe if I bought camera after camera after camera looking for that special something they market in their advertising, I would have owned more and cycled thru things like you. I think the photographer has more to do with the image than the camera or lens. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use any camera I have. For ones I'm relying upon for my work, I have two identical bodies. When I stop using a camera, I sell it. Same for lenses. Absolutely no point for me to keep equipment taking up space in the closet that I'm not using. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:489f4e8737576241710186! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually, Henry's used prices are just bad, often 2-3x the actual worth of the camera. Their lens prices are better, but if you like old film camera it's better to go to their outlet store which has sane pricing. K1000's are worth $100-150CDN -Adam On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:14 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny how the K1000 still sells for more than it did new... (I've seen good used LXs selling for less). David J Brooks wrote: I still have my SP500 as well.:-) Also two K1000's,SP, 6x7 and a YM, film gear, i would like to sell, but, i'm a pack rat and probably never will. Maybe i'll sell the istD, now that i have the G3 converted to IR. I was at Henrys on Friday and they had three used K1000's in the display case, all around $289 Canadian Dave On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tend to hang onto cameras. In all honestly, I should dump most of my film cameras. The problem is that I'd keep the nicest one (the Mz-s) and then get so little for the others it wouldn't be worth selling. I gave my MX and ZX-7 to the Art dept. for photo classes and I kept the MZ-S, the Sp500, and the 645. Keeping the SP500 (vs the MX) is definitely a sentimental choice but it still works fine and it was my first camera. I'm always amazed how intrigued students are by a screwmount lens. Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/10/2008 4:04 PM Bob, I have zero brand loyalty and very little sentimentality about cameras. I inherited my father's camera too, a fine 1953 Leica IIIf kit. He loved it. I found it a pain in the ass to use, and sold it after a year or two worth of trying to use it honoring his memory. His memory remains just as beloved and full of respect without the camera in my hands. It's all just equipment to do the job I want, which is to make photographs. I don't know why the insinuation regards marketing and advertising. I shot with Nikon SLRs and Leica RFs for thirty+ years. Had the same Nikon kit from 1981 to 2001, plus or minus a lens or body, and had mostly the same Leica kit for 13 years too. Why? because it did the job I wanted. I tried other 35mm equipment in that same time period to see what it might offer (Olympus and Contax) but always went back to the Nikon/Leica gear. I also shot subminiature and a lot of medium format ... not because of someone's advertising but because I like the formats. Digital capture was essentially new in 2002 for me. The cameras were an unknown and I needed to experiment to find out what suited me purposes, felt good in my use, and produced the goods. BTW: The Pentax kit is for sale. I've only made 120 exposures with the Pentax gear in the last 8 months. I'm happier and getting better results working with the other gear I have acquired ... that's all that matters to me. The equipment is transitory, I don't fall in love with objects. What you do is up to your own discretion. I don't disparage it, but I also don't participate in your emotional attachments to equipment. Godfrey On Aug 10, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Godfrey, I still have all my Pentax equipment - ME, Super Program, PZ-1, *istDS, K10D, plus the K20D I'm shooting now. Space is no problem and their monitary value at end of life was easily eclipsed by their sentimental value and how it feels to shoot with them. I've got my dad's Retina IIIc too, the 1st 35mm I borrowed. Who could sell these old friends. Maybe if I bought camera after camera after camera looking for that special something they market in their advertising, I would have owned more and cycled thru things like you. I think the photographer has more to do with the image than the camera or lens. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use any camera I have. For ones I'm relying upon for my work, I have two identical bodies. When I stop using a camera, I sell it. Same for lenses. Absolutely no point for me to keep equipment taking up space in the closet that I'm not using. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:489f4e8737576241710186! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
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I didn't say it wasn't simple to use. I said I found it a pain in the ass to use ... I didn't give a reason. The pain in the ass was that my father adored that camera and kept it pristine perfect, as if it had never been touched. I take care of my equipment but I don't treat it like sacred objects. Using his camera was a pain in the ass because whenever a little bit of dust or dirt would get on it, I could hear him in my head saying to be careful, clean it now, etc etc. I owned and used a IIf and IIc for 18 years. No problems. They were my cameras, to do with as I pleased. Godfrey On Aug 10, 2008, at 1:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other than trimming the leader, I find my Leica IIIf very simple to use. But each to his own. I also tend to stick with a brand and kit for financial reasons rather than brand loyalty. Hip-hopping from Nikon to Canon to Pentax to Olympus to whatever can get very expensive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use any camera I have. For ones I'm relying upon for my work, I have two identical bodies. When I stop using a camera, I sell it. Same for lenses. Absolutely no point for me to keep equipment taking up space in the closet that I'm not using. Where in the above comment was I blowing my own horn? I cannot fathom what has made such a negative impression on you. Someone asked for what others planned to do with their equipment. This is what I do. I don't care what you do. Godfrey On Aug 10, 2008, at 1:09 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Godfrey, That's great, now just stop blowing your own horn about how good you are because you sell everything off as soon as you don't use it anymore. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But we are all interested in what you do, Godfrey, auto-pneumatics aside. ;-) I understand exactly what you mean about your father's camera. I'm the sort that tends to break things (hence my interest in entropy) so I'm always impressed with anything that has survived an association with me for an extended period. Inherited stuff tends to sit in drawers because I can never be completely comfortable using it. Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/10/2008 7:09 PM On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use any camera I have. For ones I'm relying upon for my work, I have two identical bodies. When I stop using a camera, I sell it. Same for lenses. Absolutely no point for me to keep equipment taking up space in the closet that I'm not using. Where in the above comment was I blowing my own horn? I cannot fathom what has made such a negative impression on you. Someone asked for what others planned to do with their equipment. This is what I do. I don't care what you do. Godfrey On Aug 10, 2008, at 1:09 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Godfrey, That's great, now just stop blowing your own horn about how good you are because you sell everything off as soon as you don't use it anymore. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:489f7571235271794939469! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 10, 2008, at 4:26 PM, Steve Desjardins wrote: But we are all interested in what you do, Godfrey, auto-pneumatics aside. ;-) Evidently. I'm both flattered by the attention and a little horrified ... G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If I *HAD* any old DSLRs, I'd keep them. My year a few months K10D is my 1st DSLR. I suspect, however, that as time passes I'll acquire more photography equipment keep it. I have 2 nephews; they might like to try photography. my brother likes photography, but can't afford to own a DSLR--I'd probably pass on equipment to him. Cheers, Christine In a message dated 8/10/2008 4:16:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone else thought of this or already run into the problem? and if so what have you done/plan to do? -- Leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
