RE: Street photography enablement.
Larry Colen wrote: >Paul via phone > >> On Dec 3, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> You may well find that the k3 does better for action photography than >the k1 anyways, even with the k1 in crop mode. > >I have not found that to be the case. Whether shooting automobiles, >athletes or critters, the K-1 locks focus quickly and consistently, >particularly with the 150-450. The K-3 is at least a step behind. >Buffer size is the only minus, but shooting singles or short and >infrequent bursts is my workaround. That's a trade-off I've found, I don't know where he falls on that balance. Both reach and buffer size are alleviated by shooting in crop mode. Does anyone on the list have a k70? Interesting comments. I'm happy in most respects for using the K3 & 55-300mm for horse events. Why I'd prefer the K1 & DFA 150-450, apart from the extra megapixels, doesn't really trouble me about capturing movement - it's light. The K1 performs better at higher ISO, and some of the venues I go to, particularly in the morning, can be bright sunshine on one side and really dark on the other. They are often held in large indoor schools (although one side is often without a wall, just roof supports) and photography is only often allowed from one side, and of course often the side furthest from the action. When taking pictures of horses in fields, even running around at speed, I'm usually using a tripod, or leaning on a bale of something. The K3 is fine for that and the reach of a crop sensor does me a favour. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street photography enablement.
On December 3, 2016 10:16:38 AM PST, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > >Paul via phone > >> On Dec 3, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> You may well find that the k3 does better for action photography than >the k1 anyways, even with the k1 in crop mode. > >I have not found that to be the case. Whether shooting automobiles, >athletes or critters, the K-1 locks focus quickly and consistently, >particularly with the 150-450. The K-3 is at least a step behind. >Buffer size is the only minus, but shooting singles or short and >infrequent bursts is my workaround. That's a trade-off I've found, I don't know where he falls on that balance. Both reach and buffer size are alleviated by shooting in crop mode. Does anyone on the list have a k70? >> >> >>> On December 3, 2016 5:51:27 AM PST, Malcolm Smith > wrote: >>> Bipin Gupta wrote: >>> >>> Malcolm you did well to buy the 31 mm Prime - the best lens for >Street >>> Photography. >>> >>> The Pentax 150-450 Zoom would have looked like a BAZOOKA on the K-1, >>> scaring >>> a lot of people on the Streets. >>> >>> As it is a DSLR is a slight disadvantage for Street Photographers >>> because of >>> its size. >>> >>> Happy shooting - post lots of photos please. >>> +++ >>> >>> Thanks Bipin. My choice was really between street photography and >>> equine >>> photography - the need for the DFA 150-450. I figured I could hold >out >>> a >>> little while more for the longer lens, as I have the 55-300mm with a >>> K3. I >>> don't really have anything suitable for street photography, other >than >>> a >>> zoom or a 50mm. I did consider the 21mm LTD but I want to slowly get >FF >>> compatible lenses. The 31mm will push me out of my comfort zone, and >is >>> what >>> I need right now. I'm taking pictures in part, from too far away, or >>> not >>> quite getting the composition right in camera. >>> >>> I suspect I'll use it a lot on livery yards too, so a win win! >>> >>> Malcolm >> >> -- >> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse any swypos. >> http://red4est.com/lrc >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse any swypos. http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street photography enablement.
Paul via phone > On Dec 3, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > You may well find that the k3 does better for action photography than the k1 > anyways, even with the k1 in crop mode. I have not found that to be the case. Whether shooting automobiles, athletes or critters, the K-1 locks focus quickly and consistently, particularly with the 150-450. The K-3 is at least a step behind. Buffer size is the only minus, but shooting singles or short and infrequent bursts is my workaround. > > >> On December 3, 2016 5:51:27 AM PST, Malcolm Smith >> wrote: >> Bipin Gupta wrote: >> >> Malcolm you did well to buy the 31 mm Prime - the best lens for Street >> Photography. >> >> The Pentax 150-450 Zoom would have looked like a BAZOOKA on the K-1, >> scaring >> a lot of people on the Streets. >> >> As it is a DSLR is a slight disadvantage for Street Photographers >> because of >> its size. >> >> Happy shooting - post lots of photos please. >> +++ >> >> Thanks Bipin. My choice was really between street photography and >> equine >> photography - the need for the DFA 150-450. I figured I could hold out >> a >> little while more for the longer lens, as I have the 55-300mm with a >> K3. I >> don't really have anything suitable for street photography, other than >> a >> zoom or a 50mm. I did consider the 21mm LTD but I want to slowly get FF >> compatible lenses. The 31mm will push me out of my comfort zone, and is >> what >> I need right now. I'm taking pictures in part, from too far away, or >> not >> quite getting the composition right in camera. >> >> I suspect I'll use it a lot on livery yards too, so a win win! >> >> Malcolm > > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse any swypos. > http://red4est.com/lrc > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Street photography enablement.
You may well find that the k3 does better for action photography than the k1 anyways, even with the k1 in crop mode. On December 3, 2016 5:51:27 AM PST, Malcolm Smith wrote: >Bipin Gupta wrote: > >Malcolm you did well to buy the 31 mm Prime - the best lens for Street >Photography. > >The Pentax 150-450 Zoom would have looked like a BAZOOKA on the K-1, >scaring >a lot of people on the Streets. > >As it is a DSLR is a slight disadvantage for Street Photographers >because of >its size. > >Happy shooting - post lots of photos please. >+++ > >Thanks Bipin. My choice was really between street photography and >equine >photography - the need for the DFA 150-450. I figured I could hold out >a >little while more for the longer lens, as I have the 55-300mm with a >K3. I >don't really have anything suitable for street photography, other than >a >zoom or a 50mm. I did consider the 21mm LTD but I want to slowly get FF >compatible lenses. The 31mm will push me out of my comfort zone, and is >what >I need right now. I'm taking pictures in part, from too far away, or >not >quite getting the composition right in camera. > >I suspect I'll use it a lot on livery yards too, so a win win! > >Malcolm -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse any swypos. http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Street photography enablement.
Bipin Gupta wrote: Malcolm you did well to buy the 31 mm Prime - the best lens for Street Photography. The Pentax 150-450 Zoom would have looked like a BAZOOKA on the K-1, scaring a lot of people on the Streets. As it is a DSLR is a slight disadvantage for Street Photographers because of its size. Happy shooting - post lots of photos please. +++ Thanks Bipin. My choice was really between street photography and equine photography - the need for the DFA 150-450. I figured I could hold out a little while more for the longer lens, as I have the 55-300mm with a K3. I don't really have anything suitable for street photography, other than a zoom or a 50mm. I did consider the 21mm LTD but I want to slowly get FF compatible lenses. The 31mm will push me out of my comfort zone, and is what I need right now. I'm taking pictures in part, from too far away, or not quite getting the composition right in camera. I suspect I'll use it a lot on livery yards too, so a win win! Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Street photography enablement.
Mark Roberts wrote: You'll love it. My standard kit with the K-1 is the FA 20/2.8, 31/1.8 Ltd and 77/1.8 Ltd. + Thanks Mark. Now that is a kit! Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street photography enablement.
Malcolm Smith wrote: >The next lens I wanted to buy was the DFA 150-450mm, but I really wanted a >prime for street photography. The K1 warrants decent glass. I thought long >and hard, the Black Friday sale helped too, and I've gone for the 31mm LTD. >I've not owned a LTD lens before and I'm delighted after so long to finally >own one. I'm looking forward to seeing what I can achieve with this >combination, and I'm particularly pleased to have a prime lens again and use >my legs as the zoom. You'll love it. My standard kit with the K-1 is the FA 20/2.8, 31/1.8 Ltd and 77/1.8 Ltd. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Street photography enablement.
Paul Stenquist wrote: Good choice. Enjoy! ++ Thanks Paul! Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street photography enablement.
Good choice. Enjoy! Paul via phone > On Dec 3, 2016, at 6:02 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote: > > I've spent some time taking street photos again, always with a zoom and with > very mixed results. > > > > The next lens I wanted to buy was the DFA 150-450mm, but I really wanted a > prime for street photography. The K1 warrants decent glass. I thought long > and hard, the Black Friday sale helped too, and I've gone for the 31mm LTD. > I've not owned a LTD lens before and I'm delighted after so long to finally > own one. I'm looking forward to seeing what I can achieve with this > combination, and I'm particularly pleased to have a prime lens again and use > my legs as the zoom. > > > > > > Malcolm > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street photography article
Interesting read, thanks for posting Christine On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: > FYI. Cheers, Christine > > http://m.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/apr/18/street-photography-privacy-surveillance?cat=artanddesign&type=article > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street photography article
Interesting. I've never been much of a street photographer because, given my own nature, it makes me uncomfortable. I do enjoy the work of others. On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: > FYI. Cheers, Christine > > http://m.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/apr/18/street-photography-privacy-surveillance?cat=artanddesign&type=article > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street photography article
There's already an officially approved camera. Everyone knows you can't be a street photographer if you don't use Leica. On 8/22/2011 8:58 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 11-08-22 1:58 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: FYI. Cheers, Christine http://m.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/apr/18/street-photography-privacy-surveillance?cat=artanddesign&type=article Fascinating, Christine; thanks for that. I was half-expecting that Matt Stuart character to add to his Definition of Street Photography that the practitioner must also use only an Officially Approved camera and the correct clothing. Purists: phxxzt! -bmw -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street photography article
On 11-08-22 1:58 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: FYI. Cheers, Christine http://m.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/apr/18/street-photography-privacy-surveillance?cat=artanddesign&type=article Fascinating, Christine; thanks for that. I was half-expecting that Matt Stuart character to add to his Definition of Street Photography that the practitioner must also use only an Officially Approved camera and the correct clothing. Purists: phxxzt! -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street Photography in London
Chris Mitchell wrote: >Mark Roberts wrote: >> >> Good stuff. >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12464386 >> >I'm going with a couple of work colleagues on Saturday 26 Feb. > >Anyone who fancies tagging along would be most welcome. Let me see if I can round up the air fare... -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Street Photography in London
> > Good stuff. > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12464386 > > > I'm going with a couple of work colleagues on Saturday 26 Feb. > > Anyone who fancies tagging along would be most welcome. > > Chris let me know your schedule and I'll try and join you. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Street Photography in London
Mark Roberts wrote: > > Good stuff. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12464386 > I'm going with a couple of work colleagues on Saturday 26 Feb. Anyone who fancies tagging along would be most welcome. Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Street Photography in London
looks like a nice lunchtime for me when it opens - it's only 5 minutes from where I work. Thanks for posting it. B > > Good stuff. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12464386 > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: street photography
On 18 April 2010 15:42, Bob W wrote: > > It's a lot easier if you send a different message. > > If you think that's the message of street photography you're missing the > point. > > John F's comment is spot on, though - there's a lot of pseudy billshut > around street photography. I agree with Bob. I photograph people who are interesting (to me) and who attract me for some reason or other. That they stand out in a crowd is a compliment, and a testament to their personality. Of course, I don't photograph people who are down on their luck. I don't find them "interesting" in the photographic sense and I don't want to benefit from their hardship. Cheers, --M. -- New Gallery: http://WorldOfMiserere.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: street photography
> > While I can certainly admire alot of the work of street > photographers, I just personally dislike being intrusive and > dislike sending the message "You're strange, I want a picture > of you." So I find it very difficult to do that kind of photography. > It's a lot easier if you send a different message. If you think that's the message of street photography you're missing the point. John F's comment is spot on, though - there's a lot of pseudy billshut around street photography. > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/apr/18/street-phot > ography-privacy-surveillance > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street Photography show in San Francisco
Hello, Delurking here to say how wonderful I think it is that Juan's photos will display in the Shenson Gallery. I used to work for this hospital and was acquainted with the 2 physicians for whom the gallery is named. The Shenson brothers were San Francisco natives who were great patrons of the arts. They made significant donations to art programs in the public schools (I, along with many others, benefited). The exact address is 900 Hyde Street. Way to go, Juan! -Pat On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: > http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 > > This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) > edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis > Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's > going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is > Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. > > Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please > disregard the slight toning variation in the files... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Street Photography show in San Francisco
Great stuff, Juan. Wish I could come over and see it. Bob > >> > >> http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 > >> > >> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street Photography show in San Francisco
>Incidentally, the show is being hanged tomorrow. I would think being hung would be less painful... And I certainly hope it is well hung Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Peter Alling" Subject: Re: Street Photography show in San Francisco >Incidentally, the show is being hanged tomorrow. I would think being hung would be less painful... -Original Message- From: Juan Buhler Sent: Jan 8, 2009 8:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Street Photography show in San Francisco Thanks Bruce! Incidentally, the show is being hanged tomorrow. So Thursday the 15th it will be up already. It's a few blocks from 100 Bush. You can always take the California cable car to Hyde Street... Cheers, j On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Great stuff as usual! I come in to the city every Thursday to work. My office is at 100 Bush - the Shell Building - sounds like it is very near. So I'll be in the office on the 15th. Sorry that it won't be shown before the 16th. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 4:48:29 PM, you wrote: JB> Hello Pentaxians, JB> I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: JB> http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 JB> This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) JB> edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis JB> Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's JB> going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is JB> Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. JB> Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please JB> disregard the slight toning variation in the files... JB> Thanks! JB> j -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street Photography show in San Francisco
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Peter Alling wrote: > I would think being hung would be less painful... There's a dirty joke in there somewhere, but this is a family list. cheers, frank ;-) -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street Photography show in San Francisco
Good to know. I'll try to get over there to see it. -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, January 8, 2009, 5:19:01 PM, you wrote: JB> Thanks Bruce! JB> Incidentally, the show is being hanged tomorrow. So Thursday the 15th JB> it will be up already. It's a few blocks from 100 Bush. You can always JB> take the California cable car to Hyde Street... JB> Cheers, JB> j JB> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Bruce Dayton JB> wrote: >> Great stuff as usual! I come in to the city every Thursday to work. >> My office is at 100 Bush - the Shell Building - sounds like it is >> very near. So I'll be in the office on the 15th. Sorry that it >> won't be shown before the 16th. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Bruce >> >> >> Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 4:48:29 PM, you wrote: >> >> JB> Hello Pentaxians, >> >> JB> I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: >> >> JB> http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 >> >> JB> This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) >> JB> edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis >> JB> Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's >> JB> going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is >> JB> Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. >> >> JB> Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please >> JB> disregard the slight toning variation in the files... >> >> JB> Thanks! >> >> JB> j >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street Photography show in San Francisco
>Incidentally, the show is being hanged tomorrow. I would think being hung would be less painful... -Original Message- >From: Juan Buhler >Sent: Jan 8, 2009 8:19 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Street Photography show in San Francisco > >Thanks Bruce! > >Incidentally, the show is being hanged tomorrow. So Thursday the 15th >it will be up already. It's a few blocks from 100 Bush. You can always >take the California cable car to Hyde Street... > >Cheers, > >j > >On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: >> Great stuff as usual! I come in to the city every Thursday to work. >> My office is at 100 Bush - the Shell Building - sounds like it is >> very near. So I'll be in the office on the 15th. Sorry that it >> won't be shown before the 16th. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Bruce >> >> >> Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 4:48:29 PM, you wrote: >> >> JB> Hello Pentaxians, >> >> JB> I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: >> >> JB> http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 >> >> JB> This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) >> JB> edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis >> JB> Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's >> JB> going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is >> JB> Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. >> >> JB> Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please >> JB> disregard the slight toning variation in the files... >> >> JB> Thanks! >> >> JB> j >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > >-- >Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow >the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street Photography show in San Francisco
Ha! I'll gladly show in any museums! I wish it were that easy... Thanks Stan for the comments. j On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: > Juan - I can only echo what the others have said. This look like a great > show, I would love to see your prints in person. Could you please arrange to > have them shown at a museum closer to me? > Put my name on the list if you decide to do another book. > > The individual shots are nice in and of themselves. But I particularly like > the interplay among them. There is enough consistency to show your style, > your vision, but enough variation in subject and viewpoint to keep it > interesting. > > stan > > On Jan 8, 2009, at 10:55 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: > >> Hello again everybody >> >> Thanks for the overly warm comments! I frankly was a bit disappointed >> when I started editing this show--I was thinking "*this* is all I >> have?" It has grown on me a little since. >> >> The edit is now final. Also, if anyone care to see, I left the rest of >> the pictures I was considering visible. They are on pages 2 and 3 of >> that same gallery. Again, the link: >> >> http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 >> >> >> Comments, and not only praise, most welcome. I'm still tweaking the >> order, but the set is final. Everything printed and framed, and ready >> to hang tomorrow... >> >> Thanks for viewing. Oh, and BTW, a few of those images are from the >> K10D. At least one is from the istD. And there's even one--just >> one--that was shot on Kodak Tri-X. >> >> j >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: >>> >>> Hello Pentaxians, >>> >>> I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: >>> >>> http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 >>> >>> This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) >>> edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis >>> Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's >>> going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is >>> Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. >>> >>> Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please >>> disregard the slight toning variation in the files... >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> j >>> >>> -- >>> Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street Photography show in San Francisco
Juan - I can only echo what the others have said. This look like a great show, I would love to see your prints in person. Could you please arrange to have them shown at a museum closer to me? Put my name on the list if you decide to do another book. The individual shots are nice in and of themselves. But I particularly like the interplay among them. There is enough consistency to show your style, your vision, but enough variation in subject and viewpoint to keep it interesting. stan On Jan 8, 2009, at 10:55 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: Hello again everybody Thanks for the overly warm comments! I frankly was a bit disappointed when I started editing this show--I was thinking "*this* is all I have?" It has grown on me a little since. The edit is now final. Also, if anyone care to see, I left the rest of the pictures I was considering visible. They are on pages 2 and 3 of that same gallery. Again, the link: http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 Comments, and not only praise, most welcome. I'm still tweaking the order, but the set is final. Everything printed and framed, and ready to hang tomorrow... Thanks for viewing. Oh, and BTW, a few of those images are from the K10D. At least one is from the istD. And there's even one--just one--that was shot on Kodak Tri-X. j On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: Hello Pentaxians, I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please disregard the slight toning variation in the files... Thanks! j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Street Photography show in San Francisco
Hello again everybody Thanks for the overly warm comments! I frankly was a bit disappointed when I started editing this show--I was thinking "*this* is all I have?" It has grown on me a little since. The edit is now final. Also, if anyone care to see, I left the rest of the pictures I was considering visible. They are on pages 2 and 3 of that same gallery. Again, the link: http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 Comments, and not only praise, most welcome. I'm still tweaking the order, but the set is final. Everything printed and framed, and ready to hang tomorrow... Thanks for viewing. Oh, and BTW, a few of those images are from the K10D. At least one is from the istD. And there's even one--just one--that was shot on Kodak Tri-X. j On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: > Hello Pentaxians, > > I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: > > http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 > > This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) > edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis > Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's > going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is > Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. > > Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please > disregard the slight toning variation in the files... > > Thanks! > > j > > -- > Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com > -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Bruce! Incidentally, the show is being hanged tomorrow. So Thursday the 15th it will be up already. It's a few blocks from 100 Bush. You can always take the California cable car to Hyde Street... Cheers, j On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: > Great stuff as usual! I come in to the city every Thursday to work. > My office is at 100 Bush - the Shell Building - sounds like it is > very near. So I'll be in the office on the 15th. Sorry that it > won't be shown before the 16th. > > -- > Best regards, > Bruce > > > Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 4:48:29 PM, you wrote: > > JB> Hello Pentaxians, > > JB> I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: > > JB> http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 > > JB> This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) > JB> edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis > JB> Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's > JB> going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is > JB> Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. > > JB> Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please > JB> disregard the slight toning variation in the files... > > JB> Thanks! > > JB> j > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's on my calendar. I hope to be there! John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Opps, Juan. Dave On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:29 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > A great gallery Jaun. > > I like the young girls hanging out the street car?? window. Nice fun shot. > > Dave > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: >> Hello Pentaxians, >> >> I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: >> >> http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 >> >> This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) >> edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis >> Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's >> going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is >> Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. >> >> Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please >> disregard the slight toning variation in the files... >> >> Thanks! >> >> j >> >> -- >> Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Equine Photography > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > Ontario Canada > -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A great gallery Jaun. I like the young girls hanging out the street car?? window. Nice fun shot. Dave On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: > Hello Pentaxians, > > I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: > > http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 > > This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) > edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis > Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's > going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is > Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. > > Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please > disregard the slight toning variation in the files... > > Thanks! > > j > > -- > Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Juan, impressive pics. For me, http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009&image=L1002645.jpg , http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009&image=k10d8199.jpg and http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009&image=20081029-L1003929.jpg are the best ones. Very good! LF Juan Buhler escreveu: Hello Pentaxians, I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please disregard the slight toning variation in the files... Thanks! j -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Great stuff as usual! I come in to the city every Thursday to work. My office is at 100 Bush - the Shell Building - sounds like it is very near. So I'll be in the office on the 15th. Sorry that it won't be shown before the 16th. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 4:48:29 PM, you wrote: JB> Hello Pentaxians, JB> I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: JB> http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 JB> This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) JB> edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis JB> Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's JB> going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is JB> Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. JB> Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please JB> disregard the slight toning variation in the files... JB> Thanks! JB> j -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Juan Buhler wrote: Hello Pentaxians, I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 Terrific stuff, Juan! I'm in North Carolina, staying at my friends' cabin with only dial-up Internet. I wouldn't sit through these slow photo downloads for many photographers, but I knew before I began your gallery would be worth it ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: > Hello Pentaxians, > > I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: > > http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 > > This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) > edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis > Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's > going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is > Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. > > Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please > disregard the slight toning variation in the files... > > Thanks! Tremendous work (as usual). cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: > Put me down for a copy. An opportunity few would be able to pass.. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Juan that is a most excellent body of work Juan. Congratulations & good luck with the exhibition. Cheers, Dave 2009/1/8 Juan Buhler : > Hello Pentaxians, > > I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: > > http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 > > This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) > edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis > Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's > going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is > Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. > > Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please > disregard the slight toning variation in the files... > > Thanks! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/1/09, Juan Buhler, discombobulated, unleashed: >Hello Pentaxians, > >I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: > >http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 > >This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) >edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis >Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's >going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is >Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. > >Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please >disregard the slight toning variation in the files... > >Thanks! Good luck with the show Juan. As usual I absolutely love your work - consistently amongst the best reportage/street work I have ever come across. When's the next book? Put me down for a copy. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 Juan, these are simply wonderful. What an eye you have, and a quick finger as well. How I wish I could be in San Francisco to see your show. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Juan: The gallery is fantastic, but I especially love this one: http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009&image=img10300.jpg This shot just makes me giggle, I'm still giggling as I type. I hope you have a great opening and that your gallery is warmly received by all the visitors. Still giggling, Christine - Original Message - From: "Juan Buhler" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:48 PM Subject: Street Photography show in San Francisco Hello Pentaxians, I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please disregard the slight toning variation in the files... Thanks! j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ahh! Such a treat. Your work has always been interesting and artful. But now you've taken it to another level: you're telling great stories, full to the brim with great characterization and a huge dose of whimsy. Your pictures speak. Eloquently. They sing. Beautifully. A great gallery, Juan. Paul On Jan 7, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: Hello Pentaxians, I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please disregard the slight toning variation in the files... Thanks! j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 1/7/2009 4:49:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, juanbuhl e...@gmail.com writes: Hello Pentaxians, I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by this time) edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St Francis Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the area, there's going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The address is Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. Please disregard the slight toning variation in the files... Thanks! j Very interesting collection of photos. I enjoyed them all. You keep things others might discard, yet they work. I find that intriguing. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Rick Womer wrote: Great gallery, Juan. There is so much whimsy in there--I think my favorite is the cop carrying the toy police car, but there are so many others... What Rick said. I also really like the dog cowering behind the people watching the bird strutting down the street (10157). Priceless! -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Great gallery, Juan. There is so much whimsy in there--I think my favorite is the cop carrying the toy police car, but there are so many others... Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Juan Buhler wrote: > From: Juan Buhler > Subject: Street Photography show in San Francisco > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 7:48 PM > Hello Pentaxians, > > I leave my usual lurking state to throuw a link out there: > > http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=show2009 > > This is a preliminary (although it should be quite final by > this time) > edit for my next show, at the Shenson Gallery of the St > Francis > Memorial Hospital in San Francisco. If anyone is in the > area, there's > going to be an opening on Friday the 16th, at 6:30pm. The > address is > Hyde St, between Pine and Bush. > > Any comments about the set, or individual pictures welcome. > Please > disregard the slight toning variation in the files... > > Thanks! > > j > > -- > Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Street photography Cape Town style
Very clever. In Amsterdam - if you bicycle gets stolen. Ypou can walk around the next corner and buy a used one - perhaps even your own bike! Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Don Williams Sendt: 2. oktober 2006 13:40 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Street photography Cape Town style In Cape Town just after the war there was a company called Movie Snaps. They may still be there for all I know. They employed half a dozen men with Leicas (with 50ft magazines) who took your picture as you walked along and handed you a card with a number. The next day you could go to the shop and get a print. After a few weeks the rack (a huge array of pigeon holes behind the counter) was cleared of unclaimed photos. A smart chap used to collect these. He stationed himself on the street (far from the other photographers) probably with an empty camera and after clicking the shutter handed out a card and collected, in advance, a fee of half a crown. The difference was that he guaranteed to post the picture to the victim the very same day. He did, one chosen at random, from the unclaimed ones he'd got from Movie Snaps. I don't know whether he stole them, got them from the garbage, or bought them. I have no more details -- but presume that if there had been a complaint he'd have mailed a refund without hesitation. How many would bother I wonder? Don -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/01/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)
Jens, Thanks for the post. My hope is that politics and democracy will curb the excesses of capitalism. Many people in the US are concerned about the same social issues that you are. Many of them are capitalists and stockholders in public companies. Many of the companies are responding to stockholder's concerns about social responsibility. Regards, Bob S. On 9/30/06, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW: > Capitalism has - until now - been the most successfull economical/political > system. It has provided us with lots of food, maschines, medicine etc. This > is natures own system - the survival of the fitest. Unfortnalty this system > is - like nature- driven by profit - by the greed of the fitest (us). > IMO it will inevitably lead the destruction of nature - the destruction of > natures resources - in the end to the destruction of the planet. It works > like this: He/she who has commercial success gets rich. He/she who is rich > has the power to act, to make decisions, to influence the political powers > etc. etc. > > In a capitalistic system money rules - the rich people rules. But > unfortunately the commercially right decisions are not always the best > decisions. A capitalistic system will lead to global heating (!), > pollution, destruction of natures resources etc. etc. - and in the end - to > the destruction of the planet and the human race. IMO this system will > eventually have to be replaced by better system. A sytem where common sence, > respect for nature, for the planet, for all beings, replaces profit (greed) > as the "bottom line". Until then I'll support a system based on democracy - > a democracy that takes the side of loosers on this planet: Nature, the week > people, the poor people. That has got to be the social democrats - at > present. > > Jens Bladt > http://www.jensbladt.dk > +45 56 63 77 11 > +45 23 43 85 77 > Skype: jensbladt248 > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sendt: 30. september 2006 16:41 > Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Emne: RE: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists) > > > Doug wrote: > >European Socialism has it's > roots in the rigid class lines of the Feudal system. > > This is very far from the truth - at least very inacurate. > > Socialism has it's roots in the capitalistic class system or class division > between those who own land, machines, factories, buildings (capital) etc. on > one side - and those who owns nothing but their own hands (the ability to > work) on the other side - the working class. Socialism is a working class > ideology, whith the objective, that the working class must seize power - in > order to create - at first - working class dictatorship, which is later to > be replaced by a communist system - a classless society, where everything is > shared by everybody. > > Unfortunately a truely communist society has never yet been achieved > anywhere. Although many have tried. It seems that the human nature (egoism) > is causing the socialist sytsems to suffer from all kinds of corruption, > missuse of power etc. leading to disasterous systems of state-capitalism > (USSR, CHINA), that is often less human than a modern capitalic system - the > capitalistic democracy. > > Of course capitalism has it's root in the feudal system - so there is a > connection - the feudal system was a class divieded system as well. > Socialism has it's roots in the capitalistic system. Communism has it's > roots in socialism. > > The feudal division was enforced by the use of violence. The capitalistic > class divison is enforced by primarily economics and - in democarcies - also > by political power. > > Regards > Jens Bladt > http://www.jensbladt.dk > +45 56 63 77 11 > +45 23 43 85 77 > Skype: jensbladt248 > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af P. J. > Alling > Sendt: 27. september 2006 03:51 > Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Emne: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists) > > > The US hasn't had rigid class lines outside of the Northeast in the last > century or so. US divisions were more between nativists and immigrants, > and regional ties, (North vs. South, East vs. West). Even Black vs > White had all classes within each group. European Socialism has it's > roots in the rigid class lines of the Feudal system. > > Douglas Newman wrote: > > >--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >>That's certainly not true in the US. > >> > >> > > > >US politics are radically different than any other > >indust
RE: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)
BTW: Capitalism has - until now - been the most successfull economical/political system. It has provided us with lots of food, maschines, medicine etc. This is natures own system - the survival of the fitest. Unfortnalty this system is - like nature- driven by profit - by the greed of the fitest (us). IMO it will inevitably lead the destruction of nature - the destruction of natures resources - in the end to the destruction of the planet. It works like this: He/she who has commercial success gets rich. He/she who is rich has the power to act, to make decisions, to influence the political powers etc. etc. In a capitalistic system money rules - the rich people rules. But unfortunately the commercially right decisions are not always the best decisions. A capitalistic system will lead to global heating (!), pollution, destruction of natures resources etc. etc. - and in the end - to the destruction of the planet and the human race. IMO this system will eventually have to be replaced by better system. A sytem where common sence, respect for nature, for the planet, for all beings, replaces profit (greed) as the "bottom line". Until then I'll support a system based on democracy - a democracy that takes the side of loosers on this planet: Nature, the week people, the poor people. That has got to be the social democrats - at present. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 30. september 2006 16:41 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: RE: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists) Doug wrote: >European Socialism has it's roots in the rigid class lines of the Feudal system. This is very far from the truth - at least very inacurate. Socialism has it's roots in the capitalistic class system or class division between those who own land, machines, factories, buildings (capital) etc. on one side - and those who owns nothing but their own hands (the ability to work) on the other side - the working class. Socialism is a working class ideology, whith the objective, that the working class must seize power - in order to create - at first - working class dictatorship, which is later to be replaced by a communist system - a classless society, where everything is shared by everybody. Unfortunately a truely communist society has never yet been achieved anywhere. Although many have tried. It seems that the human nature (egoism) is causing the socialist sytsems to suffer from all kinds of corruption, missuse of power etc. leading to disasterous systems of state-capitalism (USSR, CHINA), that is often less human than a modern capitalic system - the capitalistic democracy. Of course capitalism has it's root in the feudal system - so there is a connection - the feudal system was a class divieded system as well. Socialism has it's roots in the capitalistic system. Communism has it's roots in socialism. The feudal division was enforced by the use of violence. The capitalistic class divison is enforced by primarily economics and - in democarcies - also by political power. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af P. J. Alling Sendt: 27. september 2006 03:51 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists) The US hasn't had rigid class lines outside of the Northeast in the last century or so. US divisions were more between nativists and immigrants, and regional ties, (North vs. South, East vs. West). Even Black vs White had all classes within each group. European Socialism has it's roots in the rigid class lines of the Feudal system. Douglas Newman wrote: >--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>That's certainly not true in the US. >> >> > >US politics are radically different than any other >industrialized country. The US doesn't even have a >substantial organized socialist party (in most other >industrialized countries, it's the biggest or >second-biggest one). > >Doug > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/456 - Release Date: 09/25/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 09/29/2006
RE: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)
Doug wrote: >European Socialism has it's roots in the rigid class lines of the Feudal system. This is very far from the truth - at least very inacurate. Socialism has it's roots in the capitalistic class system or class division between those who own land, machines, factories, buildings (capital) etc. on one side - and those who owns nothing but their own hands (the ability to work) on the other side - the working class. Socialism is a working class ideology, whith the objective, that the working class must seize power - in order to create - at first - working class dictatorship, which is later to be replaced by a communist system - a classless society, where everything is shared by everybody. Unfortunately a truely communist society has never yet been achieved anywhere. Although many have tried. It seems that the human nature (egoism) is causing the socialist sytsems to suffer from all kinds of corruption, missuse of power etc. leading to disasterous systems of state-capitalism (USSR, CHINA), that is often less human than a modern capitalic system - the capitalistic democracy. Of course capitalism has it's root in the feudal system - so there is a connection - the feudal system was a class divieded system as well. Socialism has it's roots in the capitalistic system. Communism has it's roots in socialism. The feudal division was enforced by the use of violence. The capitalistic class divison is enforced by primarily economics and - in democarcies - also by political power. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af P. J. Alling Sendt: 27. september 2006 03:51 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists) The US hasn't had rigid class lines outside of the Northeast in the last century or so. US divisions were more between nativists and immigrants, and regional ties, (North vs. South, East vs. West). Even Black vs White had all classes within each group. European Socialism has it's roots in the rigid class lines of the Feudal system. Douglas Newman wrote: >--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>That's certainly not true in the US. >> >> > >US politics are radically different than any other >industrialized country. The US doesn't even have a >substantial organized socialist party (in most other >industrialized countries, it's the biggest or >second-biggest one). > >Doug > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/456 - Release Date: 09/25/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 09/29/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)
frank theriault wrote: [...] > However, in urban areas - which are overloaded with cars, and have > much less green space to cleanse the air - nature is simply > overwhelmed, and pollution happens. It sort of reaches a "critical > mass", and then not much can be done about it. > > Does that make sense? (I fear I'm not being very articulate or coherent...) > > cheers, > frank No doubt in my mind that you're right about that! keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Den 29. sep. 2006 kl. 22.09 skrev frank theriault: > On 9/29/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> A fine answer, Frank. Reasonable and right. For you. >> All depends on where you live and your life style, doesn't it? > > It surely does. > >> If you happen to live in a city/community that has excellent public >> transportation, if you're not married or have a steady...etc. >> There are especially times in inclement weather (you certainly >> know about >> that!) that one needs covered transportation. For convenience, if >> not for your >> health! > > You are correct, sir! > >> Yes, there are alternatives in a city with good transportation. >> Unquestionably. >> A blown apart city like Los Angeles, with good distances between >> everything, >> requires you either grossly restructure your life to avoid the >> need to drive >> an IC-engined vehicle. >> Our public transportation covers the more popular corridors pretty >> well. >> But, many of the places you (I) want to go are well off that/those >> corridors... > > Agreed. > >> I think I could function very well in London or a London-styled >> city. Public >> transportation there is pure joy to a Los Angelean! > > I'm lucky in that I've lived in two large cities (Toronto and > Montreal) that each have very good public transportation systems. I > recognize that (a) not all urbanites are so lucky, and (b) living in a > small town often means that a car is a daily necessity. > > Personally (and this isn't backed up by any empirical evidence that I > know of), I think that nature has a great capacity to rid the air of > toxins, so that in rural areas, for instance, motor vehicles have much > less of an effect on the environment, as the trees (or whatever) > aren't overwhelmed and can "do their job" of cleaning crap out of the > air. > > However, in urban areas - which are overloaded with cars, and have > much less green space to cleanse the air - nature is simply > overwhelmed, and pollution happens. It sort of reaches a "critical > mass", and then not much can be done about it. > > Does that make sense? (I fear I'm not being very articulate or > coherent...) It does, to some degree, but the situation is a little more complicated. Oslo is not very large, it´s got a lot of trees, but it is placed in a valley and in cold still winter weather the warm polluted air is locked under a lid of cold air so it does not get out. Some days in winter we have the worst air in Europe. I think the real problem is that people don´t live in the area they work. DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Frank RE rural areas ability to clean the environment, you are only very partially correct. The stuff that stays close to the ground will be less of an impact due to lower concentrations but once in the atmosphere it is in the only atmosphere we have. Oviously closer to the source the more concentrated the toxic but pcbs for example have been taken from samples in the high arctic where there was no local source. Most likely they came north from the "centre of the universe" :) One of the things I dislike about my new job is the distance I need to travel everyday (100 km round trip) and I live in the closest real town to work. Need to get into a car pool but so far my hours have not been as regular as co-workers. Of course there is also the fact that we do use toxic material at work hence the need to keep a gas mask handy. They are a bitch to photograph through. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/29/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A fine answer, Frank. Reasonable and right. For you. > All depends on where you live and your life style, doesn't it? It surely does. > If you happen to live in a city/community that has excellent public > transportation, if you're not married or have a steady...etc. > There are especially times in inclement weather (you certainly know about > that!) that one needs covered transportation. For convenience, if not for your > health! You are correct, sir! > Yes, there are alternatives in a city with good transportation. > Unquestionably. > A blown apart city like Los Angeles, with good distances between everything, > requires you either grossly restructure your life to avoid the need to drive > an IC-engined vehicle. > Our public transportation covers the more popular corridors pretty well. > But, many of the places you (I) want to go are well off that/those > corridors... Agreed. > I think I could function very well in London or a London-styled city. Public > transportation there is pure joy to a Los Angelean! I'm lucky in that I've lived in two large cities (Toronto and Montreal) that each have very good public transportation systems. I recognize that (a) not all urbanites are so lucky, and (b) living in a small town often means that a car is a daily necessity. Personally (and this isn't backed up by any empirical evidence that I know of), I think that nature has a great capacity to rid the air of toxins, so that in rural areas, for instance, motor vehicles have much less of an effect on the environment, as the trees (or whatever) aren't overwhelmed and can "do their job" of cleaning crap out of the air. However, in urban areas - which are overloaded with cars, and have much less green space to cleanse the air - nature is simply overwhelmed, and pollution happens. It sort of reaches a "critical mass", and then not much can be done about it. Does that make sense? (I fear I'm not being very articulate or coherent...) cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sep 29, 2006, at 1:32 PM, keith_w wrote: > Back when I was piloting a Triumph TR-3 around (1957 or so) the > Sprite first > came out. Our sports car club met at an A.H. dealership in town. > I remember that first delivery, that the head mechanic bought on > the spot. > It was the *members* that were bug-eyed that night! > Yeah, I'd always sort of wanted one of those too... My sister still has one. She got it in the 70s and has kept it in good running condition ever since, even though she rarely drives it these days. It's British Racing Green, black leather seats. Fun little car. Occasionally I can talk her into letting me take it for a spin. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Where I live there was once lots of Mass Transit. You can still trace the old interurban and some of the local trolley lines, some have been made into linear parks. Unless you have a certain level of population density and no other alternatives they just aren't economically viable. The NY, HN & H Railroad bought up every trolley line between NY and Boston around the turn of the last century and destroyed itself as a viable economic entity in the process. The trolley building boom happened everywhere on the East Coast and elsewhere where there were sizable urban populations in the US. Only a few survived. If you look into it you'll probably find that there were even trolley lines where you live. Cities and larger towns would get their streets paved by letting the trolley company put in lines and requiring them to pave the road around the right of way. The rights of way reverted to the owners of the land and cities, when the companies went bust as most did, (they regularly went bust before the advent of cars, and the municipality would take over the lines within their jurisdiction, after cars became affordable and the bicycle clubs demanded and got good roads the trolleys didn't stand a chance, and neither did the bicyclists). The tracks either were left to rust buried under pavement or pulled up for scrap over the last 100 years. Bob Shell wrote: >On Sep 29, 2006, at 11:10 AM, frank theriault wrote: > > > >>What I'm against the the needless use of cars. Daily commutes when >>transit's available. Those 5 block drives to the corner store to buy >>beer. We have to understand that cars are bad for the environment. >>Because each individual car doesn't appear to do much harm, it's all >>to easy to say, "Oh well, this one little trip won't make a >>difference." - but when hundreds of millions of drivers each day say >>that, the affects are huge. >> >> > >Unfortunately, in many parts of the USA there is no mass transit. >The town I live in has no bus service and no passenger train service, >so if I go anywhere that's not in walking distance it has to be by >car. It was very short sighted for this country not to install mass >transit in the past, and now they say it is too expensive to build >now. One thing I love about going to Europe is being able to go most >places by train. I don't hate cars, but it is hard to really see >things when you must pay attention to the road and the idiot drivers >who are everywhere. > >Bob > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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frank theriault wrote: > On 9/28/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Why IS that, Frank? >> Other than the fact that one recently laid you up fairly well, that is! > Nah, that's got nothing to do with it, Keith. Besides (hard to > believe) it's been a year now! The accident was Oct 6, 2005. Amazing! I hope you're all mended by now. > In all seriousness, I have nothing against cars. Well, not much, anyway. > > In fact, I rather appreciate them from time to time. One day, if I > ever make enough money, I'd love to buy an old English sports car to > take out on lovely sunny summer afternoons. My all time fave would be > the Austin Healey Bugeye (Frogeye to you Brits) Sprite. Back when I was piloting a Triumph TR-3 around (1957 or so) the Sprite first came out. Our sports car club met at an A.H. dealership in town. I remember that first delivery, that the head mechanic bought on the spot. It was the *members* that were bug-eyed that night! Yeah, I'd always sort of wanted one of those too... > I'd also like > a Mazda Miata as a backup, for when the Sprite's in the shop (or as a > friend of mine who used to own a Big Healey called it: "Healey > Camp"). > > I actually go places from time to time in cars owned by friends and relatives. > > What I'm against the the needless use of cars. Daily commutes when > transit's available. Those 5 block drives to the corner store to buy > beer. Well, you're right there! I have a small Mom & Pop store 4 blocks away. I have walked it many times, but not enough, I'll admit. A lot of the problem, with me at least, is that my calendar is way too full to take the time for errands that would take 8-10 minutes by car, but over 30 minutes by bike. Not to mention the aggressive drivers here that will actually try to run a two-wheeler off the road if you're thought to be an impediment to their trip to wherever... I've been moved over when I was on a big motorcycle that is quite maneuverable and very visible... Still, close calls a-plenty. > We have to understand that cars are bad for the environment. > Because each individual car doesn't appear to do much harm, it's all > to easy to say, "Oh well, this one little trip won't make a > difference." - but when hundreds of millions of drivers each day say > that, the affects are huge. > > Anyway, I don't mean to prosteletyze (but I guess I am). > > I'm not anti-car, I'm pro "alternative transportation" (although > perhaps we should stop thinking of walking, mass transit and cycling > as "alternatives" - maybe motor vehicles should be the alternatives). > > cheers, > frank A fine answer, Frank. Reasonable and right. For you. All depends on where you live and your life style, doesn't it? If you happen to live in a city/community that has excellent public transportation, if you're not married or have a steady...etc. There are especially times in inclement weather (you certainly know about that!) that one needs covered transportation. For convenience, if not for your health! Yes, there are alternatives in a city with good transportation. Unquestionably. A blown apart city like Los Angeles, with good distances between everything, requires you either grossly restructure your life to avoid the need to drive an IC-engined vehicle. Our public transportation covers the more popular corridors pretty well. But, many of the places you (I) want to go are well off that/those corridors... I think I could function very well in London or a London-styled city. Public transportation there is pure joy to a Los Angelean! Thanks for the words... keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sep 29, 2006, at 11:10 AM, frank theriault wrote: > What I'm against the the needless use of cars. Daily commutes when > transit's available. Those 5 block drives to the corner store to buy > beer. We have to understand that cars are bad for the environment. > Because each individual car doesn't appear to do much harm, it's all > to easy to say, "Oh well, this one little trip won't make a > difference." - but when hundreds of millions of drivers each day say > that, the affects are huge. Unfortunately, in many parts of the USA there is no mass transit. The town I live in has no bus service and no passenger train service, so if I go anywhere that's not in walking distance it has to be by car. It was very short sighted for this country not to install mass transit in the past, and now they say it is too expensive to build now. One thing I love about going to Europe is being able to go most places by train. I don't hate cars, but it is hard to really see things when you must pay attention to the road and the idiot drivers who are everywhere. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/28/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why IS that, Frank? > Other than the fact that one recently laid you up fairly well, that is! > Nah, that's got nothing to do with it, Keith. Besides (hard to believe) it's been a year now! The accident was Oct 6, 2005. In all seriousness, I have nothing against cars. Well, not much, anyway. In fact, I rather appreciate them from time to time. One day, if I ever make enough money, I'd love to buy an old English sports car to take out on lovely sunny summer afternoons. My all time fave would be the Austin Healey Bugeye (Frogeye to you Brits) Sprite. I'd also like a Mazda Miata as a backup, for when the Sprite's in the shop (or as a friend of mine who used to own a Big Healey called it: "Healey Camp"). I actually go places from time to time in cars owned by friends and relatives. What I'm against the the needless use of cars. Daily commutes when transit's available. Those 5 block drives to the corner store to buy beer. We have to understand that cars are bad for the environment. Because each individual car doesn't appear to do much harm, it's all to easy to say, "Oh well, this one little trip won't make a difference." - but when hundreds of millions of drivers each day say that, the affects are huge. Anyway, I don't mean to prosteletyze (but I guess I am). I'm not anti-car, I'm pro "alternative transportation" (although perhaps we should stop thinking of walking, mass transit and cycling as "alternatives" - maybe motor vehicles should be the alternatives). cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/28/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Toronto drivers are idiots? Nah. I mean, they are, but the nice lady who hit me merely had a moment of inattention - could have happened at any place. cheers, frank (who so far has gotten enough money from insurance to buy a replacement bike - and that's it) -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/28/06, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your mother wears army boots. Only at the shooting range, during target practice... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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AFG needs body language to be understood. If you can understand it in print, it's not AFG. QED. Did you know Davy Crockett had three ears? > > From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/09/29 Fri AM 12:48:12 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics) > > I wouldn't know, how can you tell, in print that is... > > mike wilson wrote: > > >Not authentic Frontier Gibberish, though. > > > >P. J. Alling wrote: > > > > > > > >>Apparently Cotty speaks Gibberish... > >> > >>Cotty wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>On 27/9/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Det synes jeg vi skal gjøre en dag, på norsk, og legge inn noen ufine > >>>>kommentarer om amerikanske navlebeskuere .-) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Amerikanerne kunne studere deres egen navels , hvis bare de ville åpen > >>>deres øye! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. > > --Albert Einstein > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a message dated 9/28/2006 5:30:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dyslexics of the world untie. = Taht too. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Your mother wears army boots. frank theriault wrote: >On 9/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>If all the world's auto workers were UAW members, we'd all be driving $50,000 >>subcompacts. Be careful what you wish for. >> >> > >Maybe if cars started at $50,000, and gas cost the same in the US as >it does in Europe, we'd all breathe a bit easier. > >cheers, >frank the bike guy (who never shies away from a chance to slag cars ) > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I wouldn't know, how can you tell, in print that is... mike wilson wrote: >Not authentic Frontier Gibberish, though. > >P. J. Alling wrote: > > > >>Apparently Cotty speaks Gibberish... >> >>Cotty wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>On 27/9/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Det synes jeg vi skal gjøre en dag, på norsk, og legge inn noen ufine kommentarer om amerikanske navlebeskuere .-) >>>Amerikanerne kunne studere deres egen navels , hvis bare de ville åpen >>>deres øye! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Dyslexics of the world untie. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In a message dated 9/28/2006 12:28:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Marnie, > >A heck of a lot of those jobs went to Oakville, Ontario. Many of the >rest are elsewhere in the US (Toyota, BMW and Honda all have large >factories in the US and Canada, most cars sold in the US today are built >in North America). In both cases the workers are more productive for >less cost, but still get plenty of benefits, albeit less than the ones >in UAW factories in the US. > >-Adam >= >Maybe those particular jobs, others no. > >Workers of the world unite!!! > >Marnie aka Doe ;-) > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bob W wrote: > If all the world's auto workers were UAW members, we'd >> all be driving $50,000 subcompacts. Be careful what you wish for. Maybe if cars started at $50,000, and gas cost the same in >> the US as it does in Europe, we'd all breathe a bit easier. cheers, frank the bike guy (who never shies away from a chance to >> slag cars ) >>> Why IS that, Frank? >>> Other than the fact that one recently laid you up fairly >> well, that is! >>> keith >>> >> Toronto drivers are idiots? >> > > This is quite an interesting read > http://www.bikereader.com/contributors/misc/gorz.html > > I love driving cars and I love riding bikes, but bikes are better for > many, many things, particularly when there are so many cars around. > > Bob > Now if we could just get the damned couriers off the damned sidewalks and obeying traffic laws (like which way 1 way streets go). Between them and the cabbies, it's dangerous to be a pedestrian here. -Adam Who misses his bike. But can't ride as it screws up his ankle. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> >>> If all the world's auto workers were UAW members, we'd > all be driving $50,000 subcompacts. Be careful what you wish for. > >> Maybe if cars started at $50,000, and gas cost the same in > the US as > >> it does in Europe, we'd all breathe a bit easier. > >> > >> cheers, > >> frank the bike guy (who never shies away from a chance to > slag cars ) > > > > Why IS that, Frank? > > Other than the fact that one recently laid you up fairly > well, that is! > > > > keith > > > > Toronto drivers are idiots? > This is quite an interesting read http://www.bikereader.com/contributors/misc/gorz.html I love driving cars and I love riding bikes, but bikes are better for many, many things, particularly when there are so many cars around. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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keith_w wrote: > frank theriault wrote: >> On 9/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> If all the world's auto workers were UAW members, we'd all be driving >>> $50,000 subcompacts. Be careful what you wish for. >> Maybe if cars started at $50,000, and gas cost the same in the US as >> it does in Europe, we'd all breathe a bit easier. >> >> cheers, >> frank the bike guy (who never shies away from a chance to slag cars ) > > Why IS that, Frank? > Other than the fact that one recently laid you up fairly well, that is! > > keith > Toronto drivers are idiots? -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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frank theriault wrote: > On 9/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If all the world's auto workers were UAW members, we'd all be driving >> $50,000 subcompacts. Be careful what you wish for. > > Maybe if cars started at $50,000, and gas cost the same in the US as > it does in Europe, we'd all breathe a bit easier. > > cheers, > frank the bike guy (who never shies away from a chance to slag cars ) Why IS that, Frank? Other than the fact that one recently laid you up fairly well, that is! keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Try one of these and get a sore arse instead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Utility_bicycle.jpg -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 28 September 2006 21:51 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now > Socialists) > > Maybe. But we'd have sore feet :-) > > -- Original message -- > From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 9/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If all the world's auto workers were UAW members, we'd > all be driving $50,000 > > subcompacts. Be careful what you wish for. > > > > Maybe if cars started at $50,000, and gas cost the same in the US as > > it does in Europe, we'd all breathe a bit easier. > > > > cheers, > > frank the bike guy (who never shies away from a chance to > slag cars ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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--- "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: << They do not support sweat shops. >> That statement depends on two things. First, it depends on what you call a "sweat shop". Many people simply take this to mean any plant which operates on labor rules not as strict as in the US, Europe, or other highly-industrialized - which basically means that anything made in China, Vietnam, etc. is "sweat shop" to these people. Second, it depends on whether one believes the company in question. Wal-Mart attackers tend to assume that they must be lying, while their defenders tend to assume that they must be telling the truth. Personally, I don't know whether they're lying or telling the truth. But it's all a moot point if one's definition of "sweat shop" is what I outlined above. << North American consumers in general do support sweatshop labour, whether unwittingly or otherwise by insisting on, and shopping for the best price they can find. >> Er, and which company promises "Always Low Prices" ;-)? (One could argue that they're forced to by the market - or, one could argue that they came up with the idea and conditioned the market to demand it.) << Those foriegn workers, btw, need to make some sort of income to stay alive too. >> NOW you've gotten to the core of why I, personally, am moderately pro-globalization. (With reservations, of course. It has to be done right.) The fact is, export trade makes poor countries richer! Japan was poor once; now they're rich. Same for Taiwan. And South Korea. And the same will happen in China and all the other Asian countries that are rapidly industrializing today. Their industrialization may not be pretty - but then, no country's has ever been. Like sausages, if you want to enjoy industrialized economies, you probably shouldn't watch them being made. New Doug __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Maybe. But we'd have sore feet :-) -- Original message -- From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 9/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If all the world's auto workers were UAW members, we'd all be driving > > $50,000 > subcompacts. Be careful what you wish for. > > Maybe if cars started at $50,000, and gas cost the same in the US as > it does in Europe, we'd all breathe a bit easier. > > cheers, > frank the bike guy (who never shies away from a chance to slag cars ) > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: > Scott Loveless wrote: > > >>On 9/27/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>P. J. Alling wrote: >>> >>> It wasn't delivered under oath in court was it? >>> >>>No. He was sitting at my kitchen table and we were talking about >>>people he knew in school. >>> >> >>Close enough! > > > In my house I'm judge *and* jury! > That's what Lisa _lets_ you think. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists) > American cars outperform all the European and some of the Japnese > makes in JD Power surveys of initial and long term quality. Mercury, > for example, was number two to Toyota in three-year durability. Buick > has been near the top for quite a few years. The big problem with > American cars is that the makers can't offer as much for the money. > That's due to health care and retirement costs. That situation rules > out cost competitive small cars. Chrysler is going to build small cars > in China. > Three years isn't a very long time when one is discussing a $25,000 dollar or more investment. I've never trusted the JD Power surveys because they seem to stop looking at the vehicles at about the same time that they become unreliable, and don't take into account the fact that a lot of people treat their car brands as a religion, and so are going to be happy with their brand choice no matter how crappy it is. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Gonz wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>- Original Message - >>From: "Douglas Newman" >>Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics) >> >> >> >>. Most American politicians don't even >> >> >>>support legalizing cannabis for medical/theraputic >>>purposes, let alone full legalization of soft drugs, >>>let alone total drugs legalization. I'm a radical >>>left-winger by US standards and even I don't support >>>it. >> >> >>There is a somewhat radical idea that if you decriminalize an activity, >>the cost to society is actually lower. >>Criminal activity begets criminal activity. >> > > > That is true up to a point, then you have anarchy, and the cost is very > high. Are you confusing anarchy with chaos? > > >>William Robb >> >> >> >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Not authentic Frontier Gibberish, though. P. J. Alling wrote: > Apparently Cotty speaks Gibberish... > > Cotty wrote: > > >>On 27/9/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >> >> >> >>>Det synes jeg vi skal gjøre en dag, på norsk, og legge inn noen ufine >>>kommentarer om amerikanske navlebeskuere .-) >>> >>> >> >>Amerikanerne kunne studere deres egen navels , hvis bare de ville åpen >>deres øye! >> >> >> > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If all the world's auto workers were UAW members, we'd all be driving $50,000 > subcompacts. Be careful what you wish for. Maybe if cars started at $50,000, and gas cost the same in the US as it does in Europe, we'd all breathe a bit easier. cheers, frank the bike guy (who never shies away from a chance to slag cars ) -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Neither Mercury nor Buick make small cars. I've never had any issues with the larger Big-3 products, at least not the more modern stuff. It's the small stuff that's either poorly engineered crap or simply poorly built variants of German engineering (See Chevy Cobalt, Cavalier, Pontiac Sunfire, etc). Half of GM's problem is it designs cars people are uninterested in buying, the only intersting things to hit production from GM in the last 5 years are Pontiac variants of German (Solstice) and Australian (GTO) designs, and the latter was poorly adapted (The styling was so boring,e specially compared to the Holden version). -Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > American cars outperform all the European and some of the Japnese makes in JD > Power surveys of initial and long term quality. Mercury, for example, was > number two to Toyota in three-year durability. Buick has been near the top > for quite a few years. The big problem with American cars is that the makers > can't offer as much for the money. That's due to health care and retirement > costs. That situation rules out cost competitive small cars. Chrysler is > going to build small cars in China. > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Naw, we'd be looking at them broken down in our driveways. >> >>-Adam >>Who's unimpressed with the reliability of Big-3 small cars. GM >>especially hasn't figured out that the fact that everything (now) works >>from the factory doesn't excuse the fact that it breaks down quickly. >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>>If all the world's auto workers were UAW members, we'd all be driving >>>$50,000 >> >>subcompacts. Be careful what you wish for. >> >>>Paul >>> -- Original message -- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> In a message dated 9/28/2006 12:28:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marnie, A heck of a lot of those jobs went to Oakville, Ontario. Many of the rest are elsewhere in the US (Toyota, BMW and Honda all have large factories in the US and Canada, most cars sold in the US today are built in North America). In both cases the workers are more productive for less cost, but still get plenty of benefits, albeit less than the ones in UAW factories in the US. -Adam = Maybe those particular jobs, others no. Workers of the world unite!!! Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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American cars outperform all the European and some of the Japnese makes in JD Power surveys of initial and long term quality. Mercury, for example, was number two to Toyota in three-year durability. Buick has been near the top for quite a few years. The big problem with American cars is that the makers can't offer as much for the money. That's due to health care and retirement costs. That situation rules out cost competitive small cars. Chrysler is going to build small cars in China. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Naw, we'd be looking at them broken down in our driveways. > > -Adam > Who's unimpressed with the reliability of Big-3 small cars. GM > especially hasn't figured out that the fact that everything (now) works > from the factory doesn't excuse the fact that it breaks down quickly. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If all the world's auto workers were UAW members, we'd all be driving > > $50,000 > subcompacts. Be careful what you wish for. > > Paul > > -- Original message -- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>In a message dated 9/28/2006 12:28:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >>Marnie, > >> > >>A heck of a lot of those jobs went to Oakville, Ontario. Many of the > >>rest are elsewhere in the US (Toyota, BMW and Honda all have large > >>factories in the US and Canada, most cars sold in the US today are built > >>in North America). In both cases the workers are more productive for > >>less cost, but still get plenty of benefits, albeit less than the ones > >>in UAW factories in the US. > >> > >>-Adam > >>= > >>Maybe those particular jobs, others no. > >> > >>Workers of the world unite!!! > >> > >>Marnie aka Doe ;-) > >> > >>-- > >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>PDML@pdml.net > >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Naw, we'd be looking at them broken down in our driveways. -Adam Who's unimpressed with the reliability of Big-3 small cars. GM especially hasn't figured out that the fact that everything (now) works from the factory doesn't excuse the fact that it breaks down quickly. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If all the world's auto workers were UAW members, we'd all be driving $50,000 > subcompacts. Be careful what you wish for. > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>In a message dated 9/28/2006 12:28:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>Marnie, >> >>A heck of a lot of those jobs went to Oakville, Ontario. Many of the >>rest are elsewhere in the US (Toyota, BMW and Honda all have large >>factories in the US and Canada, most cars sold in the US today are built >>in North America). In both cases the workers are more productive for >>less cost, but still get plenty of benefits, albeit less than the ones >>in UAW factories in the US. >> >>-Adam >>= >>Maybe those particular jobs, others no. >> >>Workers of the world unite!!! >> >>Marnie aka Doe ;-) >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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If all the world's auto workers were UAW members, we'd all be driving $50,000 subcompacts. Be careful what you wish for. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In a message dated 9/28/2006 12:28:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Marnie, > > A heck of a lot of those jobs went to Oakville, Ontario. Many of the > rest are elsewhere in the US (Toyota, BMW and Honda all have large > factories in the US and Canada, most cars sold in the US today are built > in North America). In both cases the workers are more productive for > less cost, but still get plenty of benefits, albeit less than the ones > in UAW factories in the US. > > -Adam > = > Maybe those particular jobs, others no. > > Workers of the world unite!!! > > Marnie aka Doe ;-) > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists) > Yeah, that's an underlying problem for sure. American workers with a > decent > wage guaranteed benefits can't compete with foreign workers who will > work for > pennies with no benefits, i.e. foreign sweat shops. > > Workers unite! World-wide that is. Since you like to pick on Wal-Mart, I will point out to you that their policy is to only work with suppliers and manufacturers that pay a fair wage. They do not support sweat shops. OTOH, I do realize that North American consumers in general do support sweatshop labour, whether unwittingly or otherwise by insisting on, and shopping for the best price they can find. This consumer attitude is what keeps the sweat shops going. Those foriegn workers, btw, need to make some sort of income to stay alive too. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a message dated 9/28/2006 12:28:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marnie, A heck of a lot of those jobs went to Oakville, Ontario. Many of the rest are elsewhere in the US (Toyota, BMW and Honda all have large factories in the US and Canada, most cars sold in the US today are built in North America). In both cases the workers are more productive for less cost, but still get plenty of benefits, albeit less than the ones in UAW factories in the US. -Adam = Maybe those particular jobs, others no. Workers of the world unite!!! Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 9/27/2006 5:29:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Marnie, > I think that the United Auto Workers were so successful in negotiating > benefits for their membership in the '50's, '60's, and '70's that all > the jobs have moved to cheaper labor markets off shore. Employment by > the big 3 US auto makers is what? ...10% of what it once was. > Regards, Bob S. > == > Yeah, that's an underlying problem for sure. American workers with a decent > wage guaranteed benefits can't compete with foreign workers who will work for > pennies with no benefits, i.e. foreign sweat shops. > > Workers unite! World-wide that is. > > Marnie aka Doe ;-) > Marnie, A heck of a lot of those jobs went to Oakville, Ontario. Many of the rest are elsewhere in the US (Toyota, BMW and Honda all have large factories in the US and Canada, most cars sold in the US today are built in North America). In both cases the workers are more productive for less cost, but still get plenty of benefits, albeit less than the ones in UAW factories in the US. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)
Hmmm, maybe a gun thread would have been better, after all. Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)
In a message dated 9/27/2006 5:29:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marnie, I think that the United Auto Workers were so successful in negotiating benefits for their membership in the '50's, '60's, and '70's that all the jobs have moved to cheaper labor markets off shore. Employment by the big 3 US auto makers is what? ...10% of what it once was. Regards, Bob S. == Yeah, that's an underlying problem for sure. American workers with a decent wage guaranteed benefits can't compete with foreign workers who will work for pennies with no benefits, i.e. foreign sweat shops. Workers unite! World-wide that is. Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)
In a message dated 9/27/2006 6:05:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's because most Democrats don't agree on what most Democrats would support. ;-) Bob === Good point. ;-) Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)
In a message dated 9/27/2006 5:09:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you know, the parade of ignorance displayed in this family of threads has been nothing short of appalling. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for letting your stupid, jingoistic nonsense escape your fingers. sincerely, doug === Tell us how you really feel, Doug. Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)
frank theriault wrote: > On 9/27/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> No beer. Please stop intimating that my friend is a liar. > > You have friends? Heck no! (The person in question was a relative. Well, Lisa's relative, anyway.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)
frank theriault wrote: > On 9/27/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> In my house I'm judge *and* jury! > > Then what exactly would be the role of Dr. Lisa? Supreme court! > ps: I'm thinking maybe executioner? That too. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)
On 9/27/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No beer. Please stop intimating that my friend is a liar. You have friends? -frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)
On 9/27/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In my house I'm judge *and* jury! Then what exactly would be the role of Dr. Lisa? curious, frank ps: I'm thinking maybe executioner? -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)
Den 27. sep. 2006 kl. 23.05 skrev Cotty: > On 27/9/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> Det synes jeg vi skal gjøre en dag, på norsk, og legge inn noen ufine >> kommentarer om amerikanske navlebeskuere .-) > > Amerikanerne kunne studere deres egen navels , hvis bare de ville åpen > deres øye! > Imponerende! .-) DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)
At 06:36 AM 28/09/2006, Mark Roberts wrote: >Scott Loveless wrote: > > >On 9/27/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> P. J. Alling wrote: > >> > >> >It wasn't delivered under oath in court was it? > >> > >> No. He was sitting at my kitchen table and we were talking about > >> people he knew in school. > >> > >Close enough! > >In my house I'm judge *and* jury! ...until the Missus get home. Dave ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)
Before I became ill, I worked part-time in a local Wal-Mart photo lab. The pay was decent for part-time, and I carried my insurance from retirement in the airline industry. I just received a letter yesterday advising that my 10% discount card would be revoked on October 29, over a year after I went on medical leave of absence. Unfortunately, my present condition keeps me from working, but disability insurance from Uncle makes up the difference. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:37 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists) I know several people who work at Wal-Mart "down here." They are all very pleased with the work environment, the pay and the benefits. It's a pretty good deal for most. From among the big box stores, only Costco seems to be as good an employer. Paul On Sep 27, 2006, at 9:19 PM, graywolf wrote: > I kind of think they operate under different laws up there, Bill. The > one good thing I can say for them down here is they seem to hire a lot > of marginal people who probably would not be able to get a job > elsewhere, especially since the college students take all the fast > food > and small store clerk positions in this town. > > -- > graywolf > http://www.graywolfphoto.com > http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > --- > > > William Robb wrote: >> - Original Message - >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now >> Socialists) >> >> >>> === >>> And quite a few others since. Smoke and mirrors -- disinformation >>> and >>> misinformation -- is quite active in the US. Now people who should >>> support unions, >>> working people who need them, like underpaid and non-healthcared >>> Wal-Mart >>> workers for example, don't. Unions helped improve things for people >>> for decades, now >>> they are perceived as evil by many. >> >> Don't knock Wal-Mart. >> They are one of the better retail sector employees. >> I don't have Wal-Mart USA numbers, but I expect they are similar to >> Wal-Mart Canada, in that they average about $5000.00/year profit per >> associate, or somewhere in the range of 35%. >> They don't have a lot of room to give huge raises out. >> Wal-mart isn't the evil company that it is fashionable to meake >> them out >> to be. >> I was a Wa-Mart associate for just short of 9 years, and can't really >> think of anything bad to say about them. >> >> William Robb >> >> >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)
I know several people who work at Wal-Mart "down here." They are all very pleased with the work environment, the pay and the benefits. It's a pretty good deal for most. From among the big box stores, only Costco seems to be as good an employer. Paul On Sep 27, 2006, at 9:19 PM, graywolf wrote: > I kind of think they operate under different laws up there, Bill. The > one good thing I can say for them down here is they seem to hire a lot > of marginal people who probably would not be able to get a job > elsewhere, especially since the college students take all the fast > food > and small store clerk positions in this town. > > -- > graywolf > http://www.graywolfphoto.com > http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > --- > > > William Robb wrote: >> - Original Message - >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now >> Socialists) >> >> >>> === >>> And quite a few others since. Smoke and mirrors -- disinformation >>> and >>> misinformation -- is quite active in the US. Now people who should >>> support unions, >>> working people who need them, like underpaid and non-healthcared >>> Wal-Mart >>> workers for example, don't. Unions helped improve things for people >>> for decades, now >>> they are perceived as evil by many. >> >> Don't knock Wal-Mart. >> They are one of the better retail sector employees. >> I don't have Wal-Mart USA numbers, but I expect they are similar to >> Wal-Mart Canada, in that they average about $5000.00/year profit per >> associate, or somewhere in the range of 35%. >> They don't have a lot of room to give huge raises out. >> Wal-mart isn't the evil company that it is fashionable to meake >> them out >> to be. >> I was a Wa-Mart associate for just short of 9 years, and can't really >> think of anything bad to say about them. >> >> William Robb >> >> >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)
I kind of think they operate under different laws up there, Bill. The one good thing I can say for them down here is they seem to hire a lot of marginal people who probably would not be able to get a job elsewhere, especially since the college students take all the fast food and small store clerk positions in this town. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists) > > >> === >> And quite a few others since. Smoke and mirrors -- disinformation and >> misinformation -- is quite active in the US. Now people who should >> support unions, >> working people who need them, like underpaid and non-healthcared >> Wal-Mart >> workers for example, don't. Unions helped improve things for people >> for decades, now >> they are perceived as evil by many. > > Don't knock Wal-Mart. > They are one of the better retail sector employees. > I don't have Wal-Mart USA numbers, but I expect they are similar to > Wal-Mart Canada, in that they average about $5000.00/year profit per > associate, or somewhere in the range of 35%. > They don't have a lot of room to give huge raises out. > Wal-mart isn't the evil company that it is fashionable to meake them out > to be. > I was a Wa-Mart associate for just short of 9 years, and can't really > think of anything bad to say about them. > > William Robb > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)
i know Frank, and the Frank I know doesn't really suck. Paul On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:31 PM, graywolf wrote: > Ya, Frank, reality sucks. > > (Sorry somehow it seems like using term like Hoovers, would lose > some of > the impact, besides that would be unfair to Eureka > > -- > graywolf > http://www.graywolfphoto.com > http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > --- > > > frank theriault wrote: >> On 9/27/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Paul Stenquist wrote: On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote: > The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to > aquire a > socialist bent? >>> The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one is to acquire a socialist bent. >>> Yes...I like that observation. >>> >> >> I've always had problems with reality... >> >> -frank the pinko... >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)
Bill borrowed a word from Doug.:-) On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:18 PM, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "keith_w" > Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now > NationalGeographic) > > >> Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a >>>> socialist bent? >> >> >>> The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one >>> is to >>> acquire a socialist bent. >> >> Yes...I like that observation. >> > > I like the jingoism you guys come up with to try to conceal your very > narrowmindedness. > > William Robb > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)
graywolf wrote: > Because in the country they tend to be self-employed (micro-businesmen), > and in the cities they tend to be employees? Republicans in general do > not seem to think anyone who works with their hands should be paid > decently or have any rights, and are really ought to be indentured > servants if not outright slaves. > I think you need to talk to more Republicans if you think that is the case. They tend to think that the labour market (including Unions btw) does a better job of ensuring worker's rights and pay than governmental fiat. Now that's not universal, but it's definitely a major strain in GOP thought. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
