Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
- Original Message - From: "Thibouille" Subject: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. http://www.penta-club.ru/forum/uploads/post-1970-1240400101_thumb.jpg Really doubt this is fake. This also confirms current rumours. Look kids, a real pentaprism William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 08:13:45AM -0600, William Robb scripsit: > > - Original Message - From: "Thibouille" Subject: 21th may is the > day for the new Pentax DSLR. >> http://www.penta-club.ru/forum/uploads/post-1970-1240400101_thumb.jpg >> >> Really doubt this is fake. This also confirms current rumours. > > Look kids, a real pentaprism And we kids may detect this how? Trapezoidal silhouette? Front of the viewfinder housing slopes like a 1915 battleship turret? Base of the viewfinder housing almost as wide as the inner diameter of the lens mount? Protruding, rather than recessed, hot shoe? -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
"penta"- is part of the link(?) J --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Graydon wrote: > From: Graydon > Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 7:23 AM > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 08:13:45AM -0600, William Robb > scripsit: > > > > - Original Message - From: > "Thibouille" Subject: 21th may is the > > day for the new Pentax DSLR. > >> > http://www.penta-club.ru/forum/uploads/post-1970-1240400101_thumb.jpg > >> > >> Really doubt this is fake. This also confirms > current rumours. > > > > Look kids, a real pentaprism > > And we kids may detect this how? > > Trapezoidal silhouette? Front of the viewfinder housing > slopes like a > 1915 battleship turret? Base of the viewfinder housing > almost as wide as > the inner diameter of the lens mount? Protruding, rather > than recessed, > hot shoe? > > -- Graydon > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
http://sturly.com/y7d if you prefer :) On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > > "penta"- is part of the link(?) > > J > > > --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Graydon wrote: > >> From: Graydon >> Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 7:23 AM >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 08:13:45AM -0600, William Robb >> scripsit: >> > >> > - Original Message - From: >> "Thibouille" Subject: 21th may is the >> > day for the new Pentax DSLR. >> >> >> http://www.penta-club.ru/forum/uploads/post-1970-1240400101_thumb.jpg >> >> >> >> Really doubt this is fake. This also confirms >> current rumours. >> > >> > Look kids, a real pentaprism >> >> And we kids may detect this how? >> >> Trapezoidal silhouette? Front of the viewfinder housing >> slopes like a >> 1915 battleship turret? Base of the viewfinder housing >> almost as wide as >> the inner diameter of the lens mount? Protruding, rather >> than recessed, >> hot shoe? >> >> -- Graydon >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link >> directly above and follow the directions. > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
- Original Message - From: "Graydon" Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. Look kids, a real pentaprism And we kids may detect this how? Trapezoidal silhouette? Front of the viewfinder housing slopes like a 1915 battleship turret? Base of the viewfinder housing almost as wide as the inner diameter of the lens mount? Protruding, rather than recessed, hot shoe? It looks like the front of an LX prism. I'm hoping (presuming this is for real) that it is a higher specified body than the K20D with no pop up flash (which I happen to detest). William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On 22/4/09, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >It looks like the front of an LX prism. I'm hoping (presuming this is for >real) that it is a higher specified body than the K20D with no pop up flash >(which I happen to detest). Do I need to season my hat? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
- Original Message - From: "Cotty" Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. On 22/4/09, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: It looks like the front of an LX prism. I'm hoping (presuming this is for real) that it is a higher specified body than the K20D with no pop up flash (which I happen to detest). Do I need to season my hat? The big boys upped the ante when they went to full frame. I suspect that a hat sandwich won't be on your menu for a while. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 09:21:52AM -0600, William Robb scripsit: > - Original Message - From: "Graydon" >>> Look kids, a real pentaprism >> >> And we kids may detect this how? >> >> Trapezoidal silhouette? Front of the viewfinder housing slopes like a >> 1915 battleship turret? Base of the viewfinder housing almost as wide as >> the inner diameter of the lens mount? Protruding, rather than recessed, >> hot shoe? > > It looks like the front of an LX prism. I'm hoping (presuming this is for > real) that it is a higher specified body than the K20D with no pop up > flash (which I happen to detest). I would shed no tears for the lack of a pop-up flash myself. The prospect of a nother couple hundred bucks to the Catzeye folks makes me sad, though. I suppose I can hope that it's got a proper split-prism viewfinder but it doesn't seem like the way to bet. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Apr 22, 2009, at 10:48, Graydon wrote: I would shed no tears for the lack of a pop-up flash myself. As someone who frequently uses the wireless function to fire two external flashes using the pop-up flash, I would miss having the pop- up flash on the camera. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
- Original Message - From: "Graydon" Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. The prospect of a nother couple hundred bucks to the Catzeye folks makes me sad, though. Damn. I should have bought the cheaper graphics card. I'd forgotten about that aspect of new camera lust. It would be nice to have a screen that doesn't have a big scratch on it though. I trashed my Katz-Eye when installing it by being fumble fingered. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
Graydon wrote: proper split-prism viewfinder For me, the above phrase is an oxymoron. Give me a nice matte screen. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:05:06PM -0400, Christian scripsit: > Graydon wrote: >> proper split-prism viewfinder > For me, the above phrase is an oxymoron. Give me a nice matte screen. Mind if I ask why? I could not begin to use manual focus successfully with the shipped matte screen of the K20D. The Katzeye split-prism I can at least begin; distant birdies benefit greatly from focus-confirm, but most nearby things I can manage to use manual focus. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Graydon wrote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:05:06PM -0400, Christian scripsit: >> Graydon wrote: >>> proper split-prism viewfinder >> For me, the above phrase is an oxymoron. Give me a nice matte screen. > > Mind if I ask why? > > I could not begin to use manual focus successfully with the shipped > matte screen of the K20D. The Katzeye split-prism I can at least begin; > distant birdies benefit greatly from focus-confirm, but most nearby > things I can manage to use manual focus. > > -- Graydon The AF-oriented matte screens do suck for manual focus. But a good matte screen intended for manual focus is arguably the penultimate focusing screen. I use them or grid screens (essentially the same outside of the scribing) in all the cameras I've been able to get screens for. The disadvantage of split-prisms is the split prism itself. It's designed solely for focusing in the centre and actually can interfere with focusing slightly off centre. A good matte screen allows you to focus accurately anywhere in the frame with no distractions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
Charles Robinson wrote: On Apr 22, 2009, at 10:48, Graydon wrote: I would shed no tears for the lack of a pop-up flash myself. As someone who frequently uses the wireless function to fire two external flashes using the pop-up flash, I would miss having the pop-up flash on the camera. -Charles One of the more important features in the K20D that pushed me to upgrade from the K100Ds was being able to use the PUF as a flash controller. Up until then I never used the PUF and was considering gluing or taping it down so it wouldn't pop up when I occasionally hit the button by accident. :-) Now I'd greatly miss it too. 'Course the K20D pretty-much exactly matches my needs [*] by having removed/fixed any shortcomings in the K100D Super, so I can't see myself being very interested in a model above the K20 should this rumoured camera prove to be such. Not for a fairly long time anyway. At least a year. :-) -bmw -- [*] besides apparently lacking functioning wireless trailing curtain sync. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
While I do agree they get in the way sometimes, I find a proper (diagonal, not too large) split very useful. Assuming interchangeable screens, my default would be a split, the secondary matte. Assuming no interchangeable, would select the split over the matte - small margin and sad about it. :-) LF Adam Maas escreveu: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Graydon wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:05:06PM -0400, Christian scripsit: Graydon wrote: proper split-prism viewfinder For me, the above phrase is an oxymoron. Give me a nice matte screen. Mind if I ask why? I could not begin to use manual focus successfully with the shipped matte screen of the K20D. The Katzeye split-prism I can at least begin; distant birdies benefit greatly from focus-confirm, but most nearby things I can manage to use manual focus. -- Graydon The AF-oriented matte screens do suck for manual focus. But a good matte screen intended for manual focus is arguably the penultimate focusing screen. I use them or grid screens (essentially the same outside of the scribing) in all the cameras I've been able to get screens for. The disadvantage of split-prisms is the split prism itself. It's designed solely for focusing in the centre and actually can interfere with focusing slightly off centre. A good matte screen allows you to focus accurately anywhere in the frame with no distractions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
- Original Message - From: "Graydon" Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:05:06PM -0400, Christian scripsit: Graydon wrote: proper split-prism viewfinder For me, the above phrase is an oxymoron. Give me a nice matte screen. Mind if I ask why? I could not begin to use manual focus successfully with the shipped matte screen of the K20D. The Katzeye split-prism I can at least begin; distant birdies benefit greatly from focus-confirm, but most nearby things I can manage to use manual focus. I have a very good matte screen for my Nikon F2 that makes the screens going into modern cameras look like a wet shower curtain. My major problem with focusing now is that the viewfinders are so bloody small. Dim as a burnt out light bulb zoom lenses don't make it any easier either. I'll take a good quality full matte screen to, but if I can't have that, then a split image is my next best option. I don't know how the guys using the cheap Canons with their trash viewfinders manage. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:58, William Robb wrote: I don't know how the guys using the cheap Canons with their trash viewfinders manage. Point, press button, click, done. If you're not using manual focus, you don't really need much in the way of viewfinders! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
Hear, hear! Back in the pre-AF days, I always had to get a camera with interchangeable screens so I could get a plain matte screen in it. I find the split prism to get in the way. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 9:05:06 AM, you wrote: C> Graydon wrote: >> proper split-prism viewfinder C> For me, the above phrase is an oxymoron. Give me a nice matte screen. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
I have a friend who uses the lower end Canons. She has told me more than once that she really has to rely on the AF - manual focus isn't a real option - especially in dimmer light. -- Bruce Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 9:58:00 AM, you wrote: WR> - Original Message - WR> I have a very good matte screen for my Nikon F2 that makes the screens going WR> into modern cameras look like a wet shower curtain. My major problem with WR> focusing now is that the viewfinders are so bloody small. Dim as a burnt out WR> light bulb zoom lenses don't make it any easier either. WR> I'll take a good quality full matte screen to, but if I can't have that, WR> then a split image is my next best option. WR> I don't know how the guys using the cheap Canons with their trash WR> viewfinders manage. WR> William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > But a good matte screen intended for manual focus is arguably the penultimate > focusing screen. And a microprism is the ultimate. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
Graydon wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:05:06PM -0400, Christian scripsit: Graydon wrote: proper split-prism viewfinder For me, the above phrase is an oxymoron. Give me a nice matte screen. Mind if I ask why? I could not begin to use manual focus successfully with the shipped matte screen of the K20D. The Katzeye split-prism I can at least begin; distant birdies benefit greatly from focus-confirm, but most nearby things I can manage to use manual focus. The central split prism tends to black out with long telephoto lenses especially when combined with teleconverters making it totally useless. I'm able to manually focus quite well on a standard AF screen. Also I don't like to recompose after focusing as my subjects generally don't sit still for more than a few seconds. I do miss the grid screen in the LX... sigh... -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > And a microprism is the ultimate. My old Praktica (long since stolen) had a lovely "hybrid" screen: A split screen centre surrounded by a micro-prism ring. The best of both worlds, in my book. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
William Robb wrote: I don't know how the guys using the cheap Canons with their trash viewfinders manage. Superior autofocus? :-) -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:58 PM, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Graydon" > Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. > > >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:05:06PM -0400, Christian scripsit: >>> >>> Graydon wrote: >>>> >>>> proper split-prism viewfinder >>> >>> For me, the above phrase is an oxymoron. Give me a nice matte screen. >> >> Mind if I ask why? >> >> I could not begin to use manual focus successfully with the shipped >> matte screen of the K20D. The Katzeye split-prism I can at least begin; >> distant birdies benefit greatly from focus-confirm, but most nearby >> things I can manage to use manual focus. > > I have a very good matte screen for my Nikon F2 that makes the screens going > into modern cameras look like a wet shower curtain. My major problem with > focusing now is that the viewfinders are so bloody small. Dim as a burnt out > light bulb zoom lenses don't make it any easier either. > I'll take a good quality full matte screen to, but if I can't have that, > then a split image is my next best option. > I don't know how the guys using the cheap Canons with their trash > viewfinders manage. > > William Robb > Bill, You NEED to see a Sony A900 with the M screen then. The viewfinder seriously outclasses my F2a's VF (I've got the E screen, matte with gridlines, in the F2a) and the M screen is a manual focus-oriented matte screen that makes the already superb A900 VF shine. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Apr 22, 2009, at 12:29, frank theriault wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: And a microprism is the ultimate. My old Praktica (long since stolen) had a lovely "hybrid" screen: A split screen centre surrounded by a micro-prism ring. The best of both worlds, in my book. The default configuration for the KatzEye as well. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
Bruce Dayton wrote: I have a friend who uses the lower end Canons. She has told me more than once that she really has to rely on the AF - manual focus isn't a real option - especially in dimmer light. Part of the problem with AF these days and lower-end bodies is the lower-end lenses used on them... There is no feel to the AF ring making holding and acquiring focus difficult. My KKL has an awful focus ring, but my 500/4 300/4 and 100/2.8 have really great feel. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Rather sexy, isn't it? http://www.penta-club.ru/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=51169 Dario - Original Message - From: "William Robb" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:21 PM Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. - Original Message ----- From: "Graydon" Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. Look kids, a real pentaprism And we kids may detect this how? Trapezoidal silhouette? Front of the viewfinder housing slopes like a 1915 battleship turret? Base of the viewfinder housing almost as wide as the inner diameter of the lens mount? Protruding, rather than recessed, hot shoe? It looks like the front of an LX prism. I'm hoping (presuming this is for real) that it is a higher specified body than the K20D with no pop up flash (which I happen to detest). William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
Bruce Walker wrote: One of the more important features in the K20D that pushed me to upgrade from the K100Ds was being able to use the PUF as a flash controller. Up until then I never used the PUF and was considering gluing or taping it down so it wouldn't pop up when I occasionally hit the button by accident. :-) Now I'd greatly miss it too. I actually use the pop-up flash as a flash. It's been invaluable for backpacking when I'm carrying minimal gear or when there's no time to mount a flash before the moment's gone. Both situations applied for this shot: http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_14.htm That bit of fill flash really helped the tame the foreground shadow areas. (ist-D and FA-J 18-35, the latter borrowed from Bill Owens for the hike) and the clouds were moving/changing so quickly I only had a moment in which everything came together. Of course, being the official GFM "Mountain Goat on Crack", I want Pentax to keep the pop-up flash. If I were a studio rat I'd probably want then to ditch it. They can't please everyone, but I'm glad they've pleased me rather than Bill Robb so far :-P -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
> >> Look kids, a real pentaprism > > > > And we kids may detect this how? > > > > Trapezoidal silhouette? Front of the viewfinder housing > slopes like a > > 1915 battleship turret? Base of the viewfinder housing > almost as wide as > > the inner diameter of the lens mount? Protruding, rather > than recessed, > > hot shoe? > > It looks like the front of an LX prism. I'm hoping (presuming > this is for > real) that it is a higher specified body than the K20D with > no pop up flash > (which I happen to detest). > > William Robb I hope they've left some airholes for the canary. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You, also, expressed my thought very well, Mark. Jack --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Mark Roberts wrote: > From: Mark Roberts > Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 10:42 AM > Bruce Walker wrote: > > > > One of the more important features in the K20D that > pushed me to upgrade from the K100Ds was being able to use > the PUF as a flash controller. Up until then I never used > the PUF and was considering gluing or taping it down so it > wouldn't pop up when I occasionally hit the button by > accident. :-) > > > > Now I'd greatly miss it too. > > I actually use the pop-up flash as a flash. It's been > invaluable for backpacking when I'm carrying minimal > gear or when there's no time to mount a flash before the > moment's gone. Both situations applied for this shot: > http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_14.htm > > That bit of fill flash really helped the tame the > foreground shadow areas. (ist-D and FA-J 18-35, the latter > borrowed from Bill Owens for the hike) and the clouds were > moving/changing so quickly I only had a moment in which > everything came together. > > Of course, being the official GFM "Mountain Goat on > Crack", I want Pentax to keep the pop-up flash. If I > were a studio rat I'd probably want then to ditch it. > They can't please everyone, but I'm glad they've > pleased me rather than Bill Robb so far :-P > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:05:06PM -0400, Christian scripsit: Graydon wrote: proper split-prism viewfinder For me, the above phrase is an oxymoron. Give me a nice matte screen. Mind if I ask why? Never did like the splitters. Too fiddly and given to blacking out. Give me a decent matte screen any day. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Christian" Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. William Robb wrote: I don't know how the guys using the cheap Canons with their trash viewfinders manage. Superior autofocus? :-) Say that on forum-neurotica and see what happens. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 01:29:18PM -0400, frank theriault scripsit: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > > And a microprism is the ultimate. > > My old Praktica (long since stolen) had a lovely "hybrid" screen: > > A split screen centre surrounded by a micro-prism ring. > > The best of both worlds, in my book. Is that different from what the Katz-eye screens do? (From the description it sounds like the same thing...) -- Graydon, who feels a bit like he's fallen into a vast seam of his own unexpected ignorance. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Graydon wrote: > Is that different from what the Katz-eye screens do? (From the > description it sounds like the same thing...) I don't know. Never looked through one. I was merely commenting on generic split screen versus micro-prism versus matte screens. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 01:28:22PM -0400, Christian scripsit: > Graydon wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:05:06PM -0400, Christian scripsit: >>> Graydon wrote: proper split-prism viewfinder >>> For me, the above phrase is an oxymoron. Give me a nice matte >>> screen. >> >> Mind if I ask why? >> >> I could not begin to use manual focus successfully with the shipped >> matte screen of the K20D. The Katzeye split-prism I can at least >> begin; distant birdies benefit greatly from focus-confirm, but most >> nearby things I can manage to use manual focus. > > The central split prism tends to black out with long telephoto lenses > especially when combined with teleconverters making it totally > useless. I have generally found that's a function of eye position with the Katz-eye, but yes, totally useless if black. > I'm able to manually focus quite well on a standard AF screen. Also I > don't like to recompose after focusing as my subjects generally don't > sit still for more than a few seconds. I do miss the grid screen in > the LX... sigh... Well, if it looks like an LX viewfinder, maybe it'll have a screen like the LX viewfinder. The various "leaks" seem to indicate that whomever is responsible for publicizing the thing is putting a lot of emphasis on the viewfinder, anyway. So either it's a purist optical glory, a very large EVF, or -- and I'll admit that this is what I'm hoping for -- they've taken the LCD off the back and stuck a switchable electronic overlay on the purist optical glory version. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 02:32:07PM -0400, frank theriault scripsit: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Graydon wrote: > > Is that different from what the Katz-eye screens do? (From the > > description it sounds like the same thing...) > > I don't know. Never looked through one. Fair enough. If I ever manage to notice you taking my picture while I happen to be downtown with the camera, we could attempt to correct that. :) > I was merely commenting on generic split screen versus micro-prism > versus matte screens. I don't think I've ever seen either of those as a pure example, given the general run of the comments so far! K20D was my first SLR of any description; I've looked through it as shipped and it with the Katz-eye. But from your description, the Katz-eye is close to your ideal hybrid case. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Doug, using fast lenes the split is the better option, for me. I really hate when I can't change it for the matte for the long and dark lenses. But 90% of my pics are taken with lenses 5.6 or brighter. LF Doug Brewer escreveu: Graydon wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:05:06PM -0400, Christian scripsit: Graydon wrote: proper split-prism viewfinder For me, the above phrase is an oxymoron. Give me a nice matte screen. Mind if I ask why? Never did like the splitters. Too fiddly and given to blacking out. Give me a decent matte screen any day. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:31:01PM -0400, Adam Maas scripsit: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Graydon wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:05:06PM -0400, Christian scripsit: > >> Graydon wrote: > >>> proper split-prism viewfinder > >> For me, the above phrase is an oxymoron. Give me a nice matte > >> screen. > > > > Mind if I ask why? > > > > I could not begin to use manual focus successfully with the shipped > > matte screen of the K20D. The Katzeye split-prism I can at least > > begin; distant birdies benefit greatly from focus-confirm, but most > > nearby things I can manage to use manual focus. > > The AF-oriented matte screens do suck for manual focus. Ok, good, don't need to find another optometrist. :) > But a good matte screen intended for manual focus is arguably the > penultimate focusing screen. I use them or grid screens (essentially > the same outside of the scribing) in all the cameras I've been able to > get screens for. The disadvantage of split-prisms is the split prism > itself. It's designed solely for focusing in the centre and actually > can interfere with focusing slightly off centre. A good matte screen > allows you to focus accurately anywhere in the frame with no > distractions. Which is certainly a good thing, but _how_? What about the matte screen indicates that you're in focus, or the location of the plane of focus, or similar? -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My big issue is that I don't want to have to focus first and then compose. Having the focus aid stuck in the middle of the screen requires me to have to point it at the subject (almost never dead center), focus, now shift and compose. With a nice matte, all I have to do is compose and focus at the same time without having to fiddle around with focus aids. Even worse when doing macro on a tripod. A good matte is my favorite by far - I almost always focus manually and have done just fine with the *istD, K10D and K20D screens. Of course, my previous 67II viewfinder was worlds better..but that is a different story. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 12:02:45 PM, you wrote: LF> Doug, using fast lenes the split is the better option, for me. I really LF> hate when I can't change it for the matte for the long and dark lenses. LF> But 90% of my pics are taken with lenses 5.6 or brighter. LF> LF LF> Doug Brewer escreveu: >> Graydon wrote: >>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:05:06PM -0400, Christian scripsit: >>> Graydon wrote: > proper split-prism viewfinder For me, the above phrase is an oxymoron. Give me a nice matte screen. >>> >>> >>> Mind if I ask why? >> >> Never did like the splitters. Too fiddly and given to blacking out. >> >> Give me a decent matte screen any day. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon wrote: Which is certainly a good thing, but _how_? What about the matte screen indicates that you're in focus, or the location of the plane of focus, or similar? Ummm, because the image in the viewfinder looks sharp? Your eye and brain indicate that it's in focus sending a signal to your right index finger to trip the shutter. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Graydon wrote: What about the matte screen > indicates that you're in focus, or the location of the plane of focus, > or similar? On a good matte screen (among the screens I had for my LX was a grid-enscribed matte screen) objects seem to "snap" into focus. It's hard to explain, easier to see from using one. As you move the focus ring, things are fuzzy, then ~snap~ - they're sharp. Quite amazing, really... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Luiz Felipe wrote: Doug, using fast lenes the split is the better option, for me. I really hate when I can't change it for the matte for the long and dark lenses. But 90% of my pics are taken with lenses 5.6 or brighter. LF sure. Doesn't stop them from being fiddly. I'm a look-around-the-frame kinda guy, so the one focus splitter in the middle never appealed to me, and I love having the subject pop into focus, wherever it is in the VF. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:58:00AM -0600, William Robb scripsit: > I have a very good matte screen for my Nikon F2 that makes the screens > going into modern cameras look like a wet shower curtain. My major > problem with focusing now is that the viewfinders are so bloody small. > Dim as a burnt out light bulb zoom lenses don't make it any easier > either. I was expecting the f8 mirrors to make manual focus -- and since they're not AF lenses that's the only kind of focus there is -- really hard. I've been pleasantly surprised that it's not, at any light level above twilight. So I suspect that while small viewfinders don't help the absolute size of the objective might have more to do with it than the f-stop. > I'll take a good quality full matte screen to, but if I can't have > that, then a split image is my next best option. Well, here's hoping there are some good, Pentax-produced (and thus certified to not mess with the auto-focus) options available for the new thing. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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With the split screen, I always felt more confident of primary focus. I'd often pick the edge, twig or branch I especially wanted in sharp focus. I've used matte and had it work OK, but never quite with the comfort as when using split screen. Jack --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Doug Brewer wrote: > From: Doug Brewer > Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 12:21 PM > Luiz Felipe wrote: > > Doug, using fast lenes the split is the better option, > for me. I really hate when I can't change it for the > matte for the long and dark lenses. But 90% of my pics are > taken with lenses 5.6 or brighter. > > > > LF > > sure. Doesn't stop them from being fiddly. > > I'm a look-around-the-frame kinda guy, so the one focus > splitter in the middle never appealed to me, and I love > having the subject pop into focus, wherever it is in the VF. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:15:24PM -0400, Christian scripsit: > Graydon wrote: >> Which is certainly a good thing, but _how_? What about the matte >> screen indicates that you're in focus, or the location of the plane >> of focus, or similar? > > Ummm, because the image in the viewfinder looks sharp? Your eye and > brain indicate that it's in focus sending a signal to your right index > finger to trip the shutter. This is where I get into the potentially-defective-brain issues. Sport optics focusing is not a problem; I can pick the wee chirply bird out of the thicket. When I try to do this with the camera -- move the plane of focus so it runs through the bird and not vegetation in front of or behind the bird -- I can sometimes do it with the split screen because I can use the split to edge-detect the bird; if the line of the bird is broken, the focus -- despite looking fine so far as my brain is concerned -- isn't quite right and the picture comes out with a blurry bird. With the shipped matte screen of the K20D, I saw the image as sharp when it (from the camera point of view) was not; it looks like if the plane of focus was 5cm wide, I'd see the image as sharp over between 20cm and 50cm (depending on distance) of space in front of and behind that plane. Drove me dotty. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 01:29:18PM -0400, frank theriault scripsit: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: And a microprism is the ultimate. My old Praktica (long since stolen) had a lovely "hybrid" screen: A split screen centre surrounded by a micro-prism ring. The best of both worlds, in my book. Is that different from what the Katz-eye screens do? (From the description it sounds like the same thing...) Or how about the "traditional" Pentax screens? - Toralf -- Graydon, who feels a bit like he's fallen into a vast seam of his own unexpected ignorance. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:16:38PM -0400, frank theriault scripsit: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Graydon wrote: > What about the matte screen > > indicates that you're in focus, or the location of the plane of focus, > > or similar? > > On a good matte screen (among the screens I had for my LX was a > grid-enscribed matte screen) objects seem to "snap" into focus. It's > hard to explain, easier to see from using one. As you move the focus > ring, things are fuzzy, then ~snap~ - they're sharp. I shall have to try one someday, then, and see if my brain can make use of the effect. > Quite amazing, really... That would be extremely handy. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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>> Which is certainly a good thing, but _how_? What about the matte screen >> indicates that you're in focus, or the location of the plane of focus, >> or similar? > > Ummm, because the image in the viewfinder looks sharp? Your eye and > brain indicate that it's in focus sending a signal to your right index > finger to trip the shutter. You're lucky. My vision is just not that good. I can't shoot properly without AF or a split screen. A few nights ago I was playing with my macro gear, photographing a US quarter coin just for the fun of it, and I had to take dozens of shots to get the focus right simply because I couldn't quite tell what was in focus. Granted, I was using a K10D with the stock screen, BUT i do have experience with many other kinds of screens and I know I need a split prism if I'm going to be able to manually focus accurately. Here's one of the macro photos: http://www.neovenator.com/2009/04/pixel-therapy.html Shot with the K10D, Pentax Helicoid extension tube (fully extended), three vivitar extension tubes (can't remember the sizes), Pentax Macro Bellows K (fully extended), Pentax reverse mounting ring, D-FA 100mm macro (reversed and set to somewhere halfway in its focus range) and an AF540FGZ off to the left. I have no idea what the macro ratio of all that together was, but it sure is fun to play with. :) John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:15:24PM -0400, Christian scripsit: Graydon wrote: Which is certainly a good thing, but _how_? What about the matte screen indicates that you're in focus, or the location of the plane of focus, or similar? Ummm, because the image in the viewfinder looks sharp? Your eye and brain indicate that it's in focus sending a signal to your right index finger to trip the shutter. This is where I get into the potentially-defective-brain issues. Sport optics focusing is not a problem; I can pick the wee chirply bird out of the thicket. When I try to do this with the camera -- move the plane of focus so it runs through the bird and not vegetation in front of or behind the bird -- I can sometimes do it with the split screen because I can use the split to edge-detect the bird; if the line of the bird is broken, the focus -- despite looking fine so far as my brain is concerned -- isn't quite right and the picture comes out with a blurry bird. With the shipped matte screen of the K20D, I saw the image as sharp when it (from the camera point of view) was not; it looks like if the plane of focus was 5cm wide, I'd see the image as sharp over between 20cm and 50cm (depending on distance) of space in front of and behind that plane. Drove me dotty. My truly honest answer is that I rely on AF for 90% of my bird photography these days with my current set of tools. I've learned to understand how my camera works and can quickly and easily shift focus points to make a pleasing composition. Sometimes I'll override the AF with MF just to tweak the focus to where I want it. When I had an LX and a matte (grid) screen I guess my eyes and brain agreed with nature on what was in focus. I never seemed to have the trouble you seem to have and I guess I never really thought about it too much either. I also wear glasses and have calibrated the viewfinders of all my SLRs to be pretty much perfect for me. When I'm doing portraiture or landscapes, I use MF 90% of the time (because my best portrait lenses are old m42 Taks) and have no trouble getting it right with the stock screen in my (non-pentax) SLR. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 22/4/09, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: >Your eye and >brain indicate that it's in focus sending a signal to your right index >finger to trip the shutter. Mark! Nice T-shirt. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 22/4/09, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed: >I'm a look-around-the-frame kinda guy Mark. Good pickings in this thread. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Graydon wrote: > What about the matte screen > > indicates that you're in focus, or the location of the > plane of focus, > > or similar? > > On a good matte screen (among the screens I had for my LX was a > grid-enscribed matte screen) objects seem to "snap" into focus. It's > hard to explain, easier to see from using one. As you move the focus > ring, things are fuzzy, then ~snap~ - they're sharp. > > Quite amazing, really... > > cheers, > frank > How come all your pictures are blurry then? --> ;o) I agree though. But when I had 3 LXes I had different screens in each one for different lenses. The matte screen is more effective for longer lenses, if I remember correctly. I did the same thing with the Contaxes. I don't like focusing then recomposing, and it's one of the annoying things about using RF cameras, as well as many AF ones. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Beattie Intenscreens are still around as http://www.display-optics.com/products_35mm-format_pentax.htm but I think they only have old new stock on hand. LX and PZ-1. If we all scream at them they may put out a model for the K10/20/xx model cameras. Eh? On Apr 22, 2009, at 12:23 , Graydon wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:58:00AM -0600, William Robb scripsit: I have a very good matte screen for my Nikon F2 that makes the screens going into modern cameras look like a wet shower curtain. My major problem with focusing now is that the viewfinders are so bloody small. Dim as a burnt out light bulb zoom lenses don't make it any easier either. I was expecting the f8 mirrors to make manual focus -- and since they're not AF lenses that's the only kind of focus there is -- really hard. I've been pleasantly surprised that it's not, at any light level above twilight. So I suspect that while small viewfinders don't help the absolute size of the objective might have more to do with it than the f-stop. I'll take a good quality full matte screen to, but if I can't have that, then a split image is my next best option. Well, here's hoping there are some good, Pentax-produced (and thus certified to not mess with the auto-focus) options available for the new thing. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christian wrote: Graydon wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:15:24PM -0400, Christian scripsit: Graydon wrote: Which is certainly a good thing, but _how_? What about the matte screen indicates that you're in focus, or the location of the plane of focus, or similar? Ummm, because the image in the viewfinder looks sharp? Your eye and brain indicate that it's in focus sending a signal to your right index finger to trip the shutter. This is where I get into the potentially-defective-brain issues. [ ... ] When I had an LX and a matte (grid) screen I guess my eyes and brain agreed with nature on what was in focus. I never seemed to have the trouble you seem to have and I guess I never really thought about it too much either. I also wear glasses and have calibrated the viewfinders of all my SLRs to be pretty much perfect for me. Hmmm... I always thought I had problems focusing just because I'm wear glasses or contact lenses, but I there goes that theory... I won't say I can't focus manually at all, but I certainly never experience the "snap into focus" others are talking about. I mean, there is always a certain point where I can tell that the image goes from out-of-focus to sort of in focus, and one where it goes (completely) out of focus again (if I keep turning the focus ring in the same direction), but between those points there is always a certain area within which I have a very hard time deciding where exactly the optimum focus setting is. If you know what I mean... I'm also find it hard do choose the appropriate step on on the viewfinder focus setting (on the one body I have where there is actually such a setting.) I never tried a plain matte screen, tough, although I've attempted to focus by looking through the matte area of matte and split image screens... When I'm doing portraiture or landscapes, I use MF 90% of the time (because my best portrait lenses are old m42 Taks) and have no trouble getting it right with the stock screen in my (non-pentax) SLR. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thibouille wrote: http://www.penta-club.ru/forum/uploads/post-1970-1240400101_thumb.jpg Really doubt this is fake. This also confirms current rumours. We all know the diameter of K-bayonet, so I decided to calculate the body size. It's approximately 120-125mm wide - in other words it's the size of K2000D / K-m. Although I don't have large hands, it looks more like a lifeboat to me... BR, Margus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I would shed no tears for the lack of a pop-up flash myself. As someone who frequently uses the wireless function to fire two external flashes using the pop-up flash, I would miss having the pop- up flash on the camera. Me too. I find it far too useful as a flash controller to buy a camera without one. - Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Peter Loveday wrote: > >>> I would shed no tears for the lack of a pop-up flash myself. >>> >> >> As someone who frequently uses the wireless function to fire two external >> flashes using the pop-up flash, I would miss having the pop- up flash on the >> camera. > > > Me too. I find it far too useful as a flash controller to buy a camera > without one. > > - Peter > It's a very useful feature if it's got the flash control capability. A mostly useless appendage (much like scene modes) otherwise. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And I agree with that first part. If the photo is some very close portrait, the movement from placing the focus aid (or the AF target) from the eye to elsewhere (assuming the eye as point of focus) when I re-compose the shot may get me either focus trouble or a waste of time and a perfect smile lost. But some focus aid is useful enough, and with bright lenses it's darkening and presence in the middle of the frame is often a non-issue for me. Assuming a very, very very good focus detection in MF mode, I'd accept gladly a good matte screen. Other than that, a diagonal split to the rescue. I think the difference is not just the screen. Our oldies had full mirrors, and while the Lx uses a partial (less than full reflection) mirror, the amount of light that gets other destinations than the viewfinder in those new cameras seems too high. LF Bruce Dayton escreveu: My big issue is that I don't want to have to focus first and then compose. Having the focus aid stuck in the middle of the screen requires me to have to point it at the subject (almost never dead center), focus, now shift and compose. With a nice matte, all I have to do is compose and focus at the same time without having to fiddle around with focus aids. Even worse when doing macro on a tripod. A good matte is my favorite by far - I almost always focus manually and have done just fine with the *istD, K10D and K20D screens. Of course, my previous 67II viewfinder was worlds better..but that is a different story. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 22, 2009, at 13:21 , Toralf Lund wrote: Christian wrote: Graydon wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:15:24PM -0400, Christian scripsit: Graydon wrote: Which is certainly a good thing, but _how_? What about the matte screen indicates that you're in focus, or the location of the plane When I had an LX and a matte (grid) screen I guess my eyes and brain agreed with nature on what was in focus. I never seemed to have the trouble you seem to have and I guess I never really thought about it too much either. I also wear glasses and have calibrated the viewfinders of all my SLRs to be pretty much perfect for me. Hmmm... I always thought I had problems focusing just because I'm wear glasses or contact lenses, but I there goes that theory... I won't say I can't focus manually at all, but I certainly never experience the "snap into focus" others are talking about. I mean, there is always a certain point where I can tell that the image goes from out-of-focus to sort of in focus, and one where it goes (completely) out of focus again (if I keep turning the focus ring in the same direction), but between those points there is always a certain area within which I have a very hard time deciding where exactly the optimum focus setting is. If you know what I mean... I know exactly what you mean. I am never sure when focusing manually when the subject is truly in focus. See below. I'm also find it hard do choose the appropriate step on on the viewfinder focus setting (on the one body I have where there is actually such a setting.) I think this is caused by an astigmatism, from which I suffer to some degree. When trying to set the focusing frames to their sharpest, the more vertical lines come into sharp focus a click away from the more horizontal lines (referring to the spot metering ring there). This would also explain why manual focusing is difficult, and why some say their plane of focus seems to be deeper than it should be, but never really 'snaps'. Combine that with the zoom lenses dim apertures at longer focal lengths, it's surprising anything is in focus manually. I also find that only in bright sunlight with my DA 18-250 mm will the auto-focus usually render a sharp image from 150-250 mm. Even will catch up (never starts out right) with predictive auto-focus of a dog running towards me. But a cloudy day. 10% if I'm lucky. I'm going to have to have a pair of glasses made that I can keep on while I focus manually, with the magnifying eyepiece on the camera. Plastic frames so I don't scratch the LCD, and a small 4.00 bifocal at the bottom so I can chimp properly. :-) I never tried a plain matte screen, tough, although I've attempted to focus by looking through the matte area of matte and split image screens... One of the LX screens I love, the SD-21, has a small central spot that is clear, with a cross hair. The matte area keeps your eye properly focused on the screen, the clear area allows you to see quite well when sharpest focus is achieved. Made for microscope, telescope, high magnification situations, but works well for me with all my long lenses and long zooms.. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:33:04PM -0700, Joseph McAllister scripsit: > On Apr 22, 2009, at 13:21 , Toralf Lund wrote: >> I'm also find it hard do choose the appropriate step on on the >> viewfinder focus setting (on the one body I have where there is >> actually such a setting.) > > I think this is caused by an astigmatism, from which I suffer to some > degree. I'm also (mildly and variably) astigmatic. I wonder if that's the core of the problem. My glasses do correct for it, and I wear them when using the camera. But it could easily (change of angle on the glasses lens) still be affecting things. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:33:04PM -0700, Joseph McAllister scripsit: On Apr 22, 2009, at 13:21 , Toralf Lund wrote: I'm also find it hard do choose the appropriate step on on the viewfinder focus setting (on the one body I have where there is actually such a setting.) I think this is caused by an astigmatism, from which I suffer to some degree. I'm also (mildly and variably) astigmatic. I wonder if that's the core of the problem. My glasses do correct for it, and I wear them when using the camera. But it could easily (change of angle on the glasses lens) still be affecting things. I have hyperopia, myopia and astigmatism - mostly corrected by glasses - and still have no trouble focusing on a plain matte screen. :-) -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 22/4/09, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: >I have hyperopia, myopia and astigmatism And all that time I thought you were just winking at me. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: On 22/4/09, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: I have hyperopia, myopia and astigmatism And all that time I thought you were just winking at me. Dude, I'm lucky to actually see you... -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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FWIW, I am quite astigmatic - I wear corrective contacts and I have no trouble at all focusing on stock *istD, K10D and K20D screens - do it all the time. Maybe with glasses any movement of the lens pushing against the finder could cause a problem? -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 3:54:15 PM, you wrote: G> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:33:04PM -0700, Joseph McAllister scripsit: >> On Apr 22, 2009, at 13:21 , Toralf Lund wrote: >>> I'm also find it hard do choose the appropriate step on on the >>> viewfinder focus setting (on the one body I have where there is >>> actually such a setting.) >> >> I think this is caused by an astigmatism, from which I suffer to some >> degree. G> I'm also (mildly and variably) astigmatic. I wonder if that's the core G> of the problem. G> My glasses do correct for it, and I wear them when using the camera. G> But it could easily (change of angle on the glasses lens) still be G> affecting things. G> -- Graydon G> -- G> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List G> PDML@pdml.net G> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net G> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christian - remember, this is Cotty you are responding to. Do you really mean to say "I'm lucky to actually see you"? Being around Cotty made me appreciate the advantages of being able to remove my (heavily corrected) contact lenses and going blind... (astigmatism, presbyopia, and myopia). stan On Apr 22, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Christian wrote: Cotty wrote: On 22/4/09, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: I have hyperopia, myopia and astigmatism And all that time I thought you were just winking at me. Dude, I'm lucky to actually see you... -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ok, good point. How about I'm lucky to be able to see anything... much less you. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ Stan Halpin wrote: Christian - remember, this is Cotty you are responding to. Do you really mean to say "I'm lucky to actually see you"? Being around Cotty made me appreciate the advantages of being able to remove my (heavily corrected) contact lenses and going blind... (astigmatism, presbyopia, and myopia). stan On Apr 22, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Christian wrote: Cotty wrote: On 22/4/09, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: I have hyperopia, myopia and astigmatism And all that time I thought you were just winking at me. Dude, I'm lucky to actually see you... -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I selected the start of this thread and I then did a sort by Subject. Read the thread. The next message in my mail stash coincidentally was from early December - Subash quoting a Pentax executive as follows: "Next year, we are planning to launch some three types, including minor design change versions, of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras. With a desire to offer cameras which will demonstrate our advantages, as announced in the Photokina held in Germany, we will relaunch ourselves next year as a manufacturer of all-weather cameras which are strong outdoors, highly water-resistnat, splash-proof, and dustproof, small and light, easily portable and tough (durable)." stan On Apr 22, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Thibouille wrote: http://www.penta-club.ru/forum/uploads/post-1970-1240400101_thumb.jpg Really doubt this is fake. This also confirms current rumours. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 08:33:46PM -0500, Stan Halpin scripsit: > I selected the start of this thread and I then did a sort by Subject. > Read the thread. The next message in my mail stash coincidentally was > from early December - Subash quoting a Pentax executive as follows: > "Next year, we are planning to launch some three types, including > minor design change versions, of single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras. > With a desire to offer cameras which will demonstrate our advantages, > as announced in the Photokina held in Germany, we will relaunch > ourselves next year as a manufacturer of all-weather cameras which are > strong outdoors, highly water-resistnat, splash-proof, and dustproof, > small and light, easily portable and tough (durable)." Which is why I, who think the K20D is a comfy compact size with splendid ergonomics, am not wailing about the prospect of a significantly smaller camera. I'm just morally certain they'll have done something direly awful. Automatic variable magnification in the viewfinder, say. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Graydon" Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. Which is why I, who think the K20D is a comfy compact size with splendid ergonomics, am not wailing about the prospect of a significantly smaller camera. I'm just morally certain they'll have done something direly awful. Automatic variable magnification in the viewfinder, say. I'm afraid they've put one of those awful electronic viewfinders on it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I second that. I use the pop up flash in "controller only" mode for off camera flash. I'd hate to have to buy a accessory to do the same thing. gs On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: > On Apr 22, 2009, at 10:48, Graydon wrote: >> >> I would shed no tears for the lack of a pop-up flash myself. >> > > As someone who frequently uses the wireless function to fire two external > flashes using the pop-up flash, I would miss having the pop-up flash on the > camera. > > -Charles > > -- > Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com > Minneapolis, MN > http://charles.robinsontwins.org > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- George Sinos gsi...@att.net www.georgesphotos.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:15 PM, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Graydon" Subject: Re: 21th may is the > day for the new Pentax DSLR. > > > >> Which is why I, who think the K20D is a comfy compact size with splendid >> ergonomics, am not wailing about the prospect of a significantly smaller >> camera. >> >> I'm just morally certain they'll have done something direly awful. >> Automatic variable magnification in the viewfinder, say. >> > > I'm afraid they've put one of those awful electronic viewfinders on it. > > William Robb > I'd love a Pentax with a G1 level EVF. So easy to focus compared to ANY crop VF (including the 1D's). The viewfinder has proven to be one of the major wins of the G1 for me (the others being the flip/twist LCD and the fact it's the size of a consumer 35mm film SLR rather than significantly larger) -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 08:15:47PM -0600, William Robb scripsit: > - Original Message - From: "Graydon" Subject: Re: 21th may is > the day for the new Pentax DSLR. >> Which is why I, who think the K20D is a comfy compact size with >> splendid ergonomics, am not wailing about the prospect of a >> significantly smaller camera. >> >> I'm just morally certain they'll have done something direly awful. >> Automatic variable magnification in the viewfinder, say. > > I'm afraid they've put one of those awful electronic viewfinders on > it. Yeah, that one, too. Though if they're trying for durable, maybe not. I'm not entirely sold on the new item on the mode dial being video; it's not an unambiguous fit for the whole 'rough, tough, outdoor' thing (you certainly don't want someone taking the lens off in any kind of breeze while the camera is in mirror-up video mode...) and it has all sorts of implications for shake reduction and internal volume use, which makes me think this is kinda early for full-up video, especially if there's a new mirror box assembly, the requirement for new, 3-axis shake reduction to support stabilized video, and so on; that's a bunch of big features in one camera. Then again, maybe it's a mirror-less camera in a *good* way. There was an announcement at last falls' Photokina from Zeiss about an integrated spotting scope camera, the Photoscope. The Online Photographer mentioned it at: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2008/10/carl-zeiss-phot.html The product description of the Photoscope, from http://www.zeiss.de/C1256A770030BCE0/WebViewAllE/2BDF49DD10C81ED9C12574C900483632, says, in part: "The integrated 7 megapixel digital camera enables the simultaneous digital capture of the scenery. Because the camera works without sliding mirrors or similar elements, it is possible to observe and take pictures at the same time without disruptions or vibrations." My take on that one in the case of the scope is "they've put the sensor back of one of the sides of the prism"; there's always a prism to get the image right way up and right way around in sport optics. How they're making that side of the prism selectively reflective in a solid-state way isn't immediately obvious, but work on that kind of thing started in the 70s; I'm quite willing to believe someone's come up with an electro-reactive nanoscale mirror coating that works in shutter-speed time frames. So, perhaps, there's no mirror, or at least no *moving* mirror. The sensor is permanently behind some in-camera optical element; it's not hard to imagine a pentaprism viewfinder designed to be optically optimal, rather than to clear the mirror, having at least one prism face large enough to stick an APS-C sensor behind. (And that this would be a much tougher thing to pull off with a full-frame sensor in ergonomic terms; an awareness that this is in the R&D pipeline may contribute to explaining Pentax's corporate reluctance to tackle full-frame digital.) That way, there's no physical shutter as well as no moving mirror; the sensor is back of a prism face in a shake-reduction mount, and that prism face is the one with the electronically switchable reflective or transparent coating. Taking a picture, whether still or video, is a question of electrically switching the reflective coating. Video just means a set pulse rate -- you can't see it at 30 FPS, you think your optical viewfinder view is continuous -- and FPS for full resolution stills becomes a question of purely electronic limits of internal bus bandwidth, image processing engine speed, and buffer size. It would certainly qualify as re-defining themselves if Pentax has such a thing in the pipeline. -- Graydon, who may have used up two months' supply of optimism typing this post -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 22, 2009, at 16:46 , Bruce Dayton wrote: FWIW, I am quite astigmatic - I wear corrective contacts and I have no trouble at all focusing on stock *istD, K10D and K20D screens - do it all the time. Maybe with glasses any movement of the lens pushing against the finder could cause a problem? That's just it. All my prescription glasses were stolen with my cameras last October, and I haven't replaced them yet. (Must do, must do) I'm fine using readers for most everything close (have lots of 'em from 1.25 to 7.00) and thought I really only needed prescriptions for seeing signs far away when I'm driving at night (really far away) and the leaves on distant trees, etc.. See, until 15 years ago, I had 20:5, 20:10 vision, and the memory of that compels me to maintain that acuity with glasses, bifocals so I can see the dashboard clearly as well. But license testing shows I don't "need" glasses for driving. So I really only need readers for 90% of my visual collection. I'm wearing 1.25s for using the computer right now, 1.50 or 1.75 for reading. But none of those correct for my mild astigmatism. So I should go get a pair of corrective lenses ASAP. Huh? Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 3:54:15 PM, you wrote: G> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:33:04PM -0700, Joseph McAllister scripsit: On Apr 22, 2009, at 13:21 , Toralf Lund wrote: I'm also find it hard do choose the appropriate step on on the viewfinder focus setting (on the one body I have where there is actually such a setting.) I think this is caused by an astigmatism, from which I suffer to some degree. G> I'm also (mildly and variably) astigmatic. I wonder if that's the core G> of the problem. G> My glasses do correct for it, and I wear them when using the camera. G> But it could easily (change of angle on the glasses lens) still be G> affecting things. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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EVF with a mirror camera? Lose the pentaprism and keep the mirror? Lose the prism and mirror but keep the camera otherwise the same?? The moment I think of EVF I also think of a mirror-less camera, with a distance from lens mount to sensor as reduced as possible, with new lenses to exploit the advantages AND a very good adapter to the former lens format of the brand. AND a side adapter for all major lens mounts, even if I'd sell it under a very different brand. Since it's fairly close to usual dimensions, I expect a camera with some evolution. No revolution is expected here - sorry. LF Adam Maas escreveu: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:15 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Graydon" Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. Which is why I, who think the K20D is a comfy compact size with splendid ergonomics, am not wailing about the prospect of a significantly smaller camera. I'm just morally certain they'll have done something direly awful. Automatic variable magnification in the viewfinder, say. I'm afraid they've put one of those awful electronic viewfinders on it. William Robb I'd love a Pentax with a G1 level EVF. So easy to focus compared to ANY crop VF (including the 1D's). The viewfinder has proven to be one of the major wins of the G1 for me (the others being the flip/twist LCD and the fact it's the size of a consumer 35mm film SLR rather than significantly larger) -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: > On Apr 22, 2009, at 10:48, Graydon wrote: >> >> I would shed no tears for the lack of a pop-up flash myself. >> > > As someone who frequently uses the wireless function to fire two external > flashes using the pop-up flash, I would miss having the pop-up flash on the > camera. > > -Charles That's what i use it for. However the pop up flash of the D200 works just dandy. Hid and miss with the K1O, at least for me. Dave > > -- > Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com > Minneapolis, MN > http://charles.robinsontwins.org > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:14:41AM -0300, Luiz Felipe scripsit: > EVF with a mirror camera? Lose the pentaprism and keep the mirror? > Lose the prism and mirror but keep the camera otherwise the same?? Keep the direct optical path to the viewfinder; lose the moving mirror and shutter. Ideally, this and the robustness deal gets the LCD off the back of the camera -- big flat fragile space that it is -- and replaced with a HUD-style overlay in the viewfinder. The back can then support larger/more controls. (Using the K20D 4-direction rocker dial with gloves? Ick.) However, the main thing is to get the electro-mechanical stuff out of the optical path. > The moment I think of EVF I also think of a mirror-less camera, with a > distance from lens mount to sensor as reduced as possible, with new > lenses to exploit the advantages AND a very good adapter to the former > lens format of the brand. AND a side adapter for all major lens mounts, > even if I'd sell it under a very different brand. That's what the Samsung NK is supposed to do. I get the feeling that's not where Pentax wants to go. Straight EVIL does two things Pentax wouldn't like; it starts to use the lens aperture mechanism as the shutter, which means you lose lens backward compatibility, and it almost completely de-values optical design in the camera. Pentax is still primarily, nigh-obsessively, an optical company. They want to keep competing inside their area of speciality if they possibly can. > Since it's fairly close to usual dimensions, I expect a camera with > some evolution. No revolution is expected here - sorry. I'm not expecting a revolution either, but, Hoya needs one, and Mike Johnson deferred his camera #2 recommendation today; "This is awkward, but I'm going to have to hold off with #2 until about this time next month. Still collecting data. What can I say—this slot was solid ten days ago, but the world changes." You know of any other plausibly-better-than-"A mid-level 4/3 or APS-C DSLR of the brand of your choice" -- which is recommendation #3 -- that's going to be announced in a month? I'm certainly not as well-plugged into the rumour mill as I could be. Mike certainly gets the lenses early. He's had a K20D on long-term loan for almost a year now. So it's not impossible he's got enough insider info on the successor camera to decide to hold on on recommendation #2. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 23, 2009, at 9:00, Graydon wrote: I'm not expecting a revolution either, but, Hoya needs one, and Mike Johnson deferred his camera #2 recommendation today; "This is awkward, but I'm going to have to hold off with #2 until about this time next month. Still collecting data. What can I say—this slot was solid ten days ago, but the world changes." Fascinating! I'm not even in (or NEAR) the market for a replacement camera, and I'm quite intrigued by what could be coming up. You know of any other plausibly-better-than-"A mid-level 4/3 or APS-C DSLR of the brand of your choice" -- which is recommendation #3 -- that's going to be announced in a month? I'm certainly not as well-plugged into the rumour mill as I could be. His whole entry on recommendation #3 is well worth a read. His basic point is that every brand has its plus and minus points. Buy it, learn how to work around the limitations, and get on with shooting already. Well-written, sensible... quite unusual for an Internet blog! http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html for those of you who don't know who Mike Johnson is... -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon wrote: You know of any other plausibly-better-than-"A mid-level 4/3 or APS-C DSLR of the brand of your choice" -- which is recommendation #3 -- that's going to be announced in a month? I'm certainly not as well-plugged into the rumour mill as I could be. Not announced in a month, but *available* in a month: The Sigma DP-2. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:38:39AM -0500, Charles Robinson scripsit: > On Apr 23, 2009, at 9:00, Graydon wrote: >> I'm not expecting a revolution either, but, Hoya needs one, and Mike >> Johnson deferred his camera #2 recommendation today; "This is awkward, >> but I'm going to have to hold off with #2 until about this time next >> month. Still collecting data. What can I say—this slot was solid ten >> days ago, but the world changes." > > Fascinating! Yup. > I'm not even in (or NEAR) the market for a replacement camera, and I'm > quite intrigued by what could be coming up. It could be the Sigma SP2 (though the Panasonic LX3 made #4, which probably coves the "RAW-capable pocket camera with a good lens" category); it could be something I've never heard of. But it seems at least plausible that it's the K20D successor. >> You know of any other plausibly-better-than-"A mid-level 4/3 or APS-C >> DSLR of the brand of your choice" -- which is recommendation #3 -- >> that's going to be announced in a month? I'm certainly not as >> well-plugged into the rumour mill as I could be. > > His whole entry on recommendation #3 is well worth a read. Yes! The comments about exploding gear-head noggins are generally entertaining, too. :) -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:49:40AM -0400, Mark Roberts scripsit: > Graydon wrote: >> You know of any other plausibly-better-than-"A mid-level 4/3 or APS-C >> DSLR of the brand of your choice" -- which is recommendation #3 -- >> that's going to be announced in a month? I'm certainly not as >> well-plugged into the rumour mill as I could be. > > Not announced in a month, but *available* in a month: The Sigma DP-2. Could be. I think probably not, because #4 had the LX3 and they're both in the "pocket camera with RAW capability and a good lens" category, but it could be. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Graydon wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:14:41AM -0300, Luiz Felipe scripsit: >> EVF with a mirror camera? Lose the pentaprism and keep the mirror? >> Lose the prism and mirror but keep the camera otherwise the same?? > > Keep the direct optical path to the viewfinder; lose the moving mirror > and shutter. > > Ideally, this and the robustness deal gets the LCD off the back of the > camera -- big flat fragile space that it is -- and replaced with a > HUD-style overlay in the viewfinder. The back can then support > larger/more controls. (Using the K20D 4-direction rocker dial with > gloves? Ick.) > > However, the main thing is to get the electro-mechanical stuff out of > the optical path. I'd rather just ditch the mirror altogether. It's the biggest weakness of SLR's, since it affects AF accuracy and VF focusing accuracy. EVIL is inherently more accurate for both manual focus and AF since you're focusing off the imaging sensor itself. Don't ditch the LCD until you've spent time with a good Live View camera with a flip/twist LCD. It changes the game entirely. > >> The moment I think of EVF I also think of a mirror-less camera, with a >> distance from lens mount to sensor as reduced as possible, with new >> lenses to exploit the advantages AND a very good adapter to the former >> lens format of the brand. AND a side adapter for all major lens mounts, >> even if I'd sell it under a very different brand. > > That's what the Samsung NK is supposed to do. I get the feeling that's > not where Pentax wants to go. > > Straight EVIL does two things Pentax wouldn't like; it starts to use the > lens aperture mechanism as the shutter, which means you lose lens > backward compatibility, and it almost completely de-values optical > design in the camera. Pentax is still primarily, nigh-obsessively, an > optical company. They want to keep competing inside their area of > speciality if they possibly can. The G1 uses a normally-open shutter. No lens-based shutter systems. And the introduction of digital nearly completely devalued optical design in the body. The EVIL concept is just taking it to the next step. > >> Since it's fairly close to usual dimensions, I expect a camera with >> some evolution. No revolution is expected here - sorry. > > I'm not expecting a revolution either, but, Hoya needs one, and Mike > Johnson deferred his camera #2 recommendation today; "This is awkward, > but I'm going to have to hold off with #2 until about this time next > month. Still collecting data. What can I say—this slot was solid ten > days ago, but the world changes." > > You know of any other plausibly-better-than-"A mid-level 4/3 or APS-C > DSLR of the brand of your choice" -- which is recommendation #3 -- > that's going to be announced in a month? I'm certainly not as > well-plugged into the rumour mill as I could be. > > Mike certainly gets the lenses early. He's had a K20D on long-term loan > for almost a year now. So it's not impossible he's got enough insider > info on the successor camera to decide to hold on on recommendation #2. > > -- Graydon > > -- Its possible. It's also possible that he's actually read the bitching on the comments about the E-420 pointing out that he picked the camera with the worst VF and worst ergonomics in-class and realized that he should have either gone with his first choice (any low-end DSLR) or picked a camera that actually delivered on its promises (like the K-m or A200). -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:20:23AM -0400, Adam Maas scripsit: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Graydon wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:14:41AM -0300, Luiz Felipe scripsit: > >> EVF with a mirror camera? Lose the pentaprism and keep the mirror? > >> Lose the prism and mirror but keep the camera otherwise the same?? > > > > Keep the direct optical path to the viewfinder; lose the moving mirror > > and shutter. > > > > Ideally, this and the robustness deal gets the LCD off the back of the > > camera -- big flat fragile space that it is -- and replaced with a > > HUD-style overlay in the viewfinder. The back can then support > > larger/more controls. (Using the K20D 4-direction rocker dial with > > gloves? Ick.) > > > > However, the main thing is to get the electro-mechanical stuff out of > > the optical path. > > I'd rather just ditch the mirror altogether. It's the biggest weakness > of SLR's, since it affects AF accuracy and VF focusing accuracy. No mirror, just a prism, is probably one of the pure-optical choices. It's very hard to support a separate shutter as a design decision in an EVIL camera -- extra parts, mass, etc. -- but it also involves ditching K-mount lens back compatibility if you do that. Pentax doesn't want to do that; there's that cryptic statement in support of K-mount from a couple-three months back. If they want to keep lens compatibility, they can't go EVIL in a sensible way, so presumably they're looking at something else. > EVIL is inherently more accurate for both manual focus and AF since > you're focusing off the imaging sensor itself. Don't ditch the LCD > until you've spent time with a good Live View camera with a flip/twist > LCD. It changes the game entirely. First camera was a Konica-Minolta A200. I still have it. It has unquestioned and numerous virtues, and it made me want a pure optical viewfinder so very much. (This may have something to do with having expended rather a lot of Her Majesty's ammunition in my mis-spent youth, I don't know.) Next camera was an LX2. There's nothing wrong with it, for what it is, but I didn't love it. I strongly suspect this is one of those issues of personal style. > >> The moment I think of EVF I also think of a mirror-less camera, > >> with a distance from lens mount to sensor as reduced as possible, > >> with new lenses to exploit the advantages AND a very good adapter > >> to the former lens format of the brand. AND a side adapter for all > >> major lens mounts, even if I'd sell it under a very different > >> brand. > > > > That's what the Samsung NK is supposed to do. I get the feeling > > that's not where Pentax wants to go. > > > > Straight EVIL does two things Pentax wouldn't like; it starts to use > > the lens aperture mechanism as the shutter, which means you lose > > lens backward compatibility, and it almost completely de-values > > optical design in the camera. Pentax is still primarily, > > nigh-obsessively, an optical company. They want to keep competing > > inside their area of speciality if they possibly can. > > The G1 uses a normally-open shutter. No lens-based shutter systems. Yup. And that is probably not the right engineering decision if you have to design new lenses anyway. If they change the registration distance, Pentax would have to design new lenses, and I suspect but of course cannot prove that avoiding loss of back-compatibility is a major goal for them. > And the introduction of digital nearly completely devalued optical > design in the body. The EVIL concept is just taking it to the next > step. That assumes you can get the view off the sensor or the view off the optical path, but not both at once. If you can do both at once -- and that Zeiss Photoscope announcement indicates that somebody can do both at once -- the designer has the option of valuing optical design in the body. > > I'm not expecting a revolution either, but, Hoya needs one, and Mike > > Johnson deferred his camera #2 recommendation today; "This is > > awkward, but I'm going to have to hold off with #2 until about this > > time next month. Still collecting data. What can I say—this slot was > > solid ten days ago, but the world changes." > > > > You know of any other plausibly-better-than-"A mid-level 4/3 or > > APS-C DSLR of the brand of your choice" -- which is recommendation > > #3 -- that's going to be announced in a month? I'm certainly not as > > well-plugged into the rumour mill as I could be. > > > > Mike certainly gets the lenses early. He's had a K20D on long-term > > loan for almost a year now. So it's not impossible he's got enough > > insider info on the successor camera to decide to hold on on > > recommendation #2. > > Its possible. It's also possible that he's actually read the bitching > on the comments about the E-420 pointing out that he picked the camera > with the worst VF and worst ergonomics in-class and realized that he > should have either gone with his first choice (any low-end D
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Graydon wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:20:23AM -0400, Adam Maas scripsit: >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Graydon wrote: >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:14:41AM -0300, Luiz Felipe scripsit: >> >> EVF with a mirror camera? Lose the pentaprism and keep the mirror? >> >> Lose the prism and mirror but keep the camera otherwise the same?? >> > >> > Keep the direct optical path to the viewfinder; lose the moving mirror >> > and shutter. >> > >> > Ideally, this and the robustness deal gets the LCD off the back of the >> > camera -- big flat fragile space that it is -- and replaced with a >> > HUD-style overlay in the viewfinder. The back can then support >> > larger/more controls. (Using the K20D 4-direction rocker dial with >> > gloves? Ick.) >> > >> > However, the main thing is to get the electro-mechanical stuff out of >> > the optical path. >> >> I'd rather just ditch the mirror altogether. It's the biggest weakness >> of SLR's, since it affects AF accuracy and VF focusing accuracy. > > No mirror, just a prism, is probably one of the pure-optical choices. > > It's very hard to support a separate shutter as a design decision in an > EVIL camera -- extra parts, mass, etc. -- but it also involves ditching > K-mount lens back compatibility if you do that. Pentax doesn't want to > do that; there's that cryptic statement in support of K-mount from a > couple-three months back. Actually the shutter is easily justifiable for the same reason as on any interchangable lens camera. Keeps lens cost down and lens complexity down. There's no reason an EVIL camera has to give up full K mount compatibility. Lens shutters make little sense outside of the MF world where they allow reasonable sync speeds compared to the low sync speed that massive focal plane shutters are restricted to. > > If they want to keep lens compatibility, they can't go EVIL in a > sensible way, so presumably they're looking at something else. > >> EVIL is inherently more accurate for both manual focus and AF since >> you're focusing off the imaging sensor itself. Don't ditch the LCD >> until you've spent time with a good Live View camera with a flip/twist >> LCD. It changes the game entirely. > > First camera was a Konica-Minolta A200. I still have it. > > It has unquestioned and numerous virtues, and it made me want a pure > optical viewfinder so very much. (This may have something to do with > having expended rather a lot of Her Majesty's ammunition in my mis-spent > youth, I don't know.) Next camera was an LX2. There's nothing wrong > with it, for what it is, but I didn't love it. > > I strongly suspect this is one of those issues of personal style. Try a G1. The EVF on that (or any pro video kit) is to the A200's EVF as the VF on a Sony A900 is to the E-420's VF. Whole different world of performance. > >> >> The moment I think of EVF I also think of a mirror-less camera, >> >> with a distance from lens mount to sensor as reduced as possible, >> >> with new lenses to exploit the advantages AND a very good adapter >> >> to the former lens format of the brand. AND a side adapter for all >> >> major lens mounts, even if I'd sell it under a very different >> >> brand. >> > >> > That's what the Samsung NK is supposed to do. I get the feeling >> > that's not where Pentax wants to go. >> > >> > Straight EVIL does two things Pentax wouldn't like; it starts to use >> > the lens aperture mechanism as the shutter, which means you lose >> > lens backward compatibility, and it almost completely de-values >> > optical design in the camera. Pentax is still primarily, >> > nigh-obsessively, an optical company. They want to keep competing >> > inside their area of speciality if they possibly can. >> >> The G1 uses a normally-open shutter. No lens-based shutter systems. > > Yup. And that is probably not the right engineering decision if you > have to design new lenses anyway. Actually, it's pretty much a given, especially if you're already putting IS systems in the lens (as Panny is doing). Camera shutters are more reliable, allow higher max shutter speeds and don't require the user to buy a new shutter every time they buy a new lens. The lens shutter on small interchangeable lens cameras has never been a viable option. > > If they change the registration distance, Pentax would have to design > new lenses, and I suspect but of course cannot prove that avoiding loss > of back-compatibility is a major goal for them. true, but adaptability is possible. Would probably mean giving up non-SDM AF support (there'd only be room in the adaptor for a stop-down motor) but compatibility is not a huge issue when you're talking 20+mm of register difference. Heck, Pentax has done that before (645/67 and K/645). > >> And the introduction of digital nearly completely devalued optical >> design in the body. The EVIL concept is just taking it to the next >> step. > > That assumes you can get the view off the sensor or t
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
I'm trying to figure out if we're still talking about the new camera or if it's about AF vs MF and matte vs split-prism. In any case, and seeing as you all asked, I would like a matte screen with a central micro-prism--no split prism for me, thank you. Basically, I'd like an SA-23 from the LX era: http://www.euronet.nl/~pimr/fs_descr.html Cheers, --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://enticingthelight.wordpress.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Miserere wrote: > I'm trying to figure out if we're still talking about the new camera > or if it's about AF vs MF and matte vs split-prism. Hey, this is PDML. We could be talking about all of those things at once. Or none of those things. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:36:51PM -0400, Graydon wrote: > With the shipped matte screen of the K20D, I saw the image as sharp when > it (from the camera point of view) was not; it looks like if the plane > of focus was 5cm wide, I'd see the image as sharp over between 20cm and > 50cm (depending on distance) of space in front of and behind that plane. > Drove me dotty. That's because with the stock matte screen not being ultimately sharp, and view being a relatively small portion of your field of view, the effective circle of confusion is so huge, the view through the viewfinder has a much greater depth of field than the sensor does. Also note how much smaller your retina is than the sensor, and everyone knows that a smaller sensor/film frame gives you more depth of field. lrc P.S. Before the shitstorm blows up in my face, the above couple of paragraphts was a psudoscientific *JOKE*. We don't want anybody on this list blowing a gasket. -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:39:16PM -0700, John Celio wrote: > Here's one of the macro photos: > http://www.neovenator.com/2009/04/pixel-therapy.html > > Shot with the K10D, Pentax Helicoid extension tube (fully extended), > three vivitar extension tubes (can't remember the sizes), Pentax Macro > Bellows K (fully extended), Pentax reverse mounting ring, D-FA 100mm > macro (reversed and set to somewhere halfway in its focus range) and an > AF540FGZ off to the left. I have no idea what the macro ratio of all > that together was, but it sure is fun to play with. :) Was the lens even in the same room as the camera? -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
I recently acquired the SMC Pentax Dental Closeup attachment lenses for use with their K/M 100mm/4.0 macro lenses. The one attachment lens that goes greater than 1:1 on the stock macro lens is great for shots like this. Ill have to take and post some sample photos once my server problem gets resolved. JC O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:38 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:39:16PM -0700, John Celio wrote: > Here's one of the macro photos: > http://www.neovenator.com/2009/04/pixel-therapy.html > > Shot with the K10D, Pentax Helicoid extension tube (fully extended), > three vivitar extension tubes (can't remember the sizes), Pentax Macro > Bellows K (fully extended), Pentax reverse mounting ring, D-FA 100mm > macro (reversed and set to somewhere halfway in its focus range) and > an AF540FGZ off to the left. I have no idea what the macro ratio of > all that together was, but it sure is fun to play with. :) Was the lens even in the same room as the camera? -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
...but is it a full frame gasket??? :-) LF Larry Colen escreveu: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:36:51PM -0400, Graydon wrote: With the shipped matte screen of the K20D, I saw the image as sharp when it (from the camera point of view) was not; it looks like if the plane of focus was 5cm wide, I'd see the image as sharp over between 20cm and 50cm (depending on distance) of space in front of and behind that plane. Drove me dotty. That's because with the stock matte screen not being ultimately sharp, and view being a relatively small portion of your field of view, the effective circle of confusion is so huge, the view through the viewfinder has a much greater depth of field than the sensor does. Also note how much smaller your retina is than the sensor, and everyone knows that a smaller sensor/film frame gives you more depth of field. lrc P.S. Before the shitstorm blows up in my face, the above couple of paragraphts was a psudoscientific *JOKE*. We don't want anybody on this list blowing a gasket. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
I remember reading at the page something about North Dakota... now that's some extension... LF Larry Colen escreveu: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:39:16PM -0700, John Celio wrote: Here's one of the macro photos: http://www.neovenator.com/2009/04/pixel-therapy.html Shot with the K10D, Pentax Helicoid extension tube (fully extended), three vivitar extension tubes (can't remember the sizes), Pentax Macro Bellows K (fully extended), Pentax reverse mounting ring, D-FA 100mm macro (reversed and set to somewhere halfway in its focus range) and an AF540FGZ off to the left. I have no idea what the macro ratio of all that together was, but it sure is fun to play with. :) Was the lens even in the same room as the camera? -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR.
- Original Message - From: "Luiz Felipe" Subject: Re: 21th may is the day for the new Pentax DSLR. ...but is it a full frame gasket??? :-) It's a simulated gasket. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
