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John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I don't personalise it, in 1968 the Spotmatic cost about 8 times the average weekly wage in England. Today, the *ist D at US$1300 will cost about three times the Australian industrial average wage. OK, now we're talkin'. That's impressive. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On February 28, 2003 06:20 pm, Mike Johnston wrote: Am I the only one wondering when $2k became a budget camera? If I was going to spend $1500 right now [forget $2k] I'd be trying to decide between the Pentax 6x7, the Mamiya 645e and the Fuji 6x9 and not really thrilled with any of them. I wouldn't be looking at a camera that on a good day might equal a spotmatic in quality. Well, how much did a Spotmatic cost new, and what is that amount adjusted for inflation? My guess is that it's not terribly far off from $1500. I think with the 50mm F/1.4 lens it was $330. But that's not my point. If you take your favorite screw mount lens and take the same photograph with this new camera and the Spotmatic is the new one going to be better? If not it's worth less to me then a used beaten up spot. Nick
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Cotty wrote: You can take my word for it, 6MP is brilliant, 6MP is superb, 6MP is accessible (shortly) to you. Go for it and I do not think you will be disappointed. On the contrary, I think you will be over the moon with the picture quality. Cotty, how much can you crop a photo taken on a 6MP sensor? I usually print on A4 paper (about 8-1/2 x 11 in the American system) on my Epson 870. Often I need to crop and print part of an image. Will a 6-er allow me to do this? Thanks, Joe
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Cotty, how much can you crop a photo taken on a 6MP sensor? I usually print on A4 paper (about 8-1/2 x 11 in the American system) on my Epson 870. Often I need to crop and print part of an image. Will a 6-er allow me to do this? I've now sent Joe some examples privately. Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
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I'll wait for the next generation with full-frame sensor and maybe 10 MPixel. BUT, as soon as I see the *ist d marketed, I will consider buying new Pentax film stuff, like a body with a prime, a 360FGZ flash, etc. Servus, Alin z So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why z not?
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I told the wife about it, intentionally phrasing: It'll cost me about a thousand. Her response was probably just an echo from across the PDML households: What do you mean 'I'tll cost me'? I said nothing after that. Collin *** From: Paul Franklin Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guys, let's be honest. For many of us, the *ist D will require the largest chunk of change we've ever spent on a single photographic item. We'd need to have the purchase approved by the household Treasurer. What are the odds that she'll say Yes? ***
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On 28 Feb 2003 at 8:35, Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote: I think many of us plan to sit out the first round of DLSR, either to buy it used, or buy its better+cheaper successor, in 2004. I mean, people who bought Olympus's excellent but underpixel'd E-10 Camedia felt like chumps when the E-20 replaced it within a year. I don't think that you'd find it was the case if you check back the E forum histories of the time. For obvious reasons I was watching these lists and it was generally suggested that there wasn't sufficient advantage in the E-20 to make most realistic E-10 owners too concerned. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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On 28 Feb 2003 at 8:33, Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote: Guys, let's be honest. For many of us, the *ist D will require the largest chunk of change we've ever spent on a single photographic item. We'd need to have the purchase approved by the household Treasurer. What are the odds that she'll say Yes? Anyone with a fast long lens will have spent more than the *ist D will cost, but the point is that regardless of its affordability if it doesn't serve the photographers purpose then it's not going to be appealing and IMHO it's biggest negative is simply the fact that the sensor isn't full frame. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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I think many of us plan to sit out the first round of DLSR, either to buy it used, or buy its better+cheaper successor, in 2004. I mean, people who bought Olympus's excellent but underpixel'd E-10 Camedia felt like chumps when the E-20 replaced it within a year. This is an interesting point. Way back (in the digital) when, I had exactly the same thoughts regarding the D30. I waited, and sure enough along came the D60. That was what I was waiting for. Okay, the new successor is better still, but things like slightly inferior auto-focus and lack of facility to zoom right in on the LCD screen to check focus, I can live without. What I was waiting for was the 6MP sensor. To me, that was the cutoff between what *I* consider acceptable for my needs, and what I do not. If I had not opted back then for the D60, and was now eyeing Pentax proceedings with the interest and excitement that many are, I would without doubt be putting my name down for a *ist D (bloody mouthful!). You can take my word for it, 6MP is brilliant, 6MP is superb, 6MP is accessible (shortly) to you. Go for it and I do not think you will be disappointed. On the contrary, I think you will be over the moon with the picture quality. All new hardware onto the market uses the public as a final testing stage, it goes without saying. But if there's a bug, it'll get fixed. Let's face it, if your camera stops working, you either get one that does, or you get a refund, eh? I would absolutely love to see an *ist D with an A*85mm (127mm) f1.4 stuck on the front of it - that would be a pretty mean portrait cam for sure. With a 15mm (22mm) 3.5, an excellent landscape cam. With a 28-70mm (42-105mm) 2.8, great for grabs and street. But think of all that money you will save by not having to pay for processing. Sure, a half-way decent printer will cost, and ink is not the cheapest requisite around. Works for me though, and it's brought a great big smile back to my photography. You get one if those *ist Ds and I will guarantee you will not be able to put it down. Know how your best film gear stays locked away ready for outings? Digital means that you will be waving it around all the time - *cos it hardly costs anything to shoot the hours away to your heart's content* no film! Think about it. Cotty Pentax *ist d Enabling Dept. Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
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Rob wrote: Anyone with a fast long lens will have spent more than the *ist D will cost, but the point is that regardless of its affordability if it doesn't serve the photographers purpose then it's not going to be appealing and IMHO it's biggest negative is simply the fact that the sensor isn't full frame. In addition, we are at a crossroad. This is the time (when switching to digital) where many sit down a reconsider things. Switching brands will happen wholesale at this juncture. The smaller sensor will accellerate this process as most, whether they realize it or not at present, would want new matching lenses. As very few have any faith in Pentax due to their lack of consistent support of their 35mm slr line the last 15 years or so, many would simply use this opportunity. I don't think the *ist D will be sufficient to convince people. I've just realized that if I'm going to buy a less than full frame DSLR I am doing so in order to save weight and gain reach with relatively small lenses for telephoto. For this I need new lenses. Theres no reason they have to be Pentax lenses. If, or perhaps rather when, Nikon or even Canon release small circle lenses that equvalents a 600/4 but at the size of 400/5.6 with IS and USM and an relatively affordable price, then I'm in the shopping line. The *ist D is just an also ran with no sign of an unique Pentax design vision. Pål
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It reminds me of the free coffee situation where I work. Until recently, the company charged for coffee before 10:30 am; after that time, it was free. Well, so many employees and contractors (such as Yours Truly) would wait till 10:30 that there weren't enough paying customers to subsidize the freeloaders. Now coffee costs all day long...and I keep instant coffee in my desk drawer. What the company should have done was to offer free coffee to anyone who was there ~before~, say, 7:30... heh-heh Fred
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Arnold wrote: So, if the *ist D will be considerably cheaper than its Nikon and Canon rivals, then I see no reason why the *ist D should not be successfull at a moment when the DSLR beomes a mass product. Whats makes you think it going to be cheaper? As far as I know the Nikon D100 is due for replacement and Canon will make a DSLR based on the Rebel. I'm sorry, but buy june the *ist D won't be the cheapest. In addition, the new Canon D10 is reportedly selling for $1500, which is similar to *ist D price estimates. However, Canon have the tradition of dumping the prices of their DSLR after six months or so, perhaps as early as the *ist D release date, perhaps sending it under $1000 mark. I'm just trying to be realistic. Pål
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The *ist D is just an also ran with no sign of an unique Pentax design vision. Although I can see that you're clearly unhappy, I'm just not sure what you expected Paal. Pentax was constrained by not enough market to buy a $4-5K Pentax. That kills full frame for now. The styling is that of an SLR. Ultraradical styling is really dangerous. Inevitably, more hate it than like it. What else could they have done? My point is that the *Ist D is pretty much what I expected. Was anyone just hoping for some unspecified amazing camera that just didn't materialize? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't think that you'd find it was the case if you check back the E forum histories of the time. For obvious reasons I was watching these lists and it was generally suggested that there wasn't sufficient advantage in the E-20 to make most realistic E-10 owners too concerned. Not only that, but some E-20 upgraders reported going _back_ to their E-10s because the write times were so much faster. --Mike
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Steve wrote: My point is that the *Ist D is pretty much what I expected. Was anyone just hoping for some unspecified amazing camera that just didn't materialize? I didn't expect a Nikon copy. I expected something with built in lust factor. Something that made peole say wow! with first sight. Something sexy that they had to check out. Mind you, this doesn't have to be weird looking camera; just good and distinctive looking. The *ist D is just anoher camera (with a silly name). Actually, I thought the *ist name signalized individuality. Seems I was wrong. It seems like my stunt with Pentax 35mm ends right here. I'll keep the LX and perhaps start scavenging the used market for those nice K and M lenses. When I want to go digital Pentax is not first on the list anymore. If I have to buy DSLR's without apetrure rings and faximiles of Nikon and Canon it would be downright foolish not to just buy a Nikon or Canon. After all they are much more complete propositions. I have no wish to use my K-mount lenses on a DSLR; at least if it is not full frame. Pål
Re: *ist D Enabling (was: Re: Hands up and be counted)
Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think many of us plan to sit out the first round of DLSR, either to buy it used, or buy its better+cheaper successor, in 2004. I mean, people who bought Olympus's excellent but underpixel'd E-10 Camedia felt like chumps when the E-20 replaced it within a year. Not true. The school photographer has an E-20, and the 4.2 vs. 5 MP is hardly noticieable. It downloads a little faster, but I would still buy the E-10 at the reduced price than pay the higher price for the E-20. This comparison was best shown when the E-20 broke and the E-10 was used as a replacement. My ruffled E-10 feathers aside, I do agree that waiting has advantages. Waiting for the more affordable second generation of new products/technology is a commonplace practice, especially when the word digital is involved in any way. Despite constant criticism of Pentax's marketing department, I expect they've taken this into account to some extent. With the Pentax emphasis on image quality, as evidenced by the Limited lenses, they're probably well aware that some people are going hold out for a full-frame digital. But they also know from the Canon D60 and Nikon D100 that APS-sized 6MP works damn well for a lot of people. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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From: Paul Franklin Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guys, let's be honest. For many of us, the *ist D will require the largest chunk of change we've ever spent on a single photographic item. We'd need to have the purchase approved by the household Treasurer. What are the odds that she'll say Yes? Hmm, let me see. Only if it's for my use. I wouldn't be fobbed off with a hand-me-down Optio from hubby so that ~he~ could buy an *istD snigger --- Wendy Beard Mosaid Technologies Inc 11 Hines Rd, Kanata, Ontario K2K 2X1, Canada
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Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It reminds me of the free coffee situation where I work. Until recently, the company charged for coffee before 10:30 am; after that time, it was free. Well, so many employees and contractors (such as Yours Truly) would wait till 10:30 that there weren't enough paying customers to subsidize the freeloaders. Now coffee costs all day long...and I keep instant coffee in my desk drawer. What the company should have done was to offer free coffee to anyone who was there ~before~, say, 7:30... heh-heh Devious! I like the way you think, Fred! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Yeah, so what if ist is like the F80. I personally would rather have a K mount F80(*ist D) than a nikon mount F80(D100). Trouble is, that I would prefer CMOS and a magnesium body. The D60 is miles better than the D100, and the 10D looks like it will be absolutely superb. I am not really bothered if it looks 'faceless' (although I must admit I agree with Pal that it doesn't inspire me the way the MZ-S did) but I would like CMOS (which is much better than CCD at high ISO) and magnesium body. For me to buy it without these I have to think long and hard whether I want to stay with K mount. This decision would be helped by either a) a cheap price for *ist D or b) the announcment, at least, that a full frame higher grade body is in the pipeline. IT would be one thing to be stuck with orphaned lenses now, but even worse to invest in Pentax digital and extra lenses needed and THEN be orphaned by the lack of progression. -Original Message- From: Arnold Stark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2003 15:00 To: PDML Subject: Re: Hands up and be counted Pål, please stop being so negative. OK, so the *ist D resembles a Nikon F80. It still has lots of known Pentax design and user interface elements, and it is much smaller that the technically similar Nikon D100, so I would not call it copied and pasted. So, if the *ist D will be considerably cheaper than its Nikon and Canon rivals, then I see no reason why the *ist D should not be successfull at a moment when the DSLR beomes a mass product. After all, Nikon and Canon became big by producing cheaper copies of German cameras, didn't they? Arnold
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Pal wrote: Arnold wrote: So, if the *ist D will be considerably cheaper than its Nikon and Canon rivals, then I see no reason why the *ist D should not be successfull at a moment when the DSLR beomes a mass product. Whats makes you think it going to be cheaper? As far as I know the Nikon D100 is due for replacement and Canon will make a DSLR based on the Rebel. I'm sorry, but buy june the *ist D won't be the cheapest. In addition, the new Canon D10 is reportedly selling for $1500, which is similar to *ist D price estimates. However, Canon have the tradition of dumping the prices of their DSLR after six months or so, perhaps as early as the *ist D release date, perhaps sending it under $1000 mark. I'm just trying to be realistic. Pål Pål, so far the 1500$ figures are wishful thinking (perhaps after 2 years). What you are writing here seems to be totally out of the blue. I don't know what your point is here, honestly. Alexander real*ist __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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Ultraradical styling is really dangerous. Inevitably, more hate it than like it. Steve, I agree. --Mike
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From: Paul Franklin Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guys, let's be honest. For many of us, the *ist D will require the largest chunk of change we've ever spent on a single photographic item. We'd need to have the purchase approved by the household Treasurer. What are the odds that she'll say Yes? *** Chancellor of the Exchequer at my house responded thusly to the information: But IS it going to actually come out? I still haven't forgiven them for the vaporware last time. I think the odds of his saying yes are fairly good if I actually get an opportunity to buy it.
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I didn't expect a Nikon copy. I expected something with built in lust factor. Something that made peole say wow! with first sight. Something sexy that they had to check out. Pål, One little thing you're overlooking--it *has* a built-in lust factor, it *is* causing people to say wow at first sight (look back at the PDML), and it *is* something sexy that they want to check out. Even with all the PMA news, and the fact that the EOS-10D is clearly stealing the show, the thread with the second-most traffic on dpreview.com is about the *ist D, and the large majority of the comments are positive. --Mike
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Since my post on the question, Would you buy it?, didn't seem to get through, I will answer again. I had two answers -- both sort of rambling. So this is a more concise summary. One, yes, if the price is right. I really don't have $2,000 to throw around, so price is a determining factor for me. I like the looks, it seems to have all the features I would want, but I was much more excited when I thought the street price would be $1,300. Still remote for me, but it felt somewhat doable. Second, no, not if another camera brand has similar features and is actually cheaper. I don't have that big an investment in Pentax glass, so that would not be crucial. Third, yes, if something revolutionary is in store. Which it may be. Price-wise or other-wise. We shall see. It's really too soon to say. Doe aka Marnie ;-)
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You're looking at that crossroad through your telephoto lens. We won't reach it until a full frame sensor reaches a less stratospheric cost, say less than $2000.00 US. When I first heard about the Kodak 14mp offering I though we were there but with a price of $5000.00 US and everyone else at about $8000.00 or more we're not there yet. I don't know if Pentax can pull a full frame Digital out of the hat but they've made a good start. At 03:26 PM 2/28/2003 +0100, you wrote: Rob wrote: Anyone with a fast long lens will have spent more than the *ist D will cost, but the point is that regardless of its affordability if it doesn't serve the photographers purpose then it's not going to be appealing and IMHO it's biggest negative is simply the fact that the sensor isn't full frame. In addition, we are at a crossroad. This is the time (when switching to digital) where many sit down a reconsider things. Switching brands will happen wholesale at this juncture. The smaller sensor will accellerate this process as most, whether they realize it or not at present, would want new matching lenses. As very few have any faith in Pentax due to their lack of consistent support of their 35mm slr line the last 15 years or so, many would simply use this opportunity. I don't think the *ist D will be sufficient to convince people. I've just realized that if I'm going to buy a less than full frame DSLR I am doing so in order to save weight and gain reach with relatively small lenses for telephoto. For this I need new lenses. Theres no reason they have to be Pentax lenses. If, or perhaps rather when, Nikon or even Canon release small circle lenses that equvalents a 600/4 but at the size of 400/5.6 with IS and USM and an relatively affordable price, then I'm in the shopping line. The *ist D is just an also ran with no sign of an unique Pentax design vision. Pål Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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I'll buy one as soon as I can scrape the cash together - not just because I want to, but because I have to so I can remain competitive in my area. I can truthfully say I like the looks of it, but it wouldn't matter to me if it looked like warmed-over dog poo as long as it does what I want and need it to do. I need it to work, not to sit there and look pretty. g Six megapixels is great for my needs, and the smaller sensor's multiplying effect will be a help for what I do, so if they put the price in the realm where I can get it in a reasonable amount of time, I'll be one happy camper. Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. -- Mark Twain
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Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CCD technology is moving on all the time - you may find that the previous disadvantages of CCDs over CMOS, namely noise with gain (higher ISO) and poor battery life are being readily addressed. Any technoheads following these developments? What news? Funny you should ask. I have been tracking this stuff: ADVANTAGES: CMOS Fewer ancillary chips Higher speed Lower supply voltage CCD Better uniformity (from one pixel to another) Better Dynamic range Requires less silicon per pixel Lower noise Better anti-blooming characteristics Better responsivity (Quantum Efficiency) Better fill factor (less space between pixels) Lower sensor complexity DISADVANTAGES: CMOS Require post-processing circuitry to compensate for noise CCD Higher system complexity -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Fortunately for me, she wants a new racing bike, which will be about $1000. I think I'll encourage a Titanium frame (for safety, of course) . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On February 28, 2003 02:35 pm, Christian Skofteland wrote: On Friday 28 February 2003 14:09, Nick Zentena wrote: Am I the only one wondering when $2k became a budget camera? If I was going to spend $1500 right now [forget $2k] I'd be trying to decide between the Pentax 6x7, the Mamiya 645e and the Fuji 6x9 and not really thrilled with any of them. I wouldn't be looking at a camera that on a good day might equal a spotmatic in quality. Nick Don't forget to add costs of lenses to your 645 or 67 bodies. They aren't cheap, even on the used market. The Mamiya 645e is around $800 for the value pack. Includes a lens and a few others odds and ends. I just checked a large retailers website and plenty of used Pentax 67 lens for prices that shouldn't shock anybody buying a $1500 camera. Actually seemed on the low side to me. Nick
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On February 28, 2003 02:33 pm, Peter Alling wrote: Not a budget but at that price you might actually get that ephemeral savings on film and processing before the digicam you buy is obsolete in the market. In terms of image quality isn't it already obsolete? It won't get the same quality that those same lens would provide on a 35mm camera. Nick
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Cotty, I absolutely agree. I shoot either velvia or sensia normally, so by the time i purchase the film ($12.00-$22.00) and then have it processed, I have sunk $24.00-$44.00 into a roll of 36. I bought my Nikon 995 for work related photos as the quality didn't really matter that myuch, and 'snaps' were all that was required. I find myself taking the 995 more and more to things where I know all I might want is too take a few snaps, mainly because I don't want the expense of slide. Sure, I could use print film, but I haven't used print film for yonks. I can't wait to get my grubbies on a DSLR...I'll be waving it around like a West Indian criketer Cheers Shaun Cotty wrote: I think many of us plan to sit out the first round of DLSR, either to buy it used, or buy its better+cheaper successor, in 2004. I mean, people who bought Olympus's excellent but underpixel'd E-10 Camedia felt like chumps when the E-20 replaced it within a year. This is an interesting point. Way back (in the digital) when, I had exactly the same thoughts regarding the D30. I waited, and sure enough along came the D60. That was what I was waiting for. Okay, the new successor is better still, but things like slightly inferior auto-focus and lack of facility to zoom right in on the LCD screen to check focus, I can live without. What I was waiting for was the 6MP sensor. To me, that was the cutoff between what *I* consider acceptable for my needs, and what I do not. If I had not opted back then for the D60, and was now eyeing Pentax proceedings with the interest and excitement that many are, I would without doubt be putting my name down for a *ist D (bloody mouthful!). You can take my word for it, 6MP is brilliant, 6MP is superb, 6MP is accessible (shortly) to you. Go for it and I do not think you will be disappointed. On the contrary, I think you will be over the moon with the picture quality. All new hardware onto the market uses the public as a final testing stage, it goes without saying. But if there's a bug, it'll get fixed. Let's face it, if your camera stops working, you either get one that does, or you get a refund, eh? I would absolutely love to see an *ist D with an A*85mm (127mm) f1.4 stuck on the front of it - that would be a pretty mean portrait cam for sure. With a 15mm (22mm) 3.5, an excellent landscape cam. With a 28-70mm (42-105mm) 2.8, great for grabs and street. But think of all that money you will save by not having to pay for processing. Sure, a half-way decent printer will cost, and ink is not the cheapest requisite around. Works for me though, and it's brought a great big smile back to my photography. You get one if those *ist Ds and I will guarantee you will not be able to put it down. Know how your best film gear stays locked away ready for outings? Digital means that you will be waving it around all the time - *cos it hardly costs anything to shoot the hours away to your heart's content* no film! Think about it. Cotty Pentax *ist d Enabling Dept. Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ . -- Shaun Canning Cultural Heritage Services High Street, Broadford, Victoria, 3658. www.heritageservices.com.au/ Phone: 0414-967644 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am I the only one wondering when $2k became a budget camera? If I was going to spend $1500 right now [forget $2k] I'd be trying to decide between the Pentax 6x7, the Mamiya 645e and the Fuji 6x9 and not really thrilled with any of them. I wouldn't be looking at a camera that on a good day might equal a spotmatic in quality. Well, how much did a Spotmatic cost new, and what is that amount adjusted for inflation? My guess is that it's not terribly far off from $1500. --Mike
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In 1968, I earned 20 pounds a week, with a free house, car and income tax of 40 pounds a year. A Spotmatic in England at that time cost 122 pounds and a bit - six weeks of my pay, rounded. An *ist D is forecast to be priced about US$1300-$1500: let's strike an average at $1400. I currently pay myself a basic wage of US$635 per week, and take profit-sharing of the rest. Nuff said? John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 9:20 AM Subject: Re: Hands up and be counted Am I the only one wondering when $2k became a budget camera? If I was going to spend $1500 right now [forget $2k] I'd be trying to decide between the Pentax 6x7, the Mamiya 645e and the Fuji 6x9 and not really thrilled with any of them. I wouldn't be looking at a camera that on a good day might equal a spotmatic in quality. Well, how much did a Spotmatic cost new, and what is that amount adjusted for inflation? My guess is that it's not terribly far off from $1500. --Mike
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On 28 Feb 2003 at 16:40, Rob Brigham wrote: For me to buy it without these I have to think long and hard whether I want to stay with K mount. This decision would be helped by either a) a cheap price for *ist D or b) the announcment, at least, that a full frame higher grade body is in the pipeline. IT would be one thing to be stuck with orphaned lenses now, but even worse to invest in Pentax digital and extra lenses needed and THEN be orphaned by the lack of progression. I doubt your point would be appreciated by anyone who hasn't got a expensive lens selection or who hasn't recently sunk big bucks into new limited lenses on the premise that a FF DSLR was around the corner. I can see where you are coming from and agree entirely. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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John Coyle wrote: In 1968 ... A Spotmatic in England at that time cost 122 pounds and a bit - six weeks of my pay, rounded. An *ist D is forecast to be priced about US$1300-$1500: let's strike an average at $1400. I currently pay myself a basic wage of US$635 per week, and take profit-sharing of the rest. John, I have no idea how your earning power has or hasn't changed over 35 years. A more meaningful comparison would ask, How does the street price compare with the median personal salary in the country of sale? I'd even settle for median household income. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm in! Christian On Thursday 27 February 2003 11:21, zoomshot wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. Ziggy
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I cannot afford a camera whose street price is anywhere near $2000. Nor $1500, for that matter. I might buy one near $1000, but some equipment would have to go first. So, covet as I might, a new *ist D is very probably not on my buy list this year! No way I can justify an outlay like that for a third digital camera... On the other hand, an Optio-S (that'll be my digital #2) surely IS! big grin · keith whaley · A retired gent who is still a serious amateur photog and Pentax lover, but with relatively limited discretionary money. zoomshot wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. Ziggy
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Ziggy wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? I won't buy it for the following reasons: - It is just a Nikon F80 with K-mount. The F80 has never tempted me the slightest. - It will be outdated in six months. - It will be too expensive as long as it cost more than $1000. - Low resolution images. - Too expensive: I have to update all my computer equipment and buy lots of paraphernalia to have any pleasure out of it. - At present no lenses that take advantage of the small image circle. When they come, I might be tempted by the follow up(s) of the *ist D. - I find it to be a deeply derivative and unimaginable camera. I think this is going to backfire; people who want a Nikon F80 or a D100 are probably going to buy the real thing. Pål
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-Original Message- From: zoomshot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? Undecided. I won't use it professionally (res too low compared to what I use now), and I'm not sure I'd want or need it for personal use. I'll be going digital at some point, and it would be nice if I could ease into it. I could buy this, figure out my workflow, then buy whatever is next. The problem is that what is next might not be so great, and other solutions are available now, unfortunately from other companies. So, I'm still mulling it over. tv
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No,not at this time anyway.Nice to know my M and A and M42's will work though.Gives me some thinkin ta do. Why not.?I have $7,000.00Canadian,(initial 2001 investment)in a Nikon D1 with 35-70 and 80-200 f2.8's at this time. Cannot tell until i see and try one,but it looks TOO small for my liking.I like to walk around with bricks in my handVBG Dave So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. Ziggy
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zoomshot wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? Here is what I am thinking of doing... I will probably keep a superA with A20/2.8, A24/2.8, K30/2.8, A50/1.4 and A100/2.8 Macro, and will sell the (few) other Pentax items that I own. I will then by the Canon 10D and their new 17-40/4 L USM lens. This will add to my new EOS 30 and 70-200/4 L USM, and I will have a perfect manual-focus system (Pentax), film-based AF system (Canon) and a digital AF system (Canon). I'm a happy clam!!! I LIKE THE *ist D _BODY_ BETTER, BUT I AM NOT IMPRESSED WITH PENTAX'S CURRENT AF LINE-UP. Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes... Best wishes, Boz -- _\\|//_ Imagination is more important than knowledge... 0(` O-O ')0 A. Einstein ===ooO=(_)=Ooo=== Bojidar D. Dimitrov author and editor, Pentax K-Mount web page [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmp.BDimitrov.de/ = __ __
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I quote my self. I will not go digital before 8-10 megapixels and 1 to 1 field of view crop... (and even then I will probably wait until the price becomes half way decent, which probably means another model coming out) L
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Ziggy wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? I'm not. The resolution is still too low for a $1000+ camera, and I wouldn't use it enough to justify that price. I tend to use digital for fun stuff and eBay shots, but not for anything serious... that's what my 6x7 is for. I'd much rather have the larger negative and the fun of shooting a 6x7 than the increased automation of a DSLR. I sold my MZ-5n because I don't like the feel and handling of Pentax AF cameras. chris
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I will be getting one. Bruce Thursday, February 27, 2003, 8:21:04 AM, you wrote: z So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why z not? z To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. z Ziggy
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I've been looking at digital for some time and the biggest problem was poor image quality vs price, now Dslrs have improved the quality, at a price ( I can't stand the little digi point and shoots. ), now DSLR prices have come down ALOT I will probably get this lil beast, but film is till in my diet. --- Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot afford a camera whose street price is anywhere near $2000. Nor $1500, for that matter. I might buy one near $1000, but some equipment would have to go first. So, covet as I might, a new *ist D is very probably not on my buy list this year! No way I can justify an outlay like that for a third digital camera... On the other hand, an Optio-S (that'll be my digital #2) surely IS! big grin · keith whaley · A retired gent who is still a serious amateur photog and Pentax lover, but with relatively limited discretionary money. zoomshot wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. Ziggy __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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--- zoomshot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? Well, you can count me in as long as the reviews of the imaging properties are positive. 6mp is plenty enough for me and the small size is incredibly welcome. I will, however, wait until early next year for the initial price to drop a bit as well as any bug fixes/firmware upgrades that need to be made. Mark __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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Ziggy asked: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? Well, to keep this from being completely biased in favour of folks who'll be buying it (self-selected sample error), I guess I should speak: I won't be buying one, and the reason is simple economics. I'm not sure how I'm paying my HMO premium or my electric bill this month (or other bills from folks who haven't threatened to cut me off yet), and I don't see my finances improving significantly in the near future. So I'm limited incredibly lucky pawn shop or yard sale finds, and the occasional hand-me-down (my very first Pentax H3 was a gift from a friend who saw the toy plastic camera I was using and took pity on me). Would I get the new digital if I could afford it? Probably. I've been wanting to add digital to my bag of tricks for some time, so depending on what the price wound up being, I'd probably pick one up if I had enough left over after my bills were paid. (Though I might grab a 67II first in that situation.) Someday fifteen or twenty years from now I'll find one on a table at a yard sale and snatch it up. How much sense does it make for me to be as excited as I am about the release of something I know I can't touch? 'Cause I am excited that Pentax is releasing a K-mount digital (even if it's not a 24x36 sensor). I'm just not sure _why_ I'm so excited. -- Glenn
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I am a very probable. I REALLY want full frame, but I realise there are 'advantages' to the extra magnification. One day in the dim and distant, it would make a fine second body to my full frame, foveon, 20MP MZ-S derivative! It all depends on price (just make sure its not totally out of order) and quality (Ideally better than D100). The 10D makes a SERIOUS case for going Canon, if the ist D does not undercut it on price and/or quality then I will have to think very carefully. If I had no glass I think I would be going 10D. Its largely because I don't want the hassle of changing glass (not even the expense - just the aggro) that I will probably buy *istD. Not because I am especially turned on by it, compared with the competition, or out of loyalty to Pentax or dislike of Canon. Canon are actually unbelievably good at the moment in the digital/lens/innovation/price market. -Original Message- From: zoomshot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 February 2003 16:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hands up and be counted So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. Ziggy
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I will probably take one but what worries me is the Canon EOS-10D is at third generation and will come in at less than 2200 Euro and this Pentax first generation may be more expensive. But when I look at the cost of my present glass and the loss in selling it all then I only have one alternative, *ist-D. I'm in a much better position then you as I have slowly updated my computer gear to cope with digital and am ready. Ziggy I won't buy it for the following reasons: - It is just a Nikon F80 with K-mount. The F80 has never tempted me the slightest. - It will be outdated in six months. - It will be too expensive as long as it cost more than $1000. - Low resolution images. - Too expensive: I have to update all my computer equipment and buy lots of paraphernalia to have any pleasure out of it. - At present no lenses that take advantage of the small image circle. When they come, I might be tempted by the follow up(s) of the *ist D. - I find it to be a deeply derivative and unimaginable camera. I think this is going to backfire; people who want a Nikon F80 or a D100 are probably going to buy the real thing. Pål
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I'll get one for sure! Regards, JvW On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:21:04 -, zoomshot wrote: To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery
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I'm in! Christian On Thursday 27 February 2003 11:21, zoomshot wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. Ziggy Me if in any way possible I can find the money. I just need my FinePix 6900 to hold out until this is available. Actually, this is assuming it has a sensitivity of at least 800 ISO equivalent. If it only goes to 400, forget it.
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Chris Brogden wrote: Ziggy wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? I'm not. The resolution is still too low for a $1000+ camera, and I wouldn't use it enough to justify that price. I tend to use digital for fun stuff and eBay shots, but not for anything serious... that's what my 6x7 is for. I'd much rather have the larger negative and the fun of shooting a 6x7 than the increased automation of a DSLR. I sold my MZ-5n because I don't like the feel and handling of Pentax AF cameras. chris I'm glad the DSLR is going to be on sale soon. Lots of people will put their 35mm and 67 equipment on eBay etc for sale. As I want another 67 body, lenses and other bits and bobs this is good news for me :-) I'll add a second hand DSLR sometime after upgrading the computer. Malcolm
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I'll order one as soon as it's available, assuming it's about $1500 USD or lower. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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zoomshot said: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. Ziggy Nope. The camera, a computer to support it, and software like Photoshop is just too expensive for me.
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So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? I won't because I bought into Canon (D60). I have no regrets. However, at some point in the future, I may very well switch back (WRT digital) - that will depend on a number of things though. The most important thing will be for me to judge whether or not the way Pentax is heading mirrors my own beliefs. At this moment, it is not really doing that. Beautiful camera though! Best, Cotty PS Nice one Ziggo - you've got the measure of this list already ;-) Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
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I will probably take one but what worries me is the Canon EOS-10D is at third generation and will come in at less than 2200 Euro and this Pentax first generation may be more expensive. But when I look at the cost of my present glass and the loss in selling it all then I only have one alternative, *ist-D. I'm in a much better position then you as I have slowly updated my computer gear to cope with digital and am ready. The clincher for the majority is the price. With the Canon 10D as direct competition (along with the Nikon D100), the window of financial opportunity is slim. If the 10D comes in at under 1400 USD, then a Pentax *ist D must be less, simple as that. 1299 is cutting it too fine IMO. 1199 and half of you will jump on it. 999 and the other half will :-) Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
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So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? I would if I could afford to. Probably won't, though, the reason being cost. --Mike
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I'm a probable. for me the 2 deciding factors will be: 1) if it comes in sub $1500 street, preferably $1000-$1200. 2) how good ( or bad ) manual focusing is ( focus confirmation? ). Having worked in labs with digital capabilities I've seen enough output from 6 MP ( and smaller ) DSLRs to know that the resolution is adequate for my needs. I will put on my wish list 48 bit color. My reasoning on getting one. The resolution is adequate. I rarely shoot wide angle. Until I bought my K mount primes the widest I had was a 35mm. My enjoyment comes from working in the digital darkroom, especially Photoshop. If I factor in the $500-$800 I was going to spend on a film scanner the camera becomes cost effective quicker. I figure a camera with these specs will keep me satisfied at least 3-5 years at which time sub $1000 15-20 MP full frame sensor cameras will be available should I want one. What would cause me not to buy one. The price is too high. The viewfinder hoovers. The early reviews pan it for bad image quality or other serious problems. Hopefully, since we are dealing with non-cutting edge technology, Pentax has dealt with all of these issues and is coming out with a mature, well engineered product. I will probably put myself on a waiting list shortly. BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hess (Damien)
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On 03.2.27 3:15 PM, KT Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Therefore, I think Pentax will show the *ist D as a reference exhibition (or something close to it as they usually do) while firming up the final detail. I also heard that Pentax has an excellent software capability which in some parts exceed N/C. I knew they have been hiring many software engineers and beefing up that aspect. We'll see how it is reflected in their new digital offerings. I speculate that the hardware difference among major competitions would level off at some point (with some wild cards like feveon and even canon's CMOS etc) and the image processing features may become more important. Other than that, the total packaging such as the compactness, weight and user-friendly operation etc might become more important. Then. Pentax might start competing in the new lens line up. :-), making the total Pentax package really attractive. They are now fully in this digital competition which the president admitted that they were not until recently (purposely?). Now, they obviously determined that their time has come. Empire strikes back! Cheers, Ken
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On 27 Feb 2003 at 16:21, zoomshot wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? It's a nice camera and I hope it does well, but it's got to be priced better than the Canon 10D to make a dent in the market. Since my shooting style is biased towards wide angle I'll simply have to wait for a FF sensor. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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- Original Message - From: Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hands up and be counted I'm in! So am I:) Regards Artur --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl
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I'll think about it after I read the reviews, and get a sense of when the follow up model will be released. I am always a bit cautious of buying the first model of anything. I like to know that the bugs (if any) have been ironed out before I lay out my cash. Having said that, if the reviews are positive, and it does what I want it to do, I'll be very very tempted. As always, price will be the killer. If it is in the $1200.00 range, it will be hard to pass up! New FA* lenses to suit the *ist D would also be mighty nice... Cheers Shaun Artur Ledóchowski wrote: - Original Message - From: Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hands up and be counted I'm in! So am I:) Regards Artur --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl . -- Shaun Canning Cultural Heritage Services High Street, Broadford, Victoria, 3658. www.heritageservices.com.au/ Phone: 0414-967644 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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NoI find it a very ugly body and APS does not interest me at all. WHERE IS THE BODY TO TAKE THE LIMITED LENSES? -Original Message- From: zoomshot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 27, 2003 11:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hands up and be counted So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. Ziggy
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Nicolas, You lost me there. Are you saying APS film cameras or APS sized sensors? Bruce Thursday, February 27, 2003, 2:50:40 PM, you wrote: NC NoI find it a very ugly body and APS does not interest me at all. NC WHERE IS THE BODY TO TAKE THE LIMITED LENSES? NC -Original Message- NC From: zoomshot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NC Sent: February 27, 2003 11:21 NC To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NC Subject: Hands up and be counted NC So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not NC why NC not? NC To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. NC Ziggy
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WHERE IS THE BODY TO TAKE THE LIMITED LENSES? There's no need to shout - we hear you. Lukasz --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl
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I for one won't be buying one any time soon. I really have no need for one, if I were still a working PJ, and God wasn't that a long time ago, I might be tempted but then my income was so low that I couldn't have afforded one. I'm waiting for a larger sensor with 10+ mpixls, (I can't decide how I want to abbreviate that), even then I'm not sure if I'd actually buy one. I am very happy to see a Pentax DSLR that can use all K mount lenses I think that it bodes well for the future. It really does set Pentax apart from the rest of the pack, now if only Pentax will use this in it's marketing. (I do think it's a pretty little camera and it should sell well). At 04:21 PM 2/27/2003 +, you wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. Ziggy Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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Ziggy wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? Pål Jensen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I won't buy it for the following reasons: - It is just a Nikon F80 with K-mount. The F80 has never tempted me the slightest. - It will be outdated in six months. - It will be too expensive as long as it cost more than $1000. - Low resolution images. - Too expensive: I have to update all my computer equipment and buy lots of paraphernalia to have any pleasure out of it. - At present no lenses that take advantage of the small image circle. When they come, I might be tempted by the follow up(s) of the *ist D. - I find it to be a deeply derivative and unimaginable camera. I think this is going to backfire; people who want a Nikon F80 or a D100 are probably going to buy the real thing. Pål I don't know yet if I will buy it. Factors to consider: Plus: a. I can give my Optio330RS to my wife rather than buy a new one for her b. I can use all of my lenses, those I have left after I do a sell-off to buy the new camera. c. I will double the resolution from my current (330RS) digital d. I can gain the ability to use digital in dimmer light. (Optio is limited to sunlight or flash - anything dim is horrible as the effective ISO is really limited to 200 max) Minus: a. The MZ-S has a wonderful shutter release + MLU design. the pictures of the *ist-D seem to show a different, flatter design. Anything different than the MZ-S will be a step in the wrong direction. The ergonomics must be right. b. If it does not have equivalent quality at ISO 400 and even 800 as at 200. c. If the shutter lag is long. d. If it is priced much more than my MZ-S Totally irrelevant: a. If it looks like a Nikpn. b. If it looks like a Canon. c. If it doesn't look like a Nikon. d. If it doesn't look like a Canon. e. If it costs more, less than, then same as a Nikon, Canon, or six-pack of beer. I wouldn't recognize a Nikon or Canon unless it had a nameplate I could read, and I really just don't care what they do or don't do. I would not buy this camera instead of or in addition to any other camera, I would buy it, or not, for its own qualities and what some other brand does is totally of no interest to me. I have a digital toy, it is adequate, I am very optimistic that I can upgrade to a better camera that also lets me use my K-mount lenses, but if the *ist-D fails, then I will continue with my MZ-S and my toy. Someday I will be able to buy a digital K-mount camera. Or not. Stan
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I wont be buying the *ist D. The 6Mpixels wont be signifigantly better than film and the sensor's too small. At least it's a start. Hopefully they will offer better models as time goes by...I sure hope they dont concentrate on the small sensor. I want full frame and 10 Mpixel minimum. I dont need the small body size the APS size sensor allows... JCO
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On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:21:04 -, you wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. Ziggy I'll buy one early on, as long as it shoots well and has good AF. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
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A bit worse than film and 2700 dpi scanner I think. At 09:57 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: I wont be buying the *ist D. The 6Mpixels wont be signifigantly better than film and the sensor's too small. At least it's a start. Hopefully they will offer better models as time goes by...I sure hope they dont concentrate on the small sensor. I want full frame and 10 Mpixel minimum. I dont need the small body size the APS size sensor allows... JCO Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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And I forgot to mention one other negative: if they sell it as a Kit and I have to buy a J lens I will be seriously turned off... stan Ziggy wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? Pål Jensen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I won't buy it for the following reasons: ... Pål Stan Halpin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know yet if I will buy it. Factors to consider: Plus: ... Minus: ... Totally irrelevant: ...
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So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. Ziggy Unfortunately, no. We're planning on building a new home next summer (2004) and the cost of the *istD would be a start on the well. Bill
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And I forgot to mention one other negative: if they sell it as a Kit and I have to buy a J lens I will be seriously turned off... *Seriously*... Fred
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And I forgot to mention one other negative: if they sell it as a Kit and I have to buy a J lens I will be seriously turned off... *Seriously*... Maybe I should have said p*ist , Stan... Fred
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[Re the *ist D] Totally irrelevant: a. If it looks like a Nikpn. b. If it looks like a Canon. c. If it doesn't look like a Nikon. d. If it doesn't look like a Canon. e. If it costs more, less than, then same as a Nikon, Canon, or six-pack of beer. I wouldn't recognize a Nikon or Canon unless it had a nameplate I could read, and I really just don't care what they do or don't do. I like your approach, Stan. Fred
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zoomshot wrote: So, how many of you merry people are going to get an *ist-D and if not why not? To start the ball rolling you can count me as a taker. Ziggy Not me. I will wait until digital SLR prices come down pixel count is greater then 10 megapixel. -- David S. Nature and wildlife photography http://www.sheppardphotos.com
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Unfortunately, it is true that Pentax offers nothing that can be directly compared with 17-40/4 L USM and 70-200/f L USM. I guess we will ever see somenthing comparable only, if the *ist and the *ist D are a huge success. It is true that Canon offers the most advanced and most consistent AF system. However, if you switch to Canon for the AF system, the you might switch to Contax or Leica for the best manual focus systems - with Contax Carl Zeiss lenses becoming really cheap used lately. Pentax and Nikon are only the best (and only) choices, if you want manual focus and AF in ONE system. Bojidar Dimitrov schrieb: Here is what I am thinking of doing... I will probably keep a superA with A20/2.8, A24/2.8, K30/2.8, A50/1.4 and A100/2.8 Macro, and will sell the (few) other Pentax items that I own. I will then by the Canon 10D and their new 17-40/4 L USM lens. This will add to my new EOS 30 and 70-200/4 L USM, and I will have a perfect manual-focus system (Pentax), film-based AF system (Canon) and a digital AF system (Canon). I'm a happy clam!!! I LIKE THE *ist D _BODY_ BETTER, BUT I AM NOT IMPRESSED WITH PENTAX'S CURRENT AF LINE-UP. Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes... Best wishes, Boz
