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Quite so! Yeah, so still an issue although you can at least preserve your work and manage the assets in Lr. Hmmm. Still sub-optimal. On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 5:22 PM Jostein wrote: > > I suspect it will still mean that the adjustments made in Serif-layers > will not be understood by LR because of the non-Adobe way of encoding them. > > Jostein > > Den 04.11.2018 22:16, skrev Bruce Walker: > > Aha! They have listened to user feedback then; good. > > > > When I tested it, I complained about that and was told they had no > > plans to fix it, so tough. (Basically.) > > > > So it could be useful after all. > > > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 4:10 PM Jostein wrote: > >> Thanks Bruce. > >> > >> Just returned home to a wider network pipeline and dug up this statement > >> at the Affinity user forum: > >> > >> "We have registered our own TIFF tags for embedding Affinity layer data > >> in a TIFF, in similar fashion to PSD layer data. This is intended for > >> use with DAMs that use TIFF as their interchange format. When saving a > >> TIFF file, if your document has multiple layers you will be given the > >> option of including Affinity layer data. This will preserve the > >> editable elements of a multi-layer document. This obviously comes at a > >> cost of increased file size. Our TIFF tags will use our proprietary > >> data format and as such can only be used by Affinity applications. > >> > >> At this time we have no plans to save TIFF files with the PSD format > >> layer data. PSD layer data held in a TIFF file will be imported and > >> converted to the Affinity format." > >> > >> Jostein -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I suspect it will still mean that the adjustments made in Serif-layers will not be understood by LR because of the non-Adobe way of encoding them. Jostein Den 04.11.2018 22:16, skrev Bruce Walker: Aha! They have listened to user feedback then; good. When I tested it, I complained about that and was told they had no plans to fix it, so tough. (Basically.) So it could be useful after all. On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 4:10 PM Jostein wrote: Thanks Bruce. Just returned home to a wider network pipeline and dug up this statement at the Affinity user forum: "We have registered our own TIFF tags for embedding Affinity layer data in a TIFF, in similar fashion to PSD layer data. This is intended for use with DAMs that use TIFF as their interchange format. When saving a TIFF file, if your document has multiple layers you will be given the option of including Affinity layer data. This will preserve the editable elements of a multi-layer document. This obviously comes at a cost of increased file size. Our TIFF tags will use our proprietary data format and as such can only be used by Affinity applications. At this time we have no plans to save TIFF files with the PSD format layer data. PSD layer data held in a TIFF file will be imported and converted to the Affinity format." Jostein Den 04.11.2018 15:51, skrev Bruce Walker: On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:42 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: This saving in Affinity, Bruce... It reads to me like the problem has two components and I'm a little confused about what's what. For starters, you configured Affinity as an external editor in LR, right? Right. Then you invoked Affinity from LR, which makes LR create a TIFF that is opened in Affinity. Hope I'm still on track. Correct. Still on track. :-) Then, when you finished the edit in Affinity, I imagine you saved the TIFF as is. Yup. I save the Affinity-edited version. Here are the things I haven't quite figured out yet... Did the the saved edit of the TIFF then show in LR? If not, could the preview be refreshed to show it? Yes, it appears in the Lr Library as expected. And about the layers... Did Affinity preserve layers in the saved file? No, it doesn't, and that's the essential problem. Affinity cannot create a layered TIFF like Photoshop. It flattens the TIFF so all your intermediate editing steps -- the layers -- are gone forever. As one reviewer pointed out you can save the edited file separately from within Affinity as a proprietary Affinity file but Lightroom can't manage that as an asset, so it can (and will likely) go astray. Jostein the slow learner... That I doubt. :-) Den 4. november 2018 02.54.04 CET, skrev Bruce Walker : No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user. It can't do that. So ... /next/. On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR, why are you using Photoshop to generate files? G On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing the impending release with a big social media and blogging sites campaign and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released shortly. You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop. Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file. You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save. That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a layered TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that with the original for less confusion. If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing is there intact with all layers, meta info, etc. Clear? On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of 2017 and didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I doubt you were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of years ago. I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. I'm not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file in Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ?? But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use Photoshop. G On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself when I tested their final beta a couple of years ago. The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I
Re: Nuts to Adobe
Aha! They have listened to user feedback then; good. When I tested it, I complained about that and was told they had no plans to fix it, so tough. (Basically.) So it could be useful after all. On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 4:10 PM Jostein wrote: > > Thanks Bruce. > > Just returned home to a wider network pipeline and dug up this statement > at the Affinity user forum: > > "We have registered our own TIFF tags for embedding Affinity layer data > in a TIFF, in similar fashion to PSD layer data. This is intended for > use with DAMs that use TIFF as their interchange format. When saving a > TIFF file, if your document has multiple layers you will be given the > option of including Affinity layer data. This will preserve the > editable elements of a multi-layer document. This obviously comes at a > cost of increased file size. Our TIFF tags will use our proprietary > data format and as such can only be used by Affinity applications. > > At this time we have no plans to save TIFF files with the PSD format > layer data. PSD layer data held in a TIFF file will be imported and > converted to the Affinity format." > > Jostein > > Den 04.11.2018 15:51, skrev Bruce Walker: > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:42 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: > >> This saving in Affinity, Bruce... > >> It reads to me like the problem has two components and I'm a little > >> confused about what's what. > >> For starters, you configured Affinity as an external editor in LR, right? > > Right. > > > > > >> Then you invoked Affinity from LR, which makes LR create a TIFF that is > >> opened in Affinity. Hope I'm still on track. > > Correct. Still on track. :-) > > > > > >> Then, when you finished the edit in Affinity, I imagine you saved the TIFF > >> as is. > > Yup. I save the Affinity-edited version. > > > > > >> Here are the things I haven't quite figured out yet... > >> > >> Did the the saved edit of the TIFF then show in LR? If not, could the > >> preview be refreshed to show it? > > Yes, it appears in the Lr Library as expected. > > > > > >> And about the layers... Did Affinity preserve layers in the saved file? > > No, it doesn't, and that's the essential problem. > > Affinity cannot create a layered TIFF like Photoshop. It flattens the > > TIFF so all your intermediate editing steps -- the layers -- are gone > > forever. > > > > As one reviewer pointed out you can save the edited file separately > > from within Affinity as a proprietary Affinity file but Lightroom > > can't manage that as an asset, so it can (and will likely) go astray. > > > > > >> Jostein the slow learner... > > That I doubt. :-) > > > > > >> Den 4. november 2018 02.54.04 CET, skrev Bruce Walker > >> : > >>> No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So > >>> Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a > >>> layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop > >>> does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user. > >>> > >>> It can't do that. So ... /next/. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > >>> wrote: > That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR, > >>> why are you using Photoshop to generate files? > G > > > > On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker > >>> wrote: > > Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing > >>> the > > impending release with a big social media and blogging sites > >>> campaign > > and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released > > shortly. > > > > > > You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back > > into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop. > > > > Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you > > invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it > > appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file. > > > > You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save. > > > > That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a > >>> layered > > TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that > >>> with > > the original for less confusion. > > > > If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing > >>> is > > there intact with all layers, meta info, etc. > > > > Clear? > > > >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > >>> wrote: > >> Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of > >>> 2017 and didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I > >>> doubt you were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of > >>> years ago. > >> I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. > >>> I'm not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file > >>> in Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ?? > >> But for sure, if it's all of
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Den 04.11.2018 22:06, skrev Bruce Walker: But Jostein was looking for a replacement for Photoshop as an external editor for Lightroom, presumably to do more than just add a border. Ha! So it's you who has been looking at my website! I wondered who that visitor was. :-) Actually I add my borders in Lightroom, using the LR/mogrify plugin. So you're absolutely right. I need an editor for layer blending, for layer masks too intricate for LR, for final retouch of deep stacks made by Zerene... the list goes on. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Bruce. Just returned home to a wider network pipeline and dug up this statement at the Affinity user forum: "We have registered our own TIFF tags for embedding Affinity layer data in a TIFF, in similar fashion to PSD layer data. This is intended for use with DAMs that use TIFF as their interchange format. When saving a TIFF file, if your document has multiple layers you will be given the option of including Affinity layer data. This will preserve the editable elements of a multi-layer document. This obviously comes at a cost of increased file size. Our TIFF tags will use our proprietary data format and as such can only be used by Affinity applications. At this time we have no plans to save TIFF files with the PSD format layer data. PSD layer data held in a TIFF file will be imported and converted to the Affinity format." Jostein Den 04.11.2018 15:51, skrev Bruce Walker: On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:42 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: This saving in Affinity, Bruce... It reads to me like the problem has two components and I'm a little confused about what's what. For starters, you configured Affinity as an external editor in LR, right? Right. Then you invoked Affinity from LR, which makes LR create a TIFF that is opened in Affinity. Hope I'm still on track. Correct. Still on track. :-) Then, when you finished the edit in Affinity, I imagine you saved the TIFF as is. Yup. I save the Affinity-edited version. Here are the things I haven't quite figured out yet... Did the the saved edit of the TIFF then show in LR? If not, could the preview be refreshed to show it? Yes, it appears in the Lr Library as expected. And about the layers... Did Affinity preserve layers in the saved file? No, it doesn't, and that's the essential problem. Affinity cannot create a layered TIFF like Photoshop. It flattens the TIFF so all your intermediate editing steps -- the layers -- are gone forever. As one reviewer pointed out you can save the edited file separately from within Affinity as a proprietary Affinity file but Lightroom can't manage that as an asset, so it can (and will likely) go astray. Jostein the slow learner... That I doubt. :-) Den 4. november 2018 02.54.04 CET, skrev Bruce Walker : No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user. It can't do that. So ... /next/. On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR, why are you using Photoshop to generate files? G On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing the impending release with a big social media and blogging sites campaign and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released shortly. You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop. Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file. You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save. That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a layered TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that with the original for less confusion. If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing is there intact with all layers, meta info, etc. Clear? On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of 2017 and didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I doubt you were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of years ago. I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. I'm not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file in Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ?? But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use Photoshop. G On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself when I tested their final beta a couple of years ago. The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by now. But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it as an external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF, it cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I used it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed layers when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless to me as my
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Godfrey, okay: strike "regular Lightroom user". I really meant "regular Lightroom user who uses Photoshop extensively as an external editor" anyway. But Jostein was looking for a replacement for Photoshop as an external editor for Lightroom, presumably to do more than just add a border. I suggest that as it does not save the full state of the file, Affinity fails to meet that criteria. If flattening the TIFF is not an issue, then Affinity may well be fine for him, and others. And yes, I did indeed decide to stick with using Photoshop in my workflow. I went ahead and upgraded to CC after many years of waiting for somebody to come up with a usable (for me) alternative to Adobe's stuff. On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 1:59 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Bruce, > > Those are *your* requirements: preserving your exact Adobe LR+PS workflow. I > would not presume that that is the expectation of a "regular Lightroom user" > at all. > > I've been using Lightroom since it was Public Beta 2 in 2006. As the years > have gone on, I have discarded using Photoshop entirely—where all the > complexities of layered TIFFs/PSDs, etc, make sense—because I have no need > Photoshops graphics capabilities for my photography. I use Lightroom to do > the raw conversion and finishing work on my photos, with the sole exception > of the little ragged black border that I emplace with Flare 2 or SnapSeed. So > I have absolutely no need of layered TIFFs, etc. > > When I use external editors launched from LR *other* than PS, I'm not looking > to replicate PS features. I'm looking to do something that some other app > does a little better, a little more simply, a little more conveniently. That, > as far as I've seen from teaching LR and PS courses, is far more what the > average LR user does with external editors other than Photoshop. > > Affinity Photo does an excellent job of raw conversion and finishing > comparable to Lightroom's capabilities, and that's what I'd buy it to > replace. The very occasional need I have to edit a document with text and > graphics emplacements, it does that well too. I have no need of a Photoshop > replacement, although for many folks it will suffice for that. What it > doesn't do that LR does so well is simple image management and templated > operations for printing and slide show production. I haven't found tools yet > that do this as well as LR does, so as long as LR 6.14 continues to operate, > I'll be sticking with it. Unless I happen to find something that actually > does these things better. > > If AP doesn't work for you, and you want an exact clone of Photoshop to > support your current workflow, well, just stick with Photoshop. It'll do the > best job. :) > > G > > > On Nov 3, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > > > No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So > > Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a > > layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop > > does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user. > > > > It can't do that. So ... /next/. > > > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > > wrote: > >> > >> That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR, why > >> are you using Photoshop to generate files? > >> > >> G > >> > >> > >>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > >>> > >>> Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing the > >>> impending release with a big social media and blogging sites campaign > >>> and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released > >>> shortly. > >>> > >>> > >>> You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back > >>> into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop. > >>> > >>> Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you > >>> invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it > >>> appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file. > >>> > >>> You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save. > >>> > >>> That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a layered > >>> TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that with > >>> the original for less confusion. > >>> > >>> If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing is > >>> there intact with all layers, meta info, etc. > >>> > >>> Clear? > >>> > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > wrote: > > Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of 2017 and > didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I doubt you > were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of years ago. > > I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. I'm > not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file in > Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ?? > >
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Bruce, Those are *your* requirements: preserving your exact Adobe LR+PS workflow. I would not presume that that is the expectation of a "regular Lightroom user" at all. I've been using Lightroom since it was Public Beta 2 in 2006. As the years have gone on, I have discarded using Photoshop entirely—where all the complexities of layered TIFFs/PSDs, etc, make sense—because I have no need Photoshops graphics capabilities for my photography. I use Lightroom to do the raw conversion and finishing work on my photos, with the sole exception of the little ragged black border that I emplace with Flare 2 or SnapSeed. So I have absolutely no need of layered TIFFs, etc. When I use external editors launched from LR *other* than PS, I'm not looking to replicate PS features. I'm looking to do something that some other app does a little better, a little more simply, a little more conveniently. That, as far as I've seen from teaching LR and PS courses, is far more what the average LR user does with external editors other than Photoshop. Affinity Photo does an excellent job of raw conversion and finishing comparable to Lightroom's capabilities, and that's what I'd buy it to replace. The very occasional need I have to edit a document with text and graphics emplacements, it does that well too. I have no need of a Photoshop replacement, although for many folks it will suffice for that. What it doesn't do that LR does so well is simple image management and templated operations for printing and slide show production. I haven't found tools yet that do this as well as LR does, so as long as LR 6.14 continues to operate, I'll be sticking with it. Unless I happen to find something that actually does these things better. If AP doesn't work for you, and you want an exact clone of Photoshop to support your current workflow, well, just stick with Photoshop. It'll do the best job. :) G > On Nov 3, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So > Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a > layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop > does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user. > > It can't do that. So ... /next/. > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > wrote: >> >> That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR, why are >> you using Photoshop to generate files? >> >> G >> >> >>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> >>> Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing the >>> impending release with a big social media and blogging sites campaign >>> and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released >>> shortly. >>> >>> >>> You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back >>> into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop. >>> >>> Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you >>> invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it >>> appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file. >>> >>> You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save. >>> >>> That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a layered >>> TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that with >>> the original for less confusion. >>> >>> If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing is >>> there intact with all layers, meta info, etc. >>> >>> Clear? >>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of 2017 and didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I doubt you were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of years ago. I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. I'm not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file in Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ?? But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use Photoshop. G > On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's > capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself when > I tested their final beta a couple of years ago. > > The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I > imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by now. > > But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it as an > external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF, it > cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I used > it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed layers > when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless to > me as my
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On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:42 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: > > This saving in Affinity, Bruce... > It reads to me like the problem has two components and I'm a little confused > about what's what. > For starters, you configured Affinity as an external editor in LR, right? Right. > Then you invoked Affinity from LR, which makes LR create a TIFF that is > opened in Affinity. Hope I'm still on track. Correct. Still on track. :-) > Then, when you finished the edit in Affinity, I imagine you saved the TIFF as > is. Yup. I save the Affinity-edited version. > Here are the things I haven't quite figured out yet... > > Did the the saved edit of the TIFF then show in LR? If not, could the preview > be refreshed to show it? Yes, it appears in the Lr Library as expected. > And about the layers... Did Affinity preserve layers in the saved file? No, it doesn't, and that's the essential problem. Affinity cannot create a layered TIFF like Photoshop. It flattens the TIFF so all your intermediate editing steps -- the layers -- are gone forever. As one reviewer pointed out you can save the edited file separately from within Affinity as a proprietary Affinity file but Lightroom can't manage that as an asset, so it can (and will likely) go astray. > Jostein the slow learner... That I doubt. :-) > > Den 4. november 2018 02.54.04 CET, skrev Bruce Walker > : > >No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So > >Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a > >layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop > >does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user. > > > >It can't do that. So ... /next/. > > > >On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > > wrote: > >> > >> That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR, > >why are you using Photoshop to generate files? > >> > >> G > >> > >> > >> > On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker > >wrote: > >> > > >> > Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing > >the > >> > impending release with a big social media and blogging sites > >campaign > >> > and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released > >> > shortly. > >> > > >> > > >> > You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back > >> > into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop. > >> > > >> > Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you > >> > invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it > >> > appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file. > >> > > >> > You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save. > >> > > >> > That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a > >layered > >> > TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that > >with > >> > the original for less confusion. > >> > > >> > If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing > >is > >> > there intact with all layers, meta info, etc. > >> > > >> > Clear? > >> > > >> >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of > >2017 and didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I > >doubt you were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of > >years ago. > >> >> > >> >> I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. > >I'm not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file > >in Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ?? > >> >> > >> >> But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use > >Photoshop. > >> >> > >> >> G > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker > > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's > >> >>> capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself > >when > >> >>> I tested their final beta a couple of years ago. > >> >>> > >> >>> The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I > >> >>> imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by > >now. > >> >>> > >> >>> But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it > >as an > >> >>> external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF, > >it > >> >>> cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I > >used > >> >>> it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed > >layers > >> >>> when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless > >to > >> >>> me as my files often make a few round trips to the external > >editor > >> >>> while I make revisions, or in the case of long retouch, save > >> >>> checkpoints or continue editing later on. > >> >>> > >> >>> This is till the case as far as I can tell from googling. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:31 AM Mark Roberts > >> >>> wrote: > >> > >> Bruce Walker wrote: > >> > >> >> On
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This saving in Affinity, Bruce... It reads to me like the problem has two components and I'm a little confused about what's what. For starters, you configured Affinity as an external editor in LR, right? Then you invoked Affinity from LR, which makes LR create a TIFF that is opened in Affinity. Hope I'm still on track. Then, when you finished the edit in Affinity, I imagine you saved the TIFF as is. Here are the things I haven't quite figured out yet... Did the the saved edit of the TIFF then show in LR? If not, could the preview be refreshed to show it? And about the layers... Did Affinity preserve layers in the saved file? Jostein the slow learner... Den 4. november 2018 02.54.04 CET, skrev Bruce Walker : >No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So >Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a >layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop >does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user. > >It can't do that. So ... /next/. > >On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > wrote: >> >> That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR, >why are you using Photoshop to generate files? >> >> G >> >> >> > On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker >wrote: >> > >> > Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing >the >> > impending release with a big social media and blogging sites >campaign >> > and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released >> > shortly. >> > >> > >> > You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back >> > into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop. >> > >> > Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you >> > invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it >> > appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file. >> > >> > You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save. >> > >> > That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a >layered >> > TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that >with >> > the original for less confusion. >> > >> > If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing >is >> > there intact with all layers, meta info, etc. >> > >> > Clear? >> > >> >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > wrote: >> >> >> >> Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of >2017 and didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I >doubt you were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of >years ago. >> >> >> >> I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. >I'm not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file >in Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ?? >> >> >> >> But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use >Photoshop. >> >> >> >> G >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's >> >>> capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself >when >> >>> I tested their final beta a couple of years ago. >> >>> >> >>> The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I >> >>> imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by >now. >> >>> >> >>> But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it >as an >> >>> external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF, >it >> >>> cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I >used >> >>> it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed >layers >> >>> when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless >to >> >>> me as my files often make a few round trips to the external >editor >> >>> while I make revisions, or in the case of long retouch, save >> >>> checkpoints or continue editing later on. >> >>> >> >>> This is till the case as far as I can tell from googling. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:31 AM Mark Roberts >> >>> wrote: >> >> Bruce Walker wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:03 AM Jostein Øksne > wrote: >> >> >> >> Other developers are improving their products too, so >essentially, if they can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it >for. >> > >> > I can say with assurance that they do not. The majority of >these >> > products are going after the Lightroom market >> >> Affinity Photo is not going after Lightroom, it's definitely a >> Photoshop replacement. I have it and it's *very* good. Probably >a step >> up from Photoshop CS6. >> >> -- >> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia >> www.robertstech.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the
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No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user. It can't do that. So ... /next/. On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR, why are > you using Photoshop to generate files? > > G > > > > On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > > > Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing the > > impending release with a big social media and blogging sites campaign > > and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released > > shortly. > > > > > > You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back > > into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop. > > > > Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you > > invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it > > appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file. > > > > You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save. > > > > That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a layered > > TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that with > > the original for less confusion. > > > > If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing is > > there intact with all layers, meta info, etc. > > > > Clear? > > > >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > >> wrote: > >> > >> Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of 2017 and > >> didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I doubt you > >> were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of years ago. > >> > >> I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. I'm not > >> entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file in > >> Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ?? > >> > >> But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use Photoshop. > >> > >> G > >> > >> > >>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's > >>> capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself when > >>> I tested their final beta a couple of years ago. > >>> > >>> The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I > >>> imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by now. > >>> > >>> But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it as an > >>> external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF, it > >>> cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I used > >>> it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed layers > >>> when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless to > >>> me as my files often make a few round trips to the external editor > >>> while I make revisions, or in the case of long retouch, save > >>> checkpoints or continue editing later on. > >>> > >>> This is till the case as far as I can tell from googling. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:31 AM Mark Roberts > >>> wrote: > > Bruce Walker wrote: > > >> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:03 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: > >> > >> Other developers are improving their products too, so essentially, if > >> they can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it for. > > > > I can say with assurance that they do not. The majority of these > > products are going after the Lightroom market > > Affinity Photo is not going after Lightroom, it's definitely a > Photoshop replacement. I have it and it's *very* good. Probably a step > up from Photoshop CS6. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> -bmw > >>> > >>> -- > >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>> PDML@pdml.net > >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >>> follow the directions. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >> follow the directions. > > > > > > > > -- > > -bmw > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > -- > PDML
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That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR, why are you using Photoshop to generate files? G > On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing the > impending release with a big social media and blogging sites campaign > and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released > shortly. > > > You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back > into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop. > > Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you > invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it > appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file. > > You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save. > > That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a layered > TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that with > the original for less confusion. > > If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing is > there intact with all layers, meta info, etc. > > Clear? > >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi >> wrote: >> >> Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of 2017 and >> didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I doubt you were >> working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of years ago. >> >> I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. I'm not >> entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file in Lightroom >> to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ?? >> >> But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use Photoshop. >> >> G >> >> >>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> >>> I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's >>> capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself when >>> I tested their final beta a couple of years ago. >>> >>> The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I >>> imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by now. >>> >>> But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it as an >>> external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF, it >>> cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I used >>> it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed layers >>> when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless to >>> me as my files often make a few round trips to the external editor >>> while I make revisions, or in the case of long retouch, save >>> checkpoints or continue editing later on. >>> >>> This is till the case as far as I can tell from googling. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:31 AM Mark Roberts >>> wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:03 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: >> >> Other developers are improving their products too, so essentially, if >> they can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it for. > > I can say with assurance that they do not. The majority of these > products are going after the Lightroom market Affinity Photo is not going after Lightroom, it's definitely a Photoshop replacement. I have it and it's *very* good. Probably a step up from Photoshop CS6. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -bmw >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nuts to Adobe
Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing the impending release with a big social media and blogging sites campaign and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released shortly. You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop. Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file. You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save. That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a layered TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that with the original for less confusion. If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing is there intact with all layers, meta info, etc. Clear? On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of 2017 and > didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I doubt you were > working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of years ago. > > I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. I'm not > entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file in Lightroom > to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ?? > > But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use Photoshop. > > G > > > > On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > > > I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's > > capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself when > > I tested their final beta a couple of years ago. > > > > The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I > > imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by now. > > > > But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it as an > > external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF, it > > cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I used > > it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed layers > > when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless to > > me as my files often make a few round trips to the external editor > > while I make revisions, or in the case of long retouch, save > > checkpoints or continue editing later on. > > > > This is till the case as far as I can tell from googling. > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:31 AM Mark Roberts > > wrote: > >> > >> Bruce Walker wrote: > >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:03 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: > > Other developers are improving their products too, so essentially, if > they can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it for. > >>> > >>> I can say with assurance that they do not. The majority of these > >>> products are going after the Lightroom market > >> > >> Affinity Photo is not going after Lightroom, it's definitely a > >> Photoshop replacement. I have it and it's *very* good. Probably a step > >> up from Photoshop CS6. > >> > >> -- > >> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > >> www.robertstech.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >> follow the directions. > > > > > > > > -- > > -bmw > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nuts to Adobe
Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of 2017 and didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I doubt you were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of years ago. I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. I'm not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file in Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ?? But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use Photoshop. G > On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's > capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself when > I tested their final beta a couple of years ago. > > The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I > imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by now. > > But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it as an > external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF, it > cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I used > it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed layers > when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless to > me as my files often make a few round trips to the external editor > while I make revisions, or in the case of long retouch, save > checkpoints or continue editing later on. > > This is till the case as far as I can tell from googling. > > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:31 AM Mark Roberts > wrote: >> >> Bruce Walker wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:03 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: Other developers are improving their products too, so essentially, if they can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it for. >>> >>> I can say with assurance that they do not. The majority of these >>> products are going after the Lightroom market >> >> Affinity Photo is not going after Lightroom, it's definitely a >> Photoshop replacement. I have it and it's *very* good. Probably a step >> up from Photoshop CS6. >> >> -- >> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia >> www.robertstech.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself when I tested their final beta a couple of years ago. The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by now. But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it as an external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF, it cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I used it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed layers when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless to me as my files often make a few round trips to the external editor while I make revisions, or in the case of long retouch, save checkpoints or continue editing later on. This is till the case as far as I can tell from googling. On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:31 AM Mark Roberts wrote: > > Bruce Walker wrote: > > >On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:03 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: > >> > >> Other developers are improving their products too, so essentially, if they > >> can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it for. > > > >I can say with assurance that they do not. The majority of these > >products are going after the Lightroom market > > Affinity Photo is not going after Lightroom, it's definitely a > Photoshop replacement. I have it and it's *very* good. Probably a step > up from Photoshop CS6. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've had Affinity Photo on my iPad Pro for a year or so, only started using it recently. It's quite a good raw converter and, overall, a good replacement for the Photoshop clan of image manipulation tools. The iOS version has some image management capabilities, but it's no competition for Lightroom in that sphere. The UI is a little busy for the iPad (the SnapSeed UI is much more user friendly, for instance) but it works well. I binned Photoshop CS5.1 on my desktop Mac mini when I upgraded to macOS Mojave, so purchased Affinity Photo for macOS as well. Here the UI works better and the tools seem more natural. I did some comparisons between LR 6.14 and Affinity Photo raw output, at the defaults, using raw files from the Leica CL, M-D, and SL. All the LR renderings were using the Adobe Standard ccp for the specific camera, and the first image was an exposure test target and an Xrite Color Checker. The image files were about as close to identical as I've ever seen out of two different raw converters with respect to color rendering. Second image was a continuous tone landscape image with some significant contrast, but lots of details both near the highlight and dark point thresholds. Very close on the defaults again, but here I think Affinity Photo has very slightly better sharpness and tonal separation. Of course, I'm still a novice at AP use, and I'm reasonably proficient with LR use. And I didn't want to prejudice the case in either direction by trying to see what replicating some of my more pathological LR edits might be with AP at this point. But overall, I'm pretty happy that it's a very usable app on both iPad and Mac, and can easily do more than I need to replace Photoshop entirely. I haven't used PS very much for years, and I did find the AP UI much easier to pick up and learn new (once a couple of key concepts were gathered) than trying to remember how PS worked. For LR's image management, and the way I can create templates for printing, etc, I haven't found anything inexpensive that does as good a job yet. But I haven't really looked that hard just yet either. G — "Simplify, simplify, simplify.” ~ Henry David Thoreau "One 'simplify' would have sufficed." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson > On Oct 26, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Jostein wrote: > > After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has kept nagging > me for its license key every time I open the program. All online suggestions > for fixing have been tried to no avail. > > So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and the UI > does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC subscription is > not an option. > > Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? > - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) > > Jostein > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What about the plugins? Do Nik filters work with Affinity Photo? Yes. (At least the previous versions do.) -- The Office Gallery - Scenic and Landscape Photography by Steve Sharpe 24 Maple Avenue Ellershouse NS B0N 1L0 d...@eastlink.ca http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 07:35:20PM +0200, Toine wrote: > If you run Win10 on high dpi displays: Right click on the program icon and > select properties > Compatibility and last Change high DPI settings. Try > all combo's and one of them should result in a larger GUI in photoshop It probably won't. Adobe don't use most of the Windows infrastructure for their products - they do almost everything themselves directly into the framebuffer using low-level graphics primitives. That's why I switched to Photoshop Elements 15 (and Acrobat Reader DC) when I got a 4K notebook - while almost everything else displayed readable text when the primary display was set to 200% scaling, older Adobe products (Elements 13, Adobe Reader XI) insisted on drawing GUI text at an unreadably small size. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/27/2018 05:03, J.C. O'Connell wrote: I dont know about CS6, Im still using CS2 which adobe offered totally free for a while on their website as a legacy solution. jco I got a free upgrade to "CS2" from Adobe, but only because I bought the shrink-wrap version of "CS" a week before "CS2" came on the market. As far as I can tell, it's the last time Adobe decided to "do the right thing" by their users. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/27/2018 11:30, Mark Roberts wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:03 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: Other developers are improving their products too, so essentially, if they can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it for. I can say with assurance that they do not. The majority of these products are going after the Lightroom market Affinity Photo is not going after Lightroom, it's definitely a Photoshop replacement. I have it and it's *very* good. Probably a step up from Photoshop CS6. What about the plugins? Do Nik filters work with Affinity Photo? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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CS6 has a problem? Or the latest version of OS X has a problem with CS6? If it's the latter, I expect it will eventually get fixed. Apple, for all their faults, does occasionally listen to their users. Rarely maybe, but it does happen. I'm still using CS6 with no problems, but I'm a Windoze guy. I was one of those "upgrade every odd numbered version" users. I was on CS5 when CC was announced and felt I needed to move up to the latest version JUST IN CASE. It was particularly painful because I wasn't able to find a plain vanilla CS6 upgrade at the time and had to upgrade to the Extended Edition. The upgrade price for that (from plain vanilla CS5) was as much as I originally paid for Photoshop CS. My one foray into Lightroom was a disaster. Aside from the installation SNAFU, I never could get it to put the photos where I wanted them (on my dedicated PHOTO hard-drive in folders MMDD-Job_Name). Bridge does that with no fuss. Still don't want to rent Photoshop, so I'm sticking with CS6 for as long as I can. On 10/27/2018 07:22, Paul Stenquist wrote: I will eventually subscribe to CC although CS6 is still working for me. However, I’ve read that it has problems with the latest version of OSX. So I will eventually be left behind if I don’t upgrade Paul On Oct 27, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote: LOL... I'd like to think that I'm more prone to pragmatism than to curmudgeonry, but well... :-) Aside from bitching, my reasoning is that if I need to upgrade, I might as well consider the competition. The price for Photoshop has always been a bit steep for the way I use it. I made my last upgrade while doing some university courses and got the educational discount but with the subscription I can't get away with anything like that. Other developers are improving their products too, so essentially, if they can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it for. The new features you mention are nice, of course, but not really on my must-have list. :-) Jostein Den 27. oktober 2018 11.22.37 CEST, skrev Bruce Walker : Jostein, I just have to say it: the best advanced editor available is Photoshop. After recent Mac OS X updates started to erode my CS5 enough to be troublesome, I finally gave in and subscribed to CC. It has been, for me, worthwhile. Lightroom integrates better with Ps, both are speedier, and Ps has seen some feature additions that are extremely useful and powerful for me. Time saved in retouching; more convincing and accurate editing -- especially in the area of selections -- and much better handling of huge 645Z files, for example. The Content Aware healing brush is magical. I was one of the last holdouts. My copy of CS5 and my old Lightroom owed me nothing. I strongly dislike the subscription model still, but I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. Being a self-righteous dogmatic curmudgeon has its downsides. On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:12 AM Jostein wrote: Thanks P.J. The only reason that keeps me from playing with editors like RawTherapee, DxO, C1 (or Corel AfterShot, for that matter), is that they are not good DAMs. The true strength of Lightroom is exactly that. It combines good archiving, basic raw file editing, and good integration with specialist editors like Zerene Stacker for macro, Photomatix for HDR and Autopano for mosaics. It also supports management of images published to social media and my own website. The only piece in the puzzle that has fallen out is the _advanced_ image editing option. That's what I need a Photoshop replacement for. Jostein Den 27.10.2018 02:52, skrev P. J. Alling: Look into RawTherapee it does a nice job, and it's Free, well they ask for a donation, but it's essentially free. I did manage to crash it, but it does make nice renders. It also seems to support every current Camera. I'm not using it, but it's become my current backup if DxO Mark pisses me off as much as Adobe has. On 10/26/2018 4:43 PM, Jostein wrote: After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has kept nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All online suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and the UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC subscription is not an option. Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) Jostein -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you run Win10 on high dpi displays: Right click on the program icon and select properties > Compatibility and last Change high DPI settings. Try all combo's and one of them should result in a larger GUI in photoshop On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 15:41, Jostein wrote: > So I bit the bullet and reinstalled Windows from a clean and scrubbed > drive. > > Lo and behold, all Adobe license numbers stick, and Lightroom runs > smoothly with the original database. > > There's still the issue of the ageing GUI of Photoshop CS6, but now at > least I have time to reflect and perhaps test the other candidates with > low shoulders and no pressure. > > Thanks to all for their input. Food for thought. > > Jostein > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bruce Walker wrote: >On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:03 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: >> >> Other developers are improving their products too, so essentially, if they >> can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it for. > >I can say with assurance that they do not. The majority of these >products are going after the Lightroom market Affinity Photo is not going after Lightroom, it's definitely a Photoshop replacement. I have it and it's *very* good. Probably a step up from Photoshop CS6. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:03 AM Jostein Øksne wrote: > > Other developers are improving their products too, so essentially, if they > can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it for. I can say with assurance that they do not. The majority of these products are going after the Lightroom market, many with the addition (illusion) of layers. You will not find the rich feature set and general image processing capabilities of even Ps CS2 in them. And if you have any plugins, like Nik, they won't work. Little finesses like "flow" for brushes is missing from the only app I know that manages to clone many (though not even 25% of) Photoshop's features: The Gimp. I searched for and tested a lot of software after Adobe went subscription with the goal of replacing Lr and Ps. I gave up. I need the power of both of them. If you don't then I suggest trying The Gimp as it's free, multi-platform, and quite powerful. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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what happened to me was I bought a copy of PS 6.0 nos and when I tried to activate it the adobe server was no longer available for it and they offered CS2 for free on their website as a solution. jco On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 07:08:21 -0400, Jostein Øksne wrote: Thanks for that, JCO, I have licenses for both CS4 and 6, so hopefully I don't need to regress that far. Jostein Den 27. oktober 2018 11.03.15 CEST, skrev "J.C. O'Connell" : I dont know about CS6, Im still using CS2 which adobe offered totally free for a while on their website as a legacy solution. jco On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 21:21:55 -0400, John wrote: On 10/26/2018 16:43, Jostein wrote: After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has kept nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All online suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and the UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC subscription is not an option. Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) Jostein If you activated CS6 when you originally installed it you should be able to find your product key in your Adobe "Account". I went through that my failed attempt to install the Windoze10 "upgrade" on my Photoshop computer & discovered that the Microsoft Windoze backup I made wouldn't restore. I ended up having to reinstall software from disk. Fortunately I had the disks. IIRC, I had to go on to Adobe's site to "deactivate" one instance of Photoshop on my computer before I could activate it on the same computer even though I was attempting to install it on the same computer it had already been installed on. It wouldn't let me enter my license key as long as it thought it was already installed on two computers. When I later switched over to SSD's it migrated with no hassle. Go figure. I've used Corel Paintshop Pro and found their licensing arrangements to be even less congenial than Adobe's. -- J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 27.10.18 um 13:22 schrieb Paul Stenquist: I will eventually subscribe to CC although CS6 is still working for me. However, I’ve read that it has problems with the latest version of OSX. So I will eventually be left behind if I don’t upgrade I'm admittedly more than a little fed up with this eternal treadmill of software, OS and hardware updates. Just bought another Macbook Pro because Apple had decided the old one wasn't good enough for Sierra. Yesterday, I had to find out that the app for controlling my new audio recorder would require an iOS update that Apple won't let me have for my current iPad. Enough already! In the 1970's, the German political left coined the term "Konsumterror" for the permanent pressure to consume in a capitalist society. Little did they know... I for one won't be buying into any of Adobe's CC stuff. Instead it might at last give me a good reason to get rid of Adobe/Apple altogether and switch to Linux. Am I sounding frustrated? Well, maybe I am. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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MARK! On 10/27/2018 5:22 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Being a self-righteous dogmatic curmudgeon has its downsides. -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I will eventually subscribe to CC although CS6 is still working for me. However, I’ve read that it has problems with the latest version of OSX. So I will eventually be left behind if I don’t upgrade Paul > On Oct 27, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote: > > LOL... > I'd like to think that I'm more prone to pragmatism than to curmudgeonry, but > well... :-) > Aside from bitching, my reasoning is that if I need to upgrade, I might as > well consider the competition. The price for Photoshop has always been a bit > steep for the way I use it. I made my last upgrade while doing some > university courses and got the educational discount but with the subscription > I can't get away with anything like that. > Other developers are improving their products too, so essentially, if they > can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it for. > The new features you mention are nice, of course, but not really on my > must-have list. :-) > Jostein > > > > Den 27. oktober 2018 11.22.37 CEST, skrev Bruce Walker > : >> Jostein, I just have to say it: the best advanced editor available is >> Photoshop. >> >> After recent Mac OS X updates started to erode my CS5 enough to be >> troublesome, I finally gave in and subscribed to CC. It has been, for >> me, >> worthwhile. Lightroom integrates better with Ps, both are speedier, and >> Ps >> has seen some feature additions that are extremely useful and powerful >> for >> me. Time saved in retouching; more convincing and accurate editing -- >> especially in the area of selections -- and much better handling of >> huge >> 645Z files, for example. The Content Aware healing brush is magical. >> >> I was one of the last holdouts. My copy of CS5 and my old Lightroom >> owed me >> nothing. I strongly dislike the subscription model still, but I'm not >> going >> to cut off my nose to spite my face. Being a self-righteous dogmatic >> curmudgeon has its downsides. >> >> >>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:12 AM Jostein wrote: >>> >>> Thanks P.J. >>> The only reason that keeps me from playing with editors like >>> RawTherapee, DxO, C1 (or Corel AfterShot, for that matter), is that >> they >>> are not good DAMs. The true strength of Lightroom is exactly that. It >>> combines good archiving, basic raw file editing, and good integration >>> with specialist editors like Zerene Stacker for macro, Photomatix for >>> HDR and Autopano for mosaics. It also supports management of images >>> published to social media and my own website. >>> >>> The only piece in the puzzle that has fallen out is the _advanced_ >> image >>> editing option. That's what I need a Photoshop replacement for. >>> >>> Jostein >>> >>> Den 27.10.2018 02:52, skrev P. J. Alling: Look into RawTherapee it does a nice job, and it's Free, well they >> ask for a donation, but it's essentially free. I did manage to crash >> it, but it does make nice renders. It also seems to support every >> current Camera. I'm not using it, but it's become my current backup if DxO >> Mark pisses me off as much as Adobe has. > On 10/26/2018 4:43 PM, Jostein wrote: > After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has >> kept > nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All > online suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. > > So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and >> the > UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC > subscription is not an option. > > Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? > - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) > > Jostein > >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> and >>> follow the directions. >>> > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks for that, JCO, I have licenses for both CS4 and 6, so hopefully I don't need to regress that far. Jostein Den 27. oktober 2018 11.03.15 CEST, skrev "J.C. O'Connell" : >I dont know about CS6, Im still using CS2 which adobe offered totally > >free for a while >on their website as a legacy solution. >jco > > > >On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 21:21:55 -0400, John wrote: > >> On 10/26/2018 16:43, Jostein wrote: >>> After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has >kept >>> nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All >>> online suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. >>> So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and >the >>> UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC >>> subscription is not an option. >>> Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? >>> - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) >>> Jostein >>> >> >> If you activated CS6 when you originally installed it you should be >able >> to find your product key in your Adobe "Account". >> >> I went through that my failed attempt to install the Windoze10 >"upgrade" >> on my Photoshop computer & discovered that the Microsoft Windoze >backup >> I made wouldn't restore. I ended up having to reinstall software from > >> disk. >> >> Fortunately I had the disks. >> >> IIRC, I had to go on to Adobe's site to "deactivate" one instance of > >> Photoshop on my computer before I could activate it on the same >computer >> even though I was attempting to install it on the same computer it >had >> already been installed on. >> >> It wouldn't let me enter my license key as long as it thought it was > >> already installed on two computers. >> >> When I later switched over to SSD's it migrated with no hassle. Go >> figure. >> >> I've used Corel Paintshop Pro and found their licensing arrangements >to >> be even less congenial than Adobe's. >> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LOL... I'd like to think that I'm more prone to pragmatism than to curmudgeonry, but well... :-) Aside from bitching, my reasoning is that if I need to upgrade, I might as well consider the competition. The price for Photoshop has always been a bit steep for the way I use it. I made my last upgrade while doing some university courses and got the educational discount but with the subscription I can't get away with anything like that. Other developers are improving their products too, so essentially, if they can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it for. The new features you mention are nice, of course, but not really on my must-have list. :-) Jostein Den 27. oktober 2018 11.22.37 CEST, skrev Bruce Walker : >Jostein, I just have to say it: the best advanced editor available is >Photoshop. > >After recent Mac OS X updates started to erode my CS5 enough to be >troublesome, I finally gave in and subscribed to CC. It has been, for >me, >worthwhile. Lightroom integrates better with Ps, both are speedier, and >Ps >has seen some feature additions that are extremely useful and powerful >for >me. Time saved in retouching; more convincing and accurate editing -- >especially in the area of selections -- and much better handling of >huge >645Z files, for example. The Content Aware healing brush is magical. > >I was one of the last holdouts. My copy of CS5 and my old Lightroom >owed me >nothing. I strongly dislike the subscription model still, but I'm not >going >to cut off my nose to spite my face. Being a self-righteous dogmatic >curmudgeon has its downsides. > > >On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:12 AM Jostein wrote: > >> Thanks P.J. >> The only reason that keeps me from playing with editors like >> RawTherapee, DxO, C1 (or Corel AfterShot, for that matter), is that >they >> are not good DAMs. The true strength of Lightroom is exactly that. It >> combines good archiving, basic raw file editing, and good integration >> with specialist editors like Zerene Stacker for macro, Photomatix for >> HDR and Autopano for mosaics. It also supports management of images >> published to social media and my own website. >> >> The only piece in the puzzle that has fallen out is the _advanced_ >image >> editing option. That's what I need a Photoshop replacement for. >> >> Jostein >> >> Den 27.10.2018 02:52, skrev P. J. Alling: >> > Look into RawTherapee it does a nice job, and it's Free, well they >ask >> > for a donation, but it's essentially free. I did manage to crash >it, >> > but it does make nice renders. It also seems to support every >current >> > Camera. I'm not using it, but it's become my current backup if DxO >Mark >> > pisses me off as much as Adobe has. >> > >> > >> > On 10/26/2018 4:43 PM, Jostein wrote: >> >> After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has >kept >> >> nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All >> >> online suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. >> >> >> >> So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and >the >> >> UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC >> >> subscription is not an option. >> >> >> >> Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? >> >> - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) >> >> >> >> Jostein >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and >> follow the directions. >> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jostein, I just have to say it: the best advanced editor available is Photoshop. After recent Mac OS X updates started to erode my CS5 enough to be troublesome, I finally gave in and subscribed to CC. It has been, for me, worthwhile. Lightroom integrates better with Ps, both are speedier, and Ps has seen some feature additions that are extremely useful and powerful for me. Time saved in retouching; more convincing and accurate editing -- especially in the area of selections -- and much better handling of huge 645Z files, for example. The Content Aware healing brush is magical. I was one of the last holdouts. My copy of CS5 and my old Lightroom owed me nothing. I strongly dislike the subscription model still, but I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. Being a self-righteous dogmatic curmudgeon has its downsides. On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:12 AM Jostein wrote: > Thanks P.J. > The only reason that keeps me from playing with editors like > RawTherapee, DxO, C1 (or Corel AfterShot, for that matter), is that they > are not good DAMs. The true strength of Lightroom is exactly that. It > combines good archiving, basic raw file editing, and good integration > with specialist editors like Zerene Stacker for macro, Photomatix for > HDR and Autopano for mosaics. It also supports management of images > published to social media and my own website. > > The only piece in the puzzle that has fallen out is the _advanced_ image > editing option. That's what I need a Photoshop replacement for. > > Jostein > > Den 27.10.2018 02:52, skrev P. J. Alling: > > Look into RawTherapee it does a nice job, and it's Free, well they ask > > for a donation, but it's essentially free. I did manage to crash it, > > but it does make nice renders. It also seems to support every current > > Camera. I'm not using it, but it's become my current backup if DxO Mark > > pisses me off as much as Adobe has. > > > > > > On 10/26/2018 4:43 PM, Jostein wrote: > >> After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has kept > >> nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All > >> online suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. > >> > >> So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and the > >> UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC > >> subscription is not an option. > >> > >> Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? > >> - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) > >> > >> Jostein > >> > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks P.J. The only reason that keeps me from playing with editors like RawTherapee, DxO, C1 (or Corel AfterShot, for that matter), is that they are not good DAMs. The true strength of Lightroom is exactly that. It combines good archiving, basic raw file editing, and good integration with specialist editors like Zerene Stacker for macro, Photomatix for HDR and Autopano for mosaics. It also supports management of images published to social media and my own website. The only piece in the puzzle that has fallen out is the _advanced_ image editing option. That's what I need a Photoshop replacement for. Jostein Den 27.10.2018 02:52, skrev P. J. Alling: Look into RawTherapee it does a nice job, and it's Free, well they ask for a donation, but it's essentially free. I did manage to crash it, but it does make nice renders. It also seems to support every current Camera. I'm not using it, but it's become my current backup if DxO Mark pisses me off as much as Adobe has. On 10/26/2018 4:43 PM, Jostein wrote: After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has kept nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All online suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and the UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC subscription is not an option. Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I dont know about CS6, Im still using CS2 which adobe offered totally free for a while on their website as a legacy solution. jco On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 21:21:55 -0400, John wrote: On 10/26/2018 16:43, Jostein wrote: After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has kept nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All online suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and the UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC subscription is not an option. Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) Jostein If you activated CS6 when you originally installed it you should be able to find your product key in your Adobe "Account". I went through that my failed attempt to install the Windoze10 "upgrade" on my Photoshop computer & discovered that the Microsoft Windoze backup I made wouldn't restore. I ended up having to reinstall software from disk. Fortunately I had the disks. IIRC, I had to go on to Adobe's site to "deactivate" one instance of Photoshop on my computer before I could activate it on the same computer even though I was attempting to install it on the same computer it had already been installed on. It wouldn't let me enter my license key as long as it thought it was already installed on two computers. When I later switched over to SSD's it migrated with no hassle. Go figure. I've used Corel Paintshop Pro and found their licensing arrangements to be even less congenial than Adobe's. -- J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's not deactivation that is the problem. The problem is that the activation does not stick. When I look in the Windows Registry, I see that the hard drive migration has generated an orphaned SID structure, which may be where the problem is. If my suspicion is right, the License key activation is cemented into that part of the registry, which is now robbed of its administrative rights, and thus can't validate properly. I am going to try a full reinstall of my Windows system, which probably is a good idea anyway for unrelated reasons. However if that fixes the problem, PS CS6 is still cumbersome to use on modern screens because the menu text and icons are tiny. Thanks for the warning on Corel licensing... Jostein Den 27.10.2018 03:21, skrev John: On 10/26/2018 16:43, Jostein wrote: After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has kept nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All online suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and the UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC subscription is not an option. Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) Jostein If you activated CS6 when you originally installed it you should be able to find your product key in your Adobe "Account". I went through that my failed attempt to install the Windoze10 "upgrade" on my Photoshop computer & discovered that the Microsoft Windoze backup I made wouldn't restore. I ended up having to reinstall software from disk. Fortunately I had the disks. IIRC, I had to go on to Adobe's site to "deactivate" one instance of Photoshop on my computer before I could activate it on the same computer even though I was attempting to install it on the same computer it had already been installed on. It wouldn't let me enter my license key as long as it thought it was already installed on two computers. When I later switched over to SSD's it migrated with no hassle. Go figure. I've used Corel Paintshop Pro and found their licensing arrangements to be even less congenial than Adobe's. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/26/2018 16:43, Jostein wrote: After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has kept nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All online suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and the UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC subscription is not an option. Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) Jostein If you activated CS6 when you originally installed it you should be able to find your product key in your Adobe "Account". I went through that my failed attempt to install the Windoze10 "upgrade" on my Photoshop computer & discovered that the Microsoft Windoze backup I made wouldn't restore. I ended up having to reinstall software from disk. Fortunately I had the disks. IIRC, I had to go on to Adobe's site to "deactivate" one instance of Photoshop on my computer before I could activate it on the same computer even though I was attempting to install it on the same computer it had already been installed on. It wouldn't let me enter my license key as long as it thought it was already installed on two computers. When I later switched over to SSD's it migrated with no hassle. Go figure. I've used Corel Paintshop Pro and found their licensing arrangements to be even less congenial than Adobe's. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Look into RawTherapee it does a nice job, and it's Free, well they ask for a donation, but it's essentially free. I did manage to crash it, but it does make nice renders. It also seems to support every current Camera. I'm not using it, but it's become my current backup if DxO Mark pisses me off as much as Adobe has. On 10/26/2018 4:43 PM, Jostein wrote: After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has kept nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All online suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and the UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC subscription is not an option. Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) Jostein -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> > Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? > - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) I switched to Affinity from Elements about a year ago. I got tired of having to switch my images to 8 bit for Elements to process and losing all that information. It seems to be a very capable programme...with far more features than I use. The only quirk I have yet encountered is that it frequently asks you to save your image when you close or quit...even if you just saved it. I know, it's a feature, not a bug. --- Steven Sharpe - The Office Gallery d...@eastlink.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I plan to stick with Lightroom 6.14 for a while yet. It's Photoshop I want to replace. Jostein Den 26.10.2018 23:37, skrev Paul Sorenson: You might give On1 PhotoRAW a look. Like Lightroom, its processing engine is non-destructive and, unlike Adobe, the company is very customer-centric. The latest version is due to be available some time in November and will include focus stacking and the layers module will retain all the layers as RAW files rather than converting to PSDs. I still have LR6 on my computer but haven't used it in at least 8 months - all post processing in the On1 software. https://www.on1.com/ -p On 10/26/2018 3:43 PM, Jostein wrote: After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has kept nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All online suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and the UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC subscription is not an option. Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You might give On1 PhotoRAW a look. Like Lightroom, its processing engine is non-destructive and, unlike Adobe, the company is very customer-centric. The latest version is due to be available some time in November and will include focus stacking and the layers module will retain all the layers as RAW files rather than converting to PSDs. I still have LR6 on my computer but haven't used it in at least 8 months - all post processing in the On1 software. https://www.on1.com/ -p On 10/26/2018 3:43 PM, Jostein wrote: After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has kept nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All online suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and the UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC subscription is not an option. Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) Jostein -- Paul Sorenson Studio1941 Sooner or later "different" scares people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 26 October 2018 at 21:43 Jostein wrote: > > > After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has kept > nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All online > suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. > > So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and the > UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC > subscription is not an option. > > Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? > - I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) No matter what the technical shortcomings are of alternatives, they are infinitely better than enduring Adobe's appalling installation manners and perpetual attempts to extract monies for being merely in proximity to one of its products. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At 04:43 PM 10/26/2018, Jostein wrote: >Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? I have been using Paintshop Pro for about 25 years, ever since it was a JASC product. I am still using Corel PSP Photo XI as my primary image editor. It is getting a bit long in the tooth but runs well under Win7 64 bit. Dale H. Cook, many years as 35mm SLR photographer, now Pentax K-70 w/ Pentax-DA 18-270mm walking- around lens or SMC Pentax-A 50mm/f2 lens -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jostein wrote: >After a harddrive replacement a good year ago, Photoshop CS6 has kept >nagging me for its license key every time I open the program. All online >suggestions for fixing have been tried to no avail. > >So, now I'm thinking it's time to move on. CS6 is getting old, and the >UI does not scale well on larger screen resolutions. But a CC >subscription is not an option. > >Anyone on the list using Corel Paintshop Pro or Affinity Photo? >- I'd love to hear your experiences. :-) I've been using Affinity Pro. The interface obviously takes some getting used to - the massive inertia of Adobe's installed user base is probably its biggest asset these days - but the software as a whole is very good. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
