Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-30 Thread Larry Colen



Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Mark Roberts
wrote:


Does the CD
player or cassette part of this thing show the same symptoms?



I'm surprised that some besides Ann and I still remember what a "cassette
recorder" is.


It's pretty old, perhaps the tubes need time to warm up.




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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread ann sanfedele

Don't need one now that Mark and PJ figured out the problem ...

So in a way, even though there are no tubes - it does need warming up to 
run ! :-)


ann


On 7/29/2016 8:43 PM, John wrote:

mike wilson wrote:

If you can find a decent repair shop, it may be repairable for less than
the price of a replacement.


Aye, there's the rub; finding an actual "decent repair shop"!


On 7/29/2016 4:37 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 29 July 2016 at 20:36 ann sanfedele  wrote:


Mark -
The" power supply" is an outlet in my wall - is that what you mean?


The wall outlet is your power source.  Inside the player is a bunch of
electronic gubbins that takes that power and divvies it out to the 
various
motors, amplifiers and radio curcuits.  That is the power supply that 
Mark
refers to.  There are a number of (probably) simple issues that would 
cause your
signs.  If you can find a decent repair shop, it may be repairable 
for less than

the price of a replacement.

Kits for fixing the Emerson TV power supplies are about $25
https://www.amazon.com/Emerson-A17F7MPW-001-Supply-Component-LC320EM2/dp/B00DJ7OUHU 



Yes, the same thing happened, in effect - with the tape and cd 
player...
it wouldnt come on ... and actually the cd player suddenly started 
playing

when I just left the cd I had in it sit..   and the tape player worked
and then didn't...

I'm dumb about these things...

ann

On 7/29/2016 12:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:
this is what I have

http://www.aztekcomputers.com/PD6548SL-EMERSON-794250.html?source=googleps&gclid=CMn8qp7zmM4CFUkkhgodE48MIQ 



This is what it does now. I turn on the radio and get silence...
thinking I turned it off a walk away and quite a while later the radio
comes on.
...snip
anyone know what is going on here? I remember years ago things 
needed to

warm up before playing... but it didn't take 30 minutes.
Probably a dodgy voltage regulator in the power supply. Does the CD
player or cassette part of this thing show the same symptoms?








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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
Working units sell for about $15 on eBay. Not worth repairing.

Paul via phone

> On Jul 29, 2016, at 8:43 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
>> If you can find a decent repair shop, it may be repairable for less than
>> the price of a replacement.
> 
> Aye, there's the rub; finding an actual "decent repair shop"!
> 
> 
> On 7/29/2016 4:37 PM, mike wilson wrote:
>>> On 29 July 2016 at 20:36 ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark -
>>> The" power supply" is an outlet in my wall - is that what you mean?
>> 
>> The wall outlet is your power source.  Inside the player is a bunch of
>> electronic gubbins that takes that power and divvies it out to the various
>> motors, amplifiers and radio curcuits.  That is the power supply that Mark
>> refers to.  There are a number of (probably) simple issues that would cause 
>> your
>> signs.  If you can find a decent repair shop, it may be repairable for less 
>> than
>> the price of a replacement.
>> 
>> Kits for fixing the Emerson TV power supplies are about $25
>> https://www.amazon.com/Emerson-A17F7MPW-001-Supply-Component-LC320EM2/dp/B00DJ7OUHU
>> 
>>> Yes, the same thing happened, in effect - with the tape and cd player...
>>> it wouldnt come on ... and actually the cd player suddenly started playing
>>> when I just left the cd I had in it sit..   and the tape player worked
>>> and then didn't...
>>> 
>>> I'm dumb about these things...
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
 On 7/29/2016 12:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 ann sanfedele wrote:
 this is what I have
 
 http://www.aztekcomputers.com/PD6548SL-EMERSON-794250.html?source=googleps&gclid=CMn8qp7zmM4CFUkkhgodE48MIQ
 
 This is what it does now. I turn on the radio and get silence...
 thinking I turned it off a walk away and quite a while later the radio
 comes on.
 ...snip
 anyone know what is going on here? I remember years ago things needed to
 warm up before playing... but it didn't take 30 minutes.
 Probably a dodgy voltage regulator in the power supply. Does the CD
 player or cassette part of this thing show the same symptoms?
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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread John

mike wilson wrote:

If you can find a decent repair shop, it may be repairable for less than
the price of a replacement.


Aye, there's the rub; finding an actual "decent repair shop"!


On 7/29/2016 4:37 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 29 July 2016 at 20:36 ann sanfedele  wrote:


Mark -
The" power supply" is an outlet in my wall - is that what you mean?


The wall outlet is your power source.  Inside the player is a bunch of
electronic gubbins that takes that power and divvies it out to the various
motors, amplifiers and radio curcuits.  That is the power supply that Mark
refers to.  There are a number of (probably) simple issues that would cause your
signs.  If you can find a decent repair shop, it may be repairable for less than
the price of a replacement.

Kits for fixing the Emerson TV power supplies are about $25
https://www.amazon.com/Emerson-A17F7MPW-001-Supply-Component-LC320EM2/dp/B00DJ7OUHU


Yes, the same thing happened, in effect - with the tape and cd player...
it wouldnt come on ... and actually the cd player suddenly started playing
when I just left the cd I had in it sit..   and the tape player worked
and then didn't...

I'm dumb about these things...

ann

On 7/29/2016 12:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:
this is what I have

http://www.aztekcomputers.com/PD6548SL-EMERSON-794250.html?source=googleps&gclid=CMn8qp7zmM4CFUkkhgodE48MIQ

This is what it does now. I turn on the radio and get silence...
thinking I turned it off a walk away and quite a while later the radio
comes on.
...snip
anyone know what is going on here? I remember years ago things needed to
warm up before playing... but it didn't take 30 minutes.
Probably a dodgy voltage regulator in the power supply. Does the CD
player or cassette part of this thing show the same symptoms?





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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread Jack Davis
:-)
J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2016, at 3:05 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Standard plug -- now it is playing a CD ...
> 
> I really like this critter - it has a nice sound... also struck by how much 
> itlooks a bit like Jostein's horse fly
> 
> :-)
> 
> ann
> 
> 
>> On 7/29/2016 5:14 PM, Paul wrote:
>> When you say the power supply is an outlet in your wall, do you mean it's a 
>> standard two or three prong plug or a "wall wort" like this?
>> 
>> https://app.box.com/s/lrghaqvg3ai9dj15fip7vrs7eifal1i3
>> 
>> https://app.box.com/s/s8xtgbfn1473zh4bvxxsemg28cwkyg9i
>> 
>> If it's a "wall wort", that may be your problem and it could be replaced at 
>> an electronics store like Radio Shack.
>> 
>> (Is Radio Shack still in business?) :-[:-[
>> 
>> -p
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/29/2016 2:36 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
>>> Mark -
>>> The" power supply" is an outlet in my wall - is that what you mean?
>>> Yes, the same thing happened, in effect - with the tape and cd player... it 
>>> wouldnt come on ... and actually the cd player suddenly started playing
>>> when I just left the cd I had in it sit..   and the tape player worked and 
>>> then didn't...
>>> 
>>> I'm dumb about these things...
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
 On 7/29/2016 12:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 ann sanfedele wrote:
 this is what I have
 
 http://www.aztekcomputers.com/PD6548SL-EMERSON-794250.html?source=googleps&gclid=CMn8qp7zmM4CFUkkhgodE48MIQ
  
 
 This is what it does now. I turn on the radio and get silence...
 thinking I turned it off a walk away and quite a while later the radio
 comes on.
 ...snip
 anyone know what is going on here? I remember years ago things needed to
 warm up before playing... but it didn't take 30 minutes.
 Probably a dodgy voltage regulator in the power supply. Does the CD
 player or cassette part of this thing show the same symptoms?
> 
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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread ann sanfedele

Standard plug -- now it is playing a CD ...

I really like this critter - it has a nice sound... also struck by how 
much itlooks a bit like Jostein's horse fly


:-)

ann


On 7/29/2016 5:14 PM, Paul wrote:
When you say the power supply is an outlet in your wall, do you mean 
it's a standard two or three prong plug or a "wall wort" like this?


https://app.box.com/s/lrghaqvg3ai9dj15fip7vrs7eifal1i3

https://app.box.com/s/s8xtgbfn1473zh4bvxxsemg28cwkyg9i

If it's a "wall wort", that may be your problem and it could be 
replaced at an electronics store like Radio Shack.


(Is Radio Shack still in business?) :-[:-[

-p



On 7/29/2016 2:36 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Mark -
The" power supply" is an outlet in my wall - is that what you mean?
Yes, the same thing happened, in effect - with the tape and cd 
player... it wouldnt come on ... and actually the cd player suddenly 
started playing
when I just left the cd I had in it sit..   and the tape player 
worked and then didn't...


I'm dumb about these things...

ann

On 7/29/2016 12:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:
this is what I have

http://www.aztekcomputers.com/PD6548SL-EMERSON-794250.html?source=googleps&gclid=CMn8qp7zmM4CFUkkhgodE48MIQ 



This is what it does now. I turn on the radio and get silence...
thinking I turned it off a walk away and quite a while later the radio
comes on.
...snip
anyone know what is going on here? I remember years ago things 
needed to

warm up before playing... but it didn't take 30 minutes.
Probably a dodgy voltage regulator in the power supply. Does the CD
player or cassette part of this thing show the same symptoms?








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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread ann sanfedele
Well that solder joint idea that you and PJ mentioned is intriguing -  I 
was jsut sort of interested in it


turning out to be something that is , as they say today, "a thing". I 
have left it on radio since I wrote earlier -


and just now I popped in a cassette and it played.   So for now, I can 
either just leave it on or turn it on ahead of when I want to listen :-)


Thanks guys!

ann


On 7/29/2016 4:37 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:


Mark -
The" power supply" is an outlet in my wall - is that what you mean?

Nope. I was referring to the power supply internal to the boom box:
Transformer, rectifier diodes, capacitors and several voltage
regulators.


Yes, the same thing happened, in effect - with the tape and cd player...
it wouldnt come on ... and actually the cd player suddenly started playing
when I just left the cd I had in it sit..   and the tape player worked
and then didn't...

So everything stays lit up and the tape or CD keeps moving physically
but no sound comes out?

It does sound like a bad voltage regulator. This is typically a linear
regulator in these kinds of devices, a 3-pin integrated circuit
device. It could even be just a bad solder joint which makes a
connection only after it's reached a certain temperature. Hard to say
without opening it up and having a look around inside.
  



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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread Paul
When you say the power supply is an outlet in your wall, do you mean 
it's a standard two or three prong plug or a "wall wort" like this?


https://app.box.com/s/lrghaqvg3ai9dj15fip7vrs7eifal1i3

https://app.box.com/s/s8xtgbfn1473zh4bvxxsemg28cwkyg9i

If it's a "wall wort", that may be your problem and it could be replaced 
at an electronics store like Radio Shack.


(Is Radio Shack still in business?) :-[:-[

-p



On 7/29/2016 2:36 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Mark -
The" power supply" is an outlet in my wall - is that what you mean?
Yes, the same thing happened, in effect - with the tape and cd 
player... it wouldnt come on ... and actually the cd player suddenly 
started playing
when I just left the cd I had in it sit..   and the tape player worked 
and then didn't...


I'm dumb about these things...

ann

On 7/29/2016 12:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:
this is what I have

http://www.aztekcomputers.com/PD6548SL-EMERSON-794250.html?source=googleps&gclid=CMn8qp7zmM4CFUkkhgodE48MIQ 



This is what it does now. I turn on the radio and get silence...
thinking I turned it off a walk away and quite a while later the radio
comes on.
...snip
anyone know what is going on here? I remember years ago things needed to
warm up before playing... but it didn't take 30 minutes.
Probably a dodgy voltage regulator in the power supply. Does the CD
player or cassette part of this thing show the same symptoms?





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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread Mark Roberts
ann sanfedele wrote:

>Mark -
>The" power supply" is an outlet in my wall - is that what you mean?

Nope. I was referring to the power supply internal to the boom box:
Transformer, rectifier diodes, capacitors and several voltage
regulators.

>Yes, the same thing happened, in effect - with the tape and cd player... 
>it wouldnt come on ... and actually the cd player suddenly started playing
>when I just left the cd I had in it sit..   and the tape player worked 
>and then didn't...

So everything stays lit up and the tape or CD keeps moving physically
but no sound comes out?

It does sound like a bad voltage regulator. This is typically a linear
regulator in these kinds of devices, a 3-pin integrated circuit
device. It could even be just a bad solder joint which makes a
connection only after it's reached a certain temperature. Hard to say
without opening it up and having a look around inside.
 
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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread mike wilson
> On 29 July 2016 at 20:36 ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> 
> Mark -
> The" power supply" is an outlet in my wall - is that what you mean?

The wall outlet is your power source.  Inside the player is a bunch of
electronic gubbins that takes that power and divvies it out to the various
motors, amplifiers and radio curcuits.  That is the power supply that Mark
refers to.  There are a number of (probably) simple issues that would cause your
signs.  If you can find a decent repair shop, it may be repairable for less than
the price of a replacement.

Kits for fixing the Emerson TV power supplies are about $25
https://www.amazon.com/Emerson-A17F7MPW-001-Supply-Component-LC320EM2/dp/B00DJ7OUHU

> Yes, the same thing happened, in effect - with the tape and cd player... 
> it wouldnt come on ... and actually the cd player suddenly started playing
> when I just left the cd I had in it sit..   and the tape player worked 
> and then didn't...
> 
> I'm dumb about these things...
> 
> ann
> 
> On 7/29/2016 12:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> > ann sanfedele wrote:
> > this is what I have
> >
> > http://www.aztekcomputers.com/PD6548SL-EMERSON-794250.html?source=googleps&gclid=CMn8qp7zmM4CFUkkhgodE48MIQ
> >
> > This is what it does now. I turn on the radio and get silence...
> > thinking I turned it off a walk away and quite a while later the radio
> > comes on.
> > ...snip
> > anyone know what is going on here? I remember years ago things needed to
> > warm up before playing... but it didn't take 30 minutes.
> > Probably a dodgy voltage regulator in the power supply. Does the CD
> > player or cassette part of this thing show the same symptoms?
> >

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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread P.J. Alling

Apparently cassette recorders have become a thing...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--cassetrecorder.html

On 7/29/2016 1:15 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Mark Roberts 
wrote:


Does the CD
player or cassette part of this thing show the same symptoms?


I'm surprised that some besides Ann and I still remember what a "cassette
recorder" is.

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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread P.J. Alling
There could be a cold break in a solder joint.  The electronics don't 
need to warm up but the break in the joint needs to warm up to make 
contact.  It's unlikely but not impossible.  I can't think of anything else.


On 7/29/2016 10:52 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

this is what I have

http://www.aztekcomputers.com/PD6548SL-EMERSON-794250.html?source=googleps&gclid=CMn8qp7zmM4CFUkkhgodE48MIQ 



This is what it does now. I turn on the radio and get silence... 
thinking I turned it off a walk away and quite a while later the radio 
comes on.
I figured it was just that the station I was on had died for a 
while... but this has happened two or three more times.. turn on 
radio, silence,
eventually radio is on.  Today I checked the time that I turned it 
on.. it was a full 30 minutes before it suddenly woke up.  I dont have 
the

batteries in, I have the radio plugged into an outlet.

anyone know what is going on here? I remember years ago things needed 
to warm up before playing... but it didn't take 30 minutes.


ann scratching head





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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread ann sanfedele

Mark -
The" power supply" is an outlet in my wall - is that what you mean?
Yes, the same thing happened, in effect - with the tape and cd player... 
it wouldnt come on ... and actually the cd player suddenly started playing
when I just left the cd I had in it sit..   and the tape player worked 
and then didn't...


I'm dumb about these things...

ann

On 7/29/2016 12:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:
this is what I have

http://www.aztekcomputers.com/PD6548SL-EMERSON-794250.html?source=googleps&gclid=CMn8qp7zmM4CFUkkhgodE48MIQ

This is what it does now. I turn on the radio and get silence...
thinking I turned it off a walk away and quite a while later the radio
comes on.
...snip
anyone know what is going on here? I remember years ago things needed to
warm up before playing... but it didn't take 30 minutes.
Probably a dodgy voltage regulator in the power supply. Does the CD
player or cassette part of this thing show the same symptoms?
  



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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread Mark Roberts
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

>On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>> Does the CD
>> player or cassette part of this thing show the same symptoms?
>
>I'm surprised that some besides Ann and I still remember what a "cassette
>recorder" is.

I was, frankly, amazed to see "cassette" in the product description
page.
 
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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Mark Roberts 
wrote:

> Does the CD
> player or cassette part of this thing show the same symptoms?
>

I'm surprised that some besides Ann and I still remember what a "cassette
recorder" is.

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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread Mark Roberts
ann sanfedele wrote:

>this is what I have
>
>http://www.aztekcomputers.com/PD6548SL-EMERSON-794250.html?source=googleps&gclid=CMn8qp7zmM4CFUkkhgodE48MIQ
>
>This is what it does now. I turn on the radio and get silence... 
>thinking I turned it off a walk away and quite a while later the radio 
>comes on.
>I figured it was just that the station I was on had died for a while... 
>but this has happened two or three more times.. turn on radio, silence,
>eventually radio is on.  Today I checked the time that I turned it on.. 
>it was a full 30 minutes before it suddenly woke up.  I dont have the
>batteries in, I have the radio plugged into an outlet.
>
>anyone know what is going on here? I remember years ago things needed to 
>warm up before playing... but it didn't take 30 minutes.

Probably a dodgy voltage regulator in the power supply. Does the CD
player or cassette part of this thing show the same symptoms?
 
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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread John

There used to be shops you could take such an item & have it repaired at
a reasonable price. But, no more.

Progress!

On 7/29/2016 11:08 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Ann, that is very strange indeed.  As a former physics major who used to
tinker with radio broad casting and transmitting equipment, as well as
radio receivers, I can think of no credible explanation. Have there been
any recent alien abductions reported in the Village lately?  

The only solution I can think of is trow away the radio and get an iPhone.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:52 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:


this is what I have


http://www.aztekcomputers.com/PD6548SL-EMERSON-794250.html?source=googleps&gclid=CMn8qp7zmM4CFUkkhgodE48MIQ

This is what it does now. I turn on the radio and get silence... thinking
I turned it off a walk away and quite a while later the radio comes on.
I figured it was just that the station I was on had died for a while...
but this has happened two or three more times.. turn on radio, silence,
eventually radio is on.  Today I checked the time that I turned it on.. it
was a full 30 minutes before it suddenly woke up.  I dont have the
batteries in, I have the radio plugged into an outlet.

anyone know what is going on here? I remember years ago things needed to
warm up before playing... but it didn't take 30 minutes.

ann scratching head


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Re: OT : A puzzlement - regarding my EMerson radio/cd/cassette player - any ideas?

2016-07-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Ann, that is very strange indeed.  As a former physics major who used to
tinker with radio broad casting and transmitting equipment, as well as
radio receivers, I can think of no credible explanation. Have there been
any recent alien abductions reported in the Village lately?  

The only solution I can think of is trow away the radio and get an iPhone.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:52 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> this is what I have
>
>
> http://www.aztekcomputers.com/PD6548SL-EMERSON-794250.html?source=googleps&gclid=CMn8qp7zmM4CFUkkhgodE48MIQ
>
> This is what it does now. I turn on the radio and get silence... thinking
> I turned it off a walk away and quite a while later the radio comes on.
> I figured it was just that the station I was on had died for a while...
> but this has happened two or three more times.. turn on radio, silence,
> eventually radio is on.  Today I checked the time that I turned it on.. it
> was a full 30 minutes before it suddenly woke up.  I dont have the
> batteries in, I have the radio plugged into an outlet.
>
> anyone know what is going on here? I remember years ago things needed to
> warm up before playing... but it didn't take 30 minutes.
>
> ann scratching head
>
>
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