Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
On 1/12/04, Juey Chong Ong, discombobulated, unleashed: Would it work if you cover the windows with sheets of warming filters? Yes that is done in movie-making but carrying those size gels is expensive and I'm only shooting news ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
It would work. To me, it wouldn't be worth the effort or the expense. Plus, you would lose the contrast of warm and cold. Paul On Dec 1, 2004, at 11:52 PM, Juey Chong Ong wrote: Cotty, Would it work if you cover the windows with sheets of warming filters? --jc On Nov 27, 2004, at 4:26 AM, Cotty wrote: Interesting. You have come across a classic mixed lighting situation and balanced the picture entirely for tungsten. I daily shoot pics for the news in such scenarios (minus the nice tree :-) and I can tell you that I hate the ultra blue windows with a vengeance. Some people like the cold blue exteriors through a window I gather ;-) For video, what I would do here is have a couple of redheads up with half-blue gels on them (about 3900K I think they are) and balance for daylight (5600K). This keeps the exterior light from going so blue, and allows the artificial lighting to meet the daylight half way, while giving the domestic lamps some nice warm pools of tungsten illumination. Also, the tree lights would have a nice rosy glow to them. It looks like you've sprayed gold paint on everything but the windows ;-) For stills, I would have balanced for daylight and used flash, keeping the domestic lighting from being obliterated as much as possible - I appreciate you probably shot RAW I know we all see things different, I merely present my approach in such situations. Best, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:02:08 -0500, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5 exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet. The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg Nice tree!! I thought it was artificial (and was going to chastise you for not having a real tree g) until I re-read your post. I gotta say, Paul, that's a lovely den the tree's in, too. You've captured all that warmth in the photograph. Well done. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
yes, too early, first it is Sinterklaas on 5 Dec, from 6 Dec the Christmas decoration can come out. On Wednesday 01 December 2004 05:39, Boris Liberman wrote: FJW Hi! FJW FJW PS And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes FJW PS from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. FJW PS That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to FJW PS go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch FJW PS Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is FJW PS fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5 FJW PS exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet. FJW PS The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is. FJW PS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg FJW FJW Paul, do tell me what is this piece of machinery just outside the FJW window on the left? And if you could just for sake of this shot remove FJW the pile of remotes from the table - it would be a great great shot. FJW Really great. As it is now - it is great in a realistic way. But FJW without this whatever outside the window and remotes - it would be FJW great in classical way. FJW FJW My wife disagrees on remotes' count. She also tends to think the tree FJW is due later this year :). She's afraid, the tree will go bald before FJW holidays start :). FJW FJW Happy Holidays everyone :). FJW FJW FJW Boris FJW mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] FJW FJW FJW -- Frits Wüthrich
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
lovely shot, I agree, the remotes and the gass-gril outside should have been removed. On Wednesday 01 December 2004 11:35, Frits Wüthrich wrote: FJW yes, too early, first it is Sinterklaas on 5 Dec, from 6 Dec the Christmas decoration can come out. FJW FJW On Wednesday 01 December 2004 05:39, Boris Liberman wrote: FJW FJW Hi! FJW FJW FJW FJW PS And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes FJW FJW PS from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. FJW FJW PS That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to FJW FJW PS go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch FJW FJW PS Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is FJW FJW PS fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5 FJW FJW PS exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet. FJW FJW PS The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is. FJW FJW PS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg FJW FJW FJW FJW Paul, do tell me what is this piece of machinery just outside the FJW FJW window on the left? And if you could just for sake of this shot remove FJW FJW the pile of remotes from the table - it would be a great great shot. FJW FJW Really great. As it is now - it is great in a realistic way. But FJW FJW without this whatever outside the window and remotes - it would be FJW FJW great in classical way. FJW FJW FJW FJW My wife disagrees on remotes' count. She also tends to think the tree FJW FJW is due later this year :). She's afraid, the tree will go bald before FJW FJW holidays start :). FJW FJW FJW FJW Happy Holidays everyone :). FJW FJW FJW FJW FJW FJW Boris FJW FJW mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] FJW FJW FJW FJW FJW FJW FJW FJW -- FJW Frits Wüthrich FJW FJW FJW FJW -- Frits Wüthrich
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
The unfortunate piece of machinery outside the window is a barbecue grill. The remotes just sort of live there on the coffee table :-). You're right, of course. I should have arranged things. But this was just a playing around grab shot. When I saw that it worked out nicely, I decided to share it. But I'm going to move the grill and the remotes and reshoot it. I'm also going to shoot a version without the chairs and coffee table for stock. (That will make it useful for ads, as an art director can put his or her product under the tree.) By the way, I'm going to stick with the blue. After a few days of looking at the various ways of fixing the blue, I decided that I prefer the blue version. Paul On Nov 30, 2004, at 11:39 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! PS And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes PS from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. PS That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to PS go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch PS Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is PS fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5 PS exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet. PS The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is. PS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg Paul, do tell me what is this piece of machinery just outside the window on the left? And if you could just for sake of this shot remove the pile of remotes from the table - it would be a great great shot. Really great. As it is now - it is great in a realistic way. But without this whatever outside the window and remotes - it would be great in classical way. My wife disagrees on remotes' count. She also tends to think the tree is due later this year :). She's afraid, the tree will go bald before holidays start :). Happy Holidays everyone :). Boris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
We decorate early because my children come home for Thanksgiving weekend (which was this past weekend), but they won't be back again until Christmas. As far as the tree lasting, I've found that if we make sure to keep it watered, it will survive until New Years in fairly good shape. Remember, even a tree you buy the day before Christmas was probably cut down in October. Paul On Dec 1, 2004, at 5:35 AM, Frits Wüthrich wrote: yes, too early, first it is Sinterklaas on 5 Dec, from 6 Dec the Christmas decoration can come out. On Wednesday 01 December 2004 05:39, Boris Liberman wrote: FJW Hi! FJW FJW PS And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes FJW PS from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. FJW PS That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to FJW PS go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch FJW PS Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is FJW PS fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5 FJW PS exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet. FJW PS The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is. FJW PS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg FJW FJW Paul, do tell me what is this piece of machinery just outside the FJW window on the left? And if you could just for sake of this shot remove FJW the pile of remotes from the table - it would be a great great shot. FJW Really great. As it is now - it is great in a realistic way. But FJW without this whatever outside the window and remotes - it would be FJW great in classical way. FJW FJW My wife disagrees on remotes' count. She also tends to think the tree FJW is due later this year :). She's afraid, the tree will go bald before FJW holidays start :). FJW FJW Happy Holidays everyone :). FJW FJW FJW Boris FJW mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] FJW FJW FJW -- Frits Wüthrich
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
Cotty, Would it work if you cover the windows with sheets of warming filters? --jc On Nov 27, 2004, at 4:26 AM, Cotty wrote: Interesting. You have come across a classic mixed lighting situation and balanced the picture entirely for tungsten. I daily shoot pics for the news in such scenarios (minus the nice tree :-) and I can tell you that I hate the ultra blue windows with a vengeance. Some people like the cold blue exteriors through a window I gather ;-) For video, what I would do here is have a couple of redheads up with half-blue gels on them (about 3900K I think they are) and balance for daylight (5600K). This keeps the exterior light from going so blue, and allows the artificial lighting to meet the daylight half way, while giving the domestic lamps some nice warm pools of tungsten illumination. Also, the tree lights would have a nice rosy glow to them. It looks like you've sprayed gold paint on everything but the windows ;-) For stills, I would have balanced for daylight and used flash, keeping the domestic lighting from being obliterated as much as possible - I appreciate you probably shot RAW I know we all see things different, I merely present my approach in such situations. Best, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
Hi! PS And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes PS from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. PS That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to PS go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch PS Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is PS fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5 PS exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet. PS The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is. PS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg Paul, do tell me what is this piece of machinery just outside the window on the left? And if you could just for sake of this shot remove the pile of remotes from the table - it would be a great great shot. Really great. As it is now - it is great in a realistic way. But without this whatever outside the window and remotes - it would be great in classical way. My wife disagrees on remotes' count. She also tends to think the tree is due later this year :). She's afraid, the tree will go bald before holidays start :). Happy Holidays everyone :). Boris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bill's Layer Fix (Was Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....)
The fringing on the tree decoration is probably a spot I missed with the eraser. (I did this kind of fast and dirty.) The blue areas on the windowpane have been corrected for daylight. It's just that they were very blue to begin with. Looking at the hi-res tiff I can see that these are exterior parts of the window pane and are bathed in the blue light, which remains somewhat blue after correction. On Nov 28, 2004, at 2:25 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Take a look at the blue fringing on the tree decoration and the brighter bule around the window panes on the Robb modification. I don't see those problems in the Hue/Sat adjustment I tried at least those problems don't appear on my monitor. Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it works. It appears to be virtually identical to the layer fix that I did following Bill's suggestion. I think the ultimate fix is going to be to shoot it when it's dark outside :-) Paul On Nov 27, 2004, at 2:32 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Paul I couldn't help myself. Just had to jump in here: http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/pauls-tree.jpg Tried to get it to look a little more like it was later in the evening without totally disappearing the bluish tint outside and preserving the blue lights on the tree. Selected the blue I wanted to preserve, inverted the selection, used Hue/Saturation adjustment to adjust the blue and cyan outside, using only saturation and lightness. Just did a QD sample what do you think? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/27/2004 10:42:49 AM Subject: Bill's Layer Fix (Was Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving) I tried Bill Robb's suggested layer fix. It's here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2914383size=lg The original is here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg I prefer it with Bill's fix. It's still sufficiently gloomy outside, but the blue isn't so intrusive. Good idea, Bill. Next time I'll move that grill. In fact, if I get bored, maybe I'll paint it out later. It's a bit of work with the window panes, but it could be done.
Re: Bill's Layer Fix (Was Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....)
PS that I did following Bill's suggestion. I think the ultimate fix is PS going to be to shoot it when it's dark outside :-) Hi Paul, the ultimate fix would be probably doing it movie-style: either buy few rolls of LEE colour-correction foil to put behind the windows, or just wrap each small light on the tree with the foil... Good light! fra
Re: Bill's Layer Fix (Was Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....)
Too much fix :-). On Nov 27, 2004, at 6:59 AM, Frantisek wrote: PS that I did following Bill's suggestion. I think the ultimate fix is PS going to be to shoot it when it's dark outside :-) Hi Paul, the ultimate fix would be probably doing it movie-style: either buy few rolls of LEE colour-correction foil to put behind the windows, or just wrap each small light on the tree with the foil... Good light! fra
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
On 26/11/04, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5 exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet. The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg Interesting. You have come across a classic mixed lighting situation and balanced the picture entirely for tungsten. I daily shoot pics for the news in such scenarios (minus the nice tree :-) and I can tell you that I hate the ultra blue windows with a vengeance. Some people like the cold blue exteriors through a window I gather ;-) For video, what I would do here is have a couple of redheads up with half-blue gels on them (about 3900K I think they are) and balance for daylight (5600K). This keeps the exterior light from going so blue, and allows the artificial lighting to meet the daylight half way, while giving the domestic lamps some nice warm pools of tungsten illumination. Also, the tree lights would have a nice rosy glow to them. It looks like you've sprayed gold paint on everything but the windows ;-) For stills, I would have balanced for daylight and used flash, keeping the domestic lighting from being obliterated as much as possible - I appreciate you probably shot RAW I know we all see things different, I merely present my approach in such situations. Best, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Thanks to al who commented. I figured a bit of holiday cheer was just the thing for a slow list day. Paul On Nov 27, 2004, at 1:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5 exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet. The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg Oh, my. That IS a VERY nice picture. ERNR
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
Nice touch Paul, even if a bit early. Being Jewish, we never had a tree. But the kids had a great time at my folks house putting up their tree. My folks didn't mind either. They are good memories! Regards, Bob S. On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:27:37 -0500, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We used to wait with the tree until mid December or so. But now that the children are grown, they're only here on Thanksgiving and won't be back until 'Christmas. So Thanksgiving has become tree time. A tree is best when it's a family thing. I have some Jewish friends who do Chanukah trees along with their Menorah. Obviously not Orthodox. I know it's not in any way a part of the Jewish tradition, but it's still a fun holiday thing. We light a Menorah even though we're not Jewish. It's done both in recognition of our Jewish friends and as a symbol of the common heritage of the Jewish and Christian faiths. Our celebration is really quite secular. We're not deeply religious, but we're aware of our roots. On Nov 26, 2004, at 11:14 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: 'tis the season for jolly and merry Christmas pictures. Nice tree, Paul ... y'know, I never had a Christmas tree, never decorated anything for the holidays. I think you gentiles have the right idea. Sometimes the Jews are just to friggin' serious. But tell me, isn't putting a tree up the day after t'giving a bit early? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
- Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling Subject: Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving Looks like something painted by a Norman Rockwell imitator. (Not a criticism, too warm for a usual Rockwell, and no people). It would make a nice card. Rockwell would have ditched the gas barbecue in favour of a pig on a spit, I am sure. William Robb
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving For stills, I would have balanced for daylight and used flash, keeping the domestic lighting from being obliterated as much as possible - I appreciate you probably shot RAW Take the Raw file, adjust the white balance for tungsten (for the interior). Open it again, and adjust the white balance for daylight (for the exterior). Overlay them as seperate layers, erase the offending parts (I'd put the ouside layer on the bottom, then erase the windows from the top (inside) layer. Merge the layers. Voila! William Robb
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I didn't get Cotty's message, so I'm guessing what the rest of it was. I think flash would have pretty much wiped this out. I wanted f11 to keep most of the room in focus. With enough flash to control color at that stop, the tree lights would have been all but invisible. I wanted something in between a tungsten light feel and a fully corrected look. So I did shoot raw at the tungsten preset and then warmed it up a bit. I don't mind the outside being blue. It contributes to the sense of cold. Bill's layer fix is something I've done before when it mattered more. I may reshoot this for stock without the chairs and small table. But rather than layer it, I'll probably wait until it's a bit darker. That way I won't have to move the grill g. Paul On Nov 27, 2004, at 12:32 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving For stills, I would have balanced for daylight and used flash, keeping the domestic lighting from being obliterated as much as possible - I appreciate you probably shot RAW Take the Raw file, adjust the white balance for tungsten (for the interior). Open it again, and adjust the white balance for daylight (for the exterior). Overlay them as seperate layers, erase the offending parts (I'd put the ouside layer on the bottom, then erase the windows from the top (inside) layer. Merge the layers. Voila! William Robb
Bill's Layer Fix (Was Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....)
I tried Bill Robb's suggested layer fix. It's here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2914383size=lg The original is here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg I prefer it with Bill's fix. It's still sufficiently gloomy outside, but the blue isn't so intrusive. Good idea, Bill. Next time I'll move that grill. In fact, if I get bored, maybe I'll paint it out later. It's a bit of work with the window panes, but it could be done. On Nov 27, 2004, at 1:21 PM, Paul wrote: I didn't get Cotty's message, so I'm guessing what the rest of it was. I think flash would have pretty much wiped this out. I wanted f11 to keep most of the room in focus. With enough flash to control color at that stop, the tree lights would have been all but invisible. I wanted something in between a tungsten light feel and a fully corrected look. So I did shoot raw at the tungsten preset and then warmed it up a bit. I don't mind the outside being blue. It contributes to the sense of cold. Bill's layer fix is something I've done before when it mattered more. I may reshoot this for stock without the chairs and small table. But rather than layer it, I'll probably wait until it's a bit darker. That way I won't have to move the grill g. Paul On Nov 27, 2004, at 12:32 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving For stills, I would have balanced for daylight and used flash, keeping the domestic lighting from being obliterated as much as possible - I appreciate you probably shot RAW Take the Raw file, adjust the white balance for tungsten (for the interior). Open it again, and adjust the white balance for daylight (for the exterior). Overlay them as seperate layers, erase the offending parts (I'd put the ouside layer on the bottom, then erase the windows from the top (inside) layer. Merge the layers. Voila! William Robb
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 11:32:51AM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving For stills, I would have balanced for daylight and used flash, keeping the domestic lighting from being obliterated as much as possible - I appreciate you probably shot RAW Take the Raw file, adjust the white balance for tungsten (for the interior). Open it again, and adjust the white balance for daylight (for the exterior). Overlay them as seperate layers, erase the offending parts (I'd put the ouside layer on the bottom, then erase the windows from the top (inside) layer. Merge the layers. Voila! William Robb That would take away some of the appeal of the shot, IMO. I really like the way the warm room interior is thrown into harsh contrast with the cold blue exterior.
RE: Bill's Layer Fix (Was Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....)
Hi Paul I couldn't help myself. Just had to jump in here: http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/pauls-tree.jpg Tried to get it to look a little more like it was later in the evening without totally disappearing the bluish tint outside and preserving the blue lights on the tree. Selected the blue I wanted to preserve, inverted the selection, used Hue/Saturation adjustment to adjust the blue and cyan outside, using only saturation and lightness. Just did a QD sample what do you think? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/27/2004 10:42:49 AM Subject: Bill's Layer Fix (Was Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving) I tried Bill Robb's suggested layer fix. It's here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2914383size=lg The original is here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg I prefer it with Bill's fix. It's still sufficiently gloomy outside, but the blue isn't so intrusive. Good idea, Bill. Next time I'll move that grill. In fact, if I get bored, maybe I'll paint it out later. It's a bit of work with the window panes, but it could be done.
RE: Bill's Layer Fix (Was Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....)
On 27 Nov 2004 at 11:32, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Paul I couldn't help myself. Just had to jump in here: http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/pauls-tree.jpg The problem with this method is that you still have to deal with the original tungsten colour temperature conversion so de-saturating makes it come out an un- natural cyan. If I had access to the RAW file I would have used the original tungsten conversion and built a mask using the deep blue then made a daylight conversion (set the level to emulate dusk) and used the mask to overlay it, best of both worlds. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Bill's Layer Fix (Was Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....)
I think it works. It appears to be virtually identical to the layer fix that I did following Bill's suggestion. I think the ultimate fix is going to be to shoot it when it's dark outside :-) Paul On Nov 27, 2004, at 2:32 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Paul I couldn't help myself. Just had to jump in here: http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/pauls-tree.jpg Tried to get it to look a little more like it was later in the evening without totally disappearing the bluish tint outside and preserving the blue lights on the tree. Selected the blue I wanted to preserve, inverted the selection, used Hue/Saturation adjustment to adjust the blue and cyan outside, using only saturation and lightness. Just did a QD sample what do you think? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/27/2004 10:42:49 AM Subject: Bill's Layer Fix (Was Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving) I tried Bill Robb's suggested layer fix. It's here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2914383size=lg The original is here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg I prefer it with Bill's fix. It's still sufficiently gloomy outside, but the blue isn't so intrusive. Good idea, Bill. Next time I'll move that grill. In fact, if I get bored, maybe I'll paint it out later. It's a bit of work with the window panes, but it could be done.
Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
On 27/11/04, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Take the Raw file, adjust the white balance for tungsten (for the interior). Open it again, and adjust the white balance for daylight (for the exterior). Overlay them as seperate layers, erase the offending parts (I'd put the ouside layer on the bottom, then erase the windows from the top (inside) layer. Merge the layers. Voila! William Robb Why William shame on you. Do it at the shooting stage!!! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
RE: Bill's Layer Fix (Was Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....)
Sure, when working in RAW there are other options, but, alas, all I had was the already modified JPEG :-((( Shel (pouting and feeling woefully inadequate LOL) [Original Message] From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 27 Nov 2004 at 11:32, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Paul I couldn't help myself. Just had to jump in here: http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/pauls-tree.jpg The problem with this method is that you still have to deal with the original tungsten colour temperature conversion so de-saturating makes it come out an un- natural cyan. If I had access to the RAW file I would have used the original tungsten conversion and built a mask using the deep blue then made a daylight conversion (set the level to emulate dusk) and used the mask to overlay it, best of both worlds.
Re: Bill's Layer Fix (Was Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....)
Take a look at the blue fringing on the tree decoration and the brighter bule around the window panes on the Robb modification. I don't see those problems in the Hue/Sat adjustment I tried at least those problems don't appear on my monitor. Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it works. It appears to be virtually identical to the layer fix that I did following Bill's suggestion. I think the ultimate fix is going to be to shoot it when it's dark outside :-) Paul On Nov 27, 2004, at 2:32 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Paul I couldn't help myself. Just had to jump in here: http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/pauls-tree.jpg Tried to get it to look a little more like it was later in the evening without totally disappearing the bluish tint outside and preserving the blue lights on the tree. Selected the blue I wanted to preserve, inverted the selection, used Hue/Saturation adjustment to adjust the blue and cyan outside, using only saturation and lightness. Just did a QD sample what do you think? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/27/2004 10:42:49 AM Subject: Bill's Layer Fix (Was Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving) I tried Bill Robb's suggested layer fix. It's here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2914383size=lg The original is here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg I prefer it with Bill's fix. It's still sufficiently gloomy outside, but the blue isn't so intrusive. Good idea, Bill. Next time I'll move that grill. In fact, if I get bored, maybe I'll paint it out later. It's a bit of work with the window panes, but it could be done.
RE: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....
'tis the season for jolly and merry Christmas pictures. Nice tree, Paul ... y'know, I never had a Christmas tree, never decorated anything for the holidays. I think you gentiles have the right idea. Sometimes the Jews are just to friggin' serious. But tell me, isn't putting a tree up the day after t'giving a bit early? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg
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Very nice, warm and comfy looking! Happy holidays! keith whaley Paul Stenquist wrote: And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5 exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet. The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg
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We used to wait with the tree until mid December or so. But now that the children are grown, they're only here on Thanksgiving and won't be back until 'Christmas. So Thanksgiving has become tree time. A tree is best when it's a family thing. I have some Jewish friends who do Chanukah trees along with their Menorah. Obviously not Orthodox. I know it's not in any way a part of the Jewish tradition, but it's still a fun holiday thing. We light a Menorah even though we're not Jewish. It's done both in recognition of our Jewish friends and as a symbol of the common heritage of the Jewish and Christian faiths. Our celebration is really quite secular. We're not deeply religious, but we're aware of our roots. On Nov 26, 2004, at 11:14 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: 'tis the season for jolly and merry Christmas pictures. Nice tree, Paul ... y'know, I never had a Christmas tree, never decorated anything for the holidays. I think you gentiles have the right idea. Sometimes the Jews are just to friggin' serious. But tell me, isn't putting a tree up the day after t'giving a bit early? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg
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Paul Stenquist wrote: And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5 exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet. The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg That looks so cozy! I'll jsut print it out and hang it up for my tree :) Since my birthday is Dec 10 my mother worked hard at making sure I didn't get cheated so the tree went up then, and slowly over two weeks presents would appear under the tree so I could shake them and such. LIkewise, mine for her and my father and other kind would get placed there also. But usually the KEY present was hidden away til Christmas eve. I'm pretty sure Santa Clause was always thought of as a figure of speech at home. annsan
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Scrooge, it's never too early for Christmas. But seriously, it is pushing it just a bit. (Then again the Seasonal section of the local chain drugstore was set up with Christmass decorations on Oct 21st or thereabouts). Shel Belinkoff wrote: 'tis the season for jolly and merry Christmas pictures. Nice tree, Paul ... y'know, I never had a Christmas tree, never decorated anything for the holidays. I think you gentiles have the right idea. Sometimes the Jews are just to friggin' serious. But tell me, isn't putting a tree up the day after t'giving a bit early? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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Looks like something painted by a Norman Rockwell imitator. (Not a criticism, too warm for a usual Rockwell, and no people). It would make a nice card. Paul Stenquist wrote: And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5 exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet. The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree. That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5 exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet. The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg Oh, my. That IS a VERY nice picture. ERNR
