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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-30 Thread Bob W-PDML


On 30 Jun 2018, at 15:09, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
mailto:godfreydigio...@me.com>> wrote:


Whether this meets with some set of RFC codes or not I haven't the foggiest, 
nor am I interested to find out. If I had to copy and paste the URL from the 
subject to a browser to get to the link, well, that's clumsy but I suspect the 
world wouldn't end…


Actually the world could end. Imagine you have but moments to defuse a trillion 
megaton thermonuclear device that Mr. Putin has asked Mr. Trump to kindly start 
ticking in the Oval Office. Q has sent you a link in the subject line to the 
pdf manual so you know whether to cut the green wire or the red wire first, but 
he hasn't realised that the link is not active in the subject line, and in the 
time it takes you to select, copy & paste...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-to-survive-a-nuclear-bomb-in-dc-yes-really


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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

I just did some further testing. 

Subject line URLs work fine in standalone iOS Mail.app and macOS Mail.app, but 
do not work in the browser-based mail for iCloud using either Safari or FireFox 
on macOS. :-)

So much for consistency! 

As I said: I used to use this capability with Mail.app on macOS at work. 

Most of the time, however, if I send URL-only to someone now, it's as a txt not 
an email; it's actually a bit awkward to do it with Mail compared to txt… The 
macOS and iOS Message apps process the link, extract an image or preview on 
both the sender's and recipient's txt stream, and add a click-/tap-able region 
to jump to the web page if desired. 

Whether this meets with some set of RFC codes or not I haven't the foggiest, 
nor am I interested to find out. If I had to copy and paste the URL from the 
subject to a browser to get to the link, well, that's clumsy but I suspect the 
world wouldn't end…

 :-)

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> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:17 AM, Jan van Wijk  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 14:15:14 -0700 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> 
>> It's a short cut, Ann  rather than writing a note that requires a text 
>> body, you just send the link as the subject line. Clicking it in every 
>> system and browser I have available to me (iOS and macOS) just 
> wakes up the web browser with a new page that the link points to. 
> 
> That may be true for (most) browser-based email clients, but there still ARE 
> people
> that use a dedicated email program :)
> 
> I know I do, and while it is perfectly capable of displaying HTML email 
> contents,
> when needed, it does NOT do anything with a link embedded in the subject line.
> 
> I am pretty the sure the RFC for email does not allow links there either,
> but nobody seems to care about standard compliance these days ...
> 
> Regards, JvW

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-30 Thread Jan van Wijk

On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 14:15:14 -0700 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>It's a short cut, Ann  rather than writing a note that requires a text body, 
>you just send the link as the subject line. Clicking it in every system and 
>browser I have available to me (iOS and macOS) just 
wakes up the web browser with a new page that the link points to. 

That may be true for (most) browser-based email clients, but there still ARE 
people
that use a dedicated email program :)

I know I do, and while it is perfectly capable of displaying HTML email 
contents,
when needed, it does NOT do anything with a link embedded in the subject line.

I am pretty the sure the RFC for email does not allow links there either,
but nobody seems to care about standard compliance these days ...

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-30 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 29/6/18, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It's a short cut, Ann ... rather than writing a note that requires a text
>body, you just send the link as the subject line. Clicking it in every
>system and browser I have available to me (iOS and macOS) just wakes up
>the web browser with a new page that the link points to. 
>
>I used this short cut rather a lot when I was at the office ... it's an
>efficient way to pass links around when you have been in progress in a
>related conversation already. Doing it via txt messages works too, but
>email is more secure. 

In the UK they call it ''toplining'' and it's used widely within workplaces, 
particularly in business workplaces. It's almost like sending a text by email, 
except you just read the subject line and not the body of the email.

Not surprised that the younger generation are using it widely - just to 
obfuscate the previous generation ;-)

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread Alan C

Not clickable in Live Mail or TBird

Alan C

On 30-Jun-18 01:31 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

The link in the subject line isn't clickable for me in the Gmail web
interface (Chrome/Windows), nor Outlook for iOS.

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 6:35 PM ann sanfedele wrote:

Thanks for clarifying:-)
ann

On 6/29/2018 6:28 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

Except that it's *NOT* a problem caused by the user on Ann's end.

On 6/29/2018 16:49, l...@red4est.com wrote:

PEBKAC

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980506

A related step, though not necessarily about your friend, the two
strips are often paired

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990211

https://www-urbandictionary-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?amp_js_v=a2_gsa=1=User%20Error%20%23ID10T=true=mq331AQECAE4AQ%3D%3D#referrer=https://www.google.com_tf=From%20%251%24s=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.urbandictionary.com%2Fdefine.php%3Fterm%3DUser%2520Error%2520%2523ID10T

On June 29, 2018 12:46:36 PM PDT, "Jostein Øksne"
wrote:

Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person understand
the difference between subject line and main text.

Jodtein

Den 29. juni 2018 01.17.24 CEST, skrev ann sanfedele
:

a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart
phone
(I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the link --in
the subject line--
nothing in the body except "sent from my phone"

so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste.

when

I told her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said she

and

all her friends send each other
links in subject lines and copy and paste. she has a Gmail account -
her seldom used laptop is a mac.

Is this Brave New World?she asked me if what I told her was "a
microsoft thing".

finding this rather odd.

ann

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread John Sessoms


On 6/29/2018 21:34, l...@red4est.com wrote:



On June 29, 2018 2:38:01 PM PDT, Darren Addy  wrote:



My next question would be whether there is some way to put code in a
subject line so that a link APPEARED to go one place, but actually
went another. THAT would be especially dangerous, as you might think
you were going somewhere safe and instead be doing the opposite.
Outlook does not show you the actual destination of a link in the
subject line (anywhere that I can see).


Maybe with an http href tag.

 pretend url 


Would that work against someone who insists on only accepting plain text email?

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread ann sanfedele

lol I know

On 6/29/2018 7:49 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:

I didn't mean you, I meant your friend.

On June 29, 2018 3:34:43 PM PDT, ann sanfedele wrote:

Thanks for clarifying:-)
ann

On 6/29/2018 6:28 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

Except that it's *NOT* a problem caused by the user on Ann's end.

On 6/29/2018 16:49, l...@red4est.com wrote:

PEBKAC

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980506

A related step, though not necessarily about your friend, the two
strips are often paired

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990211

On June 29, 2018 12:46:36 PM PDT, "Jostein Øksne"
wrote:

Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person

understand

the difference between subject line and main text.

Jodtein

Den 29. juni 2018 01.17.24 CEST, skrev ann sanfedele
:

a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart
phone
(I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the link

--in

the subject line--
nothing in the body except "sent from my phone"

so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste.

when

I told her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said

she

and

all her friends send each other
links in subject lines and copy and paste. she has a Gmail

account -

her seldom used laptop is a mac.

Is this Brave New World? she asked me if what I told her was "a
microsoft thing".

finding this rather odd.

ann

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread lrc




On June 29, 2018 2:38:01 PM PDT, Darren Addy  wrote:
>I agree with Mark Roberts sentiments.
>
>Interesting question Ann. So I decided to try it from my gmail
>account. I typed http://www.theautodolly.com (one of my employer's web
>sites) into the Gmail subject line and sent it to two recipents:
>Myself via a different Gmail account and my work account which I
>access via Outlook on a Windows machine.
>As I expected, the subject line was NOT clickable in Gmail.
>However, I was surprised to see it as a blue underlined link at the
>top of the opened Outlook mail message. Clicking it did indeed take me
>to a web site.
>I don't believe I've ever seen that before and did not know it was
>possible.
>
>My next question would be whether there is some way to put code in a
>subject line so that a link APPEARED to go one place, but actually
>went another. THAT would be especially dangerous, as you might think
>you were going somewhere safe and instead be doing the opposite.
>Outlook does not show you the actual destination of a link in the
>subject line (anywhere that I can see).

Maybe with an http href tag. 

 pretend url 
>
>Darren Addy
>Kearney, Nebraska
>
>On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Mark Roberts
> wrote:
>> Whether or not putting a link in the subject like *works* is neither
>> here nor there. It's not accepted practice to send links that way and
>> I'd say it's a bad idea from a security standpoint for anyone
>> *receiving* such a message to click a link in a subject line. Too
>easy
>> to get in the habit of clicking such links and eventually get sent
>> somewhere bad by any of the all-too-numerous scumbags on the net.
>>
>> Tell your friend to stop it for everyone's sake.
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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread Mark Roberts

ann sanfedele wrote:

>On 6/29/2018 4:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>>
>> Tell your friend to stop it for everyone's sake.
>
>alas, that is not an option  - I tried that , in person... just a few 
>minutes ago -- she is a neighbor.  That is, I tried to explain why I 
>though it was perhaps not a good idea..

Fortunately, this is a (mostly) benign instance. But people like this,
who won't change their online behavior out of sheer stubbornness or
unwillingness to learn new ways of doing things, are why virus writers
and other malware writers will always have easy targets.

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread lrc

I didn't mean you, I meant your friend.


On June 29, 2018 3:34:43 PM PDT, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>Thanks for clarifying:-)
>ann
>
>On 6/29/2018 6:28 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
>> Except that it's *NOT* a problem caused by the user on Ann's end.
>>
>> On 6/29/2018 16:49, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>>> PEBKAC
>>>
>>> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980506
>>>
>>> A related step, though not necessarily about your friend, the two 
>>> strips are often paired
>>>
>>> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990211
>>>
>>>
>>>
>https://www-urbandictionary-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?amp_js_v=a2_gsa=1=User%20Error%20%23ID10T=true=mq331AQECAE4AQ%3D%3D#referrer=https://www.google.com_tf=From%20%251%24s=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.urbandictionary.com%2Fdefine.php%3Fterm%3DUser%2520Error%2520%2523ID10T
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On June 29, 2018 12:46:36 PM PDT, "Jostein Øksne" 
>
>>> wrote:
 Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person
>understand
 the difference between subject line and main text.

 Jodtein

 Den 29. juni 2018 01.17.24 CEST, skrev ann sanfedele
 :
> a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart
> phone
> (I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the link
>--in

> the subject line--
> nothing in the body  except "sent from my phone"
>
> so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste.
 when
>
> I told her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said
>she
 and
>
> all her friends send each other
> links in subject lines and copy and paste.   she has a Gmail
>account -

> her seldom used laptop is a mac.
>
> Is this Brave New World?    she asked me if what I told her was "a
> microsoft thing".
>
> finding this rather odd.
>
> ann

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread Matthew Hunt

The link in the subject line isn't clickable for me in the Gmail web
interface (Chrome/Windows), nor Outlook for iOS.

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 6:35 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:

> Thanks for clarifying:-)
> ann
>
> On 6/29/2018 6:28 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
> > Except that it's *NOT* a problem caused by the user on Ann's end.
> >
> > On 6/29/2018 16:49, l...@red4est.com wrote:
> >> PEBKAC
> >>
> >> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980506
> >>
> >> A related step, though not necessarily about your friend, the two
> >> strips are often paired
> >>
> >> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990211
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www-urbandictionary-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?amp_js_v=a2_gsa=1=User%20Error%20%23ID10T=true=mq331AQECAE4AQ%3D%3D#referrer=https://www.google.com_tf=From%20%251%24s=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.urbandictionary.com%2Fdefine.php%3Fterm%3DUser%2520Error%2520%2523ID10T
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On June 29, 2018 12:46:36 PM PDT, "Jostein Øksne" 
> >> wrote:
> >>> Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person understand
> >>> the difference between subject line and main text.
> >>>
> >>> Jodtein
> >>>
> >>> Den 29. juni 2018 01.17.24 CEST, skrev ann sanfedele
> >>> :
>  a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart
>  phone
>  (I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the link --in
> >>>
>  the subject line--
>  nothing in the body  except "sent from my phone"
> 
>  so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste.
> >>> when
> 
>  I told her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said she
> >>> and
> 
>  all her friends send each other
>  links in subject lines and copy and paste.   she has a Gmail account -
> >>>
>  her seldom used laptop is a mac.
> 
>  Is this Brave New World?she asked me if what I told her was "a
>  microsoft thing".
> 
>  finding this rather odd.
> 
>  ann
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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread ann sanfedele

Thanks for clarifying:-)
ann

On 6/29/2018 6:28 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

Except that it's *NOT* a problem caused by the user on Ann's end.

On 6/29/2018 16:49, l...@red4est.com wrote:

PEBKAC

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980506

A related step, though not necessarily about your friend, the two
strips are often paired

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990211

On June 29, 2018 12:46:36 PM PDT, "Jostein Øksne"
wrote:

Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person understand
the difference between subject line and main text.

Jodtein

Den 29. juni 2018 01.17.24 CEST, skrev ann sanfedele
:

a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart
phone
(I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the link --in

the subject line--
nothing in the body except "sent from my phone"

so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste.

when

I told her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said she

and

all her friends send each other
links in subject lines and copy and paste. she has a Gmail account -

her seldom used laptop is a mac.

Is this Brave New World? she asked me if what I told her was "a
microsoft thing".

finding this rather odd.

ann

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread Paul Sorenson

Could also be PICNIC

On 6/29/2018 3:49 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:

PEBKAC

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980506

A related step, though not necessarily about your friend, the two strips are
often paired

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990211

On June 29, 2018 12:46:36 PM PDT, "Jostein Øksne" wrote:

Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person understand
the difference between subject line and main text.

Jodtein

Den 29. juni 2018 01.17.24 CEST, skrev ann sanfedele
:

so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste.

when

I told her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said she

and

all her friends send each other
links in subject lines and copy and paste. she has a Gmail account -
her seldom used laptop is a mac.

Is this Brave New World? she asked me if what I told her was "a
microsoft thing".

finding this rather odd.

ann

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread John Sessoms

Except that it's *NOT* a problem caused by the user on Ann's end.

On 6/29/2018 16:49, l...@red4est.com wrote:

PEBKAC

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980506

A related step, though not necessarily about your friend, the two strips are
often paired

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990211

On June 29, 2018 12:46:36 PM PDT, "Jostein Øksne" wrote:

Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person understand
the difference between subject line and main text.

Jodtein

Den 29. juni 2018 01.17.24 CEST, skrev ann sanfedele
:

a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart
phone
(I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the link --in

the subject line--
nothing in the body except "sent from my phone"

so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste.

when

I told her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said she

and

all her friends send each other
links in subject lines and copy and paste. she has a Gmail account -

her seldom used laptop is a mac.

Is this Brave New World? she asked me if what I told her was "a
microsoft thing".

finding this rather odd.

ann

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Re: a puzzlement.. http://www.example.com

2018-06-29 Thread John Sessoms


Ok, so it's kind of an Apple thing?

On 6/29/2018 17:47, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

It does work as a hot link on all my systems and browsers. This is a
limitation of the system and app configuration you're using, that's all.

G


On Jun 29, 2018, at 2:43 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

That's interesting, but I couldn't use the link  above without
highlighting, copying and opening my browser to paste it.. My friend claims
it works as a hot link -




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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread ann sanfedele

The hyperlink friend sent me was not clickable - (and I'm grateful for 
that -)
But after reading your reply and Bob W's  I have to back down on my 
thinking she was doing somethingseldomdone...


However I couldn't open her link in the email she sent me without doing 
copy and past and then opening a browser. Thundebird doesn't check 
spelling in

subject lines either.

If I hadn't been in the room with her when she sent me the link, I 
surely would have deleted it without opening the mail.  likewise, if I 
get email with

NO subject or with "Hi"  instant delete.

ann

On 6/29/2018 5:15 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

It's a short cut, Ann … rather than writing a note that requires a text body, 
you just send the link as the subject line. Clicking it in every system and 
browser I have available to me (iOS and macOS) just wakes up the web browser 
with a new page that the link points to.

I used this short cut rather a lot when I was at the office … it's an efficient 
way to pass links around when you have been in progress in a related 
conversation already. Doing it via txt messages works too, but email is more 
secure.

G



On Jun 28, 2018, at 4:17 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart phone 
(I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the link --in the 
subject line--
nothing in the body  except "sent from my phone"

so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste. when I told 
her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said she and all her 
friends send each other
links in subject lines and copy and paste.   she has a Gmail account - her 
seldom used laptop is a mac.

Is this Brave New World?she asked me if what I told her was "a microsoft 
thing".

finding this rather odd.

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread ann sanfedele





On 6/29/2018 4:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Whether or not putting a link in the subject like *works* is neither
here nor there. It's not accepted practice to send links that way and
I'd say it's a bad idea from a security standpoint for anyone
*receiving* such a message to click a link in a subject line.

That is my feeling too..

  Too easy
to get in the habit of clicking such links and eventually get sent
somewhere bad by any of the all-too-numerous scumbags on the net.

Tell your friend to stop it for everyone's sake.
alas, that is not an option  - I tried that , in person... just a few 
minutes ago -- she is a neighbor.  That is, I tried to explain why I 
though it was perhaps not a good idea..
Bit apparently she says it works on her Mac computer as well as her 
phone.. She claims she only does it when she is already chatting with 
someone (in person or on phone texting) and drops a link into the 
subject line..  All her friends do it... - sigh.  Though she did admit 
at last to understanding my point of view about it...


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Re: a puzzlement.. http://www.example.com

2018-06-29 Thread Bob W-PDML

Your email client is looking after you.

> On 29 Jun 2018, at 22:44, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> That's interesting, but I couldn't use the link  above without highlighting, 
> copying and opening my browser to paste it..
> My friend claims it works as a hot link -
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 6/29/2018 4:46 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>> I post links in the subject line to my home email from my work one, and vice 
>> versa quite often. It works fine on every platform I use,  including 
>> Outlook, ios mail and others
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2018, at 21:22, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6/29/2018 3:46 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote:
 Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person understand the 
 difference between subject line and main text.
>>> J - this was an exchange with her - I had asked if she would put her links 
>>> in body next time...   I'm wondering if it has to do with people 
>>> perpetually texting each other...
>>> 
>>> she has an I phone I believe.   I would say this was the first time she 
>>> sent me link -- normally an email from her has a comment of some sort, 
>>> elaborated on in the body, but
>>> always from her phone..   I have to admit to being annoyed at her "you're 
>>> friend are different than mine" crack.
>>> 
>>> It seems to me not a good practice - but maybe if you are texting back and 
>>> forth all the time sticking a hyerplink in a subject line is somehow easier 
>>> .
>>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:24 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have over 7,000 pieces of mail on my inbox  from people on phones, macs, 
>>> pc's, androids etc - lots of links.. none in subject line -- all in body  - 
>>> and I think there must be good reason for it. - I've queried my techies.. 
>>> stay tuned
>>> 
>>> a
>>> 
>>> ---she wrote ---
>>> Your friends are different from mine. They are totally live links. I just 
>>> click on it in subject line. You will just have to forgive me when I don’t 
>>> remember next time. It is how I always do it. Just what I am accustomed to 
>>> sending and receiving.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: a puzzlement.. http://www.example.com

2018-06-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

It does work as a hot link on all my systems and browsers. This is a limitation 
of the system and app configuration you're using, that's all. 

G

> On Jun 29, 2018, at 2:43 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> That's interesting, but I couldn't use the link  above without highlighting, 
> copying and opening my browser to paste it..
> My friend claims it works as a hot link -

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Re: a puzzlement.. http://www.example.com

2018-06-29 Thread ann sanfedele

That's interesting, but I couldn't use the link  above without 
highlighting, copying and opening my browser to paste it..

My friend claims it works as a hot link -

ann

On 6/29/2018 4:46 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

I post links in the subject line to my home email from my work one, and vice 
versa quite often. It works fine on every platform I use,  including Outlook, 
ios mail and others


On 29 Jun 2018, at 21:22, ann sanfedele  wrote:




On 6/29/2018 3:46 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote:
Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person understand the 
difference between subject line and main text.

J - this was an exchange with her - I had asked if she would put her links in 
body next time...   I'm wondering if it has to do with people perpetually 
texting each other...

she has an I phone I believe.   I would say this was the first time she sent me 
link -- normally an email from her has a comment of some sort, elaborated on in 
the body, but
always from her phone..   I have to admit to being annoyed at her "you're friend are 
different than mine" crack.

It seems to me not a good practice - but maybe if you are texting back and 
forth all the time sticking a hyerplink in a subject line is somehow easier .

On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:24 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I have over 7,000 pieces of mail on my inbox  from people on phones, macs, 
pc's, androids etc - lots of links.. none in subject line -- all in body  - and 
I think there must be good reason for it. - I've queried my techies.. stay tuned

a

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Your friends are different from mine. They are totally live links. I just click 
on it in subject line. You will just have to forgive me when I don’t remember 
next time. It is how I always do it. Just what I am accustomed to sending and 
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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread Darren Addy

I agree with Mark Roberts sentiments.

Interesting question Ann. So I decided to try it from my gmail
account. I typed http://www.theautodolly.com (one of my employer's web
sites) into the Gmail subject line and sent it to two recipents:
Myself via a different Gmail account and my work account which I
access via Outlook on a Windows machine.
As I expected, the subject line was NOT clickable in Gmail.
However, I was surprised to see it as a blue underlined link at the
top of the opened Outlook mail message. Clicking it did indeed take me
to a web site.
I don't believe I've ever seen that before and did not know it was possible.

My next question would be whether there is some way to put code in a
subject line so that a link APPEARED to go one place, but actually
went another. THAT would be especially dangerous, as you might think
you were going somewhere safe and instead be doing the opposite.
Outlook does not show you the actual destination of a link in the
subject line (anywhere that I can see).

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> Whether or not putting a link in the subject like *works* is neither
> here nor there. It's not accepted practice to send links that way and
> I'd say it's a bad idea from a security standpoint for anyone
> *receiving* such a message to click a link in a subject line. Too easy
> to get in the habit of clicking such links and eventually get sent
> somewhere bad by any of the all-too-numerous scumbags on the net.
>
> Tell your friend to stop it for everyone's sake.
>
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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

It's a short cut, Ann … rather than writing a note that requires a text body, 
you just send the link as the subject line. Clicking it in every system and 
browser I have available to me (iOS and macOS) just wakes up the web browser 
with a new page that the link points to. 

I used this short cut rather a lot when I was at the office … it's an efficient 
way to pass links around when you have been in progress in a related 
conversation already. Doing it via txt messages works too, but email is more 
secure. 

G

> On Jun 28, 2018, at 4:17 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart phone 
> (I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the link --in the 
> subject line--
> nothing in the body  except "sent from my phone"
> 
> so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste. when I 
> told her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said she and all her 
> friends send each other
> links in subject lines and copy and paste.   she has a Gmail account - her 
> seldom used laptop is a mac.
> 
> Is this Brave New World?she asked me if what I told her was "a microsoft 
> thing".
> 
> finding this rather odd.
> 
> ann

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread Jostein Øksne

Abducted by typography terrorists.


Den 29. juni 2018 22.39.25 CEST, skrev mike wilson :
>
>> On 29 June 2018 at 20:46 Jostein Øksne  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person
>understand the difference between subject line and main text.
>> 
>> Jodtein
>
>Jodtein!  How's your brother?
>
>> 
>> Den 29. juni 2018 01.17.24 CEST, skrev ann sanfedele
>:
>> >a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart
>> >phone 
>> >(I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the link
>--in 
>> >the subject line--
>> >nothing in the body  except "sent from my phone"
>> >
>> >so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste.
>when
>> >
>> >I told her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said she
>and
>> >
>> >all her friends send each other
>> >links in subject lines and copy and paste.   she has a Gmail account
>- 
>> >her seldom used laptop is a mac.
>> >
>> >Is this Brave New World?she asked me if what I told her was "a 
>> >microsoft thing".
>> >
>> >finding this rather odd.
>> >
>> >ann
>>

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread lrc

PEBKAC 

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980506

A related step, though not necessarily about your friend, the two strips are 
often paired

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990211


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On June 29, 2018 12:46:36 PM PDT, "Jostein Øksne"  wrote:
>Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person understand
>the difference between subject line and main text.
>
>Jodtein
>
>Den 29. juni 2018 01.17.24 CEST, skrev ann sanfedele
>:
>>a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart
>>phone 
>>(I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the link --in
>
>>the subject line--
>>nothing in the body  except "sent from my phone"
>>
>>so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste.
>when
>>
>>I told her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said she
>and
>>
>>all her friends send each other
>>links in subject lines and copy and paste.   she has a Gmail account -
>
>>her seldom used laptop is a mac.
>>
>>Is this Brave New World?    she asked me if what I told her was "a 
>>microsoft thing".
>>
>>finding this rather odd.
>>
>>ann
>
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Re: a puzzlement.. http://www.example.com

2018-06-29 Thread Bob W-PDML

I post links in the subject line to my home email from my work one, and vice 
versa quite often. It works fine on every platform I use,  including Outlook, 
ios mail and others

> On 29 Jun 2018, at 21:22, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6/29/2018 3:46 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote:
>> Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person understand the 
>> difference between subject line and main text.
> 
> J - this was an exchange with her - I had asked if she would put her links in 
> body next time...   I'm wondering if it has to do with people perpetually 
> texting each other...
> 
> she has an I phone I believe.   I would say this was the first time she sent 
> me link -- normally an email from her has a comment of some sort, elaborated 
> on in the body, but
> always from her phone..   I have to admit to being annoyed at her "you're 
> friend are different than mine" crack.
> 
> It seems to me not a good practice - but maybe if you are texting back and 
> forth all the time sticking a hyerplink in a subject line is somehow easier .
> 
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:24 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I have over 7,000 pieces of mail on my inbox  from people on phones, macs, 
> pc's, androids etc - lots of links.. none in subject line -- all in body  - 
> and I think there must be good reason for it. - I've queried my techies.. 
> stay tuned
> 
> a
> 
> ---she wrote ---
> Your friends are different from mine. They are totally live links. I just 
> click on it in subject line. You will just have to forgive me when I don’t 
> remember next time. It is how I always do it. Just what I am accustomed to 
> sending and receiving.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread Mark Roberts

Whether or not putting a link in the subject like *works* is neither
here nor there. It's not accepted practice to send links that way and
I'd say it's a bad idea from a security standpoint for anyone
*receiving* such a message to click a link in a subject line. Too easy
to get in the habit of clicking such links and eventually get sent
somewhere bad by any of the all-too-numerous scumbags on the net.

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread mike wilson


> On 29 June 2018 at 20:46 Jostein Øksne  wrote:
> 
> 
> Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person understand the 
> difference between subject line and main text.
> 
> Jodtein

Jodtein!  How's your brother?

> 
> Den 29. juni 2018 01.17.24 CEST, skrev ann sanfedele :
> >a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart
> >phone 
> >(I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the link --in 
> >the subject line--
> >nothing in the body  except "sent from my phone"
> >
> >so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste. when
> >
> >I told her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said she and
> >
> >all her friends send each other
> >links in subject lines and copy and paste.   she has a Gmail account - 
> >her seldom used laptop is a mac.
> >
> >Is this Brave New World?she asked me if what I told her was "a 
> >microsoft thing".
> >
> >finding this rather odd.
> >
> >ann
>

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread mike wilson


> On 29 June 2018 at 21:21 ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/29/2018 3:46 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote:
> > Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person understand the 
> > difference between subject line and main text.
> 
> J - this was an exchange with her - I had asked if she would put her links in 
> body next time...   I'm wondering if it has to do with people perpetually 
> texting each other...
> 
> she has an I phone I believe.   I would say this was the first time she 
> sent me link -- normally an email from her has a comment of some sort, 
> elaborated on in the body, but
> always from her phone..   I have to admit to being annoyed at her 
> "you're friend are different than mine" crack.

Don't worry - we take it as a compliment.  Especially as it's semi-literate.

> 
> It seems to me not a good practice - but maybe if you are texting back 
> and forth all the time sticking a hyerplink in a subject line is somehow 
> easier .
> 
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:24 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I have over 7,000 pieces of mail on my inbox  from people on phones, macs, 
> pc's, androids etc - lots of links.. none in subject line -- all in body  - 
> and I think there must be good reason for it. - I've queried my techies.. 
> stay tuned
> 
> a
> 
> ---she wrote ---
> Your friends are different from mine. They are totally live links. I just 
> click on it in subject line. You will just have to forgive me when I don’t 
> remember next time. It is how I always do it. Just what I am accustomed to 
> sending and receiving.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread ann sanfedele





On 6/29/2018 3:46 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person understand the 
difference between subject line and main text.


J - this was an exchange with her - I had asked if she would put her links in 
body next time...   I'm wondering if it has to do with people perpetually 
texting each other...

she has an I phone I believe.   I would say this was the first time she 
sent me link -- normally an email from her has a comment of some sort, 
elaborated on in the body, but
always from her phone..   I have to admit to being annoyed at her 
"you're friend are different than mine" crack.


It seems to me not a good practice - but maybe if you are texting back 
and forth all the time sticking a hyerplink in a subject line is somehow 
easier .


On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:24 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I have over 7,000 pieces of mail on my inbox  from people on phones, macs, 
pc's, androids etc - lots of links.. none in subject line -- all in body  - and 
I think there must be good reason for it. - I've queried my techies.. stay tuned

a

---she wrote ---
Your friends are different from mine. They are totally live links. I just click 
on it in subject line. You will just have to forgive me when I don’t remember 
next time. It is how I always do it. Just what I am accustomed to sending and 
receiving.

Sent from my iPhone





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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-29 Thread Jostein Øksne

Puzzling answer. Not all together convinced that the person understand the 
difference between subject line and main text.

Jodtein

Den 29. juni 2018 01.17.24 CEST, skrev ann sanfedele :
>a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart
>phone 
>(I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the link --in 
>the subject line--
>nothing in the body  except "sent from my phone"
>
>so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste. when
>
>I told her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said she and
>
>all her friends send each other
>links in subject lines and copy and paste.   she has a Gmail account - 
>her seldom used laptop is a mac.
>
>Is this Brave New World?    she asked me if what I told her was "a 
>microsoft thing".
>
>finding this rather odd.
>
>ann

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-28 Thread ann sanfedele

hmm that's an idea... she certainly goes for text city... but none of  
my young friends have ever done it..  This lady is in her 60'sbut in 
love with her Iphone.


ann

On 6/28/2018 10:05 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
Sounds like something younger people who do a lot of texting might 
come up with. I've never heard of it, but I don't have a "smart" phone.


On 6/28/2018 19:17, ann sanfedele wrote:
a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart 
phone (I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the 
link --in the subject line--

nothing in the bodyï¿½ except "sent from my phone"

so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste. 
when I told her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said 
she and all her friends send each other
links in subject lines and copy and paste.ï¿½ï¿½ she has a Gmail 
account - her seldom used laptop is a mac.


Is this Brave New World?ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ she asked me if what I told her was 
"a microsoft thing".


finding this rather odd.

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Re: a puzzlement..

2018-06-28 Thread John Sessoms

Sounds like something younger people who do a lot of texting might come up with. 
I've never heard of it, but I don't have a "smart" phone.


On 6/28/2018 19:17, ann sanfedele wrote:
a friend of mine wanted to show me someone's web page. has a smart phone 
(I_phone) and the email sent from her phone came up with the link --in the 
subject line--

nothing in the bodyï¿½ except "sent from my phone"

so instead of clicking it - I had to highlight and copy and paste. when I told 
her that links belonged in the body of the mail she said she and all her friends 
send each other
links in subject lines and copy and paste.ï¿½ï¿½ she has a Gmail account - her 
seldom used laptop is a mac.


Is this Brave New World?ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ she asked me if what I told her was "a microsoft 
thing".


finding this rather odd.

ann



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Re: A puzzlement...

2017-01-18 Thread John


It's a known problem with Yahoo & email lists. Yahoo adds some kind of
marker to mailing list messages suggesting they *might* be spam.

Gmail sees that marker & decides they *are* spam.

There doesn't seem to be any way to tell Gmail that Yahoo is EFFED-UP
and vice versa. Nor does there appear to be any way to tell Yahoo to NOT
add the marker.

Don't ask me for details, I'm just repeating what I remember of the
explanation given here when it first started happening a couple years back.


On 1/18/2017 12:30 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

"*Why is this message in Spam?* It has a from address in yahoo.com but has
failed yahoo.com's required tests for authentication.  Learn more
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Same here.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Gonz  wrote:


Mine did too.


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:

My gmail marked this message as SPAM.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:23 PM, John Sessoms 
wrote:


On 1/16/2017 7:31 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:


I see from the archives at this hour (7:20 pm EST)  there have been 50
posts to PDML today , 1/16/17
However, I only have 26 in my PDML folder... which includes one of two
posts that I made in reply to someone else...

Has anyone any clue why this could be happening?  Doug, I worry that my
serve is bouncing mail, though I have no blocks at all in my settings ,
and
I'll be out again.. at least I can see the archives...

I need help talking to Spectrum, I think, in words they will
understand... sigh.

ann



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Re: A puzzlement...

2017-01-18 Thread John

Yahoo & Gmail don't play nice together, especially when mailing lists 
are involved.


On 1/18/2017 1:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

My gmail marked this message as SPAM.

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:23 PM, John Sessoms 
wrote:


On 1/16/2017 7:31 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:


I see from the archives at this hour (7:20 pm EST)  there have been 50
posts to PDML today , 1/16/17
However, I only have 26 in my PDML folder... which includes one of two
posts that I made in reply to someone else...

Has anyone any clue why this could be happening?  Doug, I worry that my
serve is bouncing mail, though I have no blocks at all in my settings ,
and
I'll be out again.. at least I can see the archives...

I need help talking to Spectrum, I think, in words they will
understand... sigh.

ann



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Re: A puzzlement...

2017-01-18 Thread Charles Robinson

"*Why is this message in Spam?* It has a from address in yahoo.com but has
failed yahoo.com's required tests for authentication.  Learn more
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Same here.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Gonz  wrote:

> Mine did too.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
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> >
> > Dan Matyola
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> >
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:23 PM, John Sessoms 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/16/2017 7:31 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
> >>
> >>> I see from the archives at this hour (7:20 pm EST)  there have been 50
> >>> posts to PDML today , 1/16/17
> >>> However, I only have 26 in my PDML folder... which includes one of two
> >>> posts that I made in reply to someone else...
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone any clue why this could be happening?  Doug, I worry that my
> >>> serve is bouncing mail, though I have no blocks at all in my settings ,
> >>> and
> >>> I'll be out again.. at least I can see the archives...
> >>>
> >>> I need help talking to Spectrum, I think, in words they will
> >>> understand... sigh.
> >>>
> >>> ann
> >>>
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> >> Yahoo account.
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Re: A puzzlement...

2017-01-18 Thread Gonz

Mine did too.


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
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> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:23 PM, John Sessoms 
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>
>> On 1/16/2017 7:31 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
>>
>>> I see from the archives at this hour (7:20 pm EST)  there have been 50
>>> posts to PDML today , 1/16/17
>>> However, I only have 26 in my PDML folder... which includes one of two
>>> posts that I made in reply to someone else...
>>>
>>> Has anyone any clue why this could be happening?  Doug, I worry that my
>>> serve is bouncing mail, though I have no blocks at all in my settings ,
>>> and
>>> I'll be out again.. at least I can see the archives...
>>>
>>> I need help talking to Spectrum, I think, in words they will
>>> understand... sigh.
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
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Re: A puzzlement...

2017-01-17 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

My gmail marked this message as SPAM.

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:23 PM, John Sessoms 
wrote:

> On 1/16/2017 7:31 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
>
>> I see from the archives at this hour (7:20 pm EST)  there have been 50
>> posts to PDML today , 1/16/17
>> However, I only have 26 in my PDML folder... which includes one of two
>> posts that I made in reply to someone else...
>>
>> Has anyone any clue why this could be happening?  Doug, I worry that my
>> serve is bouncing mail, though I have no blocks at all in my settings ,
>> and
>> I'll be out again.. at least I can see the archives...
>>
>> I need help talking to Spectrum, I think, in words they will
>> understand... sigh.
>>
>> ann
>>
>>
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Re: A puzzlement...

2017-01-17 Thread ann sanfedele

John - I got all three emails to me directly and this one through the 
list...
Checking the archives tonight I'm still not getting all the posts I see 
in the archives, but I am getting all mine through the list...

maybe it's settling down..

thanks for your help

ann


On 1/17/2017 11:23 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

On 1/16/2017 7:31 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I see from the archives at this hour (7:20 pm EST)  there have been 50
posts to PDML today , 1/16/17
However, I only have 26 in my PDML folder... which includes one of two
posts that I made in reply to someone else...

Has anyone any clue why this could be happening?  Doug, I worry that my
serve is bouncing mail, though I have no blocks at all in my settings 
, and

I'll be out again.. at least I can see the archives...

I need help talking to Spectrum, I think, in words they will
understand... sigh.

ann



This is my attempt to respond to your message through the list from my 
Yahoo account.





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Re: A puzzlement...

2017-01-17 Thread John Sessoms


On 1/16/2017 7:31 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I see from the archives at this hour (7:20 pm EST)  there have been 50
posts to PDML today , 1/16/17
However, I only have 26 in my PDML folder... which includes one of two
posts that I made in reply to someone else...

Has anyone any clue why this could be happening?  Doug, I worry that my
serve is bouncing mail, though I have no blocks at all in my settings , and
I'll be out again.. at least I can see the archives...

I need help talking to Spectrum, I think, in words they will
understand... sigh.

ann



This is my attempt to respond to your message through the list from my 
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Re: A puzzlement...

2017-01-17 Thread John


On 1/16/2017 7:31 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I see from the archives at this hour (7:20 pm EST)  there have been 50
posts to PDML today , 1/16/17
However, I only have 26 in my PDML folder... which includes one of two
posts that I made in reply to someone else...

Has anyone any clue why this could be happening?  Doug, I worry that my
serve is bouncing mail, though I have no blocks at all in my settings , and
I'll be out again.. at least I can see the archives...

I need help talking to Spectrum, I think, in words they will
understand... sigh.

ann




Ann, I'm going to try replying to you both directly & through the list.
Maybe it will help you figure out which messages get through & which don't.

I'll try to use each of my three email addresses for the direct
responses and my Yahoo & Earthlink email for responses through the list
(my RoadRunner address is not subscribed to the list).

This is the first response through the list using my Earthlink email.

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Re: Pixel Puzzlement

2004-11-17 Thread Sam Jost

A pixel is as large as you print it.
For me an image got pixels. And depending on the size I'm showing it at I'll 
get different ppi
ppi=pixel/size

I don't care at all about ppi. When I order a print I order a specific size, 
and no matter what ppi values I got in my image I'll get that size. Same 
with showing on monitor - I'll just show the picture at some specific size 
and don't care about ppi.

Most image editing programs work well with this attitude - if they offer a 
ppi setting they mostly just store the value you enter and don't do anything 
with it. The only exception I know about is Photoshop which annoyed me 
mightily by resizing my picture when I changed the ppi setting.
But since most use PS I met a lot of people who change ppi settings for 
resizing pictures. Very confusing way to resize a picture in my book, but 
hey, thats just me.

ah well, enough disgression. About your second example, the same picture 
scanned with 1000ppi instead of 100ppi will have lots more (10^2) pixels, 
and if you print both at the same size the 1000ppi-pixels will be smaller. 
Just more pixel crammed into the same space, as you yourself already noted, 
yes.

Sam
- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 6:09 PM
Subject: Pixel Puzzlement


I've been pondering this perplexing pixel problem for a while, and thought
that someone here may have the answer: How large is a pixel?
What I mean is this.  If there's an image that has a resolution of 72ppi,
typical for web presentation, and another image, from a scanned version of
the same source, of 4000ppi, are the pixels in each image the same size?
It doesn't seem possible, since if 72 pixels make up an inch each
individual pixel would seem to be larger than if there were 4000 pixels in
the same space.  But then, if an image has more pixels per inch than
another image, why is the image larger.  Example: one scans a photo @
100ppi and again @ 1000ppi, the 1000ppi scan has greater dimensions, but,
it seems to me, it's just crammed more pixels into the same space, and the
dimensions should be the same, right?
Shel

RE: Pixel Puzzlement

2004-11-17 Thread Don Sanderson

A pixel has no dimensions, it is just a piece of data.
It is given dimension by the output device whether that be printer,
monitor or whatever.
A pixel displayed on a monitor at 72dpi is very large indeed compared
to the same pixel printed on a 1200dpi printer at 1200ppi.
Note that ppi refers to a desired output size and dpi refers to the
*capability of an output device such as printer or monitor.
A decent photo quality print would be at least 300ppi, printed on a
printer capable of at least 1200dpi.
2008x3008 pixels does not in any way refer to image size, it simply
states that there are 6,040,064 picture elements in the image.
How many ppi this is sized to or how many dpi it is displayed at
is dependent on the software/hardware used.
(Clear as mud?) ;-)

Don

 -Original Message-
 From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:09 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Pixel Puzzlement


 I've been pondering this perplexing pixel problem for a while, and thought
 that someone here may have the answer: How large is a pixel?

 What I mean is this.  If there's an image that has a resolution of 72ppi,
 typical for web presentation, and another image, from a scanned version of
 the same source, of 4000ppi, are the pixels in each image the same size?
 It doesn't seem possible, since if 72 pixels make up an inch each
 individual pixel would seem to be larger than if there were 4000 pixels in
 the same space.  But then, if an image has more pixels per inch than
 another image, why is the image larger.  Example: one scans a photo @
 100ppi and again @ 1000ppi, the 1000ppi scan has greater dimensions, but,
 it seems to me, it's just crammed more pixels into the same space, and the
 dimensions should be the same, right?


 Shel

Re: Pixel Puzzlement

2004-11-17 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

The issue is the definition of terms.
Pixel may at times mean the display characteristic
and at other times mean the sensor characteristic.
There may even be more that I'm not aware of.
It should always be understood in its immediate context 
as it is a very broad term.

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RE: Pixel Puzzlement

2004-11-17 Thread Jens Bladt

I have read at www.shortcources.com that a pixel (in an image) does not have
a size - it's a code in a computer, not a real physical thing. I believe
that's what you are saying as well. How big it's seen depends on the
ppi-resolution - how you print or see it on a screen.

But that's not quite true:
On the camera sensor the photdiodes (pixels) really have a size. In a * ist
D 3008 pixels is sitting on an app. 24mm wide sensor. This means the
original size of a pixel is something like 24mm/3008 = 0,008 mm. So, the
resolution is close to 3200 ppi (pixel pr. inch) :-)

Every time you enlarge the image, the ppi will fall (provided there's no
interpolation). Making the printer do the job, just means that the
printer/printer driver does the interpolation to make the image fit the
sheet of paper at a chosen ppi.

Jens Bladt
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-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Sam Jost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 17. november 2004 18:47
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Pixel Puzzlement


A pixel is as large as you print it.

For me an image got pixels. And depending on the size I'm showing it at I'll
get different ppi
ppi=pixel/size

I don't care at all about ppi. When I order a print I order a specific size,
and no matter what ppi values I got in my image I'll get that size. Same
with showing on monitor - I'll just show the picture at some specific size
and don't care about ppi.


Most image editing programs work well with this attitude - if they offer a
ppi setting they mostly just store the value you enter and don't do anything
with it. The only exception I know about is Photoshop which annoyed me
mightily by resizing my picture when I changed the ppi setting.
But since most use PS I met a lot of people who change ppi settings for
resizing pictures. Very confusing way to resize a picture in my book, but
hey, thats just me.

ah well, enough disgression. About your second example, the same picture
scanned with 1000ppi instead of 100ppi will have lots more (10^2) pixels,
and if you print both at the same size the 1000ppi-pixels will be smaller.
Just more pixel crammed into the same space, as you yourself already noted,
yes.

Sam

- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 6:09 PM
Subject: Pixel Puzzlement


 I've been pondering this perplexing pixel problem for a while, and thought
 that someone here may have the answer: How large is a pixel?

 What I mean is this.  If there's an image that has a resolution of 72ppi,
 typical for web presentation, and another image, from a scanned version of
 the same source, of 4000ppi, are the pixels in each image the same size?
 It doesn't seem possible, since if 72 pixels make up an inch each
 individual pixel would seem to be larger than if there were 4000 pixels in
 the same space.  But then, if an image has more pixels per inch than
 another image, why is the image larger.  Example: one scans a photo @
 100ppi and again @ 1000ppi, the 1000ppi scan has greater dimensions, but,
 it seems to me, it's just crammed more pixels into the same space, and the
 dimensions should be the same, right?


 Shel

Re: Pixel Puzzlement

2004-11-17 Thread Doug Franklin

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:09:20 -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 I've been pondering this perplexing pixel problem for a while, and thought
 that someone here may have the answer: How large is a pixel?  

A pixel in a file is dimensionless.  The dimensions of a rendered pixel
are defined by the rendering surface and the rendering algorithm.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Pixel Puzzlement

2004-11-17 Thread Doug Franklin

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:48:26 -0500, Doug Franklin wrote:

 On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:09:20 -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
  I've been pondering this perplexing pixel problem for a while, and thought
  that someone here may have the answer: How large is a pixel?  
 
 A pixel in a file is dimensionless.  The dimensions of a rendered pixel
 are defined by the rendering surface and the rendering algorithm.

And the dimensions of a sensed pixel are defined by the sensory
surface.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Pixel Puzzlement

2004-11-17 Thread Larry Cook

A pixel has no set dimension as has already been stated. The physical 
characteristics of the device being used determines the size of a pixel. 
On a 72dpi monitor a pixel is 1/72nd inch squared. On a 600dpi printer a 
pixel is 1/600th inch squared. And so on and so forth.

Now if you take an image that is 3inch by 4inch on the display and print 
it directly on a printer without any conversion then the resulting 
printed image would be 216pixels x 288pixels which would be 216/600 inch 
x 288/600 inch which is kind of small. If instead the image is printed 
to be 3x4 inches then it will be a 1800x2400pixel image which means 
interpolation of some kind will be used to determine the values of the 
extra pixels needed.

Larry Cook

Re: Pixel Puzzlement

2004-11-17 Thread Kenneth Waller

A decent photo quality print would be at least 300ppi, printed on a
printer capable of at least 1200dpi

Ahem... check your numbers.
I guess it depends on what you mean by decent photo quality.

I've printed hundreds of images @ 240 to 300ppi on Epson printers with lower
than 1200dpi capability and I've gotten better than decent results.

Sold a bunch also.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: Pixel Puzzlement


 A pixel has no dimensions, it is just a piece of data.
 It is given dimension by the output device whether that be printer,
 monitor or whatever.
 A pixel displayed on a monitor at 72dpi is very large indeed compared
 to the same pixel printed on a 1200dpi printer at 1200ppi.
 Note that ppi refers to a desired output size and dpi refers to the
 *capability of an output device such as printer or monitor.
 A decent photo quality print would be at least 300ppi, printed on a
 printer capable of at least 1200dpi.
 2008x3008 pixels does not in any way refer to image size, it simply
 states that there are 6,040,064 picture elements in the image.
 How many ppi this is sized to or how many dpi it is displayed at
 is dependent on the software/hardware used.
 (Clear as mud?) ;-)

 Don

  -Original Message-
  From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:09 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Pixel Puzzlement
 
 
  I've been pondering this perplexing pixel problem for a while, and
thought
  that someone here may have the answer: How large is a pixel?
 
  What I mean is this.  If there's an image that has a resolution of
72ppi,
  typical for web presentation, and another image, from a scanned version
of
  the same source, of 4000ppi, are the pixels in each image the same size?
  It doesn't seem possible, since if 72 pixels make up an inch each
  individual pixel would seem to be larger than if there were 4000 pixels
in
  the same space.  But then, if an image has more pixels per inch than
  another image, why is the image larger.  Example: one scans a photo @
  100ppi and again @ 1000ppi, the 1000ppi scan has greater dimensions,
but,
  it seems to me, it's just crammed more pixels into the same space, and
the
  dimensions should be the same, right?
 
 
  Shel

RE: Pixel Puzzlement

2004-11-17 Thread Jens Bladt

As I said before, if you print you *ist D image at app. 3200ppi, the size of
the image will be app. the original, recorded size = app. 16x24mm.
The pixel size is then app. 0,008mm. The area 24x16mm/600 pixels = app.
0,6 mm² which is 6/100.000 mm². Or a little less than 1/10.000 mm². This
is simple math, isn't it?

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Kenneth Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 18. november 2004 03:05
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Pixel Puzzlement


A decent photo quality print would be at least 300ppi, printed on a
printer capable of at least 1200dpi

Ahem... check your numbers.
I guess it depends on what you mean by decent photo quality.

I've printed hundreds of images @ 240 to 300ppi on Epson printers with lower
than 1200dpi capability and I've gotten better than decent results.

Sold a bunch also.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: Pixel Puzzlement


 A pixel has no dimensions, it is just a piece of data.
 It is given dimension by the output device whether that be printer,
 monitor or whatever.
 A pixel displayed on a monitor at 72dpi is very large indeed compared
 to the same pixel printed on a 1200dpi printer at 1200ppi.
 Note that ppi refers to a desired output size and dpi refers to the
 *capability of an output device such as printer or monitor.
 A decent photo quality print would be at least 300ppi, printed on a
 printer capable of at least 1200dpi.
 2008x3008 pixels does not in any way refer to image size, it simply
 states that there are 6,040,064 picture elements in the image.
 How many ppi this is sized to or how many dpi it is displayed at
 is dependent on the software/hardware used.
 (Clear as mud?) ;-)

 Don

  -Original Message-
  From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:09 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Pixel Puzzlement
 
 
  I've been pondering this perplexing pixel problem for a while, and
thought
  that someone here may have the answer: How large is a pixel?
 
  What I mean is this.  If there's an image that has a resolution of
72ppi,
  typical for web presentation, and another image, from a scanned version
of
  the same source, of 4000ppi, are the pixels in each image the same size?
  It doesn't seem possible, since if 72 pixels make up an inch each
  individual pixel would seem to be larger than if there were 4000 pixels
in
  the same space.  But then, if an image has more pixels per inch than
  another image, why is the image larger.  Example: one scans a photo @
  100ppi and again @ 1000ppi, the 1000ppi scan has greater dimensions,
but,
  it seems to me, it's just crammed more pixels into the same space, and
the
  dimensions should be the same, right?
 
 
  Shel

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