Re: New Camera
Thanks for the responses. The used route is a possibility for me - for her, I'm not so sure. I went back to her with the options of a used camera but I'm not sure she's sure that it's actually going to happen. Thanks!! Ed On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 9:56 AM Ed Keeney wrote: > > My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera > for Christmas. I took a quick look at B to get the entry level > camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony. > > Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600 > depending on the lens kit included. Sony and Pentax (K70) both start > round $700 for a single lens kit. > > Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who > might lose the photo bug in a short time. > > Am I missing something? > > Thanks! > Ed > http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ridgewood_photog > Instagram: @ridgewood.photog -- Thanks! Ed http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney https://www.flickr.com/photos/ridgewood_photog Instagram: @ridgewood.photog -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Camera
Ya know with a used lens from KEH and my K10D he'd have a decent starter kit. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Subject: Re: New Camera Ken's k10? I also saw a kr at keh for about the same price, better low light performer, not as nice of a ui. On October 26, 2018 6:56:53 AM PDT, Ed Keeney wrote: My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera for Christmas. I took a quick look at B to get the entry level camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony. Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600 depending on the lens kit included. Sony and Pentax (K70) both start round $700 for a single lens kit. Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who might lose the photo bug in a short time. Am I missing something? Thanks! Ed http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney https://www.flickr.com/photos/ridgewood_photog Instagram: @ridgewood.photog -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Camera
Ed,
I often get asked this type of questions by friends.
While I am myself a big fan of the SLRs I have (and had before), - today,
I would not suggest a DSLR as the first camera in the case like yours.
Here is my earlier response on this list to a similar question from Eric:
http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2018-March/443539.html
where I explain why.
Even though that was written for a 12-y.o., practically all the same
thoughts are applicable to a 15-y.o.
So, I would suggest either one of the micro-2/3 cameras, if the
interchangeable lenses are desired, or a well-capable ("more advanced")
P, - such that offers manual control for most parameters (almost the
same as in case of an SLR or rangefinder).
In case of a P, I'd suggest to buy a camera with a fast lens (f/2.0 or
faster, -- there are a few cams with 1.4 or 1.7).
A faster lens typically shortens the reach of the zoom.
But the practice shows that typically, you don't use as much of the long
end of a P "superzoom" (the image quality is not as good, and
you are not buying a P for birding), but you'd appreciate
a fast lens.
For about 10 years, I've been following the models of the advanced P's
(but stopped in the past ~3 years). We usually had one either for my wife
or as a camera for me when I cannot take a DSLR (e.g. on a snow mountain).
Brand- and model-wise, for a P, I'd look at the Lumix LX line, -
currently it is Lumix LX10, or Canon Powershot: G7 X Mark II at this
point, or its predecessor, that is still available and cheaper, - G7 X.
These two model lines have been very close to each other, - but somehow
I've always made a choice in favor of Lumix, and never regretted.
I don't know the most recent micro-2/3rds models, but I am sure some
people on this list can recommend those.
You might also want to see what other PDMLers wrote in that earlier thread:
http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2018-March/thread.html
(That thread is about 1/3 down on that page, with the subject "Cameras for
a kid")
Now, let me comment on the C, N, and P lower-end (D)SLRs.
While I haven't looked at those in the past 3-4 years, my experience from
the previous 20 years form my opinion that the lowest end Canon DSLRs (and
SLRs),- "Digital Rebel" (and Rebel before that) are a bad choice.
They are made cheaply, and are not as good performers as the counterparts
from Nikon and Pentax. Canon good cameras are their high-end models (And I
don't have sufficient experience with Canon mid-level models.) It seems
that the intent of those cameras is to hook people on Canon brand with a
low price, and lock them in there, expecting the need for an upgrade.
In contrast, the low-end Pentax and Nikon have been good, solid performers.
I hope this helps.
Best regards,
Igor
Ed Keeney Fri, 26 Oct 2018 06:57:59 -0700 wrote:
My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera
for Christmas. I took a quick look at B to get the entry level
camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony.
Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600
depending on the lens kit included. Sony and Pentax (K70) both start
round $700 for a single lens kit.
Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who
might lose the photo bug in a short time.
Am I missing something?
Thanks!
Ed
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Re: New Camera
The K-70 is a better all around camera than Nikon and Canon entry level systems. I haven't looked at Canon's bottom tier Rebels lately but earlier ones had crappy viewfinders and not particularly great IQ in addition to having smaller sensors, plus feeling decidedly plasticy. The Nikons have a lot fewer features and IIRC their bottom rung D3xxx series is pretty hobbled by it's feature set, and their viewfinder again isn't the best. They're not as cheap feeling as the Canons were though. I have an analogy here. When I was just a wee youth, my parents paid for guitar lessons, and an inexpensive instrument. The one I picked out was obviously the nicest I could find, it just looked good, but what did I know about guitars. I didn't realize until much later that I was always cutting my fingers on the strings because they were positioned too far from the fretboard. Because of that I never enjoyed playing and gave it up. My point is, if the equipment is unpleasant to use, it will kill a new users enthusiasm as fast as anything. On 10/26/2018 9:56 AM, Ed Keeney wrote: My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera for Christmas. I took a quick look at B to get the entry level camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony. Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600 depending on the lens kit included. Sony and Pentax (K70) both start round $700 for a single lens kit. Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who might lose the photo bug in a short time. Am I missing something? Thanks! Ed http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney https://www.flickr.com/photos/ridgewood_photog Instagram: @ridgewood.photog -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Camera
I have a K5 that looks like new, with the original box (nice condition), the strap, charger, cables, instruction manual and battery, all in the box and never used. Not sure of the shutter count, but it was my backup and I don’t think I used it a lot. Can’t get a count on my shutter count, and since I have a Mac the EXIF reader won’t work. You can have it for $250 or $300 with a battery grip. Paul > On Oct 26, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Ed Keeney wrote: > > My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera > for Christmas. I took a quick look at B to get the entry level > camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony. > > Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600 > depending on the lens kit included. Sony and Pentax (K70) both start > round $700 for a single lens kit. > > Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who > might lose the photo bug in a short time. > > Am I missing something? > > Thanks! > Ed > http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ridgewood_photog > Instagram: @ridgewood.photog > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Camera
Does the "kit" composition, perhaps, explain a part of the difference? J Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 26, 2018, at 6:56 AM, Ed Keeney wrote: > > My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera > for Christmas. I took a quick look at B to get the entry level > camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony. > > Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600 > depending on the lens kit included. Sony and Pentax (K70) both start > round $700 for a single lens kit. > > Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who > might lose the photo bug in a short time. > > Am I missing something? > > Thanks! > Ed > http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ridgewood_photog > Instagram: @ridgewood.photog > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Camera
Ken's k10? I also saw a kr at keh for about the same price, better low light performer, not as nice of a ui. On October 26, 2018 6:56:53 AM PDT, Ed Keeney wrote: >My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera >for Christmas. I took a quick look at B to get the entry level >camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony. > >Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600 >depending on the lens kit included. Sony and Pentax (K70) both start >round $700 for a single lens kit. > >Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who >might lose the photo bug in a short time. > >Am I missing something? > >Thanks! >Ed >http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney >https://www.flickr.com/photos/ridgewood_photog >Instagram: @ridgewood.photog > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera
On Feb 8, 2014, at 20:50 , CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: Got a Canon 7 rangefinder today. Never had one before. Can't figure out how to remove the lens. 50/1.4 Might be nice to try with a m39 adapter. According to this: http://www.cameramanuals.org/canon_pdf/canon_7_bell__howell.pdf There is a silver bayonet tightening ring close to the body which needs to be rotated counter-clockwise to release the lens. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera
Yes, it's a breech-lock mount. Godfrey On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Feb 8, 2014, at 20:50 , CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: Got a Canon 7 rangefinder today. Never had one before. Can't figure out how to remove the lens. 50/1.4 Might be nice to try with a m39 adapter. According to this: http://www.cameramanuals.org/canon_pdf/canon_7_bell__howell.pdf There is a silver bayonet tightening ring close to the body which needs to be rotated counter-clockwise to release the lens. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera
Am 24.06.2013 um 05:27 schrieb Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Thomas, it's hard for me to tell, without knowing where you live and what shops are available to you, but prices to Ricoh GXR system went down not long time ago. I'm in Germany. I looked at Amazon, which had the camera and a few lenses. And TeKaDe, which is a nice Pentax shop, where I got my current camera from. They only have a kit for the Ricoh GXR. There used to be also a shop called 1000 Töpfe but it closed a while ago. That is where I got my flash from. Thomas P.S. I really think the K-500 is my best bet at the moment. But we'll see, when the camera is actually available. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera
I would spend the extra $100 for the weather sealing. It is incredibly useful. Actually I would gladly take a k-5 over the k-50. Better IQ being the primary reason. On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de wrote: Am 24.06.2013 um 05:27 schrieb Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Thomas, it's hard for me to tell, without knowing where you live and what shops are available to you, but prices to Ricoh GXR system went down not long time ago. I'm in Germany. I looked at Amazon, which had the camera and a few lenses. And TeKaDe, which is a nice Pentax shop, where I got my current camera from. They only have a kit for the Ricoh GXR. There used to be also a shop called 1000 Töpfe but it closed a while ago. That is where I got my flash from. Thomas P.S. I really think the K-500 is my best bet at the moment. But we'll see, when the camera is actually available. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera
Am 22.06.2013 um 19:22 schrieb Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: But, Thomas, if you only need a camera body to put behind your 35 mm prime, then may be the likes of Ricoh GXR with the 33/2.5 (aka 50 macro) lensor module would suit you. Th GXR looks nice but there are either cheap kits (250 to 270 euros) or expensive lenses for 500 euros and more. The K-01 would be an alternative if it were not for the weird design of the camera (300 euros for the body). Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thomas, it's hard for me to tell, without knowing where you live and what shops are available to you, but prices to Ricoh GXR system went down not long time ago. Consider these prices: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/760802-REG/Ricoh_170393_GR_Lens_A12_50mm.html - USD 479 - the module I wrote about. http://www.adorama.com/US%20%20%20%20570836.html - USD 119 - used camera body. I couldn't come up with both camera and lens from the same merchant, as it seems that Ricoh system is being phased out or discontinued, but it seems you still can get a full kit for like USD 600. Boris On 6/23/2013 6:40 PM, Thomas Bohn wrote: Am 22.06.2013 um 19:22 schrieb Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: But, Thomas, if you only need a camera body to put behind your 35 mm prime, then may be the likes of Ricoh GXR with the 33/2.5 (aka 50 macro) lensor module would suit you. Th GXR looks nice but there are either cheap kits (250 to 270 euros) or expensive lenses for 500 euros and more. The K-01 would be an alternative if it were not for the weird design of the camera (300 euros for the body). Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera
Playing devil's advocate here. But, Thomas, if you only need a camera body to put behind your 35 mm prime, then may be the likes of Ricoh GXR with the 33/2.5 (aka 50 macro) lensor module would suit you. It is not AF speed devil, obviously, but given that it shares the sensor with K-x, K-r and several other cameras - it does produces wonderful photographs with just a small portion of size, weight and general bulk of DSLR, no matter how small the DSLR might be. Boris On 6/22/2013 12:55 AM, Thomas Bohn wrote: Hello, currently I use an K-m, which is nice but the auto focus of that camera is annoying. So I think it is time to think about something new. For me there are a few options. 1st, I get the new K-500, which should be a nice upgrade to my K-m. And should be cheap to get. 2nd, I get an K-50, has some enhancements to the K-500 like an electronic level but it is more expensive. 3rd, I get a K-30, it should be cheaper now and the difference to the K-50 seems minimal for my taste. My plan is actually to get rid of most of my equipment, I have not used my flash for while, I don't use my Kit lense and only my tripod is sometimes useful. So I really just need a body to go with my 35 mm prime lense. What do you think? Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera
I think the K-500 sounds like a terrific upgrade for you and I think the main benefit of the K-50 is really the weather sealing. Personally, I hate the looks of the K-30 and have heard some people don't care for its ergonomics (normally a Pentax advantage). On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de wrote: Hello, currently I use an K-m, which is nice but the auto focus of that camera is annoying. So I think it is time to think about something new. For me there are a few options. 1st, I get the new K-500, which should be a nice upgrade to my K-m. And should be cheap to get. 2nd, I get an K-50, has some enhancements to the K-500 like an electronic level but it is more expensive. 3rd, I get a K-30, it should be cheaper now and the difference to the K-50 seems minimal for my taste. My plan is actually to get rid of most of my equipment, I have not used my flash for while, I don't use my Kit lense and only my tripod is sometimes useful. So I really just need a body to go with my 35 mm prime lense. What do you think? Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera
Given the availability of the K5 at such a modest noted price, give it consideration. I wonder of the 50 and 500 are as quiet or would sport a battery grip. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera
Well, heck of course you need a body for your 35mm prime lens, I wouldn't be doing my job if I said otherwise. On 6/21/2013 5:55 PM, Thomas Bohn wrote: Hello, currently I use an K-m, which is nice but the auto focus of that camera is annoying. So I think it is time to think about something new. For me there are a few options. 1st, I get the new K-500, which should be a nice upgrade to my K-m. And should be cheap to get. 2nd, I get an K-50, has some enhancements to the K-500 like an electronic level but it is more expensive. 3rd, I get a K-30, it should be cheaper now and the difference to the K-50 seems minimal for my taste. My plan is actually to get rid of most of my equipment, I have not used my flash for while, I don't use my Kit lense and only my tripod is sometimes useful. So I really just need a body to go with my 35 mm prime lense. What do you think? Thomas -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013, Thomas Bohn wrote: 1st, I get the new K-500, which should be a nice upgrade to my K-m. And should be cheap to get. 2nd, I get an K-50, has some enhancements to the K-500 like an electronic level but it is more expensive. 3rd, I get a K-30, it should be cheaper now and the difference to the K-50 seems minimal for my taste. So I really just need a body to go with my 35 mm prime lense. You should really try out a K-30 before you buy one, I rented one in February and hated it (particularly in comparison with both Larry's K-x and the K-5/II). The K-50/K-500 seem to have ergonomics much more similar to the K-5/II. Either a K-5 or the K-500 would seem to be your best bets if you're concerned about cost (with a nod to the K-5 for better imaging); you might also consider the K-01 given how cheap that is now (but I wouldn't touch it given neither EVF nor articulated LCD). -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera technology touted at TOP
For the people who may be interested in plenoptic technology, some months ago a group of Spanish investigators from the Canary Islands showed a device which can turn any digital camera with interchangeable lenses into a plenoptic camera. You can read something about it here: http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/camara-plenoptica-3d-ull-universidad-la-laguna_cafadis,1_7561 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera technology touted at TOP
From: Carlos R. For the people who may be interested in plenoptic technology, some months ago a group of Spanish investigators from the Canary Islands showed a device which can turn any digital camera with interchangeable lenses into a plenoptic camera. You can read something about it here: http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/camara-plenoptica-3d-ull-universidad-la-laguna_cafadis,1_7561 I don't suppose there's an english language page for this? It's a little too much for Babel Fish. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3721 - Release Date: 06/23/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 01:58:59PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: From: Carlos R. For the people who may be interested in plenoptic technology, some months ago a group of Spanish investigators from the Canary Islands showed a device which can turn any digital camera with interchangeable lenses into a plenoptic camera. You can read something about it here: http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/camara-plenoptica-3d-ull-universidad-la-laguna_cafadis,1_7561 I don't suppose there's an english language page for this? It's a little too much for Babel Fish. Google Translate works just fine - that's what I used to read it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera technology touted at TOP
The plenoptic concept is making the rounds today. At least 14 people have sent me notes about it. I've been tracking this technology from the first discussions and talks about it in 2006ish, IIRC. The idea is simple: Instead of capturing only spatial information from the incoming light, capture the vector information as well. That allows for in-process focus adjustment and more sophisticated image correction processing. It's not 3D or holography, it's more information with which to focus and render the image. The downside of this is all technical. You generally need about 10x as many photo receptors to produce a given number of finished image pixels ... so a 12 Mpixel image relies on having somewhere around 120-144 million photosites behind them to capture both spatial and vector data. Similarly, the image processing and data handling systems have to be suitably robust to handle that amount of incoming data... It's interesting, but I think that the big news is that some money is being handed to Ted Ng now to develop his prototypes into a viable production camera. The technology curve is catching up to the needs of this kind of capture and processing, so a new game in photography could happen in the near future. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:44 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe someone else has posted this, but I have a bit more than 8k messages from the PDML in my inbox, which I haven't even begun to wade trough, so I've decided to share. Mike Johnston seems to think this is the future, but a little bit of research on the technology left me somewhat underwhelmed, perhaps because I was expecting some kind or real breakthrough, maybe having to do do with holographic principals, as opposed to massively processing different image planes. Still it's an interesting concept. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/06/the-next-big-thing.html -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: The plenoptic concept is making the rounds today. At least 14 people have sent me notes about it. By combining those notes in different ways, you can focus on different aspects of the technology. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It seems to be capable of altering some phototographic approaches radically. I expect dramatic contributions to macrophotography of static objects, for example. Sports photography may need some more time, though... Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun 2011/6/23 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Maybe someone else has posted this, but I have a bit more than 8k messages from the PDML in my inbox, which I haven't even begun to wade trough, so I've decided to share. Mike Johnston seems to think this is the future, but a little bit of research on the technology left me somewhat underwhelmed, perhaps because I was expecting some kind or real breakthrough, maybe having to do do with holographic principals, as opposed to massively processing different image planes. Still it's an interesting concept. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/06/the-next-big-thing.html -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: The plenoptic concept is making the rounds today. At least 14 people have sent me notes about it. By combining those notes in different ways, you can focus on different aspects of the technology. Or make it a thoroughly senseless mish-mash of competing ideas if I want. ;-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, I think it's the Segway of photography. On 6/22/2011 3:58 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote: It seems to be capable of altering some phototographic approaches radically. I expect dramatic contributions to macrophotography of static objects, for example. Sports photography may need some more time, though... Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun 2011/6/23 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com: Maybe someone else has posted this, but I have a bit more than 8k messages from the PDML in my inbox, which I haven't even begun to wade trough, so I've decided to share. Mike Johnston seems to think this is the future, but a little bit of research on the technology left me somewhat underwhelmed, perhaps because I was expecting some kind or real breakthrough, maybe having to do do with holographic principals, as opposed to massively processing different image planes. Still it's an interesting concept. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/06/the-next-big-thing.html -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[Default] On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:30 +0300, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to be capable of altering some phototographic approaches radically. I expect dramatic contributions to macrophotography of static objects, for example. Sports photography may need some more time, though... Yep. Apparently you get a ~12:1 reduction in resolution in return for this post-shot focus capability: Your 24-megapixel sensor becomes a 2 -megapixel sensor. It'll be interesting to see where this goes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Is that like being the Eagles of Death Metal? On 11-06-23 4:39 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Well, I think it's the Segway of photography. On 6/22/2011 3:58 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote: It seems to be capable of altering some phototographic approaches radically. I expect dramatic contributions to macrophotography of static objects, for example. Sports photography may need some more time, though... Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun 2011/6/23 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com: Maybe someone else has posted this, but I have a bit more than 8k messages from the PDML in my inbox, which I haven't even begun to wade trough, so I've decided to share. Mike Johnston seems to think this is the future, but a little bit of research on the technology left me somewhat underwhelmed, perhaps because I was expecting some kind or real breakthrough, maybe having to do do with holographic principals, as opposed to massively processing different image planes. Still it's an interesting concept. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/06/the-next-big-thing.html -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The original hype around the Segway was that it was going to change personal transportation forever. What it was was a technical tour d' force that in reality changed almost nothing, it wasn't an anti gravity flying car or a personal transportation system. The Segway was a device that couldn't do anything a healthy person couldn't do walking, and in fact couldn't even go cross country as well. This strikes me as the photographic equivalent. I expect that there's more of a market for a camera built on these principals as opposed to the Segway which is now the province of over weight rent-a-cops and the US Postal service, more than anything else. On 6/22/2011 4:58 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Is that like being the Eagles of Death Metal? On 11-06-23 4:39 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Well, I think it's the Segway of photography. On 6/22/2011 3:58 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote: It seems to be capable of altering some phototographic approaches radically. I expect dramatic contributions to macrophotography of static objects, for example. Sports photography may need some more time, though... Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun 2011/6/23 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com: Maybe someone else has posted this, but I have a bit more than 8k messages from the PDML in my inbox, which I haven't even begun to wade trough, so I've decided to share. Mike Johnston seems to think this is the future, but a little bit of research on the technology left me somewhat underwhelmed, perhaps because I was expecting some kind or real breakthrough, maybe having to do do with holographic principals, as opposed to massively processing different image planes. Still it's an interesting concept. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/06/the-next-big-thing.html -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[Default] On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:21:05 -0400, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: The original hype around the Segway was that it was going to change personal transportation forever. What it was was a technical tour d' force that in reality changed almost nothing The inventor saw it as a replacement for the automobile. Everyone else on the planet saw it as a replacement for walking. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A whole lot of noise about a technology that could be done for a thousandth of the cost by adding a third wheel? On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:39 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I think it's the Segway of photography. On 6/22/2011 3:58 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote: It seems to be capable of altering some phototographic approaches radically. I expect dramatic contributions to macrophotography of static objects, for example. Sports photography may need some more time, though... Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun 2011/6/23 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com: Maybe someone else has posted this, but I have a bit more than 8k messages from the PDML in my inbox, which I haven't even begun to wade trough, so I've decided to share. Mike Johnston seems to think this is the future, but a little bit of research on the technology left me somewhat underwhelmed, perhaps because I was expecting some kind or real breakthrough, maybe having to do do with holographic principals, as opposed to massively processing different image planes. Still it's an interesting concept. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/06/the-next-big-thing.html -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:57:45PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: [Default] On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:30 +0300, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to be capable of altering some phototographic approaches radically. I expect dramatic contributions to macrophotography of static objects, for example. Sports photography may need some more time, though... Yep. Apparently you get a ~12:1 reduction in resolution in return for this post-shot focus capability: Your 24-megapixel sensor becomes a 2 -megapixel sensor. It'll be interesting to see where this goes. Well, another turn of the wheel (or another couple of years) will double the number of pixels, which will get it up into the reasonable range for something a bit larger than a web image. And you can actually do a little better in software, if you tweak it for resolution rather than increased DOF or dynamic focus. Or at least that's what the researchers said when they gave a presentation at a Silicon Valley SIGGraph meeting last year. By 2015 we'll probably have a plenoptic camera that outperforms my *ist-D. Signal-to-noise ratios will still be far below what a K-5 can manage, but the *ist-D is lacking in that department, too. That didn't stop me getting some pretty good images with it between 2003 and 2006, though. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Geez, I should really proof these before I hit send. On 6/23/2011 5:21 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: The original hype around the Segway was that it was going to change personal transportation forever. What it was was a technical tour d' force that in reality changed almost nothing, it wasn't an anti gravity flying car or a personal transportation system. The Segway was a device that couldn't do anything a healthy person couldn't do walking, and in fact couldn't even go cross country as well. This strikes me as the photographic equivalent. I expect that there's more of a market for a camera built on these principals as opposed to the Segway which is now the province of over weight rent-a-cops and the US Postal service, more than anything else. On 6/22/2011 4:58 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Is that like being the Eagles of Death Metal? On 11-06-23 4:39 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Well, I think it's the Segway of photography. On 6/22/2011 3:58 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote: It seems to be capable of altering some phototographic approaches radically. I expect dramatic contributions to macrophotography of static objects, for example. Sports photography may need some more time, though... Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun 2011/6/23 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com: Maybe someone else has posted this, but I have a bit more than 8k messages from the PDML in my inbox, which I haven't even begun to wade trough, so I've decided to share. Mike Johnston seems to think this is the future, but a little bit of research on the technology left me somewhat underwhelmed, perhaps because I was expecting some kind or real breakthrough, maybe having to do do with holographic principals, as opposed to massively processing different image planes. Still it's an interesting concept. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/06/the-next-big-thing.html -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:21 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: The original hype around the Segway was that it was going to change personal transportation forever. What it was was a technical tour d' force that in reality changed almost nothing, it wasn't an anti gravity flying car or a personal transportation system. The Segway was a device that couldn't do anything a healthy person couldn't do walking, and in fact couldn't even go cross country as well. This strikes me as the photographic equivalent. I expect that there's more of a market for a camera built on these principals as opposed to the Segway which is now the province of over weight rent-a-cops and the US Postal service, more than anything else. I've been doing some thinking about plenoptics and I don't see it as much the game changer in photography as I do in things like 3-d mapping. If you can do things like change the depth of field, you can also do things like calculate the distance to each point in the image. Imagine something like google's street view cars equipped with a version of this camera where each image can make a crude 3-d map of the buildings around the car, and then combining those images for a fairly high resolution 3-d map of a city, that is reasonably accurate at least at street level. Another potential use for it would be to get a good 3-D map of someone's body, so that when they order clothes they can be cut to fit, in the desired color and fabric, sewn at slave labor rates and then shipped to your doorstep. Likewise, realtors selling houses are already trying to do some sort of 360 degree images, one of these cameras could be used to get very good 3-d models of each room for virtual tours. Internal decorators, remodelers etc. could then modify those 3-d models to show their proposed changes. You'd have to set the camera up several places in each room with good differential gps, but you could probably fudge by figuring out what parts of the room correspond with each other, like you do stitching 2-d images. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So, does this mean I should hold off on my plans to get the K3 (or whatever it's going to be called) once it comes out? From: Godfrey DiGiorgi The plenoptic concept is making the rounds today. At least 14 people have sent me notes about it. I've been tracking this technology from the first discussions and talks about it in 2006ish, IIRC. The idea is simple: Instead of capturing only spatial information from the incoming light, capture the vector information as well. That allows for in-process focus adjustment and more sophisticated image correction processing. It's not 3D or holography, it's more information with which to focus and render the image. The downside of this is all technical. You generally need about 10x as many photo receptors to produce a given number of finished image pixels ... so a 12 Mpixel image relies on having somewhere around 120-144 million photosites behind them to capture both spatial and vector data. Similarly, the image processing and data handling systems have to be suitably robust to handle that amount of incoming data... It's interesting, but I think that the big news is that some money is being handed to Ted Ng now to develop his prototypes into a viable production camera. The technology curve is catching up to the needs of this kind of capture and processing, so a new game in photography could happen in the near future. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3718 - Release Date: 06/21/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The K3: the 64 GP massive matrix array holographic data reconstruction 125X zoom mirrorless Captain Marvel camera. Powered by a small pink spacetime singularly. $150 rebate coupon. Now accepting preorders. -Original Message- From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:33:26 To: pdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New camera technology touted at TOP So, does this mean I should hold off on my plans to get the K3 (or whatever it's going to be called) once it comes out? From: Godfrey DiGiorgi The plenoptic concept is making the rounds today. At least 14 people have sent me notes about it. I've been tracking this technology from the first discussions and talks about it in 2006ish, IIRC. The idea is simple: Instead of capturing only spatial information from the incoming light, capture the vector information as well. That allows for in-process focus adjustment and more sophisticated image correction processing. It's not 3D or holography, it's more information with which to focus and render the image. The downside of this is all technical. You generally need about 10x as many photo receptors to produce a given number of finished image pixels ... so a 12 Mpixel image relies on having somewhere around 120-144 million photosites behind them to capture both spatial and vector data. Similarly, the image processing and data handling systems have to be suitably robust to handle that amount of incoming data... It's interesting, but I think that the big news is that some money is being handed to Ted Ng now to develop his prototypes into a viable production camera. The technology curve is catching up to the needs of this kind of capture and processing, so a new game in photography could happen in the near future. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3718 - Release Date: 06/21/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mark Roberts [Default] On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:30 +0300, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to be capable of altering some phototographic approaches radically. I expect dramatic contributions to macrophotography of static objects, for example. Sports photography may need some more time, though... Yep. Apparently you get a ~12:1 reduction in resolution in return for this post-shot focus capability: Your 24-megapixel sensor becomes a 2 -megapixel sensor. It'll be interesting to see where this goes. I didn't know what plenoptic means, so I looked it up. I eventually ended up at a Wikipedia page about the 4D light field ... I didn't understand all of it. Describing math that's beyond my grasp using words ain't my best subject. But this part seems fairly simple: In a plenoptic function, if the region of interest contains a concave object (think of a cupped hand), then light leaving one point on the object may travel only a short distance before being blocked by another point on the object. No practical device could measure the function in such a region. It goes on to say if the locations are restricted to outside the convex hull ... of an object, the plenoptic function can be measured by a digital camera. Most everything I photograph is made up of both concave convex surfaces. How do they overcome the problem with the concave ones? If they can't then only part of the photo works. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3718 - Release Date: 06/21/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: P. J. Alling The original hype around the Segway was that it was going to change personal transportation forever. What it was was a technical tour d' force that in reality changed almost nothing, it wasn't an anti gravity flying car or a personal transportation system. The Segway was a device that couldn't do anything a healthy person couldn't do walking, and in fact couldn't even go cross country as well. This strikes me as the photographic equivalent. I expect that there's more of a market for a camera built on these principals as opposed to the Segway which is now the province of over weight rent-a-cops and the US Postal service, more than anything else. http://citysegwaytours.com/ - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3718 - Release Date: 06/21/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mark Roberts [Default] On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:21:05 -0400, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: The original hype around the Segway was that it was going to change personal transportation forever. What it was was a technical tour d' force that in reality changed almost nothing The inventor saw it as a replacement for the automobile. Everyone else on the planet saw it as a replacement for walking. It doesn't have the range of the automobile, so you still have to keep a car for longer trips. Nor does it have the all weather capability. It does have a greater range than many people are able to walk nowadays. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3718 - Release Date: 06/21/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Let's see about some corrections, Well only one that jumps out, the K30D won't be blown out but the K20D will be... P. J. Alling wrote: I know, you can say jeez it's about time. I just ordered a K20D from BH photo, and should have it in my hot hands by the 8th. Yea, I know old news now that the K-7 has been released, but I needed higher resolution than either trhe D or Ds could deliver for a gig I've got on the 15th. Couldn't wait for the next price drop, just prior to K30D being blown out when it's been discontinued, and I couldn't hide the cost of a new K-7 in the fee and still make any profit at all. Still, I'm excited. (More about the what I'm doing if it's a success, or a disaster, otherwise nevermind). -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New camera on it's way.
Disaster reports welcomed, too - we all learn from them. ;} -p -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Sent: Jul 6, 2009 1:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: New camera on it's way. I know, you can say jeez it's about time. I just ordered a K20D from BH photo, and should have it in my hot hands by the 8th. Yea, I know old news now that the K-7 has been released, but I needed higher resolution than either trhe D or Ds could deliver for a gig I've got on the 15th. Couldn't wait for the next price drop, just prior to K30D being blown out when it's been discontinued, and I couldn't hide the cost of a new K-7 in the fee and still make any profit at all. Still, I'm excited. (More about the what I'm doing if it's a success, or a disaster, otherwise nevermind). -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Camera
Maybe it's like New York, never really finished, Cheers mike On Dec 10, 2006, at 9:16 PM, Walter Hamler wrote: Hope you enjoy the camera! I was interested in the shots from the perspective that I lived in DC from 77 to 90, and the National Cathedral was being finished when we moved there. I see it is still being finished! :-) Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Camera
No Cathedral is ever finished, they just stop working on them from time to time... Beaker wrote: Maybe it's like New York, never really finished, Cheers mike On Dec 10, 2006, at 9:16 PM, Walter Hamler wrote: Hope you enjoy the camera! I was interested in the shots from the perspective that I lived in DC from 77 to 90, and the National Cathedral was being finished when we moved there. I see it is still being finished! :-) Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New camera plate announced
Arca-Swiss QR supports very long rails so that you can slide a lens or camera system to get the exact balance point. the rails generally are not lever-locked and have a very wide contact surface. there won't be any movement, rotation, or looseness. there are probably about a dozen ball head and plate manufacturers making plates, heads and other accessories, so it's probably the most interchangeable of the QR systems. the plates are relatvely low profile and have a lot less projection than the Manfrotto QR plates. ones like them tend to catch on everything and have odd bits sticking out. the Kirk QR plates are a lot less obtrusive. i prefer Kirk plates over other vendors because they generally have a 1/4 standard tripod mounting socket for the times when you need to use a standard tripod without removing the plate. the plates are attached with a hex screw and key and are very secure. the Kirk and many other camera-specific plates have ridges or an edge so that they align with the back of the camera and prevent rotation on the plate. the L brackets are very light compared to the Manfrotto but stiff enough. you will have to ask Kirk whether it blocks the release or not. they usually have cutouts specifically designed to allow access to all features. some of the camera-specific plates have replacement camera strap mounting points if they obscure the one on the camera. i can't find a description of the 308RC in my US catalogs, so you will have to tell me which it is closest to from the current US list. there are many vendors of Arca-Swiss compatible ball heads, most of which start with large and go up from there. the smallest ones i generally see are like the Manfrotto 488RC2 in size and go up from there. the action seems to be around the size of the 468RC2 in size. Herb... - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 11:18 PM Subject: Re: New camera plate announced For those not in the know what are the advantages of the Arca-Swiss QR system over the Manfrotto snap in system? Also have you used the L brackets? I used to use the Manfrotto 340 Elbow bracket when I had a P67 but it's not suitable (and too heavy) to use with my Mamiya 7 gear. The Kirk plate looks interesting but it appears that it will obscure the film spool release like the 340 bracket :-( Also do you know if there is an Arca-Swiss QR compatible ball head that's around the same size as the Manfrotto 308RC?
Re: New camera plate announced
Actually I found out that the Kirk plate for the N***n N90 fit my ist D perfectly. However I'd love a L-bracket for my istD with or without the battery grip. So far no interest from Kirk or RRS :( /paul From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New camera plate announced Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 06:27:33 -0500 Arca-Swiss QR supports very long rails so that you can slide a lens or camera system to get the exact balance point. the rails generally are not lever-locked and have a very wide contact surface. there won't be any movement, rotation, or looseness. there are probably about a dozen ball head and plate manufacturers making plates, heads and other accessories, so it's probably the most interchangeable of the QR systems. the plates are relatvely low profile and have a lot less projection than the Manfrotto QR plates. ones like them tend to catch on everything and have odd bits sticking out. the Kirk QR plates are a lot less obtrusive. i prefer Kirk plates over other vendors because they generally have a 1/4 standard tripod mounting socket for the times when you need to use a standard tripod without removing the plate. the plates are attached with a hex screw and key and are very secure. the Kirk and many other camera-specific plates have ridges or an edge so that they align with the back of the camera and prevent rotation on the plate. the L brackets are very light compared to the Manfrotto but stiff enough. you will have to ask Kirk whether it blocks the release or not. they usually have cutouts specifically designed to allow access to all features. some of the camera-specific plates have replacement camera strap mounting points if they obscure the one on the camera. i can't find a description of the 308RC in my US catalogs, so you will have to tell me which it is closest to from the current US list. there are many vendors of Arca-Swiss compatible ball heads, most of which start with large and go up from there. the smallest ones i generally see are like the Manfrotto 488RC2 in size and go up from there. the action seems to be around the size of the 468RC2 in size. Herb... - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 11:18 PM Subject: Re: New camera plate announced For those not in the know what are the advantages of the Arca-Swiss QR system over the Manfrotto snap in system? Also have you used the L brackets? I used to use the Manfrotto 340 Elbow bracket when I had a P67 but it's not suitable (and too heavy) to use with my Mamiya 7 gear. The Kirk plate looks interesting but it appears that it will obscure the film spool release like the 340 bracket :-( Also do you know if there is an Arca-Swiss QR compatible ball head that's around the same size as the Manfrotto 308RC? _ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
Re: New camera plate announced
given the cost of developing a new plate, i wonder why they created a new one then? Herb - Original Message - From: Paul Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Re: New camera plate announced Actually I found out that the Kirk plate for the N***n N90 fit my ist D perfectly. However I'd love a L-bracket for my istD with or without the battery grip. So far no interest from Kirk or RRS :(
Re: New camera plate announced
A number of years ago, after the PZ1P came out I worked with Kirk to develop a QR plate for that camera. I was told it was just a slightly modified version of an existing plate, (probably the PZ1). They wanted my PZ1P to use as a model, I wouldn't let them have it so I wound up doing some measuring for them and some trial and error, paid for some shipping of the plate back to them and got a PZ1P for the price of other plates they were selling. They showed no interest in producing a customized L bracket for any 35mm Pentax body. Maybe if enough PDML'ers were interested in an L bracket for a specific body they would produce one. There is a lot more unique work in a customized L bracket. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New camera plate announced given the cost of developing a new plate, i wonder why they created a new one then? Herb - Original Message - From: Paul Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Re: New camera plate announced Actually I found out that the Kirk plate for the N***n N90 fit my ist D perfectly. However I'd love a L-bracket for my istD with or without the battery grip. So far no interest from Kirk or RRS :(
Re: New camera plate announced - KIRK
have you used either of the Kirk ball heads? they certainly get good reviews by people i respect. i am thinking of getting the BH-3 for my mid-range ball head on my medium tripod. i'm gearing up to replace my large ball head on my large tripod with a Wimberly head. Herb... PS i have been bugging them too. i like their QR plates because they also have a 1/4 screw socket for times when you have to borrow someone else's tripod or use a very small one where it's not worth putting on a QR head. - Original Message - From: Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: Re: New camera plate announced - KIRK Thank you! I can now remove from my ToDo list my monthly item: bug Kirk about new plates for the *ist-D.
Re: New camera plate announced - KIRK
I have their medium size ballhead. Have only had it since mid January and it is very little used to date. With *ist-D and an FA-80-200/2.8, it seems very stable. I am still learning the proper degree of normal 'drag' to set when such a heavy kit is mounted. Stan Herb Chong wrote: have you used either of the Kirk ball heads? they certainly get good reviews by people i respect. i am thinking of getting the BH-3 for my mid-range ball head on my medium tripod. i'm gearing up to replace my large ball head on my large tripod with a Wimberly head. Herb... PS i have been bugging them too. i like their QR plates because they also have a 1/4 screw socket for times when you have to borrow someone else's tripod or use a very small one where it's not worth putting on a QR head. - Original Message - From: Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: Re: New camera plate announced - KIRK Thank you! I can now remove from my ToDo list my monthly item: bug Kirk about new plates for the *ist-D.
Re: New camera plate announced
On 7 Mar 2004 at 21:22, Herb Chong wrote: for those of you who are fans of Arca-Swiss QR plates like i am, Kirk Photo has just announced the PZ-87 for the *istD without battery grip and the PS-88 for the*istD with battery grip. Herb, For those not in the know what are the advantages of the Arca-Swiss QR system over the Manfrotto snap in system? Also have you used the L brackets? I used to use the Manfrotto 340 Elbow bracket when I had a P67 but it's not suitable (and too heavy) to use with my Mamiya 7 gear. The Kirk plate looks interesting but it appears that it will obscure the film spool release like the 340 bracket :-( Also do you know if there is an Arca-Swiss QR compatible ball head that's around the same size as the Manfrotto 308RC? Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: New camera plate announced
Herb may have a different take on this Rob, he has more experience here. For me, my exposure to the Arca-Swiss standard came when I bought an MZ-S from Tom Van Veen - it came with a Kirk custom plate attached. I muttered a bit, found a way to remove it, and went on with life. Sometime latter I realized what a prize i had been gifted. A big advantage for me is not so much the mount per se, but the fact that there are small manufacturers like Kirk who make custom-fit brackets for many cameras. Unlike any Manfretto camera plate I have ever used, a Kirk (Swiss-Arca standard) will not twist when you swing over for a vertical shot. The custom plate curves up over the edge of the body, preventing rotation... With respect to the mounting system itself, in my limited experience it seems easier and more secure to mount on the swiss Arca mount, and there is just the one standard. Five or six companies follow that standard. Unlike Manfretto where I had to buy new size and shape mounting plates every time I got a new head... it was a major breakthrough when they came out with new plates that would substitute for two old ones, that would mount on two different QR platforms! If I can fit the tripod in the suitcase, I'll have my Kirk ball head with me on my Australia trip. Stan Rob Studdert wrote: On 7 Mar 2004 at 21:22, Herb Chong wrote: for those of you who are fans of Arca-Swiss QR plates like i am, Kirk Photo has just announced the PZ-87 for the *istD without battery grip and the PS-88 for the*istD with battery grip. Herb, For those not in the know what are the advantages of the Arca-Swiss QR system over the Manfrotto snap in system? Also have you used the L brackets? I used to use the Manfrotto 340 Elbow bracket when I had a P67 but it's not suitable (and too heavy) to use with my Mamiya 7 gear. The Kirk plate looks interesting but it appears that it will obscure the film spool release like the 340 bracket :-( Also do you know if there is an Arca-Swiss QR compatible ball head that's around the same size as the Manfrotto 308RC? Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: New camera speculation (yes, again)
At 00:34 6-6-2002 -0400, you wrote: MZ-S? Nah, wheels too narrow to grasp and turn -- have to be looking it to do so. Tonghang. But you don't grasp and turn the wheels. Friction from the thumb. That's how to use the wheel. Nor do you have to be looking at the display. You can see the display though the finder. Unless you're talking changing functions, then you have to look. Wendy - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
Come on Cotty!!! What is it? Or are you too ashamed? Pretty ashamed. I wish I could stretch to a Pentax but, I need to keep costs as low as possible for the time being. If I can live with MF then doubtless in future I would consider a Pentax 645. Regarding mirrors and TLRs - - *I* didn't say anything about a TLR. I just said - think entry level for a good quality system. Maybe I was wrong in that. I'm not sure now. Anyway, I want to do my landscapes on larger film, so if I want mirror lock-up, then it's going to be an SLR. **A guy called ZAC told me that I'd need to use my BRAIN for the ZONE system** ;-) Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
So, which one? An ETRs or an SQ-A? Or something older? Gianfranco (do I win something??) Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **A guy called ZAC told me that I'd need to use my BRAIN for the ZONE system** = Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
C **A guy called ZAC told me that I'd need to use my BRAIN for the ZONE C system** C ;-) C Cotty Hah! Easy Cotty ;-) Zenza Bronica. Which one? Frantisek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
Cotty has a Lubitel? Nope. :-) ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
Cotty has a Lubitel? Nope. Pentacon 6? Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
In a message dated 4/20/2002 9:09:38 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cotty has a Lubitel? Nope. Pentacon 6? Maybe a Yashica Mat? (Surely *not* a Seagull TLR.) ERNR My photographs hang on the virtual walls at http://members.aol.com/ernreed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
that sounds like rolleicord? do i get a candy? - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: Re: New Camera, New Format Nope. I said cheap, but I said quality also. Think entry level of quality... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
At 05:49 PM 4/20/02 -0400, you wrote: From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Camera, New Format Cotty has a Lubitel? Nope. Pentacon 6? Maybe a Yashica Mat? (Surely *not* a Seagull TLR.) Nope. I said cheap, but I said quality also. Think entry level of quality... Diana/Holga? * KC8TKA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
Diana? Pardon me? ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
Cotty has a Lubitel? Nope. Pentacon 6? Maybe a Yashica Mat? (Surely *not* a Seagull TLR.) Nope. I said cheap, but I said quality also. Think entry level of quality... Ah. An old Rolleiflex! I nearly went that way. But if I'm going to take landscapes I need mirror lock-up... It's nothing special, you'll all groan... C ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
that sounds like rolleicord? do i get a candy? No no no! A guy called Zac told me that I'd have to use my Brain for the Zone system... ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
Think entry level of quality... A Mamiya TLR, perhaps a C220. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New Camera, New Format
What you need mirror lock-up on a TLR for??? And now for my guess - Kiev? Lukasz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:46 AM To: Pentax List Subject: Re: New Camera, New Format Cotty has a Lubitel? Nope. Pentacon 6? Maybe a Yashica Mat? (Surely *not* a Seagull TLR.) Nope. I said cheap, but I said quality also. Think entry level of quality... Ah. An old Rolleiflex! I nearly went that way. But if I'm going to take landscapes I need mirror lock-up... It's nothing special, you'll all groan... C ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
In a message dated 4/20/2002 5:47:04 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah. An old Rolleiflex! I nearly went that way. But if I'm going to take landscapes I need mirror lock-up... Not with a TLR, you wouldn't. ERNR My photographs hang on the virtual walls at http://members.aol.com/ernreed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
PMFJI, but why would you need MLU on a Rolleiflex? They don't have a mirror. Cotty wrote: Ah. An old Rolleiflex! I nearly went that way. But if I'm going to take landscapes I need mirror lock-up... -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom-rentals/index.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera, New Format
Shel scribbled... PMFJI, but why would you need MLU on a Rolleiflex? They don't have a mirror. Ah, but they do have a mirror, is just isn't a moving one. :-) Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New camera, new format.
On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 05:20 PM, Cotty wrote: Way to go, Malcolm! Welcome to the Brotherhood! Oh Lord. We're coming for you, next, Cotty! Just think of how light the 67 is in comparison to those Betacams... -Brother Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New camera, new format.
Aaron wrote: We're coming for you, next, Cotty! Just think of how light the 67 is in comparison to those Betacams... all this apprehension concerning the weight of the 6x7 is folderol balderdash - not only is the filmgate the ideal format, but the mass has also been very carefully designed to be ideal for stability in handheld situations. Those wimpy miniature format 35mm cameras float around w/ a life of their own and require an unnecessary and distracting concerted effort to hold them still ! !8^D Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New camera, new format.
Brother Bill, Does Brother Aaron give you a commission for every convert? Which one do you want? The F4/100mm or F4/135mm? According to the specs, the closest focussing distance is 443 mm resp 750 mm. It sounds more like CF than macro. How do these numbers translate to image magnification. ... not to mention the helical extension as well as normal tubes and the bellows system ( ... just tryin' to help :^) This sounds more like it. I'll have to do my homework. Jeff - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New camera, new format.
Jeff wrote: Brother Bill, Does Brother Aaron give you a commission for every convert? nah - he's a relative newbie, but he has great enthusiasm! :^) I've been convinced of the 6x7's superiority for ~20yrs. In fact, I used medium formats for many years before even owning any 35mm gear (and even then it was rangefinders for years before SLRs. Brownies, 6x6 folders and the like. TTL viewing/focusing, DOF preview, Aperture Priority exposure and such came very late in my photographic journeys. Only bad luck made the appearance of a 6x7 at a time co-incident w/ a bit of extra dough forstayed possession of aforementioned jewel - all things come to he who waits. !8^D - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New camera, new format.
Way to go, Malcolm! Welcome to the Brotherhood! Oh Lord. We're coming for you, next, Cotty! Just think of how light the 67 is in comparison to those Betacams... Cotty: 'No, you'll never get me. Stay back, stay back I say! No! N!!! AAARRGGGHHHh' (med shot of spot where Cotty stood, now a smouldering white stain on ground. Tilt up to reveal Brotherhood stood in a circle, shoulders rising and falling in unison) Botherhood: 'Hilk hilk hilk' Actually, I have already purchased some MF bits and bobs - tho not a complete camera yet. I'm afraid I have some bad news: it's not Pentax. I spent a lot of time deliberating, but cost was simply too much of an overriding factor. It had to be cheap, while delivering decent quality. Can't say too much right now... C ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New camera, new format.
Aaron wrote: We're coming for you, next, Cotty! Just think of how light the 67 is in comparison to those Betacams... all this apprehension concerning the weight of the 6x7 is folderol balderdash - not only is the filmgate the ideal format, but the mass has also been very carefully designed to be ideal for stability in handheld situations. Those wimpy miniature format 35mm cameras float around w/ a life of their own and require an unnecessary and distracting concerted effort to hold them still ! !8^D Bill Nice try Bill. ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New camera, new format.
- Original Message - From: Jeff Subject: Re: New camera, new format. Which one do you want? The F4/100mm or F4/135mm? According to the specs, the closest focussing distance is 443 mm resp 750 mm. It sounds more like CF than macro. How do these numbers translate to image magnification. The 135 macro focuses to 1/3 life size. The bellows are a tremendous help for macro work. ... not to mention the helical extension as well as normal tubes and the bellows system ( ... just tryin' to help :^) This sounds more like it. I'll have to do my homework. I just lost on a helical tube for the 6x7 last night. If you want any sort of close focusing like you get with 35mm, you need the extension tubes. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New camera, new format.
Thanks Bill for your info. As for the helical tube, could I get 1:1 attached to either one of these lenses? What was the winning bid for it on eBay? TIA, Jeff - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: Re: New camera, new format. - Original Message - From: Jeff Subject: Re: New camera, new format. Which one do you want? The F4/100mm or F4/135mm? According to the specs, the closest focussing distance is 443 mm resp 750 mm. It sounds more like CF than macro. How do these numbers translate to image magnification. The 135 macro focuses to 1/3 life size. The bellows are a tremendous help for macro work. ... not to mention the helical extension as well as normal tubes and the bellows system ( ... just tryin' to help :^) This sounds more like it. I'll have to do my homework. I just lost on a helical tube for the 6x7 last night. If you want any sort of close focusing like you get with 35mm, you need the extension tubes. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New camera, new format.
Way to go, Malcolm! Welcome to the Brotherhood! -Brother Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New camera, new format.
Well, I've done it now and become a Pentax fanatic in 35mm and medium format. I am now looking at a 6x7 with 105mm lens - very nice too. It was too good a deal to pass on. Despite all the comments about its size, I didn't need to remove the front door, to get it into the house! As the sun is out, I think it ought to be tried out in the forest. Goes for coat. Malcolm, you're showing up on radar at West Drayton... SC ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New camera, new format.
Malcolm, It seems that once you seriously look at the 67, it suddenly feels just right. What a beautiful camera and format! Welcome to the brother/sisterhood. Brother Bruce Thursday, April 18, 2002, 5:31:57 AM, you wrote: MS Well, I've done it now and become a Pentax fanatic in 35mm and medium MS format. I am now looking at a 6x7 with 105mm lens - very nice too. It was MS too good a deal to pass on. MS Despite all the comments about its size, I didn't need to remove the front MS door, to get it into the house! MS As the sun is out, I think it ought to be tried out in the forest. Goes for MS coat. MS Malcolm MS - MS This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, MS go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to MS visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New camera, new format.
PS Surprised at Cotty's comments - I will not be acquiring another camera for years - sorry if you think I was OTT. Next time you see one of my posts, just delete it without reading it. Big camera event for me, my apologies. Malcolm, don't mistake my sad and twisted sense of humour for anything else! I was simply being silly. You mentioned the size of the Pentax 67 camera, and that you were going out to take some pics - I pointed out that you were showing up on the radar at West Drayton. Allow me a detailed explanation so that your humour gland may be enabled my dear chap. West Drayton (England, UK) is where a lot of air traffic controllers sit and watch screens with (apparently very small) text representing aeroplanes flying about the skies. Presumably they have radar installations there or thereabouts, and these radar thingies (you know - big dish-type structures that whizz around) pick up large metal objects, usually aeroplanes. My purile attempt at a joke was in drawing attention to the large metallic mass of your lovely new Pentax 67 camera, and that it was being picked up by said radar at West Drayton. I meant absolutely no offence and my sincere and humblest of apologies if any was taken. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest my armpits. Sincerely, Cotty PS - since I'm seeing delayed digest posts, I better apologise for another posting where I refer to the Brotherhood of Pentax Medium Format as 'nauseous'. By pure chance, a future copy of a PDML digest post just slipped into my in box through a freak wormhole in the space/time/Apple continuum and I must also apologise for: All coach drivers in Bognor Referring to Peter of Camera Direct as a 'Fat Cat' photo dealer with no scruples and a matching pair of LX2000s hollowed out and made into alarm clocks Not warning you that Mafud makes a comeback in 2006 Accidentally listing 368 Pentax eBay auctions, all with less than 1 hour to run and sitting on a measley $29 by 10 bids from some dweeb called [EMAIL PROTECTED] each in ten cent increments and, er, everything. PPS ;-) ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New camera, new format.
- Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith Subject: RE: New camera, new format. I hope you are not in dialogue with the flushing item! If you want to make a point - go for me, easy target, new 67 owner. I am mostly committed to 35mm film - sorry we have fallen out, but your comments aren't easy to agree with on this occasion. Tell me what you really think off list. Malcolm - 35mm good! I was going to welcome you to the brotherhood, but it seems you are not quite ready yet. Brother William - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera!
it's here! But the darn NEW CAMERA ain't nothing but a paperweight until I got the request NEW BATTERIES! :( Off to Target... Cory - Original Message - From: Jim Moniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:24 AM Subject: Re: New Camera! The Super Program is a fine camera...I hope you enjoy. Jim - Original Message - From: CBWaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:18 AM Subject: New Camera! Hey all you people who said all those good things about KEH's Bargain ratingyou'd better be right because I just bought a bargain Super Program. It might get here today (shipping proximity to the source and all...) and I'm pretty excited. I figured I NEEDED it for my trip to San Francisco next month (right?) Anyway, I'll probably be selling my A3000 if I can get a few bucks to defer the cost of the new camera. If you're interested in a VERY RARE Pentax (look at the body roll call and see how few there are on list!) In quite good condition, let me know. Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera!
The Super Program is a fine camera...I hope you enjoy. Jim - Original Message - From: CBWaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:18 AM Subject: New Camera! Hey all you people who said all those good things about KEH's Bargain ratingyou'd better be right because I just bought a bargain Super Program. It might get here today (shipping proximity to the source and all...) and I'm pretty excited. I figured I NEEDED it for my trip to San Francisco next month (right?) Anyway, I'll probably be selling my A3000 if I can get a few bucks to defer the cost of the new camera. If you're interested in a VERY RARE Pentax (look at the body roll call and see how few there are on list!) In quite good condition, let me know. Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Camera! and a shameless plug
- Original Message - From: Jim Moniz Subject: Re: New Camera! The Super Program is a fine camera...I hope you enjoy. I still have 2 Super Program bodies for sale. Both are in very nice working condition. The frame counter on one is not working. I am open to offers. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera (Also NOT!!!)
Oh, there goes one again. Flying past the window with it's pet pig. You mean the Wizard of Oz is real? --- Otis Wright, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other dimension seems to fit. Were those flying monkeys? Otis Wright Tom Rittenhouse wrote: Aus. pronounced Oz. Maybe magical tornados do travel half way around the world, but I thought that Dorathy's Oz was in another dimension altogether. Are there flying monkeys in Australia? grin --graywolf Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera (Also NOT!!!)
Aus. pronounced Oz. Maybe magical tornados do travel half way around the world, but I thought that Dorathy's Oz was in another dimension altogether. Are there flying monkeys in Australia? grin --graywolf Frits J. Wüthrich wrote: Isn't Oz Australia? Has our ex-prez been visiting there? I thought Oz was close to Kansas. Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas anymore Or am I wrong? Do tornado's travel from Kansas to Australia? I don't think so. -- Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera (Also NOT!!!)
The other dimension seems to fit. Were those flying monkeys? Otis Wright Tom Rittenhouse wrote: Aus. pronounced Oz. Maybe magical tornados do travel half way around the world, but I thought that Dorathy's Oz was in another dimension altogether. Are there flying monkeys in Australia? grin --graywolf Frits J. Wüthrich wrote: Isn't Oz Australia? Has our ex-prez been visiting there? I thought Oz was close to Kansas. Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas anymore Or am I wrong? Do tornado's travel from Kansas to Australia? I don't think so. -- Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: new camera (Also NOT!!!)
perhaps not flying monkeys but there are some big-a** bats in Sydney! Have you been to 'stralia? It IS another dimension! Christian Skofteland System Administrator ServerVault Inc. Securing the Internet (703)373-5971 (Direct) (703)333-5900 (Main) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Tom Rittenhouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 4:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: new camera (Also NOT!!!) Aus. pronounced Oz. Maybe magical tornados do travel half way around the world, but I thought that Dorathy's Oz was in another dimension altogether. Are there flying monkeys in Australia? grin --graywolf Frits J. Wüthrich wrote: Isn't Oz Australia? Has our ex-prez been visiting there? I thought Oz was close to Kansas. Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas anymore Or am I wrong? Do tornado's travel from Kansas to Australia? I don't think so. -- Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera (Also NOT!!!)
According to the book. Otis Wright, Jr. wrote: The other dimension seems to fit. Were those flying monkeys? Otis Wright Tom Rittenhouse wrote: Aus. pronounced Oz. Maybe magical tornados do travel half way around the world, but I thought that Dorathy's Oz was in another dimension altogether. Are there flying monkeys in Australia? grin --graywolf Frits J. Wüthrich wrote: Isn't Oz Australia? Has our ex-prez been visiting there? I thought Oz was close to Kansas. Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas anymore Or am I wrong? Do tornado's travel from Kansas to Australia? I don't think so. -- Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: new camera (Also NOT!!!)
Isn't Oz Australia? Has our ex-prez been visiting there? I thought Oz was close to Kansas. Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas anymore Or am I wrong? Do tornado's travel from Kansas to Australia? I don't think so. Frits - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera (Also NOT!!!)
Well of course all the rest of the world could never hope to aspire to match our high moral standards :) I mean you only have to look at Bill Clinton to see that :) --- Otis Wright, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe in NZ, but not in the land of Oz. Otis Wright Jody wrote: Or how about Living in Sin :) Yep, in Australia its called a Defacto Relationship. I think common law marriage is a better term :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera
Interesting how this thread has progressed I have years time and effort invested in Wife V1.7 (1.7 = 7 annual upgrades of version 1.0). I acquired her as a version of Girlfriend long time ago. I've even had a little (VERY little) success over the years adapting the application for my specific needs and acquiring the plug-ins Child 1.3 and 2.1.5. Both these applications are very problematic and requiring a LOT of time to customize with varying results that may not be fully realized for many years. Not to mention a significant financial investment and a host of specialized technicians and caregivers. The thought of upgrading or switching platforms at this time is very scary. Especially since I have a good working relationship with the software providers (in-laws inc.). Cory Waters Atlanta, GA USA This was meant for Friday but didn't get done till now because of a particularly nasty virus I acquired called Work - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera
Or how about Living in Sin :) Yep, in Australia its called a Defacto Relationship. I think common law marriage is a better term :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera
Maybe in NZ, but not in the land of Oz. Otis Wright Jody wrote: Or how about Living in Sin :) Yep, in Australia its called a Defacto Relationship. I think common law marriage is a better term :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera
From: Rodger Whitlock Oh, you meant *camera* hardware! Sorry! My dirty mind at work again! Did I say hardware? I meant hard wired!!! HA!! WW - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 at 06:24:52 -0600, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] chimed in: Be very careful with the upgrades. A friend of mine just upgraded from Girlfriend V3.0 to Fiance V1.0. All sorts of software issues came up that he wasn't prepared to deal with. I have heard it gets even worse when you upgrade to Wife, any version, but 1.0 seems most buggy, as there sometimes are a lot of hardware conflicts. Hardware conflicts? Aren't those usually sorted out during the earlier stages, with reference to the Kama Sutra as required to resolve mismatches in pin configurations, connector widths, etc? Oh, you meant *camera* hardware! Sorry! My dirty mind at work again! -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera
Like Paul I'm also as good as married! I'm lucky that my partner and I have a lot in common and that she even shares my interest in Photography to some extent (although she doesn't understand my need for more and better gear!) and she has an MZ10 so it's OK! Nenad - Original Message - From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:08 AM Subject: Re: new camera Most definately :) coming up on 8 years now - Original Message - From: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:14 AM Subject: RE: new camera Would she say that? Len --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Jones Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 6:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: new camera Depends how long you've been going out with your girlfriend for, sometimes its as good as married. - Original Message - From: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:10 AM Subject: RE: new camera Girlfriends aren't supposed to have that kind of control until after the wedding. If she does this now, what will she do after you're married to her? Len --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nenad Djurdjevic Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: new camera Count me in on that one. I bought a lens from a German PDML member and now my girlfriend wants me to sell two of my 'old' lenses before it's even arrived! (Of course, it's better than if she let me buy it on the condition that she buys a gold bracelet or something!). Nenad - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera
At 06:41 24.8.2001 -0400, Robert Harris wrote: Paul Jones wrote: Not in Australia :) after a couple of years living together its considered the same as being married. How awful. Then you'd better be prepared to trade in your woman for a new model every 23 months, or bear the consequences. :) Nahh... Don't you know you can upgrade them ? Just download new software versions or hotfixes, but of course you need a maintenance contract for that ;-) I especially like the hotfixes myself... Oh' and I will be using my LX a long time as well :-) Hmm.. sounds like it's Friday again, Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 400 789753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 2 413 * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera
- Original Message - From: Antti-Pekka Virjonen Subject: Re: new camera Nahh... Don't you know you can upgrade them ? Just download new software versions or hotfixes, but of course you need a maintenance contract for that ;-) I especially like the hotfixes myself... Be very careful with the upgrades. A friend of mine just upgraded from Girlfriend V3.0 to Fiance V1.0. All sorts of software issues came up that he wasn't prepared to deal with. I have heard it gets even worse when you upgrade to Wife, any version, but 1.0 seems most buggy, as there sometimes are a lot of hardware conflicts. WW - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new camera
Doug Franklin wrote: Same in the US. Anywhere from three months to seven or more years, depending on the state and locality, and the law considers you married (Common Law Marriage is the technical term, I think). Not here in NJ! Plus, we have the greatest hawk flyover in the fall, at Cape May, if you like to shot birds (with a camera, that is). -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
