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On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:00 , David J Brooks wrote:
You had modems? We had to implement RFC1149!
We had slide rules, and I still have mine for power outages.
Not quite as good a lightroom, but it gives you a decent sepia print.
I still have my three slide rules. Shirt Pocket Motorola plastic, Desk
Drawer K&E mahogany in it's leather case, and Glove Box K&E aluminum
in it's cardboard sleeve. Replaced my abacus with those, I did.
Never could get a decent print out of any of them... ;-{
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> You had modems? We had to implement RFC1149! > We had slide rules, and I still have mine for power outages. Not quite as good a lightroom, but it gives you a decent sepia print. Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 05:15:52PM -0500, Doug Franklin wrote: > Bruce Walker wrote: > >> *FAMILY* list? Holy crap! Then I'm glad I haven't stumbled onto the >> Adult PDML list. > > Minimum age for the APDML is 104. Hexadecimal. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bruce Walker wrote: *FAMILY* list? Holy crap! Then I'm glad I haven't stumbled onto the Adult PDML list. Minimum age for the APDML is 104. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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so all >> your files had to be saved on DECTape. And that was on the main system; >> hard drives were too expensive to be put on satellite computers. Is that the same as Duct tape? ;-0 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM, John Francis wrote: > 300 Baud? You was lucky! We only had 110 Baud Modems. And ASR-33 > terminals (the ARDS-1s and Tektronix 4010 Storage Tube displays were > upstairs in the main computer room). > Data-Pacs? Removable drives? Luxury! We had one Burroughs hard drive > (around 4MB total, I think) - around 4' in diameter, vertically mounted. > Unless you were a staff programmer you had no logged-out quota, so all > your files had to be saved on DECTape. And that was on the main system; > hard drives were too expensive to be put on satellite computers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo&feature=related cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 4, 2009, at 11:23 , Larry Colen wrote: 300 Baud? You was lucky! We only had 110 Baud Modems. And ASR-33 terminals (the ARDS-1s and Tektronix 4010 Storage Tube displays were upstairs in the main computer room). You had modems? We had to implement RFC1149! http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt Groan. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “If I could tell the story in words, I wouldn’t need to lug a camera.” –Lewis Hine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:57 , John Francis wrote: From memory, of course. Real programmers don't use documentation. (although in my case it was initially a PDP-8, not a PDP-11) Your narrative shows me you have much better recollection of the era than I. It was a zoo compared to even 20 years ago. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:57:46PM -0500, John Francis wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:30:13AM -0800, Joseph McAllister wrote: > > > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 08:53 , Larry Colen wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 07:19:22AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: > > Sure, if you were into bootstrapping a PDP-11 with the toggles ... > > >From memory, of course. Real programmers don't use documentation. > (although in my case it was initially a PDP-8, not a PDP-11) > > > so it > > knew it had a TTY keyboard into which you keyed the start command so it > > would read the paper tape that loaded the program that put into RAM the > > instructions for running the 80 col. card reader that loaded the > > instructions for using the cassette tape drive that loaded the software > > that told the computer it had a 9" reel to reel tape drive which loaded > > the software program that allowed you to use the serial port and a 9" > > green screen monitor to view the the 300 baud ASCII modem data as you > > 300 Baud? You was lucky! We only had 110 Baud Modems. And ASR-33 > terminals (the ARDS-1s and Tektronix 4010 Storage Tube displays were > upstairs in the main computer room). You had modems? We had to implement RFC1149! http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt -- Photographs are like sentences, the best ones have both subjects and verbs. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:42 , Bruce Walker wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Joseph McAllister wrote: Sure, if you were into bootstrapping a PDP-11 with the toggles... Sorry, but "bootstrapping a PDP-11 with toggles" sounds like something too unsavory for a family list like this one. *FAMILY* list? Holy crap! Then I'm glad I haven't stumbled onto the Adult PDML list. -bmw Cripes! You guys sure missed out on the "sexual revolution" didn't you? P.S. We only had to do this every once in a while when the mainframes crashed. We used the PDP-11 to set up the environment that booted the IBM-360s (6 of them) to run. Later on in the early 80s we switched to IBM 3090s which could boot themselves from 9" tape. And Larry I knew how to do the procedure, but never actually programmed a line to make it happen. I was capable of making running changes to the code that the mainframes were running. But that was just a matter of finding an address and rem'ing out a line or three and carefully typing in the replacement code from the greenbar the programmers gave us every night. I just did that for fun, actually. I worked in the darkroom processing 1250' rolls of 9" (later 5") film in custom built Kodak (no model numbers) high speed (100 ft per min)(1974 remember) high viscosity (snot at 95-105 degree) chemicals. The machines were 60 feet long, 14 feet tall. Loud (mostly the dryer cabinet and hundreds of rollers). An extremely competant operator (me) could start, run, splice on the trailer, remove the processed film and shut it down alone. Barely. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “If I could tell the story in words, I wouldn’t need to lug a camera.” –Lewis Hine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:30:13AM -0800, Joseph McAllister wrote: > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 08:53 , Larry Colen wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 07:19:22AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: >>> Larry, >>> 35 years or so of the internet? >> >> OK, technically back then it was the arpanet. >> >>> In 1974 it was TTY terminals and time sharing. >> >> And your point? >> >>> Personal computers were a hobbiest thing. >> >> People had computers at work and school. > > Sure, if you were into bootstrapping a PDP-11 with the toggles ... >From memory, of course. Real programmers don't use documentation. (although in my case it was initially a PDP-8, not a PDP-11) > so it > knew it had a TTY keyboard into which you keyed the start command so it > would read the paper tape that loaded the program that put into RAM the > instructions for running the 80 col. card reader that loaded the > instructions for using the cassette tape drive that loaded the software > that told the computer it had a 9" reel to reel tape drive which loaded > the software program that allowed you to use the serial port and a 9" > green screen monitor to view the the 300 baud ASCII modem data as you 300 Baud? You was lucky! We only had 110 Baud Modems. And ASR-33 terminals (the ARDS-1s and Tektronix 4010 Storage Tube displays were upstairs in the main computer room). > accessed the ArpaNET on which you could communicate using the TTY > keyboard, as well as command the IBM 360 mainframe to run real programs > to accomplish real work using the info stored on "Data-Pac" 4 disc hard > drives that plugged into the drive motors in the refrigerator size > enclosure with underfloor air for cooling. Data-Pacs? Removable drives? Luxury! We had one Burroughs hard drive (around 4MB total, I think) - around 4' in diameter, vertically mounted. Unless you were a staff programmer you had no logged-out quota, so all your files had to be saved on DECTape. And that was on the main system; hard drives were too expensive to be put on satellite computers. But, despite that, there was some level of networking. Besides the ARPANet there were also corporate networks (DECNet was probably the largest of those). And, of course, Usenet came along a bit later, with dial-up email, bang paths, and all that fun. Personal computers were standalone toys for a long time - most of the conventions about mail/forum/newsgroup etiquette were established long before all but a very few people were using personal computers to access bulletin boards. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Joseph McAllister wrote: Sure, if you were into bootstrapping a PDP-11 with the toggles... Sorry, but "bootstrapping a PDP-11 with toggles" sounds like something too unsavory for a family list like this one. *FAMILY* list? Holy crap! Then I'm glad I haven't stumbled onto the Adult PDML list. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Everyone else is vain, but the PDMLers are just talented. MARK ! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: RE: Sliding down the bestseller list... What amazes me is how many publish their own books. We're different from a lot of them in that we are a group, that could be the staff pick thing. Everyone else is vain, but the PDMLers are just talented. Bob s. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:30:13AM -0800, Joseph McAllister wrote: > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 08:53 , Larry Colen wrote: > > >On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 07:19:22AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: > >>Larry, > >>35 years or so of the internet? > > > >OK, technically back then it was the arpanet. > > > >>In 1974 it was TTY terminals and time sharing. > > > >And your point? > > > >>Personal computers were a hobbiest thing. > > > >People had computers at work and school. > > Sure, if you were into bootstrapping a PDP-11 with the toggles so it > knew it had a TTY keyboard into which you keyed the start command so Unfortunately my PDP-11 didn't have the toggles on the front. Besides, at the time my email was UUCP dialup to UCSC on my 286 running Xenix. About all I ever did on the PDP-11 was play adventure. I learned assembler on 11s though back in college. They had one of the nicest instruction sets I've used, though MIPS is pretty nice. > it would read the paper tape that loaded the program that put into RAM > the instructions for running the 80 col. card reader that loaded the > instructions for using the cassette tape drive that loaded the > software that told the computer it had a 9" reel to reel tape drive > which loaded the software program that allowed you to use the serial > port and a 9" green screen monitor to view the the 300 baud ASCII > modem data as you accessed the ArpaNET on which you could communicate > using the TTY keyboard, as well as command the IBM 360 mainframe to > run real programs to accomplish real work using the info stored on > "Data-Pac" 4 disc hard drives that plugged into the drive motors in > the refrigerator size enclosure with underfloor air for cooling. You say that like it's a bad thing. -- Photographs are like sentences, the best ones have both subjects and verbs. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Joseph McAllister wrote: Sure, if you were into bootstrapping a PDP-11 with the toggles... Sorry, but "bootstrapping a PDP-11 with toggles" sounds like something too unsavory for a family list like this one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 4, 2009, at 08:53 , Larry Colen wrote: On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 07:19:22AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: Larry, 35 years or so of the internet? OK, technically back then it was the arpanet. In 1974 it was TTY terminals and time sharing. And your point? Personal computers were a hobbiest thing. People had computers at work and school. Sure, if you were into bootstrapping a PDP-11 with the toggles so it knew it had a TTY keyboard into which you keyed the start command so it would read the paper tape that loaded the program that put into RAM the instructions for running the 80 col. card reader that loaded the instructions for using the cassette tape drive that loaded the software that told the computer it had a 9" reel to reel tape drive which loaded the software program that allowed you to use the serial port and a 9" green screen monitor to view the the 300 baud ASCII modem data as you accessed the ArpaNET on which you could communicate using the TTY keyboard, as well as command the IBM 360 mainframe to run real programs to accomplish real work using the info stored on "Data-Pac" 4 disc hard drives that plugged into the drive motors in the refrigerator size enclosure with underfloor air for cooling. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 07:19:22AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: > Larry, > 35 years or so of the internet? OK, technically back then it was the arpanet. > In 1974 it was TTY terminals and time sharing. And your point? > Personal computers were a hobbiest thing. People had computers at work and school. > Regards, Bob S. > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > In short, for most of the 35 or so years of the internet, top posting, > > or bottom posting, has been considered impolite, that what one should > > do is trim away anything not relevent and reply in cotext. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Photographs are like sentences, the best ones have both subjects and verbs. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 08:26:54AM -, Bob W wrote: > > What amazes me is how many publish their own books. > > > > We're different from a lot of them in that we are a group, > > that could be the > > staff pick thing. > > > > Everyone else is vain, but the PDMLers are just talented. Not just talented; attractive, witty, cantankerous and frequently off topic. > > Bob > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Photographs are like sentences, the best ones have both subjects and verbs. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Bob W wrote: >> What amazes me is how many publish their own books. >> >> We're different from a lot of them in that we are a group, >> that could be the >> staff pick thing. >> > > Everyone else is vain, but the PDMLers are just talented. Were does that leave Cotty. Dave > > Bob > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Scott Loveless wrote: On 3/3/09, Larry Colen wrote: In short, for most of the 35 or so years of the internet, top posting, or bottom posting, has been considered impolite, that what one should do is trim away anything not relevent and reply in context. More specifically, after trimming the cruft one should reply directly below the quoted text. Traditionally speaking. Some lists are particular about this. This one seems to be all over the place. I try to reply below, but if I'm chiming in after 4 or 5 zillion other people have mangled the thread I'll just put the reply wherever it's convenient and hope everyone finds it. Traditional: A: Because it breaks up the sequence of the discussion. Q: Why? A: Top-posting. Q: What's the most annoying thing in Internet discussions? :-) But, whichever way one posts, failure to trim unnecessary quoted material is aggravating and rude. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/3/09, Larry Colen wrote: > In short, for most of the 35 or so years of the internet, top posting, > or bottom posting, has been considered impolite, that what one should > do is trim away anything not relevent and reply in context. More specifically, after trimming the cruft one should reply directly below the quoted text. Traditionally speaking. Some lists are particular about this. This one seems to be all over the place. I try to reply below, but if I'm chiming in after 4 or 5 zillion other people have mangled the thread I'll just put the reply wherever it's convenient and hope everyone finds it. Thank the gods Doug doesn't allow HTML mail. As for indents on quoted text, some people Marnie don't have indents at all. ;) -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Larry, 35 years or so of the internet? In 1974 it was TTY terminals and time sharing. Personal computers were a hobbiest thing. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > In short, for most of the 35 or so years of the internet, top posting, > or bottom posting, has been considered impolite, that what one should > do is trim away anything not relevent and reply in cotext. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: ...maybe the good lord just hates puppies. A possibility I hadn't considered. Bob W provides a fresh perspective as usual! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> >> > > You know, if I had known /The Puppy Way to Pray/ had even a > chance of > > beating our book, I never would have bought it. And really, it was > > just an okay read. But I have to admit, the puppy kneeling > like that > > with its paws clasped was some powerful imagery. > > Paul > > You should have bought the electronic version. > I think this puppy's praying to Lord Soopapoopa, Archangel of Shitting: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/aibo-rolls-over-plays-dead-150850.php Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> What amazes me is how many publish their own books. > > We're different from a lot of them in that we are a group, > that could be the > staff pick thing. > Everyone else is vain, but the PDMLers are just talented. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> > ...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured > > One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's > stroke the > egos of those who've made us some money", but that would be cynical, > wouldn't it? (I grudgingly note that most of the other books on the > "Staff Picks" page appear *not* to be listed as "bestsellers", so > perhaps it isn't a money thing. Maybe someone on their staff > just finds > Bill Robb irresistibly sexy and is trying to put the moves on him.) > > Anyway, the PDML book is still on the bestseller page, though > it's the > last book listed now. We *did* outlast "The Puppy Way to Pray", so > that's some consolation. Maybe those puppies are playing a long game. Or perhaps they just didn't pray hard enough. Or maybe the good lord just hates puppies. I'm going to buy the Pentax book as soon as I remember to bring my credit card upstairs. That should give it a boost. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 3/3/2009 8:39:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, l...@red4est.com writes: Believe me, I've been received many complaints on list for bottom posting. For me, either top posting or bottom posting is okay, I don't mind scrolling. In line, I may miss comments. Each group has its own conventions. I do try to top post when I remember, but my news reader makes bottom posting much easier. So I tend to do it on posts that may need no scrolling or minimal scrolling. I found this 10x easier to read. Thanks for changing the #. Marnie aka Doe :-) It's funny, because your having comments at the bottom makes it a lot harder for me to read. If people top post, at least once I get past their comments, I can just hit tab or 'j' and go to the next post, with your posts, I have to scroll down, making sure I don't scroll to far. And since you don't mark your reply to lines, it's not obvious where the original text was. > Most people only do inline on a long post. Hoo boy! You would not believe how badly I've gotten bitched out on other mailing lists for occasionally top posting. It's one of those netiquette issues that separate the people who have been on the net awhile, from the newcomers. If you want to do some interesting cultural research look up the phrase "eternal September". Mind you, I'm not picking on you because you have an AOL account, it's just an interesting look at how a culture that had developed rules of etiquette over decades was affected by a sudden influx of people who had no idea that there even was such a thing as cultural norms in that context. In short, for most of the 35 or so years of the internet, top posting, or bottom posting, has been considered impolite, that what one should do is trim away anything not relevent and reply in cotext. - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:55:42PM -0500, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/3/2009 7:26:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > l...@red4est.com writes: > > Marnie BTW, niggly little point, but you were being pedantic the other day > about minty. :-) Could you change your email previously seen lines from # to > > I find it hard to read around all those #. I changed it back. I liked # as an indent character because it made it easier to see which lines were mine. But, no big deal, it was just one character in my .muttrc file. > I also find comments made at > bottom or top easier to read than inline. It's funny, because your having comments at the bottom makes it a lot harder for me to read. If people top post, at least once I get past their comments, I can just hit tab or 'j' and go to the next post, with your posts, I have to scroll down, making sure I don't scroll to far. And since you don't mark your reply to lines, it's not obvious where the original text was. > Most people only do inline on a long post. Hoo boy! You would not believe how badly I've gotten bitched out on other mailing lists for occasionally top posting. It's one of those netiquette issues that separate the people who have been on the net awhile, from the newcomers. If you want to do some interesting cultural research look up the phrase "eternal September". Mind you, I'm not picking on you because you have an AOL account, it's just an interesting look at how a culture that had developed rules of etiquette over decades was affected by a sudden influx of people who had no idea that there even was such a thing as cultural norms in that context. In short, for most of the 35 or so years of the internet, top posting, or bottom posting, has been considered impolite, that what one should do is trim away anything not relevent and reply in cotext. -- Photographs are like sentences, the best ones have both subjects and verbs. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 3/3/2009 8:14:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes: On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > ...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured > > One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's stroke > the egos of those who've made us some money", but that would be > cynical, wouldn't it? (I grudgingly note that most of the other > books on the "Staff Picks" page appear *not* to be listed as > "bestsellers", so perhaps it isn't a money thing. Maybe someone on > their staff just finds Bill Robb irresistibly sexy and is trying to > put the moves on him.) > > Anyway, the PDML book is still on the bestseller page, though it's > the last book listed now. We *did* outlast "The Puppy Way to Pray", > so that's some consolation. > You know, if I had known /The Puppy Way to Pray/ had even a chance of beating our book, I never would have bought it. And really, it was just an okay read. But I have to admit, the puppy kneeling like that with its paws clasped was some powerful imagery. Paul === Taking pictures of Grace, I'm not surprised you're a sucker for big, soulful eyes. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: Sliding down the bestseller list... On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: ...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's stroke the egos of those who've made us some money", but that would be cynical, wouldn't it? (I grudgingly note that most of the other books on the "Staff Picks" page appear *not* to be listed as "bestsellers", so perhaps it isn't a money thing. Maybe someone on their staff just finds Bill Robb irresistibly sexy and is trying to put the moves on him.) Anyway, the PDML book is still on the bestseller page, though it's the last book listed now. We *did* outlast "The Puppy Way to Pray", so that's some consolation. You know, if I had known /The Puppy Way to Pray/ had even a chance of beating our book, I never would have bought it. And really, it was just an okay read. But I have to admit, the puppy kneeling like that with its paws clasped was some powerful imagery. Paul You should have bought the electronic version. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...
On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: ...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's stroke the egos of those who've made us some money", but that would be cynical, wouldn't it? (I grudgingly note that most of the other books on the "Staff Picks" page appear *not* to be listed as "bestsellers", so perhaps it isn't a money thing. Maybe someone on their staff just finds Bill Robb irresistibly sexy and is trying to put the moves on him.) Anyway, the PDML book is still on the bestseller page, though it's the last book listed now. We *did* outlast "The Puppy Way to Pray", so that's some consolation. You know, if I had known /The Puppy Way to Pray/ had even a chance of beating our book, I never would have bought it. And really, it was just an okay read. But I have to admit, the puppy kneeling like that with its paws clasped was some powerful imagery. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...
On Mar 3, 2009, at 18:42 , Mark Roberts wrote: ...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured Yes, we're #1! Of 1089 books in Staff Picks. One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's stroke the egos of those who've made us some money", but that would be cynical, wouldn't it? (I grudgingly note that most of the other books on the "Staff Picks" page appear *not* to be listed as "bestsellers", so perhaps it isn't a money thing. Maybe someone on their staff just finds Bill Robb irresistibly sexy and is trying to put the moves on him.) Anyway, the PDML book is still on the bestseller page, though it's the last book listed now. We *did* outlast "The Puppy Way to Pray", so that's some consolation. 20th slot. How quickly we fall... :-) Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...
In a message dated 3/3/2009 7:26:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, l...@red4est.com writes: Been there, done that: http://red4est.com/pdapi I've been teaching performance driving for a car club for about 20 years. Back around '92 I put together some teaching notes, gave a copy to the guy that runs the club http://www.nasaproracing.com/ He said to turn them into a book and they'd sell it at the school. So I did. I had a master copy at a printerss, and when I'd need another batch they'd run them off. Unfortunately the master was lost, and I was halfway through the update. I've been trying to get around to finishing the update for about 15 years. Oh well. There's a reason that I write software for a living rather than publishing books. Now that they're national, I might actually be able to sell enough to pay for more than the ones I'd give away. == Looks like a lot of work. I've thought about doing a little book of my photography (when I have more). Hopefully, being all pictures it would be easier. Good luck with that. Marnie BTW, niggly little point, but you were being pedantic the other day about minty. :-) Could you change your email previously seen lines from # to > I find it hard to read around all those #. I also find comments made at bottom or top easier to read than inline. Most people only do inline on a long post. - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:10:55PM -0500, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: # = # What amazes me is how many publish their own books. Been there, done that: http://red4est.com/pdapi I've been teaching performance driving for a car club for about 20 years. Back around '92 I put together some teaching notes, gave a copy to the guy that runs the club http://www.nasaproracing.com/ He said to turn them into a book and they'd sell it at the school. So I did. I had a master copy at a printerss, and when I'd need another batch they'd run them off. Unfortunately the master was lost, and I was halfway through the update. I've been trying to get around to finishing the update for about 15 years. Oh well. There's a reason that I write software for a living rather than publishing books. Now that they're national, I might actually be able to sell enough to pay for more than the ones I'd give away. -- Photographs are like sentences, the best ones have both subjects and verbs. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 3/3/2009 6:43:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, msrobert...@ysu.edu writes: but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's stroke the egos of those who've made us some money", but that would be cynical, wouldn't it? (I grudgingly note that most of the other books on the "Staff Picks" page appear *not* to be listed as "bestsellers", so perhaps it isn't a money thing. Maybe someone on their staff just finds Bill Robb irresistibly sexy and is trying to put the moves on him.) Anyway, the PDML book is still on the bestseller page, though it's the last book listed now. We *did* outlast "The Puppy Way to Pray", so that's some consolation. = What amazes me is how many publish their own books. We're different from a lot of them in that we are a group, that could be the staff pick thing. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:42:51PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: > ...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured > > One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's stroke the > egos of those who've made us some money", but that would be cynical, > wouldn't it? (I grudgingly note that most of the other books on the > "Staff Picks" page appear *not* to be listed as "bestsellers", so > perhaps it isn't a money thing. Maybe someone on their staff just finds > Bill Robb irresistibly sexy and is trying to put the moves on him.) > > Anyway, the PDML book is still on the bestseller page, though it's the > last book listed now. We *did* outlast "The Puppy Way to Pray", so > that's some consolation. Make that "... back on the bestseller page". A day or so ago it wasn't there when I looked (although, interestingly enough, it showed up at #2 on the list of books in that category). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Sliding down the bestseller list...
...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's stroke the egos of those who've made us some money", but that would be cynical, wouldn't it? (I grudgingly note that most of the other books on the "Staff Picks" page appear *not* to be listed as "bestsellers", so perhaps it isn't a money thing. Maybe someone on their staff just finds Bill Robb irresistibly sexy and is trying to put the moves on him.) Anyway, the PDML book is still on the bestseller page, though it's the last book listed now. We *did* outlast "The Puppy Way to Pray", so that's some consolation. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
