Re: Curious ...

[John Sessoms]

Very late reply:

I have, but the results were not very good.

NOT a fault with the camera, but with the brain behind the eye behind 
the viewfinder.


On 6/28/2023 9:29 AM, coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:

Anyone here EVER use the double-exposure capacity of the LX?

I always thought it was cool, but never needed it so never got one.

(The only other PK body I’ve seen with double-exposure is that Promaster 2500 
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Re: Re: Curious ...

[collinb]

The K2 method is no different than any other camera with a rewind button on the 
bottom.

The LX was clearly special.
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Re: Curious ...

[ann sanfedele]

I vaguely remember trying it a couple of times back in the 80's -I 
mostly did double exposures in the darkroom.

ann

On 6/28/2023 3:52 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

I've used it. It worked in so far as the frames lined up properly.

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Re: Curious ...

[David Mann]

Pretty sure the K2 could do it too.  I remember using it once.

Cheers,
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Re: Curious ...

[John Sessoms]

I've used it. It worked in so far as the frames lined up properly.

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Curious ...

[collinb]

Anyone here EVER use the double-exposure capacity of the LX?

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Re: for Ann: Photographer Spots Curious Coincidences on New York City Sidewalks

[Paul Stenquist]

Fun stuff. Thanks for sharing!

> On Nov 17, 2021, at 2:40 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
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> This guy sure has the EYE!
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Re: for Ann: Photographer Spots Curious Coincidences on New York City Sidewalks

[ann sanfedele]

John - do read my post.on the subject . it should be just after yours..  
:-)


ann

On 11/17/2021 2:54 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
"a striking occurrence of two or more events at one time apparently by 
mere chance:"


The photographer applied his skills to capturing images of UN-related 
events that visually coincide, but if the "events" hadn't been there 
in the first place ...


Maybe "juxtaposition" would be a better word, but I think 
"coincidence" does work for the subject matter.



On 11/17/2021 2:36 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
That is a very interesting and effective group of images.  I have 
seen --

and admired -- Kogan's work previously.

It is hardly fair to call these photographs "Curious Coincidences on New
York City Sidewalks."  With one or two possible exceptions, they are not
scenes that were simply there to be seen, but carefully composed images
created out of the photographer's imaginative use of interesting 
items he
observed and then assembled, with the use of timing and angle of 
view, to

create something much more that was there by "coincidence."

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Re: for Ann: Photographer Spots Curious Coincidences on New York City Sidewalks

[ann sanfedele]

These are definitely my kinda thing - I'd loved to have captured any - 
even the intentional visual jokes..


 However, the write of the article doesn't know the meaning of the word 
"coincidence"  - these photos are all -ironic juxtaposition - also 
sometimes called

"visual puns"  .. not really coincidences.

but what is coincidental is that you posted this the day after there was 
an odd coincidence in my life relating to Mark C's Peso called Water 
Music...

so list related in a way..

I wrote him off list , and sent him the link to one of the items I'm 
selling on my creative Photo calendars site (and it is on cafepress 
marketplace too)
some of you have seen it.. but the link I sent Mark was directly to the 
individual listing. The item is a t-shirt with the notation of the first 
bar or two of Handel's "Water Music" as a design with the quote "I go 
for baroque" worked in to it.    Mark quipped back a bit later showing 
he recognized what it was.


A few hours later I was checking my reports on my STORE on CPC and at 
the top of the list of items sold was the very T-shirt I sent Mark the 
link to.
In (gasp) a size 3xL   Naturally, I wrote to him "Coincidence or...?"  
wondering if he had a large friend who liked Handel or had grown a lot 
himself.


Nope- neither were true.  Now THAT is a coincidence !  All I know is 
that the person who ordered it was no one I know either - one Barbara F.

Coincidence and mystery..

and likewise you posting an article titled "coincidence" just after this 
happened and directing it to me.  what fun!


ann
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Re: for Ann: Photographer Spots Curious Coincidences on New York City Sidewalks

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"a striking occurrence of two or more events at one time apparently by 
mere chance:"


The photographer applied his skills to capturing images of UN-related 
events that visually coincide, but if the "events" hadn't been there in 
the first place ...


Maybe "juxtaposition" would be a better word, but I think "coincidence" 
does work for the subject matter.



On 11/17/2021 2:36 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That is a very interesting and effective group of images.  I have seen --
and admired -- Kogan's work previously.

It is hardly fair to call these photographs "Curious Coincidences on New
York City Sidewalks."  With one or two possible exceptions, they are not
scenes that were simply there to be seen, but carefully composed images
created out of the photographer's imaginative use of interesting items he
observed and then assembled, with the use of timing and angle of view, to
create something much more that was there by "coincidence."

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Re: for Ann: Photographer Spots Curious Coincidences on New York City Sidewalks

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is a very interesting and effective group of images.  I have seen --
and admired -- Kogan's work previously.

It is hardly fair to call these photographs "Curious Coincidences on New
York City Sidewalks."  With one or two possible exceptions, they are not
scenes that were simply there to be seen, but carefully composed images
created out of the photographer's imaginative use of interesting items he
observed and then assembled, with the use of timing and angle of view, to
create something much more that was there by "coincidence."

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Re: Curious DemSelfies :-)

[John Sessoms]

Maybe staged (posed?) somehow rather than photoshopped?

On 11/9/2021 2:22 AM, Toine wrote:

First guess would be a lucky shot. In his collection I see many more
damselflies posing in groups. He must have found a way to enforce lucky
shots...

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Well, not quite that spelling, but I couldn't resist. :-)

https://seuppcdn01.1x.com/images/user/5dcd47081982253f66cc064214a9c63c-hd4.jpg

And the photographer, Abdul Gapur Dayak, - has a rather interesting
collection:
https://1x.com/photo/2070376

I am not sure if these photos are photoshopped (to the extent of combining
two different photos in one) - it is a bit hard to believe you can
actually have these creatures "posing" like that - right around the leaf
edge, but ... maybe?

What do you think?

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Re: Curious DemSelfies :-)

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First guess would be a lucky shot. In his collection I see many more
damselflies posing in groups. He must have found a way to enforce lucky
shots...

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> Well, not quite that spelling, but I couldn't resist. :-)
>
> https://seuppcdn01.1x.com/images/user/5dcd47081982253f66cc064214a9c63c-hd4.jpg
>
> And the photographer, Abdul Gapur Dayak, - has a rather interesting
> collection:
> https://1x.com/photo/2070376
>
> I am not sure if these photos are photoshopped (to the extent of combining
> two different photos in one) - it is a bit hard to believe you can
> actually have these creatures "posing" like that - right around the leaf
> edge, but ... maybe?
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Curious DemSelfies :-)

[Igor PDML-StR]

Well, not quite that spelling, but I couldn't resist. :-)
https://seuppcdn01.1x.com/images/user/5dcd47081982253f66cc064214a9c63c-hd4.jpg

And the photographer, Abdul Gapur Dayak, - has a rather interesting 
collection:

https://1x.com/photo/2070376

I am not sure if these photos are photoshopped (to the extent of combining 
two different photos in one) - it is a bit hard to believe you can 
actually have these creatures "posing" like that - right around the leaf 
edge, but ... maybe?


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Re: PESO - "2x2 = 4to" (plus some curious engineering facts)

[P.J. Alling]

I don't really deserve thanks, I commented on a comment, not on the 
image.  Which is very nice by the way.  I think the title should be 
"Youth and Vanity vs Age and Acceptance".  Not that the younger woman is 
vain exactly, but she is certainly aware of her attractiveness.


On 11/7/2016 8:51 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Thank you, Larry, Malcolm, P.J., Marco, John, and 
John-wherever-you-are-now for looking and commenting! ;-)


I am back home from the last week's conference travel, - and by this 
time, people may have figured out that this picture has been taken at 
"GUM" - "Upper Trading Rows", and iconic store in Moscow, Russia:

http://pug.komkon.org/16nov/slides/IR-%20IconicPlaces-Igor_IR34361.html

I am not sure if anybody read the Wikipedia linked below that image:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUM_%28department_store%29
It is a historic building with the first of its kind (at the time it 
was built - more than a century ago) engineering design.


Yet another structure built by the same engineer is the hyperboloid 
"Shukhov tower": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shukhov_Tower

(on the UNESCO's "Endangered Buildings" list).
Unfortunately, I don't have any of my own photos of it.

A few interesting engineering facts about it:
Shukhov invented hyperboloid towers (Patent of 1899, applied 1896).
The original design called for 350 meters height, and that would weigh 
2200 tons (metric). For comparison, Eiffel Tower (324 meters) weighs
over 10 000 tons. Due to the shortage of steel, Shukhov's tower is 
only 160-meters tall.
Based on this idea, in 2005-2009, a 600-meter-high hyperboloid Canton 
tower was built in Guangzhou, China. (For a brief moment it was the 
tallest tower in the world, taking over that title from the CN Tower 
in Toronto.)


A curious fact:
 In 1941, a postal airplane that was expriencing technical problems, 
touched with its wing the cable that was going from the top of the 
tower to the ground (at an angle), - a leftover from the construction, 
which was hanging there for several years since the tower was built. 
That torn off the winch that was at the ground end, but the tower 
remained intact and did not need any repairs. The plane crashed into 
the nearby house's yard.


Cheers,

Igor



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"Oops, I did it again!"  ;-)

Thank you, Larry. For you others who still cannot read URLs through 
the brain-wave channel:


http://42graphy.org/galleries/2016-08-05-RedSquare/_IR34357.html

Cheers,

Igor



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"2x2 = 4to"

Just a fun shot.

This photo is taken at an iconic place... The photo in the PUG will 
be the clue of where this happened.


All comments and suggestions are welcome.


Igor

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There was no opportunity/time to move to the side and "hide" him 
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Re: PESO - "2x2 = 4to" (plus some curious engineering facts)

[Igor PDML-StR]

Thank you, Larry, Malcolm, P.J., Marco, John, and 
John-wherever-you-are-now for looking and commenting! ;-)


I am back home from the last week's conference travel, - and by this time, 
people may have figured out that this picture has been taken at "GUM" - 
"Upper Trading Rows", and iconic store in Moscow, Russia:

http://pug.komkon.org/16nov/slides/IR-%20IconicPlaces-Igor_IR34361.html

I am not sure if anybody read the Wikipedia linked below that image:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUM_%28department_store%29
It is a historic building with the first of its kind (at the time it was 
built - more than a century ago) engineering design.


Yet another structure built by the same engineer is the hyperboloid 
"Shukhov tower": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shukhov_Tower

(on the UNESCO's "Endangered Buildings" list).
Unfortunately, I don't have any of my own photos of it.

A few interesting engineering facts about it:
Shukhov invented hyperboloid towers (Patent of 1899, applied 1896).
The original design called for 350 meters height, and that would weigh 
2200 tons (metric). For comparison, Eiffel Tower (324 meters) weighs
over 10 000 tons. Due to the shortage of steel, Shukhov's tower is only 
160-meters tall.
Based on this idea, in 2005-2009, a 600-meter-high hyperboloid Canton 
tower was built in Guangzhou, China. (For a brief moment it was the 
tallest tower in the world, taking over that title from the CN Tower in 
Toronto.)


A curious fact:
 In 1941, a postal airplane that was expriencing technical problems, 
touched with its wing the cable that was going from the top of the tower 
to the ground (at an angle), - a leftover from the construction, which was 
hanging there for several years since the tower was built. That torn off 
the winch that was at the ground end, but the tower remained intact and 
did not need any repairs. The plane crashed into the nearby house's yard.


Cheers,

Igor



On Thu, 3 Nov 2016, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



"Oops, I did it again!"  ;-)

Thank you, Larry. For you others who still cannot read URLs through the 
brain-wave channel:


http://42graphy.org/galleries/2016-08-05-RedSquare/_IR34357.html

Cheers,

Igor



On Thu, 3 Nov 2016, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




"2x2 = 4to"

Just a fun shot.

This photo is taken at an iconic place... The photo in the PUG will be the 
clue of where this happened.


All comments and suggestions are welcome.


Igor

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There was no opportunity/time to move to the side and "hide" him behind the 
man.







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Re: Curious about price differential on 50-135/2.8

[steve harley]

On 2015-02-15 23:22 , Darren Addy wrote:

There is one for $625 on Denver's Craigslist right now


*cough*


People tend to sell for less than whatever they bought it for, which
may be quite disconnected from the current new prices. With any SDM
lens, I would be suspicious of AF motor problems unless I had the
opportunity to try it out in person. SDM lenses are not something I
would recommend purchasing online, at least without a good Return
Policy, due to such concerns.


i do think SDM creates some price-depressing FUD; i am not too troubled by 
it because i know these can can be converted to screw drive, which i might 
even prefer; but in the end i'm not sure there's any SDM liens i really 
need; i priced mine based on market, the fact i don't have the box and i'm 
not the original owner, and to encourage an in-person sale — demand seems a 
little low in Denver area currently




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Re: Curious about price differential on 50-135/2.8

[Igor PDML-StR]

Darren,

Yes, I thought of the issues with the SDM.

As for the previous lower prices, - I do not think that's really a factor 
here. If it were a single case, I would understand, but it is really the 
market price. The market adjusts to the prices going up.
The prices being this low consistently, - means that there are plenty of 
offerings (and those are at this low price). Since this is not a "kit" 
lens (and more over, it's a great lens; in my opinion, it is the best of 
the DA* zooms that I've tried), I am not understanding why.


Igor


 Darren Addy Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:22:57 -0800 wrote:

There is one for $625 on Denver's Craigslist right now, which would be
tempting if I hadn't just blown a lot of moola on silver Limiteds.


People tend to sell for less than whatever they bought it for, which
may be quite disconnected from the current new prices. With any SDM
lens, I would be suspicious of AF motor problems unless I had the
opportunity to try it out in person. SDM lenses are not something I
would recommend purchasing online, at least without a good Return
Policy, due to such concerns.



On Mon, 16 Feb 2015, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



The extremely good Pentax 50-135/2.8 lens is priced at around 1000 USD or 
slightly higher, and could be bought at or slightly below $900 during the 
Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales.


However, I see that used they go much below that point. E.g. I saw one listed 
at $620 or so on PF, and there is one BIN at $650 on ebay.
So, I am curious why there is such a big difference between the new and used 
prices on this lens?

Any thoughts?

I am not on the market for this lens, as I have it. So, my question is purely 
"academic" at this point.


Igor




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Re: Curious about price differential on 50-135/2.8

[Darren Addy]

There is one for $625 on Denver's Craigslist right now, which would be
tempting if I hadn't just blown a lot of moola on silver Limiteds.

People tend to sell for less than whatever they bought it for, which
may be quite disconnected from the current new prices. With any SDM
lens, I would be suspicious of AF motor problems unless I had the
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would recommend purchasing online, at least without a good Return
Policy, due to such concerns.

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
> The extremely good Pentax 50-135/2.8 lens is priced at around 1000 USD or
> slightly higher, and could be bought at or slightly below $900 during the
> Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales.
>
> However, I see that used they go much below that point. E.g. I saw one
> listed at $620 or so on PF, and there is one BIN at $650 on ebay.
> So, I am curious why there is such a big difference between the new and used
> prices on this lens?
> Any thoughts?
>
> I am not on the market for this lens, as I have it. So, my question is
> purely "academic" at this point.
>
> Igor
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Curious about price differential on 50-135/2.8

[Igor PDML-StR]

The extremely good Pentax 50-135/2.8 lens is priced at around 1000 USD or 
slightly higher, and could be bought at or slightly below $900 during the 
Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales.


However, I see that used they go much below that point. E.g. I saw one 
listed at $620 or so on PF, and there is one BIN at $650 on ebay.
So, I am curious why there is such a big difference between the new and 
used prices on this lens?

Any thoughts?

I am not on the market for this lens, as I have it. So, my question is 
purely "academic" at this point.


Igor


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Re: Curious views on HCB

[Bob W-PDML]

Some of those comments appear to be reviews of the exhibition rather than of 
HCB's work. As far as critical and popular opinions of his work are concerned, 
most great artists under reappraisal and a dip in popularity after their death, 
so it shouldn't be a surprise if this happens to HCB.

Part of the value of criticism is in revealing things about the artist or their 
work that we might not otherwise have seen, and it might include things we 
disagree with strongly. So be it.

B

> On 16 May 2014, at 00:25, "Christine Aguila"  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone:
> 
> In the foreword to the 2013 edition of The Best American Travel Writing, 
> Jason Wilson includes some curious quotes from reviews of the HCB 
> retrospective exhibition at MOMA several years ago:
> 
> "The show was deemed 'almost unenduringly majestic' by The New Yorker's Peter 
> Schjeldshl, who gave this stern assessment of what he called [HCB's] 
> 'platitudinous' work:  'richly satisfies the eye and the mind, while numbing 
> the heart.'  This was seconded by the [NYT] Holland Cotter, who claimed that 
> [HCB] 'ideas and emotions are diffuse' and that 'surprisingly little tension 
> builds' in the exhibition. Both critics trotted out tired old comparisons to 
> the work of Robert Frank, a detractor of [HCB] who once unjustly said of the 
> older photographer, 'He traveled all over the world, and you never felt he 
> was moved by something that was happening other than the beauty of it, or 
> just the composition.'"
> 
> I have to say I was surprised by these views, and I wasn't aware of Frank's 
> position.  Any thoughts from the list?
> 
> Cheers, Christine 
> 
> P.S.  I wouldn't recommend this edition of BA Travel writing.  To much of the 
> work was down right dull. 
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Re: Curious views on HCB

[Christine Aguila]

I think I agree with you Mark about Frank's comments, and think the point, 
which I might agree with to a degree, is made a bit too sharply. 
Cheers, Christine 

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> On May 15, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Well first off, the critics quoted come off as exactly the kind of
> pretentious, self-important wankers who give art and artists a bad
> name. They're the visual equivalent of wine snobs ("flaccid!",
> "absurd!", "fruity, yet arrogant").
> 
> I understand Frank's criticism and agree to a limited extent, but he
> goes much too far with it. Probably a little professional jealousy
> going on there.
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Re: Curious views on HCB

[Christine Aguila]

The point about curation is well taken, Ann.  Interestingly, with respect to 
the music biz, Johnny Lovine, Beats owner, talks about the lack of curation in 
the digital music business--here's the video. 

http://www.thatericalper.com/2014/05/10/watch-beats-electronics-jimmy-iovine-talk-about-the-future-of-music-for-40-minutes/

All the Arts still need good human curation despite this digital age. 
Cheers, Christine 

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> On May 15, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> When you said you were not aware of Frank's position I thought of OUR Frank - 
> who certainly is a fan of HCB as am I.  I didn't know about Robert Frank's 
> opinion either.
> 
> I saw the exhibit at MOMA - my final opinion was that it was too inclusive - 
> that is - there was too much of the work that he did
> strictly for pay, not his personal work and that somehow watered down
> the impression someone might have who was unfamiliar with him.
> 
> when I was there, I ran into an old friend who happened upon some of that 
> work before seeing the iconic images and was leaning toward not
> being very impressed - so I took him to the good stuff :-)  and he thanked 
> me.  This is a friend whose background is steeped in art and
> who has a good eye doing his own mostly travel photography for the memories.  
> His father is a reknowned art collector (fairly recently deceased) - my point 
> being just that he isn't a casual observer.
> 
> anyway, I love HCB and thought that the exhibit was poorly curated
> and did him a disservice.
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 5/15/2014 17:32, Christine Aguila wrote:
>> Hi Everyone:
>> 
>> In the foreword to the 2013 edition of The Best American Travel Writing, 
>> Jason Wilson includes some curious quotes from reviews of the HCB 
>> retrospective exhibition at MOMA several years ago:
>> 
>> "The show was deemed 'almost unenduringly majestic'
> by The New Yorker's Peter Schjeldshl, who gave this stern assessment
> of what he called [HCB's] 'platitudinous' work:
> 'richly satisfies the eye and the mind, while numbing the heart.'
>  This was seconded by the [NYT] Holland Cotter, who claimed that [HCB]
> 'ideas and emotions are diffuse' and that 'surprisingly little tension builds'
> in the exhibition.
> Both critics trotted out tired old comparisons to the work of Robert Frank, a 
> detractor of [HCB] who once unjustly said of the older photographer, 'He 
> traveled all over the world, and you never felt he was moved by something 
> that was happening other than the beauty of it, or just the composition.'"
>> 
>> I have to say I was surprised by these views, and I wasn't aware of Frank's 
>> position.
> 
>  Any thoughts from the list?
>> 
>> Cheers, Christine
>> 
>> P.S.  I wouldn't recommend this edition of BA Travel writing.  To much of 
>> the work was down right dull.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Curious views on HCB

[Mark Roberts]

Well first off, the critics quoted come off as exactly the kind of
pretentious, self-important wankers who give art and artists a bad
name. They're the visual equivalent of wine snobs ("flaccid!",
"absurd!", "fruity, yet arrogant").

I understand Frank's criticism and agree to a limited extent, but he
goes much too far with it. Probably a little professional jealousy
going on there.

 
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Re: Curious views on HCB

[Ann Sanfedele]

When you said you were not aware of Frank's position I thought of OUR 
Frank - who certainly is a fan of HCB as am I.  I didn't know about 
Robert Frank's opinion either.


I saw the exhibit at MOMA - my final opinion was that it was too 
inclusive - that is - there was too much of the work that he did

strictly for pay, not his personal work and that somehow watered down
the impression someone might have who was unfamiliar with him.

when I was there, I ran into an old friend who happened upon some of 
that work before seeing the iconic images and was leaning toward not
being very impressed - so I took him to the good stuff :-)  and he 
thanked me.  This is a friend whose background is steeped in art and
who has a good eye doing his own mostly travel photography for the 
memories.  His father is a reknowned art collector (fairly recently 
deceased) - my point being just that he isn't a casual observer.


anyway, I love HCB and thought that the exhibit was poorly curated
and did him a disservice.

ann

On 5/15/2014 17:32, Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Everyone:

In the foreword to the 2013 edition of The Best American Travel Writing, Jason 
Wilson includes some curious quotes from reviews of the HCB retrospective 
exhibition at MOMA several years ago:

"The show was deemed 'almost unenduringly majestic'

 by The New Yorker's Peter Schjeldshl, who gave this stern assessment
of what he called [HCB's] 'platitudinous' work:
 'richly satisfies the eye and the mind, while numbing the heart.'
  This was seconded by the [NYT] Holland Cotter, who claimed that [HCB]
 'ideas and emotions are diffuse' and that 'surprisingly little tension 
builds'

 in the exhibition.
Both critics trotted out tired old comparisons to the work of Robert 
Frank, a detractor of [HCB] who once unjustly said of the older 
photographer, 'He traveled all over the world, and you never felt he was 
moved by something that was happening other than the beauty of it, or 
just the composition.'"


I have to say I was surprised by these views, and I wasn't aware of Frank's 
position.


  Any thoughts from the list?


Cheers, Christine

P.S.  I wouldn't recommend this edition of BA Travel writing.  To much of the 
work was down right dull.

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Curious views on HCB

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Everyone:

In the foreword to the 2013 edition of The Best American Travel Writing, Jason 
Wilson includes some curious quotes from reviews of the HCB retrospective 
exhibition at MOMA several years ago:

"The show was deemed 'almost unenduringly majestic' by The New Yorker's Peter 
Schjeldshl, who gave this stern assessment of what he called [HCB's] 
'platitudinous' work:  'richly satisfies the eye and the mind, while numbing 
the heart.'  This was seconded by the [NYT] Holland Cotter, who claimed that 
[HCB] 'ideas and emotions are diffuse' and that 'surprisingly little tension 
builds' in the exhibition. Both critics trotted out tired old comparisons to 
the work of Robert Frank, a detractor of [HCB] who once unjustly said of the 
older photographer, 'He traveled all over the world, and you never felt he was 
moved by something that was happening other than the beauty of it, or just the 
composition.'"

I have to say I was surprised by these views, and I wasn't aware of Frank's 
position.  Any thoughts from the list?

Cheers, Christine 

P.S.  I wouldn't recommend this edition of BA Travel writing.  To much of the 
work was down right dull. 

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Re: Another shot from London - Curious Incident

[John]

On 1/27/2014 7:14 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Miserere wrote:


On 27 January 2014 12:26, Mark Roberts  wrote:

http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/london1/7de01340.html

If you've followed the news from London in the past couple of months
you'll get the title...


I have not, so I don't :-(


As you can see from the sign, the play showing at the theatre in the
Photo is "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time". It's
been canceled because the ceiling of the theatre collapsed in early
December. Hence, a curious incident.




What happened to the dog? Hope he came through ok.

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Re: Another shot from London - Curious Incident

[Rick Womer]

Curious indeed!  No dog, and a daytime picture! (and an intriguing one, at that)
On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:26 , Mark Roberts wrote:

> http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/london1/7de01340.html
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Re: Another shot from London - Curious Incident

[Mark Roberts]

Miserere wrote:

>On 27 January 2014 12:26, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/london1/7de01340.html
>>
>> If you've followed the news from London in the past couple of months
>> you'll get the title...
>>
>I have not, so I don't :-(

As you can see from the sign, the play showing at the theatre in the
Photo is "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time". It's
been canceled because the ceiling of the theatre collapsed in early
December. Hence, a curious incident.
 
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Re: Another shot from London - Curious Incident

[Miserere]

I have not, so I don't :-(

Cheers,


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On 27 January 2014 12:26, Mark Roberts  wrote:
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Re: Another shot from London - Curious Incident

[Igor Roshchin]

I am sure I missed some of the photos from the series, but 
I like some of the HDR shots, especially this one:
http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/london1/7de0141122.html

The one you posted to the list,
http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/london1/7de0122932.html
is nice as well. 
But in the one above, HDR combined with the extreme wide-angle
(was it a fish eye, or did you add distortion in post-processing?)
gives it a painted look, in some sort of "grotesque" style.

I also like this one for the interesting contrast of 
the light and colors:
http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/london1/7de0031720.html
Here, the ghosts do not distract (as they do in some other photos),
but actually help the overall athmosphere.

The panoramic photo is fun too, although, I'd wish the arch would be in
either in the middle, or a bit more off center, err. centre. :-)


Thanks for sharing,

Igor


Mon Jan 27 12:26:40 EST 2014
Mark Roberts wrote:

> http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/london1/7de01340.html
> 
> If you've followed the news from London in the past couple of months
> you'll get the title...




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Re: Another shot from London - Curious Incident

[Ann Sanfedele]

Oh dear..

ann

On 1/27/2014 12:26, Mark Roberts wrote:

http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/london1/7de01340.html

If you've followed the news from London in the past couple of months
you'll get the title...




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Another shot from London - Curious Incident

[Mark Roberts]

http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/london1/7de01340.html

If you've followed the news from London in the past couple of months
you'll get the title...


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Re: PESO: Curious Gull

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Ken! If you had read my original upload you would have seen my remarks 
re the overexposure. Later, I included an additional reference  defiling myself 
for allowing the "bloom", especially that on the Gull's head. I simply out 
exposed the shutter.
As I responded to another critiquer, I also feel it's a slightly tight crop. 
This image has about come to the end of its life and, alas, will go out in its 
present form. ;)

Jack

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> From: Ken Waller 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Curious Gull
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 4:19 PM
> Nice capture overall.
> I agree with Paul on the overexposure.
> I'd like a little more room between the wing tips & the
> image edges.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
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> 
> ----- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Curious Gull
> 
> 
> > Nicely framed here. Perhaps a bit overexposed on his
> head and the edge of the wing, but a highlight doesn't
> always detract, and here I find it quite acceptable.
> > Paul
> > 
> > On Apr 14, 2011, at 3:10 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> > 
> >> I'm not sure it's curiosity, looks more like
> sizing up for a strafing run...
> >> 
> >> On 4/13/2011 4:37 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> >>> Like the "curious" tilt of the head. Fun at
> the lake.
> >>> The sun was in and out and I may have out
> exposed the shutter a wee bit. heck!
> >>> 
> >>> Comments encourages.
> >>> 
> >>> Jack
> >>> 
> >>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=588
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Re: PESO: Curious Gull

[Ken Waller]

Nice capture overall.
I agree with Paul on the overexposure.
I'd like a little more room between the wing tips & the image edges.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 

Subject: Re: PESO: Curious Gull


Nicely framed here. Perhaps a bit overexposed on his head and the edge of 
the wing, but a highlight doesn't always detract, and here I find it quite 
acceptable.

Paul

On Apr 14, 2011, at 3:10 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I'm not sure it's curiosity, looks more like sizing up for a strafing 
run...


On 4/13/2011 4:37 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Like the "curious" tilt of the head. Fun at the lake.
The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. 
heck!


Comments encourages.

Jack

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Re: PESO: Curious Gull

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Paul. I got a bit shutter speed over zealous for the changing light. 
May have been conditions for TAV.(?)

Jack

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> From: Paul Stenquist 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Curious Gull
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> Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 3:51 AM
> Nicely framed here. Perhaps a bit
> overexposed on his head and the edge of the wing, but a
> highlight doesn't always detract, and here I find it quite
> acceptable.
> Paul
> 
> On Apr 14, 2011, at 3:10 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> 
> > I'm not sure it's curiosity, looks more like sizing up
> for a strafing run...
> > 
> > On 4/13/2011 4:37 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> >> Like the "curious" tilt of the head. Fun at the
> lake.
> >> The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed
> the shutter a wee bit. heck!
> >> 
> >> Comments encourages.
> >> 
> >> Jack
> >> 
> >> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=588
> >> 
> >> K-5, DA 55~300@300mm, f/8, 1/8000, ISO 1600
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: PESO: Curious Gull

[Jack Davis]

LoL.. Could have been, Peter. One of them left a deposit on my windshield while 
parked that day. Actually, he looks sorta guilty at that. ;)

Jack

--- On Thu, 4/14/11, P. J. Alling  wrote:

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> Subject: Re: PESO: Curious Gull
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> Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 12:10 AM
> I'm not sure it's curiosity, looks
> more like sizing up for a strafing run...
> 
> On 4/13/2011 4:37 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> > Like the "curious" tilt of the head. Fun at the lake.
> > The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the
> shutter a wee bit. heck!
> >
> > Comments encourages.
> >
> > Jack
> >
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> >
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> >
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Re: Curious Gull

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Christine! I agree with you about the crop being tight. I didn't catch 
it in the frame center and cropped to even the proximity of the wings to the 
frame edge. 
Will hang on to it as is for now.

Jack

--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Christine  Aguila  wrote:

> From: Christine  Aguila 
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> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 9:22 PM
> Great tilt of the head, Jack. 
> Nice catch.  Yields a nice animal expression. Crop is a
> little tight for my eye.  Would prefer a bit more space
> around the wing span.  Cheers, Christine
> 
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Re: PESO: Curious Gull

[Paul Stenquist]

Nicely framed here. Perhaps a bit overexposed on his head and the edge of the 
wing, but a highlight doesn't always detract, and here I find it quite 
acceptable.
Paul

On Apr 14, 2011, at 3:10 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> I'm not sure it's curiosity, looks more like sizing up for a strafing run...
> 
> On 4/13/2011 4:37 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> Like the "curious" tilt of the head. Fun at the lake.
>> The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. 
>> heck!
>> 
>> Comments encourages.
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=588
>> 
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>> 
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Re: PESO: Curious Gull

[P. J. Alling]

I'm not sure it's curiosity, looks more like sizing up for a strafing run...

On 4/13/2011 4:37 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Like the "curious" tilt of the head. Fun at the lake.
The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. heck!

Comments encourages.

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Re: Curious Gull

[Christine Aguila]

Great tilt of the head, Jack.  Nice catch.  Yields a nice animal expression. 
Crop is a little tight for my eye.  Would prefer a bit more space around the 
wing span.  Cheers, Christine



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Like the "curious" tilt of the head. Fun at the lake.
The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. 
heck!


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RE: PESO: Curious Gull

[Jeffery Johnson]

It isn't too bad Jack


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Thanks, Jeff! There is a bit of bloom on the head due to slight over
exposure. Not a lot, but I would rather it not be there.

Jack

--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Jeffery Johnson  wrote:

> From: Jeffery Johnson 
> Subject: RE: PESO: Curious Gull
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> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 4:30 PM Nice capture of the gull... 
> all the tones and colors are spot on...
> 
> ___
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> -Original Message-
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> 
> Like the "curious" tilt of the head. Fun at the lake.
> The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee 
> bit.
> heck!
> 
> Comments encourages.
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RE: PESO: Curious Gull

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Jeff! There is a bit of bloom on the head due to slight over exposure. 
Not a lot, but I would rather it not be there.

Jack

--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Jeffery Johnson  wrote:

> From: Jeffery Johnson 
> Subject: RE: PESO: Curious Gull
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> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 4:30 PM
> Nice capture of the gull... all the
> tones and colors are spot on...
> 
> ___
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> 
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Jack
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:37 PM
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> Subject: PESO: Curious Gull
> 
> Like the "curious" tilt of the head. Fun at the lake.
> The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the
> shutter a wee bit.
> heck!
> 
> Comments encourages.
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> Jack
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RE: PESO: Curious Gull

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Nice capture of the gull... all the tones and colors are spot on...

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Like the "curious" tilt of the head. Fun at the lake.
The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit.
heck!

Comments encourages.

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Re: PESO: Curious Gull

[Jack Davis]

Yes, cropped. (About 50%)
Thankk you, Stan!

Jack)

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> From: Stan Halpin 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Curious Gull
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> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 3:14 PM
> Very nice gull! Well framed
> (cropped?).
> 
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
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> > The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the
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Re: PESO: Curious Gull

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Very nice gull! Well framed (cropped?).

On Apr 13, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

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> The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. heck!
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PESO: Curious Gull

[Jack Davis]

Like the "curious" tilt of the head. Fun at the lake.
The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. heck!

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Re: PESO - Curious pup

[frank theriault]

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:20 AM, AlunFoto  wrote:
> Elephant seals are strange animals...
> As mammals come, their investment in parental care is pretty scant.
> Blog link only this time, since there are two pics:
> http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2009/12/curious-pup.html

Looks like they haven't learned to fear humans yet.  Hopefully they'll
never have reason to.

Wonderful shots, Jostein.

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Re: PESO - Curious pup

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/5/2009 6:20:17 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
alunf...@gmail.com writes:
Elephant seals are strange  animals...
As mammals come, their investment in parental care is pretty  scant.
Blog link only this time, since there are two  pics:
http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2009/12/curious-pup.html

Jostein


===
Love  the photo of the pup sniffing the guy.

 Not that I  could stand all that cold and snow, I couldn't.

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Re: PESO - Curious pup

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Interesting behavioral moments, Jostein!

Jack

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PESO - Curious pup

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Elephant seals are strange animals...
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Re: Curious - who would make a no-name 85/1.4

[P. J. Alling]

Possibly anyone interested for Pentax might be put off by the lens 
mount, which is apparently Nikon F.  So anyone looking for Pentax lenses 
would look elsewhere, and anyone looking for Nikon lenses wouldn't 
bother to look...


Derby Chang wrote:


I had this on my ebay watch list and no one seems to have bought. Not 
that I'm interested either (my FA85 and the phrase cold dead hands 
comes to mind), but who would make a generic 85/1.4 lens. Seems odd


Looks Tokina-ish
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360107016306&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:AU:1123 


http://tinyurl.com/5r662d

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RE: Curious - who would make a no-name 85/1.4

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From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Samyang.

http://www.syopt.co.kr/eng/product/manual_zoom.asp

Bob 


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> 
> I had this on my ebay watch list and no one seems to have bought. Not 
> that I'm interested either (my FA85 and the phrase cold dead 
> hands comes 
> to mind), but who would make a generic 85/1.4 lens. Seems odd
> 
> Looks Tokina-ish

> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=36010701
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RE: Curious - who would make a no-name 85/1.4

[Brendan MacRae]

Wierd. They note it goes to f22 but the one in the
eBay ad only stopped to f16.

-Brendan
--- Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Samyang.
> 
> http://www.syopt.co.kr/eng/product/manual_zoom.asp
> 
> Bob 
> 
> > 
> > I had this on my ebay watch list and no one seems
> to have bought. Not 
> > that I'm interested either (my FA85 and the phrase
> cold dead 
> > hands comes 
> > to mind), but who would make a generic 85/1.4
> lens. Seems odd
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Re: Curious - who would make a no-name 85/1.4

[Boris Liberman]

I've FA 77 limited which serves all my moderate tele needs just nicely ;-).


Adam Maas wrote:

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi!

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Loks like Samyang may be looking at moving up in the lens world.
They're currently the replacement for Cosina at the low end of the 3rd
party market.

Adam, is the above the long version of "rubbish"?

;-)

Boris


Nope, it's 'it might actually not be rubbish'. Of course it's almost
as much as the Zeiss (That one Australian posting is about half the
price of the Samyang 85 elsewhere), so I'd recommend just buying the
Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 which is a proven performer.




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Re: Curious - who would make a no-name 85/1.4

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On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Loks like Samyang may be looking at moving up in the lens world.
>> They're currently the replacement for Cosina at the low end of the 3rd
>> party market.
>
> Adam, is the above the long version of "rubbish"?
>
> ;-)
>
> Boris

Nope, it's 'it might actually not be rubbish'. Of course it's almost
as much as the Zeiss (That one Australian posting is about half the
price of the Samyang 85 elsewhere), so I'd recommend just buying the
Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 which is a proven performer.

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Re: Curious - who would make a no-name 85/1.4

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Hi!

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Loks like Samyang may be looking at moving up in the lens world.
> They're currently the replacement for Cosina at the low end of the 3rd
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Adam, is the above the long version of "rubbish"?

;-)

Boris

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Re: Curious - who would make a no-name 85/1.4

[Adam Maas]

Interestingly, it's an Aspherical design, which is somewhat exotic for
an 85. Wonder if it's any good.

Loks like Samyang may be looking at moving up in the lens world.
They're currently the replacement for Cosina at the low end of the 3rd
party market.

-Adam

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:58 AM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Samyang.
>
> http://www.syopt.co.kr/eng/product/manual_zoom.asp
>
> Bob
>
>>
>> I had this on my ebay watch list and no one seems to have bought. Not
>> that I'm interested either (my FA85 and the phrase cold dead
>> hands comes
>> to mind), but who would make a generic 85/1.4 lens. Seems odd
>>
>> Looks Tokina-ish
>> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=36010701
>> 6306&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:AU:1123
>> http://tinyurl.com/5r662d
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RE: Curious - who would make a no-name 85/1.4

[Bob W]

Samyang.

http://www.syopt.co.kr/eng/product/manual_zoom.asp

Bob 

> 
> I had this on my ebay watch list and no one seems to have bought. Not 
> that I'm interested either (my FA85 and the phrase cold dead 
> hands comes 
> to mind), but who would make a generic 85/1.4 lens. Seems odd
> 
> Looks Tokina-ish
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=36010701
> 6306&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:AU:1123
> http://tinyurl.com/5r662d
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Curious - who would make a no-name 85/1.4

[Derby Chang]

I had this on my ebay watch list and no one seems to have bought. Not 
that I'm interested either (my FA85 and the phrase cold dead hands comes 
to mind), but who would make a generic 85/1.4 lens. Seems odd


Looks Tokina-ish
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360107016306&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:AU:1123
http://tinyurl.com/5r662d

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Re: Got curious about announced Pentax Products

[P. J. Alling]

Well it is a bargain, it's made of the rarest material known to man 
unobtainium yet sells for zero yes zero dollars...

Leon Altoff wrote:
> If only.
>
> I've been waiting for this lens since it was announced.  I still need to 
> decide between it and the Sigma 100-300 f4, but I couldn't bring myself 
> to buy the Sigma without comparing it to this lens.
>
> Soon.  Soon.
>
>   Leon
>
> http://www.bluering.org.au
> http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
>
>
> P. J. Alling wrote:
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>> This one seem like quite the bargain...
>>
>> http://www.parkcameras.com/ProductDetails/mcs/productID/5298
>>
>> 
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Re: Got curious about announced Pentax Products

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> This one seem like quite the bargain...
> 
> http://www.parkcameras.com/ProductDetails/mcs/productID/5298

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Re: Got curious about announced Pentax Products

[Leon Altoff]

If only.

I've been waiting for this lens since it was announced.  I still need to 
decide between it and the Sigma 100-300 f4, but I couldn't bring myself 
to buy the Sigma without comparing it to this lens.

Soon.  Soon.

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> This one seem like quite the bargain...
> 
> http://www.parkcameras.com/ProductDetails/mcs/productID/5298
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RE: Got curious about announced Pentax Products

[John Wittingham]

Great, I'll put my name down for one!

John

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It seems to be manufactured from the same material at the same low price.

John Wittingham wrote:
> Well worth the asking price, it would sit nicely in a camera bag with the DA* 
> 300/4 and DA 16-45/4.
>
> Any news on the SDM teleconverter? Spec, price etc.
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: Got curious about announced Pentax Products

[P. J. Alling]

It seems to be manufactured from the same material at the same low price.

John Wittingham wrote:
> Well worth the asking price, it would sit nicely in a camera bag with the DA* 
> 300/4 and DA 16-45/4.
>
> Any news on the SDM teleconverter? Spec, price etc.
>
> Regards,
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RE: Got curious about announced Pentax Products

[John Wittingham]

Well worth the asking price, it would sit nicely in a camera bag with the DA* 
300/4 and DA 16-45/4.

Any news on the SDM teleconverter? Spec, price etc.

Regards,

John

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This one seem like quite the bargain...

http://www.parkcameras.com/ProductDetails/mcs/productID/5298

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Re: Got curious about announced Pentax Products

[Stan Halpin]

I agree - I would pay two or three times as much for this lens.

stan

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> This one seem like quite the bargain...
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> http://www.parkcameras.com/ProductDetails/mcs/productID/5298
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[P. J. Alling]

This one seem like quite the bargain...

http://www.parkcameras.com/ProductDetails/mcs/productID/5298

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Re: Curious Auctions

[Paul Stenquist]

Yeah, this is a recurring scam. And it's usually the FA* 85/1.4  
that's offered.
On May 9, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:
> I know we shouldn't discuss current auctions here, but I am also
> confident that no one here is foolish enough to bid on a dodgy one.
>
> Does anyone else think it strange that a certain auction site suddenly
> has three FA* 85 F1.4s for sale?
>
> Two are in China and one in Poland. I recall that this dealer in  
> Poland
> has from time to time advertised some extraordinary lenses, and
> questions have been raised about him.
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Curious Auctions

[Joseph Tainter]

I know we shouldn't discuss current auctions here, but I am also 
confident that no one here is foolish enough to bid on a dodgy one.

Does anyone else think it strange that a certain auction site suddenly 
has three FA* 85 F1.4s for sale?

Two are in China and one in Poland. I recall that this dealer in Poland 
has from time to time advertised some extraordinary lenses, and 
questions have been raised about him.

Joe

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Re: curious K10D behavior ... possible bug ...

[Thibouille]

To be more precise about what I read (I will try to find back the post on DPR)
Pentax added a number in the field identifiying the lens. The added a
0 probably 'cos they want to expand available codes I guess. Of course
Lightroom do not understand anymore.

That's what I read. Can't check myself.
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2007/6/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> On Jun 13, 2007, at 3:26 PM, Thibouille wrote:
>
> > The lens data bug is caused by firmware 1.20 I've read on DpReview.
> > Can't say more 'cos I run 1.10 no problem at all so far.
>
> I've got 4000 exposures made with all versions of the K10D firmware
> and all lenses, dating back to the beginning of December. There is no
> difference in the lens data in the files that I can detect.
>
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Re: curious K10D behavior ... possible bug ...

[Jan van Wijk]

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:03:02 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>> Another lightroom bug: the lens used is not imported with PEF.
>
>The lens data for older lenses is properly interpreted in both  
>Lightroom and Bridge/Camera Raw, regardless of whether I have the  
>camera set to create PEF or DNG files. Of my lenses, the DA21 and  
>DA70 are not interpreted and their names don't appear in the lens  
>data sections of either Bridge's metadata view or LR's metadata browser.
>
>PPL interprets them correctly so I suspect the issue is that the  
>format or specific codes have changed and Adobe hasn't yet  
>incorporated the changes into their metadata parser.

Well, I noticed quite a few of the newer Pentax lenses are NOT
interpreted correctly in Lightrom 1.0. They all end up as 'unknown'
which makes the lens statistics less useful :-)

I think there was a list floating around the PDML not too long ago
that had all the lens-codes as used by Pentax ...

Perhaps it would be a good idea to send that to Adobe so
they could improve for the next release/update.

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Re: curious K10D behavior ... possible bug ...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jun 13, 2007, at 4:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>
> On Jun 13, 2007, at 3:26 PM, Thibouille wrote:
>
>> The lens data bug is caused by firmware 1.20 I've read on DpReview.
>> Can't say more 'cos I run 1.10 no problem at all so far.
>
> I've got 4000 exposures made with all versions of the K10D firmware
> and all lenses, dating back to the beginning of December. There is no
> difference in the lens data in the files that I can detect.

Error: closer to 14,000 exposures ... Damm fingers. ;-)

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Re: curious K10D behavior ... possible bug ...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jun 13, 2007, at 3:26 PM, Thibouille wrote:

> The lens data bug is caused by firmware 1.20 I've read on DpReview.
> Can't say more 'cos I run 1.10 no problem at all so far.

I've got 4000 exposures made with all versions of the K10D firmware  
and all lenses, dating back to the beginning of December. There is no  
difference in the lens data in the files that I can detect.

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Re: curious K10D behavior ... possible bug ...

[Bruce Dayton]

I use SilkyPix - the one you pay for.  So far, with about 15,000
frames shot, I have not encountered the problem you are describing.

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Wednesday, June 13, 2007, 2:25:36 PM, you wrote:

T> I also noticed some files didn't import properly. Tried 2 test shots
T> facing and bingo one of them won't import.
T> Another lightroom bug: the lens used is not imported with PEF. I must
T> check DNG but PEF is smaller.

T> On 6/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I noticed now and then that there were a few K10D PEF files that
>> neither Lightroom nor DNG Converter could read. Pentax Photo Browser
>> always reads them and can write them out as DNG files. Once that's
>> done, both LR and DNG Converter can read them.
>>
>> Today I did a bunch of product shots and had the camera pointed face
>> down on a copy stand. 3/4 of the PEFs were unreadable by Lightroom,
>> but all were just fine to open and output as DNGs with Pentax
>> Browser. As I look through my libraries, all the PEF files that fail
>> were made with the camera pointed down.
>>
>> No DNG file made by the camera has ever been unreadable by Lightroom
>> or Camera Raw...
>>
>> Seems to me that there must be something funky about the PEF file
>> created when the orientation sensor is in an ambiguous position... ??
>>
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Re: curious K10D behavior ... possible bug ...

[Thibouille]

The lens data bug is caused by firmware 1.20 I've read on DpReview.
Can't say more 'cos I run 1.10 no problem at all so far.

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2007/6/13, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I noticed now and then that there were a few K10D PEF files that
> neither Lightroom nor DNG Converter could read. Pentax Photo Browser
> always reads them and can write them out as DNG files. Once that's
> done, both LR and DNG Converter can read them.
>
> Today I did a bunch of product shots and had the camera pointed face
> down on a copy stand. 3/4 of the PEFs were unreadable by Lightroom,
> but all were just fine to open and output as DNGs with Pentax
> Browser. As I look through my libraries, all the PEF files that fail
> were made with the camera pointed down.
>
> No DNG file made by the camera has ever been unreadable by Lightroom
> or Camera Raw...
>
> Seems to me that there must be something funky about the PEF file
> created when the orientation sensor is in an ambiguous position... ??
>
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Re: curious K10D behavior ... possible bug ...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jun 13, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Toine wrote:

> I also noticed some files didn't import properly. Tried 2 test shots
> facing and bingo one of them won't import.
> Another lightroom bug: the lens used is not imported with PEF.

The lens data for older lenses is properly interpreted in both  
Lightroom and Bridge/Camera Raw, regardless of whether I have the  
camera set to create PEF or DNG files. Of my lenses, the DA21 and  
DA70 are not interpreted and their names don't appear in the lens  
data sections of either Bridge's metadata view or LR's metadata browser.

PPL interprets them correctly so I suspect the issue is that the  
format or specific codes have changed and Adobe hasn't yet  
incorporated the changes into their metadata parser.

I should find a pair of PEF files that were taken side by side, one  
that parses and one that doesn't, and analyze their differences... if  
I get energetic enough and care enough, of course. It seems a  
moderately trivial issue as I can stop it from happening by simply  
switching the capture mode to DNG.

> I must check DNG but PEF is smaller.

K10D RAW/PEF files are losslessly compressed, K10D RAW/DNG files are  
not. This has no bearing on the metadata, they both contain the full  
complement of K10D metadata (or are supposed to).

Godfrey

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Re: curious K10D behavior ... possible bug ...

[Toine]

I also noticed some files didn't import properly. Tried 2 test shots
facing and bingo one of them won't import.
Another lightroom bug: the lens used is not imported with PEF. I must
check DNG but PEF is smaller.

On 6/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I noticed now and then that there were a few K10D PEF files that
> neither Lightroom nor DNG Converter could read. Pentax Photo Browser
> always reads them and can write them out as DNG files. Once that's
> done, both LR and DNG Converter can read them.
>
> Today I did a bunch of product shots and had the camera pointed face
> down on a copy stand. 3/4 of the PEFs were unreadable by Lightroom,
> but all were just fine to open and output as DNGs with Pentax
> Browser. As I look through my libraries, all the PEF files that fail
> were made with the camera pointed down.
>
> No DNG file made by the camera has ever been unreadable by Lightroom
> or Camera Raw...
>
> Seems to me that there must be something funky about the PEF file
> created when the orientation sensor is in an ambiguous position... ??
>
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Re: curious K10D behavior ... possible bug ...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
Subject: curious K10D behavior ... possible bug ...



>
> Seems to me that there must be something funky about the PEF file
> created when the orientation sensor is in an ambiguous position... ??

I'll have alook at if mine does that too. I will be doing quite a bit of 
product photography fairly soon, and don't need that as a problem.

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curious K10D behavior ... possible bug ...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I noticed now and then that there were a few K10D PEF files that  
neither Lightroom nor DNG Converter could read. Pentax Photo Browser  
always reads them and can write them out as DNG files. Once that's  
done, both LR and DNG Converter can read them.

Today I did a bunch of product shots and had the camera pointed face  
down on a copy stand. 3/4 of the PEFs were unreadable by Lightroom,  
but all were just fine to open and output as DNGs with Pentax  
Browser. As I look through my libraries, all the PEF files that fail  
were made with the camera pointed down.

No DNG file made by the camera has ever been unreadable by Lightroom  
or Camera Raw...

Seems to me that there must be something funky about the PEF file  
created when the orientation sensor is in an ambiguous position... ??

Godfrey

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RE: curious

[Jens Bladt]

So, let's see the trailor park as well :-)
Regards

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Emne: Re: curious


Thanks for looking. Interesting feedback on this one. Very different
from what was said when I first showed these (in color) some years ago.
Paul
On Mar 3, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> My feeling exactly re: being staged or set up.
>
> Shel
>
>
>> [Original Message]
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>>  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5667450&size=md
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>> It  looks too deliberate to me -- carefully laid out and posed. From
>> the
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>> out of
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Re: curious

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Cotty. Eventually I blunder my way to something decent. :-).
On Mar 3, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Cotty wrote:

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> *that's* the shot. Love it.
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Re: curious

[Cotty]

On 4/3/07, Lists, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I saw it and quite liked it, nice tonality.

Holy shit, the List is talking.

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Re: curious

[Lists]

I saw it and quite liked it, nice tonality.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> I'm somewhat surprised that there was no response to my post of a 
> picture of a woman in what coucl be called an aniti-social environment. 
> It's not unlike an Arbus pic, although not as well executed perhaps.  
> Is the total silence due to the content or the execution? Or perhaps it 
> never made it to the list. No big deal, just curious.
> Paul
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5667450&size=md
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Re: curious

[Cotty]

On 3/3/07, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Thanks Cotty. I appreciate the feedback. The original crop was closer 
>to what you describe, and it was a horizontal. It also reveals the lawn 
>chair to be far from pristine. We had all we could do to keep it from 
>collapsing. You can see it here:
>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5670710&size=lg

Yeah, I seem to remember these now. Much prefer the one above - but
gimme her foot and gimme mono lad!

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Re: curious

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*that's* the shot. Love it.

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Re: curious

[Doug Franklin]

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> That's exactly where we bought them -- Salvation Army. Right down the 
> street from the TP.

You've got better Salvation Army stores than we do, too. :-)

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Re: curious

[Paul Stenquist]

Yeah, I believe it. I think if I took a ride up into Michigan Militia 
territory, I can find something nastier. But I didn't want to make this 
too much work:-).
Paul
On Mar 3, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:

> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> It was taken in Pontiac, Michigan. It was the only really decrepit
>> trailer park we were able to find. This particular trailer was
>> abandoned.
>
> Holy cow, Paul!  You folks have some really well preserved trailer 
> parks
> up there.  Down here, what's shown in those photos would be a really
> high class one.
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Re: curious

[Paul Stenquist]

That's exactly where we bought them -- Salvation Army. Right down the 
street from the TP.
Paul
On Mar 3, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:

> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>> I personally have no misgivings in regard to staging a photograph,
>> although I don't want them to look posed.
>
> If you do another trailer park series, get the wardrobe and props from
> the local Salvation Army or Goodwill store or something so they'll look
> "lived in". :-)
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Re: curious

[Doug Franklin]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

> I personally have no misgivings in regard to staging a photograph, 
> although I don't want them to look posed.

If you do another trailer park series, get the wardrobe and props from
the local Salvation Army or Goodwill store or something so they'll look
"lived in". :-)

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Re: curious

[Doug Franklin]

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> It was taken in Pontiac, Michigan. It was the only really decrepit 
> trailer park we were able to find. This particular trailer was 
> abandoned.

Holy cow, Paul!  You folks have some really well preserved trailer parks
up there.  Down here, what's shown in those photos would be a really
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Re: curious

[Kenneth Waller]

It was posted twice FWI.
I looked @ it & believe you had posted it a few years ago.

Kenneth Waller

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Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: curious


> In a message dated 3/2/2007 8:17:24 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> --- Paul Stenquist  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm somewhat  surprised that there was no response to my post of a
>>> picture of a  woman in what coucl be called an aniti-social
>>>  environment.
>>> It's not unlike an Arbus pic, although not as well  executed perhaps.
>>>
>>> Is the total silence due to the  content or the execution? Or perhaps
>>> it
>>> never made it to  the list. No big deal, just curious.
>>> Paul
>>>  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5667450&size=md
>
> ===
> It  looks too deliberate to me -- carefully laid out and posed. From the
> towel, to  the beer cans, to the cigarette pack carefully sticking out of 
> her
> pocket. Was  it for an ad for something? Very retro, though.
>
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Re: curious

[Paul Stenquist]

It was taken in Pontiac, Michigan. It was the only really decrepit 
trailer park we were able to find. This particular trailer was 
abandoned.
Paul
On Mar 3, 2007, at 10:19 AM, Walter Hamler wrote:

> Paul, what part of LA (lower alabama) was that picture taken?
> :-)
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Re: curious

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks for the feedback, Shel.
I posted a small series. It's here:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=701586

I'm surprised that the disc never arrived. I sent it over a week ago. 
If it doesn't come in the next few days, I'll mail another one. I was 
wondering why you didn't report your findings.
Paul
On Mar 3, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> I recall some of the earlier pics, some of which I liked, and while I
> recognize that they, too, were set-ups, this one comes across as more
> artificial-looking than what I remember the earlier pics to be.
>
> Of course, over time, our perspectives change, changing the way we view
> photos and see/experience the things around us.  Based on what I 
> recall of
> the earlier series, this is the least successful photo of the group.
>
> That said, even if someone gave you a million dollars for this pic, it
> would only reflect their feelings and judgement, not establish this 
> image
> as anything better than what it is, which would be different to 
> different
> observers.  That someone else gets huge sums of money for a type of 
> photo
> neither makes it better nor worse that what someone else may be doing 
> ...
> sometimes it's just a matter of finding a schmuck with a lotta money.
>
> There have been a few comments in this thread about seeing the entire
> series.  Maybe you could put up a small gallery and see how that 
> affects
> the way people think about and how they see this pic.
>
> BTW, the disc you sent hasn't arrived.
>
> Shel
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Paul Stenquist
>
>> Thanks for looking. Interesting feedback on this one. Very different
>> from what was said when I first showed these (in color) some years 
>> ago.
>
>
>> On Mar 3, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>>
>>> My feeling exactly re: being staged or set up.
>>>
>>> Shel
>>>
>>>
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>>>
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5667450&size=md

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 It  looks too deliberate to me -- carefully laid out and posed. From
 the
 towel, to  the beer cans, to the cigarette pack carefully sticking
 out of
>>> her
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curious

[Walter Hamler]

Paul, what part of LA (lower alabama) was that picture taken?
:-)

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Re: curious

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Paul,

I recall some of the earlier pics, some of which I liked, and while I
recognize that they, too, were set-ups, this one comes across as more
artificial-looking than what I remember the earlier pics to be.

Of course, over time, our perspectives change, changing the way we view
photos and see/experience the things around us.  Based on what I recall of
the earlier series, this is the least successful photo of the group.

That said, even if someone gave you a million dollars for this pic, it
would only reflect their feelings and judgement, not establish this image
as anything better than what it is, which would be different to different
observers.  That someone else gets huge sums of money for a type of photo
neither makes it better nor worse that what someone else may be doing ...
sometimes it's just a matter of finding a schmuck with a lotta money.

There have been a few comments in this thread about seeing the entire
series.  Maybe you could put up a small gallery and see how that affects
the way people think about and how they see this pic.

BTW, the disc you sent hasn't arrived.

Shel


> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist 

> Thanks for looking. Interesting feedback on this one. Very different 
> from what was said when I first showed these (in color) some years ago.


> On Mar 3, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> > My feeling exactly re: being staged or set up.
> >
> > Shel
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >>  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5667450&size=md
> >>
> >> ===
> >> It  looks too deliberate to me -- carefully laid out and posed. From 
> >> the
> >> towel, to  the beer cans, to the cigarette pack carefully sticking 
> >> out of
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Re: curious

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Thanks Jack. Appreciate the feedback.
Paul
On Mar 3, 2007, at 8:47 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

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> I did not see this and find it holds my attention. I'm wondering if
> she's unsure if she can get up when she needs to release some beer.
> Interesting 'study'..really.
>
> Jack
> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Hmmm, don't know why that might happen. It loads for me from your
>> response. No biggy.
>> Paul
>> On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:05 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Paul, I just tried this link and got an error message.
>>> It doesn't load on its own.(?)
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm somewhat surprised that there was no response to my post of a
>>>> picture of a woman in what coucl be called an aniti-social
>>>> environment.
>>>> It's not unlike an Arbus pic, although not as well executed
>> perhaps.
>>>>
>>>> Is the total silence due to the content or the execution? Or
>> perhaps
>>>> it
>>>> never made it to the list. No big deal, just curious.
>>>> Paul
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Re: curious

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Thanks. Yes, I'll post a small gallery in another message.
Paul
On Mar 3, 2007, at 8:19 AM, Scott Loveless wrote:

> On 3/3/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It was posed. This lady and I did a whole series of posed shots in a
>> trailer park.
>>
>> I personally have no misgivings in regard to staging a photograph,
>> although I don't want them to look posed.
>
> That's fine by me.  Show us the rest of them?
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Re: curious

[Jack Davis]

It loads for me too this AM.(??) I had quite a PM yesterday thrashing
around getting E5 downloaded to Vista. Finally staggered away from the
keyboard after a couple hours.
The link did not acknowledge the courser, so I pecked it in and
doubtless fumbled the address.
I did not see this and find it holds my attention. I'm wondering if
she's unsure if she can get up when she needs to release some beer.
Interesting 'study'..really.

Jack 
--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hmmm, don't know why that might happen. It loads for me from your  
> response. No biggy.
> Paul
> On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:05 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> > Paul, I just tried this link and got an error message.
> > It doesn't load on its own.(?)
> >
> > Jack
> > --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm somewhat surprised that there was no response to my post of a
> >> picture of a woman in what coucl be called an aniti-social
> >> environment.
> >> It's not unlike an Arbus pic, although not as well executed
> perhaps.
> >>
> >> Is the total silence due to the content or the execution? Or
> perhaps
> >> it
> >> never made it to the list. No big deal, just curious.
> >> Paul
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