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From: Doug Franklin On 2011-06-10 14:21, frank theriault wrote: I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. I've gotta say that I'm flabbergasted by some of the replies to this thread. The number one rule to surviving a fight is to avoid the damned thing in the first place. I defy /anyone/, Bruce Lee included, to use their man portable weaponry to hold off a flash mob of maybe several hundred people. One well armed and psychologically prepared defender against a couple of handful of thugs, you've got a chance. A few hundred of them, you're fing vegemite, mate in the words of one of my Aussie friends. If that sort thing is in the offing, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! What the Hell are you people, combat photogs with death wishes? If the problem is nearly as bad as portrayed by some of those articles, I'm bloody well staying at home, or moving to a different city. I'm probably trying to contract having Jersey Barriers installed at the ground-floor entry points. Even if it's not 24/7, my luck is that I'd show up just in time to be a victim if I lived near that s***. It doesn't take a huge amount of tactical acuity to realize that you're f***ing hosed in a one-versus-a-hundred fight, the TV shows and movies notwithstanding. You're only chance is that you've lucked into a kill or maim one and the rest chicken out scenario, or you can get them fighting each other while you take a powder somewhere else. I don't wander into certain parts of Atlanta for /exactly/ the same reasons I wouldn't wander into certain parts of Fallujah. If you see a flash mob coming, definitely go somewhere else. I would. But if it truly *IS* a flash mob, you might not see it coming in time to relocate before the mob begins to coalesce. I ain't planning on holding off a flash mob bare handed; I'm only planning on doing whatever I have to do to carve a path to the exit. And if I can't get away, I damn sure intend to take some of 'em with me. The more likely threat is muggers and thieves deciding they have more use for your camera than you do. Same rules apply. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3698 - Release Date: 06/12/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: mike wilson On 11/06/2011 03:57, Doug Franklin wranted: On 2011-06-10 14:21, frank theriault wrote: I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. I've gotta say that I'm flabbergasted by some of the replies to this thread. The number one rule to surviving a fight is to avoid the damned thing in the first place. I defy /anyone/, Bruce Lee included, to use their man portable weaponry to hold off a flash mob of maybe several hundred people. One well armed and psychologically prepared defender against a couple of handful of thugs, you've got a chance. A few hundred of them, you're fing vegemite, mate in the words of one of my Aussie friends. If that sort thing is in the offing, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! What the Hell are you people, combat photogs with death wishes? If the problem is nearly as bad as portrayed by some of those articles, I'm bloody well staying at home, or moving to a different city. I'm probably trying to contract having Jersey Barriers installed at the ground-floor entry points. Even if it's not 24/7, my luck is that I'd show up just in time to be a victim if I lived near that s***. It doesn't take a huge amount of tactical acuity to realize that you're f***ing hosed in a one-versus-a-hundred fight, the TV shows and movies notwithstanding. You're only chance is that you've lucked into a kill or maim one and the rest chicken out scenario, or you can get them fighting each other while you take a powder somewhere else. I don't wander into certain parts of Atlanta for /exactly/ the same reasons I wouldn't wander into certain parts of Fallujah. Jersey Barriers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_barrier Hesco barriers would probably work better. They're stackable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesco_bastion - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3698 - Release Date: 06/12/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/06/2011 03:57, Doug Franklin wranted: On 2011-06-10 14:21, frank theriault wrote: I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. I've gotta say that I'm flabbergasted by some of the replies to this thread. The number one rule to surviving a fight is to avoid the damned thing in the first place. I defy /anyone/, Bruce Lee included, to use their man portable weaponry to hold off a flash mob of maybe several hundred people. One well armed and psychologically prepared defender against a couple of handful of thugs, you've got a chance. A few hundred of them, you're fing vegemite, mate in the words of one of my Aussie friends. If that sort thing is in the offing, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! What the Hell are you people, combat photogs with death wishes? If the problem is nearly as bad as portrayed by some of those articles, I'm bloody well staying at home, or moving to a different city. I'm probably trying to contract having Jersey Barriers installed at the ground-floor entry points. Even if it's not 24/7, my luck is that I'd show up just in time to be a victim if I lived near that s***. It doesn't take a huge amount of tactical acuity to realize that you're f***ing hosed in a one-versus-a-hundred fight, the TV shows and movies notwithstanding. You're only chance is that you've lucked into a kill or maim one and the rest chicken out scenario, or you can get them fighting each other while you take a powder somewhere else. I don't wander into certain parts of Atlanta for /exactly/ the same reasons I wouldn't wander into certain parts of Fallujah. Jersey Barriers? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-11 2:20, mike wilson wrote: Jersey Barriers? Sorry, that's what we call those big concrete blocks used to build temporary walls along the highway. http://www.americanconcrete.com/commercial/barriers/jersey-barriers.htm -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 12:08 AM Subject: Re: safety and photography? Awareness, keeping the equipment all hand and difficult to grab. Always keep your eyes on what's going on around you. Yep, that's about the best one can do! Good advice, Godfrey! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 10, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Bob W wrote: Having said that, I wouldn't carry a gun or knife either, unless I really knew how to use them and was prepared to do so. It makes far more sense to learn to defend yourself with whatever is to hand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/10/2011 07:57, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: No one ever tried to bully me in High School again. I was now one of the badasses. ]'-) I'd call you a badhead in a manner of speaking, not a badass... Or better yet - toughskull. There has to be a smiley put in here, but I am not sure I know enough of ASCII-speak to produce one. And Bob does not allow me to use them anyway. So, suffices it to say - a friendly wink/smile smiley is attached. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bad head has an entirely different connotation! Dan On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/10/2011 07:57, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: No one ever tried to bully me in High School again. I was now one of the badasses. ]'-) I'd call you a badhead in a manner of speaking, not a badass... Or better yet - toughskull. There has to be a smiley put in here, but I am not sure I know enough of ASCII-speak to produce one. And Bob does not allow me to use them anyway. So, suffices it to say - a friendly wink/smile smiley is attached. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 9, 2011, at 23:57, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: A bully tried to take me on when I was a freshman in High School. I figured I was going to get beaten to a pulp as I was no fighter, but I wouldn't let him just victimize me. So we went out to the train station to duke it out. I took off my jacket and glasses. He came at me like a windmill and struck my head with his wrist. He didn't count on my thick skull and broke his wrist on it. I remember pulling on my jacket, suggesting he have it looked at over in the campus infirmary, and didn't miss my train home. Didn't even have a bruise. He was in a cast from elbow to hand for six weeks. No one ever tried to bully me in High School again. I was now one of the badasses. ]'-) Sweet. If this was on Facebook I'd click the like button. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-09 22:57 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: He came at me like a windmill and struck my head with his wrist. He didn't count on my thick skull and broke his wrist on it. i was often harassed by bullies, but usually mouthed off enough that things achieved a sort of balance; the only time i was goaded to the point of violence was in 8th grade; first swing i nailed the kid in the temple with my fist and that ended the fight -- he never bothered me again; years later i realized why my hand had been so sore -- it healed fine, but with a pronounced bend where i had broken my index metacarpal -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The thing I got from the article was another person who lives in Chicago's view of what's going on and that it is not just Chicago where there's a problem. From: Paul Stenquist It's a simplistic explanation. Chicago's gang problems are more a result of under-enforcement and looking the other way than of class warfare. The problem existed long before the rash of foreclosures. When I taught in Chicago high schools 30 years ago, it was already fermenting. But no one wanted to get tough with the gangs, they were coddled. Disenfranchised youth was a term kicked around way back then. No one drew a line in the sand and said, you can't behave that way. Now they're paying. We're all paying. On Jun 9, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Ken Waller wrote: As Paul Harvey was want to say now here's the rest of the story on recent wilding events Thanks for posting John. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: safety and photography? From: Christine Aguila Chicago has been experiencing what is being called *flash mob* attacks in the downtown area and at one of the beaches that I've chosen for the beach project. You can read about it in the Chicago Sun Times article here if you want http://tiny.cc/mnkxybut in a nutshell, large groups of teenagers attack victims and steal iPods and cell phones. This is fairly new to Chicago, so the mayor and police have been vocal in reassuring Chicagoans that it's being dealt with. I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. Cheers, Christine Ran across this article with another Chicago perspective on what's going on. According to the author there's a lot more than made the news. Additionally, read down far enough into the article, and you'll find it's not just a Chicago problem. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-tavakoli/chicago-gang-violence-_b_873200.html We'll see if adding the angle brackets keeps the URL intact through the line wrap ... if not here's a tinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/4x9qsrw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Joseph McAllister On Jun 8, 2011, at 15:34 , John Sessoms wrote: And, I have additional fall-back positions just in case. Yeah, you do? Carrying a gun! Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com Nope. Hopefully my gun toting days are over for good. As I've said before, since *THEY* won't let me shoot who I think should be shot, guns are a waste of money. I hope this country will not deteriorate to the point where I have to reconsider. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi On 6/9/2011 21:50, Bob W wrote: I don't know if you've ever had to deal with bullies, but if you went to a boarding school, as I did, you'd observe quite quickly that the population was divided into bullies, victims and people who stood up for themselves. As long as there were people willing to be victims, there were bullies. But the bullies only ever tried it once on those of us who stood up for ourselves; even if we took a beating they found it wasn't worth their own pain to try again. A bully tried to take me on when I was a freshman in High School. I figured I was going to get beaten to a pulp as I was no fighter, but I wouldn't let him just victimize me. So we went out to the train station to duke it out. I took off my jacket and glasses. He came at me like a windmill and struck my head with his wrist. He didn't count on my thick skull and broke his wrist on it. I remember pulling on my jacket, suggesting he have it looked at over in the campus infirmary, and didn't miss my train home. Didn't even have a bruise. He was in a cast from elbow to hand for six weeks. No one ever tried to bully me in High School again. I was now one of the badasses. ]'-) I was bullied up until Junior High School when someone tried to steal my desert in the lunch room and I stabbed him with a fork. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/6/10 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: I was bullied up until Junior High School when someone tried to steal my desert in the lunch room and I stabbed him with a fork. I was bullied all the way up through 9th grade until I (not willingly, I was only trying to get him to back off) I pushed one bully into a glass showcase and he found himself sitting in a nasty pile of shards. After that they left me alone and one even tried to make friends... interesting how fast they switch sides... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 09/06/2011 20:50, Bob W wrote: Having said that, I wouldn't carry a gun or knife either, unless I really knew how to use them and was prepared to do so. It makes far more sense to learn to defend yourself with whatever is to hand. Literally. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7_dzu4TQDs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-10 14:21, frank theriault wrote: I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. I've gotta say that I'm flabbergasted by some of the replies to this thread. The number one rule to surviving a fight is to avoid the damned thing in the first place. I defy /anyone/, Bruce Lee included, to use their man portable weaponry to hold off a flash mob of maybe several hundred people. One well armed and psychologically prepared defender against a couple of handful of thugs, you've got a chance. A few hundred of them, you're fing vegemite, mate in the words of one of my Aussie friends. If that sort thing is in the offing, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! What the Hell are you people, combat photogs with death wishes? If the problem is nearly as bad as portrayed by some of those articles, I'm bloody well staying at home, or moving to a different city. I'm probably trying to contract having Jersey Barriers installed at the ground-floor entry points. Even if it's not 24/7, my luck is that I'd show up just in time to be a victim if I lived near that s***. It doesn't take a huge amount of tactical acuity to realize that you're f***ing hosed in a one-versus-a-hundred fight, the TV shows and movies notwithstanding. You're only chance is that you've lucked into a kill or maim one and the rest chicken out scenario, or you can get them fighting each other while you take a powder somewhere else. I don't wander into certain parts of Atlanta for /exactly/ the same reasons I wouldn't wander into certain parts of Fallujah. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-10 16:34, John Sessoms wrote: I was bullied up until Junior High School when someone tried to steal my desert in the lunch room and I stabbed him with a fork. I was bullied until I took the bully's knife away from him in a fight. He pissed and shat himself when he realized what a fool he'd been. Lucky for him, I wasn't the pissed-off-old-guy then that I am now. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote: I've gotta say that I'm flabbergasted by some of the replies to this thread. The number one rule to surviving a fight is to avoid the damned thing in the first place. That's all well and good in the real world, but this is the Internet. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-10 16:45, Ecke PDML wrote: interesting how fast they switch sides... In my experience, bullies are insecure little (excuse my language) pussies. They'll suck any dick they think can either prevent getting a beating or promote someone other than themselves getting a beating. They break easier than horses. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I remember my dad making a bank deposit in the '50's and we talked about his taking along a 38. I was rather surprised on my first trip to Ethiopia going to the bank in Axum to see that people had left their AK47s on the porch before going in. They were guarded by an old man with a stick. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/6/9 Bob W p...@web-options.com: I was rather surprised on my first trip to Ethiopia going to the bank in Axum to see that people had left their AK47s on the porch before going in. They were guarded by an old man with a stick. Markworthy IMO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/6/9 Bob W p...@web-options.com: I was rather surprised on my first trip to Ethiopia going to the bank in Axum to see that people had left their AK47s on the porch before going in. They were guarded by an old man with a stick. If you have a gun you have to be prepared to use it. You don't have a memory; your memory has you. I doubt even all my possessions combined are worth dealing with that. Whenever you kill someone, two people die IMO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I was rather surprised on my first trip to Ethiopia going to the bank in Axum to see that people had left their AK47s on the porch before going in. They were guarded by an old man with a stick. B Some of your life experiences may make a good book, Bob. And you know - you do have a way with words... -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-09 3:19, Bob W wrote: I remember my dad making a bank deposit in the '50's and we talked about his taking along a 38. I was rather surprised on my first trip to Ethiopia going to the bank in Axum to see that people had left their AK47s on the porch before going in. They were guarded by an old man with a stick. Photo or it didn't happen. :-) That /is/ one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time, though. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you have a gun you have to be prepared to use it. You don't have a memory; your memory has you. I doubt even all my possessions combined are worth dealing with that. Whenever you kill someone, two people die IMO the possessions may not be worth killing someone for, but your dignity and right not to be pushed around may well be. I don't know if you've ever had to deal with bullies, but if you went to a boarding school, as I did, you'd observe quite quickly that the population was divided into bullies, victims and people who stood up for themselves. As long as there were people willing to be victims, there were bullies. But the bullies only ever tried it once on those of us who stood up for ourselves; even if we took a beating they found it wasn't worth their own pain to try again. Having said that, I wouldn't carry a gun or knife either, unless I really knew how to use them and was prepared to do so. It makes far more sense to learn to defend yourself with whatever is to hand. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Having said that, I wouldn't carry a gun or knife either, unless I really knew how to use them and was prepared to do so. It makes far more sense to learn to defend yourself with whatever is to hand. Like the guy with the stick. He had a stack of assault rifles to fall back on. :) -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's a simplistic explanation. Chicago's gang problems are more a result of under-enforcement and looking the other way than of class warfare. The problem existed long before the rash of foreclosures. When I taught in Chicago high schools 30 years ago, it was already fermenting. But no one wanted to get tough with the gangs, they were coddled. Disenfranchised youth was a term kicked around way back then. No one drew a line in the sand and said, you can't behave that way. Now they're paying. We're all paying. On Jun 9, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Ken Waller wrote: As Paul Harvey was want to say now here's the rest of the story on recent wilding events Thanks for posting John. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: safety and photography? From: Christine Aguila Chicago has been experiencing what is being called *flash mob* attacks in the downtown area and at one of the beaches that I've chosen for the beach project. You can read about it in the Chicago Sun Times article here if you want http://tiny.cc/mnkxybut in a nutshell, large groups of teenagers attack victims and steal iPods and cell phones. This is fairly new to Chicago, so the mayor and police have been vocal in reassuring Chicagoans that it's being dealt with. I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. Cheers, Christine Ran across this article with another Chicago perspective on what's going on. According to the author there's a lot more than made the news. Additionally, read down far enough into the article, and you'll find it's not just a Chicago problem. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-tavakoli/chicago-gang-violence-_b_873200.html We'll see if adding the angle brackets keeps the URL intact through the line wrap ... if not here's a tinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/4x9qsrw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:54 , Cotty wrote: On 8/6/11, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: My philosophy for protection is to be as large as possible Anyone approaching Mike would do well to consider the probable option of having his/her legs pulled out of his/her mouth from the inside, tied into one of those poodle-balloon shapes and tossed into a dumpster - and that's just for starters! What a bloody visceral image to ponder. Add a grinning clown for visual relief! Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com THE SENILITY PRAYER : Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, The good fortune to run into the ones I do, and The eyesight to tell the difference. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 8, 2011, at 15:34 , John Sessoms wrote: And, I have additional fall-back positions just in case. Yeah, you do… Carrying a gun! Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/9/2011 21:50, Bob W wrote: I don't know if you've ever had to deal with bullies, but if you went to a boarding school, as I did, you'd observe quite quickly that the population was divided into bullies, victims and people who stood up for themselves. As long as there were people willing to be victims, there were bullies. But the bullies only ever tried it once on those of us who stood up for ourselves; even if we took a beating they found it wasn't worth their own pain to try again. Indeed. The more interesting thing is that it seems (emphasis on 'seems') to me that the same thing applies just about everywhere, not just a boarding school. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/9/2011 21:50, Bob W wrote: I don't know if you've ever had to deal with bullies, but if you went to a boarding school, as I did, you'd observe quite quickly that the population was divided into bullies, victims and people who stood up for themselves. As long as there were people willing to be victims, there were bullies. But the bullies only ever tried it once on those of us who stood up for ourselves; even if we took a beating they found it wasn't worth their own pain to try again. A bully tried to take me on when I was a freshman in High School. I figured I was going to get beaten to a pulp as I was no fighter, but I wouldn't let him just victimize me. So we went out to the train station to duke it out. I took off my jacket and glasses. He came at me like a windmill and struck my head with his wrist. He didn't count on my thick skull and broke his wrist on it. I remember pulling on my jacket, suggesting he have it looked at over in the campus infirmary, and didn't miss my train home. Didn't even have a bruise. He was in a cast from elbow to hand for six weeks. No one ever tried to bully me in High School again. I was now one of the badasses. ]'-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 08/06/2011 07:35, William Robb wrote: On 07/06/2011 9:24 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. I hang out with Tom C. Never been bothered yet, so I figure it's a good strategy. Seriously though, don't you people get to carry handguns just for situations like that? Naughty William. I'd tell you to go away and spank yourself but I know you'd enjoy it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:33 PM, mike wilson wrote: The flash mobs in the UK have been (afaik) exclusively benign to individuals. Mainly organised for either entertainment or political protest, they are more an opportunity for photography than a threat to photographers. That's what I thought all flash mobs were about. Didn't realise they were becoming so sinister. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 8, 2011, at 3:27 AM, David Mann wrote: On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:33 PM, mike wilson wrote: The flash mobs in the UK have been (afaik) exclusively benign to individuals. Mainly organised for either entertainment or political protest, they are more an opportunity for photography than a threat to photographers. That's what I thought all flash mobs were about. Didn't realise they were becoming so sinister. They're generally entertainment here in the states as well. Apparently, the Chicago press has appropriated the term for these teenage gangs. While Chicago is one of my favorite places in the world, they also have one of the worst teenage gang crime problems, far worse than Detroit, for example. Paul Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. I shoot a Pentax, who's gonna bother me.:-) Dave Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wednesday, June 8, 2011, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. I shoot a Pentax, who's gonna bother me.:-) All depends how nice a gun you use... -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had the same problem back then when me and my friend had a project to take pictures of homeless people. Some of them were really friendly and some of them were just rude. But there was one guy who was rude and agressive and he decided to attacked me... Luckily I had my monopod with me, a Giottos MM9560. For me that's the best safety device. Also works as image stabilisation :) .t - Original Message - I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. You need W. Robb and Cotty to escort you. Take along Sessoms as a backup, he can carry the guns. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-08 04:56 , Paul Stenquist wrote: They're generally entertainment here in the states as well. Apparently, the Chicago press has appropriated the term for these teenage gangs. it seems Philadelphia has also been giving flash mobs a bad name http://mashable.com/2010/03/28/violent-flash-mobs-philly/ it's kind of like hacking, another term with two loosely related meanings, one positive, one negative -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/8/2011 08:35, William Robb wrote: I hang out with Tom C. Never been bothered yet, so I figure it's a good strategy. Seriously though, don't you people get to carry handguns just for situations like that? I cannot help but notice to non-serious remarks from you, sir William. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-07 21:24 , Christine Aguila wrote: I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. i generally keep my awareness high, put my camera in a small innocuous bag when not in use, and move quickly and confidently in rougher areas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/6/11, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: My philosophy for protection is to be as large as possible Anyone approaching Mike would do well to consider the probable option of having his/her legs pulled out of his/her mouth from the inside, tied into one of those poodle-balloon shapes and tossed into a dumpster - and that's just for starters! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 8/6/11, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: My philosophy for protection is to be as large as possible Anyone approaching Mike would do well to consider the probable option of having his/her legs pulled out of his/her mouth from the inside, tied into one of those poodle-balloon shapes and tossed into a dumpster - and that's just for starters! So you're saying Mike is a balloon artist as well as a photographer, eh? ]'-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi My philosophy for protection is to be as large as possible Anyone approaching Mike would do well to consider the probable option of having his/her legs pulled out of his/her mouth from the inside, tied into one of those poodle-balloon shapes and tossed into a dumpster - and that's just for starters! So you're saying Mike is a balloon artist as well as a photographer, eh? ]'-) he's just pulling your leg B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That Philly story is over a year old. The city did a good job of dealing with the problem, and I haven't heard or read about more. Rick (who lives and works =in= Philly) http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 6/8/11, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: it seems Philadelphia has also been giving flash mobs a bad name http://mashable.com/2010/03/28/violent-flash-mobs-philly/ it's kind of like hacking, another term with two loosely related meanings, one positive, one negative -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Here's a good Chicago columnist's comments on the story. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: That Philly story is over a year old. The city did a good job of dealing with the problem, and I haven't heard or read about more. Rick (who lives and works =in= Philly) http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 6/8/11, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: it seems Philadelphia has also been giving flash mobs a bad name http://mashable.com/2010/03/28/violent-flash-mobs-philly/ it's kind of like hacking, another term with two loosely related meanings, one positive, one negative -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: William Robb On 07/06/2011 9:24 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. I hang out with Tom C. Never been bothered yet, so I figure it's a good strategy. Seriously though, don't you people get to carry handguns just for situations like that? State laws differ. With 50 states, there's probably 500 different laws that govern when and where you can carry a gun. In North Carolina you can get concealed carry permits, but you still can't carry a gun into a bank, any place that serves alcohol or onto city/county/state property, particularly public parks. While the right of self defense is enshrined in US law, there are still too many places where if you shoot someone in self defense you're going to be in lot of trouble. Not for shooting them, but for having a gun in that place. I wouldn't rely on a gun for self-defense. I understand the argument I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6 ... there are just too many situations where you might not have it. Having a gun does you no good if you can't have it with you whenever you need it. You need a strategy that relies on something you can carry with you everywhere you go; something you don't even have to conceal. I have a Gitzo G1564 heavy aluminum monopod with a Bogen RC2 Compact Rapid Connect Adapter mounted. The release lever locks open in an extended position when the camera is removed. Carbon fiber doesn't have the necessary heft authority if you need to use your monopod for alternative purposes. Aluminum won't splinter on impact either, so if you *do* have to use it that way, you'll still be able to use it for steadying the camera later. I might replace the foot with a G1220.129B Stainless Steel Spike. And, I have additional fall-back positions just in case. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1511/3687 - Release Date: 06/07/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms You need a strategy that relies on something you can carry with you everywhere you go; something you don't even have to conceal. This is what I use: http://www.slidelock.co.uk/images/garrotte3.gif [...] And, I have additional fall-back positions just in case. I've got some spare crinolines if you want to borrow one. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I remember my dad making a bank deposit in the '50's and we talked about his taking along a 38. He was a small town boy from central Illinois and was concerned about the mean streets of Chicago. In those days, most men had carried guns in the service (WWII). And it was legal to take your handgun anywhere so long as you didn't conceal it. (Concealed carrying required a special permit or a badge from law enforcement.) I noticed it was pretty unusual. I regret how many guns are in the wrong hands today. I wouldn't mess with any old white guys carrying. I suspect a lot of them are 'trained killers' thanks to military service. And good shots as well! Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:34 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: William Robb On 07/06/2011 9:24 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. I hang out with Tom C. Never been bothered yet, so I figure it's a good strategy. Seriously though, don't you people get to carry handguns just for situations like that? State laws differ. With 50 states, there's probably 500 different laws that govern when and where you can carry a gun. In North Carolina you can get concealed carry permits, but you still can't carry a gun into a bank, any place that serves alcohol or onto city/county/state property, particularly public parks. While the right of self defense is enshrined in US law, there are still too many places where if you shoot someone in self defense you're going to be in lot of trouble. Not for shooting them, but for having a gun in that place. I wouldn't rely on a gun for self-defense. I understand the argument I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6 ... there are just too many situations where you might not have it. Having a gun does you no good if you can't have it with you whenever you need it. You need a strategy that relies on something you can carry with you everywhere you go; something you don't even have to conceal. I have a Gitzo G1564 heavy aluminum monopod with a Bogen RC2 Compact Rapid Connect Adapter mounted. The release lever locks open in an extended position when the camera is removed. Carbon fiber doesn't have the necessary heft authority if you need to use your monopod for alternative purposes. Aluminum won't splinter on impact either, so if you *do* have to use it that way, you'll still be able to use it for steadying the camera later. I might replace the foot with a G1220.129B Stainless Steel Spike. And, I have additional fall-back positions just in case. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1511/3687 - Release Date: 06/07/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Stan Halpin - Original Message - I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. You need W. Robb and Cotty to escort you. Take along Sessoms as a backup, he can carry the guns. stan Don't own a gun. If *THEY* won't let me shoot who I think ought to be shot, it's a waste of money. I prefer something I can carry with me anywhere I go. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1511/3687 - Release Date: 06/07/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This quote from Mashable caught my eye, ... all organized by hundreds of high schoolers and middle schoolers taking to MySpace, Twitter and other sites to organize the meetups. What considerate villians, laying a trail of evidence to help investigators find and prosecute them. Don't the schools teach the basic commonsense of covering your arse? regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) On 9 June 2011 03:17, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2011-06-08 04:56 , Paul Stenquist wrote: They're generally entertainment here in the states as well. Apparently, the Chicago press has appropriated the term for these teenage gangs. it seems Philadelphia has also been giving flash mobs a bad name http://mashable.com/2010/03/28/violent-flash-mobs-philly/ it's kind of like hacking, another term with two loosely related meanings, one positive, one negative -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 08/06/2011 11:31 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: I hang out with Tom C. Never been bothered yet, so I figure it's a good strategy. Seriously though, don't you people get to carry handguns just for situations like that? I cannot help but notice to non-serious remarks from you, sir William. Boris I find if I don't take the world seriously I am more able to be amused by the absurdity in what goes on around me. And really, I've never been bothered by anyone when hanging out with Tom C. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 07/06/2011 9:24 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. I hang out with Tom C. Never been bothered yet, so I figure it's a good strategy. Seriously though, don't you people get to carry handguns just for situations like that? -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Soon...Concealed Carry is pending in the Legislature right now. -p On 6/8/2011 12:35 AM, William Robb wrote: On 07/06/2011 9:24 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working in urban environments. I hang out with Tom C. Never been bothered yet, so I figure it's a good strategy. Seriously though, don't you people get to carry handguns just for situations like that? -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
