Re: PESO

2004-12-02 Thread Cotty
On 1/12/04, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/paw/rolleireindeer.jpg

OK, it's a horrible waste of resources, and is a shamelessly bad 
snapshot.
However, that is a 110 pound Rottweiler in the picture

Your dog is plotting its revenge even as we write




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Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing

2004-12-02 Thread Cotty
On 1/12/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

They (mock mag covers) were getting a bit tiresome for a bit (but not
the one of Mark LOL just thinking of that one!).  And, of course,
Cormorant Times is a classic that will likely never be eclipsed.  Quit
while yer ahead, says I.

My thoughts exactly.




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Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....

2004-12-02 Thread Cotty
On 1/12/04, Juey Chong Ong, discombobulated, unleashed:

Would it work if you cover the windows with sheets of warming filters?

Yes that is done in movie-making but carrying those size gels is
expensive and I'm only shooting news ;-)




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Re: PESO: Sunset in Santa Monica

2004-12-02 Thread Cotty
On 1/12/04, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

 From the park above the palisades just off Ocean and Broadway.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2926176size=lg

I can hear the Beach Boys now :-)

Nice catch.



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Re: survey

2004-12-02 Thread Cotty
On 1/12/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

keep Cotty from guzzling all the beer.

I don't think s




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Re: Some really neat northern lights photos

2004-12-02 Thread Bob W
Hi,

 My understanding is that Iceland is about the most inaptly named
 country in the world.
 Greenland is perhaps a bit less aptly named

they are both evidence of climate change since they were named.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



RE: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

2004-12-02 Thread Jens Bladt
Thanks, Juey.
I guess that's what I should do!

Jens Bladt
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http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Juey Chong Ong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 2. december 2004 05:41
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)


I used to have an Epson Stylus Photo EX, which was the wide-carriage 
version of the Stylus Photo. I never had any problems pulling an ink 
cartridge out of it and putting it back, especially since it used the 
dumb cartridges (the ones without a chip). I eventually sent it back 
to Epson Recycling and got a $5 coupon from Epson for my efforts.

--jc


On Dec 1, 2004, at 10:19 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:

 Epson Stylus Photo, that's all. No other names or numbers. It's so 
 old, it's
 not on the support list anymore. The newest driver is for Windows 98. 
 Even
 when it was new, some retailers didn't know about it. It was actually 
 the
 top model at one stage. I admit to not having used it much. When I got 
 it,
 photo realistic paper was app. 1,25 USD for every A4 sheet. One set of 
 ink
 cartrigdes was almost 100 USD. So, most of the time it was just 
 sitting on
 the desk and occasionally used for BW prints. A shame, really. Now 
 it's
 useless. It represents the worst 700 USD I ever spent. This money 
 would have
 been better spent on a one week holiday in Greece! Or a used MZ-S with 
 a
 battery grip! Or ...
 Maybe I will consider getting a Canon.





Re: Some really neat northern lights photos

2004-12-02 Thread dagt
 fra: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Hi,
 
  My understanding is that Iceland is about the most inaptly named
  country in the world.
  Greenland is perhaps a bit less aptly named
 
 they are both evidence of climate change since they were named.

I always thought that Greenland was an early example of false advertizing in 
the attempt to make people move there :-)

But seriously, at the right time of the year parts of Greenland can still be 
very green.  The vegetation has to make the most of the short season.

Most of the trees are gone both on Greenland and Iceland, but that was because 
the vikings used them without planting new ones.

DagT



RE: Epson Printer (Stylus Photo)

2004-12-02 Thread Jens Bladt
Can anyone please explain what clogging means?
Thanks

Jens Bladt
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Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 2. december 2004 00:42
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Epson Printer (Stylus Photo)


My Epson 2200 is an absolute joy. It uses seven inks, five colors plus 
black and light black. The cartridges can be replaced individually. 
And, as with the Canon, I can pop a cartridge out and reinsert it to 
try for another print. It's so quiet, I sometimes have to walk right up 
to it to make sure it's printing. Prior to this printer I had an Epson 
1200 Stylus Photo. Never had a problem with that printer either, 
although the 2200 is definitely superior in terms of the way it renders 
shadows and gradations of color. My next printer will be the Epson that 
replaces the 2200.
Paul
On Dec 1, 2004, at 6:31 PM, Cotty wrote:

 On 1/12/04, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

 I guess you'll just have to give in, and support Canon in
 their drive to take over the entire photography universe.

 It helps that they are giving people what they want. I have a Canon
 S9000. It takes 6 individual ink tanks (black plus five colours), and 
 if
 the low ink warning appears, I open the lid, the head slides out, I
 retrieve the specified tank, and if I think it could still do a couple 
 of
 prints yet, I slot it back in and carry on.

 I bought it used and at three years old the head was clogging a bit, 
 so I
 bought a brand new head for about 50 GBP (just under 100 USD) and 
 popped
 it into the head assembly - very quick and my printer has a new leas of
 life. It is very fast, very quiet and the results continually amaze me.

 I had a Stylus Photo EX before the S9000, and the Epson was noisy and
 slow, and the head clogged continually if inactive for more than a week
 at a time. I would not consider another Epson at this time.

 HTH




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Re: December PUG is open

2004-12-02 Thread Alin Flaider

  Uh, mea maxima culpa indeed. I stopped updating the directory when
  the komkon server died and I lost access to history galleries (the
  tool that generates the directory is a post process approach - it
  needs the gallery to be published and available for parsing).
  I just checked and seeing that the komkon resurrected I'll take a
  couple of hours and update the directory. I'll let you know when
  it's available.
  
  Servus,  Alin

AvK wrote:
A No because Alin stopped to make these pages.
A I hope that we will go online with the new PUG sometime next year, than you
A will get all the archives you want.

A Adelheid


 Than you very much for another great job with the PUG!
 
 Adelheid v. K. wrote:
 
 The archives seem to be working on 
 http://pug.komkon.org/general/PugDir.html , at least through Jan. 04.  A
 few weeks ago I was trying to complile  a list of all the shots I've
 submitted to the PUG, and was unable to find a list for most of this
 year.  Is there anyplace that might be available, at least the names, if
 not all the photos?
 
 Dan M
 
 Hi folks,
 
 The DEcember PUG is available on my website AND on the komkon server.
 
 This means:
 
 The archives are NOT!!! working on both pages. At least not for the last
 5
 months. 
 But you have at least a link to Josteins page and you can look at the
 pictures of July.
 
 I don't have much space on my site, so only the current month and last
 month
 is available! No archives as such.
 You can have a look at the previous PUGs via the pastgalleries page on
 the
 komkon server.
 Thanks to Igor to bring the server back. 
 
 So now the issue of the URL
 It will change each month at present it is:
 http://www.kirschten.de/PUG/04dec
 
 and http://pug.komkon.org




Re: OT Sharpening for D-Lab 2 Prints

2004-12-02 Thread Alin Flaider

  Rob,

  I use a D-Lab 2 and the prints I get are quite sharp and crisp
  (printed as is, no changes from the operators, minimal USM from my
  part - I much dislike garrish sharpening of most digital prints
  nowadays).

  Except that once it happened that I received prints obviously not as
  sharp as I sent. Looking closer it became apparent that red and blue
  channels were grossly mis-registered. You may want to closely
  inspect your prints for that.

  Servus,  Alin

Rob wrote:

RS Has anyone here done any experiments to determine the optimum sharpening to
RS apply to image files destined to print on a D-Lab 2? I just received a 
12x8 D-
RS Lab 2 test print back and details appear far less acute than a print from 
the
RS same file made on a relatively inexpensive Epson ink jet at A4 :-(

RS TIA,
\



Re[2]: OT Sharpening for D-Lab 2 Prints

2004-12-02 Thread Alin Flaider
  
  Strange, I thought there is nothing to focus about lasers, after all
  those are in-phase, rectilinear beams with extremely low
  dispersion!? Could it be the so called focus procedure is rather an
  alignment process to insure the three laser spots overlap?

  Servus,  Alin

Butch wrote:

BB There is also the possibility that the focus on the d-lab is off a touch. I
BB never worked with a d-lab, but the frontiers have a routine that focuses the
BB 3 lasers, so I assume the same is true with the agfa. Try giving them a
BB negative you know is in sharp focus and see how the result comes out. It is
BB also possible that they don't realize that their machine has drifted out of
BB focus. That happened to me at Eckerds. My analog Fuji was a touch soft. I
BB didn't notice until a new customer brought in a  large order, complained
BB that it was soft, took a couple frame to be printed at a competitor and
BB brought them back. I then got to adjust focus on the machine without the
BB proper focus neg. Luckily I have a masters in seat of the pants.  :) It is
BB also possible that they keep their focus slightly soft to minimize dust
BB spots. An old pro lab I used to use did that.

BB Butch




Re: OT Sharpening for D-Lab 2 Prints

2004-12-02 Thread Steve Jolly
Alin Flaider wrote:
  Strange, I thought there is nothing to focus about lasers, after all
  those are in-phase, rectilinear beams with extremely low
  dispersion!? Could it be the so called focus procedure is rather an
  alignment process to insure the three laser spots overlap?
It's unlikely that the width of the beam at its source is going to be 
exactly the same size as the desired spot size on the paper.  Hence 
focussing is required to change the size.

S


Changing metering modes in Ds?

2004-12-02 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Hi,

The Ds has a great amount of interesting features but
its simplicity (few wheels and buttons) can make the
access to some of these features too complicated to be
really usable.

Being my current AF camera a MZ-5n, that has a
dedicated and very convenient commandment to change
between spot, multi-zone and CW metering mode, I am
worried about how does it works in the Ds and how
convenient it is to use 'in the field' (I use it a lot
in the 5n).

So, have any of you tried this in a Ds?

Thanks and regards,
Jaume




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Re: PESO: Sunset in Santa Monica

2004-12-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks to all who commented. I went out specifically because it was 
hazy. I've shot that sunset under clear skies any number of times, so I 
wanted something with more atmosphere. I think the sharp silhouettes in 
the foreground contrast with the hazy background. In any case, that was 
my intent.

On Dec 1, 2004, at 11:26 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
Good shot! Too bad it was so hazy that day, but...that's a familiar 
happening around there.

keith whaley
Mar Vista
Paul Stenquist wrote:
 From the park above the palisades just off Ocean and Broadway.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2926176size=lg




Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....

2004-12-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
It would work. To me, it wouldn't be worth the effort or the expense. 
Plus, you would lose the contrast of warm and cold.
Paul
On Dec 1, 2004, at 11:52 PM, Juey Chong Ong wrote:

Cotty,
Would it work if you cover the windows with sheets of warming filters?
--jc
On Nov 27, 2004, at 4:26 AM, Cotty wrote:
Interesting. You have come across a classic mixed lighting situation 
and
balanced the picture entirely for tungsten. I daily shoot pics for the
news in such scenarios (minus the nice tree :-) and I can tell you 
that I
hate the ultra blue windows with a vengeance. Some people like the 
cold
blue exteriors through a window I gather ;-)

For video, what I would do here is have a couple of redheads up with
half-blue gels on them (about 3900K I think they are) and balance for
daylight (5600K). This keeps the exterior light from going so blue, 
and
allows the artificial lighting to meet the daylight half way, while
giving the domestic lamps some nice warm pools of tungsten 
illumination.
Also, the tree lights would have a nice rosy glow to them.

It looks like you've sprayed gold paint on everything but the windows 
;-)

For stills, I would have balanced for daylight and used flash, keeping
the domestic lighting from being  obliterated as much as possible - I
appreciate you probably shot RAW
I know we all see things different, I merely present my approach in 
such
situations.

Best,

Cheers,
  Cotty
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Re: PESO

2004-12-02 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Wed, 01 Dec 2004 19:21:54 -0800

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/paw/rolleireindeer.jpg

OK, it's a horrible waste of resources, 
and is a shamelessly bad snapshot.
However, that is a 110 pound Rottweiler in the picture

William Robb 

Rottelope?  :)
(ala Bloom County)

Sincerely,

C. Brendemuehl
 





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Re: Epson Printer (Sylus Photo)

2004-12-02 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
The Epson design is sometimes a problem because of the print head nozzle 
design.  They clog when dry.  Epson does recommend
a small amount of warm water to clear them.  (At least they did with my old 
Stylus Color 400, almost as old as the Stylus Photo.)  If one's household 
humidity level gets too low in the winter months and printing is seldom, they 
can clog regularly.
It's a problem.

Sincerely,

C. Brendemuehl
 





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Re: PESO: Sunset in Santa Monica

2004-12-02 Thread Keith Whaley

Paul Stenquist wrote:
Thanks to all who commented. I went out specifically because it was 
hazy. I've shot that sunset under clear skies any number of times, so I 
wanted something with more atmosphere. I think the sharp silhouettes in 
the foreground contrast with the hazy background. In any case, that was 
my intent.
And it worked very well indeed!
keith
On Dec 1, 2004, at 11:26 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
Good shot! Too bad it was so hazy that day, but...that's a familiar 
happening around here.

keith whaley
Mar Vista
Paul Stenquist wrote:
 From the park above the palisades just off Ocean and Broadway.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2926176size=lg



OT: Vivitar 550FD M/P/O - Pentax SP TTL flash solution

2004-12-02 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
From Gene Poon on Yahoo group.

Sincerely,

C. Brendemuehl

*
 The Vivitar 550FD M/P/O (Minolta/Pentax/Olympus) is a medium power 
 bounce-head flash with TTL capability, for use with all Pentax
 cameras with or without flash programming.  It has its own sensor for
 autoflash, so it can be used with the screw mount models, the K
 series and the MX/ME, with the user setting X-sync shutter speed and
 aperture.  It has the simple flash program for the ME Super, MV,
 etc., where the camera will automatically set the X-sync shutter
 speed when receiving a ready signal from the flash and the user
 sets aperture.  On the Super Program, LX, etc., it will do TTL flash
 with auto aperture select and auto shutter speed select using the
 camera's internal sensor and Pentax's ANALOG communications link
 between camera and flash.  On the autofocus Pentax cameras, it is
 SUPPOSED to be able to do full TTL programmed flash with auto
 aperture select and auto shutter speed select via Analog 
 communications, but on most of them, one of the pins used for
 dedication to Minolta or Olympus cameras causes spurious signals to
 be introduced to the autofocus Pentax body via the digital contact in
 the hotshoe. This interferes with the control circuitry of the
 autofocus Pentax. Depending on the camera model, the effect may be
 improper exposure; an unstable shutter speed, switching at will
 between X-sync and ambient; or a lockup of the camera's circuitry
 until the battery is removed (if you are lucky, there may be no
 effect at all, but that's not what I normally see).
 
 This is a shame; the Vivitar 550FD M/P/O is a lightweight and
 reliable flash unit; if it didn't have this anomaly with the 
 autofocus bodies, it would be usable with both manual and autofocus 
 Pentax, and could be considered to be an almost AF280T lacking only
 a rotating flash head and viewfinder Sufficient Flash indication;
 and that function is included, on the rear panel of the flash,
 instead of in the viewfinder.  It's inexpensive in the used market;
 while the Pentax AF280T is a current Pentax model generally selling
 in used condition for $50 and up on Internet auctions, the Vivitar
 550FD M/P/O can generally be had cheaply.
 
 It is easy to modify the Vivitar 550FD M/P/O internally to eliminate
 this interference with the circuitry of the Pentax autofocus bodies.
 Yes, one could tape off the offending contacts, but the sharp tips on
 the pins will wear through the tape in short order.  NOTE: this
 modification involves minor disassembly, and work with some small 
 wires inside the bottom of the flash.  If you feel you may have 
 difficulty doing it safely, refer the job to someone who is skilled
 in this kind of work.
 
 First, for safety's sake, you MUST discharge the storage capacitor by
 switching the flash ON and to the M mode, and then discharging
 the flash using the READY/TEST button, switching it off IMMEDIATELY
 without any delay.  Remove the batteries and let the flash sit for
 24-48 hours, which should bleed off the residual voltage on the
 storage capacitor.
 
 Remove the mounting foot by unscrewing four screws.  Be careful not
 to lose the screws; if you do, don't use anything longer as a
 replacement since there is circuitry inside the bottom of the flash
 and you don't want a longer screw touching it.  Gently pull the
 mounting foot away, and notice the wiring on the inside of the foot,
 to the numbered terminals.  Do NOT touch the visible circuit board,
 but note the wires connected to the pins marked 1 and 2.  On
 mine, the wire to 1 was purple, the one to 2 was white.  Cut them
 off the pins with a nail clipper or small wire cutting pliers; I
 recommend leaving a small bit of the color coded insulation on the
 terminal so you can reconnect correctly later on if you want to.
 Using a small piece of tape, insulate the wires you cut, so they
 won't touch each other or anything else.  Put back the mounting foot
 and the four screws.  Put a small piece of tape inside the battery
 door, marked PENTAX ONLY because the flash dedication won't work
 with Minolta or Olympus any more unless you put the wires back.
 
 That's it.  Now the Vivitar 550FD M/P/O will work with the Pentax 
 autofocus bodies, at least up to the MZ/ZX series (I have not tried
 it with the *ist series, film or digital).  Since I use both the PZ-1
 and LX, the 550FD is now ideal as a lightweight flash that can be
 used in TTL automation with both bodies.
 
 NOTE: This only applies to the Vivitar 550FD in its M/P/O version;
 the C/R and N versions do not have Pentax circuitry in them at all.
 Also, the same modification works on the Vivitar Series One 600
 M/P/O, which is the same basic flash as the 550FD M/P/O but with a
 rotating zoom head.


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Re: Epson Printer (Stylus Photo)

2004-12-02 Thread Keith Whaley
Sure.
In an Epson (as opposed to the Hewlett-Packard style wherein the ink 
jets are contained in the ink cartridge itself) they are in the 
cartridge's carrier/print head. No practical way to remove and clean, so 
the machine has a cleaning cycle built into it's software.
To elaborate, at  the end of every session, one should shut down the 
printer, whereupon the printer parks it's print head on a sponge 
material, which is meant to seal the jet orifices from ink evaporation.
Ink evaporation causes the ink to eventually get more and more 
concentrated, and finally solidify and plug up one or more of the many 
orifices.
When that happens, eventually you'll observe blank horizontal lines in 
anything you print.
Then you have to run a cleaning cycle until it comes out clear (clean) 
and prints well.

It may well be true that one cannot use an Epson ink jet printer 
sporadically, but must use it regularly to keep the ink jets from 
plugging up.
My observations support that contention...

keith whaley  == uses a cheap Stylus Photo 820.
Jens Bladt wrote:
Can anyone please explain what clogging means?
Thanks
Jens Bladt
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Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 2. december 2004 00:42
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Epson Printer (Stylus Photo)
My Epson 2200 is an absolute joy. It uses seven inks, five colors plus 
black and light black. The cartridges can be replaced individually. 
And, as with the Canon, I can pop a cartridge out and reinsert it to 
try for another print. It's so quiet, I sometimes have to walk right up 
to it to make sure it's printing. Prior to this printer I had an Epson 
1200 Stylus Photo. Never had a problem with that printer either, 
although the 2200 is definitely superior in terms of the way it renders 
shadows and gradations of color. My next printer will be the Epson that 
replaces the 2200.
Paul



Re: Enabled.... hmmm

2004-12-02 Thread Frank Wajer
Mishka,

you'll hate me even more, I found one for EUR 295, :-)))
This lens is really difficult to find, and I couldn't believe it when I saw one 
for sale, grabbed it immediately of course, and I'll never ever let go.

Frank

i hate you too.

 mishka


On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:05:52 +0100, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The A*135 1.8 is even larger, but I couldnĀ“t resist at the price of NOK
 3500 (a little more than US $500).



Re: Christmas Project

2004-12-02 Thread Chris Stoddart

Pat,

I tried something like this once about 20 years ago with an ME Super + 
winder, a 135/2.8 (not Pentax), tripod and a great long air release. The 
objective was to photograph siskins (Carduelis pinus, about the size of a 
fat sparrow) on a feeder whilst I was hiding in the house.

Although technically fine, the results weren't very pretty, maybe because 
judging the 'decisive moment' from 30 feet away behind glass was bloody 
hard. Also, even with a 135mm the click of the shutter and/or whirr of 
the winder scared the birds away EVERY time, so it took about 2 hours to 
get 1/2 doz pictures. I think this also contributed to the birds looking 
a bit freaked out in the photos too :-) I'm afraid I haven't repeated the 
experiment since.

The 15mm might be a fun idea right up close (a 'birds-eye view', hah!), 
but I suspect it will be very hit and miss and you'll get a lot of waste 
shots. It may be possible to desensitize the birds to the camera by 
placing a similar box it the same position and piping 'click-whirr' sounds 
through it. Other than that it's almost certainly going to scare them off 
each shot.

Good luck with it though and you'll have to let us see any good pics?

Chris


On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Pat Curran wrote:

 I plan an attempt at bird table photography during the holidays using one of
 my Super A bodies / Motor Drive A and a 15mm f3.5 A lens.
 
 The plan is to bait a pre-focused area for song birds and then fire the
 tripod mounted Super A via a newly acquired infrared trigger from the
 comfort of the kitchen window.
 
 Anyone any experience of this type of bird photography?
 
 My other lenses are a 50mm f1.4 A and a 200mm f4 A.  (- also ordered a used
 28mm f2.8 A from KEH tonight so I will have a choice of four lenses - ) Any
 suggestions on the best lens to use on this project or other tips would be
 very much appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Pat
 



EC with TTL Flash on ist D?

2004-12-02 Thread Don Sanderson
I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL
flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400.
I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject.
Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit.

At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly*
overexposed.
What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual?
What does one do in this situation?

TIA
Don



RE: enabled twice over!

2004-12-02 Thread Amita Guha
What's your point?

 -Original Message-
 From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 3:09 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: enabled twice over!
 
 
 The large majority of photos in the sample were shot with digital 
 cameras that produce between a 1.3 to 1.7 crop factor.  When you take 
 that into account the fisheye doesn't show much line bending at all 
 since you've taken only the center portion of the image.  The 
 resulting 
 image looks like it was produced with an approximately, 
 (keeping in mind 
 that you can't really do a crop factor calculation to the 
 equivalent AOV 
 comparisons between 35mm and smaller sensors due to the non 
 linearity of 
 the fisheye to begin with), 20mm lens with very bad barrel 
 distortion as 
 opposed to a real fisheye. 
 
 Amita Guha wrote:
 
 Here you go!
 
 http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/15_28_ex
 
 There are 674 of them. Have fun. :)
 
   
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Sherburne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:20 PM
 To: Pentax Discussion List
 Subject: Re: enabled twice over!
 
 
 
 Amita... What's the link to those pics? I just received the
 Zenitar and would also like to look at some other uses for 
 the fisheye beyond the crazy/weird effect.
 
 Tim
 
 On 12/1/04 20:10, Amita Guha wrote:
 
 
 
 Oh, I love the distortion, and I've been wanting a fisheye for a
 while. The photos I saw on Pbase last night showed me the creative 
 potential of using a fisheye beyond just showing off the fisheye 
 effect. Plus, I can always de-fish the shots. :)
   
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 -- 
 I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
 During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
 and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on 
 during peacetime.
   --P.J. O'Rourke
 
 



RE: enabled twice over!

2004-12-02 Thread Don Sanderson
He's saying that on the ist D you are only
using the central portion of the fisheyes
image circle where the effect is the least.
This reduces the 'fisheye' effect and the
results look more like a distorted WA shot
than a true fisheye shot.
I'm just now playing with the Zenitar
16/2.8.
If I compose carefully the shot looks like
a very WA shot with little fisheye effect.
On a 35mm this would not be the case.

Don


 -Original Message-
 From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:21 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: enabled twice over!
 
 
 What's your point?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 3:09 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: enabled twice over!
  
  
  The large majority of photos in the sample were shot with digital 
  cameras that produce between a 1.3 to 1.7 crop factor.  When you take 
  that into account the fisheye doesn't show much line bending at all 
  since you've taken only the center portion of the image.  The 
  resulting 
  image looks like it was produced with an approximately, 
  (keeping in mind 
  that you can't really do a crop factor calculation to the 
  equivalent AOV 
  comparisons between 35mm and smaller sensors due to the non 
  linearity of 
  the fisheye to begin with), 20mm lens with very bad barrel 
  distortion as 
  opposed to a real fisheye. 
  
  Amita Guha wrote:
  
  Here you go!
  
  http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/15_28_ex
  
  There are 674 of them. Have fun. :)
  

  
  -Original Message-
  From: Tim Sherburne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:20 PM
  To: Pentax Discussion List
  Subject: Re: enabled twice over!
  
  
  
  Amita... What's the link to those pics? I just received the
  Zenitar and would also like to look at some other uses for 
  the fisheye beyond the crazy/weird effect.
  
  Tim
  
  On 12/1/04 20:10, Amita Guha wrote:
  
  
  
  Oh, I love the distortion, and I've been wanting a fisheye for a
  while. The photos I saw on Pbase last night showed me the creative 
  potential of using a fisheye beyond just showing off the fisheye 
  effect. Plus, I can always de-fish the shots. :)

  
  
  

  
  
  
  -- 
  I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
  During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
  and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on 
  during peacetime.
  --P.J. O'Rourke
  
  
 



Re: Christmas Project

2004-12-02 Thread Bob Sullivan
Pat,
Like Chris, I've used a long air release some 20 years ago on some
Baltimore Orioles at the feeder.  I don't remember if I used a 50mm or
135mm, but you can get really close and fill the frame with the feed
tray  bird.  I've still got the shots around somewhere...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:02:07 + (GMT), Chris Stoddart
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Pat,
 
 I tried something like this once about 20 years ago with an ME Super +
 winder, a 135/2.8 (not Pentax), tripod and a great long air release. The
 objective was to photograph siskins (Carduelis pinus, about the size of a
 fat sparrow) on a feeder whilst I was hiding in the house.
 
 Although technically fine, the results weren't very pretty, maybe because
 judging the 'decisive moment' from 30 feet away behind glass was bloody
 hard. Also, even with a 135mm the click of the shutter and/or whirr of
 the winder scared the birds away EVERY time, so it took about 2 hours to
 get 1/2 doz pictures. I think this also contributed to the birds looking
 a bit freaked out in the photos too :-) I'm afraid I haven't repeated the
 experiment since.
 
 The 15mm might be a fun idea right up close (a 'birds-eye view', hah!),
 but I suspect it will be very hit and miss and you'll get a lot of waste
 shots. It may be possible to desensitize the birds to the camera by
 placing a similar box it the same position and piping 'click-whirr' sounds
 through it. Other than that it's almost certainly going to scare them off
 each shot.
 
 Good luck with it though and you'll have to let us see any good pics?
 
 Chris
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Pat Curran wrote:
 
  I plan an attempt at bird table photography during the holidays using one of
  my Super A bodies / Motor Drive A and a 15mm f3.5 A lens.
 
  The plan is to bait a pre-focused area for song birds and then fire the
  tripod mounted Super A via a newly acquired infrared trigger from the
  comfort of the kitchen window.
 
  Anyone any experience of this type of bird photography?
 
  My other lenses are a 50mm f1.4 A and a 200mm f4 A.  (- also ordered a used
  28mm f2.8 A from KEH tonight so I will have a choice of four lenses - ) Any
  suggestions on the best lens to use on this project or other tips would be
  very much appreciated.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Pat
 
 




Optio 750 review in DPR

2004-12-02 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax750z/

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek




Flash output compensation on *istD

2004-12-02 Thread boris
Hi!

I've read through the manual and couldn't find it. What if I am in (the manual)
mode where I want to control the output of the (built-in) flash. How can I do
it?
Is it at all possible?

Thanks.

Boris




Re: Flash output compensation on *istD

2004-12-02 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02.12.04 14:34:

 I've read through the manual and couldn't find it. What if I am in (the
 manual)
 mode where I want to control the output of the (built-in) flash. How can I do
 it?
 Is it at all possible?
The old trick with being in manual mode and using normal exposure
compensation should work AFAIR :-)

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek




RE: Flash output compensation on *istD

2004-12-02 Thread Don Sanderson
Same question as my EC with TTL Flash on ist D? below.

Don

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:34 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Flash output compensation on *istD
 
 
 Hi!
 
 I've read through the manual and couldn't find it. What if I am 
 in (the manual)
 mode where I want to control the output of the (built-in) flash. 
 How can I do
 it?
 Is it at all possible?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Boris
 
 



RE: Flash output compensation on *istD

2004-12-02 Thread Don Sanderson
Here's a copy of my earlier post in case it didn't get to
the list:

I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL
flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400.
I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject.
Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit.

At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly*
overexposed.
What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual?
What does one do in this situation?

TIA
Don

 -Original Message-
 From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:37 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Flash output compensation on *istD
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02.12.04 14:34:
 
  I've read through the manual and couldn't find it. What if I am in (the
  manual)
  mode where I want to control the output of the (built-in) 
 flash. How can I do
  it?
  Is it at all possible?
 The old trick with being in manual mode and using normal exposure
 compensation should work AFAIR :-)
 
 -- 
 Best Regards
 Sylwek
 
 



RE: enabled twice over!

2004-12-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Well, the observations are obvious, and the impression I get (at least from
Peter's post) is that somehow this is unacceptable, or not a good use for
the lens, or that another lens might be better suited to the photos.  I
only saw four or five pics, and while  I do think some may have been better
suited to a rectilinear lens, clearly Amita was experimenting a bit (674
pics seems to indicate that), and I'm sure that she'll soon find the ideal
use for that particular optic.

The idea of using only the central portion of the fisheye seems like a good
way to go with a camera like the istd.  Still, I'd like to see some pics
comparing this lens (and the Zenitar) with similar focal length rectilinear
lenses, like the Pentax 14mm, 15mm, and the 16mm side of that zoom (16~45?)
that's available for the istd.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 He's saying that on the ist D you are only
 using the central portion of the fisheyes
 image circle where the effect is the least.
 This reduces the 'fisheye' effect and the
 results look more like a distorted WA shot
 than a true fisheye shot.
 I'm just now playing with the Zenitar
 16/2.8.
 If I compose carefully the shot looks like
 a very WA shot with little fisheye effect.
 On a 35mm this would not be the case.

 Don


  -Original Message-
  From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  What's your point?
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

   The large majority of photos in the sample were shot with digital 
   cameras that produce between a 1.3 to 1.7 crop factor.  When you take 
   that into account the fisheye doesn't show much line bending at all 
   since you've taken only the center portion of the image.  

   http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/15_28_ex
   
   There are 674 of them. Have fun. :)




Re: E6 with JOBO

2004-12-02 Thread David Zaninovic
You may be right... I just ordered D with the 16-45 for around $1350 after 
rebate.  It will pay for itself after one year in film
and processing savings.  I will also shoot more as I don't have to conserve 
film.

- Original Message - 
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: E6 with JOBO


 I think you have this backwards, it is cheaper to use a digital
 camera than buy and process E6 film after X number of exposures...
 JCO

 -Original Message-
 From: David Zaninovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:35 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: E6 with JOBO


 I got a wild idea that I could do my own E6 processing as used JOBO
 CPE-2 processors with lift are cheap right now.  Is anybody on the list
 doing that ?  Which chemicals are the best, Kodak or Tetenal ?  How long
 can unmixed chemicals last after the bottle is opened with Kodak vs
 Tetenal ?  Which process is the easiest and which one is the best ?

 I am using ZX-M and scanning, and I am too cheap to go *ist D/Ds so this
 is on topic. :)




Re: E6 with JOBO

2004-12-02 Thread David Zaninovic
Forget it, my wife would kill me if the whole house got the formaldehyde smell, 
I ordered D with 16-45 instead.
I would love to play with chemicals but I don't have a separate room to do it 
and doing it in the bathroom is not fun.

- Original Message - 
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: E6 with JOBO


 
 - Original Message - 
 From: David Zaninovic
 Subject: E6 with JOBO
 
 
 I got a wild idea that I could do my own E6 processing as used JOBO 
 CPE-2 processors with lift are cheap right now.  Is anybody on
  the list doing that ?  Which chemicals are the best, Kodak or 
  Tetenal ?  How long can unmixed chemicals last after the bottle is
  opened with Kodak vs Tetenal ?  Which process is the easiest and 
  which one is the best ?
 
 Too simple.
 Best does not exist, only what compromises you consider important.
 What brand of film are you shooting?
 It matters.
 
 Don't take on E-^ processing because you think it will be cheaper.
 Take it on because you want to be a tech head, and you want to be in 
 control of your work, no matter what it costs.
 
 
 
  I am using ZX-M and scanning, and I am too cheap to go *ist D/Ds so 
  this is on topic. :)
 
 I don't know how slide processing has anything to do with digital 
 cameras.
 
 William Robb 
 
 



Re: Enabled.... hmmm

2004-12-02 Thread dagt
We'll have to start a most hated club :-)

If you could see how my A* 85 1.4 looks after 15 years of hard use I'd be 
president of that club (the glass is fine, I had a CLA and check a couple of 
years ago).  

DagT
 
 fra: Frank Wajer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Mishka,
 
 you'll hate me even more, I found one for EUR 295, :-)))
 This lens is really difficult to find, and I couldn't believe it when I saw 
 one for sale, grabbed it immediately of course, and I'll never ever let go.
 
 Frank
 
 i hate you too.
 
  mishka
 
 
 On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:05:52 +0100, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The A*135 1.8 is even larger, but I couldnĀ“t resist at the price of NOK
  3500 (a little more than US $500).
 
 



Re: One more:What is your incamera sharpening set to.

2004-12-02 Thread Christian


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/1/2004, 2:57 AM:

  What is your prefered sharpness setting in the *istD.

Lately i've set everything at the middle setting which is normal i 
guess.  I shoot RAW almost exclusively so I'll make adjustments on a 
per-picture basis in Camera RAW and PS CS.

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: PESO

2004-12-02 Thread Christian


William Robb wrote on 12/1/2004, 10:20 PM:

  http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/paw/rolleireindeer.jpg
 
  OK, it's a horrible waste of resources, and is a shamelessly bad
  snapshot.
  However, that is a 110 pound Rottweiler in the picture

In other pictures of Rollei and Leica they've been posing quite 
obediently.  I like how in this example the dog needed to be retrained 
(if only lightly; good dog) to keep from removing the antlers and 
perhaps giving his tormentors a good thrashing  :-)

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: PESO: Sunset in Santa Monica

2004-12-02 Thread Christian


Paul Stenquist wrote on 12/2/2004, 6:26 AM:

  Thanks to all who commented. I went out specifically because it was
  hazy. I've shot that sunset under clear skies any number of times, so I
  wanted something with more atmosphere. I think the sharp silhouettes in
  the foreground contrast with the hazy background. In any case, that was
  my intent.

And that's what i liked about it...  Very nice tranquil shot.

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Peso - ferry to argentia

2004-12-02 Thread Christian


Ann Sanfedele wrote on 11/28/2004, 12:00 AM:

  Just started putting some old black and whites up
  on photo net -
  here is one:
 
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2915425
 
  This was the ferry between Cape Breton Island
  (Sydney) and Argentia, Newfoundland.
 

I really like this shot Ann, makes me feel the roll of the ship.

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



PESO - Moonrise over Assawoman Bay

2004-12-02 Thread Christian
Yes, the name of the bay near Ocean City, Maryland is called Assawoman 
Bay.  It's connected to Little Assawoman Bay in Delaware to the north 
and empties into the Atlantic Ocean to the south.

This shot is facing East towards Ocean City.

http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=10pos=3

shot with the D and an A 50/2, cropped and resized for the web.

Comments always appreciated.

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: OT - interesting book on ebay...

2004-12-02 Thread ernreed2
Quoting Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Quoting Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   Well I'll tell you what  do what I do  - I wait to see what others on
 the
   list
   say about
   some link that is posted to see if it sounds interesting :)
 
  LOL, Ann, I do the same thing!
 
  ERNR
 
 Seems to me we agree on a lot of things, Ern! :)
 ann
 
 

Except politics.
Which, I suppose, says something about the overall (lack of) importance of 
politics!
:-P


ERNR




Re: Filter question

2004-12-02 Thread ernreed2
Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Shel Belinkoff
 Subject: Re: Filter question
 
 
  If God had wanted us to use cameras, we'd have all been born with 
  one.
 
 We weren't?


JUST one?


ERNR



Re: Some really neat northern lights photos

2004-12-02 Thread ernreed2
Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jens Bladt
 Subject: RE: Some really neat northern lights photos
 
 
  Iceland must be really beautiful. My son (13) was there twice 
  already. I
  have never been to Iceland. Maybe I will go some day.
  Iceland have more internet connections, than any other European 
  country,
  compared to the number of people living there. Norway is number 2, 
  Sweeden
  number 3, Denmark number 4. I wonder why... I guess if it's cold, 
  people
  tend to stay more indoors!?
 
 My understanding is that Iceland is about the most inaptly named 
 country in the world.
 Greenland is perhaps a bit less aptly named


Named by the same people, right?



Re: PESO - Moonrise over Assawoman Bay

2004-12-02 Thread pnstenquist
Beautiful shot. I love the coloration. I also find the composition quite 
pleasant, with the sun offset to the left. This appears to be one of those 
times when a horizon near the center of the frame works well. Nice work.


 Yes, the name of the bay near Ocean City, Maryland is called Assawoman 
 Bay.  It's connected to Little Assawoman Bay in Delaware to the north 
 and empties into the Atlantic Ocean to the south.
 
 This shot is facing East towards Ocean City.
 
 http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=10pos=3
 
 shot with the D and an A 50/2, cropped and resized for the web.
 
 Comments always appreciated.
 
 -- 
 Christian
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 



Re: PESO - Moonrise over Assawoman Bay

2004-12-02 Thread Christian


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/2/2004, 9:57 AM:

  Beautiful shot. I love the coloration. I also find the composition
  quite pleasant, with the sun offset to the left. This appears to be
  one of those times when a horizon near the center of the frame works
  well. Nice work.

thanks, Paul, I'm glad you liked it, but 'tis the moon, Kate.

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: enabled twice over!

2004-12-02 Thread Tim Sherburne

It depends on your goal, but all-in-all you'll find that the cropped center
of an FE can't compete with a good rectilinear lens. Looking through the
gallery on Pbase, the digital shots are mildly distorted, enough to suggest
a bad lens rather than a fish-eye effect.

In my initial query to Amita I was looking for creative ways others have
used the extreme FE effect (on film or FF digital) to really add to the
image beyond the superficial goofiness. Not that the goofiness is bad, but I
already have another 180Ā° rectilinear wide-angle that I can use to get plain
vanilla wide shots.

For example, some of the shots here where made with the Zenitar:

http://www.arinahnell.com/01-04-04/index.htm

This was the point I made in a separate thread about choosing the MZ-S over
the *istD: The crop factor is something I don't like, so I'm waiting for a
FF digital solution, which, I admit, may be a ways off and will be
expensive. But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Tim

On 12/2/04 5:44, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 The idea of using only the central portion of the fisheye seems like a good
 way to go with a camera like the istd.  Still, I'd like to see some pics
 comparing this lens (and the Zenitar) with similar focal length rectilinear
 lenses, like the Pentax 14mm, 15mm, and the 16mm side of that zoom (16~45?)
 that's available for the istd.
 
 Shel 
 
 
 [Original Message]
 From: Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 He's saying that on the ist D you are only
 using the central portion of the fisheyes
 image circle where the effect is the least.
 This reduces the 'fisheye' effect and the
 results look more like a distorted WA shot
 than a true fisheye shot.
 I'm just now playing with the Zenitar
 16/2.8.
 If I compose carefully the shot looks like
 a very WA shot with little fisheye effect.
 On a 35mm this would not be the case.
 
 Don
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 What's your point?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 The large majority of photos in the sample were shot with digital
 cameras that produce between a 1.3 to 1.7 crop factor.  When you take
 that into account the fisheye doesn't show much line bending at all
 since you've taken only the center portion of the image.
 
 http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/15_28_ex
 
 There are 674 of them. Have fun. :)
 
 
 
 




Re: Peso - ferry to argentia

2004-12-02 Thread Jack Davis
Well, Christian...if you feel the need, remember to go
to the downwind side of the ship. ; ))

Jack (alas, too weak to resist)


--- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 Ann Sanfedele wrote on 11/28/2004, 12:00 AM:
 
   Just started putting some old black and whites up
   on photo net -
   here is one:
  
  
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2915425
  
   This was the ferry between Cape Breton Island
   (Sydney) and Argentia, Newfoundland.
  
 
 I really like this shot Ann, makes me feel the roll
 of the ship.
 
 -- 
 Christian
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 





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Re: Odd Focal Length

2004-12-02 Thread Frantisek
It wasn't odd at all.

Such lengths as 55 or 58mm gave perfect lifesize viewing with
viewfinders of the SLRs they were introduced along with.

That is one of the reasons.

Another might be that it is easier to design a superfast lens with
narrower field of view and longer clearing distance from the swinging
mirror, thus many of the early super-fast lenses (f/1.2, f/1.4) were
slightly longer.

Frantisek



Re: Good normal lens for the *ist-en?

2004-12-02 Thread Frantisek
NC From: Jarek Dabrowski[EMAIL PROTECTED]
NC  Could you tell more about Sigma 24/1.8 performance (sharpness, and 
flare
NC control) ? Have you used it on a full-frame SLR ?

I tried it out on film few years ago. Wide open it was nothing
stellar. Also, wide open it has less relative transmission than
stopped down, thus the real T stop (f stop but defined as actual
light reaching the film, not theoretical amount of f stop) was
slightly less than 1.8, it was more like f/2.3 lens. but used at 2.8
it wasn't bad if I remember. It didn't impress me on the whole when I
compared it to such superb lenses as AIS Nikkor 2.8/24 I was using. I
never owned a Pentax 24mm lens, though, so I can't compare it to
these, but the 2.8 versions are said to be excellent as well. However,
from my limited experience with it, if you are looking for super-fast
lens for film or digital body, the wide aperture isn't usable anyway,
so you might be quite better either with 2.8/24 from Pentax (or for
cheaper, the 2.8/24 Sigma which was optically better than the later
1.8 in my opinion).

Standard disclaimer: Your mileage may vary. Lens testing and
comparisons between different people are a minefield of subjectivity.

All above comments are my opinion and may apply only to the samples I
actually tried out, not to all lenses of that type.

;-)

Good light!
   fra



RE: Changing metering modes in Ds?

2004-12-02 Thread Andy Chang
Jaume,
I'm sorry to tell you that changing the metering mode in Ds is not as
simple as pushing ONE button.
It involves going into menu to make the change. So the Menu button and 2
pushes of the UP button, One push of the RIGHT button and UP or DOWN
depending on which mode you choose.
So there you go As I said, not the simplest, but since I use mostly
Center Weighted mode, I just leave it there

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Jaume Lahuerta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Changing metering modes in Ds?

Hi,

The Ds has a great amount of interesting features but
its simplicity (few wheels and buttons) can make the
access to some of these features too complicated to be
really usable.

Being my current AF camera a MZ-5n, that has a
dedicated and very convenient commandment to change
between spot, multi-zone and CW metering mode, I am
worried about how does it works in the Ds and how
convenient it is to use 'in the field' (I use it a lot
in the 5n).

So, have any of you tried this in a Ds?

Thanks and regards,
Jaume




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Re: Christmas Project

2004-12-02 Thread Frantisek
Oh, you are quite advenurous. Aren't you afraid of them - ehm -
marking your 15mm as birds usually do?

Good luck with it. You might try to build a soundproof box for it.
Something like what is used on movie locations for stills and can
completely silence even the LX's motordrive blazing at full 5 fps

Fra



Re: E6 with JOBO

2004-12-02 Thread Frantisek

One thing to consider. I have the JOBO CPE-2 with lift (wwhich was, as
you note, quite cheap). Although only doing BW in it so far. One
thing to consider though, try getting a CPP-2 with lift. It has better
(digital) temperature control and also a cold water valve, which both
combine to simpler work at high temperature.

I can't help much on the processes. I just remember Tetenal had
several, including some tablets only (easy to mix). In fact Tetenal
had so many E6 and C41 kits that it got me confused ;-)

IIRC, the Kodak kit is the full spec E6 process with the most number
of separate baths, the others use usually combined bleach and fix and
sometimes more combined with stabiliser? Though the Kodak might be
more archival. dunno.

Good light!
   fra



RE: GESO: my cousin's wedding

2004-12-02 Thread Butch Black
Hi Amita

Nice work.

On that one that is a bit washed out, try kicking the contrast up in curves
in Photoshop by dragging the top and bottom points to make a steeper
incline.

Butch




Re: Odd Focal Length

2004-12-02 Thread Andre Langevin
It wasn't odd at all.
Such lengths as 55 or 58mm gave perfect lifesize viewing with
viewfinders of the SLRs they were introduced along with.
That is one of the reasons.
Another might be that it is easier to design a superfast lens with
narrower field of view and longer clearing distance from the swinging
mirror, thus many of the early super-fast lenses (f/1.2, f/1.4) were
slightly longer.
Frantisek
I think Pentax had the first 50mm 1.2 lens as all 1.2 lenses until 
then were 55mm or 58mm.

Andre


Re: PESO - Moonrise over Assawoman Bay

2004-12-02 Thread Bruce Dayton
Nice shot!  Gives a peaceful feeling, but a little chilly.  This is a
case where the horizon in the center works just fine because of the
moon and reflection.  Nice job!

You do need to clean those dust spots off the sensor and clone them
out of the picture.  :)


-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Thursday, December 2, 2004, 6:45:06 AM, you wrote:

C Yes, the name of the bay near Ocean City, Maryland is called Assawoman
C Bay.  It's connected to Little Assawoman Bay in Delaware to the north
C and empties into the Atlantic Ocean to the south.

C This shot is facing East towards Ocean City.

C http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=10pos=3

C shot with the D and an A 50/2, cropped and resized for the web.

C Comments always appreciated.





Re: enabled twice over!

2004-12-02 Thread Mark Stringer
I asked about using an A-16mm and Peter Ailing wrote and I tended to agree:

I have no experience with this lens on the *ist-d but the 17mm fisheye shows
enough distortion to look like a
24mm lens with extremely bad barrel distortion. It's neither fish nor fowl.
I wouldn't invest for that sole purpose.
The lens itself has a great reputation for what it is and on a 35mm camera
I'd love to have it, but not for the *ist-d.
(Just my opinion but you may not mind barrel distortion).


Mark Stringer wrote:

What is known about the Pentax SMC-A 16/2.8? Any opinions?  It is a
fisheye.  On an istD would the fisheye be as extreme as on film?- 
Original Message - 
From: Tim Sherburne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: enabled twice over!



 It depends on your goal, but all-in-all you'll find that the cropped
center
 of an FE can't compete with a good rectilinear lens. Looking through the
 gallery on Pbase, the digital shots are mildly distorted, enough to
suggest
 a bad lens rather than a fish-eye effect.

 In my initial query to Amita I was looking for creative ways others have
 used the extreme FE effect (on film or FF digital) to really add to the
 image beyond the superficial goofiness. Not that the goofiness is bad, but
I
 already have another 180Ā° rectilinear wide-angle that I can use to get
plain
 vanilla wide shots.

 For example, some of the shots here where made with the Zenitar:

 http://www.arinahnell.com/01-04-04/index.htm

 This was the point I made in a separate thread about choosing the MZ-S
over
 the *istD: The crop factor is something I don't like, so I'm waiting for a
 FF digital solution, which, I admit, may be a ways off and will be
 expensive. But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

 Tim

 On 12/2/04 5:44, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

  The idea of using only the central portion of the fisheye seems like a
good
  way to go with a camera like the istd.  Still, I'd like to see some pics
  comparing this lens (and the Zenitar) with similar focal length
rectilinear
  lenses, like the Pentax 14mm, 15mm, and the 16mm side of that zoom
(16~45?)
  that's available for the istd.
 
  Shel
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  He's saying that on the ist D you are only
  using the central portion of the fisheyes
  image circle where the effect is the least.
  This reduces the 'fisheye' effect and the
  results look more like a distorted WA shot
  than a true fisheye shot.
  I'm just now playing with the Zenitar
  16/2.8.
  If I compose carefully the shot looks like
  a very WA shot with little fisheye effect.
  On a 35mm this would not be the case.
 
  Don
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  What's your point?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  The large majority of photos in the sample were shot with digital
  cameras that produce between a 1.3 to 1.7 crop factor.  When you take
  that into account the fisheye doesn't show much line bending at all
  since you've taken only the center portion of the image.
 
  http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/15_28_ex
 
  There are 674 of them. Have fun. :)
 
 
 
 





Re: One more:What is your incamera sharpening set to.

2004-12-02 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Christian wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/1/2004, 2:57 AM:

   What is your prefered sharpness setting in the *istD.

 Lately i've set everything at the middle setting which is normal i
 guess.  I shoot RAW almost exclusively so I'll make adjustments on a
 per-picture basis in Camera RAW and PS CS.

 --
 Christian
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I don't have the capacity to shoot raw (balst) on my darksider
Powershot80.  I did
set the sharpening to low but like the so-called neutral setting and
now am
struggling to find how to revert to it in the manual after setting it to
low for some
reason that seemed like a good idea at the time.  havent done much fun
stuff with it
recently - mainly just ebay things.

annsan



Re: Peso - ferry to argentia

2004-12-02 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Christian wrote:

 Ann Sanfedele wrote on 11/28/2004, 12:00 AM:

   Just started putting some old black and whites up
   on photo net -
   here is one:
  
   http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2915425
  
   This was the ferry between Cape Breton Island
   (Sydney) and Argentia, Newfoundland.
  

 I really like this shot Ann, makes me feel the roll of the ship.

 --
 Christian
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks, Christian...
Fortunately for me, the ship wasn't rolling much that morning :)
annsan the landlubber





*istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

2004-12-02 Thread Jon Glass
http://photo.shopping.com/xPR-istDS~RD-163790294660
I read the above user review, and was a bit surprised at the comments 
on lag and slowness. From other things I have read about the *istDS, it 
is not so bad as this guy makes it sound. Does it feel as slow as this 
guy makes it sound? I wonder if the name biased him? (looking for an 
excuse to buy Nikon?) Now, I know that spec-wise and performance-wise 
(speed), the Nikon is better, but I didn't expect the Canon to out 
perform the Pentax, at least in a noticeable way. It's going to be a 
few months before I can get my hands on these beasts, but I'm dying to 
know. :-)
--
-Jon Glass
Krakow, Poland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Peso - ferry to argentia

2004-12-02 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Jack Davis wrote:

 Well, Christian...if you feel the need, remember to go
 to the downwind side of the ship. ; ))

 Jack (alas, too weak to resist)

LOL! Jack - see my comment back to Christian too --
ann



 --- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
  Ann Sanfedele wrote on 11/28/2004, 12:00 AM:
 
Just started putting some old black and whites up
on photo net -
here is one:
   
   
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2915425
   
This was the ferry between Cape Breton Island
(Sydney) and Argentia, Newfoundland.
   
 
  I really like this shot Ann, makes me feel the roll
  of the ship.
 
  --
  Christian
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 



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Can you do this in digital?

2004-12-02 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
In BW we can affect contrast and gray-level representation of color with the 
use of filters.  Some on the camera, some on the enlarger.

What I'm thinking of is really a question about the raw format.  Is it truely 
raw, the simple captured sensor data.
If it is, are there techniques in place to allow later treatment of the data as 
though it were the original light,
making it monochrome, filtering the colors, and anything else
that I'd like to do on the front end.

After it's converted it's not as difficult.

Is this even on the right track?

What I'm looking for is the ability to treat digital like film.
At least in terms of the sequence in handling the data.
And promise to never pour fixer onto a lens.

Sincerely,

C. Brendemuehl
 





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OT: attn Canadians Word Wars on CBC News World December 5 10!]

2004-12-02 Thread Ann Sanfedele
This just in -
So you guys can get a glimpse of moi and a few of
my old pics - I don't know
if you get to see the un-bleeped version or the
bleeped version up there
but it is a fascinating and funny film - even if
you don't play Scrabble.

My favorite part, is, of course, when the run the
credits :) - but in the TV
version they go too fast

annsan

 Original Message 
Subject: [cgp] Word Wars on CBC News World
December 5  10!
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:08:09 -0800
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To: Crossword Games Pro
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Canadians rejoice! Word Wars will be aired on CBC
News World channel
on December 5 and again on December 10 @ 10pm and
1am EST / 7pm and
10pm PST.

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/cinemareal/wordwars.html
http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeyesunday/index.html

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Re: PESO - Moonrise over Assawoman Bay

2004-12-02 Thread Christian


Bruce Dayton wrote on 12/2/2004, 11:57 AM:

  Nice shot!  Gives a peaceful feeling, but a little chilly.  This is a
  case where the horizon in the center works just fine because of the
  moon and reflection.  Nice job!

Thanks, Bruce.  I was freezing my a** that evening (I think it went down 
to 0 C, and windy!).
 
  You do need to clean those dust spots off the sensor and clone them
  out of the picture.  :)

Which dust specks? I think the spots you mean is dust on the lens...

thanks again.

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Changing metering modes in Ds?

2004-12-02 Thread Alin Flaider

  Great news, Jaume, it takes 11 clicks through menus at worst, 3 at
  best (hopefully one can wrap scrolling through the recording menu).
  Pentax placed the metering mode as well as flash compensation at the
  bottom of the menu page; image tone and size are considered far more
  useful options (or needed more debugging and the test department
  required faster access to it!?). :oY
  
  Servus,  Alin

Jaume wrote:

JL The Ds has a great amount of interesting features but
JL its simplicity (few wheels and buttons) can make the
JL access to some of these features too complicated to be
JL really usable.

JL Being my current AF camera a MZ-5n, that has a
JL dedicated and very convenient commandment to change
JL between spot, multi-zone and CW metering mode, I am
JL worried about how does it works in the Ds and how
JL convenient it is to use 'in the field' (I use it a lot
JL in the 5n).

JL So, have any of you tried this in a Ds?

JL Thanks and regards,
JL Jaume




Re: Changing metering modes in Ds?

2004-12-02 Thread Bruce Dayton
My feeling all along and after handling a DS in the store yesterday is
that those who are happy with something less than the MZ-5n, will be
happy with the DS.  Basically people who are going to leave it on one
of the program modes and not change much of anything very often.
Those who like the handling of the MZ-5n and up (PZ-1p, MZ-S, etc)
will be much happier with the *istD as it has the settings that would
be changed most often on dedicated switches and buttons.

The DS is nice, but I personally would not buy one for me.  I would
still buy the original D.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Thursday, December 2, 2004, 4:18:33 AM, you wrote:


AF   Great news, Jaume, it takes 11 clicks through menus at worst, 3 at
AF   best (hopefully one can wrap scrolling through the recording menu).
AF   Pentax placed the metering mode as well as flash compensation at the
AF   bottom of the menu page; image tone and size are considered far more
AF   useful options (or needed more debugging and the test department
AF   required faster access to it!?). :oY
  
AF   Servus,  Alin

AF Jaume wrote:

JL The Ds has a great amount of interesting features but
JL its simplicity (few wheels and buttons) can make the
JL access to some of these features too complicated to be
JL really usable.

JL Being my current AF camera a MZ-5n, that has a
JL dedicated and very convenient commandment to change
JL between spot, multi-zone and CW metering mode, I am
JL worried about how does it works in the Ds and how
JL convenient it is to use 'in the field' (I use it a lot
JL in the 5n).

JL So, have any of you tried this in a Ds?

JL Thanks and regards,
JL Jaume






Re: Changing metering modes in Ds?

2004-12-02 Thread Tim Sherburne

I don't have experience with those other models, but changing the metering
mode on the MZ-S rocks. One knob right on the top. In fact, the placement of
the knob makes it almost too easy: I've accidentally bumped it into another
mode a couple of times.

t

On 12/2/04 11:14, Bruce Dayton wrote:

 My feeling all along and after handling a DS in the store yesterday is
 that those who are happy with something less than the MZ-5n, will be
 happy with the DS.  Basically people who are going to leave it on one
 of the program modes and not change much of anything very often.
 Those who like the handling of the MZ-5n and up (PZ-1p, MZ-S, etc)
 will be much happier with the *istD as it has the settings that would
 be changed most often on dedicated switches and buttons.
 
 The DS is nice, but I personally would not buy one for me.  I would
 still buy the original D.



Re: Can you do this in digital?

2004-12-02 Thread Norman Baugher
Never.
Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
In BW 
If it is, are there techniques in place to allow later treatment of the data as though it were the original light,
making it monochrome, 
 




RE: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

2004-12-02 Thread Tom C
I don't have the *istDS, I have the *istD.  I haven't physically used a 
Nikon or Canon, so I can't draw   a conclusion.  What I believe however is 
this:

1. I'm not unsatisfied with the *ist D.  I'm very happy with it.  I don't 
expect a camera to exceed it's design or any other design.

2. Much of what I read in reviews is a splitting of hairs.  Reviewers and 
consequently consumers spend loads of time being concerned about parameters 
and performance that matter little in the real  day-to-day world of actually 
using the product.  When they do matter it's probably in a rare exceptional 
shooting situation, rather than the rule.  Often  a negative is offset by a 
positive in some other area and vice-versa.

3. With an investent in Pentax lenses, it doesn't really matter what a 
reviews says or how much a reviewer says one product is better than 
another... I'm don't have the money to dump my current system and start 
over, or invest in two systems.

That's my $.02.
Tom C.

From: Jon Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:05:30 +0100
http://photo.shopping.com/xPR-istDS~RD-163790294660
I read the above user review, and was a bit surprised at the comments on 
lag and slowness. From other things I have read about the *istDS, it is not 
so bad as this guy makes it sound. Does it feel as slow as this guy makes 
it sound? I wonder if the name biased him? (looking for an excuse to buy 
Nikon?) Now, I know that spec-wise and performance-wise (speed), the Nikon 
is better, but I didn't expect the Canon to out perform the Pentax, at 
least in a noticeable way. It's going to be a few months before I can get 
my hands on these beasts, but I'm dying to know. :-)
--
-Jon Glass
Krakow, Poland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





OT: Anyone notice this?

2004-12-02 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
With all this talk about wide angles and distortion ...

If you watch US pro football on CBS
the broadcast seems to be using a rectilinear lens these days.
The horizontal lines are just too straight and it's especially easy to see when 
they shoot from the end zone.
Sort of makes TV look like a video game.

BTW, rectilinear is a distortion, not the lack of it.  It's done to produce an 
effect which is not natural to either the human eye's vision characteristics or 
to normal lens designs.

Sincerely,

C. Brendemuehl
 





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Re: OT: Anyone notice this?

2004-12-02 Thread Christian


Collin Brendemuehl wrote on 12/2/2004, 2:29 PM:

  With all this talk about wide angles and distortion ...
 
  If you watch US pro football on CBS
  the broadcast seems to be using a rectilinear lens these days.
  The horizontal lines are just too straight and it's especially easy to
  see when they shoot from the end zone.
  Sort of makes TV look like a video game.
 
  BTW, rectilinear is a distortion, not the lack of it.  It's done to
  produce an effect which is not natural to either the human eye's
  vision characteristics or to normal lens designs.

Funny you should mention that.  My wife noticed (and she doesn't like 
American football, being an Aussie) and commented that it looked like a 
video game.

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Can you do this in digital?

2004-12-02 Thread Leon Altoff
On Thu,  2 Dec 2004 13:17:48 -0500, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

In BW we can affect contrast and gray-level representation of color with the 
use of filters.  Some on the camera, some on the enlarger.

What I'm thinking of is really a question about the raw format.  Is it 
truely raw, the simple captured sensor data.
If it is, are there techniques in place to allow later treatment of the data 
as though it were the original light,
making it monochrome, filtering the colors, and anything else
that I'd like to do on the front end.

In Photoshop under the Adjustments menu there is an option for Photo
filter.  You can add a variety of in built filters to the colour
picture and then desaturate.  This should give the effect of having
taken the image with the filter in the first place.  I haven't tried
it, but I would be interested in hearing from those who do a lot of
black and white as to how well it does work.


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon




Re: Can you do this in digital?

2004-12-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
It's terrible.  Desaturating an image is the WORST way to make a BW
conversion.

In addition, the filters used in PS CS are color correction filters, not
contrast filters to be used with BW.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Leon Altoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 In Photoshop under the Adjustments menu there is an option for Photo
 filter.  You can add a variety of in built filters to the colour
 picture and then desaturate.  This should give the effect of having
 taken the image with the filter in the first place.  I haven't tried
 it, but I would be interested in hearing from those who do a lot of
 black and white as to how well it does work.




Re: Can you do this in digital?

2004-12-02 Thread pnstenquist
I've also found that changing the temperature of the light in the RAW converter 
will affect the look af a subsequent BW conversion. You can also adjust 
individual color values, which again will afftect the way they convert given a 
specific channel distribution.
Paul


 On Thu,  2 Dec 2004 13:17:48 -0500, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
 
 In BW we can affect contrast and gray-level representation of color with 
 the 
 use of filters.  Some on the camera, some on the enlarger.
 
 What I'm thinking of is really a question about the raw format.  Is it 
 truely 
 raw, the simple captured sensor data.
 If it is, are there techniques in place to allow later treatment of the data 
 as 
 though it were the original light,
 making it monochrome, filtering the colors, and anything else
 that I'd like to do on the front end.
 
 In Photoshop under the Adjustments menu there is an option for Photo
 filter.  You can add a variety of in built filters to the colour
 picture and then desaturate.  This should give the effect of having
 taken the image with the filter in the first place.  I haven't tried
 it, but I would be interested in hearing from those who do a lot of
 black and white as to how well it does work.
 
 
  Leon
 
 http://www.bluering.org.au
 http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
 
 



Re: Random PUG Thoughts

2004-12-02 Thread mike wilson
Henri Toivonen wrote:
mike wilson wrote:
Fred Widall wrote:
Actually Frank and myself live at (approx) 43.5 N, 80.5 W
so we're actually closer to the Equator than the North Pole. A couple
of hours drive north of here on the way to a place called Tobermory,
there's a road sign marking the 45th parallel.
We do get lots of snow though :)

I'm almost precisely on 55degrees.  I think Jostein is on about 
59.something.  Paal is probably furthest North?

mike

I'm at 65 degrees, almost 66.
Who will win?
So your summer is about three days long.?
mike


Re: Random PUG Thoughts

2004-12-02 Thread Henri Toivonen
mike wilson wrote:
Henri Toivonen wrote:
mike wilson wrote:
Fred Widall wrote:
Actually Frank and myself live at (approx) 43.5 N, 80.5 W
so we're actually closer to the Equator than the North Pole. A couple
of hours drive north of here on the way to a place called Tobermory,
there's a road sign marking the 45th parallel.
We do get lots of snow though :)


I'm almost precisely on 55degrees.  I think Jostein is on about 
59.something.  Paal is probably furthest North?

mike

I'm at 65 degrees, almost 66.
Who will win?

So your summer is about three days long.?
mike
Something like that, yeah.
And daylight lasts for about 4h right now.
/Henri


Re: Random PUG Thoughts

2004-12-02 Thread Jostein

- Original Message - 
From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 So your summer is about three days long.?


LOL.
Three lng days...:-)

One of my dreams is to spend a week of holiday in December at Svalbard
(Spitsbergen)http://www.svalbard.com/infosvalbard.html to experience
the dark time.

Jostein



Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?

2004-12-02 Thread David Nelson
What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual?
Exactly my experience... however I've found that it's generally pretty 
accurate. It's just those few situations where it refuses to cooperate!

What does one do in this situation?
If you're using the inbuilt flash... cover part of it up or similar. If 
using an off-camera flash, point it partly away for example... pretty 
crude but hey, what's the review screen for (-:



Re: PESO: Sunset in Santa Monica

2004-12-02 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:56:45 -0500, Paul Stenquist
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From the park above the palisades just off Ocean and Broadway.
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2926176size=lg
 
 

Beautiful!

You know what I like?  I know it sounds silly, but I like the hair
on the trees on the left, and the texture of the bark of the two on
the right.  They give the shot an amount of realism that's needed.

I'm not sure how to properly explain it, but everything's so perfect
that it almost looks like something computer generated, or like
someone drew it.  Those two details take a bit of the perfection out,
to make it beautifully real.

Do I make sense?  (I fear not).

Anyway, gorgeous photo, Paul. 

thanks,
frank

-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



RE: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

2004-12-02 Thread Jens Bladt
I agree with you, Tom. I generally feel the same way.
However, most potential buyers do not own a Pentax lens collection to
influence their final choise of DSLR equipment.

IMO ther's two good resons to buy a Nikon ar a Canon:

1) The size of the camera system:
Since the dedicated Pentax DSLR system (available lenses etc.) is very
limited, not many people - other than those who already use Pentax SLR
gear - will buy into the *'stD and *ist DS system. Perhaps first time (D)SLR
users, who doesn't have a clue about what they may or may not need in a year
of two, will find the small and well designed bodies attractive and buy int
this system. This will apply to non professional photographers and perhaps a
few more.

2) Branding
I guess branding is very important for many DSLR buyers - the tests and
reviews are quite difficult to read, understand, believe, assess etc., which
means, that the easy thing to do is - forget about the reviews and simply
choose a DSLR brand that pro's use: Nikon and Canon.


The reasons for buying a Pentax are somehow less obvoius/conspicous, but
could be:

Small size, yet  very durable (as opposed to D70 and 300D?)
Ergonomic and pretty (?) design
Performance (if not outperforming or even matching the competition, still
very capable).
User friendly time-less interface
Good build quality and quality feel.
Overall image quality and system quality

Anyway, it will be intersting to see more DS-reviews and sales figures!

Jens Bladt


mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 2. december 2004 20:26
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: RE: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com


I don't have the *istDS, I have the *istD.  I haven't physically used a
Nikon or Canon, so I can't draw   a conclusion.  What I believe however is
this:

1. I'm not unsatisfied with the *ist D.  I'm very happy with it.  I don't
expect a camera to exceed it's design or any other design.

2. Much of what I read in reviews is a splitting of hairs.  Reviewers and
consequently consumers spend loads of time being concerned about parameters
and performance that matter little in the real  day-to-day world of actually
using the product.  When they do matter it's probably in a rare exceptional
shooting situation, rather than the rule.  Often  a negative is offset by a
positive in some other area and vice-versa.

3. With an investent in Pentax lenses, it doesn't really matter what a
reviews says or how much a reviewer says one product is better than
another... I'm don't have the money to dump my current system and start
over, or invest in two systems.

That's my $.02.

Tom C.



From: Jon Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:05:30 +0100

http://photo.shopping.com/xPR-istDS~RD-163790294660

I read the above user review, and was a bit surprised at the comments on
lag and slowness. From other things I have read about the *istDS, it is not
so bad as this guy makes it sound. Does it feel as slow as this guy makes
it sound? I wonder if the name biased him? (looking for an excuse to buy
Nikon?) Now, I know that spec-wise and performance-wise (speed), the Nikon
is better, but I didn't expect the Canon to out perform the Pentax, at
least in a noticeable way. It's going to be a few months before I can get
my hands on these beasts, but I'm dying to know. :-)
--
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Krakow, Poland
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Re: PESO - Moonrise over Assawoman Bay

2004-12-02 Thread Kenneth Waller
Great image! Well seen  captured.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: PESO - Moonrise over Assawoman Bay


 Yes, the name of the bay near Ocean City, Maryland is called Assawoman 
 Bay.  It's connected to Little Assawoman Bay in Delaware to the north 
 and empties into the Atlantic Ocean to the south.
 
 This shot is facing East towards Ocean City.
 
 http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=10pos=3
 
 shot with the D and an A 50/2, cropped and resized for the web.
 
 Comments always appreciated.
 
 -- 
 Christian
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 



Re: PESO - Moonrise over Assawoman Bay

2004-12-02 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:45:06 -0500, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, the name of the bay near Ocean City, Maryland is called Assawoman
 Bay.  It's connected to Little Assawoman Bay in Delaware to the north
 and empties into the Atlantic Ocean to the south.
 
 This shot is facing East towards Ocean City.
 
 http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=10pos=3
 
 shot with the D and an A 50/2, cropped and resized for the web.
 
 Comments always appreciated.
 

I'm glad that everyone else has loved it, because I won't feel so bad
trashing it.

g

Okay, I won't trash it, but I have to be honest, this doesn't do much
for me.  I think it's those apartment buildings or hotels or whatever
they are on the horizon.  To me, they're just so bland, they take away
from what might have been a nice shot.

I like the grassy marshie things in the foreground, and of course the
colours of the sky are inspiring.  As a couple of folks have already
mentioned, here's the exception that makes the rule:  the horizon in
the middle does indeed work.

But, those damned apartments!  vbg

Sorry, but I think it's just me, so no need to pay attention.

cheers,
frank


-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: enabled twice over!

2004-12-02 Thread Rob Studdert
On 2 Dec 2004 at 11:50, Mark Stringer wrote:

 I asked about using an A-16mm and Peter Ailing wrote and I tended to agree:
 
 I have no experience with this lens on the *ist-d but the 17mm fisheye shows
 enough distortion to look like a 24mm lens with extremely bad barrel 
 distortion.
 It's neither fish nor fowl. I wouldn't invest for that sole purpose. The lens
 itself has a great reputation for what it is and on a 35mm camera I'd love to
 have it, but not for the *ist-d. (Just my opinion but you may not mind barrel
 distortion).

For some reason I haven't seen the original message yet, it'll probably lob 
into my mail box next week some time. In any case I have the A16/2.8 and I'm on 
the disappointed side, I've owned this lens since the late eighties and it's 
definitely one of the best in its class, sharp great contrast, minimal CA. But 
on the *ist D it just looks like a really crap WA, one that I'd put on ebay 
really rapidly. Aside from the small advantage in absolute AOV when required I 
don't use it a great deal these days, its output just doesn't have the same 
appeal cropped.

Following are two recent pics :-) both FF and shot hand held with the A16/2.8 
at f2.8:

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP6170.jpg

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Next Pentax DSLR?

2004-12-02 Thread Joakim Johansson
Hi all, 

My name is Joakim Johansson and I'm a new member.

I have a question, witch perhaps have been discussed before, about the next
Pentax DSLR. Is it possible that Pentax release a new advanced model (a
upgrade of the *istD) during 2005, and what can we expect from it if that is
the case?

Kindly
Joakim Johansson   



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Re: Christmas Project

2004-12-02 Thread Pat Curran
Bob, Chris,
 Like I said to Fra, I am not looking for 'bird guide'
shots - more an unusual shot that will occur by chance in a 3.5fps burst.

Not sure which lens will give the best result but I will try the 15mm f3.5
first (with front element protection) and then the 28mm f2.8. I will post
any good shots so you can let me know what you think.

I intend to put the camera into a protective housing and allow the birds to
acclimatise to it during a trial period using cheap colour neg film. Serious
attempts at grabbing velvia trannies will be made on cold mornings when the
birds are hungry.

Pat

- Original Message -
From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Christmas Project


 Pat,
 Like Chris, I've used a long air release some 20 years ago on some
 Baltimore Orioles at the feeder.  I don't remember if I used a 50mm or
 135mm, but you can get really close and fill the frame with the feed
 tray  bird.  I've still got the shots around somewhere...
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:02:07 + (GMT), Chris Stoddart
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Pat,
 
  I tried something like this once about 20 years ago with an ME Super +
  winder, a 135/2.8 (not Pentax), tripod and a great long air release. The
  objective was to photograph siskins (Carduelis pinus, about the size of
a
  fat sparrow) on a feeder whilst I was hiding in the house.
 
  Although technically fine, the results weren't very pretty, maybe
because
  judging the 'decisive moment' from 30 feet away behind glass was bloody
  hard. Also, even with a 135mm the click of the shutter and/or whirr of
  the winder scared the birds away EVERY time, so it took about 2 hours to
  get 1/2 doz pictures. I think this also contributed to the birds looking
  a bit freaked out in the photos too :-) I'm afraid I haven't repeated
the
  experiment since.
 
  The 15mm might be a fun idea right up close (a 'birds-eye view', hah!),
  but I suspect it will be very hit and miss and you'll get a lot of waste
  shots. It may be possible to desensitize the birds to the camera by
  placing a similar box it the same position and piping 'click-whirr'
sounds
  through it. Other than that it's almost certainly going to scare them
off
  each shot.
 
  Good luck with it though and you'll have to let us see any good pics?
 
  Chris
 
 
 
 
  On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Pat Curran wrote:
 
   I plan an attempt at bird table photography during the holidays using
one of
   my Super A bodies / Motor Drive A and a 15mm f3.5 A lens.
  
   The plan is to bait a pre-focused area for song birds and then fire
the
   tripod mounted Super A via a newly acquired infrared trigger from the
   comfort of the kitchen window.
  
   Anyone any experience of this type of bird photography?
  
   My other lenses are a 50mm f1.4 A and a 200mm f4 A.  (- also ordered a
used
   28mm f2.8 A from KEH tonight so I will have a choice of four
lenses - ) Any
   suggestions on the best lens to use on this project or other tips
would be
   very much appreciated.
  
   Thanks,
  
   Pat
  
 
 






Re: Christmas Project

2004-12-02 Thread Pat Curran
Hi Fra,

 Oh, you are quite adventurous. Aren't you afraid of them - ehm -
 marking your 15mm as birds usually do?

Yes, this is a danger, but I do intend to use a protective housing for the
camera with a glass panel to protect the lens and some sort of heating
system to help preserve batteries.

 Good luck with it. You might try to build a soundproof box for it.
 Something like what is used on movie locations for stills and can
 completely silence even the LX's motordrive blazing at full 5 fps

I am not too concerned about the noise - I only intend to shoot for short
periods in frost conditions when the birds are hungry. I am not necessarily
looking for the 'bird guide' type of picture, more like the second or third
frame of the Motor Drive A's 3.5 fps burst and perhaps catch a whirl of
wings as the birds take flight after the first frame is fired. If the birds
are hungry enough they will soon return to the feeder.

Pat



Re: OT: attn Canadians Word Wars on CBC News World December 5 10!]

2004-12-02 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:18:05 -0500, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This just in -
 So you guys can get a glimpse of moi and a few of
 my old pics - I don't know
 if you get to see the un-bleeped version or the
 bleeped version up there
 but it is a fascinating and funny film - even if
 you don't play Scrabble.
 
 My favorite part, is, of course, when the run the
 credits :) - but in the TV
 version they go too fast

Hey, Ann,

Well, I've already seen it, during a private screening, with
extraneous commentary not heard on the video vbg.

No need to worry, CBC Newsworld won't bleep out a thing.  It will be
heard in all its coarse glory (that would be Marlon who does most of
the swearing, right? g).

Come to think of it, even our non-cable broadcast networks don't bleep
out much, at least not compared to what I see on US networks. 
Sometimes, we even get to see naughty bits on prime time.  The shock! 
The horror!

Mind you, we're going to legalize pot and have already legalized gay
marriage, so see what lack of censorship does?  g

Seriously, anyone who gets Newsworld should watch.  It's a fun doc.

cheers,
frank

-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PESO - Moonrise over Assawoman Bay

2004-12-02 Thread Cotty
On 2/12/04, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=10pos=3

shot with the D and an A 50/2, cropped and resized for the web.

Comments always appreciated.

Surreal. Almost like an airbrushed graphic. Beautiful.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO: 'Twas the day after Thanksgiving....

2004-12-02 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:02:08 -0500, Paul Stenquist
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And all through the house, my wife and daughters were dragging up boxes
 from the basement and working furiously to decorate the Christmas tree.
 That's somewhat of a tradition around here. My part of the job was to
 go out and buy a tree this morning. I opted for a long needle Scotch
 Pine this year. We haven't had one of those in many years. Different is
 fun. Anyway, I shot it with the DA 16-45. I dialed in about plus 1.5
 exposure compensation at f11, and positioned the camera on a cabinet.
 The exposure was around half a second I think. In any case, here it is.
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2912959size=lg
 
 

Nice tree!!  I thought it was artificial (and was going to chastise
you for not having a real tree g) until I re-read your post.

I gotta say, Paul, that's a lovely den the tree's in, too.  

You've captured all that warmth in the photograph.  Well done.

cheers,
frank


-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: Next Pentax DSLR?

2004-12-02 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: Joakim Johansson
Subject: Next Pentax DSLR?


Hi all,
My name is Joakim Johansson and I'm a new member.
I have a question, witch perhaps have been discussed before, about 
the next
Pentax DSLR. Is it possible that Pentax release a new advanced 
model (a
upgrade of the *istD) during 2005, and what can we expect from it 
if that is
the case?
I think the new camera is scheduled to be released at the next Ulan 
Bator show..

Seriously, they pretty much have to release a new model, if for no 
other reason than to maintain some sort of dignity in the 
marketplace.
My bet is nothing until the fall of 2005, similar body style to the 
istD, 8mp, more or less the same feature set as the istD, but with a 
larger buffer and faster frame rate.
Note, this may well be completely off base.

William Robb 




Re: PESO: Alexandra

2004-12-02 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 13:49:44 -0500, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Last week, we saw my friend's 2 1/2 month old baby for the first time. I'm
 still learning to shoot indoors, but this shot was one of the non-blurry
 ones. I corrected for the yellow cast in Capture One.
 
 http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/300338
 
 Amita
 

Haven't had much time to be online this week, it seems, so I'm playing
catch-up with PAW's and PESO's.

Amita, this is a lovely shot!  What an expressive face - an captured
beautifully, too.

I'm not a baby person, but your photo brought a smile to the face of
this still-too-young curmudgeon.  vbg

cheers,
frank


-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: OT: Anyone notice this?

2004-12-02 Thread frank theriault
On Thu,  2 Dec 2004 14:29:28 -0500, Collin Brendemuehl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 With all this talk about wide angles and distortion ...
 
 If you watch US pro football on CBS
 the broadcast seems to be using a rectilinear lens these days.
 The horizontal lines are just too straight and it's especially easy to see 
 when they shoot from the end zone.
 Sort of makes TV look like a video game.
 
 BTW, rectilinear is a distortion, not the lack of it.  It's done to produce 
 an effect which is not natural to either the human eye's vision 
 characteristics or to normal lens designs.
 


Yeah, I've noticed, and I don't like it.

For one thing, it makes the field look wy too short.  And, yes, I
thought the same thing as you:  looks like a video game.

Doesn't enhance the viewing experience, to my mind.  Oh well, no one
asked me.  Seems that it's just a gimmick along the lines of we're
doing it because we can, not because it's better or anything.

cheers,
frank


-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: Peso - ferry to argentia

2004-12-02 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 00:00:59 -0500, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just started putting some old black and whites up
 on photo net -
 here is one:
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2915425
 
 This was the ferry between Cape Breton Island
 (Sydney) and Argentia, Newfoundland.
 

Great lighting.

Great photo.

cheers,
frank


-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: Can you do this in digital?

2004-12-02 Thread Ryan Lee
Actually Collin, (I risk my life by mentioning) I've only recently been
getting to know the inbuilt b/w parameters in the 20D. You can shoot b/w RAW
if you like, and the camera also seems to be able to emulate several colour
filters (red, orange, green, blue etc.). I really like the results I've been
getting, and although I haven't made any b/w prints from my shots yet, I
suspect I'd have difficulty differentiating a b/w film print from the
digital shots I've taken.

Already having mentioned Canon, I don't think the following sample b/w cat
pictures will score me any points either:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2907358size=lg
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2907401size=lg

Taken as large fine jpegs then resized (no other adjustments). technical
details are in the 'details' table.

Some other b/w examples of the b/w 'filters' are on the dpreview review:
http://tinyurl.com/4v3bt

Cheers,
Ryan

- Original Message - 
From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:17 PM
Subject: Can you do this in digital?


 In BW we can affect contrast and gray-level representation of color with
the use of filters.  Some on the camera, some on the enlarger.

 What I'm thinking of is really a question about the raw format.  Is it
truely raw, the simple captured sensor data.
 If it is, are there techniques in place to allow later treatment of the
data as though it were the original light,
 making it monochrome, filtering the colors, and anything else
 that I'd like to do on the front end.

 After it's converted it's not as difficult.

 Is this even on the right track?

 What I'm looking for is the ability to treat digital like film.
 At least in terms of the sequence in handling the data.
 And promise to never pour fixer onto a lens.

 Sincerely,

 C. Brendemuehl





 
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Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?

2004-12-02 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: Don Sanderson 
Subject: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?


I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL
flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400.
I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject.
Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit.
At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly*
overexposed.
What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual?
What does one do in this situation?
Welcome to the wonderful world of TTL flash, Pentax style.
William Robb


Re: OT: Anyone notice this?

2004-12-02 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: Christian
Subject: Re: OT: Anyone notice this?


Funny you should mention that.  My wife noticed (and she doesn't 
like
American football, being an Aussie) and commented that it looked 
like a
video game.
I think that they are shooting at much higher shutter speeds these 
days, but NTSC lockes them into a frame rate. I have noticed for 
quite some times that sports broadcasts tend to have a rather 
unpleasant jumpiness about them.
It has pretty much destroyed any interest I may have had in televised 
sports, which wasn't all that much in the first place.

William Robb 




Re: E6 with JOBO

2004-12-02 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: David Zaninovic
Subject: Re: E6 with JOBO


You may be right... I just ordered D with the 16-45 for around 
$1350 after rebate.  It will pay for itself after one year in film
and processing savings.  I will also shoot more as I don't have to 
conserve film.
And as long as you are happy giving up slides
One of the things I find baffling is the concept that a digital image 
can replace a transparency.
They are a totally different beast, not only in technology, but also 
in concept.

I can understand a digital SLR replacing negative film, since the 
concept is similar, they use a different technology, but the end use 
is to make a print.

William Robb 




Re: My Sister and Niece

2004-12-02 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:19:56 -0800, Shel Belinkoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi ...
 
 I'm putting together a little family album and, since so many here have put
 up family snaps, I thought I'd put up one of my sister and my niece, taken
 a few years ago in full happy family snap mode using a Pentax IQ928 Zoom
 PS.
 
 http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/family/01.html
 
 
 Shel
 

I like it.

Two happy people, in a happy place.

Next time someone slags ya about showing homeless drug addicts, remind
them about this one, Shel!  LOL

Seriously, I love photos with smiling people.  Nice one.

cheers,
frank


-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PESO - Moonrise over Assawoman Bay

2004-12-02 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: Christian
Subject: PESO - Moonrise over Assawoman Bay


Yes, the name of the bay near Ocean City, Maryland is called 
Assawoman
Bay.  It's connected to Little Assawoman Bay in Delaware to the 
north
and empties into the Atlantic Ocean to the south.

Comments always appreciated.
I'm surprised that the PC Nazis haven't gotten hold of that name yet.
William Robb



Re: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

2004-12-02 Thread William Robb
I think you will find that most of what you read on photo.net is 
pretty biased towards Nikon/Canon.
About the only things readily believable in the article is that the 
guy is a slow learner and don't believe everything you read on the 
net.

William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: Jon Glass

Subject: *istDS Review on photo.shopping.com

http://photo.shopping.com/xPR-istDS~RD-163790294660
I read the above user review, and was a bit surprised at the 
comments on lag and slowness. From other things I have read about 
the *istDS, it is not so bad as this guy makes it sound. Does it 
feel as slow as this guy makes it sound? I wonder if the name 
biased him? (looking for an excuse to buy Nikon?) Now, I know that 
spec-wise and performance-wise (speed), the Nikon is better, but I 
didn't expect the Canon to out perform the Pentax, at least in a 
noticeable way. It's going to be a few months before I can get my 
hands on these beasts, but I'm dying to know. :-)




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