[PEN-L:8155] Re: Request: Summers Memo

1999-06-22 Thread Rob Schaap

Ah, Jim ... bard of ages ... what luscious lustrous voluptuous vituperative
vitriolic poetry!

I'm off to get this one framed!

You waxed thus:

>I wanted it as it so
>elegantly and succinctly sums up the essence, ugly nature behind the mask,
>twisted logic--reducio ad absurdum/nauseum, disgusting sycophancy, sick
>values, racism, imperialism and krypto-fascism inherent in the "logic",
>paradigm and "calculus" of the Strangelovian pukes among the  neoclassicals,
>"neo-liberal globalists" and academic whores who work and theory/policy pimp
>for the DemReps or RepDems.






[PEN-L:8158] California Green Party Assembly Representive requests help

1999-06-22 Thread Michael Perelman

Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a
question for us.  She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have
the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two
separate and distinct issues.  I believe that when planning our highways
in California we could incorporate mass transit. What is the economic
feasibility of providing genuine mass transit throughout California?
Should we, as legislators view these items as interrelated from an
economic standpoint?"

--

Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
fax 530-898-5901






[PEN-L:8160] Re: U New Mex Econ query

1999-06-22 Thread Mathew Forstater

Bill Waller the 'radical institutionalist' from Hobart and William Smith College, 
received his PhD from there, so
he might know. His e-mail is:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Robert Naiman wrote:

> Does anyone know if there are any progressive faculty in the Econ department at the 
>University of New Mexico?
>
> ---
> Robert Naiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Preamble Center
> 1737 21st NW
> Washington, DC 20009
> phone: 202-265-3263
> fax:   202-265-3647
> http://www.preamble.org/
> ---






[PEN-L:8161] Re: California Green Party Assembly Representiverequests help

1999-06-22 Thread Doug Henwood

Michael Perelman wrote:

>Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a
>question for us.  She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have
>the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two
>separate and distinct issues.  I believe that when planning our highways
>in California we could incorporate mass transit. What is the economic
>feasibility of providing genuine mass transit throughout California?
>Should we, as legislators view these items as interrelated from an
>economic standpoint?"

Isn't there like zero popular support for mass transit in California? How
can you push a policy, however humane and rational, that no one wants?

Doug






[PEN-L:8163] Re: Re: California Green Party AssemblyRepresentive requests help

1999-06-22 Thread Jim Devine

Michael Perelman wrote: >>Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative
from Cal. has a question for us.  She asked, about transit issues. She
quotes: "I have the impression that mass transit and highway planning are
treated as two separate and distinct issues.  I believe that when planning
our highways in California we could incorporate mass transit. What is the
economic feasibility of providing genuine mass transit throughout
California? Should we, as legislators view these items as interrelated from
an economic standpoint?"<<

Brad writes: >How willing is she to promote the tear-down of blocks of
bungalows in Berkeley and their replacement with five-story apartment
buildings, or to promote the tear-down of large houses in Palo Alto and
their replacement with townhouses? Mass transit seems to require much
higher densities than we have at present in California--even largely-urban
California, outside of a very few regions. And the currently chi-chi forms
of mass transit--light rail a la BART--appear, as best I can judge, to suck
down huge amounts of money that could be better spent on more busses and
bus lanes.<

This is a valid point. When Bock writes of "genuine mass transit throughout
California" it seems to imply inter-urban train lines (along with other
forms of mass transportation). If train lines are to be built for mass
transit purposes (as opposed to shipping suckers to Vegas), it makes sense
only where the population is _already_ very concentrated, as where they
already built BART and the SF trolley system. So inter-urban lines don't
seem relevant to the current agenda. The exception seems to be programs
like MetroLink, which use existing Amtrac tracks to move exurbanites to
work in the central city. 

(There is the building of some kind of inter-urban bullet train linking
major California cities in the works. If it can't be scuttled, it _should_
be coordinated with the highway program. It should be built in the median
strips of existing freeways and using existing railroad right-of-way.) 

But the quotation from Bock _also_ includes the possibility of _intra_urban
bus lines and bus lanes. These make a lot of sense in a place like Los
Angeles (where I live) which is spread out like crazy. In fact, it makes
much more sense than the subway system that they started building here,
which was gold-plated and thus extremely expensive, among other things
having new tubes dug through areas having dangerous natural gas deposits.
This subway was so costly that it drained funds from the existing bus
system, lowering the quality of its service (especially for the
working-class and "minority" communities) and spawning the Los Angeles Bus
Riders' Union. (cf. http://www.igc.org/lctr/ -- Bock should consult these
folks.) (San Jose seems to have built an effective light-rail system, but
repeating that success seems impossible in LA.)

As far as I am concerned, the building of bus lanes and investment in
busses is the way to go. Every freeway should have a bus lane, not just a
laughable car-pool lane. The stinky old diesel busses should be replaced by
the cleaner (propane-burning) ones that are also much more accessable to
the halt and the lame (as in Santa Monica and Culver City). 

As for "planning our highways in California," we shouldn't be building new
highways in California unless they're absolutely necessary: the planning
should be restricted to adding bus lanes to all of the existing urban
freeways. Freeways take up too much space, encourage pollution, and they
fill up with new traffic as soon as they're built. Because the rich folks
have more clout, the highways destroy poor, working-class, and minority
neighborhoods. (Gee, I wonder why they didn't continue the 2 Freeway
through Beverly Hills.) They destroy a lot of the housing that Brad worries
about. In fact, in LA, new freeways are currently completely off the
agenda, simply because there's no room for them and their cost has
sky-rocketed. (Our last freeway, the Century Freeway, also seems to have
been built on a shaky foundation, despite the large amount of money that
went into it. The very expensive project to add a second level to the 110
freeway has created one of the most concentrated strips of ugliness I've
seen, in addition to disrupting traffic for years.)

BTW, Brad, as the freeways become less and less free to traffic, the cities
of California are slowly becoming more and more dense. Commuting by car is
becoming more and more expensive in terms of time and aggravation. I see
rising demand for bus service and eventually train service in the future. 

Doug writes: >Isn't there like zero popular support for mass transit in
California? How can you push a policy, however humane and rational, that no
one wants?<

This assumes that we're all suburbanites and, more importantly, that all
mass transit is by rail. I'd say that there's a lot of public support for
busses in the urban areas. For some reason, there's a romantic attachment
to trains (and

[PEN-L:8165] Re: information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Doug Henwood

Jim Devine wrote:

>from SLATE magazine's "today's papers" round-up (by Scott Shuger):
>
>USA TODAY >leads with a Commerce Dept. study coming out today concluding
>that digital business companies are driving the nation's economic growth.
>The study states that computer and communication hardware, software, and
>services, although only accounting for 8 percent of the U.S. economy, have
>contributed more than a third of its growth since 1995. This sector, says
>the study, is, thanks to its rising quality and falling prices, controlling
>inflation too.<
>
>Lawrence Summers [or his ghostwriter] minimizes this stuff in the passage
>exerpted by Doug. But it's been several years, so maybe the "inforev" is
>kicking in?

Are they using "real" growth here? Given the big drop in hardware prices,
small nominal growth can turn into giant real growth when deflated (or, in
this case, inflated).

Doug






[PEN-L:8168] RE: Re: Request: Summers Memo

1999-06-22 Thread Craven, Jim



-Original Message-
From: Rob Schaap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 8:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:8155] Re: Request: Summers Memo


Ah, Jim ... bard of ages ... what luscious lustrous voluptuous vituperative
vitriolic poetry!

I'm off to get this one framed!

You waxed thus:

>I wanted it as it so
>elegantly and succinctly sums up the essence, ugly nature behind the mask,
>twisted logic--reducio ad absurdum/nauseum, disgusting sycophancy, sick
>values, racism, imperialism and krypto-fascism inherent in the "logic",
>paradigm and "calculus" of the Strangelovian pukes among the
neoclassicals,
>"neo-liberal globalists" and academic whores who work and theory/policy
pimp
>for the DemReps or RepDems.

Hi Rob,

Well for vitriolic "poetry" embodied in the "positivist and
"free-of-'normative'-considerations calculus" of "rationality and
optimality", I can't match: 

"I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the
lowest-wage country [or preferably Indian Reserve/Reservation] is impeccable
and we should face up to that."

I just loved the part about foregone earnings [opportunity costs] of people
who die prematurely or fall ill from toxic wastes are less in low-wage than
in high-wage countries and the poor have short lives anyway. or... Some
countries, particularly "...in Africa are vastly
under-polluted"...Consequently, the high air quality in these countries is
"inefficiently low compared to Los Angeles or Mexico City." and... Because
of their greater aesthetic sensitivity, rich people value clean air and
water more than the poor. and... Therefore, by the logic of free-market
economics, "human welfare" would be maximized by exporting the polluting
industries and toxic wastes of rich countries [and regions] to poor
countries [and regions].

This is basically from memory and I would appreciate someone publishing the
whole memo. It is so timely especially with this Strangelovian toady and
not-so-krypto racist, imperialist, fascist, and elitist up for Sec of
Treasury. It is, shall we say, s neoclassical, neo-liberal and s
revealing.

I have a captured SS document on the costs/revenues and benefits--per
prisoner--of genocide at Auschwitz (including uses of bones, ashes, hair,
gold teeth etc) It is a neoclassical's wet dream--"This marginalist stuff
really works"

Jim C






[PEN-L:8169] RE: Re: Request: Summers Memo

1999-06-22 Thread Craven, Jim

Thanks to Doug H, Robert Naiman and Lisa and Ian Murray for sending
materials. My class will thank you and benefit.

BTW, I heard, but do not know, that for some time Summers did not deny
having written that memo and then later claimed he did not write it but it
was a memo of understanding to what was discussed and then the story changed
again to "I didn't write it and had nothing to do with it and if I had had
this discussion (If I had a dog), it was only speculative and/or intended as
a little "dark humor." It then was left up to some entrepreneural journalist
(seeking access for scoops for exposure for name recognition for more access
for...) to write the new cover story.

Thanks again. Any cites for the full memo? I can't find it at the Economist
archive.

Jim C

-Original Message-
From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 6:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:8152] Re: Request: Summers Memo


Craven, Jim wrote:

>I would appreciate it if anyone who has the original and infamous "Summers
>Memo" at the World Bank would send it to me.

Here's the relevant excerpt. The memo was actually written, according to
John Cassidy in The New Yorker, by Lant Pritchett.

Doug



_Nuggets_

3. _"Dirty" industries_   Just between you and me, shouldn't the World Bank
be encouraging more migration of the dirty industries to the LDCs? I can
think of three reasons:

1) The measurement of the costs of health impairing pollution depends on
the foregone earnings from increased morbidity and mortality. From this
point of view a given amount of health Impairing pollution should be done
in the country with the lowest cost, which will be the country with the
lowest wages. I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic
waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to
that.

2) The costs of pollution are likely to be non-linear as the initial
Increments of pollution probably have very low cost. I've always thought
that underpopulated countries in Africa are vastly _under_-polluted, their
air quality is probably vastly inefficiently low compared to Los Angeles or
Mexico City. Only the lamentable facts that so much pollution is generated
by non-tradable industries (transport, electrical generation) and that the
unit
transport costs of solid waste are so high prevent world welfare enhancing
trade in air pollution and waste.

3) The demand for a clean environment for aesthetic and health reasons Is
likely to have very high income elasticity. The concern over an agent that
causes a one in a million change In the adds of prostrate [sic] cancer is
obviously going to be much higher in a country where people survive to got
prostrate cancer than in a country where under 5 mortality is 200 per
thousand. Also, much of the
concern over industrial atmospheric discharge is about visibility impairing
particulates. These discharges may have very little direct health impact.
Clearly trade in goods that embody aesthetic pollution concerns could be
welfare enhancing. While production is mobile the consumption of pretty air
is a non-tradable.

The problem with the arguments against all of these proposals for more
pollution in LDCs (intrinsic rights to certain goods, moral reasons, social
concerns, lack of adequate markets, etc.) could be turned around and used
more or less effectively against every Bank proposal for liberalization.






[PEN-L:8170] Re: Re: information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Jim Devine

Rod Hay wrote:
>The real question of "Info Revolution" is not wheither it generates an 
>accelerated growth rate for a few years, but wheither it changes the 
>relations of production, or social relations. I think there is some evidence 
>in favour but that it is inconclusive. And certainly is something that can 
>only be judged in a longer time frame.

I should stress that I don't see the InfoRev, if it is indeed happening, as
an unmixed blessing. If it raises labor productivity, it could simply boost
profits, causing a steep rise in the profit rate of the sort that hit the
US in the 1920s, which made the economy ripe for a fall. (The 1920s were a
period of a previous technical revolution, indicated by a "kink" in
labor-productivity data in about 1919, with productivity growing faster
afterwards, all the way into the 1960s.) 

Also, the change in social relations due to an InfoRev could easily be bad
for workers, given the current weakness of labor and thus its inability to
mold the rev. to serve its interest (at least in the US).

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html






[PEN-L:8171] Re: RE: Re: Request: Summers Memo

1999-06-22 Thread Doug Henwood

Craven, Jim wrote:

>Well for vitriolic "poetry" embodied in the "positivist and
>"free-of-'normative'-considerations calculus" of "rationality and
>optimality", I can't match:
>
>"I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the
>lowest-wage country [or preferably Indian Reserve/Reservation] is impeccable
>and we should face up to that."

The thing is that by the logic of neoclassical economics, Summers/Pritchett
is absolutely right. It's an indictment of the discipline, not his/their
personal evil. No one seems to have had the nerve to "face up to that."

Doug






[PEN-L:8174] RE: Re: RE: Re: Request: Summers Memo

1999-06-22 Thread Craven, Jim



-Original Message-
From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 10:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:8171] Re: RE: Re: Request: Summers Memo


Craven, Jim wrote:

>Well for vitriolic "poetry" embodied in the "positivist and
>"free-of-'normative'-considerations calculus" of "rationality and
>optimality", I can't match:
>
>"I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the
>lowest-wage country [or preferably Indian Reserve/Reservation] is
impeccable
>and we should face up to that."

The thing is that by the logic of neoclassical economics, Summers/Pritchett
is absolutely right. It's an indictment of the discipline, not his/their
personal evil. No one seems to have had the nerve to "face up to that."

Doug

Doug,

That was precisely my point: the inexorable syllogism and reductionist
logic" of the neoclassical/neo-liberal globalist/trickle-down paradigm. I
would have to slightly and ever-so-respectfully disagree that it is not a
reflection of their own personal evil in that, like Mein Kampf, many have
been exposed to and trained in the neoclassical box (paradigm) and never
bought it for a moment; we are responsible for the sides chosen and the
consequences that inexorably flow from the logic and "mens rea" from any
evils of the sides chosen--left or right.

In any case, the only "equalizations" that will occur under the neo-liberal
globalist and neoclassical "solutions" will be as Ross Perot put it: "That
giant sucking sound." (Wealth/power sucked "upward",
pollution/death/powerlessness trickling "downward"). The other giant sucking
sound comes from some academic toadies, lined up and assuming the "Lewinsky
position" as supplicants/applicants for their new positions as
theory/policy/data pimps of the DemReps or RepDems.

Jim C






[PEN-L:8176] RE: Re: RE: Re: Request: Summers Memo

1999-06-22 Thread Craven, Jim



-Original Message-
From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 10:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:8173] Re: RE: Re: Request: Summers Memo


Craven, Jim wrote:

>BTW, I heard, but do not know, that for some time Summers did not deny
>having written that memo and then later claimed he did not write it but it
>was a memo of understanding to what was discussed and then the story
changed
>again to "I didn't write it and had nothing to do with it and if I had had
>this discussion (If I had a dog), it was only speculative and/or intended
as
>a little "dark humor." It then was left up to some entrepreneural
journalist
>(seeking access for scoops for exposure for name recognition for more
access
>for...) to write the new cover story.

According to Cassidy's article in The New Yorker, Pritchett was deeply
grateful to Summers for taking the heat for the memo. Not that Summers has
paid too dearly for it. The irony is that Pritchett has done some
interesting work - e.g. a paper, "Divergence, Big Time," which argues that
far from converging on common levels of prosperity, First and Third World
countries are diverging, with the North-South gap widening, not narrowing,
as predicted by theory.

>Thanks again. Any cites for the full memo? I can't find it at the Economist
>archive.

I have a copy in a fading fax. It's pretty much unscannable, and I'm not
about to type it in.

Doug

Thanks again Doug, hope all is OK at LBO.

Jim






[PEN-L:8177] Re: Re: Re: California Green Party AssemblyRepresentiverequests help

1999-06-22 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski

At 11:50 AM 6/22/99 -0400, Henry Liu wrote:
>of automobile configuration.  Cars of course are air polluting.
>Yet, the advantages of the highway/auto system are not insubstantial.  It
>serves effectively the spread-out existing urban patterns, albeit because the
>pattern grew from it.
>The car provides the driver with considerable freedom of movement and timing.
>There is no need to wait for the next train which in off peak hours never
>comes.  The car is relatively more protective from urban crimes in empty
>stations.  It is imminently more comfortable than the best subway train.  In
>California, it is a common sight to see urban planners and economists who
drive
>their fancy cars to meetings to promote urban rail mass transit.
>What is needed is a coordinate balance between peak hour concentration
>transportation needs and non-peak freedom for each city according to its
>historical conditions and special characteristics.
>The cost efficiency issue is a red herring, at least on a national basis.  


Not so fast Henry!  If there is a cost to an activity but nobody calculates
it, does it still consitute a cost?


You have been quite critical about Western mentality - yet your own writing
displayes some of it worst characteristic - relativistic subjectivism.
Your cost/benefit calculation takes into account only monetary costs (fees
and subsidies) but ignores hidden costs.

Suburban sprawl, which you mention as a disadvantage for "linear" rail
transportation is a dirfect result autmobilie based transportation.
Without individual autos sprawl would not be possible without substantially
reducing mobility.  Yet sprawl poses a tremendous social and political cost
to a society - from the destruction of natural environment to social
fragmentation and th eproblems it causes: anomia, crime and and th eloss of
political control.  Oh yes, suburbs wre cited by late 19th and 20th century
social engineers and architects, such as  Le Corbusier, as the "final
solution" to the labor unrest problem.  

So the illusion of securty and comfort created by car is comprable to
"protection" provided by gangsters - a protection from adverse results of
their own existence.  Somehow, in Europe people do need to lock themsleves
in their car to "protect" themselves from "dangers" of public places - only
in amerikkka.

Anothe hidden cost is death toll.  Car-based transportation is much more
accident prone (by sheer law of probability) than rail-based transportation
- but it is the people who pay the ultimate cost - it is them who die in
accidents not the ratfucking urban planners.  Add to it the animals killed
on the roads - it would be very arrogant not to consider that factor.

Finally the quality of life -it is very amerikkkan to consider isolation
form other people car provide to be synonymous with freedom and comfort.  I
find it very depressing - i'd rather spend time in the company of people on
a train.  but hey, i was not born in this socially enginneered society (and
proud of it) so i am not a big fan of privacy and security.


FC - fuck cars (remember the unabomber)

wojtek






[PEN-L:8179] Request for clarification - Ruling class economic theory

1999-06-22 Thread Robert MacDiarmid

I would greatly appreciate it if someone could spend a few paragraphs to get
me on the way to understanding what the current ruling class economic
ideology is these days. I would hazard that Monetarism &  supply side
variants are relatively discredited, while on the other hand, one sees 'The
Return of Keynes' in the press every now & then (but is this anything more
than Japan's desperation and the idle hope of a few collaborationist labour
leaders).  Is there a governing theory or just micro-economics and finance
regulation?






[PEN-L:8181] Re: Re: Re: information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Peter Dorman

I have a theory about the info-rev and the changing structure of firms. 
I won't go into the reasons (too long), but the main points are:

1. Firms exist primarily to internalize and utilize nonprice
information.
2. Various administrative models have historically been used to carry
out these functions.
3. Modern information technology has made it possible to assemble
complex information in a distributed fashion.
4. Consequently firms are gravitating toward market models of internal
structure.
5. This is having profound (and mostly negative) effects on
workers--their pay, the jobs they do, the extent to which firms invest
in them.

It's a grand theory, with many elegant proofs but virtually no evidence.

Peter

Jim Devine wrote:
> 
> Rod Hay wrote:
> >The real question of "Info Revolution" is not wheither it generates an
> >accelerated growth rate for a few years, but wheither it changes the
> >relations of production, or social relations. I think there is some evidence
> >in favour but that it is inconclusive. And certainly is something that can
> >only be judged in a longer time frame.
> 
> I should stress that I don't see the InfoRev, if it is indeed happening, as
> an unmixed blessing. If it raises labor productivity, it could simply boost
> profits, causing a steep rise in the profit rate of the sort that hit the
> US in the 1920s, which made the economy ripe for a fall. (The 1920s were a
> period of a previous technical revolution, indicated by a "kink" in
> labor-productivity data in about 1919, with productivity growing faster
> afterwards, all the way into the 1960s.)
> 
> Also, the change in social relations due to an InfoRev could easily be bad
> for workers, given the current weakness of labor and thus its inability to
> mold the rev. to serve its interest (at least in the US).
> 
> Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
> http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html






[PEN-L:8184] Re: Re: California Green Party AssemblyRepresentive requests help

1999-06-22 Thread Jim Devine

Peter wrote:
>There is evidence that General Motors conspired to destroy dozens of
public transit systems in the 1930's and '40s, ...<

I don't know about other cities, but GM and others definitely conspired to
destroy the "Red Line" trolley system in Los Angeles. In fact, they
succeeded in doing so, making LA into Car Heaven (complete with the
Peterson Automobile Museum, a temple for worshipping cars). I have a map of
the old Red Line system on my office wall: where once there were trolleys,
there are now often freeways, often parallel to the Red Lines. 

Even though this conspiracy shows up in the film "who framed Roger
Rabbit?," we should not rely on this conspiracy theory alone. In addition,
the upper-class (and to a lesser extent, middle-class) whites who ran Los
Angeles in those days had given up on the Red Cars. The trolley system
needed a lot of investment in order to make up for normal wear and tear. In
addition, investment was needed to deal with the fact that the trolleys
conflicted with the cars at large number of crossings -- and the period
after World War II was an era when people were in love with their cars (if
they could afford them). In a period of pro-car and laissez-faire sentiment
among those with political influence, this investment was not done. 

It wasn't just the GM conspiracy. It was also that the politically-relevant
public rolled over and played dead. 

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html






[PEN-L:8185] RE: Request for clarification - Ruling class economic theory

1999-06-22 Thread Craven, Jim



-Original Message-
From: Robert MacDiarmid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 1:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:8179] Request for clarification - Ruling class economic
theory


I would greatly appreciate it if someone could spend a few paragraphs to get
me on the way to understanding what the current ruling class economic
ideology is these days. I would hazard that Monetarism &  supply side
variants are relatively discredited, while on the other hand, one sees 'The
Return of Keynes' in the press every now & then (but is this anything more
than Japan's desperation and the idle hope of a few collaborationist labour
leaders).  Is there a governing theory or just micro-economics and finance
regulation?

Response:

First, when you say "discredited", you have to indicate by whom and among
whom. For example, the current ruling class ideology of neo-liberal
globalism is basically supply-side/trickle down a bit warmed over and jazzed
up--only a bit. The basic thesis is the same: wealth job, income creators
(the rich) must be free to do their thing and the less constraints on them,
the greater the use of nominally "free" markets, the greater the
spread/trickle-down and ultimate equalization effects--nationally and
globally.

It would be a mistake to assume a totally homogeneous set of core
"principles" beyond capitalism is the most efficient freedom-promoting
system whose existence and expanded reproduction is to be assumed as given
along with its concomitant power structures, class relations, core
institutions (also dynamic), myths, traditions etc. There are variants of
Homo Economicus central and necessary to the ideological and social capital
structures of capitalism (greed, competition, egoism, individualism,
materialism, acquisitiveness, "rationality" are good, natural, eternal,
liberating, progressive etc). Racism, Sexism, Ageism etc are seen as
anecdotal issues not flowing from or affecting the core logic, imperatives
and dynamics of capitalism. The answer to any presumed "market failures" of
capitalism is more and "freer" markets and more capitalism and any market
failures are short-term bottlenecks and forms of friction that will be
eliminated by the inner self-correcting equalizing balancing and
equilibrating forces of markets. The US is the most efficient, decent,
moral, progressive, wealthy, freedom-loving, dynamic, nation/system on earth
and the answer to any problems of other countries is to become like the US
on terms dictated by the US through systems/structures like/favorable to and
for the US. Government intervention (except to socialize costs/risks for
increasingly concentrated/centralized profits and capital accumulation) is
the cause not the answer to any market failures. Naked despotism, the iron
fist underneath the velvet glove, can and must be used but used sparingly
and under cover of manipulated transcendent causes and "manufactured
consent" and "necessary illusions."

Just for openers.

Jim C
 






[PEN-L:8186] Re: Re: Re: California Green Party AssemblyRepresentiverequests help

1999-06-22 Thread Peter Dorman

The locus classicus for all this GM conspiracy stuff is the Snell Report
to the Senate Antitrust Committee from the mid 70s.  Rumor has it that
Bradford Snell has been working assiduously on a book-length version of
this study, and that it is due to come out sooner rather than later.

Peter

Jim Devine wrote:
> 
> Peter wrote:
> >There is evidence that General Motors conspired to destroy dozens of
> public transit systems in the 1930's and '40s, ...<
> 
> I don't know about other cities, but GM and others definitely conspired to
> destroy the "Red Line" trolley system in Los Angeles. In fact, they
> succeeded in doing so, making LA into Car Heaven (complete with the
> Peterson Automobile Museum, a temple for worshipping cars). I have a map of
> the old Red Line system on my office wall: where once there were trolleys,
> there are now often freeways, often parallel to the Red Lines.
> 
> Even though this conspiracy shows up in the film "who framed Roger
> Rabbit?," we should not rely on this conspiracy theory alone. In addition,
> the upper-class (and to a lesser extent, middle-class) whites who ran Los
> Angeles in those days had given up on the Red Cars. The trolley system
> needed a lot of investment in order to make up for normal wear and tear. In
> addition, investment was needed to deal with the fact that the trolleys
> conflicted with the cars at large number of crossings -- and the period
> after World War II was an era when people were in love with their cars (if
> they could afford them). In a period of pro-car and laissez-faire sentiment
> among those with political influence, this investment was not done.
> 
> It wasn't just the GM conspiracy. It was also that the politically-relevant
> public rolled over and played dead.
> 
> Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
> http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html






[PEN-L:8187] Progressive Response: Kosovo

1999-06-22 Thread Interhemispheric Resource Center


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The Progressive Response   22 June 1999   Vol. 3, No. 22
Editor: Martha Honey

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The Progressive Response (PR) is a weekly service of Foreign Policy 
in Focus (FPIF), a joint project of the Interhemispheric Resource Center 
and the Institute for Policy Studies. We encourage responses to the 
opinions expressed in PR. 

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Table of Contents 

*** THE U.S. ROLE IN THE BALKANS ***
by David Binder and Robert Hayden

*** WORDS AS PROPAGANDA ***
by Edward Herman

*** WHERE THE MEDIA WENT WRONG COVERING KOSOVO ***
by Jeff Cohen


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(Editor's Note: Over the last several months the Foreign Policy in Focus
project has solicited speakers and writers on the Kosovo war, all of whom
are critics of the U.S.-led NATO bombing, but not all of whom concur in
either their analysis of the history or the role and responsibility of the
various actors in the Balkans wars. In their thoughtful essay, David Binder
and Robert Hayden, two leading U.S. experts on the Balkans, present an
interpretation that many may see as slanted toward Serbia. As Ed Herman and
Jeff Cohen rightly note in their essays, in times of war lines get more
sharply drawn, language gets distorted, and the government's interpretation
of events is portrayed as the objective reality. 
Herman and Cohen spoke at a June 10 congressional forum on "The Rhetoric of
War" chaired by Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D/OH) and Rep. John Conyers (D/MI)
and facilitated by Foreign Policy In Focus. (Available at:
http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org/media/forums/congbrief05.html). Over
the next few weeks, we are certain to learn more details about the
atrocities by all forces involved in the Kosovo war, as well as about the
false and misleading stories planted in the media. The Foreign Policy in
Focus project will continue, through its public forums, briefs, and online
postings and discussion forums, to help educate and stimulate debate about
the U.S. role in the Balkans.) 

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*** THE U.S. ROLE IN THE BALKANS *** 
by David Binder and Robert Hayden 

The Balkans, a region popularly seen as synonymous with indigenous strife,
is where four imperial powers came to grief in the 20th century: the
Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian empires, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's
Germany. 

Now at the close of the century the United States, heading the NATO
military alliance, has inserted itself deeply into the Balkans, first in
Bosnia and then in Kosovo. The path leading to deepening American
involvement in the region was long and tortuous, starting with President
Wilson's sponsorship in World War I of a new entity to be called
Yugoslavia. After 1948 when Josip Broz Tito's Communist regime was expelled
from the Soviet Bloc, the United States supported the independence of
Yugoslavia, the sole Communist country to become something of an economic
and international political success during the cold war. A founder of the
non-aligned movement, Yugoslavia thrived on its independent position
between NATO and the Warsaw Pact during the cold war. When that era ended
Yugoslavia suffered the most cataclysmic collapse of any communist state. 

Major factors leading to the disintegration of Yugoslavia were domestic. In
the late 1980s, an economic crisis led to a political crisis in the
socialist state. Political leaders stirred nationalist, separatist,
passions to gain public support in the various republics. Slovenian and
Serbian politicians were the first to do so, promoting the ideas that the
Slovenes, on the one hand, and the Serbs, on the other, required
independence from the joint state, and that these nations should dominate
minorities within their nation-states. Serbia's Slobodan Milosevic was
among the politicians who used nationalism most aggressively, alarming
first the leaderships of other republics. 

In a context of rising tensions between the leaderships of Serbia on the
one hand and Croatia and Slovenia on the other, international political
actors contributed significantly to the subsequent civil wars either by
neglect or by inept intervention. When Slovenia and Croatia threatened
secession from the Yugoslav federation in 1990-91, the Bush Administration
opposed them officially yet also warned the federal government not to try
to keep the country together by force, a stance that only encouraged the
secessionists. The European Union (EU) was at first divided over the
Yugoslav dilemma, with Germany at first alone in encouraging the secession
of Croatia and Slovenia, then persuading the other members to support it
even though most other EU countries believed that this course would be
catastrophic, especially in

[PEN-L:8190] California Green Party Ques

1999-06-22 Thread Tim Stroshane

Interesting topic.  Like Henry Liu, I am also a planner, a
housing planner, but regionally, planners, designers, architects,
land use lawyers and a lot of forward looking environmental
thinkers of all hues of green are interested in trade-offs
between land use densities, urban design strategies (the manner
in which streets and land parcels are configured),
transportation, and housing development (including low-income
housing).  As Henry and Brad point out this is difficult, but it
is not impossible.

Brad, as I recall, mentions a bit heavy-handedly that it would
take "tearing down Berkeley bungalows" for dense apartment
buildings.   This is misleading as to the nature of creating
density.  Our draft General Plan is calling for major increases
in downtown housing density, economies of scale from which can be
used to internally subsidize affordable housing units.  It is not
necessary to raze whole neighborhoods to create the density
transit needs, in order to improve matters in Berkeley.  We have
a BART station downtown and about a half dozen major AC Transit
bus routes that converge on downtown.  The key to making density
work is to reduce parking for street-jamming cars in favor of
increasing people's reliance on transit.  The key to making
transit work is to limit auto parking while encouraging people to
live near where they shop and work.

The wild card in all of this is UC Berkeley (which is exempt from
local property taxes and zoning), which tore down a parking
structure three blocks from campus and wants to rebuild it
instead of putting in MORE HOUSING.  More housing would not only
help take pressure off the Berkeley housing market, it would take
pressure off the city's street system because more students could
live closer to campus, rather than commute in from surrounding
suburbs of Berkeley.

Doug, there are many people in California - north and south - who
are interested in transit; I know, rhetorically and statistically
the numbers are on your side, but the transportation snarls out
here are bad going to worse (and beyond).  Poll data out here
indicate that Bay Area residents want something done about
housing shortages and highway snarls.

My response to Ms. Bock's inquiry is to suggest she look into the
proposals coming out from groups that are advocating for "smart
growth."  These groups include Planners Network, California
Futures Network , Urban Habitat Program
(which produced a nice pair of volumes on regional inequities and
tax base revenue sharing, and on transportation investment
inequities), all of whom are interested in building a
constituency for land use and property/sales tax reform to
address sprawling suburban development (which DOES continue
almost unabated).  Even corporate Bay Area is getting interested
in a regional approach to dealing with "sustainable development"
of our cities here.

I would also commend to Ms. Bock Myron Orfield's excellent report
on the Bay Area (available from Urban Habitat) and his book
METROPOLITICS for the Lincoln Institute on Land Policy
(Cambridge, MA).

More on this in an article I'm writing for Terrain magazine of
the Berkeley Ecology Center, due out in August.






[PEN-L:8192] THE SOURCE AND REMEDY . . .

1999-06-22 Thread Tom Walker

.. . . OF THE NATIONAL DIFFICULTIES, DEDUCED FROM PRINCIPLES OF POLITICAL
ECONOMY, IN A LETTER TO LORD JOHN RUSSELL.

"The leanness that affects us, the objects of our misery, is an inventory to
particularise their abundance." -- Shakspeare

"How to solder, how to stop a leak--that now is the deep design of a
politician." -- Milton.

  London, February, 1821,

MY LORD,

I ADDRESS your Lordship because I believe you to be sincere and zealous in
your public opinions and conduct; and because I know you to be a young man,
and therefore less likely to have your understanding incrusted by
established and received theories.

I was confirmed in this intention by an Essay, in a work generally
attributed to your Lordship, wherein you acknowledge the little satisfaction
you have hitherto received from the contradictory opinions of writers on
this subject. They are indeed, my Lord, contradictory, not only the one to
the other, but to our best feelings and plainest sense. From all the works I
have read on the subject, the richest nations in the world are those where
the greatest revenue is or can be raised; as if the power of compelling or
inducing men to labour twice as much at the mills of Gaza for the enjoyment
of the Philistines, were proof of any thing but a tyranny or an ignorance
twice as powerful. 

How far my own opinions will be conclusive with your Lordship's, I dare not
hazard a conjecture; but as many of them are uncommon, they may, as Hume
says, "repay some cost to understand them." But, my Lord, if they are true,
they have most important consequences; I therefore earnestly intreat you not
to reject them without a patient and attentive examination. 

Here then, my Lord, after having, for the interest of our suffering country,
again respectfully solicited your attention throughout the progress of this
inquiry, I leave off personally addressing you.

In the consideration of this important question, we must advert to and
reason from principles; I shall proceed therefore immediately to lay down
such as are of immediate consequence to the argument and such as must, I
presume, if the wording be not cavilled at, be universally admitted as true.

First then, I hold, or rather I presume it is universally held, that LABOUR
IS THE SOURCE OF ALL WEALTH AND REVENUE. It signifies not how our revenue
may come to us, whether as interest of money-rent of houses, lands, mines,
quarries --pensions -- profits of trade -- salary -- tithes: -- come what
way it will, through what channel it will, it must be originally derived
from labour, either our own labour, or the labour of others. 

If then, this first principle be admitted, it follows conclusively that THE
WEALTH OF A NATION, as of an individual, CONSISTS IN ITS RESERVED LABOUR:
the stores either of money, machinery, manufactures, or produce, &c. &c.
that it may possess, being the evidences and representatives of that
reserved labour.

It is not my intention to clog this inquiry with an eternal reference to the
opinions of other men -- I shall hereafter neither controvert nor advert to
them; but it will be but honest to the uninitiated here to admit, that even
this simple proposition has been objected to, and to state the nature of the
objection, that he may be satisfied an endeavour to establish every
principle against all possible objection, would require a folio rather than
a letter. Thus it has been held by some "learned Thebans" to be erroneous,
because we omit the powerful agency of nature: now this is strictly true;
but then other and more "learned Thebans" come upon us with a distinction
between "value in use" and "value in exchange" and show it is only true of
"value in use;" this is still more accurate: but then it needs two more
chapters, and, I ask, might not one chapter say to the others "we three are
sophisticated?" Does not a plain man find his common interpretation of the
language was perfectly correct? 

At the same time that I shall be scrupulously studious of brevity, to be
clear and intelligible must be the first consideration; therefore I shall
myself refine a little even upon this second principle, and, for the
avoiding future explanation, add, that the WEALTH OF A NATION CONSISTS IN
ITS RESERVED SURPLUS LABOUR by which I mean the reserved labour beyond its
usual and necessary consumption; for without this distinction, which, though
too indefinite and inaccurate, may serve my purpose, the wealth of a nation
would vary with the seasons; before harvest and after harvest materially.
Now, however, that I have been stayed by this literal accuracy, I may add
that when I shall hereafter speak of the surplus labour of a man, I mean by
it, the representative of all the labour of the individual beyond what is
exclusively appropriated to the maintenance and enjoyment of himself and
family, But once for all, as I profess to neither to be learned nor critical
on this subject, I trust the reader will allow my langua

[PEN-L:8193] "Scandalize My Name"

1999-06-22 Thread Louis Proyect

So I'm sitting in the third row at the Brecht Forum last Thursday night
waiting for Michael Yates to begin his talk on his new book "Why Unions
Matter" and guess who I run into? None other than Red Jackman, the barfly
and Shachtmanite I haven't seen since 1975 from Club 55 down on Christopher
Street in the Village. The Club 55 was where Red held court. It was a
hangout for beatniks and 1950s radicals, especially those with connections
to the Trotskyist movement. I used to drink there with my friend Nelson,
who was editor of the Trotskyist newspaper The Militant, whose offices were
5 blocks away on the Hudson.

Red was a raconteur and a ne'er-do-well charmer, who was either being
thrown out of his apartment by a girlfriend or wife, or out of the Club 55
by the bartender. After Michael's talk, Red went up to him and told him how
much he appreciated it. He told a funny story about some Shachtmanites he
knew who had ended up in the International Department of the AFL-CIO
reporting to Jay Lovestone. When the Bolivian revolution broke out in 1953,
these two ended up down there like Rosenkrantz and Guildenstern trying to
promote AFL-CIO influence, even though they were still left-wingers. 

They ended up getting kidnapped by the miners, who took them back to their
clandestine headquarters. They plead their case with the miners, in fear of
their lives. Who could blame them for being scared, since the miners were
fierce-looking Quechuans who carried around dynamite sticks to throw at the
army. When the miners learned that the two Americans were Shachtmanites,
the mood changed completely. Drinks were served and a convivial debate
opened up which lasted through the night about the class nature of the
Soviet Union, with half the miners insisting in orthodox Trotskyist fashion
that it was a degenerated workers state and the other half defending
Shachtman's "third camp" position. It turned out that the miners union was
a Trotskyist stronghold.

I was so surprised to see that Red was still alive after a lifetime of
drinking that when I got home that evening I called Nelson to tell him the
news. He was a big fan of Red's. The conversation soon turned to "Odds
Against Tomorrow," as Nelson mentioned a New Yorker article by Skip Gates
which claimed that Belafonte named names. This was supposedly what got him
accepted as a guest on the Ed Sullivan show. I found this accusation
disturbing.

So when I returned to Lincoln Center last Saturday night for a showing of
"Scandalize my Name: Stories from the Blacklist," a documentary about
blacklisted African-Americans, I was gratified to discover that
Belafonte--one of the featured interviewees--had an answer for Gates, and
for Paul Robeson Jr., who had fed Gates this accusation. Here is
Belafonte's defense.

It was standard procedure for winners of Broadway's Tony Award to appear as
a guest on Ed Sullivan's show. Since Belafonte had won in 1958, he expected
to be called into Sullivan's office. What he didn't expect was that
Sullivan would greet him with a dossier put together by Red Channels, a
freelance blacklist outfit run by ex-FBI agents. Sullivan handed Belafonte
the folder and asked him to explain himself. Belafonte browsed through it
and told Sullivan, "Well, some things are true and some are false, but I am
not going to tell you which is which. The only thing I am interested in
defending is my record as an artist. If that's something you want to
discuss, I'll be happy to return." Later that week Belafonte got the news
that he was to be featured on the Sullivan show. According to Alexandra
Isles, the director of "Scandalize My Name" who spoke after the filming,
Paul Robeson Jr. surmised that Belafonte MUST have named names because that
would be the only explanation for the invite. I'll take Belafonte's word
that his talent is what chinched it.

The film also paid close attention to the career of Paul Robeson who was
the number one target of the witch-hunters. As another interviewee Ossie
Davis put it, it was a fight and in a fight one side often goes after the
biggest and most courageous person on the other side in order to break the
spirit of the whole group. That certainly defined Robeson.

Some of the other African-American actors were not so well-known as
Robeson, but their loss was just as calamitous in some ways. Canada Lee was
a major film star of the 1940s, who was one of the first African-American
actors to transcend roles like railway porters, chauffeurs or tramps. He
co-starred with Sidney Poitier in "Cry, the Beloved Country", a 1951 film
made in South Africa about the struggle against apartheid. Lee's experience
in South Africa was so galvanizing that when he was invited to speak at an
NAACP convention in the early 1950s, he practically had to be dragged off
the stage since his speech about South Africa went way beyond the allotted
time. As fellow blacklistee Richard O'Neal put it, Lee just wanted to rouse
everybody into action against apartheid. After being bla

[PEN-L:8195] Re: Re: information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Brad De Long

>>Lawrence Summers [or his ghostwriter] minimizes this stuff in the passage
>>exerpted by Doug. But it's been several years, so maybe the "inforev" is
>>kicking in?

I don't think so... That's Lant Pritchett in his
anti-conventional-wisdom-rant mode. He is quite eloquent--and he certainly
can make one think. But it has little relationship to what Summers believes
(and, probably, little relationship to what Pritchett believes).

>
>Are they using "real" growth here? Given the big drop in hardware prices,
>small nominal growth can turn into giant real growth when deflated (or, in
>this case, inflated).
>
>Doug

They are real numbers. But they are (or are supposed to be) chained to
minimize this problem.

Brad DeLong


-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
"Now 'in the long run' this [way of summarizing the quantity theory of
money] is probably true But this long run is a misleading guide to
current affairs. **In the long run** we are all dead.  Economists set
themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can
only tell us that when the storm is long past the ocean is flat again."

--J.M. Keynes
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
J. Bradford De Long; Professor of Economics, U.C. Berkeley;
Co-Editor, Journal of Economic Perspectives.
Dept. of Economics, U.C. Berkeley, #3880
Berkeley, CA 94720-3880
(510) 643-4027; (925) 283-2709 phones
(510) 642-6615; (925) 283-3897 faxes
http://econ161.berkeley.edu/
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>






[PEN-L:8197] Re: Re: Re:Information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Brad De Long

>Rod Hay wrote:
>
>>I don't doubt that these things are happening at least marginally, but does
>>this constitute a "revolution" similar in importance as the industrial
>>revolution in the 19th century or the corporate revolution in the 20th
>>century.
>
>Computers are over 50 years old now; they're no longer some new kid on the
>technological block. Also, radical and ceaseless technological change is as
>old as capitalism; to argue that there's some qualitatively new aspect to
>new technologies would require that you prove the rate of technical change
>has accelerated. Why is the tech revo all that much more revolutionary than
>the telegraph, the steamship, the telephone, or radio?
>
>Doug

Because it requires new forms of property relations? Just as the British
agricultural revolution could not be accomplished without the enclosure of
the common lands and the destruction of feudal property relations in the
countryside, and just as J.P. Morgan could not have created the Gilded Age
oligopolies without the creation of limited liability, so the  will
not  unless .

I'm just asking. I don't know the answer. Unlike many who post here, I do
not have the key to the riddle of history in my pocket...


Brad DeLong


-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
"Now 'in the long run' this [way of summarizing the quantity theory of
money] is probably true But this long run is a misleading guide to
current affairs. **In the long run** we are all dead.  Economists set
themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can
only tell us that when the storm is long past the ocean is flat again."

--J.M. Keynes
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
J. Bradford De Long; Professor of Economics, U.C. Berkeley;
Co-Editor, Journal of Economic Perspectives.
Dept. of Economics, U.C. Berkeley, #3880
Berkeley, CA 94720-3880
(510) 643-4027; (925) 283-2709 phones
(510) 642-6615; (925) 283-3897 faxes
http://econ161.berkeley.edu/
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>






[PEN-L:8199] Re: Re: California Green Party Assembly Representiverequests help

1999-06-22 Thread Eugene Coyle

Re "popular support":  Check out the film "Taken for a Ride" which details
the destruction of the transit systems around the country by GM, Firestone,
et. al.  How can popular support be developed for something which doesn't
exist.  Can we "vote with our dollars" when there isn't something to vote
for?
THE WAy highways are funded is perpetual -- more concrete, and nobody
gets to vote for that.  There IS tremendous and wide appeal for an end to
highway widening (pace, Jim Devine.)  there are many anti-freeway groups
around the country, blocking particular wideneings and new construction.

Doug Henwood wrote:

> Michael Perelman wrote:
>
> >Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a
> >question for us.  She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have
> >the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two
> >separate and distinct issues.  I believe that when planning our highways
> >in California we could incorporate mass transit. What is the economic
> >feasibility of providing genuine mass transit throughout California?
> >Should we, as legislators view these items as interrelated from an
> >economic standpoint?"
>
> Isn't there like zero popular support for mass transit in California? How
> can you push a policy, however humane and rational, that no one wants?
>
> Doug







[PEN-L:8200] Re: Re: Re: California Green Party Assembly Representiverequests help

1999-06-22 Thread Eugene Coyle



Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:

> 



>
>
> If memory serves there was group in SF Bay area advocating "planned
> congestion" and "market" (i.e. price) approach (increasing bridge tolls and
> parking fees) to make cars less attractive for commuters - a very clever
> way of using market ideology to fight the auto industry.
>
> wojtek

  There are two groups in the Bay Area pushing congestion pricing.  I don't
think it is that clever.  the groups are the Environmental Defense Fund and
the Union of Concerned Scientists  -- Berkeley office.  If we rely on
congestion pricing, who is it that is going to drive?  And what do the rest
do, without transit?

Gene Coyle






[PEN-L:8201] Re: Re: Re:Information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Peter Dorman

The information technology revolution is best compared to electricity, I
think.  Just as electricity permitted a truly distributed power supply,
so the computer does this to information.  It's hard to imagine the
radical reorganization of work and space in the twentieth century
without electricity.  I think that we will see similar effects from the
computer.  Very imperfectly, this is what the "postfordism" literature
has been trying to get at, at least in part.

Of course, the larger context is equally important -- I'm not arguing
for any sort of technological determinism.  But different technologies
also have qualitatively different effects on society.

Peter

ps: Electricity also had its failed utopias.  See Kropotkin's
interesting but false speculation in FIELDS, FACTORIES, AND WORKSHOPS OF
TOMORROW.

Doug Henwood wrote:
> 
> Computers are over 50 years old now; they're no longer some new kid on the
> technological block. Also, radical and ceaseless technological change is as
> old as capitalism; to argue that there's some qualitatively new aspect to
> new technologies would require that you prove the rate of technical change
> has accelerated. Why is the tech revo all that much more revolutionary than
> the telegraph, the steamship, the telephone, or radio?
> 
> Doug






[PEN-L:8205] Re: Re: Re: California Green Party Assembly Representiverequests help

1999-06-22 Thread Michael Perelman

Doug, there is a fear of giving up the car with a loathing for the traffic
jams.  The preferred solution is better roads which just create more traffic.

Because public transport is underfunded, most people associate public
transport with inefficiency, poverty and bad government.  But the disgust with
traffic grows daily and people do not want freeways too near their cul de
sacs.

> Doug Henwood wrote:
> >Isn't there like zero popular support for mass transit in California? How
> >can you push a policy, however humane and rational, that no one wants?

--

Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
fax 530-898-5901






[PEN-L:8207] The trouble with public education

1999-06-22 Thread Michael Perelman

This is from the guy that "proved" that more guns prevent crime.  Olin
spends its money well:

"Public Schooling, Indoctrination, and Totalitarianism"

  BY:  JOHN R. LOTT, JR.
  University of Chicago

Document:  Available from the SSRN Electronic Paper Collection:
   http://papers.ssrn.com/paper.taf?abstract_id=162791

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Paper ID:  University of Chicago Law School, John M. Olin Law &
   Economics Working Paper No. 64
Date:  December 1998

 Contact:  JOHN R. LOTT, JR.
   Email:  Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Postal:  University of Chicago
    East 60th Street
   Chicago, IL 60637  USA
   Phone:  (773)702-0424
 Fax:  (773)702-0730

Paper Requests:
 Contact Fred Royall, Program Administrator and Discussion Paper
 Coordinator, Olin Law and Economics Program, University of
 Chicago Law School,  E. 60th Street, Chicago, IL 60637.
 Phone:(773)702-0220. Fax:(773)702-0730.
 Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

ABSTRACT:
 Governments use public education and public ownership of schools
 and the media to control the information that their citizens
 receive. More totalitarian governments as well as those with
 larger wealth transfers make greater investments in publicly
 controlled information. This finding is borne out from cross
 sectional time-series evidence across countries, and is
 confirmed when specifically examining the recent fall of
 communism. My results reject the standard public good's view
 linking education and democracy, and I find evidence that public
 educational expenditures vary in similar ways to government
 ownership of television stations.


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[PEN-L:8210] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: California Green PartyAssemblyRepresentive requests help

1999-06-22 Thread Peter Dorman

That's in the Snell Report (70s) too.  GM was reimbursed to the tune of
$24M after WWII due to damage caused by the accidental allied bombing of
a GM-owned Luftwaffe plant.  Other GM plants in Germany turning out war
material were purposefully unscathed.  Lots of other nifty dirt.

Peter

Eugene Coyle wrote:
> 
> Snell is working on a book which includes the GM conspiracy -- he is interviewed
> on camera in the film I've mentioned.  But the book always seems to be coming
> out soon.  Sort of like the stuff I write.
> 
> I've heard (maybe here on PEN_L?) that the book now includes GM's
> connections with the Nazis.
> 
> Gene Coyle






[PEN-L:8215] Re: Re: Re: Re: California Green Party AssemblyRepresentive requests help

1999-06-22 Thread Brad De Long

>Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
>
>> 
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> If memory serves there was group in SF Bay area advocating "planned
>> congestion" and "market" (i.e. price) approach (increasing bridge tolls and
>> parking fees) to make cars less attractive for commuters - a very clever
>> way of using market ideology to fight the auto industry.
>>
>> wojtek
>
>  There are two groups in the Bay Area pushing congestion pricing.  I don't
>think it is that clever.  the groups are the Environmental Defense Fund and
>the Union of Concerned Scientists  -- Berkeley office.  If we rely on
>congestion pricing, who is it that is going to drive?  And what do the rest
>do, without transit?
>
>Gene Coyle

The congestion pricing fees *are* there to fund mass transit (or anything
else you want). Maybe you would be happier if you thought of it as a
progressive tax on a polluting activity...


Brad DeLong







[PEN-L:8211] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:Information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Peter Dorman

But what does "important" mean?  Much of the debate has been over
productivity: people are looking for a Verdoorn's Law for computers. 
But this may be the wrong issue.  The importance of computers could
depend on their imposed and induced impact on social and economic
organization, quite apart from productivity.  In any event, that was the
argument I was trying to make earlier (summarizing, really).

Peter

Doug Henwood wrote:
> 
> Peter Dorman wrote:
> 
> >The information technology revolution is best compared to electricity, I
> >think.  Just as electricity permitted a truly distributed power supply,
> >so the computer does this to information.  It's hard to imagine the
> >radical reorganization of work and space in the twentieth century
> >without electricity.  I think that we will see similar effects from the
> >computer.  Very imperfectly, this is what the "postfordism" literature
> >has been trying to get at, at least in part.
> >
> >Of course, the larger context is equally important -- I'm not arguing
> >for any sort of technological determinism.  But different technologies
> >also have qualitatively different effects on society.
> 
> No one is arguing that computers aren't really really important. The New
> Economy types are arguing, explicitly or not, that they're unprecedentedly
> important. And that case just isn't proved, to put it mildly.
> 
> Doug






[PEN-L:8204] Re: Re: Re: Re: California Green Party AssemblyRepresentiverequests help

1999-06-22 Thread Eugene Coyle


Snell is working on a book which includes the GM conspiracy -- he is interviewed
on camera in the film I've mentioned.  But the book always seems to be coming
out soon.  Sort of like the stuff I write.

I've heard (maybe here on PEN_L?) that the book now includes GM's
connections with the Nazis.

Gene Coyle

Peter Dorman wrote:

> The locus classicus for all this GM conspiracy stuff is the Snell Report
> to the Senate Antitrust Committee from the mid 70s.  Rumor has it that
> Bradford Snell has been working assiduously on a book-length version of
> this study, and that it is due to come out sooner rather than later.
>
> Peter
>
> Jim Devine wrote:
> >
> > Peter wrote:
> > >There is evidence that General Motors conspired to destroy dozens of
> > public transit systems in the 1930's and '40s, ...<
> >
> > I don't know about other cities, but GM and others definitely conspired to
> > destroy the "Red Line" trolley system in Los Angeles. In fact, they
> > succeeded in doing so, making LA into Car Heaven (complete with the
> > Peterson Automobile Museum, a temple for worshipping cars). I have a map of
> > the old Red Line system on my office wall: where once there were trolleys,
> > there are now often freeways, often parallel to the Red Lines.
> >
> > Even though this conspiracy shows up in the film "who framed Roger
> > Rabbit?," we should not rely on this conspiracy theory alone. In addition,
> > the upper-class (and to a lesser extent, middle-class) whites who ran Los
> > Angeles in those days had given up on the Red Cars. The trolley system
> > needed a lot of investment in order to make up for normal wear and tear. In
> > addition, investment was needed to deal with the fact that the trolleys
> > conflicted with the cars at large number of crossings -- and the period
> > after World War II was an era when people were in love with their cars (if
> > they could afford them). In a period of pro-car and laissez-faire sentiment
> > among those with political influence, this investment was not done.
> >
> > It wasn't just the GM conspiracy. It was also that the politically-relevant
> > public rolled over and played dead.
> >
> > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
> > http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html







[PEN-L:8203] Re: Re: Re: California Green Party AssemblyRepresentive requests help

1999-06-22 Thread Eugene Coyle

See the documentary -- Taken for A Ride -- shown on PBS a couple of years ago.

There is an analogy in the disappearance of transit to the desire on the
part of many in the electric de-regulation battle -- to "get off the grid" and
away from the big bad monopolies.  The grid is a community resource, as
transit was, and as the more affluent left transit for the private auto, so
too do many envision the affluent leaving the electric grid for private
generation.  Will the grid wither like transit?

Gene Coyle

Jim Devine wrote:

> Peter wrote:
> >There is evidence that General Motors conspired to destroy dozens of
> public transit systems in the 1930's and '40s, ...<
>
> I don't know about other cities, but GM and others definitely conspired to
> destroy the "Red Line" trolley system in Los Angeles. In fact, they
> succeeded in doing so, making LA into Car Heaven (complete with the
> Peterson Automobile Museum, a temple for worshipping cars). I have a map of
> the old Red Line system on my office wall: where once there were trolleys,
> there are now often freeways, often parallel to the Red Lines.
>
> Even though this conspiracy shows up in the film "who framed Roger
> Rabbit?," we should not rely on this conspiracy theory alone. In addition,
> the upper-class (and to a lesser extent, middle-class) whites who ran Los
> Angeles in those days had given up on the Red Cars. The trolley system
> needed a lot of investment in order to make up for normal wear and tear. In
> addition, investment was needed to deal with the fact that the trolleys
> conflicted with the cars at large number of crossings -- and the period
> after World War II was an era when people were in love with their cars (if
> they could afford them). In a period of pro-car and laissez-faire sentiment
> among those with political influence, this investment was not done.
>
> It wasn't just the GM conspiracy. It was also that the politically-relevant
> public rolled over and played dead.
>
> Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
> http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html







[PEN-L:8198] Re: Re: California Green Party Assembly Representiverequests help

1999-06-22 Thread Eugene Coyle

There is an organization in Washington, D. C., the Surface Transportation
Policy Project that is the source that Audie Bock should reach.  sorry, i
don't have a phone number.  The federal highway money is now tied to provide a
small bit for transit.  There are groups in the Bay Area that work on transit
issues, including Urban Habitat, located in the Presidio in San Francisco,
(415) 561-.  Cameron Yee is the person there.

I find the post by Brad De Long, below, astonishing.  First, don't
freeways knock down massive amounts of urban housing?  Including splitting
what were nice neighorhoods in Oakland and Berkeley?  And aren't new freeway
lanes now being promoted by the highway lobby as car pool and bus lanes -- but
are simply highway widening?  Ever read about how the South Bronx was
destroyed Brad?  Freeways.  Or do you think it was rent control that did
that?  Busses ARE mass transit, of course, and I'm glad to see you approve of
them.  There is a big move in LA to spend more on busses and less on the
subway --- but that's a fight within mass transit, not against it.

The Bay Area supported mass transit in the past -- and yes, rail -- at
much lower population densities than we now have.  Berkeley itself was a
streetcar community -- ever driven through the Solano tunnel?  Trains ran on
the Bay Bridge until at least the mid 1950s.  Old rail lines cover much of the
area, including communter lines in the East Bay and Marin county =-- where, we
are told, the current density can't support them.

And aren't freeways massively subsidized

Brad De Long wrote:

> >Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a
> >question for us.  She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have
> >the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two
> >separate and distinct issues.  I believe that when planning our highways
> >in California we could incorporate mass transit. What is the economic
> >feasibility of providing genuine mass transit throughout California?
> >Should we, as legislators view these items as interrelated from an
> >economic standpoint?"
> >
> >--
> >
> >Michael Perelman
> >Economics Department
> >California State University
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Chico, CA 95929
> >530-898-5321
> >fax 530-898-5901
>
> How willing is she to promote the tear-down of blocks of bungalows in
> Berkeley and their replacement with five-story apartment buildings, or to
> promote the tear-down of large houses in Palo Alto and their replacement
> with townhouses?
>
> Mass transit seems to require much higher densities than we have at present
> in California--even largely-urban California, outside of a very few
> regions. And the currently chi-chi forms of mass transit--light rail a la
> BART--appear, as best I can judge, to suck down huge amounts of money that
> could be better spent on more busses and bus lanes.
>
> But it's not my field. And land-use and transit planning is genuinely very
> hard...
>
> Brad DeLong
>
> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> "Now 'in the long run' this [way of summarizing the quantity theory of
> money] is probably true But this long run is a misleading guide to
> current affairs. **In the long run** we are all dead.  Economists set
> themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can
> only tell us that when the storm is long past the ocean is flat again."
>
> --J.M. Keynes
> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> J. Bradford De Long; Professor of Economics, U.C. Berkeley;
> Co-Editor, Journal of Economic Perspectives.
> Dept. of Economics, U.C. Berkeley, #3880
> Berkeley, CA 94720-3880
> (510) 643-4027; (925) 283-2709 phones
> (510) 642-6615; (925) 283-3897 faxes
> http://econ161.berkeley.edu/
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>







[PEN-L:8196] Re: Re:Information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Doug Henwood

Rod Hay wrote:

>I don't doubt that these things are happening at least marginally, but does
>this constitute a "revolution" similar in importance as the industrial
>revolution in the 19th century or the corporate revolution in the 20th
>century.

Computers are over 50 years old now; they're no longer some new kid on the
technological block. Also, radical and ceaseless technological change is as
old as capitalism; to argue that there's some qualitatively new aspect to
new technologies would require that you prove the rate of technical change
has accelerated. Why is the tech revo all that much more revolutionary than
the telegraph, the steamship, the telephone, or radio?

Doug






[PEN-L:8194] RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray

they also kick the ecological/economic costs of making the machines onto the
public...

http://www.svtc.org/

ian

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Devine
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 2:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PEN-L:8183] Re: Re: Re: Re: information revolution?
>
>
> At 02:06 PM 6/22/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >I have a theory about the info-rev and the changing structure of firms.
> >I won't go into the reasons (too long), but the main points are:
> >
> >1. Firms exist primarily to internalize and utilize nonprice
> >information.
>
> They also internalize other external benefits -- and they  profit by find
> ways of externalizing internal costs, as shown by recent shifts to
> management techniques relying more and more on worker turnover (as opposed
> to job security, tenure, etc.), so that workers bear more and more of the
> risk.
>
> Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
> http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html
>






[PEN-L:8191] Re: California Green Party Assembly Representive requests help

1999-06-22 Thread Michael Hoover

> Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a
> question for us.  She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have
> the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two
> separate and distinct issues.  I believe that when planning our highways
> in California we could incorporate mass transit. What is the economic
> feasibility of providing genuine mass transit throughout California?
> Should we, as legislators view these items as interrelated from an
> economic standpoint?"
> Michael Perelman

about 20% of US households do not own a car...about 33% of US 
population does not drive a car because of age, disability, and 
economic reasons...thus, a sizeable percentage of folks cannot
take advantage of mobility offered by autos, roads, and freeways.
...of course, the majority who can do so pollute the air and
congest existing roadways because of the imbalance between cars
and other modes of transit...

public transit 'renaissance' in 1970s resulted from growing
disenchantment with freeways, available federal subsidies, and
state/local government involvement..in general, inflated 
projections of benefits to flow from light rail, people movers, 
and rapid rail were not met...

possible future options include:

1) expanded bus service/can use existing streets, can be used in 
various ways (such as special lane on freeways), has lowest
capital costs of existing public transit...alleged disadvantages
include labor-intensiveness (each bus must have a driver and
drivers unionize) & high operating expenses for routes that do
not attract many passengers...

2) light rail systems/generally run on separate railways rather than
down middle of streets as old streetcars did...expensive to build 
and have yet to convince people to lessen auto use where
operational (partial exceptions have been San Diego's 36 mile 
'Tijuana Trolley' that carries almost 50,000 passengers per day & 
Portland's 15-mile system that carries about 25,000 per day)...

3) people movers/small cars carrying ten or so people running on 
fixed rail system, proponents claim that lines can be constructed 
on grid with numerous stations so that every resident of a city 
would be within walking distance...alleged advantages are lower
capital costs than other rail systems and (for those who dig
techno-fixes) computer-operation requiring no drivers, hence few
'labor problems'...Morgantown, WV and Detroit (is this correct
Charles Brown?) have such a system...

4) rapid transit/electric driven trains can move largest number of
people...works best in areas with large populations, high densities, 
lots of folks commuting into central business district (not well 
suited to much of multi-centered metropolis US where almost 50% of 
home to job commutes are suburb-to-suburb and only about 10% commute 
to jobs in CBD)...

5) multimodal bus rapid transit/buses on fixed guideways for speed
and passenger volume that can also operate as regular buses on
existing streets...much lower capital costs than rail...none
currently operating in US as far as I know, but variations of
system run in Australis, Brazil, England, & Germany (any lister
experiences with this model?)...

meanwhile, to the filling station...   Michael Hoover






[PEN-L:8189] Re: Request for clarification - Ruling classeconomic theory

1999-06-22 Thread Jim Devine

At 04:13 PM 6/22/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I would greatly appreciate it if someone could spend a few paragraphs to get
>me on the way to understanding what the current ruling class economic
>ideology is these days. I would hazard that Monetarism &  supply side
>variants are relatively discredited, while on the other hand, one sees 'The
>Return of Keynes' in the press every now & then (but is this anything more
>than Japan's desperation and the idle hope of a few collaborationist labour
>leaders).  Is there a governing theory or just micro-economics and finance
>regulation?
>
I'd say that the main ruling-class economic ideology is still free market
uber alles. However, there's been a little bit of retreat, allowing for
such things as capital controls (as in Chile or Malaysia). 

Paul Krugman, one of the more innovative of establishmentarian economic
pundits, sees a return to Depression economics, but favors monetary policy.
I'm pretty sure he used to have a copy of his FOREIGN RELATIONS (or is it
FOREIGN AFFAIRS?) article on this on his web site, but now all I can find
is links that help you buy his book from Amazon.com on it. If I remember
the article's point it was that Japan and East Asia were facing something
like a Keynesian liquidity trap. Needed, he says, is rapid increases in the
money supply, which would increase inflation and inflationary expectations,
and thus lower real interest rates, boosting spending and pulling the iron
out of the fire.

I was hoping that since he got all his ideas from me when we were roommates
in college, he'd send me a free copy... ;-) 

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html






[PEN-L:8188] Re:Information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Rod Hay

I don't doubt that these things are happening at least marginally, but does 
this constitute a "revolution" similar in importance as the industrial 
revolution in the 19th century or the corporate revolution in the 20th 
century. If information is of economic value and the new technology allows 
firms to control that information and thus alter the structure of the firm 
and the subsequent social relations, it is still not clear where that is 
going. Shifting the risk on to the workers is not new. Sometimes it is 
easier to do that others.

The problem is that if information is decentralised and readily accessable 
with the new technology what then is the basis of the firm. A monopoly on 
capital? a monopoly on information? Will Bill Gates and this peers succeed 
in controling the new technology or will it slip their grasps. Evidence can 
be marshalled for either tendency. Perhaps the development of Linux will 
prove to be a revolutionary act of significance. Perhaps not.

Peter Dorman wrote:
 >I have a theory about the info-rev and the changing structure of firms.
 >I won't go into the reasons (too long), but the main points are:
 >
 >1. Firms exist primarily to internalize and utilize nonprice
 >information.

Jim Devine wrote:
They also internalize other external benefits -- and they  profit by find
ways of externalizing internal costs, as shown by recent shifts to
management techniques relying more and more on worker turnover (as opposed
to job security, tenure, etc.), so that workers bear more and more of the
risk.






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[PEN-L:8183] Re: Re: Re: Re: information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Jim Devine

At 02:06 PM 6/22/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I have a theory about the info-rev and the changing structure of firms. 
>I won't go into the reasons (too long), but the main points are:
>
>1. Firms exist primarily to internalize and utilize nonprice
>information.

They also internalize other external benefits -- and they  profit by find
ways of externalizing internal costs, as shown by recent shifts to
management techniques relying more and more on worker turnover (as opposed
to job security, tenure, etc.), so that workers bear more and more of the
risk.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html






[PEN-L:8182] Re: Re: Re: Re: California Green PartyAssemblyRepresentiverequests help

1999-06-22 Thread Henry C.K. Liu

I am guilty as charged.  It is my Harvard education.  But I am talking about
California, not the Third World, so an American attitude is not entirely out of
place.
Your statement about Corbu was not accurate; he was very critical of suburban
sprawl and the American city.

 As for the cost issue, I think you misread me.  I was trying to debunk the common
myth that rail transit is more expensive than highways.
Most of the points you make are reasonable though not conclusive.  As I said in my
previous post: "There are of course many other issues and unintended consequences,
but this will suffice for now.
The issue is not rail vs cars, because each of us will use both at different times
if both are available."
And it is good that you raise some other issues. Other will raise some more.
I did suggest that, in the final analysis, transportaton is a political issue with
which you post seemed to agree.

Henry C.K. Liu

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:

> At 11:50 AM 6/22/99 -0400, Henry Liu wrote:
> >of automobile configuration.  Cars of course are air polluting.
> >Yet, the advantages of the highway/auto system are not insubstantial.  It
> >serves effectively the spread-out existing urban patterns, albeit because the
> >pattern grew from it.
> >The car provides the driver with considerable freedom of movement and timing.
> >There is no need to wait for the next train which in off peak hours never
> >comes.  The car is relatively more protective from urban crimes in empty
> >stations.  It is imminently more comfortable than the best subway train.  In
> >California, it is a common sight to see urban planners and economists who
> drive
> >their fancy cars to meetings to promote urban rail mass transit.
> >What is needed is a coordinate balance between peak hour concentration
> >transportation needs and non-peak freedom for each city according to its
> >historical conditions and special characteristics.
> >The cost efficiency issue is a red herring, at least on a national basis.
>
> Not so fast Henry!  If there is a cost to an activity but nobody calculates
> it, does it still consitute a cost?
>
> You have been quite critical about Western mentality - yet your own writing
> displayes some of it worst characteristic - relativistic subjectivism.
> Your cost/benefit calculation takes into account only monetary costs (fees
> and subsidies) but ignores hidden costs.
>
> Suburban sprawl, which you mention as a disadvantage for "linear" rail
> transportation is a dirfect result autmobilie based transportation.
> Without individual autos sprawl would not be possible without substantially
> reducing mobility.  Yet sprawl poses a tremendous social and political cost
> to a society - from the destruction of natural environment to social
> fragmentation and th eproblems it causes: anomia, crime and and th eloss of
> political control.  Oh yes, suburbs wre cited by late 19th and 20th century
> social engineers and architects, such as  Le Corbusier, as the "final
> solution" to the labor unrest problem.
>
> So the illusion of securty and comfort created by car is comprable to
> "protection" provided by gangsters - a protection from adverse results of
> their own existence.  Somehow, in Europe people do need to lock themsleves
> in their car to "protect" themselves from "dangers" of public places - only
> in amerikkka.
>
> Anothe hidden cost is death toll.  Car-based transportation is much more
> accident prone (by sheer law of probability) than rail-based transportation
> - but it is the people who pay the ultimate cost - it is them who die in
> accidents not the ratfucking urban planners.  Add to it the animals killed
> on the roads - it would be very arrogant not to consider that factor.
>
> Finally the quality of life -it is very amerikkkan to consider isolation
> form other people car provide to be synonymous with freedom and comfort.  I
> find it very depressing - i'd rather spend time in the company of people on
> a train.  but hey, i was not born in this socially enginneered society (and
> proud of it) so i am not a big fan of privacy and security.
>
> FC - fuck cars (remember the unabomber)
>
> wojtek






[PEN-L:8180] Re: California Green Party Assembly Representive requestshelp

1999-06-22 Thread Peter Dorman

This is a fascinating and important question.  I use the
transportation-housing-land use nexus as my main example of interaction
effects (nonconvexities) when I teach this stuff.  The main problem with
the "economic feasibility" criterion is that incremental changes in the
transportation system in the direction of mass transit may well be
uneconomic, yet large-scale changes, in conjunction with housing and
location policies, may be perfectly feasible.

Here is the relevant quote from "Economics in Perspective", which I
wrote for a course I used to teach at Michigan State:

"Here is a simplified example, which is not intended to represent the
full complexity of the issue.  Individuals might live predominantly in
dense urban areas in which systems of mass transit, such as busses and
trains, will best serve their needs.  Or most might live in spread-out,
more sparsely-populated suburbs for which the private automobile is the
vehicle of choice.  Each situation may have associated with it a unique
equilibrium which reflects the rational decisions of all individuals
concerned.  If housing is a little too decentralized in the first
scenario, some people living far from the transit lines may decide to
move back into the city, restoring equilibrium.  In the second scenario,
a family in the suburbs may decide it needs a second car, so that more
family members can have access to the places they need to get to.  That
too may represent movement toward equilibrium.  In both cases a system
of markets in transportation, housing, and other goods can serve as an
efficient mechanism for achieving outcomes that are better than any
others sharing the same general characteristics — the best allocation of
consumer dollars to housing and transportation in either instance.  But
what about the more fundamental question of which scenario we will
inhabit?  Since each scenario has its own market equilibrium, markets
are not sufficient to choose between them.  Some other mechanism must be
at work.  Most likely, it is historical inertia: we will live in the
urban/mass transit world if this is what we have inherited from the
past, or the suburban/automobile world if this is the initial reality. 
It is also possible that a public or private group may make the decision
for us, if they are powerful enough to impose their plan.  (There is
evidence that General Motors conspired to destroy dozens of public
transit systems in the 1930's and '40s, and no one would doubt that the
federal government made a concerted effort to promote the private
automobile and dispersed housing through its post-WWII subsidy
programs.)  The unavoidable conclusion is that the market, in this
example at least, fails to fulfill either its positive or its normative
role: it does not offer a sufficient explanation of the what, how, and
for whom of production, and it does not provide a mechanism for
achieving socially rational outcomes.  Note that this latter point holds
irrespective of which scenario you think conforms to social rationality.

"The culprit in the previous example, responsible for the multiplicity
of equilibria, is nonmarket interaction.  In fact, there are quite a few
candidates for Most Important Nonmarket Interaction in the Field of
Urban Development and Transportation.  A short list would include the
following: obligations (or the lack thereof) to remain close to family
members, which can affect and be affected by where people choose to
live; the role of neighborhood institutions, based on stable residential
patterns, in making cities more liveable and desirable; and, of course,
the effect that housing has on the demand for transit, along with the
effect of transportation choices on the demand for housing (the
possibility of complementarities).  Each of these enter separately into
individual market decisions about where to live and what to buy, but the
effects they have on one another are not accounted for in markets.  The
result is a situation in which individuals can exercise individual
rationality, but there can be no presumption that the combined outcome
is collectively rational."

Peter

Michael Perelman wrote:
> 
> Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a
> question for us.  She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have
> the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two
> separate and distinct issues.  I believe that when planning our highways
> in California we could incorporate mass transit. What is the economic
> feasibility of providing genuine mass transit throughout California?
> Should we, as legislators view these items as interrelated from an
> economic standpoint?"
> 
> --
> 
> Michael Perelman
> Economics Department
> California State University
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Chico, CA 95929
> 530-898-5321
> fax 530-898-5901






[PEN-L:8178] Mumia at Evergreen Graduation

1999-06-22 Thread Peter Bohmer



I wrote this for a forthcoming ZNET (www.znet.org) commentary and am posting
it on PEN-L, peter bohmer.
   
A Graduation Day to Remember

by Peter Bohmer
   
June 20, 1999
"Out of the many here assembled, it is the heart of he or she that I
seek who looks at a life of vapid materialism, of capitalist excess, and
finds it simply intolerable. It may be 100 of you, or 50, or even ten,
or even one of you who makes that choice. I am here to honor and applaud
that choice and to warn you that, though the suffering may indeed be great,
it is nothing to the joy of doing the right thing."
 Mumia Abu-Jamal, at the Evergreen State College, Olympia, Washington,
June 11, 1999
 
Mumia Abu-Jamal gave a memorable speech, recorded from Pennsylvania
death row, to 8000 attendees, including  more than 1200 graduating
students, at the Evergreen State College graduation on June 11, 1999. During
his 13 minute talk, you could have heard a pin drop, as almost everyone
listened intently to Mumia's articulate voice. Drawing on the history of
racist oppression in this country and the resistance to it,  Mumia
Abu-Jamal, in his taped address prepared for the graduating students, 
urged them to live their lives deliberately and join the revolutionary
struggle. He pointed out that "race" is a social construct but also a social
reality, and that whites had made and could and should make the choice
to fight against white supremacy and the evils of capitalism, and for the
liberation of all people. At the conclusion of his talk, a large majority
of the audience gave him a loud standing ovation that could be heard all
the way to his death row  cell and hopefully to the U.S. Supreme Court,
who will soon decide whether to consider the case. The attention paid by
the graduating Evergreen students, their friends and relatives to Mumia's
words, the interest in Mumia and the issues he raised, and the solidarity
expressed by the applause, was very moving.
The idea of Mumia being the graduation speaker had been put forward
in the fall of 1997. Although not initially successful, the idea did not
die. In the last year, a group of students, primarily seniors, with support
from a small group of faculty, staff and alumni organized  to promote
Mumia Abu-Jamal as the speaker for the 1999 graduation at the Evergreen
State College, a 4000 student state college in Olympia, Washington. Graduating
students have usually had the primary say in selecting the speaker. Since
it was announced in March, 1999 that Mumia was going to be a graduation
speaker a furious, although ultimately unsuccessful campaign was launched
to prevent this from happening.
Friday, June 11th , 1999 was a great day, especially for those who had
worked so hard to have Mumia Abu-Jamal's voice be heard. One result of
the organizing and outreach to gain support for Mumia speaking, is an increased
awareness at Evergreen about the unjust nature of his conviction. By hearing
him speak at graduation, there is also a more personal connection to Mumia
which will lead to increased efforts to gain a new trial and prevent his
execution. The national publicity will also help.  At the college
and in Olympia, it has led to real discussion about  the racism and
injustice in all aspects of the criminal justice system:  police brutality;
inadequate legal representation for most defendants; unjust arrests and
imprisonment of  political activists (especially people of color);
juries that are often not of ones peers; the imprisonment with  longer
sentences of almost two million people, disproportionately Black, Native
American and Latino; and the death penalty. The Philadelphia Fraternal
Order of Police, many other police associations and the "law and order"
crowd do not only want to execute Mumia, they also are committed to silencing
him. On June 11th, they failed.
 
GRADUATION DAY APPROACHES
Their campaign escalated in early June of this year. Less than a week
before the scheduled graduation, on June 5th  and June 6th, Maureen
Faulkner, the widow of Daniel Faulkner, the cop whom Mumia was convicted
of murdering in the deeply flawed 1982 trial, took out big ads in the local
newspaper, the Gannett owned "The Olympian" with  the headline,
"A Convicted Cop Killer,  Speaker at Evergreen State College Commencement?"
In the ad, she announced she would be attending the commencement with a
picture of her dead husband and asked people to walk out when Mumia's speech
began. The pressure to prevent Abu-Jamal from speaking was intense. Editorials
in "The Olympian" and other newspapers, repeatedly called him a cop killer; 
hundreds of letters and emails to the campus demanded he not be allowed
to speak; a Washington State legislator demanded the same; and  U.S.
Congressman Tom DeLay, the Republican House whip from Texas, called for
a moment of silence in the U.S. Congress on June 11th at 1 P.M. to protest
Mumia's part

[PEN-L:8175] Re: Re: California Green Party Assembly Representiverequests help

1999-06-22 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski

At 10:35 AM 6/22/99 -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
>Isn't there like zero popular support for mass transit in California? How
>can you push a policy, however humane and rational, that no one wants?


Au contraire, in 1990 after the "Big Quake" (Loma Prieta 1989) there was a
proposition on the referendum (I foreget the numnet but it must have been
in 120s) to increase funding for public transportation through levies on
car usage.  Auto industry opposed it tooth and nail and a st
ecounterbalance put their own "public transit alternative" - token funding
for public transit.  Guess what, bioth proposals passed.

I worked as a "consultant" for Santa Clara County Board of Surpervisors at
that time - and public support for public transit was quite substantial.

wojtek






[PEN-L:8173] Re: RE: Re: Request: Summers Memo

1999-06-22 Thread Doug Henwood

Craven, Jim wrote:

>BTW, I heard, but do not know, that for some time Summers did not deny
>having written that memo and then later claimed he did not write it but it
>was a memo of understanding to what was discussed and then the story changed
>again to "I didn't write it and had nothing to do with it and if I had had
>this discussion (If I had a dog), it was only speculative and/or intended as
>a little "dark humor." It then was left up to some entrepreneural journalist
>(seeking access for scoops for exposure for name recognition for more access
>for...) to write the new cover story.

According to Cassidy's article in The New Yorker, Pritchett was deeply
grateful to Summers for taking the heat for the memo. Not that Summers has
paid too dearly for it. The irony is that Pritchett has done some
interesting work - e.g. a paper, "Divergence, Big Time," which argues that
far from converging on common levels of prosperity, First and Third World
countries are diverging, with the North-South gap widening, not narrowing,
as predicted by theory.

>Thanks again. Any cites for the full memo? I can't find it at the Economist
>archive.

I have a copy in a fading fax. It's pretty much unscannable, and I'm not
about to type it in.

Doug






[PEN-L:8172] RE: Re: Re: information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Craven, Jim



-Original Message-
From: Jim Devine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 10:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:8170] Re: Re: information revolution?


Rod Hay wrote:
>The real question of "Info Revolution" is not wheither it generates an 
>accelerated growth rate for a few years, but wheither it changes the 
>relations of production, or social relations. I think there is some
evidence 
>in favour but that it is inconclusive. And certainly is something that can 
>only be judged in a longer time frame.

I should stress that I don't see the InfoRev, if it is indeed happening, as
an unmixed blessing. If it raises labor productivity, it could simply boost
profits, causing a steep rise in the profit rate of the sort that hit the
US in the 1920s, which made the economy ripe for a fall. (The 1920s were a
period of a previous technical revolution, indicated by a "kink" in
labor-productivity data in about 1919, with productivity growing faster
afterwards, all the way into the 1960s.) 

Also, the change in social relations due to an InfoRev could easily be bad
for workers, given the current weakness of labor and thus its inability to
mold the rev. to serve its interest (at least in the US).

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html

Plus, possible "info overload" and lost productivity due to scanning porn
sites, sending jokes etc while at work. You all know that my employer Clark
College (actually the State of Washington) has summarily ruled that my
missives (much more infrequent now) to pen-l are not related to my
professional duties, are a waste of State resources, constitute some form of
subversion and actually take me away from my real job and
productivity--preparing future human and social capital cogs [inputs] for
profitability and expanded reproduction of capital and capitalism.

Then there is the social capital argument. The info "revolution" exposes to
all sorts of information, debate, opinion etc that potentially undermine the
requisite "social capital" of capitalism--the requisite myths, traditions,
symbols, institutions, power relations/structures, mystifications, imperial
power projections/justifications, etc of expanded reproduction.

Jim C






[PEN-L:8167] Re: information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Rod Hay

The real question of "Info Revolution" is not wheither it generates an 
accelerated growth rate for a few years, but wheither it changes the 
relations of production, or social relations. I think there is some evidence 
in favour but that it is inconclusive. And certainly is something that can 
only be judged in a longer time frame.







Rod Hay
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The History of Economic Thought Archives
http://socserv2.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/index.html
Batoche Books
http://www.abebooks.com/home/BATOCHEBOOKS/




Original Message Follows
From: Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:8165] Re: information revolution?
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:00:41 -0400

Jim Devine wrote:

 >from SLATE magazine's "today's papers" round-up (by Scott Shuger):
 >
 >USA TODAY >leads with a Commerce Dept. study coming out today concluding
 >that digital business companies are driving the nation's economic growth.
 >The study states that computer and communication hardware, software, and
 >services, although only accounting for 8 percent of the U.S. economy, have
 >contributed more than a third of its growth since 1995. This sector, says
 >the study, is, thanks to its rising quality and falling prices, 
controlling
 >inflation too.<
 >
 >Lawrence Summers [or his ghostwriter] minimizes this stuff in the passage
 >exerpted by Doug. But it's been several years, so maybe the "inforev" is
 >kicking in?

Are they using "real" growth here? Given the big drop in hardware prices,
small nominal growth can turn into giant real growth when deflated (or, in
this case, inflated).

Doug



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[PEN-L:8166] Re: Re: California Green Party Assembly Representiverequests help

1999-06-22 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski

At 07:13 AM 6/22/99 -0700, Brad DeLong wrote:
>>Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a
>>question for us.  She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have
>>the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two
>>separate and distinct issues.  I believe that when planning our highways
>>in California we could incorporate mass transit. What is the economic
>>feasibility of providing genuine mass transit throughout California?
>>Should we, as legislators view these items as interrelated from an
>>economic standpoint?"
>>
>>--
>>
>>Michael Perelman
>>Economics Department
>>California State University
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Chico, CA 95929
>>530-898-5321
>>fax 530-898-5901
>
>How willing is she to promote the tear-down of blocks of bungalows in
>Berkeley and their replacement with five-story apartment buildings, or to
>promote the tear-down of large houses in Palo Alto and their replacement
>with townhouses?


It is not density per se - commuter rail can be coordinated with ground
transportation (buses) to overcome the low density problem.  The real
problem is the lack of political will.  Suburbanites are scared shit of
public transit because they think that it either (a) provides an easy
access for "inner city people" who cannot wait to come and rob their
suburban retreats (residential apartheid is precisely why these ratfuckers
moved to the burbs in the first place) or (b) reduce ther property values.  


That, btw, was the main reason BART was not extended to San Mateo county
and eventually Santa Clara County (there were talks about extending it via
the east sied of SF Bay a few years ago for that particular reason, but I
do not know what eventually came out of it). 

Add to it lobby of the auto industry that still calls the shots in
departments of transportation throughout the nation - and you do not need
any other explanation.  

btw, baltimore had always had a rather low density pattern of residence -
but it did have a rather decent rail system until the Detroit Gang
conspiracy dismantled it in 1940s and 1950s.

so if the greens are serius about re-organizing transportation they need to
start form organizing urban constituency that votes to counterbalance the
influence of suburban fatheads - something along the lines of Proposition
103 that equalized insurance rates between cities and burbs.  Ironically
Prop 103 might have had an adverse effect on public transportation, because
it made car cheaper for city dwellers.  

If memory serves there was group in SF Bay area advocating "planned
congestion" and "market" (i.e. price) approach (increasing bridge tolls and
parking fees) to make cars less attractive for commuters - a very clever
way of using market ideology to fight the auto industry.

wojtek
  






[PEN-L:8164] Re: Re: California Green Party AssemblyRepresentiverequests help

1999-06-22 Thread Henry C.K. Liu

Urban and Transportation planning is my field.  I was Chairman of the Graduate
Urban Design Program at UCLA from 1964-69, although I have since moved on to
international finance and economic policy analysis.

The artificial dichotomy between mass transit and highways is misleading.
Meaningful solutions cannot come from a poorly posed question.

All transportation that moves large numbers of people are mass transit. In
popular debate, what is meant is the pros and cons of railed transit and
auto/highway transit.

>From a technical point of view, railed transit is efficient in peak hour
situations, its passenger load being limited only by the number of cars allowed
by the length of loading platform and number of exits at stations.  Another
advantage is that it is relatively air pollution free. It main disadvantage is
its linear geometry which does not serve most American cities effectively.
Another disafavantage is that rial transit is generally considered only after
concetrated devlopment has occurred, thus increasing the cost of its
introduction through the need of land acquisition and complicated construction
conditions.  Pre-planned rail transit for new development are rare because of
foresight requires intensive front-end investment.
A fine book : Street Car Suburbs by Sam Warner, details the history of the
development of Boston prior to the auto age.

The highways/auto system is also a form of mass transit.  The difference is
that the individual basic unit is the car rather than the passenger.  Its
greatest disadvantage is its inability to handle concentration and peak hour
loads.  Each lane of highway can safely accommodate abut 400 vehicles flow per
hour at a speed of 50 mph.  Flow theory dictates that highest volume (800
vehicles/lane) will reduce speed to 18 mph and bottlenecks will result.  Its
secondary disadvantage is the need for parking. A parking sapce eats up 350 sf
including circulation a compared to a working atation per employee of 150 sf.
Already over 65% of of the urban land in Los Angeles is devoted to roads and
parking, partly because city blocks in Los Angeles are too small for the needs
of automobile configuration.  Cars of course are air polluting.
Yet, the advantages of the highway/auto system are not insubstantial.  It
serves effectively the spread-out existing urban patterns, albeit because the
pattern grew from it.
The car provides the driver with considerable freedom of movement and timing.
There is no need to wait for the next train which in off peak hours never
comes.  The car is relatively more protective from urban crimes in empty
stations.  It is imminently more comfortable than the best subway train.  In
California, it is a common sight to see urban planners and economists who drive
their fancy cars to meetings to promote urban rail mass transit.
What is needed is a coordinate balance between peak hour concentration
transportation needs and non-peak freedom for each city according to its
historical conditions and special characteristics.
The cost efficiency issue is a red herring, at least on a national basis.  Both
alternatives end up costing the same when subsidies and benefits are factored
in.  It is similar to the bogus issue of trying to increase the cost
effectiveness of bath rooms in houses.  The quickest way is to contract
diarrhea if quality of life is not an issue.  Rail transit has a hard time
breaking into the existing financial system because the system has a great deal
of invisible subsidies for highways, through gasoline taxes, etc.

The battle is highly political because aside from the technical issue of
efficiency, the real contention involves each alternative's impact on land
value, which is determined by access capacity.  In London, during the Labor
50's, there was a legislation to tax the surplus private land value created by
public improvements in transportation.  Mass rail transit subsidizes the down
town office buildings, particularly when private parking becomes a profit
center while public parking is shrinking.  The cost of reducing worker
commuting time to hard to get to locations is put on the general public rather
than the employer.  Employers should pay employees from the moment they leave
their front door to the moment they return, not just from the moment the arrive
at and leave the office.  Lawyers get paid that way by their clients, why
shouldn't office workers?
There are of course many other issues and unintended consequences, but this
will suffice for now.
The issue is not rail vs cars, because each of us will use both at different
times if both are available.  The issue if to get those who advocate user fee
to really pay up, such as urban land owners, car maunufacturers and owners.
Put high taxes on downtown parking and use the revenue on underdeveloped
economic ghettos.  Make rail mass transit free and pay the cost from real
estate taxes.

Henry C.K. Liu




Henry C.K. Liu



Brad De Long wrote:

> >Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly

[PEN-L:8162] information revolution?

1999-06-22 Thread Jim Devine

from SLATE magazine's "today's papers" round-up (by Scott Shuger):

USA TODAY >leads with a Commerce Dept. study coming out today concluding
that digital business companies are driving the nation's economic growth.
The study states that computer and communication hardware, software, and
services, although only accounting for 8 percent of the U.S. economy, have
contributed more than a third of its growth since 1995. This sector, says
the study, is, thanks to its rising quality and falling prices, controlling
inflation too.<

Lawrence Summers [or his ghostwriter] minimizes this stuff in the passage
exerpted by Doug. But it's been several years, so maybe the "inforev" is
kicking in?

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html






[PEN-L:8159] Re: California Green Party Assembly Representiverequests help

1999-06-22 Thread Brad De Long

>Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a
>question for us.  She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have
>the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two
>separate and distinct issues.  I believe that when planning our highways
>in California we could incorporate mass transit. What is the economic
>feasibility of providing genuine mass transit throughout California?
>Should we, as legislators view these items as interrelated from an
>economic standpoint?"
>
>--
>
>Michael Perelman
>Economics Department
>California State University
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Chico, CA 95929
>530-898-5321
>fax 530-898-5901

How willing is she to promote the tear-down of blocks of bungalows in
Berkeley and their replacement with five-story apartment buildings, or to
promote the tear-down of large houses in Palo Alto and their replacement
with townhouses?

Mass transit seems to require much higher densities than we have at present
in California--even largely-urban California, outside of a very few
regions. And the currently chi-chi forms of mass transit--light rail a la
BART--appear, as best I can judge, to suck down huge amounts of money that
could be better spent on more busses and bus lanes.

But it's not my field. And land-use and transit planning is genuinely very
hard...


Brad DeLong



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money] is probably true But this long run is a misleading guide to
current affairs. **In the long run** we are all dead.  Economists set
themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can
only tell us that when the storm is long past the ocean is flat again."

--J.M. Keynes
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[PEN-L:8157] URPE Summer Conference Info

1999-06-22 Thread Michael Perelman

This is from Susan Fleck


 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (202)606-5654 x 415



  --
  Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 11:11 PM

  Subject:  URPE Summer Conference

  Dear Friends,

  The Union for Radical Political Economics is planning
  its summer conference (Aug 21-24) this year.  The
  topic is 'Political Economy, the Environment, and
  Economic Crisis".  For more information (including
  downloadable registration form) on this conference,
  see the URPE website at: www.urpe.org.  URPE is known
  for its laid back, fun, and family friendly summer
  conferences.

  Deadlines for proposals for presentations or complete
  workshops (2-3 people) is June 22, 1999.
  Presentations need not be on the topic of the
  conference.  Presentations may be work in progress -
  although written papers are encouraged.  All
  presenters may submit their work to the Papers and
  Proceedings issue of the Review of Radical Political
  Economics.

   Please contact Susan Fleck at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  or evenings (301)270-1486, if you are interested in
  presenting.

  Hope to see you there.

  Susan Fleck



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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
fax 530-898-5901