[Pharo-dev] Smalltalkhub - REST API :) (a.k.a. Sorry, if I broke it...^^)
Hi! :) I am just trying out a tool thus querying the SmalltalkHub instance at smalltalkhub.com via its REST interface. Unfortunately, it just stopped responding when I tried to fetch all MC file listings in a query. It now gives a 502. Sorry for that. :-/ Best, Marcel P.S.: I only wanted to retrieve this list once having it cached locally. But the query did not finish even once... http://forum.world.st/file/n4709948/smalltalkhub-browser.png -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalkhub-REST-API-a-k-a-Sorry-if-I-broke-it-tp4709948.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
Hi Carla, this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? Cheers, Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.comwrote: Hi everyone! I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runnerhttp://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/marspackagebrowser-and-marstestrunner-fresh-new-examples-by-the-end-of-gsoc-2013/ . These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. I give more details in the screencasthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlBr42uaqxEand the blog posthttp://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/marspackagebrowser-and-marstestrunner-fresh-new-examples-by-the-end-of-gsoc-2013/. Any feedback is appreciated! Cheers, Carla. ___ Esug-list mailing list esug-l...@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Carla, this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? Cheers, Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runnerhttp://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/marspackagebrowser-and-marstestrunner-fresh-new-examples-by-the-end-of-gsoc-2013/ . These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. I give more details in the screencasthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlBr42uaqxEand the blog posthttp://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/marspackagebrowser-and-marstestrunner-fresh-new-examples-by-the-end-of-gsoc-2013/. Any feedback is appreciated! Cheers, Carla. ___ Esug-list mailing list esug-l...@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org
Re: [Pharo-dev] SHA1 changed ??
cool :) this was annoying me too :P On Sep 23, 2013, at 8:45 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11664/SHA1-hashStream-should-return-a-ByteArray-of-size-20 with slice On 13 Sep 2013, at 15:38, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: Bump. Max ? On 30 Aug 2013, at 13:52, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: On 30 Aug 2013, at 13:39, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of such a change... this is probably an error/side effect of something else. This is a side effect of the merging of the two nearly identical but duplicated SHA1 implementations in the image… https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/5469/SHA1-duplicated-implementations I want to wait for Max to respond/explain. But according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sha1 SHA-1 produces a 160-bit (20-byte) hash value. A SHA-1 hash value is typically expressed as a hexadecimal number, 40 digits long. The previous contract of returning a ByteArray of size 20 is more correct than an Integer, although both are mathematically equivalent. It is also very easy to send #hex to a ByteArray to get the most common human representation of such a hash. Esteban On Aug 29, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: Max, Why was the contract of SHA1hashStream: changed ? It used to return a ByteArray like other HashFunction subclasses, now it returns an Integer. I see that you also changed the tests with this assumption. MD5 hashMessage: 'foo'. #[172 189 24 219 76 194 248 92 237 239 101 79 204 196 164 216] SHA1 hashMessage: 'foo'. 68123873083688143418383284816464454849230703155 It broke Zinc-WebSockets in 3.0 and now I will have to do an ugly hack to make the code work on multiple Pharo versions. Can you please explain ? Sven
Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalkhub - REST API :) (a.k.a. Sorry, if I broke it...^^)
Yes, We already found out that putting load on smalltalkhub causes a crash. Please take a look at deprecation finder at smalltalkhub. If you want a list of all projects (and all calls this project does) we can provide this in a fuel file. Regards, Stephan and Diego On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Marcel Taeumel wrote: Hi! :) I am just trying out a tool thus querying the SmalltalkHub instance at smalltalkhub.com via its REST interface. Unfortunately, it just stopped responding when I tried to fetch all MC file listings in a query. It now gives a 502. Sorry for that. :-/ Best, Marcel P.S.: I only wanted to retrieve this list once having it cached locally. But the query did not finish even once... http://forum.world.st/file/n4709948/smalltalkhub-browser.png -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalkhub-REST-API-a-k-a-Sorry-if-I-broke-it-tp4709948.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalkhub - REST API :) (a.k.a. Sorry, if I broke it...^^)
So My Dear Lords whats the punishment for breaking smalltalkhub ? I propose 100 bug fixes as punishment of this man reckless behavior :D I was about to open a thread about sthub 502. Definetly a fun way to kill smalltalk hub. DiegoLont wrote Yes, We already found out that putting load on smalltalkhub causes a crash. Please take a look at deprecation finder at smalltalkhub. If you want a list of all projects (and all calls this project does) we can provide this in a fuel file. Regards, Stephan and Diego On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Marcel Taeumel wrote: Hi! :) I am just trying out a tool thus querying the SmalltalkHub instance at smalltalkhub.com via its REST interface. Unfortunately, it just stopped responding when I tried to fetch all MC file listings in a query. It now gives a 502. Sorry for that. :-/ Best, Marcel P.S.: I only wanted to retrieve this list once having it cached locally. But the query did not finish even once... lt;http://forum.world.st/file/n4709948/smalltalkhub-browser.pnggt; -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalkhub-REST-API-a-k-a-Sorry-if-I-broke-it-tp4709948.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalkhub-REST-API-a-k-a-Sorry-if-I-broke-it-tp4709948p4709967.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalkhub - REST API :) (a.k.a. Sorry, if I broke it...^^)
Thank you, my goal is to find the big ones to take a closer look at. Thus, next steps would be to fetch the latest MCZ of all projects and then analyze their contents. :) Btw: Maybe it should not be possible to fetch a user's email address via /hub/users/username considering privacy issues. Best, Marcel -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalkhub-REST-API-a-k-a-Sorry-if-I-broke-it-tp4709948p4709968.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
[Pharo-dev] Asking for commit rights to pharo 3 inbox
Since it seems I will be submitting more slices, any chance of granting me committing right so I can easier move my slices from computer to computer and you avoid downloading manually my slices :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Asking-for-commit-rights-to-pharo-3-inbox-tp4709969.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
You did an awesome job, I had not the chance to try your code. I assume it on smalltalkhub but it is down , but will try your code ASAP on my UBUNTU. But from the videos its clear you have done very good job, thank you for contributing to pharo . google code link to a non existent website. Where exactly one can get the code ? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709970.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalkhub - REST API :) (a.k.a. Sorry, if I broke it...^^)
Hi Marcel, my goal is to find the big ones to take a closer look at. Thus, next steps would be to fetch the latest MCZ of all projects and then analyze their contents. :) That is in DeprecationFinder. (load in a Moose 4.8 after loading NeoJSon). Current analysis is just getting the invocations from a MooseMonticelloImporter for the latest packageversion. It needs to be extended to also walk the team projects. Further steps would be to make it incremental and have a fuel file as artefact in a Jenkins build. Stephan
Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalkhub - REST API :) (a.k.a. Sorry, if I broke it...^^)
And please don't all at the same time download and run the DeprecationFinder code, until Nicolas tells you he wants to do a load test! Stephan
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error error: name not found unix . How I load it ? I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
[Pharo-dev] [regression reporter]regression occurred
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2.1-Validation/label=win/526/ 1 regressions found. Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testGetPharoVersion
Re: [Pharo-dev] slow RPackageOrganizer packageNamed:
I suppose is because of the extension checks... so yes, we can restrain his use :) On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:20 AM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: @Esteban what is the reason we have to do a case-ignored check for looking up a package in #packageNamed:? seems unnecessary slow to me :/, maybe we can add a #packageNamedIgoreCase: ?
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
Hi! For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do: http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/ It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did, but if something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post. Thanks for the comments, everybody. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error error: name not found unix . How I load it ? I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo Wiki cleanup
I will have a look. Stef On Sep 24, 2013, at 6:00 AM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome Page:https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?W41 Documentation: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?W69 Changelog: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?W2 Wishlist:https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?W50 Responsibilities:https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?W66
Re: [Pharo-dev] Asking for commit rights to pharo 3 inbox
done On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:26 AM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Since it seems I will be submitting more slices, any chance of granting me committing right so I can easier move my slices from computer to computer and you avoid downloading manually my slices :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Asking-for-commit-rights-to-pharo-3-inbox-tp4709969.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
oops... I updated the page... but most probably I should remove it. when ready to use filetree, I will move Mars to github or bitbucket :) Esteban On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:31 AM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: You did an awesome job, I had not the chance to try your code. I assume it on smalltalkhub but it is down , but will try your code ASAP on my UBUNTU. But from the videos its clear you have done very good job, thank you for contributing to pharo . google code link to a non existent website. Where exactly one can get the code ? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709970.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] Asking for commit rights to pharo 3 inbox
thank you Esteban :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Asking-for-commit-rights-to-pharo-3-inbox-tp4709969p4710002.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
yeah it fails with error after executing : Gofer it url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main'; package: 'ConfigurationOfMars'; load. ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'. Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary here is the stack trace http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN Carla F. Griggio wrote Hi! For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do: http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/ It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did, but if something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post. Thanks for the comments, everybody. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error error: name not found unix . How I load it ? I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710003.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo Wiki cleanup
I dont know if its my stupidity or my lack of pharo understanding but when I go to wishlist and check he first item,click the bug link and I ignore the fact that all comments are badly formated from google code page so I go to the original issue page, I read and re read it and still have no clue what on earth they are talking about :D Its something to do with nested comments and some sort of convenience, after that I lost it ... Overall looks ok, I would like abit more explanation per subject cause I don't think I can make sense of exactly what is wanted. Keep on rocking ;) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Wiki-cleanup-tp4709942p4710004.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
woaaa, i love it. Can the potion have the colour of the tests? (all green= green potion)) :3 does the potion get filled meanwhile tests are running? (i know all what i ask for is not needed :P ) 2013/9/24 Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com oops... I updated the page... but most probably I should remove it. when ready to use filetree, I will move Mars to github or bitbucket :) Esteban On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:31 AM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: You did an awesome job, I had not the chance to try your code. I assume it on smalltalkhub but it is down , but will try your code ASAP on my UBUNTU. But from the videos its clear you have done very good job, thank you for contributing to pharo . google code link to a non existent website. Where exactly one can get the code ? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709970.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
(of course i didnt saw the video because my beloved proxy :) ) 2013/9/24 Santiago Bragagnolo santiagobragagn...@gmail.com woaaa, i love it. Can the potion have the colour of the tests? (all green= green potion)) :3 does the potion get filled meanwhile tests are running? (i know all what i ask for is not needed :P ) 2013/9/24 Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com oops... I updated the page... but most probably I should remove it. when ready to use filetree, I will move Mars to github or bitbucket :) Esteban On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:31 AM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: You did an awesome job, I had not the chance to try your code. I assume it on smalltalkhub but it is down , but will try your code ASAP on my UBUNTU. But from the videos its clear you have done very good job, thank you for contributing to pharo . google code link to a non existent website. Where exactly one can get the code ? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709970.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:33 PM, blake dsblakewat...@gmail.com wrote: Very nice. Works on Mint, too. Could use more feedback, maybe: It's not always clear when it's doing something when you create an image. I know :-(. If you have an idea, please tell me. Also, I would appreciate some help. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. Winston Churchill
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
Same error here on ArchLinux. Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: yeah it fails with error after executing : Gofer it url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main'; package: 'ConfigurationOfMars'; load. ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'. Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary here is the stack trace http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN Carla F. Griggio wrote Hi! For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do: http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/ It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did, but if something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post. Thanks for the comments, everybody. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon thekilon@.co wrote: ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error error: name not found unix . How I load it ? I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710003.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
Santiago: yes! Germán said the same thing :P It would be awesome. Maybe filling the potion is more difficult, but at least I can change the color :P Kilon and laurent: I will try it in a new image and get back to you, thanks for trying it (or trying to try it :P). On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Same error here on ArchLinux. Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: yeah it fails with error after executing : Gofer it url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main'; package: 'ConfigurationOfMars'; load. ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'. Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary here is the stack trace http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN Carla F. Griggio wrote Hi! For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do: http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/ It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did, but if something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post. Thanks for the comments, everybody. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon thekilon@.co wrote: ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error error: name not found unix . How I load it ? I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710003.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] Code functionality assessment
Thanks, Natalia, it was a very enjoyable read, too! On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: +1 ! Stef On Sep 23, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Very nice work, Natalia! Doru On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Natalia Tymchuk natalia.tymc...@unikernel.net wrote: Hello, I wrote another blog post concerning my project on Google Summer of Code, and there's how I assessed the results using Graph-ET. http://nataliatymchuk.blogspot.com/2013/09/code-functionality-assessment.html Best regard, Natalia ___ Moose-dev mailing list moose-...@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com Every thing has its own flow -- Cheers,
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu
is adding a progress bar , hard to do ? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Launching-Pharo-on-Ubuntu-tp4709757p4710015.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
I'm checking that error and it's weird. First, I could load the project with no problems in the last Pharo 2.0 image I downloaded from pharo-project.org. But I checked your stacktrace and I see that the error comes from here: ExternalObject classinitialize ExternalObject initialize Smalltalk addToStartUpList: self after: ShortRunArray. That is a class from the FFI-Kernel package, and ShortRunArray (the class that is not found in your stacktrace, I assume) is in the package Balloon-Collections. Maybe there's a problem with FFI dependencies? On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.comwrote: Santiago: yes! Germán said the same thing :P It would be awesome. Maybe filling the potion is more difficult, but at least I can change the color :P Kilon and laurent: I will try it in a new image and get back to you, thanks for trying it (or trying to try it :P). On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Same error here on ArchLinux. Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: yeah it fails with error after executing : Gofer it url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main'; package: 'ConfigurationOfMars'; load. ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'. Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary here is the stack trace http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN Carla F. Griggio wrote Hi! For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do: http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/ It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did, but if something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post. Thanks for the comments, everybody. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon thekilon@.co wrote: ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error error: name not found unix . How I load it ? I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710003.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:46 PM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: is adding a progress bar , hard to do ? don't know. Do you want to try? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. Winston Churchill
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu
yeah I will give it a try, don't know how long will take me but I like what you have done with Pharo Launcher. I will create an enhancement issue when I have it working as I want and report back. Esteban has granted me commit right to pharo 3 inbox too so I will commit there. Or do you want me to contribute directly to smalltalk hub repo ? I am new with pharo and morphic so please bare with me :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Launching-Pharo-on-Ubuntu-tp4709757p4710020.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
[Pharo-dev] Fwd: [Esug-list] Smalltalk PhD offer
StefBegin forwarded message:From: Loïc Lagadec loic.laga...@ensta-bretagne.frSubject: [Esug-list] Smalltalk PhD offerDate: September 23, 2013 1:42:28 PM GMT+02:00To: ESUG Mailing list esug-l...@lists.esug.org We have an open PhD position for which we are looking for candidates with strong smalltalk skills. This PhD opens in the scope of the ERATO european project, This project aims at developping a new space-oriented system-on-chip, with reconfigurable capabilities. The project gathers many industrial partners (ASTRIUM, THALES, ...) and three academic partners. Our institute is in charge of developping the programming environment. We benefit from a large legacy, written in visualworks. The thesis will focus on industrial research perspectives (agile tools development, configuration compaction, target modeling, code generation, ...). One important contribution will be to expose a manipulation API to application Designers while protecting the hardware intellectual property. Also some compression schemes, used for video coding, will be stressed against practical experimentation when downsizing the bitstream (binary representation of the application). The PhD will be located in Brest (http://www.brest-metropole-tourisme.fr/en), in the ENSTA engineering institute (http://www.ensta-bretagne.eu). Duration: 36 months Starts: January 2014 Contact info: Loic Lagadec (+33 298 348 908) -- ___Esug-list mailing listesug-l...@lists.esug.orghttp://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: yeah I will give it a try, don't know how long will take me but I like what you have done with Pharo Launcher. I will create an enhancement issue when I have it working as I want and report back. Esteban has granted me commit right to pharo 3 inbox too so I will commit there. Or do you want me to contribute directly to smalltalk hub repo ? I am new with pharo and morphic so please bare with me :) the Pharo3Inbox is only for code integrated in Pharo itself. The launcher won't be integrated in Pharo. I added you to the project http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. Winston Churchill
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
I've tried on Pharo 3.0. On Pharo2.0 one click it loads correctly. Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.comwrote: I'm checking that error and it's weird. First, I could load the project with no problems in the last Pharo 2.0 image I downloaded from pharo-project.org. But I checked your stacktrace and I see that the error comes from here: ExternalObject classinitialize ExternalObject initialize Smalltalk addToStartUpList: self after: ShortRunArray. That is a class from the FFI-Kernel package, and ShortRunArray (the class that is not found in your stacktrace, I assume) is in the package Balloon-Collections. Maybe there's a problem with FFI dependencies? On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Santiago: yes! Germán said the same thing :P It would be awesome. Maybe filling the potion is more difficult, but at least I can change the color :P Kilon and laurent: I will try it in a new image and get back to you, thanks for trying it (or trying to try it :P). On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Same error here on ArchLinux. Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: yeah it fails with error after executing : Gofer it url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main'; package: 'ConfigurationOfMars'; load. ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'. Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary here is the stack trace http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN Carla F. Griggio wrote Hi! For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do: http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/ It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did, but if something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post. Thanks for the comments, everybody. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon thekilon@.co wrote: ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error error: name not found unix . How I load it ? I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710003.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
ah yes... in 3.0 it will not work at the moment :) On Sep 24, 2013, at 2:25 PM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: I've tried on Pharo 3.0. On Pharo2.0 one click it loads correctly. Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: I'm checking that error and it's weird. First, I could load the project with no problems in the last Pharo 2.0 image I downloaded from pharo-project.org. But I checked your stacktrace and I see that the error comes from here: ExternalObject classinitialize ExternalObject initialize Smalltalk addToStartUpList: self after: ShortRunArray. That is a class from the FFI-Kernel package, and ShortRunArray (the class that is not found in your stacktrace, I assume) is in the package Balloon-Collections. Maybe there's a problem with FFI dependencies? On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Santiago: yes! Germán said the same thing :P It would be awesome. Maybe filling the potion is more difficult, but at least I can change the color :P Kilon and laurent: I will try it in a new image and get back to you, thanks for trying it (or trying to try it :P). On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Same error here on ArchLinux. Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: yeah it fails with error after executing : Gofer it url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main'; package: 'ConfigurationOfMars'; load. ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'. Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary here is the stack trace http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN Carla F. Griggio wrote Hi! For Ubuntu read this blog entry where I explain the setup I had to do: http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/setting-up-the-environment/ It's a little outdated because it was one of the first things I did, but if something doesn't work just let me know or comment on the blog post. Thanks for the comments, everybody. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, kilon thekilon@.co wrote: ok found it in smalltalkhub and load it to the image, but trying CofigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge gives me an error error: name not found unix . How I load it ? I am on Ubuntu 13.04 amd64. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4709977.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710003.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? By the way, is this the goal? Alexandre On Sep 24, 2013, at 4:09 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carla, this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? Cheers, Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! Cheers, Carla. ___ Esug-list mailing list esug-l...@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? Far. By the way, is this the goal? No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding will not support. Stef Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carla, this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? Cheers, Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! Cheers, Carla. ___ Esug-list mailing list esug-l...@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
Le 24/09/2013 15:05, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? Far. By the way, is this the goal? No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding will not support. But could a Spec subset (or Spec itself?) target Mars? Thierry Stef Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carla, this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? Cheers, Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! Cheers, Carla. ___ Esug-list mailing list esug-l...@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? Far. yes, we still need a lot of work. but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :) By the way, is this the goal? No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding will not support. the objective is to have an alternative. now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) Stef Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carla, this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? Cheers, Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! Cheers, Carla. ___ Esug-list mailing list esug-l...@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? Far. yes, we still need a lot of work. but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :) By the way, is this the goal? No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding will not support. the objective is to have an alternative. now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) Oh, this is how you are doing it. I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected. Thierry Stef Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carla, this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? Cheers, Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! Cheers, Carla. ___ Esug-list mailing list esug-l...@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
you need gtk3-devel? weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that. Esteban On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? Far. yes, we still need a lot of work. but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :) By the way, is this the goal? No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding will not support. the objective is to have an alternative. now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) Oh, this is how you are doing it. I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected. Thierry Stef Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carla, this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? Cheers, Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! Cheers, Carla. ___ Esug-list mailing list esug-l...@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu
ah yes of course. Ok thanks for adding me. I took a look at the code, it points back to Zinc , it look like I would need to override ZnClient withProgressDo: , no Idea how to do this currently but will continue looking into . I also found how monticello uses progress bars when downloading repos but it does not seem to use Zinc at all. So yeah this will take me quite some time to implement. Its Fun none the less ;) Damien Cassou wrote On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: yeah I will give it a try, don't know how long will take me but I like what you have done with Pharo Launcher. I will create an enhancement issue when I have it working as I want and report back. Esteban has granted me commit right to pharo 3 inbox too so I will commit there. Or do you want me to contribute directly to smalltalk hub repo ? I am new with pharo and morphic so please bare with me :) the Pharo3Inbox is only for code integrated in Pharo itself. The launcher won't be integrated in Pharo. I added you to the project http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. Winston Churchill -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Launching-Pharo-on-Ubuntu-tp4709757p4710044.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
I followed the instructions in another mail. Basically, it fails trying to load libgtk3 Thierry Le 24/09/2013 15:18, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : you need gtk3-devel? weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that. Esteban On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? Far. yes, we still need a lot of work. but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :) By the way, is this the goal? No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding will not support. the objective is to have an alternative. now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) Oh, this is how you are doing it. I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected. Thierry Stef Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carla, this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? Cheers, Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! Cheers, Carla. ___ Esug-list mailing list esug-l...@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] RFB on 2.0 + linux - semaphore primitive failed
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com wrote: OK. I think I am having the same issue here. I am using Pharo2.0 Latest update: #20619, and a Mac VM of Mar 13 2013. I have a SmalltalkHub image running with RFB. If I save the image with the RFBServer running, my image freezes. If the server is stopped while saving, there is no problem. The hung seems to be AFTER the image save itself, because if I kill the process and start again, the image was saved. Does somebody remember if this was solve or not? if not, I will try to debug a bit. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Hi Paul2 Paul Wilke wrote Hi, we have a similar problem. Which VM should one use? We had the StackVM in productive use but now after using Pharo 2.0 we have this primitive error and a stuck image. We found one cause in a the netname resolver. Can you explain what is the netname resolver problem. I would greatly appreciate an info about which vm exactly to use or how to further diagnose this problem. Kind regards, Paul I ended up reverting back to Pharo 1.4 and don't have plans to use Pharo 2 in production. If you do not give us more information we will never be able to fix it. And may be 3.0 will still have the problem and you will start using system that is 3 year old. I can understand that you get in a situation where you cannot do otherwise but do not expect us to fix magically things. Stef -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/RFB-on-2-0-linux-semaphore-primitive-failed-tp4701741p4706301.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding will not support. But could a Spec subset (or Spec itself?) target Mars? this is the idea. We should be able to reuse the composition logic of spec object. Stef
[Pharo-dev] Pharo 3 is interesting
I'm managing to get MNUs in Pharo 3.0 in a quite fun way. I've compiled methods with nil as protocol... The result is kind of interesting. Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 3:18 PM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I took a look at the code, it points back to Zinc , it look like I would need to override ZnClient withProgressDo: , no Idea how to do this currently but will continue looking into . I also found how monticello uses progress bars when downloading repos but it does not seem to use Zinc at all. So yeah this will take me quite some time to implement. you may want to open a new question on stackoverflow or pharo-users and forward to Sven -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. Winston Churchill
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
yes... if you have it (for 32bits), you should be ok. but maybe you need to change the path. On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: I followed the instructions in another mail. Basically, it fails trying to load libgtk3 Thierry Le 24/09/2013 15:18, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : you need gtk3-devel? weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that. Esteban On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? Far. yes, we still need a lot of work. but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :) By the way, is this the goal? No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding will not support. the objective is to have an alternative. now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) Oh, this is how you are doing it. I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected. Thierry Stef Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carla, this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? Cheers, Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! Cheers, Carla. ___ Esug-list mailing list esug-l...@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: --089e0122eca46a487504e71ea2a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Same error here on ArchLinux. Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: yeah it fails with error after executing : Gofer it url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main'; package: 'ConfigurationOfMars'; load. ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'. Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary here is the stack trace http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN Also same error in OSX -- Mark
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
EstebanLM wrote the objective is to have an alternative. now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) now this sounds super interesting stuff, mixing moprhic with native guis. I hear that GTK3 is mostly Cairo based, and so is hmtl rendering for Firefox. Looks like Athens will play a rather crucial role to the future of Morphic and Pharo. But of course thats easier said than done :) And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C library, is hard to beat for customization and cross platform development. For example GTK is a disaster on Macos and Windows. With many problems, stability wise. QT is abit better but I suspect is big and complex , especially taking into account they had to design their own programming language for designing Graphical Elements known as QML ( a kind of javascript :D ). Oh QML can do live coding, sound familiar ? ;) but QT come with its own designers , and a wealth of tools, juicy documentation and good support even on mobile platforms. So an alliance of QT and Pharo may actually be quite more beneficial than an alliance with Windows GUI API or MacOS Cocoa or GTK . As far as I have seen QT look and behaves native in all major OSes. The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not support C++ libraries because of name mangling. But this is something that the FFI experts could clarify. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710045.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
I changed it to libgtk-3.so.0 instead of libgtk-3.so.0.600.0 (on ubuntu 13.04 it's libgtk-3.so.0.600.4 :)). However MarsTestRunner fail with a MNU: MarsListModelannounce: and I'm chasing a sizingPolicy nil in MarsLayout for MarsWorkspace Thierry Le 24/09/2013 15:28, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : yes... if you have it (for 32bits), you should be ok. but maybe you need to change the path. On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: I followed the instructions in another mail. Basically, it fails trying to load libgtk3 Thierry Le 24/09/2013 15:18, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : you need gtk3-devel? weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that. Esteban On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? Far. yes, we still need a lot of work. but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :) By the way, is this the goal? No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding will not support. the objective is to have an alternative. now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) Oh, this is how you are doing it. I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected. Thierry Stef Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carla, this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? Cheers, Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! Cheers, Carla. ___ Esug-list mailing list esug-l...@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Re: [Pharo-dev] [PROVENANCE INTERNET] Re: [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
Ok, corrected MarsWorkspace and lost my changes because, after hitting a bug in the Workspace menu, I killed the window and Pharo with it :O Looks like it's working, great work! Thierry Le 24/09/2013 16:03, Goubier Thierry a écrit : I changed it to libgtk-3.so.0 instead of libgtk-3.so.0.600.0 (on ubuntu 13.04 it's libgtk-3.so.0.600.4 :)). However MarsTestRunner fail with a MNU: MarsListModelannounce: and I'm chasing a sizingPolicy nil in MarsLayout for MarsWorkspace Thierry Le 24/09/2013 15:28, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : yes... if you have it (for 32bits), you should be ok. but maybe you need to change the path. On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: I followed the instructions in another mail. Basically, it fails trying to load libgtk3 Thierry Le 24/09/2013 15:18, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : you need gtk3-devel? weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that. Esteban On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? Far. yes, we still need a lot of work. but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :) By the way, is this the goal? No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding will not support. the objective is to have an alternative. now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) Oh, this is how you are doing it. I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected. Thierry Stef Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carla, this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? Cheers, Laurent On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! Cheers, Carla. ___ Esug-list mailing list esug-l...@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3 is interesting
On 24 September 2013 15:31, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: I'm managing to get MNUs in Pharo 3.0 in a quite fun way. I've compiled methods with nil as protocol... The result is kind of interesting. i think it is because nil is no longer valid protocol. sure thing it should not lead to dnu but to some more clear error message. anyways, thanks for finding the bug Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3 is interesting
Le 24/09/2013 16:50, Igor Stasenko a écrit : On 24 September 2013 15:31, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr mailto:thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: I'm managing to get MNUs in Pharo 3.0 in a quite fun way. I've compiled methods with nil as protocol... The result is kind of interesting. i think it is because nil is no longer valid protocol. sure thing it should not lead to dnu but to some more clear error message. Well, nil wasn't a protocol either in 2.0 but it was ignored :) anyways, thanks for finding the bug I triggered it with aClass compile: 'test ^true' classified: nil notifying: nil :) There is also another behavior difference between 2.0 and 3.0: the protocol #'as yet unclassified' disappear when empty in 2.0 and it stays, even empty, in 2.0. Do you intend it that way? Regards, Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
[Pharo-dev] Pharo Hangout Session! (next week, doodle poll)
Hi, During last ESUG we talked a lot about how can we improve/support the participation of all members of the community in the development of Pharo. One of the ideas is to organize remote sprints managed through google-hangout and the irc channel. Basically, it should work like a regular sprint, but all the participants will be remote :) I created a poll to check when people can participate. http://doodle.com/bbbm9dd554c5x535 Cheers, Esteban
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu
On 24 Sep 2013, at 15:18, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: ah yes of course. Ok thanks for adding me. I took a look at the code, it points back to Zinc , it look like I would need to override ZnClient withProgressDo: , no Idea how to do this currently but will continue looking into . I also found how monticello uses progress bars when downloading repos but it does not seem to use Zinc at all. So yeah this will take me quite some time to implement. Progress is indicated by HTTPProgress Notification that are being signalled by the underlying code. You have to catch them and do something with them. Have a look at ZnClientTests#testProgress Although the example in the comment does no longer seem to work... Its Fun none the less ;) Damien Cassou wrote On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: yeah I will give it a try, don't know how long will take me but I like what you have done with Pharo Launcher. I will create an enhancement issue when I have it working as I want and report back. Esteban has granted me commit right to pharo 3 inbox too so I will commit there. Or do you want me to contribute directly to smalltalk hub repo ? I am new with pharo and morphic so please bare with me :) the Pharo3Inbox is only for code integrated in Pharo itself. The launcher won't be integrated in Pharo. I added you to the project http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. Winston Churchill -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Launching-Pharo-on-Ubuntu-tp4709757p4710044.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
[Pharo-dev] Pharo Launcher link
Just wondering if it would be suitable to link to the Pharo Launcher from http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download. cheers -ben
Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3 is interesting
On 24 September 2013 17:06, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 24/09/2013 16:50, Igor Stasenko a écrit : On 24 September 2013 15:31, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr mailto:thierry.goub...@cea.fr** wrote: I'm managing to get MNUs in Pharo 3.0 in a quite fun way. I've compiled methods with nil as protocol... The result is kind of interesting. i think it is because nil is no longer valid protocol. sure thing it should not lead to dnu but to some more clear error message. Well, nil wasn't a protocol either in 2.0 but it was ignored :) anyways, thanks for finding the bug I triggered it with aClass compile: 'test ^true' classified: nil notifying: nil :) There is also another behavior difference between 2.0 and 3.0: the protocol #'as yet unclassified' disappear when empty in 2.0 and it stays, even empty, in 2.0. Do you intend it that way? I don't know the details, there was a lot of work done by Esteban refactoring this.. so i letting him to answer your question. Regards, Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3 is interesting
On Sep 24, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 September 2013 17:06, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 24/09/2013 16:50, Igor Stasenko a écrit : On 24 September 2013 15:31, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr mailto:thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: I'm managing to get MNUs in Pharo 3.0 in a quite fun way. I've compiled methods with nil as protocol... The result is kind of interesting. i think it is because nil is no longer valid protocol. sure thing it should not lead to dnu but to some more clear error message. Well, nil wasn't a protocol either in 2.0 but it was ignored :) anyways, thanks for finding the bug I triggered it with aClass compile: 'test ^true' classified: nil notifying: nil :) There is also another behavior difference between 2.0 and 3.0: the protocol #'as yet unclassified' disappear when empty in 2.0 and it stays, even empty, in 2.0. Do you intend it that way? I don't know the details, there was a lot of work done by Esteban refactoring this.. so i letting him to answer your question. no, is a bug (known), but still not time to fix it :) Regards, Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
[Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30422
30422 - 11671 remove empty packages https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11671 11672 tiny code critic cleanup in Network, Graphics and Tools https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11672 11669 Move classes in System-Applications to Deprecated30 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11669 Diff information: http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Tools-MarcusDenker.1269.diff http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/System-Applications-MarcusDenker.53.diff http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Spec-Tools-MarcusDenker.142.diff http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/SUnit-Utilities-MarcusDenker.12.diff http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/RecentSubmissions-MarcusDenker.200.diff http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Network-Url-MarcusDenker.91.diff http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Network-Mail-MarcusDenker.25.diff http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Graphics-Fonts-MarcusDenker.81.diff http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Graphics-Files-MarcusDenker.44.diff http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Graphics-Display Objects-MarcusDenker.130.diff http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Deprecated30-MarcusDenker.2.diff signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
[Pharo-dev] ConfigurationOfGhost: Where?
I am preparing my environment for development and am updating my webstack
configuration to match the new moves to SmalltalkHub.
Now, I am trying to get my ConfigurationOfOak working.
Fuel has moved to SmalltalkHub and it is fine.
Now, where is Ghost .?
I want to update this:
spec
project: 'GhostProxies' with: [
spec
className: 'ConfigurationOfGhost';
loads: #('Core');
versionString: #stable;
file: 'ConfigurationOfGhost';
repository: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Ghost' ].
spec project: 'GhostProxiesTests' copyFrom: 'GhostProxies' with: [
spec loads: #('Tests' ) ].
The search function on STH isn't helping much...
Thanks for the help!
Phil
Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3 is interesting
Ok. At the same time, I can appreciate the way the change was done. I just merged my system browser from 2.0 to 3.0 with very few problems, just tracking a few deprecations. And given how close I am to the class organisation / RPackage and friends, I can appreciate the care in maintaining a very close API while refactoring. Thierry De : Pharo-dev [pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] de la part de Esteban Lorenzano [esteba...@gmail.com] Date d'envoi : mardi 24 septembre 2013 18:34 À : Igor Stasenko Cc: Pharo Development List Objet : Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3 is interesting On Sep 24, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.commailto:siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 September 2013 17:06, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.frmailto:thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 24/09/2013 16:50, Igor Stasenko a écrit : On 24 September 2013 15:31, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.frmailto:thierry.goub...@cea.fr mailto:thierry.goub...@cea.frmailto:thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: I'm managing to get MNUs in Pharo 3.0 in a quite fun way. I've compiled methods with nil as protocol... The result is kind of interesting. i think it is because nil is no longer valid protocol. sure thing it should not lead to dnu but to some more clear error message. Well, nil wasn't a protocol either in 2.0 but it was ignored :) anyways, thanks for finding the bug I triggered it with aClass compile: 'test ^true' classified: nil notifying: nil :) There is also another behavior difference between 2.0 and 3.0: the protocol #'as yet unclassified' disappear when empty in 2.0 and it stays, even empty, in 2.0. Do you intend it that way? I don't know the details, there was a lot of work done by Esteban refactoring this.. so i letting him to answer your question. no, is a bug (known), but still not time to fix it :) Regards, Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3 is interesting
On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:38 PM, GOUBIER Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Ok. At the same time, I can appreciate the way the change was done. I just merged my system browser from 2.0 to 3.0 with very few problems, just tracking a few deprecations. And given how close I am to the class organisation / RPackage and friends, I can appreciate the care in maintaining a very close API while refactoring. Thanks because we hate this part of the system and this is not what we are dreaming of. if you would see esteban coming to steal fruits in my office these days :) Stef Thierry De : Pharo-dev [pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] de la part de Esteban Lorenzano [esteba...@gmail.com] Date d'envoi : mardi 24 septembre 2013 18:34 À : Igor Stasenko Cc: Pharo Development List Objet : Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3 is interesting On Sep 24, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 September 2013 17:06, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 24/09/2013 16:50, Igor Stasenko a écrit : On 24 September 2013 15:31, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr mailto:thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: I'm managing to get MNUs in Pharo 3.0 in a quite fun way. I've compiled methods with nil as protocol... The result is kind of interesting. i think it is because nil is no longer valid protocol. sure thing it should not lead to dnu but to some more clear error message. Well, nil wasn't a protocol either in 2.0 but it was ignored :) anyways, thanks for finding the bug I triggered it with aClass compile: 'test ^true' classified: nil notifying: nil :) There is also another behavior difference between 2.0 and 3.0: the protocol #'as yet unclassified' disappear when empty in 2.0 and it stays, even empty, in 2.0. Do you intend it that way? I don't know the details, there was a lot of work done by Esteban refactoring this.. so i letting him to answer your question. no, is a bug (known), but still not time to fix it :) Regards, Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
kilon wrote And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C library, is hard to beat for customization When one wants to do something non-standard, Morphic is insanely powerful. The only issue I have is cleaning and refactoring. I think the underlying idea is brilliant. kilon wrote The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not support C++ libraries because of name mangling. You have to export the functionality you want to use as C functions. Not that hard, but I've only tried it for proof-of-concepts - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710145.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu
Actually it works its just that is not meant to create a progress bar. To create a progressbar I created a new test testProgressBar UIManager default informUserDuring: [ :bar | [ ^ ZnClient new signalProgress: true; get: 'http://zn.stfx.eu/echo?delay=2' ] on: HTTPProgress do: [ :progress | bar label: progress printString. progress isEmpty ifFalse: [ bar current: progress percentage ]. progress resume ] ] it displays the progressbar , but it displays no progress (blue bar thing) and it close as soon as it finish the get. I tried to implement that in createImageFromTemplate | name | name := UIManager default request: 'Image name?'. self showDownloadInProgress. [UIManager default informUserDuring: [ :bar | [ imageGroup extractTemplate: self selectedTemplate to: name] on: HTTPProgress do: [ :progress | bar label: progress printString. progress isEmpty ifFalse: [ bar current: progress percentage ]. progress resume ] ]] on: PhLDownloadError do: [ :err | UIManager default alert: err longDescription. ^ self ]. self updateAll. I assume that code is deeply flawed , hence why it does not display me any progressbar at all. Looks like I have a lot to learn. First I am not sure if ZnClient downloads in packets and if it reports progress per packet . If its progress is upon success of download then it does not help at all , because in that case there will be only one stage of progress upon success of download. I want multiple stages of progress so the download bar increases from 0% to 100%(preferably per kb ). IF that is the cace then probably I will be better using the HTTP client of monticello to download the images which I know it works that way. Is there a particular reason why we should stick to Zinc ? I am open to suggestions :) Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote On 24 Sep 2013, at 15:18, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: ah yes of course. Ok thanks for adding me. I took a look at the code, it points back to Zinc , it look like I would need to override ZnClient withProgressDo: , no Idea how to do this currently but will continue looking into . I also found how monticello uses progress bars when downloading repos but it does not seem to use Zinc at all. So yeah this will take me quite some time to implement. Progress is indicated by HTTPProgress Notification that are being signalled by the underlying code. You have to catch them and do something with them. Have a look at ZnClientTests#testProgress Although the example in the comment does no longer seem to work... Its Fun none the less ;) Damien Cassou wrote On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: yeah I will give it a try, don't know how long will take me but I like what you have done with Pharo Launcher. I will create an enhancement issue when I have it working as I want and report back. Esteban has granted me commit right to pharo 3 inbox too so I will commit there. Or do you want me to contribute directly to smalltalk hub repo ? I am new with pharo and morphic so please bare with me :) the Pharo3Inbox is only for code integrated in Pharo itself. The launcher won't be integrated in Pharo. I added you to the project http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. Winston Churchill -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Launching-Pharo-on-Ubuntu-tp4709757p4710044.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Launching-Pharo-on-Ubuntu-tp4709757p4710146.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
I agree, Morphic is quite messy but its design is very solid. Its just like any huge library need to go under a cleanup phase and be improved. I checked to find out if QT can be accessed from C , the short answer is no. So move along nothing to see here. I dont know what you mean by export the functionality to C functions if that means rewriting code from C++ to C , then I will have to pass, QT is huge , even if we utilized the whole pharo community we would not be able to do this. I think focusing on morphic and existing functionality of Mars will do for now. The way I see it best candidate so far is GTK. Not so good on windows and macos , but better than having to maintain separate classes for windoom , macos and linux. And I am not even sure if there many pharoers on windoom anyway, I rarely see it mentioned here. Another interesting candidate is Clutter , its based on Opengl , its a C library and seems to even support OpenGL ES for mobile platform and of course compiles on windooom, macos and linux . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit) I also heard its quite small and easy to use , so maybe morphic could be based on it. I have not used it myself so I cant vouch for it. Sean P. DeNigris wrote kilon wrote And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C library, is hard to beat for customization When one wants to do something non-standard, Morphic is insanely powerful. The only issue I have is cleaning and refactoring. I think the underlying idea is brilliant. kilon wrote The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not support C++ libraries because of name mangling. You have to export the functionality you want to use as C functions. Not that hard, but I've only tried it for proof-of-concepts -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710156.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu
On 24 Sep 2013, at 22:23, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Actually it works its just that is not meant to create a progress bar. To create a progressbar I created a new test testProgressBar UIManager default informUserDuring: [ :bar | [ ^ ZnClient new signalProgress: true; get: 'http://zn.stfx.eu/echo?delay=2' ] on: HTTPProgress do: [ :progress | bar label: progress printString. progress isEmpty ifFalse: [ bar current: progress percentage ]. progress resume ] ] it displays the progressbar , but it displays no progress (blue bar thing) and it close as soon as it finish the get. I tried to implement that in createImageFromTemplate | name | name := UIManager default request: 'Image name?'. self showDownloadInProgress. [UIManager default informUserDuring: [ :bar | [ imageGroup extractTemplate: self selectedTemplate to: name] on: HTTPProgress do: [ :progress | bar label: progress printString. progress isEmpty ifFalse: [ bar current: progress percentage ]. progress resume ] ]] on: PhLDownloadError do: [ :err | UIManager default alert: err longDescription. ^ self ]. self updateAll. I assume that code is deeply flawed , hence why it does not display me any progressbar at all. Looks like I have a lot to learn. First I am not sure if ZnClient downloads in packets and if it reports progress per packet . If its progress is upon success of download then it does not help at all , because in that case there will be only one stage of progress upon success of download. I want multiple stages of progress so the download bar increases from 0% to 100%(preferably per kb ). IF that is the cace then probably I will be better using the HTTP client of monticello to download the images which I know it works that way. Is there a particular reason why we should stick to Zinc ? The HTTP client of Monticello _is_ ZnClient, see MCHttpRepository#httpClient ;-) Now, for performance reasons, progress in only signalled every ZnUtils class#streamingBufferSize which is currently 16K. Apart from that, the download might go that fast that there is little to show. I am certainly not claiming that the HTTPProgress stuff is perfect, but it seems to work. I am open to suggestions :) Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote On 24 Sep 2013, at 15:18, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: ah yes of course. Ok thanks for adding me. I took a look at the code, it points back to Zinc , it look like I would need to override ZnClient withProgressDo: , no Idea how to do this currently but will continue looking into . I also found how monticello uses progress bars when downloading repos but it does not seem to use Zinc at all. So yeah this will take me quite some time to implement. Progress is indicated by HTTPProgress Notification that are being signalled by the underlying code. You have to catch them and do something with them. Have a look at ZnClientTests#testProgress Although the example in the comment does no longer seem to work... Its Fun none the less ;) Damien Cassou wrote On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: yeah I will give it a try, don't know how long will take me but I like what you have done with Pharo Launcher. I will create an enhancement issue when I have it working as I want and report back. Esteban has granted me commit right to pharo 3 inbox too so I will commit there. Or do you want me to contribute directly to smalltalk hub repo ? I am new with pharo and morphic so please bare with me :) the Pharo3Inbox is only for code integrated in Pharo itself. The launcher won't be integrated in Pharo. I added you to the project http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. Winston Churchill -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Launching-Pharo-on-Ubuntu-tp4709757p4710044.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Launching-Pharo-on-Ubuntu-tp4709757p4710146.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
er... of course Mars is designed to alllow the backend you want to plug in, but we thinkthat Gtk3 is ok for Linux and good enough for Windows. For OSX we have the Cocoa backend. So I do not understand this line of argument :) Esteban On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:42 PM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I agree, Morphic is quite messy but its design is very solid. Its just like any huge library need to go under a cleanup phase and be improved. I checked to find out if QT can be accessed from C , the short answer is no. So move along nothing to see here. I dont know what you mean by export the functionality to C functions if that means rewriting code from C++ to C , then I will have to pass, QT is huge , even if we utilized the whole pharo community we would not be able to do this. I think focusing on morphic and existing functionality of Mars will do for now. The way I see it best candidate so far is GTK. Not so good on windows and macos , but better than having to maintain separate classes for windoom , macos and linux. And I am not even sure if there many pharoers on windoom anyway, I rarely see it mentioned here. Another interesting candidate is Clutter , its based on Opengl , its a C library and seems to even support OpenGL ES for mobile platform and of course compiles on windooom, macos and linux . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit) I also heard its quite small and easy to use , so maybe morphic could be based on it. I have not used it myself so I cant vouch for it. Sean P. DeNigris wrote kilon wrote And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C library, is hard to beat for customization When one wants to do something non-standard, Morphic is insanely powerful. The only issue I have is cleaning and refactoring. I think the underlying idea is brilliant. kilon wrote The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not support C++ libraries because of name mangling. You have to export the functionality you want to use as C functions. Not that hard, but I've only tried it for proof-of-concepts -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710156.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu
On 2013-09-24, at 17:43, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: On 24 Sep 2013, at 22:23, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Actually it works its just that is not meant to create a progress bar. To create a progressbar I created a new test testProgressBar UIManager default informUserDuring: [ :bar | [ ^ ZnClient new signalProgress: true; get: 'http://zn.stfx.eu/echo?delay=2' ] on: HTTPProgress do: [ :progress | bar label: progress printString. progress isEmpty ifFalse: [ bar current: progress percentage ]. progress resume ] ] it displays the progressbar , but it displays no progress (blue bar thing) and it close as soon as it finish the get. I tried to implement that in createImageFromTemplate | name | name := UIManager default request: 'Image name?'. self showDownloadInProgress. [UIManager default informUserDuring: [ :bar | [ imageGroup extractTemplate: self selectedTemplate to: name] on: HTTPProgress do: [ :progress | bar label: progress printString. progress isEmpty ifFalse: [ bar current: progress percentage ]. progress resume ] ]] on: PhLDownloadError do: [ :err | UIManager default alert: err longDescription. ^ self ]. self updateAll. I assume that code is deeply flawed , hence why it does not display me any progressbar at all. Looks like I have a lot to learn. First I am not sure if ZnClient downloads in packets and if it reports progress per packet . If its progress is upon success of download then it does not help at all , because in that case there will be only one stage of progress upon success of download. I want multiple stages of progress so the download bar increases from 0% to 100%(preferably per kb ). IF that is the cace then probably I will be better using the HTTP client of monticello to download the images which I know it works that way. Is there a particular reason why we should stick to Zinc ? The HTTP client of Monticello _is_ ZnClient, see MCHttpRepository#httpClient ;-) Now, for performance reasons, progress in only signalled every ZnUtils class#streamingBufferSize which is currently 16K. Apart from that, the download might go that fast that there is little to show. I am certainly not claiming that the HTTPProgress stuff is perfect, but it seems to work. ... and the progress bar certainly much further away from that goal :) signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
I saw Add multi-touch gesture recognizers ClutterPanAction, ClutterZoomAction, and ClutterRotateAction are gesture recognizers that can be used to detect common multi-touch gestures. The ClutterGestureAction class has been modified to make it easy to create new gesture recognizers. And I'm curious to know how they do it because one of these days we will have :) Stef On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:42 PM, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I agree, Morphic is quite messy but its design is very solid. Its just like any huge library need to go under a cleanup phase and be improved. I checked to find out if QT can be accessed from C , the short answer is no. So move along nothing to see here. I dont know what you mean by export the functionality to C functions if that means rewriting code from C++ to C , then I will have to pass, QT is huge , even if we utilized the whole pharo community we would not be able to do this. I think focusing on morphic and existing functionality of Mars will do for now. The way I see it best candidate so far is GTK. Not so good on windows and macos , but better than having to maintain separate classes for windoom , macos and linux. And I am not even sure if there many pharoers on windoom anyway, I rarely see it mentioned here. Another interesting candidate is Clutter , its based on Opengl , its a C library and seems to even support OpenGL ES for mobile platform and of course compiles on windooom, macos and linux . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit) I also heard its quite small and easy to use , so maybe morphic could be based on it. I have not used it myself so I cant vouch for it. Sean P. DeNigris wrote kilon wrote And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C library, is hard to beat for customization When one wants to do something non-standard, Morphic is insanely powerful. The only issue I have is cleaning and refactoring. I think the underlying idea is brilliant. kilon wrote The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not support C++ libraries because of name mangling. You have to export the functionality you want to use as C functions. Not that hard, but I've only tried it for proof-of-concepts -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710156.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu
The confusion of the noob, I saw a method though it was a class, did not see self in front of it. Yeap its definitely Zinc , its staring me in the face with that blank look :D Ok then its certainly my lack of understanding. I will take my time learning how Zinc works and how progress bar works. Will take a deeper look into how Monticello uses it. Thanks for the help, I should be able to figure this out. If not you will know it by the deep sounds I make when I hit my head against the wall. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote On 24 Sep 2013, at 22:23, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: Actually it works its just that is not meant to create a progress bar. To create a progressbar I created a new test testProgressBar UIManager default informUserDuring: [ :bar | [ ^ ZnClient new signalProgress: true; get: 'http://zn.stfx.eu/echo?delay=2' ] on: HTTPProgress do: [ :progress | bar label: progress printString. progress isEmpty ifFalse: [ bar current: progress percentage ]. progress resume ] ] it displays the progressbar , but it displays no progress (blue bar thing) and it close as soon as it finish the get. I tried to implement that in createImageFromTemplate | name | name := UIManager default request: 'Image name?'. self showDownloadInProgress. [UIManager default informUserDuring: [ :bar | [ imageGroup extractTemplate: self selectedTemplate to: name] on: HTTPProgress do: [ :progress | bar label: progress printString. progress isEmpty ifFalse: [ bar current: progress percentage ]. progress resume ] ]] on: PhLDownloadError do: [ :err | UIManager default alert: err longDescription. ^ self ]. self updateAll. I assume that code is deeply flawed , hence why it does not display me any progressbar at all. Looks like I have a lot to learn. First I am not sure if ZnClient downloads in packets and if it reports progress per packet . If its progress is upon success of download then it does not help at all , because in that case there will be only one stage of progress upon success of download. I want multiple stages of progress so the download bar increases from 0% to 100%(preferably per kb ). IF that is the cace then probably I will be better using the HTTP client of monticello to download the images which I know it works that way. Is there a particular reason why we should stick to Zinc ? The HTTP client of Monticello _is_ ZnClient, see MCHttpRepository#httpClient ;-) Now, for performance reasons, progress in only signalled every ZnUtils class#streamingBufferSize which is currently 16K. Apart from that, the download might go that fast that there is little to show. I am certainly not claiming that the HTTPProgress stuff is perfect, but it seems to work. I am open to suggestions :) Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote On 24 Sep 2013, at 15:18, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: ah yes of course. Ok thanks for adding me. I took a look at the code, it points back to Zinc , it look like I would need to override ZnClient withProgressDo: , no Idea how to do this currently but will continue looking into . I also found how monticello uses progress bars when downloading repos but it does not seem to use Zinc at all. So yeah this will take me quite some time to implement. Progress is indicated by HTTPProgress Notification that are being signalled by the underlying code. You have to catch them and do something with them. Have a look at ZnClientTests#testProgress Although the example in the comment does no longer seem to work... Its Fun none the less ;) Damien Cassou wrote On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: yeah I will give it a try, don't know how long will take me but I like what you have done with Pharo Launcher. I will create an enhancement issue when I have it working as I want and report back. Esteban has granted me commit right to pharo 3 inbox too so I will commit there. Or do you want me to contribute directly to smalltalk hub repo ? I am new with pharo and morphic so please bare with me :) the Pharo3Inbox is only for code integrated in Pharo itself. The launcher won't be integrated in Pharo. I added you to the project http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. Winston Churchill -- View this message in context:
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
Personally I don't care that much to be frank with you. I think the age of native look has passed and failed miserably. All the rage now is custom look guis, graphics app are strictly custom look, sound and music apps are strictly custom look and web apps of course as well. Only business apps are remaining stuborn stuck in the past. Its no mistake that the clear winner on the GUI department is by far QT . Take a look even at iOS even iOS dropped the macos look for its own custom look. Custom look is everywhere. Even macos embraces it with Launchpad, Time machine and who knows what the future holds. Windoom has suprised us with Metro, probably not a success but seems that even the sloth giant Micro$oft has taken notice where things are heading. QT is the king of it because it has created a very flexible API which is not only capable in looking native but also very good in customisation. Well the king is web design here, but since its not considered desktop technology I will say QT for the record. Saying all that, I am not a believer of GTK. And I have heard that on windows people prefer to commit murder than use GTK. GTK is mainly linux orientated and I dont even think its even on Android. There was a bug on macos about tablet with pressure sensitivity and several other bugs with gimp and mypaint, the bottom line was that there were not enough developers for either windows or macos. GTK3 looks like diffirent story though but I still have my doubts. Looks more flexible, better designed but still does not change the fact that it lack people on non linux platforms to maintain it. And its a rather huge lib. I am interested into Clutter because my main interest is Graphics and OpenGL, so I have my own personal agenda on this. Now if you want to support GTK3 on windoom, I say go for it, its not as if you have a better choice. Maintaining a windoom port with using windoom apis will be much more of a pain anyway. So GTK3 certainly makes sense for me. I just dont see myself abandoning morphic any time soon for it. At least not this century. I prefer smalltalk to C bugs anyday. EstebanLM wrote er... of course Mars is designed to alllow the backend you want to plug in, but we thinkthat Gtk3 is ok for Linux and good enough for Windows. For OSX we have the Cocoa backend. So I do not understand this line of argument :) Esteban On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:42 PM, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: I agree, Morphic is quite messy but its design is very solid. Its just like any huge library need to go under a cleanup phase and be improved. I checked to find out if QT can be accessed from C , the short answer is no. So move along nothing to see here. I dont know what you mean by export the functionality to C functions if that means rewriting code from C++ to C , then I will have to pass, QT is huge , even if we utilized the whole pharo community we would not be able to do this. I think focusing on morphic and existing functionality of Mars will do for now. The way I see it best candidate so far is GTK. Not so good on windows and macos , but better than having to maintain separate classes for windoom , macos and linux. And I am not even sure if there many pharoers on windoom anyway, I rarely see it mentioned here. Another interesting candidate is Clutter , its based on Opengl , its a C library and seems to even support OpenGL ES for mobile platform and of course compiles on windooom, macos and linux . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit) lt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit)gt; I also heard its quite small and easy to use , so maybe morphic could be based on it. I have not used it myself so I cant vouch for it. Sean P. DeNigris wrote kilon wrote And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C library, is hard to beat for customization When one wants to do something non-standard, Morphic is insanely powerful. The only issue I have is cleaning and refactoring. I think the underlying idea is brilliant. kilon wrote The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not support C++ libraries because of name mangling. You have to export the functionality you want to use as C functions. Not that hard, but I've only tried it for proof-of-concepts -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710156.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4709937p4710182.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu
Kilon, Here is another example: OrderedCollection streamContents: [ :out | [ ZnClient new signalProgress: true; url: 'http://stfx.eu/PharoV20.sources'; downloadTo: '/tmp' ] on: HTTPProgress do: [ :notification | out nextPut: notification. notification resume ] ]. The resulting collection has more than 1000 elements. So from the standpoint of Zn it works. What is then done with the notifications is another thing. Regards, Sven On 24 Sep 2013, at 22:53, kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The confusion of the noob, I saw a method though it was a class, did not see self in front of it. Yeap its definitely Zinc , its staring me in the face with that blank look :D Ok then its certainly my lack of understanding. I will take my time learning how Zinc works and how progress bar works. Will take a deeper look into how Monticello uses it. Thanks for the help, I should be able to figure this out. If not you will know it by the deep sounds I make when I hit my head against the wall. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote On 24 Sep 2013, at 22:23, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: Actually it works its just that is not meant to create a progress bar. To create a progressbar I created a new test testProgressBar UIManager default informUserDuring: [ :bar | [ ^ ZnClient new signalProgress: true; get: 'http://zn.stfx.eu/echo?delay=2' ] on: HTTPProgress do: [ :progress | bar label: progress printString. progress isEmpty ifFalse: [ bar current: progress percentage ]. progress resume ] ] it displays the progressbar , but it displays no progress (blue bar thing) and it close as soon as it finish the get. I tried to implement that in createImageFromTemplate | name | name := UIManager default request: 'Image name?'. self showDownloadInProgress. [UIManager default informUserDuring: [ :bar | [ imageGroup extractTemplate: self selectedTemplate to: name] on: HTTPProgress do: [ :progress | bar label: progress printString. progress isEmpty ifFalse: [ bar current: progress percentage ]. progress resume ] ]] on: PhLDownloadError do: [ :err | UIManager default alert: err longDescription. ^ self ]. self updateAll. I assume that code is deeply flawed , hence why it does not display me any progressbar at all. Looks like I have a lot to learn. First I am not sure if ZnClient downloads in packets and if it reports progress per packet . If its progress is upon success of download then it does not help at all , because in that case there will be only one stage of progress upon success of download. I want multiple stages of progress so the download bar increases from 0% to 100%(preferably per kb ). IF that is the cace then probably I will be better using the HTTP client of monticello to download the images which I know it works that way. Is there a particular reason why we should stick to Zinc ? The HTTP client of Monticello _is_ ZnClient, see MCHttpRepository#httpClient ;-) Now, for performance reasons, progress in only signalled every ZnUtils class#streamingBufferSize which is currently 16K. Apart from that, the download might go that fast that there is little to show. I am certainly not claiming that the HTTPProgress stuff is perfect, but it seems to work. I am open to suggestions :) Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote On 24 Sep 2013, at 15:18, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: ah yes of course. Ok thanks for adding me. I took a look at the code, it points back to Zinc , it look like I would need to override ZnClient withProgressDo: , no Idea how to do this currently but will continue looking into . I also found how monticello uses progress bars when downloading repos but it does not seem to use Zinc at all. So yeah this will take me quite some time to implement. Progress is indicated by HTTPProgress Notification that are being signalled by the underlying code. You have to catch them and do something with them. Have a look at ZnClientTests#testProgress Although the example in the comment does no longer seem to work... Its Fun none the less ;) Damien Cassou wrote On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM, kilon lt; thekilon@.co gt; wrote: yeah I will give it a try, don't know how long will take me but I like what you have done with Pharo Launcher. I will create an enhancement issue when I have it working as I want and report back. Esteban has granted me commit right to pharo 3 inbox too so I will commit there. Or do
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner
kilon wrote: I agree, Morphic is quite messy but its design is very solid. Its just like any huge library need to go under a cleanup phase and be improved. I checked to find out if QT can be accessed from C , the short answer is no. So move along nothing to see here. I dont know what you mean by "export the functionality to C functions" if that means rewriting code from C++ to C , then I will have to pass, QT is huge , even if we utilized the whole pharo community we would not be able to do this. I think focusing on morphic and existing functionality of Mars will do for now. The way I see it best candidate so far is GTK. Not so good on windows and macos , but better than having to maintain separate classes for windoom , macos and linux. And I am not even sure if there many pharoers on windoom anyway, I rarely see it mentioned here. Another interesting candidate is Clutter , its based on Opengl , its a C library and seems to even support OpenGL ES for mobile platform and of course compiles on windooom, macos and linux . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit) I also heard its quite small and easy to use , so maybe morphic could be based on it. I have not used it myself so I cant vouch for it. Sean P. DeNigris wrote kilon wrote And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C library, is hard to beat for customization When one wants to do something non-standard, Morphic is insanely powerful. The only issue I have is cleaning and refactoring. I think the underlying idea is brilliant. kilon wrote The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not support C++ libraries because of name mangling. You have to export the functionality you want to use as C functions. Not that hard, but I've only tried it for proof-of-concepts How about using a C++ interface generator like SWIG? http://www.swig.org/exec.html http://is.muni.cz/th/256594/fi_m/thesis.pdf (note I haven't used this, I've just been browsing around for interest) cheers -ben
