Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Saša Janiška]

On Sri, 2015-12-23 at 09:20 -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:

> In a computing monoculture of overcomplex ways of doing programming 
> and DVCS is refreshing to find a community where alternative ideas
> like Pharo and fossil and listened and used.

Indeed...now I'm into learning Pharo trying to adjust to some
alternatives, but those will require to ask some additional questions.


Sincerely,
Gour

-- 
Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, 
when you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge 
you will be able to cross over the ocean of miseries.

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[stepharo]

In a computing monoculture of overcomplex ways of doing programming
and DVCS is refreshing to find a community where alternative ideas
like Pharo and fossil and listened and used.

Indeed...now I'm into learning Pharo trying to adjust to some
alternatives, but those will require to ask some additional questions.


just ask do not hesitate.

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Pierce Ng]

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 09:38:20AM +0100, Saša Janiška wrote:
> Sure, I'm really excited about it and exploring further. However, it's
> nice to find users within Pharo community who can see the merits of
> Fossil DVCS.

I use Fossil as personal wiki, VCS for config files, and ticketing system. I
like it very much. For now I'm not bothered about integrating Fossil as a Pharo
VCS though. I just use Monticello.

Pierce

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Saša Janiška]

On Sri, 2015-12-23 at 20:01 +0800, Pierce Ng wrote:

> For now I'm not bothered about integrating Fossil as a Pharo VCS
> though. I just use Monticello.

Is Monticello good-enough for collaboration with smaller team of devs?


Sincerely,
Gour

-- 
As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the 
fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities.

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Hi,

On 23/12/15 08:23, Saša Janiška wrote:

On Sri, 2015-12-23 at 20:01 +0800, Pierce Ng wrote:


For now I'm not bothered about integrating Fossil as a Pharo VCS
though. I just use Monticello.

Is Monticello good-enough for collaboration with smaller team of devs?



Yes, if you work only with Smalltalk code.

About my uses of fossil and Pharo, my project, grafoscopio[1], uses 
Pharo for building a  interactive documentation and data visualization 
environment with a tree like metaphor, and fossil as the DVCS for 
controlling all external artifacts to the image, including persistent 
document objects in STON[2], pandoc's markdown[3], latex and pdf and 
also graphics, figures. There is no explicit bridge between them right 
now in my project (which is pretty alpha), I just export from the image 
and keep my repos in sync from the command shell, but works fine for 
now. In a computing monoculture of overcomplex ways of doing programming 
and DVCS is refreshing to find a community where alternative ideas like 
Pharo and fossil and listened and used.


[1] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/index.en.html
[2] https://github.com/svenvc/ston/blob/master/ston-paper.md
[3] http://pandoc.org/README.html#pandocs-markdown

Cheers,

Offray

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Saša Janiška]

On Uto, 2015-12-22 at 15:23 +0100, Hilaire wrote:

> As for now, you have to use filetree, over fossil repo, but from Pharo
> you can only save to the repo, no way to fetch back I think.

OK.

> But if you are potential Pharo users, you should not waste your time
> on the CVS question but discover first the Pharo language and
> environment.

Sure, I'm really excited about it and exploring further. However, it's
nice to find users within Pharo community who can see the merits of
Fossil DVCS.


Sincerely,
Gour

-- 
He is a perfect yogī who, by comparison to his own self, 
sees the true equality of all beings, in both their 
happiness and their distress, O Arjuna!

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Saša Janiška]

On Uto, 2015-10-20 at 11:09 +0200, Hilaire wrote:

Hello,

potential Pharo user here who just installed 5.0 image on his Debian Sid
and researching whether Smalltalk (Pharo) can be used as language for
writing some multi-platform opens-source apps...tried/evaluated several
languages, but, considering I abandon idea to use {C(++), Java}, the the
most pragmatical option so far is to use Object Pascal  and
FPC/Lazarus(fpGUI), but someone recommended to inspect Smalltalk (I was
tinkering with Digitalk looong ago while using OS2)...

> I have been trying Fossil with Filetree, and I was rather please by
> the mutuals use of these tools. So I may share a few feedbacks.
> Fossil[1] itself is a software to manage source code development. It
> is very simple to install and data is saved in a single sqlite
> database. It comes with source code management, bug tracker, web
> interface, wiki and timeline tools.

so I'm delighted to see the talk about using Fossil for VCS tool with
Pharo.

> So all in all, it is pretty nice if one want to move to a private
> souce code management system with very little requirement.

For those Git-lovers, there is plan by Dr Richard Hipp (author of
Fossil) to provide support which "would allow you to "clone" repos off
of GitHub.  Or to automatically sync your Fossil repositories on
GitHub." (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.fossil-scm
.devel/580)

Where can I find more about using Fossil with Pharo?

Sincerely,
Gour

-- 
He who is regulated in his habits of eating, sleeping, recreation 
and work can mitigate all material pains by practicing the yoga system.

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Hilaire]

Hello,

As for now, you have to use filetree, over fossil repo, but from Pharo
you can only save to the repo, no way to fetch back I think.

The GIT integration is more advanced with dedicated GIT package for Pharo.
As a first iteration, I did some code modifications -- blindly I have to
admit -- of the GIT package to decouple it from GIT, to later add fossil
capability.
Thierry was looking at integrating it in Jenkins job, to see if it is
working or not.

But if you are potential Pharo users, you should not waste your time on
the CVS question but discover first the Pharo language and environment.
There are other CVS options for Pharo you can use out of the box.

Hilaire

>> So all in all, it is pretty nice if one want to move to a private
>> souce code management system with very little requirement.
>
> Where can I find more about using Fossil with Pharo?
>
> Sincerely,
> Gour
>


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http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[stepharo]

Le 22/12/15 11:39, Saša Janiška a écrit :

On Uto, 2015-10-20 at 11:09 +0200, Hilaire wrote:

Hello,

potential Pharo user here who just installed 5.0 image on his Debian Sid
and researching whether Smalltalk (Pharo) can be used as language for
writing some multi-platform opens-source apps...


Yes it does

tried/evaluated several
languages, but, considering I abandon idea to use {C(++), Java}, the the
most pragmatical option so far is to use Object Pascal  and
FPC/Lazarus(fpGUI),

Pharo is really working on multi-platforms for real.


but someone recommended to inspect Smalltalk (I was
tinkering with Digitalk looong ago while using OS2)...


Pay attention Pharo 50 is alpha.

I have been trying Fossil with Filetree, and I was rather please by
the mutuals use of these tools. So I may share a few feedbacks.
Fossil[1] itself is a software to manage source code development. It
is very simple to install and data is saved in a single sqlite
database. It comes with source code management, bug tracker, web
interface, wiki and timeline tools.

so I'm delighted to see the talk about using Fossil for VCS tool with
Pharo.


So all in all, it is pretty nice if one want to move to a private
souce code management system with very little requirement.

For those Git-lovers, there is plan by Dr Richard Hipp (author of
Fossil) to provide support which "would allow you to "clone" repos off
of GitHub.  Or to automatically sync your Fossil repositories on
GitHub." (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.fossil-scm
.devel/580)


Yes this is a smart move


Where can I find more about using Fossil with Pharo?

Sincerely,
Gour

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[stepharo]

Stef,

There is no problem.
I just *lack time* to keep moving on DrGeo features and migrate to
Pharo4.0 at the same time.

I quickly try Dr. Geo code on Pharo4 and realize it will need some work
and lot of user testing to get DrGeo as robust as it is now. We will
conduct end user experiment in primary school, so I don't think
migrating now will be a good idea.

I will very likely skip directly to Pharo 5.0, as I did from 1.4 to
Pharo  3.0 directly.


I understand :)



Hilaire

Le 20/10/2015 16:02, stepharo a écrit :

Hilaire

what is the problem that you encounter to still be in Pharo3.0?

Stef


Le 20/10/15 12:13, Hilaire a écrit :

Le 20/10/2015 11:20, Thierry Goubier a écrit :

So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ?

Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same
approach as GitFileTree ?

Thierry

Which version of GitFileTree should I take for Pharo3?

Hilaire

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Hilaire]

Le 24/10/2015 18:44, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
> Hilaire, if you prefer a Smalltalkhub project, just do so and I'll
> make regular merges back into filetree.

I commited to SqueakSource a few abstractions WIP
http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/istoa/
I more or less randomly abstracted the classes but can't test, I don't
know much GIT.

Hilaire

-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Thierry Goubier]

2015-10-29 10:26 GMT+01:00 Hilaire :

> Le 24/10/2015 18:44, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
> > Hilaire, if you prefer a Smalltalkhub project, just do so and I'll
> > make regular merges back into filetree.
>
> I commited to SqueakSource a few abstractions WIP
> http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/istoa/
> I more or less randomly abstracted the classes but can't test, I don't
> know much GIT.
>

Thanks.

I'll have a look, make an issue on github, a branch, merge your changes and
travis will test for us ;)

Thierry


>
> Hilaire
>
> --
> Dr. Geo
> http://drgeo.eu
> http://google.com/+DrgeoEu
>
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Thierry Goubier]

Hilaire, Dale,

the easiest would be to make a fork of filetree on github, and try from 
there. But a branch in the main filetree would work just as well, with 
the added benefit of the travis CI integration (and gitfiletree has 
tests in there). Running tests locally is often necessary, but setting 
it up is a bit more involved (but I should have that in a Makefile 
somewhere).


Hilaire, if you prefer a Smalltalkhub project, just do so and I'll make 
regular merges back into filetree.


Thierry

Le 24/10/2015 18:04, Dale Henrichs a écrit :

Thierry and Hilaire,

If you want to work together up on the github repo, that's up to you and
Hilaire, if you have a github id, let me know and I will add you as a
contributor on the project so that you two can work together ...

Dale

On 10/24/15 6:55 AM, Hilaire wrote:

Le 22/10/2015 10:47, Thierry Goubier a écrit :

Yes, I guess so.

Still, with all the people interested by Fossil, I think the
motivation is there. And it would be nice to see a bit of refactoring
to decouple the format from the specific commands used for the
specific VCS.

Thierry

I started to look at it creating abstracted super classes. But RB
(refactoring tool I guess) bumped on the middle, try again,  then went
fine, ouf!
Any sandbox where to commit?

Hilaire

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Dale Henrichs]

At the end of the day, I would assume that it would be possible to run 
travis-ci tests against a fossil repository which would be very useful 
to have ... but like I said, I'm fine with whatever you guys decide...


Dale

On 10/24/15 10:12 AM, Thierry Goubier wrote:

Le 24/10/2015 18:56, Hilaire a écrit :

I was not aware filetree need to be modified as well? But wait, I can
use it right now with Fossil, so I am bit lost.


No, no. This is just the development of GitFileTree is integrated 
inside the main FileTree repository.


If you look at 
https://github.com/dalehenrich/filetree/tree/pharo4.0/repository, 
you'll find both MonticelloFileTree-Core and MonticelloFileTree-Git 
(as well as the Tests and the GitTests).


Thierry



Hilaire

Le 24/10/2015 18:44, Thierry Goubier a écrit :

Hilaire, Dale,

the easiest would be to make a fork of filetree on github, and try
from there. But a branch in the main filetree would work just as well,
with the added benefit of the travis CI integration (and gitfiletree
has tests in there). Running tests locally is often necessary, but
setting it up is a bit more involved (but I should have that in a
Makefile somewhere).

Hilaire, if you prefer a Smalltalkhub project, just do so and I'll
make regular merges back into filetree.

Thierry

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Hilaire]

Le 22/10/2015 10:47, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
> Yes, I guess so.
>
> Still, with all the people interested by Fossil, I think the
> motivation is there. And it would be nice to see a bit of refactoring
> to decouple the format from the specific commands used for the
> specific VCS.
>
> Thierry

I started to look at it creating abstracted super classes. But RB
(refactoring tool I guess) bumped on the middle, try again,  then went
fine, ouf!
Any sandbox where to commit?

Hilaire

-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Dale Henrichs]

Thierry and Hilaire,

If you want to work together up on the github repo, that's up to you and 
Hilaire, if you have a github id, let me know and I will add you as a 
contributor on the project so that you two can work together ...


Dale

On 10/24/15 6:55 AM, Hilaire wrote:

Le 22/10/2015 10:47, Thierry Goubier a écrit :

Yes, I guess so.

Still, with all the people interested by Fossil, I think the
motivation is there. And it would be nice to see a bit of refactoring
to decouple the format from the specific commands used for the
specific VCS.

Thierry

I started to look at it creating abstracted super classes. But RB
(refactoring tool I guess) bumped on the middle, try again,  then went
fine, ouf!
Any sandbox where to commit?

Hilaire

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Hilaire]

I was not aware filetree need to be modified as well? But wait, I can
use it right now with Fossil, so I am bit lost.

Hilaire

Le 24/10/2015 18:44, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
> Hilaire, Dale,
>
> the easiest would be to make a fork of filetree on github, and try
> from there. But a branch in the main filetree would work just as well,
> with the added benefit of the travis CI integration (and gitfiletree
> has tests in there). Running tests locally is often necessary, but
> setting it up is a bit more involved (but I should have that in a
> Makefile somewhere).
>
> Hilaire, if you prefer a Smalltalkhub project, just do so and I'll
> make regular merges back into filetree.
>
> Thierry


-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Thierry Goubier]

Le 24/10/2015 18:56, Hilaire a écrit :

I was not aware filetree need to be modified as well? But wait, I can
use it right now with Fossil, so I am bit lost.


No, no. This is just the development of GitFileTree is integrated inside 
the main FileTree repository.


If you look at 
https://github.com/dalehenrich/filetree/tree/pharo4.0/repository, you'll 
find both MonticelloFileTree-Core and MonticelloFileTree-Git (as well as 
the Tests and the GitTests).


Thierry



Hilaire

Le 24/10/2015 18:44, Thierry Goubier a écrit :

Hilaire, Dale,

the easiest would be to make a fork of filetree on github, and try
from there. But a branch in the main filetree would work just as well,
with the added benefit of the travis CI integration (and gitfiletree
has tests in there). Running tests locally is often necessary, but
setting it up is a bit more involved (but I should have that in a
Makefile somewhere).

Hilaire, if you prefer a Smalltalkhub project, just do so and I'll
make regular merges back into filetree.

Thierry

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Hilaire]

I will write you if needed, I am not there yet.

Hilaire

Le 22/10/2015 22:51, Dale Henrichs a écrit :
> Hilaire, if you are interested in contributing, I would be willing to
> add you to the FileTree project up on GitHub ... Oops, unless you
> don't want to be:)
>
> Dale
>
> On 10/22/2015 01:40 AM, Hilaire wrote:
>> Le 21/10/2015 22:03, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
>>> Just use the ConfigurationOfGitFileTree available in your
>>> Configuration browser in the image ;)
>>>
>>> Or
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'GitFileTree';
>>>  repository:
>>> 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo30/main';
>>>  load
>>>
>>> Thierry
>> Okay, thanks.
>> Not sure I can handle it right now, there are a lot of know-how about
>> git and fossil implicated.
>>
>> Hilaire
>>
>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Hilaire]

Le 21/10/2015 22:03, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
>
> Just use the ConfigurationOfGitFileTree available in your
> Configuration browser in the image ;)
>
> Or
>
> Metacello new
> configuration: 'GitFileTree';
> repository:
> 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo30/main';
> load
>
> Thierry 

Okay, thanks.
Not sure I can handle it right now, there are a lot of know-how about
git and fossil implicated.

Hilaire

-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Thierry Goubier]

2015-10-22 10:40 GMT+02:00 Hilaire :

> Le 21/10/2015 22:03, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
> >
> > Just use the ConfigurationOfGitFileTree available in your
> > Configuration browser in the image ;)
> >
> > Or
> >
> > Metacello new
> > configuration: 'GitFileTree';
> > repository:
> > 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo30/main';
> > load
> >
> > Thierry
>
> Okay, thanks.
> Not sure I can handle it right now, there are a lot of know-how about
> git and fossil implicated.
>

Yes, I guess so.

Still, with all the people interested by Fossil, I think the motivation is
there. And it would be nice to see a bit of refactoring to decouple the
format from the specific commands used for the specific VCS.

Thierry


>
> Hilaire
>
> --
> Dr. Geo
> http://drgeo.eu
> http://google.com/+DrgeoEu
>
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Hilaire]

Le 22/10/2015 10:47, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
> Still, with all the people interested by Fossil, I think the
> motivation is there. And it would be nice to see a bit of refactoring
> to decouple the format from the specific commands used for the
> specific VCS.
>
Decoupling was my first though looking at the code. So it makes it
bigger than a small hack as initially though ;)

Hilaire

-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Dale Henrichs]

Hilaire, if you are interested in contributing, I would be willing to 
add you to the FileTree project up on GitHub ... Oops, unless you don't 
want to be:)


Dale

On 10/22/2015 01:40 AM, Hilaire wrote:

Le 21/10/2015 22:03, Thierry Goubier a écrit :

Just use the ConfigurationOfGitFileTree available in your
Configuration browser in the image ;)

Or

Metacello new
 configuration: 'GitFileTree';
 repository:
'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo30/main';
 load

Thierry

Okay, thanks.
Not sure I can handle it right now, there are a lot of know-how about
git and fossil implicated.

Hilaire

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Thierry Goubier]

2015-10-22 11:16 GMT+02:00 Hilaire :

> Le 22/10/2015 10:47, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
> > Still, with all the people interested by Fossil, I think the
> > motivation is there. And it would be nice to see a bit of refactoring
> > to decouple the format from the specific commands used for the
> > specific VCS.
> >
> Decoupling was my first though looking at the code. So it makes it
> bigger than a small hack as initially though ;)
>

Of course ;)

It started as a small hack and has grown a bit since...

Thierry


>
> Hilaire
>
> --
> Dr. Geo
> http://drgeo.eu
> http://google.com/+DrgeoEu
>
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Hilaire]

Thanks for the details it will be helpful, but I wanted to know where is
the .mcz package?

Hilaire


Le 21/10/2015 21:29, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
> Le 21/10/2015 21:09, Hilaire a écrit :
>> Le 20/10/2015 16:32, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
>>> Done. The configuration has been updated for Pharo3.
>>>
>>
>> Où dois-je regarder ?
>>
>
> Look the following methods in MCFileTreeGitRepository,
> protocole git querying:
>
> gitBranchs
> gitCloneRepositoryAndCheckoutIn:
> gitNeedPush
> gitPull
> gitPush
> gitVersions
> gitVersionsForPackage:
>
> and in i/o
>
> writeRepositoryProperties
>
> and in MCFileTreeGitStReader
>
> zip
>
> The two definition related methods (#zipForDefinition:,
> #gitVersionsForDefinition:in:) are optional: they allow you to query
> method versions in the git repository as if it was the change set, and
> they are only available from the AltBrowser IDE.
>
> For an adaptation to Fossil, I believe all the main code can be reused
> (same use of SHA-1 commit ids, branches, monticello metadata
> recreation) with very similar commands (fossil x instead of git x).
> The main difference being, as far as I know, the use of git archive to
> retrieve a zip containing a version of a package; I haven't seen the
> equivalent command in Fossil.
>
> The base OSProcess / ProcessWrapper code is a bit long, but I prefer
> to keep it that way for reliability reasons: it took me a long time
> (literaly years) to reach a stable solution on Unix.
> (MCFileTreeGitRepository>>#runOSProcessGitCommand:in:)
>
> Thierry
>
>


-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Hilaire]

Le 20/10/2015 16:32, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
> Done. The configuration has been updated for Pharo3.
>

Où dois-je regarder ?

-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Thierry Goubier]

Le 21/10/2015 21:09, Hilaire a écrit :

Le 20/10/2015 16:32, Thierry Goubier a écrit :

Done. The configuration has been updated for Pharo3.



Où dois-je regarder ?



Look the following methods in MCFileTreeGitRepository,
protocole git querying:

gitBranchs
gitCloneRepositoryAndCheckoutIn:
gitNeedPush
gitPull
gitPush
gitVersions
gitVersionsForPackage:

and in i/o

writeRepositoryProperties

and in MCFileTreeGitStReader

zip

The two definition related methods (#zipForDefinition:, 
#gitVersionsForDefinition:in:) are optional: they allow you to query 
method versions in the git repository as if it was the change set, and 
they are only available from the AltBrowser IDE.


For an adaptation to Fossil, I believe all the main code can be reused 
(same use of SHA-1 commit ids, branches, monticello metadata recreation) 
with very similar commands (fossil x instead of git x). The main 
difference being, as far as I know, the use of git archive to retrieve a 
zip containing a version of a package; I haven't seen the equivalent 
command in Fossil.


The base OSProcess / ProcessWrapper code is a bit long, but I prefer to 
keep it that way for reliability reasons: it took me a long time 
(literaly years) to reach a stable solution on Unix. 
(MCFileTreeGitRepository>>#runOSProcessGitCommand:in:)


Thierry

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Thierry Goubier]

Le 21/10/2015 21:58, Hilaire a écrit :

Thanks for the details it will be helpful, but I wanted to know where is
the .mcz package?


Just use the ConfigurationOfGitFileTree available in your Configuration 
browser in the image ;)


Or

Metacello new
configuration: 'GitFileTree';
repository: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo30/main';
load

Thierry


Hilaire


Le 21/10/2015 21:29, Thierry Goubier a écrit :

Le 21/10/2015 21:09, Hilaire a écrit :

Le 20/10/2015 16:32, Thierry Goubier a écrit :

Done. The configuration has been updated for Pharo3.



Où dois-je regarder ?



Look the following methods in MCFileTreeGitRepository,
protocole git querying:

gitBranchs
gitCloneRepositoryAndCheckoutIn:
gitNeedPush
gitPull
gitPush
gitVersions
gitVersionsForPackage:

and in i/o

writeRepositoryProperties

and in MCFileTreeGitStReader

zip

The two definition related methods (#zipForDefinition:,
#gitVersionsForDefinition:in:) are optional: they allow you to query
method versions in the git repository as if it was the change set, and
they are only available from the AltBrowser IDE.

For an adaptation to Fossil, I believe all the main code can be reused
(same use of SHA-1 commit ids, branches, monticello metadata
recreation) with very similar commands (fossil x instead of git x).
The main difference being, as far as I know, the use of git archive to
retrieve a zip containing a version of a package; I haven't seen the
equivalent command in Fossil.

The base OSProcess / ProcessWrapper code is a bit long, but I prefer
to keep it that way for reliability reasons: it took me a long time
(literaly years) to reach a stable solution on Unix.
(MCFileTreeGitRepository>>#runOSProcessGitCommand:in:)

Thierry

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Hi Stef,

Thanks for this review. Because of its portability and simplicity I use 
it for every project I have. Since 2011 I'm writing my thesis as a solo 
"open research" exercise (before it get fashioned ;-) time line at [1]). 
Now I used in conjunction with STON to write all the thesis inside 
pharo, nothing fancy, just put STON grafoscopio trees inside a fossil 
repo a run commit from shell. Still I need to make STON DVCS friendly 
(long strings made fossil to treat it as a binary, but I haven't had the 
time to explore Sven's advice on this. My proposal on "pocket 
infrastructures"[2] tries to put Pharo, Fossil and SQLite as a 
bootstrapable (install pharo and it installs the rest) self contained 
system for interactive writing.


[1] 
http://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/doctorado-offray/timeline?n=500=all=0
[2] 
https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/data/evaluation/data-kitchen-frictionless-data-moldable-tools-pocket-infrastructures-permanent-workshops-for-community-empowerment


May Jimmie, Hilaire and you have more success into putting Fossil in the 
community radar :-).


Cheers,

Offray

On 20/10/15 11:03, stepharo wrote:

6.0 Review Of Key Concepts

The fossil program is a self-contained stand-alone executable. Just 
put it somewhere on your PATH to install it.

Use the clone or new commands to create a new repository.
Use the open command to create a new source tree.
Use the add and rm or delete commands to add and remove files from the 
local source tree.

Use the commit command to create a new check-in.
Use the update command to merge in changes from others.
The push and pull commands can be used to share changes manually, but 
these things happen automatically in the default autosync mode.



It looks like something that I can understand.
I'm sure that other people will get bored by the complexity of git 
commands (because conceptually there not much in there).

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Hi,

On 20/10/15 13:34, Dale Henrichs wrote:

This is good to hear 

I am pro-git, because well you have to pick an SCM to talk about and I 
do think that the collaboration tools for open source projects on 
github are superior to anything else...




My friends think the same, but usually they don't know "anything else", 
specially Fossil :-). They just picked what the majority did.


Git other than that I am glad that folks are finding that FileTree is 
working for other disk-based SCMs --- because that really is the point 
of FileTree:)




Yes, nice to know.

It should also be possible to copy packages back and forth between a 
git-managed FileTree repository and a Fossil-managed Filetree 
repositor...




It is. Fossil have an import command, somewhere.

Cheers,

Offray

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras]

Hi Offray
  What fossil hosting service do you recommend ?

Thanks


On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
off...@riseup.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 20/10/15 13:34, Dale Henrichs wrote:
>
>> This is good to hear 
>>
>> I am pro-git, because well you have to pick an SCM to talk about and I do
>> think that the collaboration tools for open source projects on github are
>> superior to anything else...
>>
>>
> My friends think the same, but usually they don't know "anything else",
> specially Fossil :-). They just picked what the majority did.
>
> Git other than that I am glad that folks are finding that FileTree is
>> working for other disk-based SCMs --- because that really is the point of
>> FileTree:)
>>
>>
> Yes, nice to know.
>
> It should also be possible to copy packages back and forth between a
>> git-managed FileTree repository and a Fossil-managed Filetree repositor...
>>
>>
> It is. Fossil have an import command, somewhere.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Offray
>
>


-- 
Bernardo E.C.

Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America.

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Bernardo,

I host my own repos. Is really easy[1]. In my case was just a matter of 
enabling cgi on lighttpd[2] and adding the lines at [3] to the 
lighttpd.conf file. There is a place that offers fossil hosting as a 
service[4] and at some time I tried to make my own in web2py (but code 
is not maintained anymore).



[1] http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/server.wiki
[2] http://lighttpd.net/
~[3]~~~
# Enabling fossil
cgi.assign  = (
".fossil"  => "/usr/bin/fossil"
)
~
[4] http://chiselapp.com/


Hope it helps,

Offray

Ps: About your signature, just curious to know where is that desktop 
computer in Latin America.


On 21/10/15 18:24, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras wrote:

Hi Offray
  What fossil hosting service do you recommend ?

Thanks


On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas 
> wrote:


Hi,

On 20/10/15 13:34, Dale Henrichs wrote:

This is good to hear 

I am pro-git, because well you have to pick an SCM to talk
about and I do think that the collaboration tools for open
source projects on github are superior to anything else...


My friends think the same, but usually they don't know "anything
else", specially Fossil :-). They just picked what the majority did.

Git other than that I am glad that folks are finding that
FileTree is working for other disk-based SCMs --- because that
really is the point of FileTree:)


Yes, nice to know.

It should also be possible to copy packages back and forth
between a git-managed FileTree repository and a Fossil-managed
Filetree repositor...


It is. Fossil have an import command, somewhere.

Cheers,

Offray




--
Bernardo E.C.

Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America.

[Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Hilaire]

Hi,

I have been trying Fossil with Filetree, and I was rather please by the
mutuals use of these tools. So I may share a few feedbacks.
Fossil[1] itself is a software to manage source code development. It is
very simple to install and data is saved in a single sqlite database. It
comes with source code management, bug tracker, web interface, wiki and
timeline tools.

I was a bit afraid by the filetree atomic commit (one file per method)
to manage it without much headache with file based VCS. However fossil
comes with a nice command: 'fossil addremove' to add/remove the changed
files in the repo. So it went fine.

So all in all, it is pretty nice if one want to move to a private souce
code management system with very little requirement.

Hilaire

[1] http://www.fossil-scm.org

-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Thierry Goubier]

2015-10-20 11:09 GMT+02:00 Hilaire :

> Hi,
>
> I have been trying Fossil with Filetree, and I was rather please by the
> mutuals use of these tools. So I may share a few feedbacks.
> Fossil[1] itself is a software to manage source code development. It is
> very simple to install and data is saved in a single sqlite database. It
> comes with source code management, bug tracker, web interface, wiki and
> timeline tools.
>


> I was a bit afraid by the filetree atomic commit (one file per method)
> to manage it without much headache with file based VCS. However fossil
> comes with a nice command: 'fossil addremove' to add/remove the changed
> files in the repo. So it went fine.
>
> So all in all, it is pretty nice if one want to move to a private souce
> code management system with very little requirement.
>

So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ?

Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same approach
as GitFileTree ?

Thierry


>
> Hilaire
>
> [1] http://www.fossil-scm.org
>
> --
> Dr. Geo
> http://drgeo.eu
> http://google.com/+DrgeoEu
>
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Thierry Goubier]

2015-10-20 12:13 GMT+02:00 Hilaire :

> Le 20/10/2015 11:20, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
> > So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ?
> >
> > Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same
> > approach as GitFileTree ?
> >
> > Thierry
>
> Which version of GitFileTree should I take for Pharo3?
>

Hum, let me check what is the condition of this one.

Thierry


>
> Hilaire
>
> --
> Dr. Geo
> http://drgeo.eu
> http://google.com/+DrgeoEu
>
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Hilaire]

Le 20/10/2015 11:20, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
> So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ?

I don't know much git, but I guess it will the same

>
> Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same
> approach as GitFileTree ?

I will take a look, adapting should be quite simple I guess.

Hilaire

>
> Thierry


-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Hilaire]

Le 20/10/2015 11:20, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
> So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ?
>
> Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same
> approach as GitFileTree ?
>
> Thierry

Which version of GitFileTree should I take for Pharo3?

Hilaire

-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Thierry Goubier]

2015-10-20 12:17 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier :

>
>
> 2015-10-20 12:13 GMT+02:00 Hilaire :
>
>> Le 20/10/2015 11:20, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
>> > So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ?
>> >
>> > Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same
>> > approach as GitFileTree ?
>> >
>> > Thierry
>>
>> Which version of GitFileTree should I take for Pharo3?
>>
>
> Hum, let me check what is the condition of this one.
>

Ok.

The Pharo4 / Pharo5 versions have a better refactored interface for the
external git commands, which may make it a bit easier to read. The Pharo3
version is functional, still.

I will have a look to backport those changes to the Pharo3 branch.

Thierry


>
> Thierry
>
>
>>
>> Hilaire
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Geo
>> http://drgeo.eu
>> http://google.com/+DrgeoEu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[stepharo]

Hilaire

what is the problem that you encounter to still be in Pharo3.0?

Stef


Le 20/10/15 12:13, Hilaire a écrit :

Le 20/10/2015 11:20, Thierry Goubier a écrit :

So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ?

Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same
approach as GitFileTree ?

Thierry

Which version of GitFileTree should I take for Pharo3?

Hilaire

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Thierry Goubier]

2015-10-20 12:21 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier :

>
>
> 2015-10-20 12:17 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier :
>
>>
>>
>> 2015-10-20 12:13 GMT+02:00 Hilaire :
>>
>>> Le 20/10/2015 11:20, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
>>> > So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ?
>>> >
>>> > Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same
>>> > approach as GitFileTree ?
>>> >
>>> > Thierry
>>>
>>> Which version of GitFileTree should I take for Pharo3?
>>>
>>
>> Hum, let me check what is the condition of this one.
>>
>
> Ok.
>
> The Pharo4 / Pharo5 versions have a better refactored interface for the
> external git commands, which may make it a bit easier to read. The Pharo3
> version is functional, still.
>
> I will have a look to backport those changes to the Pharo3 branch.
>

Underway. It is integrated in the github filetree main repository in the
pharo3.0 and pharo3.0_dev branches; I'll update the .mcz soon.

Thierry


>
> Thierry
>
>
>>
>> Thierry
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hilaire
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Geo
>>> http://drgeo.eu
>>> http://google.com/+DrgeoEu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Thierry Goubier]

2015-10-20 16:07 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier :

>
>
> 2015-10-20 12:21 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier :
>
>>
>>
>> 2015-10-20 12:17 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-10-20 12:13 GMT+02:00 Hilaire :
>>>
 Le 20/10/2015 11:20, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
 > So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ?
 >
 > Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same
 > approach as GitFileTree ?
 >
 > Thierry

 Which version of GitFileTree should I take for Pharo3?

>>>
>>> Hum, let me check what is the condition of this one.
>>>
>>
>> Ok.
>>
>> The Pharo4 / Pharo5 versions have a better refactored interface for the
>> external git commands, which may make it a bit easier to read. The Pharo3
>> version is functional, still.
>>
>> I will have a look to backport those changes to the Pharo3 branch.
>>
>
> Underway. It is integrated in the github filetree main repository in the
> pharo3.0 and pharo3.0_dev branches; I'll update the .mcz soon.
>

Done. The configuration has been updated for Pharo3.

Thierry

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Dale Henrichs]

This is good to hear 

I am pro-git, because well you have to pick an SCM to talk about and I 
do think that the collaboration tools for open source projects on github 
are superior to anything else...


Git other than that I am glad that folks are finding that FileTree is 
working for other disk-based SCMs --- because that really is the point 
of FileTree:)


It should also be possible to copy packages back and forth between a 
git-managed FileTree repository and a Fossil-managed Filetree repositor...


Dale

On 10/20/2015 02:09 AM, Hilaire wrote:

Hi,

I have been trying Fossil with Filetree, and I was rather please by the
mutuals use of these tools. So I may share a few feedbacks.
Fossil[1] itself is a software to manage source code development. It is
very simple to install and data is saved in a single sqlite database. It
comes with source code management, bug tracker, web interface, wiki and
timeline tools.

I was a bit afraid by the filetree atomic commit (one file per method)
to manage it without much headache with file based VCS. However fossil
comes with a nice command: 'fossil addremove' to add/remove the changed
files in the repo. So it went fine.

So all in all, it is pretty nice if one want to move to a private souce
code management system with very little requirement.

Hilaire

[1] http://www.fossil-scm.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[stepharo]

6.0 Review Of Key Concepts

The fossil program is a self-contained stand-alone executable. Just put 
it somewhere on your PATH to install it.

Use the clone or new commands to create a new repository.
Use the open command to create a new source tree.
Use the add and rm or delete commands to add and remove files from the 
local source tree.

Use the commit command to create a new check-in.
Use the update command to merge in changes from others.
The push and pull commands can be used to share changes manually, but 
these things happen automatically in the default autosync mode.



It looks like something that I can understand.
I'm sure that other people will get bored by the complexity of git 
commands (because conceptually there not much in there).

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

[Hilaire]

Stef,

There is no problem.
I just *lack time* to keep moving on DrGeo features and migrate to
Pharo4.0 at the same time.

I quickly try Dr. Geo code on Pharo4 and realize it will need some work
and lot of user testing to get DrGeo as robust as it is now. We will
conduct end user experiment in primary school, so I don't think
migrating now will be a good idea.

I will very likely skip directly to Pharo 5.0, as I did from 1.4 to
Pharo  3.0 directly.

Hilaire

Le 20/10/2015 16:02, stepharo a écrit :
> Hilaire
>
> what is the problem that you encounter to still be in Pharo3.0?
>
> Stef
>
>
> Le 20/10/15 12:13, Hilaire a écrit :
>> Le 20/10/2015 11:20, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
>>> So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ?
>>>
>>> Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same
>>> approach as GitFileTree ?
>>>
>>> Thierry
>> Which version of GitFileTree should I take for Pharo3?
>>
>> Hilaire
>>
>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu