[pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole
hi all, taking photos for the wppd was the first time ever I got results with paper negatives that weren't too contrasty. The weather was sunny here in Finland, but now it's normalizing (cold and rainy), so doing pinholing with paper negatives needs half an hour of exposing. Using 4x5 film would be ideal, but I doubt my skills of developing it. So I came to an idea which worked ok. I took one film out of the Joycam, taped it in the normal film holder, exposed 15 secs, and then back to Joycam to pull it thru the rollers. At first I tried just to feed the film in the dark to the rollers, but every attempt gave uneven pressure and the photos were partly developed or there were nice, tree-like artifacts. I then fed the exposed film back to the cartridge and put it to Joycam and then the photos came out ok. I got more excited about this, so I bought a pack of 600 film, but that film is too big to fit in a film holder :-( After exposure when I took the film holder out of the camera, the 600 film wasn't inside the holder anymore. As I don't even have a Polaroid camera for this film, I tried to develop the film by rolling bottle over the film, but that didn't spread evenly the chemistry. I recall that maybe in this list, somebody developed Polaroid films this way, but probably the films were different. The photos have a bad magenta cast, but that's fixed in the Gimp, and also the image must be flipped. Anyway, much better photos this way than directly with Joycam pinhole, it's so plastic and a 4x5 wooden pinhole camera doesn't shake so badly in the wind. I was thinking of buying a Polaroid film holder, but while it would be much easier, this is more like the pinhole-spirit. best regards -matti
[pinhole-discussion] Polaroid pinhole
Hello Thanks for the responses, If I make a pinhole camera out of an old polaroid will it still develop the pictures in camera? Ben
[pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole.
Dear All I was wondering if could help me. I want to do polaroid transfers, and want to know if anyone knows a cheap an effective way to make a polaroid pinhole camera that can do this. Cheers Ben
[pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole
I just built a pinhole polaroid camera.If any one wants to know any details just ask.Btw,its a really simple idea :) Harry < http://www.figurefoto.com/";>
[pinhole-discussion] Polaroid pinhole
Dear Sam and Larry, Thanks for your comments. I've currently been using a Square Shooter 2 with type 88 film, the peel apart kind. I've only used it successfully out of doors but have found I can manipulate the image in various ways e.g. pressing on the unpeeled film preventing areas of the image from exposing. I pressed on an image of the sky over Coventry creating a 'tear' in the heavens. Would like advice on adapting an SX70 for pinhole and using Polaroid in standard oatmeal box type cameras. What Polaroid film would you suggest? Mark
[pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Pinhole Success!
I turned my Polaroid Super Shooter Plus into a pinhole following Mike's info, and it worked! The first try was too dark. So I took off the pinhole and made it bigger. I have to have the lightness/darkness setting on the lightest, but I'm afraid if I make the pinhole any bigger, the images will be fuzzy. I used 667 film (3000 speed) with the camera set at 75 ASA and took the photos in full sun. These 2 came out pretty good. The coneflower picture is actually a little brighter than the scan came out. http://www.bonkersfiber.com/photos/pinhole/polaroid/selfportrait.jpg http://www.bonkersfiber.com/photos/pinhole/polaroid/echinacea.jpg -- Traci Bunkers Bonkers Handmade Originals http://www.bonkersfiber.com
[pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole question
I have a Polaroid Land Camera that I took off the lense housing and replaced it with a board to size fitted with a pinhole in the middle. It is one of the older Memory Maker versoins of the land camera. The first few pictures I took with it were fine using the newer Fuji FP-100c film, but when I was using it yesterday, every picture I attempted came out brown and the negative side was black. I am curious, as I have not really worked with polaroid type pinhole very much, nor polaroid in itself that much, either, whether or not the film is messed up or if I am just not exposing for the correct amount of time? This is daylight film at ISO 100 and color. Any suggestions would be apprectiated. Eric
[pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole kit
hi all, today I received my Polaroid pinhole kit and sort of managed to put it together. The tripod mount sucks, first of all in the package was so little bit of sponge tape that it never held the camera, I bought some more, but still the tripod mount is unusable. Here's so windy that the camera moves so much, that the pictures I finally got, are all too bad. I'd like to know how others have got the tripod mount rigid? Another problem was loading the film. I have never loaded earlier 669 type film and so I ruined four first photos. Luckily with the kit came another film pack, yesterday I tried to locate Polaroid pack film here in my home town, but it seems no shop has it for sale, only for their own passport cameras. Does the kit's holder accept Fuji FP-100 film? Then after getting the film loaded correctly, the photos are very bluish. They look otherwise ok (exposure) but colors are badly off. Polaroid says long exposures may cause this, but mine were about 5 secs all and development 1 minute. All information urgently needed. TIA -matti
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Only the very old (1950s vintage, roll film) Polaroid cameras developed the film inside the camera. All the more recent models develop the film outside the camera. With the pack film cameras (the ones needed for Polaroid transfers, for instance), the processing of the film is entirely mechanical so you don't have to worry about cutting off the electronic shutter. On the integral film cameras (the ones that develop in fron of your eyes), there is usually a motorized system for ejecting the film and the electronics for operating the motor are a part of the exposure system. Mike Vande Bunt bendur...@aol.com wrote: Hello Thanks for the responses, If I make a pinhole camera out of an old polaroid will it still develop the pictures in camera? Ben ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
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I've made a couple of Polaroid pinhole cameras out of old, plastic body pack film Polaroid cameras I picked up at thrift stores for about 0.99 US $. The first one I goofed, and didn't check the film size -- it took the square film. Oops. After that, I found a couple of plastic body Polaroids that took the common peel-apart rectangular film packs (the sx-70 style Polaroids, which pop the film out automatically, are more difficult to convert, although several people have done so). The next one I removed the shutter and lens assembly entirely (there were 4 bolts with a very flat 6 sided head inside the camera -- I used a needle nose pliers to get them out) taped a pinhole over the front hole, and used a flap of black masking tape as a shutter. Works well, although I also had to make a little triangular stand out of foam core for the bottom so it would sit up without falling over for long exposures. The most recent one I did I left the shutter in place, removed the lens (I can't remember exactly how I got the lens off -- I may have simply pried it off as someone else has suggested) and taped a pinhole in place of the lens. Using the ASA 3000 black & white Polaroid pack film, this allows hand-held Polaroid exposures with some adjustment of the light/dark shutter dial. Taking apart the Polaroids has been interesting, compared to other cameras I have dissected. Their industrial design (how the pieces fit together, how they're attached, etc.) is simple, ingenious, and very unlike other cameras, and the automatic shutter is remarkably simple. Very impressive design and engineering for "cheap" cameras. -- pw __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
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it only does that if you are using either SX-70, 600 or 990 instant film. The others you pull, wait & peel.. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of bendur...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:43 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid pinhole Hello Thanks for the responses, If I make a pinhole camera out of an old polaroid will it still develop the pictures in camera? Ben ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
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- Original Message - From: > Hello > Thanks for the responses, If I make a pinhole camera out of an old polaroid will it still develop the pictures in camera? Yes and no! AFAIK, polaroid pictures are not developed in camera but outside of it, having said that, some cameras eject the image automatically after pressing the shutter and some need the photographer to pull a paper tab. If you modify a camera that auto ejects the image in such a way that damage the electronics, the eject mechanism may no longer work. In that sense, it'd be easier to modify a camera that uses film that needs to be pulled out manually or build a camera around a polaroid holder, 405 for instance. Guillermo
Re: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole.
Very easy to do. Get one of the plastic (non-folding) pack film cameras. (Check out the information at The Land List at http://www.rwhirled.com/landlist/landhome.htm for info on the various models.) Make sure that you don't get one of the models that takes only the square pack film (type 88 film, models include "Square Shooter" and "Electric Zip") since the type 669 film that you need for transfers isn't available in that size. (Models I have used include "Super Color II" and "Minute Maker".) Here's the real easy part: Take a screw driver and pry off the lens. Just stick the screw driver under the edge of the focusing ring and pry hard -- you WANT to break it. The lens assembly is just glued on and it will break at the glue joint. Mount your pinhole over the opening and you are done. (The other option is to use a hack saw to cut off the entire front of the camera at whatever length you want for a 'wide angle' pinhole. You then have to glue an opaque front "lens" mount, perhaps with a real shutter, on to the front. This is effective, but much more work...) In theory, if you mount a pinhole over the lens of the exposure sensor you can make the auto-exposure system function for the new "lens." I believe that you would need to experiment with that pinhole size to get it to work properly; I haven't tried that. The other, simpler, way to get the shutter to work for you is to put a piece of opaque tape over the light sensor. As long as you hold the shutter button down, the shutter will stay open, allowing you to time your own exposures. You will need to install batteries for the shutter to work -- without power the shutter does not open at all. I have found that using a zone plate and 3000 speed film with the exposure system set at 80 speed, the exposure is correct (and I can hand hold the camera). The 3000 speed b&w film can't be used for transfers, though. Your exposures with color film will be long enough that you will need to arrange some way of mounting the camera on a tripod or other support. Unfortunately, none of the plastic pack film Polaroid cameras have a tripod mount built in. Mike Vande Bunt bendur...@aol.com wrote: Dear All I was wondering if could help me. I want to do polaroid transfers, and want to know if anyone knows a cheap an effective way to make a polaroid pinhole camera that can do this. Cheers Ben ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
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Polaroid makes a Polaroid pinhole camera - $99 at most of the discount camera places, try Calumet since they seem to be pinhole camera friendly - cardboard, with a nice brass pinhole, and a good quality Polaroid back which is NOT cardboard. Looks great, and looks like great fun to be had building it. You can check it on at www.polaroid.com. Have seen some pix from it online, and they've been quite nice. Can't speak for myself, though - I bought one for my wife to give me for Christmas, so while I'm looking at the box right now, that's all I'm allowed to do for another week or so. Also bought one for my sister, and one for my niece - we're going to have a family pinhole day during the holidays. Ed Nazarko -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???] On Behalf Of andy schmitt Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 6:25 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid pinhole. either take an old Polaroid camera, remove the lens & put in a pinhole OR pickup a Polaroid back & "attach" it to some form of light tight container w/ a pinhole on it... It really is quite fun. I just came in from using one...similar to the ones illustrated @ my old site http://members.tripod.com/andycam1/aandyAP_c.html Lots of fun..try it! andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of bendur...@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:10 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole. Dear All I was wondering if could help me. I want to do polaroid transfers, and want to know if anyone knows a cheap an effective way to make a polaroid pinhole camera that can do this. Cheers Ben ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid pinhole.
either take an old Polaroid camera, remove the lens & put in a pinhole OR pickup a Polaroid back & "attach" it to some form of light tight container w/ a pinhole on it... It really is quite fun. I just came in from using one...similar to the ones illustrated @ my old site http://members.tripod.com/andycam1/aandyAP_c.html Lots of fun..try it! andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of bendur...@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:10 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole. Dear All I was wondering if could help me. I want to do polaroid transfers, and want to know if anyone knows a cheap an effective way to make a polaroid pinhole camera that can do this. Cheers Ben ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole.
- Original Message - From: > Dear All > I was wondering if could help me. > I want to do polaroid transfers, and want to know if anyone knows a cheap an effective way to make a polaroid pinhole camera that can do this. Ben, The easiest and cheapest would be to get yourself either a Polaroid holder or camera that takes the film you want to use and then you build a wooden box around the holder and or modify the camera to make it a pinhole camera. There are always holders and cameras being auctioned at eBay that can serve the purposes mentioned, these are some currently being auctioned: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1944584085 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1944512695 The main thing is to make sure the holder or camera actually takes the film you intend to use, as there are older Polaroid holder/cameras that may seem to take modern film but they will not, so do your homework before bidding. I bought an oscilloscope camera at eBay, from that purchase I have a shutter like this http://tonopahpictures.0catch.com/G-Claron/Ilex75_4.jpg that I could use for pinhole , a close up lens I use as paper weight and a holder exactly like this one: http://tonopahpictures.0catch.com/021502/pinhole0.jpg http://tonopahpictures.0catch.com/021502/pinhole2.jpg that I also converted to pinhole camera. Disclaimer: those auctions above are just to give you an idea, I do not know the persons auctioning that stuff nor I have any interest in them selling it. Guillermo
[pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Pinhole Kits
I am in Japan where they released Polaroid pinhole camera kits mid last year, and am thinking about buying one. http://www.polaroid.co.jp/product/business/pinhole/pinhole.htmlhttp://www.polaroid.co.jp/support/pinhole_sample.html The sepia kit is about 8000 and colour is 9000. Each include a double pack of film (sepia 606 and colour 669). They were planned to be released in the US last October for $100, but I have never seen them there. Anyway this is a bit much for a cardboard box. My questions are: Is there any reason that I could not use sepia/b&w film in the colour camera and visa-versa?Is it worth buying one, or is it cheaper and just as good to make one from an old back? I am a complete Polaroid beginner (only used a day lab a few times), can anyone recommend the best sites to check out to learn about building a polaroid-pinhole? What old camera models would I be looking for to get the back? Cheers, Louisa P.S. Should it be "pinaroid," "polarhole," or "pinholaroid"?MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here
[pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole kits
(forwarded from the polaroid_enthusiasts list, snipped for size) in Japan they released Polaroid pinhole camera kitsmid lastyear. http://www.polaroid.co.jp/product/business/pinhole/pinhole.html http://www.polaroid.co.jp/support/pinhole_sample.html The sepia kitis about 8000 and colour is 9000. Each include a double pack of film. They were planned to be released in the US last October for $100, but I have never seen them there. -- J.E. Patterson www.lightjunkie.org | www.luxumbradei.com
[pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Pinhole Camera
I finally had a chance to look at Edward Levinson's report on the Polaroid Pinhole Camera that is available in Japan. (The report is on http://www.???/ for those that have yet to see it.) This clears up some confusion (in my mind at least...) regarding the film used. Here in the US the Polaroid integral film formerly called "One-Step" has been relabeled "Polaroid 600". Since Polaroid has not produced any new cameras since the 80's that do not use integral film, I expected that this was the film used. It turns out to be 600 Series PACK FILM, which is another matter entirely. (Pack film is the 3.25 x 4.25 inch format peel apart film most of us are familliar with fron the 1960's and 70's. I just never call it "600 film", rather I call it "pack film" or 669, or 667, or 665. A better name would be "660 series" since all the stock numbers begin with 66.) $99.95 is a lot to pay for a camera of this type. As a collectors item it is interesting, but one can make their own version of this camera for next to no cost. Cameras that use pack film are widely available at yard sales and resale shops for very little cost, often less than $10.00 in good condition. I used a camera of this type for my Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day photo. I have used the Type 665 Pos/Neg material and can confirm that it does indeed produce a useable negative. My experience has been that one must overexpose the print to get a good negative, but if you have a good negative you don't really need that original print. If there is interest on the list, I can write up some brief instructions on how to (and how easy it is to) convert a Polaroid pack film camera to pinhole / zoneplate. (Type 667 is the ISO 3000 speed B&W material that I use for hand held zone plate shots, auto-exposure meetered by the camera's original shutter.) Mike Vande Bunt
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I broke/cut the back off of a polaroid portrait land camera that i got for nothing,added a wooden front box and added a 58mm lens ring,i can screw on any filter that i want and i use the lense cap for the shutter :)i made the pinhole in brass shim stock,btw the aperture is f125. Harry < http://www.figurefoto.com/";>
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ok...how did you do yours? andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of figuref...@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 7:05 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole I just built a pinhole polaroid camera.If any one wants to know any details just ask.Btw,its a really simple idea :) Harry Figurefoto.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Pinhole Success!
Excellent shots! Why not save that pinhole for bright sun work and make another one that is larger for work in less light. That way you don't mess up your "good" pinhole and can find out just how fuzzy the larger hole is. You might find that you like the fuzzy effect. Mike Vande Bunt Traci Bunkers wrote: I turned my Polaroid Super Shooter Plus into a pinhole following Mike's info, and it worked! The first try was too dark. So I took off the pinhole and made it bigger. I have to have the lightness/darkness setting on the lightest, but I'm afraid if I make the pinhole any bigger, the images will be fuzzy. I used 667 film (3000 speed) with the camera set at 75 ASA and took the photos in full sun. These 2 came out pretty good. The coneflower picture is actually a little brighter than the scan came out. http://www.bonkersfiber.com/photos/pinhole/polaroid/selfportrait.jpg http://www.bonkersfiber.com/photos/pinhole/polaroid/echinacea.jpg
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Guillermo, Your note led to a couple of real revelations for me! Now that I have a much better grasp on things, I'll go back and re-read what I *thought* I understood before. I'm also now quite proud to consider myself an amateur. Thanks for the lesson(s)! Later, Trent "G.Penate" wrote: > amateur is the french word for LOVER, of pinhole in this case. > > The answer is not color shift. Why the film's colors > shift is because Reciprocity Failure ...
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- Original Message - From: "Trent Dowler" >Did that just label me as amateur, or what?! Using an idea Imogen Cunningham used before: Everybody here is an AMATEUR...amateur is the french word for LOVER, of pinhole in this case. >Sorry folks. I should have searched before posting. We've just always called it > color shift. Your question was: "why does the Polaroid film packs produce strong magenta tones? In other words: "why does the Polaroid film packs have a COLOR SHIFT toward magenta tones?" The answer is not color shift. Why the film's colors shift is because Reciprocity Failure, each color layer "fails" differently, their combined failure produce a resulting color (shift), that in this case is toward magenta. Photographic Exposure is given by a pair of values, they are exposure TIME and exposure APERTURE, they have a RECIPROCAL relationship, that means, if one is increased by X number of stops and the other is decreased by the same X number of stops, the photographic exposure is unaltered (i.e., 1/125 secs @ f/16 is the same as 1/500 secs @ f/8). That RECIPROCITY fails, though, when the exposure time goes -generally- above 1 second (or bellow 1/1000 second, not important for pinhole), after that 1 second, the exposure time given by the RECIPROCAL relationship of time and aperture is no longer enough, you have to increase the exposure time, not only that but the failure is not lineal, the longer the "uncorrected" exposure is, the bigger the correction factor we need to use. Not only each (B&W) film has its own reciprocity failure characteristic, but each layer of a color film, too. If all the layers of a color film failed equally, there wouldn't be a COLOR SHIFT, but we would still have RECIPROCITY FAILURE. Guillermo (who is just another amateur)
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Did that just label me as amateur, or what?! Sorry folks. I should have searched before posting. We've just always called it color shift. Later, Trent Trent Dowler wrote: > That's a new one on me, and I have no idea what "reciprocity failure" is.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole question
Thanks, but I'm still missing it. That's a new one on me, and I have no idea what "reciprocity failure" is. Although, the name itself conjures up many ideas. Any points in the right direction where I can increase my knowledge about it? Later, Trent, who's off to search my books and the web. "G.Penate" wrote: > > > Perhaps I've missed it, but why does the Polaroid film packs produce strong > > magenta tones? Could it be improper developing time? > > Reciprocity failure.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole question
- Original Message - From: "Trent Dowler" > > Perhaps I've missed it, but why does the Polaroid film packs produce strong > magenta tones? Could it be improper developing time? Reciprocity failure.
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Ellis, You can probably find old Polaroid cameras locally at garage sales, flea markets, or thrift stores reasonably. I've found questionable (might work, might not) Polaroids for about $2-$5 that lend themselves to all sorts of tinkering. Perhaps I've missed it, but why does the Polaroid film packs produce strong magenta tones? Could it be improper developing time? Just thinking out loud. Later, Trent ellis CORY wrote: > I use the Polaroid SX70/600 type camera and as I did not want to spoil it, I > made a wooden pinhole camera to take the film pack. > The results have a strong magenta cast. I tried an 80B filter and > overexposure, this has improved it a lot and more experiments are needed.
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Subject: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole question > I have a Polaroid Land Camera that I took off the lense housing and replaced > it with a board to size fitted with a pinhole in the middle. It is one of > the older Memory Maker versoins of the land camera. I use the Polaroid SX70/600 type camera and as I did not want to spoil it, I made a wooden pinhole camera to take the film pack. The hole is 0.35mm with a focal length of 75mm. The hole is offset to account for the layout of the film.The process is, load a new pack in the Polaroid camera to remove the cover sheet, in the dark open the camera and load it into the pinhole camera, go and expose for the photo, back in the dark, remove the pack and load in the Polaroid, the camera will think it is a new pack and expell the 'sheet' which is your photo, this now develops. Phew! A bit long winded but it works. The results have a strong magenta cast. I tried an 80B filter and overexposure, this has improved it a lot and more experiments are needed. I would appreciate any further comments. Thanks. Ellis
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Aeryck Anechiarico wrote: I have a Polaroid Land Camera that I took off the lense housing and replaced it with a board to size fitted with a pinhole in the middle. It is one of the older Memory Maker versoins of the land camera. The first few pictures I took with it were fine using the newer Fuji FP-100c film, but when I was using it yesterday, every picture I attempted came out brown and the negative side was black. I am curious, as I have not really worked with polaroid type pinhole very much, nor polaroid in itself that much, either, whether or not the film is messed up or if I am just not exposing for the correct amount of time? This is daylight film at ISO 100 and color. Any suggestions would be apprectiated. Eric Hi Eric I tried also the Fuji FP-100c, but the images I got had heavy magenta cast, I used the Polaroid Pinhole Kit and in the bright sunlight the the exposure was something from 5-10 secs. As I thought the colors would be even more off using longer exposures, I never tried to take photos with it in cloudy weather, maybe my results would have been alike of yours. Now I'm using Fuji FP100-B B/W film, but the reciprocity failure is different than that of Polapan Pro and on a cloudy day, exposure times are significantly less than with Polapan Pro. best -matti
RE: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole kit
Matti, Take a look at a page I just put up to show a tripod mount I made: http://www.speakeasy.org/~jlmoore/pinshot.htm This also shows an Agfa Shur Shot that I convert to "The Johnderosa PinShot", but I haven't put up all the info. As for the bluish cast- I usually use a light yellow filter behind the pinhole. You can go lo-tech & just use a piece of yellow cellophane, the kind usually used to package easter baskets, or you can get the actual filter material. I've used old Kodak Series V or VI glass filters, only because I bought a box of these at a garage sale! By the way- I've also been converting Polaroid pack cameras to pinhole for about half the price. Of course, I don't include brand-new 669 film- I only have some slightly-out-of-date 679 (color) or 667 (b&w 3000!). But, the cameras work a heck of a lot better than the Polaroid kit & they're more solid. Some even have tripod adapters built in! Let me know if you're interested- I'll send you some more info. John Moore Ramona, CA --- On Wed 05/07, Matti Koskinen < mjkos...@koti.soon.fi > wrote: hi all, today I received my Polaroid pinhole kit and sort of managed to put it together. The tripod mount sucks, first of all in the package was so little bit of sponge tape that it never held the camera, I bought some more, but still the tripod mount is unusable. Here's so windy that the camera moves so much, that the pictures I finally got, are all too bad. I'd like to know how others have got the tripod mount rigid? Then after getting the film loaded correctly, the photos are very bluish. They look otherwise ok (exposure) but colors are badly off. Polaroid says long exposures may cause this, but mine were about 5 secs all and development 1 minute. All information urgently needed. TIA -matti ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com
RE: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole kit
To all your questions: 1) The tripod mound REALLY sucks. I wrapped black electrical tape around the camera and around the mount. It's now solid enough that I can do horizontal or vertical images. It's ugly, but hey, it's a cardboard box to begin with. 2) Fuji's FP100 will work in it, I've shot it. It won't solve the film loading error problem, that's just a matter of getting used to the weirdness (or should I say "unique features") of Polaroid film. Learning to pull the film out in a way that doesn't give you a white triangle of blank at the corner of the image is another skill that you will find yourself striving to master. It's fussy, no matter what kind of film you use. 3) I wish I understood why they package 669 with the camera when it's the worst film for reciprocity failure. The 689 film is fantastic and I strongly recommend using it - the increased color saturation helps a lot, and reciprocity failure doesnt really start to show up until you get into the 30 second exposure range - I've gotten good color up to 15 second exposures. Take your 669 images into photoshop and use the eyedropper tool in levels - you'll yield a very quaint 1950's Kodak color film look. Some of the newer Kodak color films have a lot less reciprocity failure, they say. I've used black and white, even the 3000 speed stuff indoors and in dark blizzard conditions. Any Polaroid film will work. In my opinion 669 is the worst possible choice, reciprocity failure sets in around 1/10 of a second. And finally, developing time is very sensitive to temperature. _ ___ Ed Nazarko -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion- admin@p at ???] On Behalf Of Matti Koskinen Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:45 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole kit hi all, today I received my Polaroid pinhole kit and sort of managed to put it together. The tripod mount sucks, first of all in the package was so little bit of sponge tape that it never held the camera, I bought some more, but still the tripod mount is unusable. Here's so windy that the camera moves so much, that the pictures I finally got, are all too bad. I'd like to know how others have got the tripod mount rigid? Another problem was loading the film. I have never loaded earlier 669 type film and so I ruined four first photos. Luckily with the kit came another film pack, yesterday I tried to locate Polaroid pack film here in my home town, but it seems no shop has it for sale, only for their own passport cameras. Does the kit's holder accept Fuji FP-100 film? Then after getting the film loaded correctly, the photos are very bluish. They look otherwise ok (exposure) but colors are badly off. Polaroid says long exposures may cause this, but mine were about 5 secs all and development 1 minute. All information urgently needed. TIA -matti
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Pinhole Kits
I am in Japan where they released Polaroid pinhole camera kits mid last year, and am thinking about buying one. Is it worth buying one, or is it cheaper and just as good to make one from an old back? I am a complete Polaroid beginner (only used a day lab a few times), can anyone recommend the best sites to check out to learn about building a polaroid-pinhole? What old camera models would I be looking for to get the back? Cheers, Louisa See the following site for Polaroid pack film camera models -- and lots of other information on Polaroid cameras and film: http://www.rwhirled.com/landlist/landdcam-pack.htm The rigid body Colorpack and Super Shooter models (but not Square Shooter) are easily found on eBay and in thrift stores, are inexpensive, and are easily converted to pinhole use. You just need to be sure to get the 100-series film cameras, not the 80-series ones. These are definitely cheaper than a $100 new Poloroid pinhole camera. The cameras are also cheaper than separate film backs. Without very little work, you can convert one to a "normal" focal length pinhole camera. The June/July 1998 issue of Camera Arts has an article on cutting one down to make a wide-angle body. And the Polaroid Big Shot camera can be nade into a telephoto camera.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Pinhole Kits
I tried one pack of the sepia and wasted a lot of it because I underestimated the reciprocitycorrection very badly. It would be a contributiuon for soemone to come up with good reciprocity recommendations for polaroid sepia. - Original Message - From: Louisa M. Kirby To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Cc: lmki...@hotmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:19 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Pinhole Kits I am in Japan where they released Polaroid pinhole camera kits mid last year, and am thinking about buying one. http://www.polaroid.co.jp/product/business/pinhole/pinhole.html http://www.polaroid.co.jp/support/pinhole_sample.html The sepia kit is about ��8000 and colour is ��9000. Each include a double pack of film (sepia 606 and colour 669). They were planned to be released in the US last October for $100, but I have never seen them there. Anyway this is a bit much for a cardboard box. My questions are: Is there any reason that I could not use sepia/b&w film in the colour camera and visa-versa? Is it worth buying one, or is it cheaper and just as good to make one from an old back? I am a complete Polaroid beginner (only used a day lab a few times), can anyone recommend the best sites to check out to learn about building a polaroid-pinhole? What old camera models would I be looking for to get the back? Cheers, Louisa P.S. Should it be "pinaroid," "polarhole," or "pinholaroid"? -- MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole kits
Just a guess, but since Polaroid Corp. is currently involved in a reorganization to avoid bankruptcy they may have put on "hold" products targeted at a specialty market... Mike Vande Bunt Gregg Kemp wrote: At 11:49 AM 1/12/02 -0800, you wrote: (forwarded from the polaroid_enthusiasts list, snipped for size) in Japan they released Polaroid pinhole camera kitsmid lastyear. http://www.polaroid.co.jp/product/business/pinhole/pinhole.html http://www.polaroid.co.jp/support/pinhole_sample.html The sepia kitis about ??8000 and colour is ??9000. Each include a double pack of film. They were planned to be released in the US last October for $100, but I have never seen them there. -- J.E. Patterson www.lightjunkie.org | www.luxumbradei.com Ed Levinson has tried these out. He added a story about this in the Pinhole Diary last September: http://www.???/diary/index.php?id=188 But, I've heard nothing from Polaroid since announcing a late October release of these. Gregg _
Re: [pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole kits
At 11:49 AM 1/12/02 -0800, you wrote: (forwarded from the polaroid_enthusiasts list, snipped for size) in Japan they released Polaroid pinhole camera kitsmid lastyear. http://www.polaroid.co.jp/product/business/pinhole/pinhole.html http://www.polaroid.co.jp/support/pinhole_sample.html The sepia kitis about 8000 and colour is 9000. Each include a double pack of film. They were planned to be released in the US last October for $100, but I have never seen them there. -- J.E. Patterson www.lightjunkie.org | www.luxumbradei.com Ed Levinson has tried these out. He added a story about this in the Pinhole Diary last September: http://www.???/diary/index.php?id=188 But, I've heard nothing from Polaroid since announcing a late October release of these. Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.??? Worldwide Pinhole Photograhy Day at http://www.pinholeday.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Pinhole Camera
Mike: I'd like to see how to convert a pack film camera to a pinhole camera. Please write it up. Thanks. -mark - Original Message - From: "Mike Vande Bunt" To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Pinhole Camera > I finally had a chance to look at Edward Levinson's report on > the Polaroid Pinhole Camera that is available in Japan. (The > report is on http://www.???/ for those that > have yet to see it.) > > This clears up some confusion (in my mind at least...) regarding > the film used. Here in the US the Polaroid integral film formerly > called "One-Step" has been relabeled "Polaroid 600". Since > Polaroid has not produced any new cameras since the 80's that > do not use integral film, I expected that this was the film used. > It turns out to be 600 Series PACK FILM, which is another > matter entirely. (Pack film is the 3.25 x 4.25 inch format peel > apart film most of us are familliar with fron the 1960's and 70's. > I just never call it "600 film", rather I call it "pack film" or 669, > or 667, or 665. A better name would be "660 series" since > all the stock numbers begin with 66.) > > $99.95 is a lot to pay for a camera of this type. As a collectors > item it is interesting, but one can make their own version of this > camera for next to no cost. Cameras that use pack film are > widely available at yard sales and resale shops for very little > cost, often less than $10.00 in good condition. I used a camera > of this type for my Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day photo. > > I have used the Type 665 Pos/Neg material and can confirm > that it does indeed produce a useable negative. My experience > has been that one must overexpose the print to get a good > negative, but if you have a good negative you don't really need > that original print. > > If there is interest on the list, I can write up some brief instructions > > on how to (and how easy it is to) convert a Polaroid pack film > camera to pinhole / zoneplate. (Type 667 is the ISO 3000 > speed B&W material that I use for hand held zone plate shots, > auto-exposure meetered by the camera's original shutter.) > > Mike Vande Bunt > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
[pinhole-discussion] polaroid pinhole kit manuals online
I just spotted this -- Polaroid has posted the manuals for their pinhole camara kit online: http://www.polaroid.com/service/userguides/photographic/pinhole_ug.pdf http://www.polaroid.com/service/userguides/photographic/pinhole_hndbk.pdf -- p __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
