Re: [PLUG] Ziply ... and history
On 1/3/24 19:17, Keith Lofstrom wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2024 at 02:50:19PM -0800, Russell Senior wrote: So, to summarize: West Coast Telephone --(1964)--> GTE Northwest --(2000)--> Verizon --(2010)--> Frontier --(2020)--> Ziply Having lived near Beaverton for 63 of the last 70 years, I've experienced all of those transitions, from gestation onwards. When I was small, my parents shared a party line with another family; I remember hearing the phone ring and ring, and did not understand that the different ring was the other (not answering) family on the same line. [...] Perhaps Russell and others can tell us about the transitions to Century Link from (Pacific Bell?) in Portland and Multnomah County. Pacific Telephone and Telegraph Company --(1961)--> Pacific NW Bell --(1988)--> US West --(2000)--> Qwest --(2011)--> CenturyLink (which merged with Level 3 in late 2017, and became Lumen in 2020, but is still using the name CenturyLink for local exchange service, although transitioning to Quantum branding for their fiber service). Amusingly, despite going by CenturyLink for years and years, the PPPoE credentials still use qwest.net in the username and you still occasionally see hostnames with the qwest.net domain. Some of those dates are just branding transitions, and the underlying merger dates might predate or postdate the branding changes ... it's complicated, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Northwest_Bell for more details. My local telephone exchange, a few blocks from my house, still has a sign on the exterior with the old PNW Bell branding. -- Russell Senior russ...@pdxlinux.org
Re: [PLUG] email issues
I've had similar experiences with Comcast dropping emails. My church uses a third party company to send bulk email announcements to all of its members. Comcast drops these on the floor with no error reply. I set up a gmail account to receive my church email that automatically forwards to my Comcast account. So my situation is: -> Comcast = dropped with no error -> gmail -> Comcast = Successfully received I can only conclude that Comcast drops email from certain sources without telling us what it is doing. Steve On 1/2/2024 12:10 PM, markcasi...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks for responding. I have checked for spam on both sites (comcast and charter) and do not see charter-to-comcast picked up as spam. I do not see a facility on comcast or charter for white and black listing. Comcast has something called a Safe List. But the site says "When Email Safe List is enabled, only email sent from addresses on the Safe List will be received. All other emails will be filtered out and not delivered." I don't want to filter out "all other" emails, so I have not enabled the Safe List. About blacklisting ... I only saw the following with ThunderBird on Ubuntu. I was trying to create a charter email account and got a message that my IP address was temporarily blacklisted, no reason given. Thunderbird then would not create the email account, I saw no such message on my Windows computers. So, on my Linux computer (Ubuntu), I tried releasing and renewing my DHCP lease. I recorded my IP address with https://whatismyipaddress.com/ Then issued sudo dhclient -r sudo dhclient Then recorded my IP address again but it was the same as before issuing the dhclient commands. It seemed that what I was doing was refreshing rather than getting a new IP address. Is that how it works? The next day I tried again to create a charter account with Thunderbird. I got no "temporarily blacklisted" message and the account was successfully created. It still boggles me why I saw that blacklist message. No one in this household is doing stuff on the Internet they should not. I have a Comcast support ticket and a special number to call tomorrow. My previous experiences with Comcast and Charter support, however, do not give me hope. Interestingly, As an IEEE member, I have an ieee.org account. As you may know this account is primarily a forwarding service. I have it set up to forward to my comcast account. When I send to from , the mail arrives at my comcast account. I am unable to send charter ==> comcast But I can send charter ==> IEEE, which is auto forwarded ==> comcast. You now all these problems started after the comcast data breach. This used to work. -Original Message- From: PLUG On Behalf Of Paul Heinlein Sent: Monday, January 1, 2024 12:39 PM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group Subject: Re: [PLUG] email issues On Mon, 1 Jan 2024, markcasi...@comcast.net wrote: Here is my issue. I have put in a lot of time trying to solve this, but have made zip progress. I even posted on the Xfinity forum but have received no replies (lots of views though) My Comcast/Charter email is unreliable [... lots of good testing material snipped ...] Mail from charter to comcast does not arrive at comcast Mail from comcast to charter does arrive at charter Mail from charter to Gmail does arrive at Gmail Mail from Gmail to charter does arrive at charter My initial assessment is that it's Comcast's problem. Without any further information, I'd say that Comcast is silently deleting or withholding the messages from Charter. I've never used Comcast e-mail, and I don't know what filtering techniques its system employes, so here are two WAGs: Have you checked your Comcast spam folder for your Charter messages? Does Comcast have a way to check (and hopefully whitelist) messages it thinks might be spam? Since you never received a "message not delivered" error regarding your Charter-to-Comcast messages, my thinking is that they were delivered but were somehow blacklisted or marked as spam. But that's all I've got. Your testing is otherwise very thorough and exactly what I would have done.
Re: [PLUG] Thanks! Re: Ziply fiber - fixed IP address?
On 1/3/24 18:31, Keith Lofstrom wrote: On Tue, 2 Jan 2024, Keith Lofstrom wrote: Anybody on the list subscribed to Ziply Fiber? THANKS TO ALL for EXCELLENT and COGENT responses to my question about Ziply static IP. $10 (or even $50) extra per month for a business class connection with a static IP is well worth it - much time and confusion saved when there is no time to debug my ONLY connection (needed to look things up). I know I can simulate static behavior with DHCP and dynamic DNS and proper configuration, but I prefer simple and robust to clever. I'm old enough that "clever" is in short supply. Regards "business rates and business department" ... I learned similar good info from a Ziply install tech (crusty opinionated overall-ed bearded ex-hippie, my favorite variety of expert) who was servicing a neighbor, a few months ago. He said the best part of Ziply business class is a US call center rather than Asian, staffed with people who know the subject rather than parrot menus. We talked for a while, but I forgot to ask him about static IP. Fwiw: I'm not a Comcast customer, but I've heard that Comcast uses off shore customer support for their residential customers. With Ziply Residential I seem to reach call centers in the southeast US, judging from their accents alone. I've never spoken to a customer or technical support agent when dealing with issues with my mom's service that sounded off-shore. -- Russell Senior russ...@pdxlinux.org
Re: [PLUG] Ziply ... and history
On Wed, Jan 03, 2024 at 02:50:19PM -0800, Russell Senior wrote: > So, to summarize: > > West Coast Telephone --(1964)--> GTE Northwest --(2000)--> Verizon > --(2010)--> Frontier --(2020)--> Ziply Having lived near Beaverton for 63 of the last 70 years, I've experienced all of those transitions, from gestation onwards. When I was small, my parents shared a party line with another family; I remember hearing the phone ring and ring, and did not understand that the different ring was the other (not answering) family on the same line. Besides that, the first three companies were pretty good. As I got older, I learned much from telco service techs. Beaverton being home to thousands of adept electronics engineers working at Tektronix and other electronics companies, we demanded a lot from local phone companies, and often got it. It may be no coincidence that the 2010 Verizon/Frontier transition occurred three years after Tektronix was sold to Danaher, which accelerated the Tek plunge into darkness and the shedding of more jobs and local geek talent. For quite a while, there were no "consumer internet providers". The geek cognoscenti connected with SLIP over Telebit modems, and we got our feed to the Real Internet (HUNDREDS of nodes!) through a leased line rented by Randy Bush. That same leased line fed all of South Africa at one point - the entire nation was blacklisted, but Randy fed the apartheid-fighting progressives. Much changed with the arrival of consumer internet. I changed from keithl.rain-net.uucp to keithl.com . The rapid growth of Intel and other Washington County high tech has restored a fast-growing community of high tech geeks with high telecom expectations. Perhaps Russell and others can tell us about the transitions to Century Link from (Pacific Bell?) in Portland and Multnomah County. Perhaps Randy Bush is reading this, and can replace my 20% memory errors with his own. Keith L. -- Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com
[PLUG] Thanks! Re: Ziply fiber - fixed IP address?
On Tue, 2 Jan 2024, Keith Lofstrom wrote: >Anybody on the list subscribed to Ziply Fiber? THANKS TO ALL for EXCELLENT and COGENT responses to my question about Ziply static IP. $10 (or even $50) extra per month for a business class connection with a static IP is well worth it - much time and confusion saved when there is no time to debug my ONLY connection (needed to look things up). I know I can simulate static behavior with DHCP and dynamic DNS and proper configuration, but I prefer simple and robust to clever. I'm old enough that "clever" is in short supply. Regards "business rates and business department" ... I learned similar good info from a Ziply install tech (crusty opinionated overall-ed bearded ex-hippie, my favorite variety of expert) who was servicing a neighbor, a few months ago. He said the best part of Ziply business class is a US call center rather than Asian, staffed with people who know the subject rather than parrot menus. We talked for a while, but I forgot to ask him about static IP. We already connect our landline personal phones via Ooma - which needs a working internet connection. With our current ComCAN'T connection, we also have a copper telephone connection for the fax machine (a regulatory requirement for my M.D. wife), but she may be "retiring" from practice (and the hardwire fax requirement) soon. We connected through Verizon for decades, which degenerated into horrible Frontier, which has improved into Ziply. We still have the ancient Verizon fiber modem on the garage wall, still connected to an overhead single-mode fiber to the street fiber bundle. It may be a simple matter of replacing that old modem with a modern device, then changing a few addresses in the PC-Engines APU that firewalls the modem to the house network. - Last comment in this tooo-lng PLUG post - the bad part of the overhead service drop was that it was attached by an eyescrew to the gutter fascia board nailed to the edge of our roof - a "woodrot-friendly" environment, with nails penetrating soft rotten ex-wood. The whole crumbly mess was gradually pulling loose. I replaced the fascia board, and re-attached it with Simpson Strongtie angle straps to multiple rafters (also reinforced in the attic). In the next 500-year Cascadia subduction zone earthquake, I expect that attachment to remain "rock"- solid (heh), though extreme-ground-movement-tension on the reinforcing wire might dislodge a street pole or two. :-( Keith L. -- Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com
Re: [PLUG] fdisk not recognizing external SATA HDD
On 1/3/24 15:48, Rich Shepard wrote: > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: new high-speed USB device number 2 using > xhci_hcd > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: New USB device found, idVendor=1f75, > idProduct=0611, bcdDevice= 0.06 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: New USB device strings: Mfr=4, > Product=5, SerialNumber=6 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: Product: XT-U33502 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: Manufacturer: XinTop > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: SerialNumber: 20230921 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb-storage 1-11:1.0: USB Mass Storage device > detected > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] scsi host10: usb-storage 1-11:1.0 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] scsi host10: scsi scan: INQUIRY result too short > (5), using 36 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] scsi 10:0:0:0: Direct-Access XinTop > XT-U33502 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Very big device. Trying to use > READ CAPACITY(16). > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] 7814037168 512-byte logical > blocks: (4.00 TB/3.64 TiB) > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Write Protect is off > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Mode Sense: 3b 00 00 00 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] No Caching mode page found > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Assuming drive cache: write > through > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Very big device. Trying to use > READ CAPACITY(16). > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Very big device. Trying to use > READ CAPACITY(16). > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Attached SCSI disk > [Wed Jan 3 14:15:17 2024] usb 1-11: USB disconnect, device number 2 As Russell mentioned, your USB adapter is disconnecting, that is why /dev/sdg is AWOL. Are you sure you are plugging into a the correct port? Bad USB adapter? PRO TIP: Connect *JUST* the USB adapter - no drive - and check dmesg. It should not disconnect (just show 'media removed') and the USB adapter *MUST* be listed in 'lsusb'. For example, for my 3.0 USB adapter # dmesg [603063.361794] usb 4-4: USB disconnect, device number 2 [603067.792014] usb 4-4: new SuperSpeed USB device number 3 using xhci_hcd [603067.804645] usb 4-4: New USB device found, idVendor=174c, idProduct=5106, bcdDevice= 0.01 [603067.804650] usb 4-4: New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=1 [603067.804652] usb 4-4: Product: AS2105 [603067.804654] usb 4-4: Manufacturer: ASMedia [603067.804656] usb 4-4: SerialNumber: [603067.805029] usb-storage 4-4:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected [603067.805311] scsi host10: usb-storage 4-4:1.0 [603068.822185] scsi 10:0:0:0: Direct-Access ASMT 2105 0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [603068.822690] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdf] Media removed, stopped polling [603068.823478] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk and $ lsusb ... Bus 004 Device 002: ID 174c:5106 ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1051 SATA 3Gb/s bridge Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub ... If you do not see something similar, then fighting with fdisk is folly. -Ed.
Re: [PLUG] fdisk not recognizing external SATA HDD
The last message seems to say that the USB device disconnected a couple minutes after it was plugged in. The sd in sdg stands for scsi disk. Prior to nvme, in Linux, storage tends to be treated as scsi disks because regardless of connection technology (USB, SATA, SAS, etc) the underlying commands sent to devices were scsi commands. On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 15:48 Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 2024, Russell Senior wrote: > > > Look in dmesg output after plugging it in: > > dmesg -T (provides decoded timestamps) > > Russell, > > Good idea. Thanks. > > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: new high-speed USB device number 2 > using xhci_hcd > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: New USB device found, idVendor=1f75, > idProduct=0611, bcdDevice= 0.06 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: New USB device strings: Mfr=4, > Product=5, SerialNumber=6 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: Product: XT-U33502 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: Manufacturer: XinTop > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: SerialNumber: 20230921 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb-storage 1-11:1.0: USB Mass Storage device > detected > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] scsi host10: usb-storage 1-11:1.0 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] scsi host10: scsi scan: INQUIRY result too > short (5), using 36 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] scsi 10:0:0:0: Direct-Access XinTop > XT-U33502 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Very big device. Trying to > use READ CAPACITY(16). > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] 7814037168 512-byte logical > blocks: (4.00 TB/3.64 TiB) > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Write Protect is off > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Mode Sense: 3b 00 00 00 > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] No Caching mode page found > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Assuming drive cache: write > through > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Very big device. Trying to > use READ CAPACITY(16). > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Very big device. Trying to > use READ CAPACITY(16). > [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Attached SCSI disk > [Wed Jan 3 14:15:17 2024] usb 1-11: USB disconnect, device number 2 > > But, `fdisk -l' didn't display any information for /dev/sdg/. That's what I > looked for. After all the RAM drives, and the M.2 SSD drive, were the SCSI > SSD and HDD drives sda--sdf. > > Why is the device type changed to `sd' from `scsi?' > > I'll continue looking for sdg. > > Regards, > > Rich >
Re: [PLUG] fdisk not recognizing external SATA HDD
On Wed, 3 Jan 2024, Russell Senior wrote: Look in dmesg output after plugging it in: dmesg -T (provides decoded timestamps) Russell, Good idea. Thanks. [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: new high-speed USB device number 2 using xhci_hcd [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: New USB device found, idVendor=1f75, idProduct=0611, bcdDevice= 0.06 [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: New USB device strings: Mfr=4, Product=5, SerialNumber=6 [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: Product: XT-U33502 [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: Manufacturer: XinTop [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb 1-11: SerialNumber: 20230921 [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] usb-storage 1-11:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected [Wed Jan 3 14:13:21 2024] scsi host10: usb-storage 1-11:1.0 [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] scsi host10: scsi scan: INQUIRY result too short (5), using 36 [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] scsi 10:0:0:0: Direct-Access XinTop XT-U33502 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] 7814037168 512-byte logical blocks: (4.00 TB/3.64 TiB) [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Write Protect is off [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Mode Sense: 3b 00 00 00 [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] No Caching mode page found [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Assuming drive cache: write through [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). [Wed Jan 3 14:13:22 2024] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Attached SCSI disk [Wed Jan 3 14:15:17 2024] usb 1-11: USB disconnect, device number 2 But, `fdisk -l' didn't display any information for /dev/sdg/. That's what I looked for. After all the RAM drives, and the M.2 SSD drive, were the SCSI SSD and HDD drives sda--sdf. Why is the device type changed to `sd' from `scsi?' I'll continue looking for sdg. Regards, Rich
Re: [PLUG] fdisk not recognizing external SATA HDD
Look in dmesg output after plugging it in: dmesg -T (provides decoded timestamps) You can also run "smartctl -i /dev/sda" (etc) to get the model and serial numbers to make sure you are talking to the right thing. On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 2:28 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > This desktop has an internal SATA hdd (/dev/sdb/) with bad sectors on one > partition. I've purchased a Seagate FireCuda 4T SATA hdd to replace it. > > Connected a USB3.0 adapter (powered by a wall wart) to the drive, and the > drive to a USB3.1 port on the front of the case and turned it on. > > fdisk -l recognizes the two internal and 4 external drives (/dev/sda/ > through /dev/sdf/) but not the new drive. I don't recall this happening in > the past with an external naked hard drive. > > What might I be missing? > > TIA, > > Rich > >
Re: [PLUG] Ziply fiber - fixed IP address?
On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 12:53 AM Russell Senior wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 12:17 AM Ron Braithwaite > wrote: > >> I have Ziply and am exceptionally happy with them. >> >> When we bought this house and switched from Frontier to Ziply, we >> discovered that Frontier had *LITERALLY* run the fiver ON TOP OF THE >> GROUND >> from the street to our house when the neighbor cut our fiber connection >> with a weed whacker. > > > Although management changed, Ziply *IS* Frontier, or what Frontier was. > Frontier sold off some of its markets several years ago, and Ziply was the > buyer, and investment group in the Seattle area from what I recall. So, you > didn't switch from Frontier to Ziply so much as Frontier became Ziply. > "Switching" implies it was your choice, and as much as I wish we had more > choices, we generally don't. > It's difficult to keep track of the mergers and aquisitions of telecommunications incumbents, and in the process of reminding myself, found this with some more details of the sale: https://www.fiercetelecom.com/telecom/frontier-sells-off-some-its-wireline-assets-for-1-35b https://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/2020/05/ziply-fiber-completes-14-billion-acquisition-of-frontiers-telecom-business-in-oregon-other-western-states.html The sale seems to have been announced in 2019 and closed in 2020. Frontier acquired local wireline Verizon assets in 2010-ish. Verizon (then known as Bell Atlantic) bought GTE in 2000. As far as I recall, having grown up in GTE territory, they'd been the incumbent telephone company in the 'burbs since at least 1970. According to Ziply's wikipedia page: "General Telephone Company of the Northwest, Inc. was founded in 1964 following the acquisition of the West Coast Telephone Company and later became GTE Northwest, Incorporated. GTE Northwest originally served Idaho, Montana, Oregon, Washington." So, to summarize: West Coast Telephone --(1964)--> GTE Northwest --(2000)--> Verizon --(2010)--> Frontier --(2020)--> Ziply -- Russell Senior russ...@personaltelco.net
[PLUG] fdisk not recognizing external SATA HDD
This desktop has an internal SATA hdd (/dev/sdb/) with bad sectors on one partition. I've purchased a Seagate FireCuda 4T SATA hdd to replace it. Connected a USB3.0 adapter (powered by a wall wart) to the drive, and the drive to a USB3.1 port on the front of the case and turned it on. fdisk -l recognizes the two internal and 4 external drives (/dev/sda/ through /dev/sdf/) but not the new drive. I don't recall this happening in the past with an external naked hard drive. What might I be missing? TIA, Rich
Re: [PLUG] Ziply fiber - fixed IP address?
On Tue, 2 Jan 2024, Keith Lofstrom wrote: Anybody on the list subscribed to Ziply Fiber? Keith, I do. Does Ziply offer fixed IP addresses at the lower bandwidth tiers? Perhaps for an extra fee, or a business account? When Aracnet/SpiritOne suddenly died I signed up for fiber from Verizon. Because my account is for a business, not residence (although I work from home) I was given a fixed IP address for an additional $10/month. While the IP address changed when Frontier Communications bought Verizon, and again when ZiplyFiber bought Frontier, I still have a static IP address and assume I'm still paying extra for it. Perhaps Ziply will provide a static IP address for a residence; ask them. Other Ziply kudos or complaints? I have no complaints about Ziply, only very good experiences. Last year I decided to change the business landline from POTS to VoIP. When a Ziply tech came out to look at the situation we discussed my needs. He recommended a speed upgrade from 50/5 to 100/100. When he returned he replaced the fiber/copper box on the outside wall with their latest model, brought the fiber inside to my office (the former living room), and added their brand-new model router configured for only the telephone. No more fax because I won't buy a VoIP-capable fax machine. I'm saving $30/month from the POTS bill. HTH, Rich
Re: [PLUG] Ziply fiber - fixed IP address?
According to this reddit thread, IPv6 at Ziply is getting closer: https://www.reddit.com/r/ZiplyFiber/comments/17486n5/yeah_i_know_but_gonna_ask_anyway_ipv6_update/ On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 12:53 AM Russell Senior wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 12:17 AM Ron Braithwaite > wrote: > >> I have Ziply and am exceptionally happy with them. >> >> When we bought this house and switched from Frontier to Ziply, we >> discovered that Frontier had *LITERALLY* run the fiver ON TOP OF THE >> GROUND >> from the street to our house when the neighbor cut our fiber connection >> with a weed whacker. > > > Although management changed, Ziply *IS* Frontier, or what Frontier was. > Frontier sold off some of its markets several years ago, and Ziply was the > buyer, and investment group in the Seattle area from what I recall. So, you > didn't switch from Frontier to Ziply so much as Frontier became Ziply. > "Switching" implies it was your choice, and as much as I wish we had more > choices, we generally don't. > > >> We discovered this in the morning, a few hours later, >> someone from Ziply came and checked out the situation. The next day, Ziply >> was here with a horizontal boring machine and strung new fiber underground >> in plastic conduit and we were back in the air in less than 48 hours. I >> like them a whole bunch and I don't mind spending $60/mo for reliable >> gigabit. >> > > Laying service drops on the ground is regrettably not uncommon. Jason > Bergstrom had a similar service drop installation from Comcast. I heard a > story from someone (an internet access activist) on the east coast whose > cable internet service would go down every time the landscapers mowed her > lawn. Instead of installing it properly, they just laid a new coax ... back > on the ground! > > My mom has Ziply now, and it has worked well. I just today sent back their > router, which we needed for her landline phone, after we ported the number > over to Ooma. She has 50/50Mbps service for $40/month, which is completely > adequate for what she does. Ziply internet was just $20/month for the first > year. The landline was costing us $30-something, and about to go up due to > an increase in the router lease fee. Ooma is a little over $10/month. I > don't recall how stable her IP address is. As a low bound, it hasn't > changed in the last week. It might change on reboots. > > One thing missing from Ziply as recently as last spring when I last > inquired is any IPv6 provisioning. You can get free IPv6 tunnels (or used > to be able to) from places like Hurricane Electric's tunnelbroker, and > perhaps others, although they can bottleneck your connections. Comcast > provisions IPv6 routinely, your gateway device just has to ask for it and > boom, you have a /56 (or something similar) provisioned to allocate to your > internal networks as you wish. > > -- > Russell Senior > russ...@personaltelco.net > >
Re: [PLUG] Ziply fiber - fixed IP address?
On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 12:17 AM Ron Braithwaite wrote: > I have Ziply and am exceptionally happy with them. > > When we bought this house and switched from Frontier to Ziply, we > discovered that Frontier had *LITERALLY* run the fiver ON TOP OF THE GROUND > from the street to our house when the neighbor cut our fiber connection > with a weed whacker. Although management changed, Ziply *IS* Frontier, or what Frontier was. Frontier sold off some of its markets several years ago, and Ziply was the buyer, and investment group in the Seattle area from what I recall. So, you didn't switch from Frontier to Ziply so much as Frontier became Ziply. "Switching" implies it was your choice, and as much as I wish we had more choices, we generally don't. > We discovered this in the morning, a few hours later, > someone from Ziply came and checked out the situation. The next day, Ziply > was here with a horizontal boring machine and strung new fiber underground > in plastic conduit and we were back in the air in less than 48 hours. I > like them a whole bunch and I don't mind spending $60/mo for reliable > gigabit. > Laying service drops on the ground is regrettably not uncommon. Jason Bergstrom had a similar service drop installation from Comcast. I heard a story from someone (an internet access activist) on the east coast whose cable internet service would go down every time the landscapers mowed her lawn. Instead of installing it properly, they just laid a new coax ... back on the ground! My mom has Ziply now, and it has worked well. I just today sent back their router, which we needed for her landline phone, after we ported the number over to Ooma. She has 50/50Mbps service for $40/month, which is completely adequate for what she does. Ziply internet was just $20/month for the first year. The landline was costing us $30-something, and about to go up due to an increase in the router lease fee. Ooma is a little over $10/month. I don't recall how stable her IP address is. As a low bound, it hasn't changed in the last week. It might change on reboots. One thing missing from Ziply as recently as last spring when I last inquired is any IPv6 provisioning. You can get free IPv6 tunnels (or used to be able to) from places like Hurricane Electric's tunnelbroker, and perhaps others, although they can bottleneck your connections. Comcast provisions IPv6 routinely, your gateway device just has to ask for it and boom, you have a /56 (or something similar) provisioned to allocate to your internal networks as you wish. -- Russell Senior russ...@personaltelco.net
Re: [PLUG] Ziply fiber - fixed IP address?
"Does Ziply offer fixed IP addresses at the lower bandwidth tiers? Perhaps for an extra fee, or a business account?" A quick Google search seems to suggest that yes, you can get a biz acct. w. a static ip addr and even request to have your personal info unlisted. "As of December 2021, Ziply does not have a "category" that is "residential customer with static IP address". You CAN get Ziply with a static IP address, but you will pay Business rates and be serviced by their Business department. In addition, they will allow you (if you ask) to opt out of business listings so your phone number won't get handed out to companies that make phone calls to businesses. " https://www.reddit.com/r/ZiplyFiber/comments/h8o87o/ziply_fiber_static_ips/
Re: [PLUG] Ziply fiber - fixed IP address?
I have Ziply and am exceptionally happy with them. When we bought this house and switched from Frontier to Ziply, we discovered that Frontier had *LITERALLY* run the fiver ON TOP OF THE GROUND from the street to our house when the neighbor cut our fiber connection with a weed whacker. We discovered this in the morning, a few hours later, someone from Ziply came and checked out the situation. The next day, Ziply was here with a horizontal boring machine and strung new fiber underground in plastic conduit and we were back in the air in less than 48 hours. I like them a whole bunch and I don't mind spending $60/mo for reliable gigabit. Now for the downside, it's DHCP, even if the IP address only changes rarely. So I have DNS parked at Dynu.com with store and forward email. My Synology automagically picks up the new address and tickles Dynu DNS to point at the new address. I do need a static IP for a certain project and for that I use Tailscale, which is free for a limited number of machines (I don't come close). Does that help, Keith? -RonB On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 11:54 PM Keith Lofstrom wrote: > Anybody on the list subscribed to Ziply Fiber? > > Does Ziply offer fixed IP addresses at the lower bandwidth > tiers? Perhaps for an extra fee, or a business account? > > Other Ziply kudos or complaints? > > Keith > > P.S., if it matters, I am in Washington county east of > Beaverton, and currently suffer from Comcast - though > with a fixed 32 bit IP address for extra $$. > > -- > Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com >
