[PLUG] 2017: A year of highs and lows for Linux and open source

[Mke C>]

"Ah, 2017, it was a good year for Linux—one that continued the 
solidification of the open source platform on so many levels. From the 
consumer mobile space to supercomputers, Linux dominated certain sectors 
in a way no other platform could."


Full article => https://goo.gl/xiuCjR

For me personally, 2017 was truly and finally the year of the Linux 
Desktop. Quite a few distros had clean, functional and dare I say even a 
modern look & feel to the point where I could use my Linux laptop in a 
public space and not be embarrassed or feel like Linux martyr for the 
good of the cause.


Merry Linuxmas!

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Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

[Bob Vinisky]

> When you say you "could ping" to somewhere, it is also important to
> say where you are pinging from.  That is, from the router?  from a
> device on your LAN?  from a device on the DSL modem's LAN?
> 

the question was —  "with your router connected to DSL modem and a PC to LAN:”

I took that to mean pinging from a computer on the internal LAN to the various 
ip’s in his list
So, to be precise, from a machine on the internal LAN, I could successfully 
ping both interfaces on the router, as well as the DSL modem.

Bob

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Re: [PLUG] Stuff that I no longer need [all items now spoken for]

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 16:04:02 -0800
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

>Free to a loving home:
>
>The switches all have their wall warts and their documentation, and the
>Netgears even have their original boxes. I no longer need them because
>my shiny new Trendnet from Newegg arrove today and is working fine.
>
>Dynex DX-GB8PRT
>   8-port gigabit ethernet switch
>
>Netgear GS116
>   16-port gigabit ethernet switch
>
>Netgear GS116 (broken)
>   16-port gigabit ethernet switch
>
>CanoScan N650U LIDE scanner
>   USB powered (needs the square USB 2.0 plug)
>   I paid $10 for this at Free Geek and used it with my desktop 
>   laser printer as a copy machine. Now I have a desktop
>   all-in-one laser printer so this is redundant

All items are spoken for.
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Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

[Russell Senior]

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Bob Vinisky
 wrote:
> From earlier tests: Yes I could ping both the LAN and WAN ip’s of the router 
> (192.168.107.2 and 192,168,1,2), the ip of the DSL modem, 192.168.1.1. Could 
> not get google, from either the ip or www.google.com.

When you say you "could ping" to somewhere, it is also important to
say where you are pinging from.  That is, from the router?  from a
device on your LAN?  from a device on the DSL modem's LAN?
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Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

[Tomas Kuchta]

You have/had DNS resolution problem.

Couple of ways to solve that on the router:
A) let router pick DNS by DHCP from WAN side
B) configure the router to use ISPs DNS servers by typing in their IPs. You
could get them by: cat /etc/resolved.conf while being connected to the DSL
modem directly.
C) use someone else's DNS for example Google's 8.8.8.8 and 4.4.4.4

Hope it helps,
T

On Dec 15, 2017 4:44 PM, "Bob Vinisky"  wrote:

>
> > On Dec 15, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Tomas Kuchta 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Bob,
> >
> > This should absolutely work - Unless you have some mis-configured routing
> > or DNS. Despite what you hear about the use of ISP gear only.
> >
> > Let's diagnose this a little - with your router connected to DSL modem
> and
> > a PC to LAN:
> > * Can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
> > * Can you ping 192.168.107.1 ?
> > * Can you ping 192.168.1.1 ?
> > * Ping www.google.com ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > T
>
> One of the issues that cropped up today, as a result of my fiddling with
> the labeling on the router, I now have issues with my LAN, which will be
> attended to later.
>
> From earlier tests: Yes I could ping both the LAN and WAN ip’s of the
> router (192.168.107.2 and 192,168,1,2), the ip of the DSL modem,
> 192.168.1.1. Could not get google, from either the ip or www.google.com.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
>
> 
> "If You want to Get Right ...
>  ... Be Right"
> ... jld ...
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Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

[Bob Vinisky]

> On Dec 15, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Russell Senior  wrote:
>> 
>> To be accurate, I’m in a no-pc zone. We have Macs and Linux here only. I’ve 
>> actually only spent an hour or two on the m$ side of the world. No DOS, no 
>> windows. I was testing on a Mac because it was closest to the DSL modem 
>> .
> 
> I was using the term in the very generic sense.

And I was being flip (in the very generic sense). Actually I was just happy you 
didn’t ask me what distro I was running 

Bob

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Then quit. No use being a damn fool about it.
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Re: [PLUG] Need an OLD style BASIC

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/15/2017 05:12 PM, Russell Senior wrote:

You can totally run a real 1960's BASIC on linux with a PDP-8
emulator.  I have a PiDP-8 that I built from a kit from Switzerland.

  http://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-8

It uses a Raspberry Pi as a host system for the simulator, a slightly
modified version of SIMH:

  http://simh.trailing-edge.com/

I ran the lunar lander BASIC program on the PiDP-8, which was my first
exposure to programming in the 1970s (except I first saw the program
on a programmable HP calculator).


ROFL - worked for DEC Power Supply Engineering in the 70's.

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Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

[Bob Vinisky]

> On Dec 15, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Russell Senior  wrote:
> 
> Fwiw, I am very interested to hear why a PC works and your router does
> not, because that makes zero sense from your description.
> 
> Russell

To be accurate, I’m in a no-pc zone. We have Macs and Linux here only. I’ve 
actually only spent an hour or two on the m$ side of the world. No DOS, no 
windows. I was testing on a Mac because it was closest to the DSL modem .

My description of this issue is fragmented and spotty because of the nature of 
the issue itself - - - a good solid connection requiring minimal maintenance, 
the, all at once, zero traffic out or in - - and all of the normal 
troubleshooting  tasks showed no problems anywhere. Now that makes  no sense. I 
only wished there was a better description of the issue other than “it doesn’t 
work”, but I can’t come up with a one-liner that begins to explain it.

Now, the DSL tech from Frontier gave me a couple of ideas to work on and, once 
I get it resolved, i’ll try to concisely summarize.

Thanks

Bob

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Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

[Tomas Kuchta]

Thanks Bob,

This should absolutely work - Unless you have some mis-configured routing
or DNS. Despite what you hear about the use of ISP gear only.

Let's diagnose this a little - with your router connected to DSL modem and
a PC to LAN:
* Can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
* Can you ping 192.168.107.1 ?
* Can you ping 192.168.1.1 ?
* Ping www.google.com ?

Thanks,
T


On Dec 15, 2017 3:59 PM, "Russell Senior"  wrote:

Fwiw, I am very interested to hear why a PC works and your router does
not, because that makes zero sense from your description.

Russell

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Bob Vinisky
 wrote:
>
>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 2:01 PM, Tomas Kuchta 
wrote:
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> Russell was asking a few questions and after this long, there is still no
>> clear and definite answer.
>>
>> Could you please try to contain your frustrations and answer that, and
only
>> that? There is no help possible without knowing the facts.
>>
>> 1. What is this "dal" - what does that abbreviation mean?
>> 2. Does your internet works when you connect a computer to DSL modem
>> directly?
>> 3. If answer to 2. is yes, what is IP, net mask and default route for the
>> computer connected to DSL modem?
>> 4. What is WAN IP on your LAN router when you connect it to DSL modem.
>> 5. What IP, netmask and default route do you get when you connect a
>> computer to LAN side of your LAN router?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Tomas
>
> Howdy,
>
> Sorry about the delay - just spent 2 hours with an actual technical
person who was helpful.
>
> In answer to your questions:
>
> 1 - DSL, the sole Internet connection available here. I live in the hills
outside Sherwood, so, except for Frontier’sDSL service, we only have
dial-up, wireless, hughes-net, etc.
>
> 2 - yes
>
> 3 - 192.168.1.3  —  255.255.255.0
>
> 4 - 192.168.1.2
>
> 5 - 192.168.107.xxx
>
> fwiw, I believe a solution to this issue is on the horizon. Working on a
fix now
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
>
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[PLUG] Stuff that I no longer need

[John Jason Jordan]

Free to a loving home:

The switches all have their wall warts and their documentation, and the
Netgears even have their original boxes. I no longer need them because
my shiny new Trendnet from Newegg arrove today and is working fine.

Dynex DX-GB8PRT
8-port gigabit ethernet switch

Netgear GS116
16-port gigabit ethernet switch

Netgear GS116 (broken)
16-port gigabit ethernet switch

CanoScan N650U LIDE scanner
USB powered (needs the square USB 2.0 plug)
I paid $10 for this at Free Geek and used it with my desktop 
laser printer as a copy machine. Now I have a desktop
all-in-one laser printer so this is redundant

I put them in the back of my vehicle so I will have them with me at the
Clinic this Sunday.
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Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

[Russell Senior]

Fwiw, I am very interested to hear why a PC works and your router does
not, because that makes zero sense from your description.

Russell

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Bob Vinisky
 wrote:
>
>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 2:01 PM, Tomas Kuchta  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> Russell was asking a few questions and after this long, there is still no
>> clear and definite answer.
>>
>> Could you please try to contain your frustrations and answer that, and only
>> that? There is no help possible without knowing the facts.
>>
>> 1. What is this "dal" - what does that abbreviation mean?
>> 2. Does your internet works when you connect a computer to DSL modem
>> directly?
>> 3. If answer to 2. is yes, what is IP, net mask and default route for the
>> computer connected to DSL modem?
>> 4. What is WAN IP on your LAN router when you connect it to DSL modem.
>> 5. What IP, netmask and default route do you get when you connect a
>> computer to LAN side of your LAN router?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Tomas
>
> Howdy,
>
> Sorry about the delay - just spent 2 hours with an actual technical person 
> who was helpful.
>
> In answer to your questions:
>
> 1 - DSL, the sole Internet connection available here. I live in the hills 
> outside Sherwood, so, except for Frontier’sDSL service, we only have dial-up, 
> wireless, hughes-net, etc.
>
> 2 - yes
>
> 3 - 192.168.1.3  —  255.255.255.0
>
> 4 - 192.168.1.2
>
> 5 - 192.168.107.xxx
>
> fwiw, I believe a solution to this issue is on the horizon. Working on a fix 
> now
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
>
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> Remember, even if you win the rat race -- you're still a rat.
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] com port in guest to usb in host (virtual box)

[Neal]

Denis,

In Unix-manpage-speak, [] around something means it's optional.

Regards,
NealS
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Re: [PLUG] com port in guest to usb in host (virtual box)

[Denis Heidtmann]

>From man stty:
 [-]parenb
  generate parity bit in output and expect parity bit in input

   [-]parodd
  set odd parity (or even parity with '-')

I thought the "-" preceded every control; not meaning negative.  Your
interpretation makes more sense.  The parodd entry and the use of [ ] would
tend to confirm that.  I need to improve my man page reading skills.
Thanks for your help.

-Denis

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Neal  wrote:

> Denis,
>
> I believe "-parenb" means no parity, as shown in your stty -a output, looks
> good to me.
>
> I'm just guessing, not having anything serial or scope-ial to hook up to my
> linux box at the moment.
>
> The cooked/raw/echo/xyzzy settings are way beyond my scope of experience.
>
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Re: [PLUG] com port in guest to usb in host (virtual box)

[Neal]

Denis,

I believe "-parenb" means no parity, as shown in your stty -a output, looks
good to me.

I'm just guessing, not having anything serial or scope-ial to hook up to my
linux box at the moment.

The cooked/raw/echo/xyzzy settings are way beyond my scope of experience.

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Re: [PLUG] Need an OLD style BASIC

[Russell Senior]

You can totally run a real 1960's BASIC on linux with a PDP-8
emulator.  I have a PiDP-8 that I built from a kit from Switzerland.

  http://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-8

It uses a Raspberry Pi as a host system for the simulator, a slightly
modified version of SIMH:

  http://simh.trailing-edge.com/

I ran the lunar lander BASIC program on the PiDP-8, which was my first
exposure to programming in the 1970s (except I first saw the program
on a programmable HP calculator).

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Richard Owlett  wrote:
> On 12/15/2017 12:19 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Richard Owlett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/15/2017 08:47 AM, John Sechrest wrote:
>>>
 What is the goal of the basic?

>>>
>>> Chuckle. I intentionally capitalized BASIC to be recognized as an
>>> acronym.
>>>
>>>
 Just dinking around?

>>>
>>> BASIC is the appropriate tool. E.G. it's silly and often counter
>>> productive to use a cannon for an annoying mosquito.
>>>
>>>
 Or creating value of some kind?

>>>
>>> Value for me.
>>>
>>>
 Or solving some particular problem?

>>>
>>> Actually a loosely defined set of problems.
>>> I've often wished for BASIC to write a simple script.
>>> There are a proliferate plethora of corpulent Basic's out there.
>>>
>>> I know there are tools aimed at scripts. HOWEVER I know and am
>>> comfortable
>>> with { "new" <> "better" }
>>>
>>>
 The default language that I point purple to is JavaScript, since it is
 so
 ubiquitous and since it solves many problems in the default user
 interface
 these days.

 It looks like there are three versions of basic transpired to JavaScript

 https://github.com/jashkenas/CoffeeScript/wiki/List-of-langu
 ages-that-compile-to-JS

 So JavaScript has some versitility

>>>
>>> I avoid Java and JavaScript.
>>> 95% of what I do could easily be done on a 64k 8080 machine.
>>> [I do avail myself of the capabilities of my 64bit GHz processor with an
>>> attached 1TB external drive when appropriate.
>>>
>>> IOW, the suitable tool for my needs is a tack hammer not a sledgehammer.
>>>
>>> smaller is *BETTER*!
>>>
>>>
>> That is debatable.   Most of you requirements seem like a personal
>> preference, which is fine, but it makes it hard for someone to give
>> advice.
>
>
> Nowhere nohow did I ask for suggestions of what language was appropriate.
> I asked for an equivalent of some BASICs of the 60's which would run on a
> Linux machine.
>
>
>>
>> If you like writing programs, I bet you would enjoy Python more after
>> minimal investment in learning it.  You don't need to learn all the OOP,
>> error handling etc, just the bits that have basic counterparts.
>>
>> but if that is distasteful, oh well. never mind.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Dec 15, 2017 6:07 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:

 The thread titled "Learning programming" prompts to ask.
>
>
> I'm looking for a _simple_ BASIC, similar to "Dartmouth BASIC" or
> "Lawrence Livermore BASIC", to run on my Debian machine. Modern Basic's
> are
> too powerful and filled with glitter.
>
> I have mind some simple scripts. I'm learning Tcl which is appropriate
> for
> most if not all of my needs. But my intro to programming used CORC/CUPL
> (Cornell's predecessor of Dartmouth's BASIC) and I would like to use
> something I'm fluent in. I wouldn't miss requiring line numbers. I
> might
> even use a GOTO or two. (an elderly owl does expect to duck for cover
> ;)
>
> TIA
>
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Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

[Russell Senior]

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Tomas Kuchta
 wrote:
> 1. What is this "dal" - what does that abbreviation mean?

dal is his phone autocorrecting DSL, I think.  Also "sip" == ISP.


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Re: [PLUG] com port in guest to usb in host (virtual box)

[Denis Heidtmann]

Galen, thanks for the Clinic offer, but I will not be able to make it
there.

Since my last report I have set the baud rate and bits:

denis@denis-ThinkPad-L420:~$ stty -F/dev/ttyUSB0 -a
speed 600 baud; rows 0; columns 0; line = 0;
intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^?; kill = ^U; eof = ^D; eol = ;
eol2 = ; swtch = ; start = ^Q; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; rprnt =
^R;
werase = ^W; lnext = ^V; discard = ^O; min = 1; time = 0;
-parenb -parodd -cmspar cs7 hupcl -cstopb cread clocal -crtscts
-ignbrk -brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl ixon
-ixoff
-iuclc -ixany -imaxbel -iutf8
opost -olcuc -ocrnl onlcr -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel nl0 cr0 tab0 bs0 vt0
ff0
isig icanon iexten echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -xcase -tostop -echoprt
echoctl echoke -flusho -extproc

What I do not seem to be able to set is "no parity".  I see odd and even
but not none in man stty.  The protocol is supposed to be:
data format: 7n2 at 600 baud (7 bits, no parity, 2 stop bits).


The narrowest pulse is 1.6ms except for a 0.8ms pulse at the start.  The
wide pulse is 5ms with a space of 3.3ms.






On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Galen Seitz  wrote:

> On 12/14/17 21:24, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > Measuring with a 'scope with the laptop issuing the  command sigrok-cli
> > --driver mastech-mas345:conn=/dev/ttyUSB0 --samples 10:
> >
> > triggering on DTR
> >
> > DTR goes from -6.6V to +7.6V and remains there 'till 9.64s
> > RX goes from -2.6V to +6.4V for .48s then again at 2.6s,3.12s, etc 'till
> > 7.32s (10 groups of data pulses after the initial .48s wide group)
> > RTS sits at -6.4V except for a narrow spike to +6.6V at 2.44s
> > TX  starts at -6.4V 'till 2.6s, 3.12s, etc where it has a double pulse of
> > 5ms each spaced 1.7ms. These pulse groups start synchronously with the RX
> > groups.
> >
> > If I want to get more detail I think I need to trigger on TX.
> >
> > So it looks like data is being sent. Is it received and sent to a bit
> > bucket, or not received by the usb-to-serial device?  How to find out?
>
> I think you should first confirm the baud rate.  Put your scope on the
> RX line (assuming that's the output from the DMM) and look for the
> narrowest positive or negative pulse.  That pulse width should tell you
> what baud rate the DMM is using.  Confirm that you have configured the
> serial port correctly.
>
> Do you have a digital scope?  If not, I can see how you might have
> trouble capturing these single shot events.  I could probably make it to
> the clinic on Sunday if you'd like some help with this.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Need an OLD style BASIC

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/15/2017 03:17 PM, Neal wrote:

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Richard Owlett  wrote:


...





Or solving some particular problem?




Actually a loosely defined set of problems.
I've often wished for BASIC to write a simple script.
There are a proliferate plethora of corpulent Basic's out there.


...

I applaud your efforts in doing this Just Because, intellectual curiosity,
comfort food for the programming soul, etc. Richard.

Just Because I was curious I ran 'apt install basic256' and got this:

0 upgraded, 43 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
Need to get 21.0 MB of archives.
After this operation, 60.3 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y

Hmmm, pot, kettle corpulent is in the eye of the dependency, etc. :-)






I'm no expert but several of the extras seem to be qt4 related. I don't
grok qt4, just guessing based on console output.


From browsing the docs I suspect much of the fat is related to its 
animation/graphic capabilities.
It also has some introductory SQLite capability which will likely be a 
bonus.




This was on a Ubuntu Server 16.04.1 LTS box used mostly for Samba and WeeWx
purposes, with little else added from the base non-GUI install.

Have fun,


I intend to.


NealS
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Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

[Tomas Kuchta]

Bob,

Russell was asking a few questions and after this long, there is still no
clear and definite answer.

Could you please try to contain your frustrations and answer that, and only
that? There is no help possible without knowing the facts.

1. What is this "dal" - what does that abbreviation mean?
2. Does your internet works when you connect a computer to DSL modem
directly?
3. If answer to 2. is yes, what is IP, net mask and default route for the
computer connected to DSL modem?
4. What is WAN IP on your LAN router when you connect it to DSL modem.
5. What IP, netmask and default route do you get when you connect a
computer to LAN side of your LAN router?

Thank you,
Tomas


On Dec 15, 2017 7:59 AM, "Bill Weiss"  wrote:

Bob Vinisky(b...@cherrycreekdaffodils.com)@Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 06:32:02PM
-0800:
>
> > Can you ping the internet from the router?  It is plugged in directly.
> >
> > Are you sure you haven't scrambled your ethernet cables?
>
>
> Yes and no  From the router, or any other machine on the LAN I can
get to the dal modem. Can successfully ping the dos servers and gateway.
One of the Frontier techs gave me the ip no. for Frontier.yahoo.com - their
web portal. Interestingly enough I could ping it Tuesday, but not Wednesday
or today.
>
> My brain is now scrambled.
>
> Russell, I have checked, double-checked, cross-checked, and toasty
cinnamon-coated wheat checks the entire setup, LAN and WAN, rebooted
everything that was capable of rebooting, and then, just to make sure,
checked again.
>
> The only conclusion I can draw is that Frontier has made a change in
their system, or, this was their policy all along, and it took them this
long to catch up to me.

Possibly dumb proposal:

Unplug all the ethernet everywhere, then unplug the DSL modem from power
and put it in time out for a minute. Plug in the DSL modem, wait for it to
come up. Optionally, scramble your computer's MAC address. Plug your
computer into it, make sure it has internet. Unplug the computer, give the
WAN side of your router the same MAC address as your computer, plug WAN
into DSL modem. See if that works. If so, use router like normal and go
about your business.

This used to be the thing you had to do with cable modems before all the
cable companies got with the program. They can track what kind of device
you have, sort of, based on your MAC prefix. They can also just refuse to
learn more than X MAC addresses and keep you from connecting a switch to
the stupid thing that way.

Most routers even have a handy MAC cloning feature for just this sort of
thing.

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Re: [PLUG] Need an OLD style BASIC

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/15/2017 09:10 AM, David Bridges wrote:

Perhaps basic256 is close to what you are looking for.  It is packaged
for Debian so it should be easy enough to check out.

apt-cache show basic256

http://www.basic256.org/index_en



Just downloaded it. Much more powerful than either of those I mentioned.
But it is suited to task as it was designed with same goals in mind.
Any youngsters who question that should find what the acronym BASIC 
stands for ;/




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Re: [PLUG] Need an OLD style BASIC

[Neal]

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Richard Owlett  wrote:

> ...
>
>

> Or solving some particular problem?
>>
>
> Actually a loosely defined set of problems.
> I've often wished for BASIC to write a simple script.
> There are a proliferate plethora of corpulent Basic's out there.
>
...

I applaud your efforts in doing this Just Because, intellectual curiosity,
comfort food for the programming soul, etc. Richard.

Just Because I was curious I ran 'apt install basic256' and got this:

0 upgraded, 43 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
Need to get 21.0 MB of archives.
After this operation, 60.3 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y

Hmmm, pot, kettle corpulent is in the eye of the dependency, etc. :-)

I'm no expert but several of the extras seem to be qt4 related. I don't
grok qt4, just guessing based on console output.

This was on a Ubuntu Server 16.04.1 LTS box used mostly for Samba and WeeWx
purposes, with little else added from the base non-GUI install.

Have fun,

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Re: [PLUG] count files owned by each uid

[Galen Seitz]

On 12/15/17 11:55, Galen Seitz wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Can anyone suggest a quick way to get a count of the number files owned
> by each uid, or alternatively, print each unique uid that exists in the
> filesystem?  Bonus points for doing the same thing for gid's in the same
> pass.

Thanks for the other suggestion.

I finally used the correct search terms and found what I wanted.  I'm
running this now, but it's taking a while.

find / -path /tmp -prune -o -path /sys -prune -o -path /proc -prune -o -printf 
%u:%g\\n | awk '{usergroup[$0]++}; END {for(key in usergroup) printf "%-20s 
%d\n",key,usergroup[key]}'

Next time I will probably add "-uid +499", as I'm not interested in
system accounts.


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Re: [PLUG] count files owned by each uid

[Paul Heinlein]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017, Galen Seitz wrote:


Hi,

Can anyone suggest a quick way to get a count of the number files 
owned by each uid, or alternatively, print each unique uid that 
exists in the filesystem?  Bonus points for doing the same thing for 
gid's in the same pass.


Quickly? Probably not. I suppose there's a quota scheme that might 
keep track of such data, but I've never really investigated it.


Less quickly:

sudo find / -type f -exec stat -c '%u:%g' {} \; > /tmp/filedb.txt
# user file count
cut -d: -f1 /tmp/filedb.txt | sort | uniq -c
# group file count
cut -d: -f2 /tmp/filedb.txt | sort | uniq -c




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Re: [PLUG] count files owned by each uid

[Russell Senior]

First knee jerk response is find.  Do you just want normal files?  or
other things too, like directories, devices, links, et al?

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Galen Seitz  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone suggest a quick way to get a count of the number files owned
> by each uid, or alternatively, print each unique uid that exists in the
> filesystem?  Bonus points for doing the same thing for gid's in the same
> pass.
>
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[PLUG] count files owned by each uid

[Galen Seitz]

Hi,

Can anyone suggest a quick way to get a count of the number files owned
by each uid, or alternatively, print each unique uid that exists in the
filesystem?  Bonus points for doing the same thing for gid's in the same
pass.

thanks,
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Re: [PLUG] com port in guest to usb in host (virtual box)

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On 12/14/17 21:24, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> Measuring with a 'scope with the laptop issuing the  command sigrok-cli
> --driver mastech-mas345:conn=/dev/ttyUSB0 --samples 10:
> 
> triggering on DTR
> 
> DTR goes from -6.6V to +7.6V and remains there 'till 9.64s
> RX goes from -2.6V to +6.4V for .48s then again at 2.6s,3.12s, etc 'till
> 7.32s (10 groups of data pulses after the initial .48s wide group)
> RTS sits at -6.4V except for a narrow spike to +6.6V at 2.44s
> TX  starts at -6.4V 'till 2.6s, 3.12s, etc where it has a double pulse of
> 5ms each spaced 1.7ms. These pulse groups start synchronously with the RX
> groups.
> 
> If I want to get more detail I think I need to trigger on TX.
> 
> So it looks like data is being sent. Is it received and sent to a bit
> bucket, or not received by the usb-to-serial device?  How to find out?

I think you should first confirm the baud rate.  Put your scope on the
RX line (assuming that's the output from the DMM) and look for the
narrowest positive or negative pulse.  That pulse width should tell you
what baud rate the DMM is using.  Confirm that you have configured the
serial port correctly.

Do you have a digital scope?  If not, I can see how you might have
trouble capturing these single shot events.  I could probably make it to
the clinic on Sunday if you'd like some help with this.

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Re: [PLUG] Need an OLD style BASIC

[Carl Karsten]

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Richard Owlett  wrote:

> On 12/15/2017 08:47 AM, John Sechrest wrote:
>
>> What is the goal of the basic?
>>
>
> Chuckle. I intentionally capitalized BASIC to be recognized as an acronym.
>
>
>> Just dinking around?
>>
>
> BASIC is the appropriate tool. E.G. it's silly and often counter
> productive to use a cannon for an annoying mosquito.
>
>
>> Or creating value of some kind?
>>
>
> Value for me.
>
>
>> Or solving some particular problem?
>>
>
> Actually a loosely defined set of problems.
> I've often wished for BASIC to write a simple script.
> There are a proliferate plethora of corpulent Basic's out there.
>
> I know there are tools aimed at scripts. HOWEVER I know and am comfortable
> with { "new" <> "better" }
>
>
>> The default language that I point purple to is JavaScript, since it is so
>> ubiquitous and since it solves many problems in the default user interface
>> these days.
>>
>> It looks like there are three versions of basic transpired to JavaScript
>>
>> https://github.com/jashkenas/CoffeeScript/wiki/List-of-langu
>> ages-that-compile-to-JS
>>
>> So JavaScript has some versitility
>>
>
> I avoid Java and JavaScript.
> 95% of what I do could easily be done on a 64k 8080 machine.
> [I do avail myself of the capabilities of my 64bit GHz processor with an
> attached 1TB external drive when appropriate.
>
> IOW, the suitable tool for my needs is a tack hammer not a sledgehammer.
>
> smaller is *BETTER*!
>
>
That is debatable.   Most of you requirements seem like a personal
preference, which is fine, but it makes it hard for someone to give
advice.

If you like writing programs, I bet you would enjoy Python more after
minimal investment in learning it.  You don't need to learn all the OOP,
error handling etc, just the bits that have basic counterparts.

but if that is distasteful, oh well. never mind.




>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Dec 15, 2017 6:07 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:
>>
>> The thread titled "Learning programming" prompts to ask.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a _simple_ BASIC, similar to "Dartmouth BASIC" or
>>> "Lawrence Livermore BASIC", to run on my Debian machine. Modern Basic's
>>> are
>>> too powerful and filled with glitter.
>>>
>>> I have mind some simple scripts. I'm learning Tcl which is appropriate
>>> for
>>> most if not all of my needs. But my intro to programming used CORC/CUPL
>>> (Cornell's predecessor of Dartmouth's BASIC) and I would like to use
>>> something I'm fluent in. I wouldn't miss requiring line numbers. I might
>>> even use a GOTO or two. (an elderly owl does expect to duck for cover ;)
>>>
>>> TIA
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Re: [PLUG] Learning programming

[Tim Garton]

Many universities offer most of their CS lectures online. I've audited a
few mobile development classes this way in the last few years. For example
here is Stanford's intro to computer science course:
https://see.stanford.edu/Course/CS106A  Note that college courses tend to
be more algorithms and theory rather than practical day-to-day programming,
but still very helpful and will give you a strong fundamental understanding
of how to code.

On Dec 15, 2017 9:43 AM, "Mark Phillips"  wrote:

> Google has extended the #GrowWithGoogle scholarship challenge in
> partnership with @Udacity until December 31. You can apply here -
>
> https://udacity.com/grow-with-google
>
> I participated in the beta testing of the beginning Android Google/Udacity
> online nano course, and it was very well done. Much better than most, if
> not all, the online Java/Android/CSS/Javascript courses I have seen. There
> is also a web developer track, if Java/Android is not your thing. There are
> 50,000 scholarships for Phase 1, and then 5,000 scholarships for Phase 2,
> which is the Google nano degree program.
>
> The application for a scholarship is online and simple.
>
> I am interested in the group's opinion of Google's nano degrees and Google
> certs. Are they of any value, or just one more badge to add to a Linkedin
> profile?
>
> Good luck!
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, John Bartley K7AAY j...@503bartley.com wrote:
> >
> > Employment, anywhere in the US, as being a PC hardware tech now resembles
> >> being a buggywhip embosser. Coding uses my brain, not my back, which is
> >> preferred. My Intended is pondering taking employment which could take
> her
> >> _anywhere_.
> >>
> >
> > John,
> >
> >   My suggestion of learning Python is re-inforced. You can use it for
> > almost
> > everything: financial applications (e.g., using Pandas), scientific
> > applications (e.g, using NumPy, SciPy, Matplotlib), database applications
> > (e.g., with PlPython for postgres), and more. Runs on all platforms and,
> as
> > pointed out, has a lot of readily available documentation.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Need an OLD style BASIC

[Dave Lien - W7DAL]

BASIC was great when it was in style. Millions of students got their 
start with BASIC, and to many it was their intro to the computer 
business. This book went into 3 Editions and many foreign translations. 
I miss BASIC. .


David A. Lien - W7DAL

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/411TT7D8WRL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51XXLJL1GZL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/411TT7D8WRL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


On 12/15/2017 7:43 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 12/15/2017 09:10 AM, David Bridges wrote:

Perhaps basic256 is close to what you are looking for.  It is packaged
for Debian so it should be easy enough to check out.

apt-cache show basic256

http://www.basic256.org/index_en

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have to wait til tomorrow to investigate.
According to https://packages.debian.org/stretch/basic256 its 
installed size is ~10MB demonstrating lack fluff.


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Re: [PLUG] Learning programming

[Mark Phillips]

Google has extended the #GrowWithGoogle scholarship challenge in
partnership with @Udacity until December 31. You can apply here -

https://udacity.com/grow-with-google

I participated in the beta testing of the beginning Android Google/Udacity
online nano course, and it was very well done. Much better than most, if
not all, the online Java/Android/CSS/Javascript courses I have seen. There
is also a web developer track, if Java/Android is not your thing. There are
50,000 scholarships for Phase 1, and then 5,000 scholarships for Phase 2,
which is the Google nano degree program.

The application for a scholarship is online and simple.

I am interested in the group's opinion of Google's nano degrees and Google
certs. Are they of any value, or just one more badge to add to a Linkedin
profile?

Good luck!

Mark

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, John Bartley K7AAY j...@503bartley.com wrote:
>
> Employment, anywhere in the US, as being a PC hardware tech now resembles
>> being a buggywhip embosser. Coding uses my brain, not my back, which is
>> preferred. My Intended is pondering taking employment which could take her
>> _anywhere_.
>>
>
> John,
>
>   My suggestion of learning Python is re-inforced. You can use it for
> almost
> everything: financial applications (e.g., using Pandas), scientific
> applications (e.g, using NumPy, SciPy, Matplotlib), database applications
> (e.g., with PlPython for postgres), and more. Runs on all platforms and, as
> pointed out, has a lot of readily available documentation.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] dsl woes

[Bill Weiss]

Bob Vinisky(b...@cherrycreekdaffodils.com)@Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 06:32:02PM 
-0800:
> 
> > Can you ping the internet from the router?  It is plugged in directly.
> > 
> > Are you sure you haven't scrambled your ethernet cables?
> 
> 
> Yes and no  From the router, or any other machine on the LAN I can get 
> to the dal modem. Can successfully ping the dos servers and gateway. One of 
> the Frontier techs gave me the ip no. for Frontier.yahoo.com - their web 
> portal. Interestingly enough I could ping it Tuesday, but not Wednesday or 
> today.
> 
> My brain is now scrambled.
> 
> Russell, I have checked, double-checked, cross-checked, and toasty 
> cinnamon-coated wheat checks the entire setup, LAN and WAN, rebooted 
> everything that was capable of rebooting, and then, just to make sure, 
> checked again.
> 
> The only conclusion I can draw is that Frontier has made a change in their 
> system, or, this was their policy all along, and it took them this long to 
> catch up to me.

Possibly dumb proposal:

Unplug all the ethernet everywhere, then unplug the DSL modem from power
and put it in time out for a minute. Plug in the DSL modem, wait for it to
come up. Optionally, scramble your computer's MAC address. Plug your
computer into it, make sure it has internet. Unplug the computer, give the
WAN side of your router the same MAC address as your computer, plug WAN
into DSL modem. See if that works. If so, use router like normal and go
about your business.

This used to be the thing you had to do with cable modems before all the
cable companies got with the program. They can track what kind of device
you have, sort of, based on your MAC prefix. They can also just refuse to
learn more than X MAC addresses and keep you from connecting a switch to
the stupid thing that way.

Most routers even have a handy MAC cloning feature for just this sort of
thing.

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Re: [PLUG] Need an OLD style BASIC

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/15/2017 09:10 AM, David Bridges wrote:

Perhaps basic256 is close to what you are looking for.  It is packaged
for Debian so it should be easy enough to check out.

apt-cache show basic256

http://www.basic256.org/index_en

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size is ~10MB demonstrating lack fluff.


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Re: [PLUG] Need an OLD style BASIC

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017, Richard Owlett wrote:


IOW, the suitable tool for my needs is a tack hammer not a sledgehammer.
smaller is *BETTER*!


  Consider bash scripts with the assistance of sed, awk, grep, and other
tools you already have in your debian installation. The entire UNIX/linux
system is based on small tools each doing one thing very well that can be
assembled like a LEGO kit to do whatever you want.

  Or, get a copy of IBM's PC/DOS 6.0 and run it on an 8088 PC-1.

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Re: [PLUG] Need an OLD style BASIC

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/15/2017 08:47 AM, John Sechrest wrote:

What is the goal of the basic?


Chuckle. I intentionally capitalized BASIC to be recognized as an acronym.



Just dinking around?


BASIC is the appropriate tool. E.G. it's silly and often counter 
productive to use a cannon for an annoying mosquito.




Or creating value of some kind?


Value for me.



Or solving some particular problem?


Actually a loosely defined set of problems.
I've often wished for BASIC to write a simple script.
There are a proliferate plethora of corpulent Basic's out there.

I know there are tools aimed at scripts. HOWEVER I know and am 
comfortable with { "new" <> "better" }




The default language that I point purple to is JavaScript, since it is so
ubiquitous and since it solves many problems in the default user interface
these days.

It looks like there are three versions of basic transpired to JavaScript

https://github.com/jashkenas/CoffeeScript/wiki/List-of-languages-that-compile-to-JS

So JavaScript has some versitility


I avoid Java and JavaScript.
95% of what I do could easily be done on a 64k 8080 machine.
[I do avail myself of the capabilities of my 64bit GHz processor with an 
attached 1TB external drive when appropriate.


IOW, the suitable tool for my needs is a tack hammer not a sledgehammer.

smaller is *BETTER*!







On Dec 15, 2017 6:07 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:


The thread titled "Learning programming" prompts to ask.

I'm looking for a _simple_ BASIC, similar to "Dartmouth BASIC" or
"Lawrence Livermore BASIC", to run on my Debian machine. Modern Basic's are
too powerful and filled with glitter.

I have mind some simple scripts. I'm learning Tcl which is appropriate for
most if not all of my needs. But my intro to programming used CORC/CUPL
(Cornell's predecessor of Dartmouth's BASIC) and I would like to use
something I'm fluent in. I wouldn't miss requiring line numbers. I might
even use a GOTO or two. (an elderly owl does expect to duck for cover ;)

TIA


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Re: [PLUG] Need an OLD style BASIC

[David Bridges]

Perhaps basic256 is close to what you are looking for.  It is packaged
for Debian so it should be easy enough to check out.

apt-cache show basic256

http://www.basic256.org/index_en

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On Fri, 2017-12-15 at 16:47 +0200, John Sechrest wrote:
> What is the goal of the basic?
> 
> Just dinking around?
> 
> Or creating value of some kind?
> 
> Or solving some particular problem?
> 
> The default language that I point purple to is JavaScript, since it
> is so
> ubiquitous and since it solves many problems in the default user
> interface
> these days.
> 
> It looks like there are three versions of basic transpired to
> JavaScript
> 
> https://github.com/jashkenas/CoffeeScript/wiki/List-of-languages-that
> -compile-to-JS
> 
> So JavaScript has some versitility
> 
> On Dec 15, 2017 6:07 AM, "Richard Owlett" 
> wrote:
> 
> > The thread titled "Learning programming" prompts to ask.
> > 
> > I'm looking for a _simple_ BASIC, similar to "Dartmouth BASIC" or
> > "Lawrence Livermore BASIC", to run on my Debian machine. Modern
> > Basic's are
> > too powerful and filled with glitter.
> > 
> > I have mind some simple scripts. I'm learning Tcl which is
> > appropriate for
> > most if not all of my needs. But my intro to programming used
> > CORC/CUPL
> > (Cornell's predecessor of Dartmouth's BASIC) and I would like to
> > use
> > something I'm fluent in. I wouldn't miss requiring line numbers. I
> > might
> > even use a GOTO or two. (an elderly owl does expect to duck for
> > cover ;)
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
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Re: [PLUG] Need an OLD style BASIC

[John Sechrest]

What is the goal of the basic?

Just dinking around?

Or creating value of some kind?

Or solving some particular problem?

The default language that I point purple to is JavaScript, since it is so
ubiquitous and since it solves many problems in the default user interface
these days.

It looks like there are three versions of basic transpired to JavaScript

https://github.com/jashkenas/CoffeeScript/wiki/List-of-languages-that-compile-to-JS

So JavaScript has some versitility

On Dec 15, 2017 6:07 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:

> The thread titled "Learning programming" prompts to ask.
>
> I'm looking for a _simple_ BASIC, similar to "Dartmouth BASIC" or
> "Lawrence Livermore BASIC", to run on my Debian machine. Modern Basic's are
> too powerful and filled with glitter.
>
> I have mind some simple scripts. I'm learning Tcl which is appropriate for
> most if not all of my needs. But my intro to programming used CORC/CUPL
> (Cornell's predecessor of Dartmouth's BASIC) and I would like to use
> something I'm fluent in. I wouldn't miss requiring line numbers. I might
> even use a GOTO or two. (an elderly owl does expect to duck for cover ;)
>
> TIA
>
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[PLUG] Need an OLD style BASIC

[Richard Owlett]

The thread titled "Learning programming" prompts to ask.

I'm looking for a _simple_ BASIC, similar to "Dartmouth BASIC" or 
"Lawrence Livermore BASIC", to run on my Debian machine. Modern Basic's 
are too powerful and filled with glitter.


I have mind some simple scripts. I'm learning Tcl which is appropriate 
for most if not all of my needs. But my intro to programming used 
CORC/CUPL (Cornell's predecessor of Dartmouth's BASIC) and I would like 
to use something I'm fluent in. I wouldn't miss requiring line numbers. 
I might even use a GOTO or two. (an elderly owl does expect to duck for 
cover ;)


TIA


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