Re: OT Humidity, was time off

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Water can be made fit to drink again.  I'm reminded of the joke that 
says:  What do they make today's coffee with on the space station?  
Yesterday's coffee.


On 6/22/24 06:36, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Can water for agricultural use be reclaimed? Other than it eventually 
making its way back into the water table?


Water could also be recycled/treated such that it's good for 
agricultural use but not for consumption, which I imagine would be 
cheaper than fully reclaiming the water, which could then be used for 
agriculture rather than fresh water. The extra... lets call them 
nutrients... that are unsuitable for human consumption may help 
fertilize the plants as well.
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Re: OT Humidity, was time off

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks for reminding me of George Carlin's Things to watch out for.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwEKx1P7AOA

On 6/22/24 19:49, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss said on Sat, 22 Jun 2024 09:05:35 -0400


Long term - I don't think the growth curve AZ is on is sustainable
without burying the water transport (converting canals to pipes) to
avoid evaporation from the exposed surface, but that has it's own set
of issues as well.

Short term - it scares me. The situation is tenable, but it's on a
razor's edge, and if there are issues with the dams/reservoirs, and
the supply, it's going to hurt. A lot.

Ugh! Long term every place on earth is in danger. I live in Florida,
where because of increasing frequency of category 3 through 5
hurricanes, house insurance will soon be unavailable. On moving to
Orlando in 1998, summer bicycle riding was uncomfortable but doable.
With a hotter climate and developers cutting down solar energy
absorbing trees, in June through September you can ride only the first
2 hours after sunrise and the last 2 hours before sunset.

California is burning up, literally. Fires all over the place.

When I lived in Chicago 1949-1980, a window fan would suffice. Now
Chicagoans die in heat events because their homes and apartments were
(understandably at the time) built without air conditioning.

At various parts of the midwest, farmers suffer because alternating
floods and droughts raise their crop insurance to the point of
non-profitability. Food will become less and less available to the
non-rich.

Small islands are getting drowned by higher water levels.
China, India and Mexico City have horrible pollution, and people are
dying from respiratory problems.

As development encroaches on formerly uninhabited areas,
oxygen-supplying trees disappear and new-to-human microbes are let
loose.

There will be a worldwide population decline. I hope it's done with
birth control, but fear it will be from heat, floods, disease, and
scarcity.

How's that for OT :_)

SteveT

Steve Litt

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Re: kaspersky

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks for mentioning it.  This is the first I've heard of the ban.  The 
fact that the Biden regime wants me to not use it makes me want to use 
it.  However it is from Russia and A lot of cyber criminals are based in 
Russia. Also there's really no way to know whether or not it has some 
security hole in it that Putin ordered be put there.  This is why I 
don't use it and why I haven't used it.


On 6/22/24 20:02, wheelie207 via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I'm sure most of you have heard about kaspersky now being banned from 
the U.S. I figured that was going to happen since Russia has control 
over business in that country and a national security threat to the 
U.S

Is anyone else surprised by this.

Harold Hartley

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Re: I don't know what to do.

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

If you tell us about what you need idea, we might be able to give you a 
better answer.  As it is, I have to guess.  Are you having trouble 
deciding whether to vote for the former senator from the state of  
senility or the orange skinned real estate developer from Florida?  Are 
you trying to come up with a plot for revenge against an ex wife?  
Perhaps you're trying to figure out why Walmart management thinks 
they'll go straight to hell for keeping their stores stocked.  Maybe 
you're wondering why government is suddenly issuing excessive heat 
warnings for the Phoenix area when it's always been this hot.  How do 
idiots forget the baby they left in the car parked outside until it's 
too late.  Maybe you're wondering why the homeless downtown don't go to 
someplace cooler like Flagstaff.



Unless you tell us, we can't help you.

On 6/14/24 14:33, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Any ideas?

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Re: Raspberry Pi4 USB SSD adapters

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I don't have any nvme drives.  The SSDs I have are sata.

Thanks for your reply.  I ordered another of the same model adapter I 
have that works.  I'll use it when it arrives.


On 6/2/24 04:13, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
The pi4 has a native pcie slot and there are nvme hats that take 
advantage of this to mount nvme drives to this pcie bus.


On Fri, May 31, 2024, 7:50 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


I have a Raspberry Pi4 and I've had trouble with some adapters for
some
sata ssds I've tried using with it. I have several usb3 adapters that
don't support uasp. When I try using one, the speeds are slow and
I get
lots of errors.  I looked this up online and everything I saw
about it
said that some usb3 ssd adapters don't support uasp and a system
trying
to use it will get slow speeds and lots of errors. Some of the
stuff I
read says how to get the manufacturer and model id numbers and put
them
in /boot/firmware/cmdline.txt so the system will not try using
uasp with
those devices.  In  the cmdline.txt file on my Pi4, I have the
following
at the front of cmdline.txt:

usb-storage-quirks-152d:0578:u (152d:0578 is the manufacturer and
device numbers for the device in question.)

This is supposed to tell the system not to use uasp on the specified
device.  I tried that, and rebooted the pi, but still have the
problem.
The only way I got it working was to plug the second drive into a
usb2
port.  It's a bit slower, but works.

Here it told how to identify the device and how to modify
cmdline.txt to
tell the system not to use uasp with the device
https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=245931

The cmdline.txt file starts with usb-storage-quirks-152d:0578:u

Typing lsusb identifies the device.

$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 14b0:0206 StarTech.com Ltd.  Vi550 S3 This one
works. The drive the pi boots from is connected to it.

Bus 001 Device 003: ID 152d:0578 JMicron Technology Corp. /
JMicron USA
Technology Corp. JMS578 SATA 6Gb/s This is the one I'm having
trouble with.

It does not work without lots of errors. I only got it working by
putting it in a usb2 port.  Is there any way to test whether or not a
device supports uasp?

Thanks for any help you can send my way.

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Raspberry Pi4 USB SSD adapters

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I have a Raspberry Pi4 and I've had trouble with some adapters for some 
sata ssds I've tried using with it. I have several usb3 adapters that 
don't support uasp. When I try using one, the speeds are slow and I get 
lots of errors.  I looked this up online and everything I saw about it 
said that some usb3 ssd adapters don't support uasp and a  system trying 
to use it will get slow speeds and lots of errors. Some of the stuff I 
read says how to get the manufacturer and model id numbers and put them 
in /boot/firmware/cmdline.txt so the system will not try using uasp with 
those devices.  In  the cmdline.txt file on my Pi4, I have the following 
at the front of cmdline.txt:


usb-storage-quirks-152d:0578:u (152d:0578 is the manufacturer and   
device numbers for the device in question.)


This is supposed to tell the system not to use uasp on the specified 
device.  I tried that, and rebooted the pi, but still have the problem. 
The only way I got it working was to plug the second drive into a usb2 
port.  It's a bit slower, but works.


Here it told how to identify the device and how to modify cmdline.txt to 
tell the system not to use uasp with the device

https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=245931

The cmdline.txt file starts with usb-storage-quirks-152d:0578:u

Typing lsusb identifies the device.

$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 14b0:0206 StarTech.com Ltd.  Vi550 S3  This one 
works. The drive the pi boots from is connected to it.


Bus 001 Device 003: ID 152d:0578 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA 
Technology Corp. JMS578 SATA 6Gb/s This is the one I'm having trouble with.


It does not work without lots of errors. I only got it working by 
putting it in a usb2 port.  Is there any way to test whether or not a 
device supports uasp?


Thanks for any help you can send my way.

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Re: will windows fit?

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I have Kubuntu 22.04 installed.  It takes 33GB for the OS and the 
software I installed.  Here's what df -h returns

/dev/sda1 916G   33G  837G   4% /
/dev/sdb1 1.9T  1.5T  277G  85% /home/

I've been referring to windows as Bill's bugware.  I guess I should 
start calling it Bill's bloatware.


On 5/28/24 12:28, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

as I expected

On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 2:28 PM rusty via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


hmm.  I thought he was asking about WINDOWs fitting. But while
we're on the topic of Linux fitting, here's my Linux DF for / and
/home:

/dev/sda2        37G   26G  9.6G  73% /
/dev/sdb2       1.8T  1.7T   18G  99% /home

So, ignoring home, my laptop Linux Mint fits fine in 30G.  And
I've got LOTS of 'junk' loaded.  At my last job, I allocated
around 30G for the Linux partition, if I remember right, which was
pretty much a default install of Linux Mint.

That being said, here are some sizes for the virtual PCs I've
created for the class I teach:

Ubuntu2.2: 28.92 GB
Ubuntu2.2: 25.85 GB.
MicroOS: 34.46GB
EdUbuntu: 24.0GB
CentOS: 30.15GB

Note that these were 'mostly' 'standard' installs, but obviously
YMMV! (especially since MY mileage varied!)

Now, I also did a Windows install, W11 or W10 I think, and I don't
think I added much to it, and it took 50.0GB

So, for Windows I agree that you're probably out of luck getting
it in to 30GB! ;-)

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Re: will windows fit?

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

64GB That's crazy.  I have Kubuntu 22.04 installed.  The drive it boots 
from has33GB in use.  That's the OS and the software I installed.


On 5/28/24 13:40, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks for the tip!

On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 4:13 PM  wrote:

I asked Google "how much disk space is needed for windows 11",
and it told me:

---
64 GB
Storage: 64 GB or larger storage device. If your PC does not have a
large enough storage drive, there are sometimes options for upgrading
the drive.
---

ChatGPT said :

---
The disk space required for Windows 11 can vary depending on the
specific version and any additional features or applications you may
want to install. However, Microsoft has provided minimum system
requirements for Windows 11, including disk space. As of my last
update,
Microsoft recommends a minimum of 64 GB of storage for Windows 11.
However, it's advisable to have more space available, especially
if you
plan to install additional software, store files, or allow for system
updates and temporary files.
---

Makes me nostalgic for the box set of 4 or 5 micro floppies for
RedHat
4.2 circa 1998 Yikes!!

Don't forget you will need 8GB of RAM at a minimum.


Keith



On 2024-05-28 12:28, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> as I expected
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 2:28 PM rusty via PLUG-discuss
>  wrote:
>
>> hmm.  I thought he was asking about WINDOWs fitting. But while
>> we're on the topic of Linux fitting, here's my Linux DF for / and
>> /home:
>>
>> /dev/sda2        37G   26G  9.6G  73% /
>> /dev/sdb2       1.8T  1.7T   18G  99% /home
>>
>> So, ignoring home, my laptop Linux Mint fits fine in 30G.  And I've
>> got LOTS of 'junk' loaded.  At my last job, I allocated around 30G
>> for the Linux partition, if I remember right, which was pretty much
>> a default install of Linux Mint.
>>
>> That being said, here are some sizes for the virtual PCs I've
>> created for the class I teach:
>>
>> Ubuntu2.2: 28.92 GB
>> Ubuntu2.2: 25.85 GB.
>> MicroOS: 34.46GB
>> EdUbuntu: 24.0GB
>> CentOS: 30.15GB
>>
>> Note that these were 'mostly' 'standard' installs, but obviously
>> YMMV! (especially since MY mileage varied!)
>>
>> Now, I also did a Windows install, W11 or W10 I think, and I don't
>> think I added much to it, and it took 50.0GB
>>
>> So, for Windows I agree that you're probably out of luck getting it
>> in to 30GB! ;-)
>>
>> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 14:02, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
>>  wrote:
>>
>> z via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 28 May 2024 12:47:41 -0500
(CDT) May
>> 28, 2024 12:42:39 Michael via PLUG-discuss
>> : I got a 30 GB drive. Will
windows
>> fit on such a drive?
>
>> likely no
>  It won't fit *my* Void Linux setup either. Here's the result of
df -h
> on my Void Linux computer: /dev/nvme0n1p1 1.4T 62G 1.2T 5% / I'm
> pretty sure if I just installed a CLI Linux with no applications it
> would fit in 32GB, but with modern browsers and X and the like, no.
> SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the
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Re: Catch the hand that is spying on me

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On 4/10/24 15:42, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Note Amazon is building up a low power network across all their 
devices. That one creeps me out.


On Tue, Apr 9, 2024, 3:48 AM Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


However, if you make it obvious that you are looking at the thing,
the
perpetrator might decide to take it back.  Put up your own video
doorbell, and maybe even watch the street as well so you can tie the
perp to their vehicle.

Triangulation is 'fun' - find some local neighborhood hams (amateur
radio people) who have done T-hunting (transmitter hunting) and
they can
give you info, and maybe even have some equipment and
time/inclination
to help.

We call that foxhunting.  The fox being the hidden transmitter. Most of 
the time somebody in the group that's participating hides the 
transmitter, and waits nearby to keep an eye on it.
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Re: Radeon RX580 and trouble with Ffmpeg

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Thanks.  I've read that tonight.  Earlier just for the fun of it I 
installed the Radeon drivers on winsows10.  I installed handbrake and 
had it transcode the same video I experimented with earlier.  When I 
chose the codec,  I found H.264 (AMD_VCE).  There was also an H.265 
AMD_VCE option but I didn't try it.  Handbrake in Windows was 
transcoding the video at around 100 to 110 fps and only using 1% of the 
CPU.  I may not use hardware acceleration for encoding often, but I'd 
like to have it available.  It doesn't matter to me if I use the open 
source drivers or the proprietary ones.  I can't help but wonder why it 
won't work in Linux.


On 4/5/24 15:29, z via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I also don't think I made it clear that mesa is probably better than 
the proprietary AMD drivers on linux. The same is untrue on NVIDIA.


Apr 5, 2024 15:11:16 z via PLUG-discuss :

Do you truly need proprietary drivers? That card is one of the
best supported by open source software. So I would just install
mesa, which should be easily installed from your distro's package
manager, if it's not installed already.

Assuming you do need proprietary, maybe try a reboot if you
haven't already? It's giving a missing binary error and sometimes
I get those after a kernel update and not rebooting.



Zack

Apr 5, 2024 14:43:44 Jim via PLUG-discuss
:

Today the Radeon RX580 graphics card I bought arrived. To get
the drivers for the card, I went here

https://www.amd.com/en/support  where I downloaded
amdgpu-install_6.0.60002-1_all.deb

Next I started following the instructions at
https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ then I
started running into problems.

amdgpu-install --vulkan=amdvlk,pro gave me 2 errors:

E: Unable to locate package vulkan-amdgpu-pro and the same for
vulkan-amdgpu-pro:i386

I kept going and entered amdgpu-install -y --usecase=workstation

That returned the errors Unable to locate package amdgpu-pro
and amdgpu-pro-lib32

With the error messages I figured I'd have problems, but I
tried to find out if I could use the hardware acceleration so
I entered|:|

|ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -c:v h264_amf -c:a copy output.mp4

That gave me several errors.  The first one was [h264_amf @
0x562e1f855380] DLL libamfrt64.so.1 failed to open|

|So I tried sudo updatedb and locate libamfrt64.so.1 which
returned nothing.  That told me the file wasn't there.|

|I tried to transcode a file with Handbrake but it didn't show
h264_amf among the available codec options.|

|I tried searching for how to install libamfrt64.so.1 but all
I got was references to steps I already tried.
|

|Did I make a mistake somwhere or does AMD need to fix something?|

|Thank for your help.|

|Jim
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Re: Radeon RX580 and trouble with Ffmpeg

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Thanks.  That will give me something to look into over the weekend.

On 4/5/24 17:34, Ryan Petris wrote:
There's likely some setting you have to enable or change to enable 
hardware acceleration. You'll probably have to poke around or google 
for that as I'm not that familiar with those settings in Handbrake.


That said, depending on what you're trying to do, you may just want to 
use CPU encoding anyway. You have a lot more control over what the 
final product looks like with CPU encoding that you do hardware 
encoding. With hardware encoding you can give it some parameters but 
ultimately you get whatever the encoder spits out, while you have many 
more knobs to turn for CPU encoding. You'll spend more time encoding 
but you'll likely end up with a better quality and smaller file with 
CPU encoding.


On Fri, Apr 5, 2024, at 4:42 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:


Thanks Ryan for the advice.  You mentioned the mesa and vdpau drivers 
for hardware video acceleration.  I'm testing handbrake now by having 
it transcode the same video (25 minutes) and same settings I 
mentioned earlier. ( H264 1440x1080 to 640x480).  This time it's also 
using around 95% of the cpu and transcoding at around 80 fps.  Is it 
using the hardware acceleration?



Thanks

On 4/5/24 15:37, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Yeah, I wouldn't use the proprietary AMD drivers. Jim, undo whatever 
it is that you did with the amdgpu-pro drivers and install the 
"xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu" (if you're on debian or a debian based 
distro, which I assume you are based on the mentioning of a deb 
package) and restart. That should be all you need.


If you're wanting hardware video acceleration you can also install 
the following packages:


mesa-va-drivers
vdpau-driver-all

Those are listed on this wiki page: 
https://wiki.debian.org/HardwareVideoAcceleration 
<https://wiki.debian.org/HardwareVideoAcceleration>


On Fri, Apr 5, 2024, at 3:29 PM, z via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I also don't think I made it clear that mesa is probably better 
than the proprietary AMD drivers on linux. The same is untrue on 
NVIDIA.


Apr 5, 2024 15:11:16 z via PLUG-discuss 
 
<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>:


Do you truly need proprietary drivers? That card is one of the
best supported by open source software. So I would just install
mesa, which should be easily installed from your distro's
package manager, if it's not installed already.

Assuming you do need proprietary, maybe try a reboot if you
haven't already? It's giving a missing binary error and
sometimes I get those after a kernel update and not rebooting.



Zack

    Apr 5, 2024 14:43:44 Jim via PLUG-discuss

<mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>:

Today the Radeon RX580 graphics card I bought arrived.  To
get the drivers for the card, I went here

https://www.amd.com/en/support
<https://www.amd.com/en/support> where I downloaded
amdgpu-install_6.0.60002-1_all.deb

Next I started following the instructions at
https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
<https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/> then I
started running into problems.

amdgpu-install --vulkan=amdvlk,pro gave me 2 errors:

E: Unable to locate package vulkan-amdgpu-pro and the same
for vulkan-amdgpu-pro:i386

I kept going and entered amdgpu-install -y
--usecase=workstation

That returned the errors Unable to locate package
amdgpu-pro and amdgpu-pro-lib32

With the error messages I figured I'd have problems, but I
tried to find out if I could use the hardware acceleration
so I entered|:|

|ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -c:v h264_amf -c:a copy output.mp4

That gave me several errors.  The first one was [h264_amf @
0x562e1f855380] DLL libamfrt64.so.1 failed to open|

|So I tried sudo updatedb and locate libamfrt64.so.1 which
returned nothing.  That told me the file wasn't there.|

|I tried to transcode a file with Handbrake but it didn't
show h264_amf among the available codec options.|

|I tried searching for how to install libamfrt64.so.1 but
all I got was references to steps I already tried.|

|Did I make a mistake somwhere or does AMD need to fix
something?|

    |Thank for your help.|

|Jim|


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Re: Radeon RX580 and trouble with Ffmpeg

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I don't really have any special need for proprietary drivers. Having 
come from an nvidia card where their driver worked better than nouveau, 
I thought that was the best option now.  I've purged the  proprietary 
stuff.  Thanks for your help.


On 4/5/24 15:11, z via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Do you truly need proprietary drivers? That card is one of the best 
supported by open source software. So I would just install mesa, which 
should be easily installed from your distro's package manager, if it's 
not installed already.


Assuming you do need proprietary, maybe try a reboot if you haven't 
already? It's giving a missing binary error and sometimes I get those 
after a kernel update and not rebooting.




Zack

Apr 5, 2024 14:43:44 Jim via PLUG-discuss 
:


Today the Radeon RX580 graphics card I bought arrived.  To get the
drivers for the card, I went here

https://www.amd.com/en/support  where I downloaded
amdgpu-install_6.0.60002-1_all.deb

Next I started following the instructions at
https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ then I started
running into problems.

amdgpu-install --vulkan=amdvlk,pro gave me 2 errors:

E: Unable to locate package vulkan-amdgpu-pro and the same for
vulkan-amdgpu-pro:i386

I kept going and entered amdgpu-install -y --usecase=workstation

That returned the errors Unable to locate package amdgpu-pro and
amdgpu-pro-lib32

With the error messages I figured I'd have problems, but I tried
to find out if I could use the hardware acceleration so I entered|:|

|ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -c:v h264_amf -c:a copy output.mp4

That gave me several errors.  The first one was [h264_amf @
0x562e1f855380] DLL libamfrt64.so.1 failed to open|

|So I tried sudo updatedb and locate libamfrt64.so.1 which
returned nothing.  That told me the file wasn't there.|

|I tried to transcode a file with Handbrake but it didn't show
h264_amf among the available codec options.|

|I tried searching for how to install libamfrt64.so.1 but all I
got was references to steps I already tried.
|

|Did I make a mistake somwhere or does AMD need to fix something?|

|Thank for your help.|

|Jim
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Re: Radeon RX580 and trouble with Ffmpeg

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks Ryan for the advice.  You mentioned the mesa and vdpau drivers 
for hardware video acceleration.  I'm testing handbrake now by having it 
transcode the same video (25 minutes) and same settings I mentioned 
earlier. ( H264 1440x1080 to 640x480).  This time it's also using around 
95% of the cpu and transcoding at around 80 fps.  Is it using the 
hardware acceleration?



Thanks

On 4/5/24 15:37, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Yeah, I wouldn't use the proprietary AMD drivers. Jim, undo whatever 
it is that you did with the amdgpu-pro drivers and install the 
"xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu" (if you're on debian or a debian based 
distro, which I assume you are based on the mentioning of a deb 
package) and restart. That should be all you need.


If you're wanting hardware video acceleration you can also install the 
following packages:


mesa-va-drivers
vdpau-driver-all

Those are listed on this wiki page: 
https://wiki.debian.org/HardwareVideoAcceleration


On Fri, Apr 5, 2024, at 3:29 PM, z via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I also don't think I made it clear that mesa is probably better than 
the proprietary AMD drivers on linux. The same is untrue on NVIDIA.


Apr 5, 2024 15:11:16 z via PLUG-discuss 
:


Do you truly need proprietary drivers? That card is one of the
best supported by open source software. So I would just install
mesa, which should be easily installed from your distro's package
manager, if it's not installed already.

Assuming you do need proprietary, maybe try a reboot if you
haven't already? It's giving a missing binary error and sometimes
I get those after a kernel update and not rebooting.



Zack

Apr 5, 2024 14:43:44 Jim via PLUG-discuss
:

Today the Radeon RX580 graphics card I bought arrived.  To
get the drivers for the card, I went here

https://www.amd.com/en/support
<https://www.amd.com/en/support> where I downloaded
amdgpu-install_6.0.60002-1_all.deb

Next I started following the instructions at
https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
<https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/> then I
started running into problems.

amdgpu-install --vulkan=amdvlk,pro gave me 2 errors:

E: Unable to locate package vulkan-amdgpu-pro and the same
for vulkan-amdgpu-pro:i386

I kept going and entered amdgpu-install -y --usecase=workstation

That returned the errors Unable to locate package amdgpu-pro
and amdgpu-pro-lib32

With the error messages I figured I'd have problems, but I
tried to find out if I could use the hardware acceleration so
I entered|:|

|ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -c:v h264_amf -c:a copy output.mp4

That gave me several errors.  The first one was [h264_amf @
0x562e1f855380] DLL libamfrt64.so.1 failed to open|

|So I tried sudo updatedb and locate libamfrt64.so.1 which
returned nothing.  That told me the file wasn't there.|

|I tried to transcode a file with Handbrake but it didn't
show h264_amf among the available codec options.|

|I tried searching for how to install libamfrt64.so.1 but all
I got was references to steps I already tried.|

|Did I make a mistake somwhere or does AMD need to fix
something?|

|Thank for your help.|

|Jim|


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Re: Radeon RX580 and trouble with Ffmpeg

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Right now just for testing, I have Handbrake changing a 1440x1080 25 
minute video to 640x480 h264.  Handbrake is encoding at  80fps and using 
around 96% of the CPU.  The CPU is an Intel i5-3750 at 3,4GHz with 32GB RAM.


On 4/5/24 15:11, z via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Do you truly need proprietary drivers? That card is one of the best 
supported by open source software. So I would just install mesa, which 
should be easily installed from your distro's package manager, if it's 
not installed already.


Assuming you do need proprietary, maybe try a reboot if you haven't 
already? It's giving a missing binary error and sometimes I get those 
after a kernel update and not rebooting.




Zack

Apr 5, 2024 14:43:44 Jim via PLUG-discuss 
:


Today the Radeon RX580 graphics card I bought arrived.  To get the
drivers for the card, I went here

https://www.amd.com/en/support  where I downloaded
amdgpu-install_6.0.60002-1_all.deb

Next I started following the instructions at
https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ then I started
running into problems.

amdgpu-install --vulkan=amdvlk,pro gave me 2 errors:

E: Unable to locate package vulkan-amdgpu-pro and the same for
vulkan-amdgpu-pro:i386

I kept going and entered amdgpu-install -y --usecase=workstation

That returned the errors Unable to locate package amdgpu-pro and
amdgpu-pro-lib32

With the error messages I figured I'd have problems, but I tried
to find out if I could use the hardware acceleration so I entered|:|

|ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -c:v h264_amf -c:a copy output.mp4

That gave me several errors.  The first one was [h264_amf @
0x562e1f855380] DLL libamfrt64.so.1 failed to open|

|So I tried sudo updatedb and locate libamfrt64.so.1 which
returned nothing.  That told me the file wasn't there.|

|I tried to transcode a file with Handbrake but it didn't show
h264_amf among the available codec options.|

|I tried searching for how to install libamfrt64.so.1 but all I
got was references to steps I already tried.
|

|Did I make a mistake somwhere or does AMD need to fix something?|

|Thank for your help.|

|Jim
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Re: Radeon RX580 and trouble with Ffmpeg

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I wanted to take advantage of the hardware acceleration when encoding 
video.  Would Mesa allow this?


On 4/5/24 15:11, z via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Do you truly need proprietary drivers? That card is one of the best 
supported by open source software. So I would just install mesa, which 
should be easily installed from your distro's package manager, if it's 
not installed already.


Assuming you do need proprietary, maybe try a reboot if you haven't 
already? It's giving a missing binary error and sometimes I get those 
after a kernel update and not rebooting.




Zack

Apr 5, 2024 14:43:44 Jim via PLUG-discuss 
:


Today the Radeon RX580 graphics card I bought arrived.  To get the
drivers for the card, I went here

https://www.amd.com/en/support  where I downloaded
amdgpu-install_6.0.60002-1_all.deb

Next I started following the instructions at
https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ then I started
running into problems.

amdgpu-install --vulkan=amdvlk,pro gave me 2 errors:

E: Unable to locate package vulkan-amdgpu-pro and the same for
vulkan-amdgpu-pro:i386

I kept going and entered amdgpu-install -y --usecase=workstation

That returned the errors Unable to locate package amdgpu-pro and
amdgpu-pro-lib32

With the error messages I figured I'd have problems, but I tried
to find out if I could use the hardware acceleration so I entered|:|

|ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -c:v h264_amf -c:a copy output.mp4

That gave me several errors.  The first one was [h264_amf @
0x562e1f855380] DLL libamfrt64.so.1 failed to open|

|So I tried sudo updatedb and locate libamfrt64.so.1 which
returned nothing.  That told me the file wasn't there.|

|I tried to transcode a file with Handbrake but it didn't show
h264_amf among the available codec options.|

|I tried searching for how to install libamfrt64.so.1 but all I
got was references to steps I already tried.
|

|Did I make a mistake somwhere or does AMD need to fix something?|

|Thank for your help.|

|Jim
|


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[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Today the Radeon RX580 graphics card I bought arrived.  To get the 
drivers for the card, I went here


https://www.amd.com/en/support  where I downloaded 
amdgpu-install_6.0.60002-1_all.deb


Next I started following the instructions at 
https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ then I started running 
into problems.


amdgpu-install --vulkan=amdvlk,pro gave me 2 errors:

E: Unable to locate package vulkan-amdgpu-pro and the same for 
vulkan-amdgpu-pro:i386


I kept going and entered amdgpu-install -y  --usecase=workstation

That returned the errors Unable to locate package amdgpu-pro and 
amdgpu-pro-lib32


With the error messages I figured I'd have problems, but I tried to find 
out if I could use the hardware acceleration so I entered|:|


|ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -c:v h264_amf -c:a copy output.mp4

That gave me several errors.  The first one was [h264_amf @ 
0x562e1f855380] DLL libamfrt64.so.1 failed to open|


|So I tried sudo updatedb and locate libamfrt64.so.1 which returned 
nothing. That told me the file wasn't there.|


|I tried to transcode a file with Handbrake but it didn't show h264_amf 
among the available codec options.|


|I tried searching for how to install libamfrt64.so.1 but all I got was 
references to steps I already tried.

|

|Did I make a mistake somwhere or does AMD need to fix something?|

|Thank for your help.|

|Jim
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Re: internal drive shows up as removable. Removable usb stick doesn't show at all

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I shut  down the machine so I could open it up and see which sata port 
that drive was plugged into.  I was wrong earlier when I said it was 
plugged into one of the sata ports on the motherboard.  It was plugged 
into an addon card that's plugged into a pcie slot. I have a trayless 
hot swap mobile rack I use for drives I use for backups.  I switched the 
two sata  cables.  The internal drive now connects to the motherboard.  
The hot swap rack connects to the sata addon card.  I rebooted and the 
internal drives don't show.. Apparently anything connected to the sata 
ports on the motherboard is treated as an internal drive and anything 
conneccted to an addon cars is treated as an external drive whether it 
is or not.


On 4/3/24 16:00, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Not sure. What port is it plugged into?

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 6:53 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


The bios has nothing to specify whether a drive is internal or
external.  Is there some way for me to tell the system that it's
an internal drive?

On 4/3/24 12:50, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Check bios, some have a removable hardware flag that you can set
to allow them to be hot swap. Sata, SAS and U.2 NVME drives
support this at a hardware level natively so the bio may just
need to have a setting updated.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:28 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

Os = Kubuntu 22.04

I have a problem with the two partitions on /dev/sdd showing
up in Gnome
Disk Utility and in Disks & Devices in the Kubuntu system
tray as
removable.  The real removable drive, a USB stick doesn't
show at all.
Somehow I got Gnome Disk Utility to show all disk, including
the USB stick.

In /sys/block/sdd there's a file named removable.  In it is
just a
number 1.  The other internal drives have a 0 in the
removable file.


Does anyone have an idea how I can fix this?


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Re: internal drive shows up as removable. Removable usb stick doesn't show at all

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

It's my mistake. There's one drive with two partitions on it.  It and 
the other 3 drives are each plugged into one of the  4 sata ports on the 
motherboard.


Thanks for your replies.

On 4/3/24 16:00, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Not sure. What port is it plugged into?

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 6:53 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


The bios has nothing to specify whether a drive is internal or
external.  Is there some way for me to tell the system that it's
an internal drive?

On 4/3/24 12:50, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Check bios, some have a removable hardware flag that you can set
to allow them to be hot swap. Sata, SAS and U.2 NVME drives
support this at a hardware level natively so the bio may just
need to have a setting updated.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:28 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

Os = Kubuntu 22.04

I have a problem with the two partitions on /dev/sdd showing
up in Gnome
Disk Utility and in Disks & Devices in the Kubuntu system
tray as
removable.  The real removable drive, a USB stick doesn't
show at all.
Somehow I got Gnome Disk Utility to show all disk, including
the USB stick.

In /sys/block/sdd there's a file named removable.  In it is
just a
number 1.  The other internal drives have a 0 in the
removable file.


Does anyone have an idea how I can fix this?


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Re: Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

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Thanks

On 4/3/24 12:48, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Take a look at the 5500xt. Its in the same price category, but newer 
and should be supported for quite some time. also should have better 
feature support.


On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 1:53 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


The website I checked out to compare the cards showed the age of
the cards.  The  710 was first sold in 2015 and 2017 for the 580. 
I can't see myself spending several hundred for the latest and
greatest.

On 4/2/24 09:53, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

the 710 is almost a decade old even though it is being sold. the
580 is still several core architectures behind.


On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 8:23 AM Jim via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

I looked up the two cards you mentioned and they perform
pretty much the same, but they appear to blow the GT710 out
of the water if this is to be believed. I think I'll give up
on getting nvenc to work on the gt 710.  I imagine the rx580
will do much better.


https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-GT-710-vs-AMD-RX-580/m77649vs3923

On 3/28/24 14:05, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

The closest modern card are going to be the RX 580's or 5500xt

Thise are in the 50-100 price range that the 710 is.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 4:58 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

The card I have now is a GeForce GT 710. What Radeon
card  would be equivalent to that?  I don't want to buy
something that turns out to be slower.

On 3/26/24 10:04, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Also amd flagship cards are getting tremendous
performance gains under vulkan.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024, 8:52 AM Steve Litt via
PLUG-discuss  wrote:

Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 24 Mar 2024
12:58:34 -0700

>I have an Nvidia card. The computer has an Intel
gpu.  I would think
>that Nvidia support should come along sooner or
later.

I doubt it. They won't reveal the interface without
an NDA that Free
Software developers can't sign.

>There are a lot
>of Nvidia users out there.

Nvidia doesn't care. They're in the top 6 worldwide
richest
corporations because of their leadership in AI
chips, so they don't
care about a few Linux people stuck with Nvidia
hardware.

If you can, I'd advise you to do what I did and
switch from Nvidia to
Radeon the minute your machine exhibits the
slightest flakiness or
video artifacts.

SteveT

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Re: internal drive shows up as removable. Removable usb stick doesn't show at all

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The bios has nothing to specify whether a drive is internal or 
external.  Is there some way for me to tell the system that it's an 
internal drive?


On 4/3/24 12:50, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Check bios, some have a removable hardware flag that you can set to 
allow them to be hot swap. Sata, SAS and U.2 NVME drives support this 
at a hardware level natively so the bio may just need to have a 
setting updated.


On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:28 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


Os = Kubuntu 22.04

I have a problem with the two partitions on /dev/sdd showing up in
Gnome
Disk Utility and in Disks & Devices in the Kubuntu system tray as
removable.  The real removable drive, a USB stick doesn't show at
all.
Somehow I got Gnome Disk Utility to show all disk, including the
USB stick.

In /sys/block/sdd there's a file named removable.  In it is just a
number 1.  The other internal drives have a 0 in the removable file.


Does anyone have an idea how I can fix this?


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Re: Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

The website I checked out to compare the cards showed the age of the 
cards.  The  710 was first sold in 2015 and 2017 for the 580. I can't 
see myself spending several hundred for the latest and greatest.


On 4/2/24 09:53, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
the 710 is almost a decade old even though it is being sold. the 580 
is still several core architectures behind.



On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 8:23 AM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


I looked up the two cards you mentioned and they perform pretty
much the same, but they appear to blow the GT710 out of the water
if this is to be believed. I think I'll give up on getting nvenc
to work on the gt 710.  I imagine the rx580 will do much better.


https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-GT-710-vs-AMD-RX-580/m77649vs3923

On 3/28/24 14:05, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

The closest modern card are going to be the RX 580's or 5500xt

Thise are in the 50-100 price range that the 710 is.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 4:58 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

The card I have now is a GeForce GT 710.  What Radeon card 
would be equivalent to that?  I don't want to buy something
that turns out to be slower.

On 3/26/24 10:04, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Also amd flagship cards are getting tremendous performance
gains under vulkan.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024, 8:52 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:58:34 -0700

>I have an Nvidia card. The computer has an Intel gpu. 
I would think
>that Nvidia support should come along sooner or later.

I doubt it. They won't reveal the interface without an
NDA that Free
Software developers can't sign.

>There are a lot
>of Nvidia users out there.

Nvidia doesn't care. They're in the top 6 worldwide richest
corporations because of their leadership in AI chips, so
they don't
care about a few Linux people stuck with Nvidia hardware.

If you can, I'd advise you to do what I did and switch
from Nvidia to
Radeon the minute your machine exhibits the slightest
flakiness or
video artifacts.

SteveT

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internal drive shows up as removable. Removable usb stick doesn't show at all

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Os = Kubuntu 22.04

I have a problem with the two partitions on /dev/sdd showing up in Gnome 
Disk Utility and in Disks & Devices in the Kubuntu system tray as 
removable.  The real removable drive, a USB stick doesn't show at all.   
Somehow I got Gnome Disk Utility to show all disk, including the USB stick.


In /sys/block/sdd there's a file named removable.  In it is just a 
number 1.  The other internal drives have a 0 in the removable file.



Does anyone have an idea how I can fix this?


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Re: Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I looked up the two cards you mentioned and they perform pretty much the 
same, but they appear to blow the GT710 out of the water if this is to 
be believed. I think I'll give up on getting nvenc to work on the gt 
710.  I imagine the rx580 will do much better.


https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-GT-710-vs-AMD-RX-580/m77649vs3923

On 3/28/24 14:05, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

The closest modern card are going to be the RX 580's or 5500xt

Thise are in the 50-100 price range that the 710 is.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 4:58 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


The card I have now is a GeForce GT 710.  What Radeon card  would
be equivalent to that?  I don't want to buy something that turns
out to be slower.

On 3/26/24 10:04, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Also amd flagship cards are getting tremendous performance gains
under vulkan.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024, 8:52 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:58:34 -0700

>I have an Nvidia card. The computer has an Intel gpu.  I
would think
>that Nvidia support should come along sooner or later.

I doubt it. They won't reveal the interface without an NDA
that Free
Software developers can't sign.

>There are a lot
>of Nvidia users out there.

Nvidia doesn't care. They're in the top 6 worldwide richest
corporations because of their leadership in AI chips, so they
don't
care about a few Linux people stuck with Nvidia hardware.

If you can, I'd advise you to do what I did and switch from
Nvidia to
Radeon the minute your machine exhibits the slightest
flakiness or
video artifacts.

SteveT

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Re: Handbrake won't use nvenc

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Any idea how I would fix that?  I saw where it said nvdec isn't there, 
but I'm trying to use nvenc?  Will it refuse to work if nvdec is missing?


On 3/30/24 14:49, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

nvdec: is not compiled into this build

That seems to be the issue.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2024, 5:03 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


Here's a recap of my last post.  I had Ubuntu 22.04 installed on this
machine.  I had Handbrake using the Nvenc option.  Recently I had to
reinstall the OS.  Now Nvendc doesn't work.  I didn't change any
hardware.  Handbrake gives me an error now.   Today I tried again and
clicked the button for the Activity window. Here's what was in it.


OS: Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS
HandBrake 1.7.3 (2023082100)
Kernel: Linux 5.15.0-100-generic (x86_64)
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz x 4
Install Dir: /usr/bin
Config Dir:  /home/delboy/.config/ghb
___

[13:40:34] Compile-time hardening features are enabled
[13:40:34] nvenc: version 11.1 is available
[13:40:34] nvdec: is not compiled into this build
[13:40:34] CUDA Version: 3.5
[13:40:34] vcn: not available on this system
[13:40:34] qsv: not available on this system
[13:40:34] hb_init: starting libhb thread
[13:40:34] hb_init: starting libhb thread
[13:40:34] hb_init: starting libhb thread
[13:40:40] CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz
[13:40:40]  - Intel microarchitecture Ivy Bridge
[13:40:40]  - logical processor count: 4
[13:40:40] Intel Quick Sync Video support: no
[13:40:40] hb_scan: path=/home/delboy/a.mp4, title_index=0
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from '/home/delboy/a.mp4':
   Metadata:
 major_brand : isom
 minor_version   : 512
 compatible_brands: isomiso2avc1mp41
 encoder : Lavf58.76.100
   Duration: 00:00:16.58, start: 0.00, bitrate: 2144 kb/s
   Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Video: h264 (Main) (avc1 / 0x31637661),
yuv420p(tv, bt709, progressive), 1920x1080 [SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 1979
kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 12800 tbn (default)
 Metadata:
   handler_name    : VideoHandler
   vendor_id   : [0][0][0][0]
   Stream #0:1[0x2](und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D),
48000 Hz,
stereo, fltp, 161 kb/s (default)
 Metadata:
   handler_name    : SoundHandler
   vendor_id   : [0][0][0][0]
[13:40:41] scan: decoding previews for title 1
[13:40:41] scan: audio 0x1: aac, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=161200 Unknown
(AAC LC, 2.0 ch, 161 kbps)
[13:40:41] using container PAR 1:1
[13:40:41] scan: 10 previews, 1920x1080, 25.000 fps, autocrop =
0/6/0/0,
aspect 16:9, PAR 1:1, color profile: 1-1-1, chroma location: left
[13:40:41] Title is likely interlaced or telecined (10 out of 10
previews). You should do something about that.
[13:40:41] libhb: scan thread found 1 valid title(s)
[13:40:55] gtkgui: Custom Preset: /General/1080p 4:3
[13:40:55] Starting work at: Sat Mar 30 13:40:55 2024

[13:40:55] 1 job(s) to process
[13:40:55] json job:
{
 "Audio": {
 "AudioList": [
 {
 "Bitrate": 0,
 "DRC": 0.0,
 "Encoder": "copy:aac",
 "Mixdown": "none",
 "PresetEncoder": "copy",
 "Quality": -3.0,
 "Samplerate": 0,
 "Track": 0
 }
 ],
 "CopyMask": [
 "copy:mp3",
 "copy:aac",
 "copy:ac3",
 "copy:dts",
 "copy:dtshd",
 "copy:eac3",
 "copy:flac",
 "copy:truehd"
 ],
 "FallbackEncoder": "av_aac"
 },
 "Destination": {
 "AlignAVStart": false,
 "ChapterList": [
 {
 "Duration": {
 "Hours": 0,
 "Minutes": 0,
 "Seconds": 16,
 "Ticks": 1491840
 },
 "Name": ""
 }
 ],
 "ChapterMarkers": false,
 "File": "/home/delboy/desktop1/a.mkv",
 "InlineParameterSets": false,
 "Mux": "mkv",
 "Options": {
 "IpodAtom": false,
 "Optimize&

Re: Handbrake won't use nvenc

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Here's a recap of my last post.  I had Ubuntu 22.04 installed on this 
machine.  I had Handbrake using the Nvenc option.  Recently I had to 
reinstall the OS.  Now Nvendc doesn't work.  I didn't change any 
hardware.  Handbrake gives me an error now.   Today I tried again and 
clicked the button for the Activity window. Here's what was in it.



OS: Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS
HandBrake 1.7.3 (2023082100)
Kernel: Linux 5.15.0-100-generic (x86_64)
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz x 4
Install Dir: /usr/bin
Config Dir:  /home/delboy/.config/ghb
___

[13:40:34] Compile-time hardening features are enabled
[13:40:34] nvenc: version 11.1 is available
[13:40:34] nvdec: is not compiled into this build
[13:40:34] CUDA Version: 3.5
[13:40:34] vcn: not available on this system
[13:40:34] qsv: not available on this system
[13:40:34] hb_init: starting libhb thread
[13:40:34] hb_init: starting libhb thread
[13:40:34] hb_init: starting libhb thread
[13:40:40] CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz
[13:40:40]  - Intel microarchitecture Ivy Bridge
[13:40:40]  - logical processor count: 4
[13:40:40] Intel Quick Sync Video support: no
[13:40:40] hb_scan: path=/home/delboy/a.mp4, title_index=0
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from '/home/delboy/a.mp4':
  Metadata:
    major_brand : isom
    minor_version   : 512
    compatible_brands: isomiso2avc1mp41
    encoder : Lavf58.76.100
  Duration: 00:00:16.58, start: 0.00, bitrate: 2144 kb/s
  Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Video: h264 (Main) (avc1 / 0x31637661), 
yuv420p(tv, bt709, progressive), 1920x1080 [SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 1979 
kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 12800 tbn (default)

    Metadata:
  handler_name    : VideoHandler
  vendor_id   : [0][0][0][0]
  Stream #0:1[0x2](und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 48000 Hz, 
stereo, fltp, 161 kb/s (default)

    Metadata:
  handler_name    : SoundHandler
  vendor_id   : [0][0][0][0]
[13:40:41] scan: decoding previews for title 1
[13:40:41] scan: audio 0x1: aac, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=161200 Unknown 
(AAC LC, 2.0 ch, 161 kbps)

[13:40:41] using container PAR 1:1
[13:40:41] scan: 10 previews, 1920x1080, 25.000 fps, autocrop = 0/6/0/0, 
aspect 16:9, PAR 1:1, color profile: 1-1-1, chroma location: left
[13:40:41] Title is likely interlaced or telecined (10 out of 10 
previews). You should do something about that.

[13:40:41] libhb: scan thread found 1 valid title(s)
[13:40:55] gtkgui: Custom Preset: /General/1080p 4:3
[13:40:55] Starting work at: Sat Mar 30 13:40:55 2024

[13:40:55] 1 job(s) to process
[13:40:55] json job:
{
    "Audio": {
    "AudioList": [
    {
    "Bitrate": 0,
    "DRC": 0.0,
    "Encoder": "copy:aac",
    "Mixdown": "none",
    "PresetEncoder": "copy",
    "Quality": -3.0,
    "Samplerate": 0,
    "Track": 0
    }
    ],
    "CopyMask": [
    "copy:mp3",
    "copy:aac",
    "copy:ac3",
    "copy:dts",
    "copy:dtshd",
    "copy:eac3",
    "copy:flac",
    "copy:truehd"
    ],
    "FallbackEncoder": "av_aac"
    },
    "Destination": {
    "AlignAVStart": false,
    "ChapterList": [
    {
    "Duration": {
    "Hours": 0,
    "Minutes": 0,
    "Seconds": 16,
    "Ticks": 1491840
    },
    "Name": ""
    }
    ],
    "ChapterMarkers": false,
    "File": "/home/delboy/desktop1/a.mkv",
    "InlineParameterSets": false,
    "Mux": "mkv",
    "Options": {
    "IpodAtom": false,
    "Optimize": false
    }
    },
    "Filters": {
    "FilterList": [
    {
    "ID": 4,
    "Settings": {
    "block-height": "16",
    "block-thresh": "40",
    "block-width": "16",
    "filter-mode": "2",
    "mode": "3",
    "motion-thresh": "1",
    "spatial-metric": "2",
    "spatial-thresh": "1"
    }
    },
    {
    "ID": 5,
    "Settings": {
    "mode": "7"
    }
    },
    {
    "ID": 10,
    "Settings": {
    "mode": 1
    }
    },
    {
    "ID": 19,
    "Settings": {
    "crop-bottom": 6,
    "crop-left": 0,
    "crop-right": 0,
    "crop-top": 0,
    "height": 1074,
    "width": 1920
    }
    }
    ]
    },
    "Metadata": {
    "Name": "a"
    },
    "PAR": {
    "Den": 1,
    "Num": 1
    },
    "SequenceID": 0,
    "Source": {
  

Re: Handbrake won't use nvenc

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks Stephen.  I knew I had forgotten something.  Nvidia 470.239.06 is 
installed.


On 3/28/24 18:35, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
What drivers are you running. Should be the nvidia proprietary drivers 
to use nvenc


On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 9:11 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


Recently I had to reinstall Kubuntu on this machine.  I didn't have a
problem until I tried to use Handbrake.  It will no longer use nvenc.
I tried it using ffmpeg using the command line. First I tred
ffmpeg -i
input.mp4 -vcodec h264 output.mp4.  That worked, but failed when I
tried  ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -vcodec h264_nvenc output.mp4 and
displayed
the error message below. Before I had to reinstall, I was able to use
nvenc when encoding using h264 in Handbrake.  Any idea how I can fix
this? Thanks

[h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91a7ae40] Cannot load libnvidia-encode.so.1
[h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91a7ae40] The minimum required Nvidia driver for
nvenc is 520.56.06 or newer
[vost#0:0/h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91aae5c0] Error while opening encoder -
maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height.
[vf#0:0 @ 0x55dd91a913c0] Error sending frames to consumers:
Operation
not permitted
[vf#0:0 @ 0x55dd91a913c0] Task finished with error code: -1
(Operation
not permitted)
[vf#0:0 @ 0x55dd91a913c0] Terminating thread with return code -1
(Operation not permitted)
[vost#0:0/h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91aae5c0] Could not open encoder
before EOF
[vost#0:0/h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91aae5c0] Task finished with error code:
-22 (Invalid argument)
[vost#0:0/h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91aae5c0] Terminating thread with return
code -22 (Invalid argument)
[out#0/mp4 @ 0x55dd91c55240] Nothing was written into output file,
because at least one of its streams received no packets.
frame=    0 fps=0.0 q=0.0 Lsize=   0KiB time=N/A bitrate=N/A
speed=N/A
[aac @ 0x55dd91bfa500] Qavg: 924.945
Conversion failed!

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Handbrake won't use nvenc

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Recently I had to reinstall Kubuntu on this machine.  I didn't have a 
problem until I tried to use Handbrake.  It will no longer use nvenc.    
I tried it using ffmpeg using the command line. First I tred ffmpeg -i 
input.mp4 -vcodec h264 output.mp4.  That worked, but failed when I 
tried  ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -vcodec h264_nvenc output.mp4 and displayed 
the error message below. Before I had to reinstall, I was able to use 
nvenc when encoding using h264 in Handbrake.  Any idea how I can fix 
this? Thanks


[h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91a7ae40] Cannot load libnvidia-encode.so.1
[h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91a7ae40] The minimum required Nvidia driver for 
nvenc is 520.56.06 or newer
[vost#0:0/h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91aae5c0] Error while opening encoder - 
maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height.
[vf#0:0 @ 0x55dd91a913c0] Error sending frames to consumers: Operation 
not permitted
[vf#0:0 @ 0x55dd91a913c0] Task finished with error code: -1 (Operation 
not permitted)
[vf#0:0 @ 0x55dd91a913c0] Terminating thread with return code -1 
(Operation not permitted)

[vost#0:0/h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91aae5c0] Could not open encoder before EOF
[vost#0:0/h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91aae5c0] Task finished with error code: 
-22 (Invalid argument)
[vost#0:0/h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91aae5c0] Terminating thread with return 
code -22 (Invalid argument)
[out#0/mp4 @ 0x55dd91c55240] Nothing was written into output file, 
because at least one of its streams received no packets.

frame=    0 fps=0.0 q=0.0 Lsize=   0KiB time=N/A bitrate=N/A speed=N/A
[aac @ 0x55dd91bfa500] Qavg: 924.945
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Re: Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

That sounds good.  I don't play a lot of games on this thing. The most 
graphics intensive thing I do with it is watching videos or a little 
video editing.


On 3/28/24 14:05, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

The closest modern card are going to be the RX 580's or 5500xt

Thise are in the 50-100 price range that the 710 is.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 4:58 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


The card I have now is a GeForce GT 710.  What Radeon card  would
be equivalent to that?  I don't want to buy something that turns
out to be slower.

On 3/26/24 10:04, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Also amd flagship cards are getting tremendous performance gains
under vulkan.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024, 8:52 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:58:34 -0700

>I have an Nvidia card. The computer has an Intel gpu.  I
would think
>that Nvidia support should come along sooner or later.

I doubt it. They won't reveal the interface without an NDA
that Free
Software developers can't sign.

>There are a lot
>of Nvidia users out there.

Nvidia doesn't care. They're in the top 6 worldwide richest
corporations because of their leadership in AI chips, so they
don't
care about a few Linux people stuck with Nvidia hardware.

If you can, I'd advise you to do what I did and switch from
Nvidia to
Radeon the minute your machine exhibits the slightest
flakiness or
video artifacts.

SteveT

Steve Litt

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Re: Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

The card I have now is a GeForce GT 710.  What Radeon card  would be 
equivalent to that?  I don't want to buy something that turns out to be 
slower.


On 3/26/24 10:04, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Also amd flagship cards are getting tremendous performance gains under 
vulkan.


On Tue, Mar 26, 2024, 8:52 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:58:34 -0700

>I have an Nvidia card. The computer has an Intel gpu.  I would think
>that Nvidia support should come along sooner or later.

I doubt it. They won't reveal the interface without an NDA that Free
Software developers can't sign.

>There are a lot
>of Nvidia users out there.

Nvidia doesn't care. They're in the top 6 worldwide richest
corporations because of their leadership in AI chips, so they don't
care about a few Linux people stuck with Nvidia hardware.

If you can, I'd advise you to do what I did and switch from Nvidia to
Radeon the minute your machine exhibits the slightest flakiness or
video artifacts.

SteveT

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Re: Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I'm switching.  The next time I buy a graphics card it won't be Nvidia.  
In fact, I don't have to wait that long.   The computer I have has an 
Intel gpu on the motherboard.  I just need a couple of adapters.  
Neither monitor connects to a display port.



On 3/26/24 10:04, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Also amd flagship cards are getting tremendous performance gains under 
vulkan.


On Tue, Mar 26, 2024, 8:52 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:58:34 -0700

>I have an Nvidia card. The computer has an Intel gpu.  I would think
>that Nvidia support should come along sooner or later.

I doubt it. They won't reveal the interface without an NDA that Free
Software developers can't sign.

>There are a lot
>of Nvidia users out there.

Nvidia doesn't care. They're in the top 6 worldwide richest
corporations because of their leadership in AI chips, so they don't
care about a few Linux people stuck with Nvidia hardware.

If you can, I'd advise you to do what I did and switch from Nvidia to
Radeon the minute your machine exhibits the slightest flakiness or
video artifacts.

SteveT

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Re: Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

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Thanks Steve.  The next time I buy a graphics card, it will be a Radeon.

On 3/25/24 01:36, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:58:34 -0700


I have an Nvidia card. The computer has an Intel gpu.  I would think
that Nvidia support should come along sooner or later.

I doubt it. They won't reveal the interface without an NDA that Free
Software developers can't sign.


There are a lot
of Nvidia users out there.

Nvidia doesn't care. They're in the top 6 worldwide richest
corporations because of their leadership in AI chips, so they don't
care about a few Linux people stuck with Nvidia hardware.

If you can, I'd advise you to do what I did and switch from Nvidia to
Radeon the minute your machine exhibits the slightest flakiness or
video artifacts.

SteveT

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Re: Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

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I have an Nvidia card. The computer has an Intel gpu.  I would think 
that Nvidia support should come along sooner or later. There are a lot 
of Nvidia users out there.  I read that about Plasma 6 not being 
included The article said people could upgrade to Plasma6.  I'll worry 
about it later.  Thanks.


On 3/24/24 10:38, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On 3/23/24 10:17, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I have Kubuntu 22.04.4 installed.  I wanted to try Wayland so I 
looked up how to try it.  I ended going to several sites that had 
instructions, but none worked. Is there any way to get  Wayland 
working on Kubuntu 22.04.4?


Probably the best thing to do is wait until Kubuntu 24.04 is out next 
month (April 25th, unless there are delays), and upgrade to it. 
Kubuntu 24.04 will feature updated Mesa drivers (important for Wayland 
support), the latest KDE Plasma 5 release (it won't ship with Plasma 6 
sadly), and upgraded everything else to make the Wayland experience 
better.


It's also going to matter what graphic card you have. If you are using 
an Nvidia card, then Wayland support is poor all around even with new 
cards and updated drivers, no matter what. If you are using Intel or 
AMD graphics, you will be fine,


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Re: Upgrade attempt from Kubuntu 22.04 to 23.10

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Thanks for the reply.  I ended up trying a fresh install  There were 
some quirks I didn't like, and I found out that 24.04 is due out soon, 
so I think I'll wait for it.


On 3/14/24 07:03, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
look at your PPA's and see if there is an update repo for them. you 
can look at your ppa config to check them.


Anything that is not from canonical might need updated repo information.
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Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

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I have Kubuntu 22.04.4 installed.  I wanted to try Wayland so I looked 
up how to try it.  I ended going to several sites that had instructions, 
but none worked.  Is there any way to get  Wayland working on Kubuntu 
22.04.4?



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Re: Why 5 Million People Live in America’s Hottest City

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I found the first error at 3:50.   The man said that last summer the 
city broke it's all time record high in the city of 113°  That record 
high was actually 122° in 1990, but the narrator sounds like he was too 
young to remember that.



On 3/11/24 16:03, Jason Spatafore via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks for the share. Good stuff!

On 3/11/24 11:44, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,

Happened upon this video that I found very interesting.  It is all 
about Phoenix and the latter 2/3rds is about tech in the valley 
starting at 19:50.  The first part is worth watching as well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjQuZfkU1jI
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Upgrade attempt from Kubuntu 22.04 to 23.10

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Today I tried upgrading from Kubuntu 22.04 to 23.10 using the following 
command:


sudo do-release-upgrade

It went through the motions then came up with the following error message:

   An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.

   This was likely caused by: * Unofficial software packages not
   provided by Ubuntu Please use the tool 'ppa-purge' from the
   ppa-purge package to remove software from a Launchpad PPA and try
   the upgrade again.


   I read up on ppa-purge and  gathered that it will uninstall a
   program that was installed via a purged ppa if there isn't an
   earlier version in one of the official Ubuntu repositories.

   How am I supposed to know what ppa to purge?  Am I supposed to go
   through them one at a time until the upgrade is successful? I
   imagine a horror story of purging a bunch of programs, not
   remembering what they are then finding out over the next few weeks
   as I try to run a program only to find it's not there and figuring
   out how to reinstall it again.

   Or is there something I'm missing?

   thanks
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scrcpy install from source

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My computer has Ubuntu 22.04 on it.

I'm trying to install scrcpy from source using the instructions found 
below.:


https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2023/03/scrcpy-2-0-install-android-remote-control/

Scrcpy is an app that lets you control an android device such as a phone 
from a computer.  Once I start it, the phone's screen appears on the 
computer screen and I click on  stuff instead of tapping it.  The latest 
version(2.3.1), also captures the sound on the android device and sends 
it to the computer's speakers.  The versions in the Ubuntu repository 
and the snap store don't do this.   When I try to install, a bunch of 
text scrolls by.  At the end, it throws 2 error messages and stops.



Found ninja-1.10.1 at /usr/bin/ninja
[64/64] Linking target app/scrcpy
lto-wrapper: warning: using serial compilation of 2 LTRANS jobs
[scrcpy] Installing (sudo)...
[0/1] Installing files.

ERROR:InstallData file 'meson-private/install.dat' references functions 
or classes
that don't exist. This probably means that it was generated with an old 
version of m

eson.
FAILED: meson-internal__install
/home/delboy/.local/bin/meson install --no-rebuild
ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed.
delboy@ladmo:~/scrcpy

Meson wasn't installed prior to me following the instructions at the url 
above, so it was installed right before I tried to install scrcpy.  Does 
anyone have any idea how I could make this install?  Thanks.
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Re: Tesla robot ATTACKS an engineer

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If these reports of Tesla mistreating the workers and showing no concern 
for them are true, that alone would be reason enough not to buy one.  I 
don't automatically believe the claims because people will try to 
exploit anything to further their own agendas. Lying about the facts 
won't bother such people one bit.  Maybe it's true.  Maybe it isn't.  I 
don't know.  Even if I knew for a fact none of this were true, I still 
wouldn't  buy a Tesla.  I don't like electric cars.  IMHO they're not 
ready to replace the internal combustion engine.  They don't have the 
range of a car with a gas tank and it  takes hours to charge one.  If 
you can find one of those fast chargers, and not have to wait in line 
for it, you can get it charged in 45 minutes or a bit longer depending 
on how depleted the battery is.   Imagine driving from the Valley to 
Yuma in one during the summer.  You'd have to have the ac on. That would 
seriously eat into the range.  Would you be able to make the round trip 
on one charge?  I  wouldn't want to risk it. Imagine being stuck on the 
side of the road in the summer long I 10 between Yuma and Gila Bend.  
With a car that burns liquid hydrocarbons, the tank can be empty and 
still you can fill it in a few minutes.  Right now an ev might be good 
for someone who's driving to work and back every day who can charge it 
at home overnight.  It cuts down on air pollution and if you drive one, 
you don't have to stop at a gas station on  the way home.


On 12/28/23 17:56, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Add this to the growing list of reasons I won't buy a Tesla vehicle. 
Between their quality concerns, ability to find qualified mechanics, 
and how they treat their workers, now I can add their careless concern 
for employee safety.




On 12/26/23 18:11, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Interesting story.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12869629/Tesla-robot-ATTACKS-engineer-companys-Texas-factory-violent-malfunction-leaving-trail-blood-forcing-workers-hit-emergency-shutdown-button.html 


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Re: Trouble logging in after cloning ssd

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Thanks Steve.  I tried dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sde status=progress.  It 
finished.  I used Gparted to expand the 240GB  from the original sd to 
fill the 1TB ssd it was copied to. I replaced the original ssd with the 
1TB ssd, booted and it worked perfectly first time.  Thanks.  From now 
on I'll use dd to backup the ssd this beast boots from.


On 11/12/23 17:59, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 12 Nov 2023 16:52:04 -0700


I have a Dell Optiplex 7010 with 32GB RAM and kubuntu 22.04 installed
on it.  I used clonezilla to make a copy of a 240 GB SSD onto a 1TB
SSD. When I tried to boot from the copy, I got to the gui login
screen.  I gave it my password and pressed enter. Nothing happened.  I
tried ctrl alt f2 to get to the console and was able to log in there.
I went back to the gui, but the screen was black with a mouse pointer
which moved with the mouse.  I pressed ctrl alt backspace which took
me back to the login screen.  I gave it my password and the gui screen
stopped.  Like the first time, the mouse pointer moved as I moved the
mouse.  I replaced the new ssd with the old one and everything booted
normally.


Does anyone have any idea what's going on?

I'm skeptical of Clonezilla. I would have used dd, rebooted, and if it
worked, use a rescue CD and enlarge the partition to accommodate the
whole of the SSD.

Unfortunately you're using a Ubuntu derived OS, which makes it like
pulling teeth to boot straight to CLI, and then run startx, which would
be my suggestion for getting more data about the problem. As a matter
of fact, the difficulty of doing this is what made me move from Ubuntu
to Debian. Of course within a few months Debian inserted systemd and I
moved to Void Linux :-)

SteveT

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Re: Trouble logging in after cloning ssd

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I found out how to get it to boot to a command line. I tried this on the 
cloned ssd.  When I entered startx I geo Xfce instead of KDE.  I suppose 
I could look up how to clone the SSD using dd.


On 11/12/23 17:59, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 12 Nov 2023 16:52:04 -0700


I have a Dell Optiplex 7010 with 32GB RAM and kubuntu 22.04 installed
on it.  I used clonezilla to make a copy of a 240 GB SSD onto a 1TB
SSD. When I tried to boot from the copy, I got to the gui login
screen.  I gave it my password and pressed enter. Nothing happened.  I
tried ctrl alt f2 to get to the console and was able to log in there.
I went back to the gui, but the screen was black with a mouse pointer
which moved with the mouse.  I pressed ctrl alt backspace which took
me back to the login screen.  I gave it my password and the gui screen
stopped.  Like the first time, the mouse pointer moved as I moved the
mouse.  I replaced the new ssd with the old one and everything booted
normally.


Does anyone have any idea what's going on?

I'm skeptical of Clonezilla. I would have used dd, rebooted, and if it
worked, use a rescue CD and enlarge the partition to accommodate the
whole of the SSD.

Unfortunately you're using a Ubuntu derived OS, which makes it like
pulling teeth to boot straight to CLI, and then run startx, which would
be my suggestion for getting more data about the problem. As a matter
of fact, the difficulty of doing this is what made me move from Ubuntu
to Debian. Of course within a few months Debian inserted systemd and I
moved to Void Linux :-)

SteveT

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Trouble logging in after cloning ssd

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I have a Dell Optiplex 7010 with 32GB RAM and kubuntu 22.04 installed on 
it.  I used clonezilla to make a copy of a 240 GB SSD onto a 1TB SSD. 
When I tried to boot from the copy, I got to the gui login screen.  I 
gave it my password and pressed enter. Nothing happened.  I tried ctrl 
alt f2 to get to the console and was able to log in there.  I went back 
to the gui, but the screen was black with a mouse pointer which moved 
with the mouse.  I pressed ctrl alt backspace which took me back to the 
login screen.  I gave it my password and the gui screen stopped.  Like 
the first time, the mouse pointer moved as I moved the mouse.  I 
replaced the new ssd with the old one and everything booted normally.



Does anyone have any idea what's going on?

Thanks

Jim

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Wide range of prices for same capacity SSDs

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I'm thinking of getting a 2TB SSD for my home directory on my linux 
box.  I currently have a 1TB SSD for /home/user and a 2TB HDD for media 
I keep in my home directory, pictures, music files, etc.  I originally 
had everything on a 2TB HDD but moved everything but the media to an 
SDD.  To simplify things, I want to put it all on the same drive, only 
this time an SSD.


I've seen a  wide range of prices for 2TB SSDs.  One samsung drive was 
$130.  Another was $233. The site had a PNY SSD for $65.  I saw several 
more from brands that are shared with RAM, in the $60 to $70 range.  The 
descriptions for each suggest the read and write speeds are similar.   
Other than the brand, what are the differences between a $60 or $70 2TB 
SSD and a $250 2TB SSD?



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Re: Problem with my kids computers.

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

They do have one.  It's here https://www.speedtest.net/apps/cli



On 9/6/23 16:41, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

ookla doesn't have a linux version any longer : (

On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 10:18 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


Okla has a CLI based speed test that you can install on Linux and
run anytime.

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 07:02:13 AM MST, Keith Smith
via PLUG-discuss  wrote:


Have you contacted your ISP?  They should be able to tell you if
it is
on their end.  If this is not happening regularly I would guess it
is a
temporary outage.


On 2023-09-05 10:46, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> I was at my kids house yesterday and was trying to update Mint xfce
> 21.3 . I was having a problem with the internet. It was acting
spotty.
> I know it was because it wouldn't load web pages sometimes and
others
> it would. I also got the installer program to update on one of the
> computers. I was thinking it was the modem although their video
games
> were acting fine. mostly. I know I should have brought their
> computers home with me but. go you think it is the modems
fault or
> what?
>
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permanently delete tun0

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I was experimenting on my raspberry pi when I installed an openvpn 
server.  I no longer need it so I removed it.  However tun0 is there.  I 
tried deleting it, but when I reboot the Pi, it's back.  How do I get 
rid of tun0 once and for all?



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Configure wifi ssid and password for later use

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I have a Raspberry Pi that I've set up to control an SDR and send the 
audio back to my Kubuntu box.  It has one of the RTL usb dongles that 
uses a chip originally made for DVB-T broadcasts.  I have Simplefm, a 
command line sdr app to play FM stations and Nrsc5 for HD radio, and VLC 
to stream the audio.  I also have an OpenVPN server on it.  At some 
point I'm going to ask a friend in Phoenix to set it up for me at his 
place and connect to his router.   I wan to make it as simple as 
possible for him to set up, just connect the antenna and plug in the 
Pi.  To do that I'd need to set it up to connect to his wifi.  Is there 
a way for me to save his SSID and password before I send it to him?


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Re: Ambient light networking

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It looks like it could be something good, but they're not selling it 
yet, and aren't making it available to individuals only OEMs. One the 
site it says multiple times to download the product brief.  I clicked 
the link but got a page asking for my email address.  I didn't fill it 
in. I get too much spam as it is.  I'll wait to satisfy my curiosity 
until somebody writes a review about it.




On 7/16/23 10:05, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I saw this today, a rather neat concept that got me thinking of this 
as rather cool and finally.


https://www.purelifi.com/products/light-antenna-one/

Your lighting is your wifi antenna, and modulates IR spectrums (like 
your remote control) for data streams between access point "lights" 
and a receptor client in, say your phone.  I've seen some concepts 
over the years, but I'm genuinely excited for this sort of thing as 
something actually shipping and even an 802.11bb standard for it now.


There is already power-line networking 
, imagine your 
home power network (110/common/ground wires) as the backbone and bulbs 
are your access points to your switched data network and Internet.


Cool stuff imho.

-mb


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Re: Android phone question

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Thanks.  One of these days I'll get a 1TB card and see what happens.  If 
the phone doesn't see all of it, I'll find another use for it.


On 7/1/23 20:30, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Most of my experience when exceeding hardware spec/capacity is that it 
won't register the full amount, but as much as it *can* mostly per 
backward compatible spec.  It might not at all if the disk controller 
is too foreign or behind, but usually gives something.


Same as it's mostly been since the beginning of time really.  If not 
seeing the full amount, it's a hardware/controller limitation.  
Sometimes some medium ground, other times not all or at all.


-mb


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I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but I don't know of
anywhere else to ask.  I have a MOTO G Power 2021 phone.  I've
read the
specs on it and it supports SDXC micro sd cards.  Here's the part
that
confuses me.  I've read numerous places that SDXC supports card with
capacities up to 2TB, but the specs on the phone say it supports
micro
SD cards up to 512 GB.   I'm wondering what happens if I put a 1TB
card
in it.  Will it be able to access the entire card, or only half of
it?
If it only sees half the card, can I make two partitions of 512GB
each
to get it to see all the space on the card?


Thanks

Jim

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Android phone question

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I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but I don't know of 
anywhere else to ask.  I have a MOTO G Power 2021 phone.  I've read the 
specs on it and it supports SDXC micro sd cards.  Here's the part that 
confuses me.  I've read numerous places that SDXC supports card with  
capacities up to 2TB, but the specs on the phone say it supports micro 
SD cards up to 512 GB.   I'm wondering what happens if I put a 1TB card 
in it.  Will it be able to access the entire card, or only half of it?  
If it only sees half the card, can I make two partitions of 512GB each 
to get it to see all the space on the card?



Thanks

Jim

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Re: CHIRP on Kubuntu 22.04 fixed it

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Today I found out what I did wrong.  First I installed via synaptic.  
Today I installed chirp legacy, which worked but doesn't get any 
updates.  Then I tried installing via flatpak and snap.  The versions I 
got both times didn't work.  Finally I went to the chirp site, followed 
the instructions there.  It works.


https://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/ChirpOnLinux


Lesson learned.  Never forget RTFM.

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Re: Phoenix is emerging as the city of the future

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

One thing I've noticed about mass transit in the Valley is the money 
wasted on that train.  The train only goes where there are tracks.  
Instead of taking multiple lanes from traffic to put in the rails for 
the train, buses surely would have been a better solution.  A bus can go 
anywhere.  If a wreck blocks a road, the bus can take an alternate 
route.  The train is stuck until the wreck is cleared from the tracks.  
Some event causes an increased demand on a route, more buses can be 
easily added.  I remember when politicians were talking about the rail 
before it was built. They were saying it would cost $40 million a mile.  
$40 million is a helluva lot of buses, and we know government projects 
always end up costing way more than what the proponents say it will when 
they want the suckers (voters) to vote for it.


On 6/22/23 22:01, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote:
As a life long Arizonan, I can say that, without even reading the 
article, it's full of crap.


If Phoenix wants to be considered a city of the future, it needs to 
embrace dense urban planning (and get rid of this ridiculous urban 
sprawl), have an actual functional mass transit system, have actual 
(and affordable) entertainment, and be an actually good place to raise 
a family (which means schools that are worth a damn, walkable 
neighborhoods, family friendly entertainment, and a halfway decent 
medical system).


Right now the only thing still anchoring me to Arizona is a decent 
paying job. If that job ever goes away (more like when than if) then I 
will be looking for a better place to live.


-Matt


On 6/22/23 09:01, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,

Came upon this article that sounds interesting. 
https://www.axios.com/2023/06/21/phoenix-chips-cars


I posted an article a while ago about a class that was being offered 
to teach chip making skills (if I recall correctly).


Any thoughts on how this will help/effect Linux folks... Open Source 
people... etc?


Are we going to become Austin, TX where I hear the city is over 
populated... freeways are over crowed... etc?


Is there a shift from Silicon Valley?

How is this going to effect us?  What are the opportunities?

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Re: CHIRP on Kubuntu 22.04

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

My cable only has one connector and the radio is a Yaesu Ft-65R. It used 
to work before I upgraded to 22.04, and still works on windows 10.


On 6/22/23 21:45, Joe Neglia via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I had the same problem.  After some frustration, I discovered that 
putting pressure on that dual audio-style connector with my hand to 
hold in tightly in place throughout the entire download process solved 
the connectivity problem.  Then again, I'm using a cheap Baofeng radio 
and Baofeng cable, so that might not be your problem.  (Also, I'm 
running Debian, not Kubuntu.)


On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 8:47 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


Looks like it's just creating a generic usb serial port, so I'd
presume you need to tell the program your hardware device serial
speed, flow control, bits, etc and have it misconfigured currently
it's erroring in that seeing bits it expects returned.  Being
legacy serial vs like a hardware sdr, this is not negotiated but
rather needs set for your device requirements usually, but
depending on your hardware that might not always be the same.

Also make sure the port is actually running on /dev/ttyUSB0 and
not USB1 or other, I've had this happen if a cable gets yanked or
wiggled causing the device to reset too quickly and is already in
use.  Check using "dmesg | grep usbTTY" to make sure the number.

-mb


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I'm in need of help with Chirp on Kubuntu 22.04.  CHIRP is a
program
that allows for easy programming of a transceiver and for
backing up the
configuration of the radio in question.  I've used it before I
upgraded
to 22.04 and it worked.  Now it doesn't.  I have the port set to
/dev/ttyUSB0.   I give CHIRP the correct vendor and model
information.
Then I click download.  Chirp shows nothing, but the radio
says TX and a
progress bar then Clone OK when it's done.  This is what
should happen.
However Chirp should also show a progress bar.  However it does
nothing.  Instead it give me a dialog box that says:

Error communicating with the radio

module 'collections' has to attribute 'Callable"

This suggests to me that Chirp is sending data to the radio
that tells
it to send its data to Chirp, but it acts like the computer
isn't able
to receive it.  Does anyone know how to fix this?


Thanks.

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Re: CHIRP on Kubuntu 22.04

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On 6/22/23 20:46, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Looks like it's just creating a generic usb serial port, so I'd 
presume you need to tell the program your hardware device serial 
speed, flow control, bits, etc and have it misconfigured currently 
it's erroring in that seeing bits it expects returned.  Being legacy 
serial vs like a hardware sdr, this is not negotiated but rather needs 
set for your device requirements usually, but depending on your 
hardware that might not always be the same.
There's no way in CHIRP to set any of this.  It gives me the option to 
set a port.  My options are /dev/ttyS0 - ttyS31 and /dev/ttyUSB0.
Also make sure the port is actually running on /dev/ttyUSB0 and not 
USB1 or other, I've had this happen if a cable gets yanked or wiggled 
causing the device to reset too quickly and is already in use.  Check 
using "dmesg | grep usbTTY" to make sure the number.


dmesg | grep usbTTY provided no results, but "dmesg | grep usbTTY" 
returned the following:

[19805.739059] usb 3-4.3: pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0


-mb


On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 4:37 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


I'm in need of help with Chirp on Kubuntu 22.04.  CHIRP is a program
that allows for easy programming of a transceiver and for backing
up the
configuration of the radio in question.  I've used it before I
upgraded
to 22.04 and it worked.  Now it doesn't.  I have the port set to
/dev/ttyUSB0.   I give CHIRP the correct vendor and model
information.
Then I click download.  Chirp shows nothing, but the radio says TX
and a
progress bar then Clone OK when it's done.  This is what should
happen.
However Chirp should also show a progress bar.  However it does
nothing.  Instead it give me a dialog box that says:

Error communicating with the radio

module 'collections' has to attribute 'Callable"

This suggests to me that Chirp is sending data to the radio that
tells
it to send its data to Chirp, but it acts like the computer isn't
able
to receive it.  Does anyone know how to fix this?


Thanks.

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Re: CHIRP on Kubuntu 22.04

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I've put myself in the dialout group.  Still doesn't work.

On 6/22/23 20:34, Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I'm not familiar with that, but I know that in order to get my dive 
computer to work with subsurface on Linux I have to add my user to the 
dialout group. Maybe there's something like that for chirp?


On Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 19:37 Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


I'm in need of help with Chirp on Kubuntu 22.04.  CHIRP is a program
that allows for easy programming of a transceiver and for backing
up the
configuration of the radio in question.  I've used it before I
upgraded
to 22.04 and it worked.  Now it doesn't.  I have the port set to
/dev/ttyUSB0.   I give CHIRP the correct vendor and model
information.
Then I click download.  Chirp shows nothing, but the radio says TX
and a
progress bar then Clone OK when it's done.  This is what should
happen.
However Chirp should also show a progress bar.  However it does
nothing.  Instead it give me a dialog box that says:

Error communicating with the radio

module 'collections' has to attribute 'Callable"

This suggests to me that Chirp is sending data to the radio that
tells
it to send its data to Chirp, but it acts like the computer isn't
able
to receive it.  Does anyone know how to fix this?


Thanks.

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CHIRP on Kubuntu 22.04

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I'm in need of help with Chirp on Kubuntu 22.04.  CHIRP is a program 
that allows for easy programming of a transceiver and for backing up the 
configuration of the radio in question.  I've used it before I upgraded 
to 22.04 and it worked.  Now it doesn't.  I have the port set to 
/dev/ttyUSB0.   I give CHIRP the correct vendor and model information.  
Then I click download.  Chirp shows nothing, but the radio says TX and a 
progress bar then Clone OK when it's done.  This is what should happen.  
However Chirp should also show a progress bar.  However it does 
nothing.  Instead it give me a dialog box that says:


Error communicating with the radio

module 'collections' has to attribute 'Callable"

This suggests to me that Chirp is sending data to the radio that tells 
it to send its data to Chirp, but it acts like the computer isn't able 
to receive it.  Does anyone know how to fix this?



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Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.  I've read that 
Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John Wilkes Booth.


On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a 
sweatshop


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Qtpass and Proton Mail Bridge

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I installed QtPass and verified the programs it needs are where it 
expects to find them: /usr/bin/gpg, /usr/bin/git, /usr/bin/pwgen.


Now I launch QtPass and I see a folder in it called 
protonmail-credentials.  I double click that and it shows the password 
file.  I click it and it shows the pasword I want it to hand over to 
Proton Mail.  Yet when I reboot the machine, Proton Mail Bridge still 
nags me for a username and password.  Can anyone tell me how to get 
these two programs to talk to each other?



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Plasma black screen after login

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I booted up my Kubuntu box and when I logged in, I got nothing but a 
black screen with a mouse pointer.  I let it sit for 5 or 10 minutes but 
nothing changed.  I have Kubuntu 22.04 with Plasma version 5.24.7.  I 
found the following on a Reddit thread.


~$ mkdir kde-backup/.config kde-backup/.local kde-backup/.config/session

~$ sudo mv .config/*plasma* kde-backup/.config

~$ sudo mv .config/*kde* kde-backup/.config

~$ sudo mv .config/*kwin* kde-backup/.config

~$ sudo mv .local/share/kded5 kde-backup/.local

~$ sudo mv .config/session/kwin_* kde-backup/.config/session

First I pressed control+alt+backspace to get back to the login screen.  
Then I went to the console, did the instructions above then logged back 
in.  I was back to the default settings you'd get when first installing 
the os.


Which files and/or directories actually contain the customizations I 
made to the desktop?  I'd like to have just those files/directories 
backed up so I can restore the settings if this black screen with mouse 
pointer bug happens again.


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Re: Wine vs SDR++

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I checked this afternoon, saw a new version of wine, installed it and 
now it and SDR++ get along.  Go figure.



On 1/29/23 12:35, Jim wrote:
I have SDR++ on my Kubuntu 22.04 box and I have wine.  When I first 
installed SDR++ I had wine v 6.something that's in the Ubuntu 
repository.  It and SDR++ got along fine.  Recently I tried upgrading 
to the latest wine using the winehq repository.  When I installed it, 
it uninstalled SDR++.  I reinstalled SDR++ and it uninstalled wine.  
Any idea how I can get the latest Wine and SDR++ to stay installed on 
the same machine at the same time? Thanks



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Wine vs SDR++

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I have SDR++ on my Kubuntu 22.04 box and I have wine.  When I first 
installed SDR++ I had wine v 6.something that's in the Ubuntu 
repository.  It and SDR++ got along fine.  Recently I tried upgrading to 
the latest wine using the winehq repository.  When I installed it, it 
uninstalled SDR++.  I reinstalled SDR++ and it uninstalled wine.  Any 
idea how I can get the latest Wine and SDR++ to stay installed on the 
same machine at the same time? Thanks


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Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

This doesn't surprise me a bit.  30 years ago I worked in some fast food 
places and I saw the unreliability of many people who work there.   The 
trend is toward more of the 'I don't have to work. Everybody owes me.' 
attitude.   I saw something a couple of years ago about a fast food 
place that had robots making the burger.  Somebody would put beef, 
lettuce, tomatoes, pickles, onions, ketchup, etc in the machine and 
wrapped burgers came out the other end.  The technology hasn't had much 
success.  But as it improves, it will get cheaper.  Also with the push 
for a higher and higher minimum wage will increase demand for a burger 
making robot.  The economics professor someone mentioned is right.  Make 
something expensive and alternatives will become practical.  Also robots 
don't spit in the food and post the video to social media.


On 12/28/22 07:22, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:



Thought you might find this interesting.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/mcdonalds-unveils-first-automated-location-social-media-worried-will-cut-millions-jobs 





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Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I can't help but think about what might have happened if the guy who 
bought the router wanted to use it.


On 12/29/22 07:05, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
The article said the router had an internal hard drive.  I wonder if 
it was logging and therefore that info was found in the logs.


Scary!!



On 2022-12-28 20:48, greg zegan wrote:

Is this even possible?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11580467/Man-buys-router-thrift-store-finds-previous-owners-bank-account-credit-card-numbers.html 



 On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 06:43:09 PM MST, Keith Smith via
PLUG-discuss  wrote:

On 2022-12-28 18:25, Nathan via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 7:14:56 PM CST Keith Smith via
PLUG-discuss
wrote:


Unskilled labor is about to be hardcore unemployed and the jobs

that

will be available will be for those who have leaned some skills.




There is no such thing as unskilled labor, only exploitation of the
unprivileged.



I worked in a gas station in my youth.  Back in the 70's gas stations
were full service.  I fix flats, pumped gas, checked oil, cleaned
windshields, once in a while I would air up a tire.

And there was that job at the bakery where I made donuts.  Did not
require a lot of skill.

Seems very unskilled.




I'm thinking at some point in the future I will be replaced by a
machine.  I am a programmer.  The world will be ruled by the
engineers.



Engineers will not work if they are not paid,


Not sure anyone is suggesting they work for free.  I assume they will
be
highly paid as they are today.


they have no power unless they
work together. The elite/rich/bourgeois/1% will rule so long as they



own our
politicians and the exploited working class continues to worship

their

masters
like Musk.


I had no idea Musk was an elitist.


We are too far down the rabbit hole of Stockholm syndrome for the
working class to ever achieve anything.




We need a revolution.


Be careful what you wish for.


Of course, let them automate everything. I welcome it.
When they eliminate all jobs and replace people with machines, let

them

sell
cheese burgers to the robots.



Could create an interesting situation.



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Re: SD cards

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Thanks.   Now it makes sense.

On 12/1/22 15:05, Joseph Sinclair via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Specifications set minimum requirements, rarely does a specification set an 
actual maximum limit.
In this case, the specification requires that compliant hardware support *at 
least* the rates specified (within the defined optionality of the 
specification), but does not bar hardware from supporting higher rates or 
additional features, as long as the specification is met otherwise.
Most likely the manufacturer is quoting the maximum possible rate for their 
hardware under laboratory conditions and using carefully specified supporting 
hardware; rather than the real world conditions with various unknown additional 
hardware elements (e.g. a card reader) and environmental conditions.
Basically, you'll probably never see the maximum quoted data rate because some 
*other* hardware in the system probably won't support it (again, readers *can* 
support higher speeds, but most won't), but the card *could* deliver data at 
those rates in a theoretical perfect environment.
Most quoted rates do, somewhere in fine print and often only on their website, 
describe the basis for the claim.  With a little digging you can probably find 
the exact answer if you're curious enough.


On 2022-12-01 02:22 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I know this isn't really a linux question, but I don't know who else to ask and 
I haven't yet found an answer online, but I'm still looking.

I'm looking at buying a micro sd card and have found some UHS -I cards that 
advertize 180 MB/s read speeds and 130 MB/s write speeds,  I've also read that 
UHS - I is supposed to have a maximum speed of 104 MB/s.  Are the card makers 
guilty of false advertizing, or is there some way to get around the 104 MB/s 
limit?


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SD cards

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I know this isn't really a linux question, but I don't know who else to 
ask and I haven't yet found an answer online, but I'm still looking.


I'm looking at buying a micro sd card and have found some UHS -I cards 
that advertize 180 MB/s read speeds and 130 MB/s write speeds,  I've 
also read that UHS - I is supposed to have a maximum speed of 104 MB/s.  
Are the card makers guilty of false advertizing, or is there some way to 
get around the 104 MB/s limit?



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Re: edit apt files

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I forgot something.  Back up the files before you edit them, in case you 
make a mistake.


On 11/29/22 10:47, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I get the following errors while updating:
[code]W: Target Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured 
multiple times in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target Packages (main/binary-all/Packages) is configured multiple 
times in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target Translations (main/i18n/Translation-en_US) is configured 
multiple times in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target Translations (main/i18n/Translation-en) is configured 
multiple times in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target DEP-11 (main/dep11/Components-amd64.yml) is configured 
multiple times in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target DEP-11 (main/dep11/Components-all.yml) is configured 
multiple times in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target CNF (main/cnf/Commands-amd64) is configured multiple times 
in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target CNF (main/cnf/Commands-all) is configured multiple times in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3[/code]


Is there an easy way to fix this or will I have to go into the 
individual files and find the multiple configuration? Will I have to 
edit them with visudo or something like that?

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Re: edit apt files

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

This is one I might be able to help with since I had this same problem 
not long ago.  Here's part of that first error that was in your post.


iTarget Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple 
times in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3


According to the line above,  iTarget Packages 
(main/binary-amd64/Packages)is listed in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list and in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list.  It should only be in one file.


When I had this problem come up, I edited one of the files mentioned in 
the error messages, and saved the file.  I did the same for the other 
items it said were in there in multiple files. When I was done I ran 
sudo apt-get update.


Can anyone else tell me and Michael if there's anything important I missed?



On 11/29/22 10:47, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I get the following errors while updating:
[code]W: Target Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured 
multiple times in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target Packages (main/binary-all/Packages) is configured multiple 
times in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target Translations (main/i18n/Translation-en_US) is configured 
multiple times in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target Translations (main/i18n/Translation-en) is configured 
multiple times in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target DEP-11 (main/dep11/Components-amd64.yml) is configured 
multiple times in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target DEP-11 (main/dep11/Components-all.yml) is configured 
multiple times in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target CNF (main/cnf/Commands-amd64) is configured multiple times 
in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
W: Target CNF (main/cnf/Commands-all) is configured multiple times in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list:1 and 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3[/code]


Is there an easy way to fix this or will I have to go into the 
individual files and find the multiple configuration? Will I have to 
edit them with visudo or something like that?

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Re: software to edit dvds

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

The DVDs in question had the annoying trailers, warnings, etc as a 
separate vob file from the video that I wanted.   I tried deleting the 
vob file, but then the menu didn't work.  Vobblanker, a windows app that 
works under wine allowed me to remove the annoying crap and keep the 
menus working.  I rip DVDs using Handbrake and store the resulting video 
files on a hard drive.  I use the DVDs as a backup.  I was curious how 
to remove the annoying crap.  If I'm going to pay good money for a DVD, 
I believe I have the right to back it up so I can watch the video 
without risking wear and tear or damage to the  DVDs I bought. Anything 
I've read on the matter says it's legal to make a backup copy, but not 
to share it with or give it to others.  Also don't the feds have other 
stuff more important to worry about?



On 11/6/22 07:50, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote:
If I had this task, I would rip the DVD then use an editor to cut out 
the ads.  If I were really adventurous, I might even upscale the DVD 
rip to HD.  The more I work with 4K, the more I believe it has its 
place, but not as an everyday replacement to HD.


Regards,

George Toft

On 11/3/2022 8:06 PM, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
 I bought some DVDs recently that have those annoying trailers before 
the main menu that I can't skip or fast forward to.   Is there some 
llnux software that would let me remove those trailers from a copy  I 
make of one of the DVDs? thanks



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Re: software to edit dvds

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

LOLOL.  Thanks for the laugh.  I needed it.

On 11/7/22 05:48, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Step 1: Rip DVD (MakeMKV, or others)

Step 2: Have deep philosophical discussion on the ethics of your actions

Step 3: Use any video editing tool to trim out the parts of the file 
you don't want.


Step 4: (optionally) burn to DVD as playable movie ... (preserving the 
menu content isn't possible at this point. That ship sailed when you 
ripped it).


Step 4a: Play digitally with Plex.

Step 5: Explain to your wife (or significant other) that it's a hobby, 
and not stupid, and if you upgraded the computer (server) Plex would 
play her Hallmark movies and RealHousewives episodes better ... (it 
won't, but she doesn't need to know that).



Thanks,
Alexander

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+

On Sun, Nov 6, 2022, 10:50 Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


I always laugh with new format introductions by the media cartels
to get people to buy the same thing all over again, now these
streaming services, and still somehow get fed ads for your
patronage.  Or I can just download a clean, perfect version of
that already in about 2 minutes of effort from piratebay.  Unless
you really feel some guilt or enjoy the technical practice of
ripping video, just download it using a vpn to some random place
and save the effort someone else already did.

I haven't paid for media or seen commercials in 25 years, and
rather spend for new hard drives and bandwidth over a new movie
I'm going to download on said hard drive, watch exactly once (if
that), delete, and forget. Apparently people like me haven't
ruined the business that the Disney's and the other mega media
cartels go out of business yet and still maintain record profits. 
Go figure.

-mb


On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 8:00 AM George Toft via PLUG-discuss
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What I do in the privacy of my own home is none of the
Government's
business.  It's in the Constitution.  Not that the Government
cares much
about that, either.

Regards,

George Toft

On 11/3/2022 9:16 PM, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Altering a dvd for any reason is against federal law. It
displays that on the beginning of the dvd or Blu-ray.
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022, at 20:06, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> I bought some DVDs recently that have those annoying
trailers before
>> the main menu that I can't skip or fast forward to.   Is
there some
>> llnux software that would let me remove those trailers from
a copy  I
>> make of one of the DVDs? thanks
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Re: software to edit dvds

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I knew about the fair use provision, so I couldn't believe that I would 
get into trouble for removing the ads for other titles I'm not 
interested in.  I found VobBlanker.  It is a windows program but runs 
under wine.  It seems to me another legitimate use for such software 
might be a company or other organization that has a promotional DVD that 
includes a component they want to change., a corporate logo for 
example.  Maybe it's an introduction from somebody who is no longer part 
of the company, or a video they want to add to or remove from the disc, 
and alter the menu at the same time.


On 11/3/22 21:57, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Um, that’s actually a copyright issue, not one involving alterations. Frankly, 
if you own the physical media, you can do anything with it so long as you don’t 
share it with others. That means up to, and including, making a physical backup 
or Digital copy for your machine. I believe this might fall under fair use. 
Then again, I am no lawyer or officer of the court.

Now, as for creating a dvd/blu-ray, there are tools available to do that. I 
don’t need to name them here as they are already known. Now, so long as your 
digital copy is under your control and not being shared with anyone else, I 
don’t see what the problem is. Still, if you want the finer points of the law, 
best to consult an attorney well versed in media and copyright.

-Eric
 From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Graphics rendering Dept.



On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:16 PM, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss 
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Altering a dvd for any reason is against federal law. It displays that on the 
beginning of the dvd or Blu-ray.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2022, at 20:06, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I bought some DVDs recently that have those annoying trailers before
the main menu that I can't skip or fast forward to.   Is there some
llnux software that would let me remove those trailers from a copy  I
make of one of the DVDs? thanks


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software to edit dvds

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 I bought some DVDs recently that have those annoying trailers before 
the main menu that I can't skip or fast forward to.   Is there some 
llnux software that would let me remove those trailers from a copy  I 
make of one of the DVDs? thanks



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Re: T-Mobile Home Internet followup

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Yes I know the FCC auctioned off what were tv channels and cell phone 
companies paid for them.   From having lived in rural areas of Arizona 
for much of my life, I can say from experience that the UHF channels 
from Phoenix didn't reach out into rural areas very well.  At one time 
Phoenix had tv stations on 15, 21,33,45, 61 and several other low power 
stations.  My point was that frequencies once used for television are 
now being used for cell phone service, including 5G.


On 10/31/22 12:58, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
The UHF TV channels were hardly used, mainly for servicing rural 
areas. Large densely populated areas did not use them. And the FCC 
tended to allocate the lower-end frequencies first. So not many people 
got exposed to the upper-band emissions.


None of this airspace was “given away” to anybody. The FCC has public 
auctions from time to time, and has raised several billion dollars in 
leases for these licenses. Each license is for a local geographic 
area; to get similar band frequencies in multiple areas, companies 
must bid on them individually.


T-Mo bought Sprint in large part b/c of the big swaths of licenses 
they had been sitting on that complemented T-Mo’s existing 
infrastructure. And in the most recent auctions, hardly anybody placed 
any bids, so T-Mo/Sprint captured the lion’s share of the licenses 
being auctioned at a significant discount.


T-Mo has been rolling out their Home Internet for a few years now. 
I’ve had it since not long after it launched on 4G and it’s the best 
service I’ve ever had. But its availability has been restricted until 
recently. In the zones where they’d offer it, it worked well. But 
since they opened it up to everybody, there are zones where it does 
not work well. A friend of  mine just tried it out and it didn’t work 
for him, so he returned the device the next day. I had the same 
problem with Sprint’s phone service at one place I lived, and other 
carriers’ cell service elsewhere.


There are lots of “blind spots” for EVERY carrier where their service 
doesn’t work. At least T-Mo knows this and they are really great about 
taking back the equipment and cancelling the service. I once got a 
cell phone at Costco and Sprint service, and as I said it did not work 
at my home. That turned into a nightmare b/c while Sprint was happy to 
cancel the service, the marketing company selling it at Costco refused 
to take the phones back and refund anything. It wasn’t either Sprint 
nor Costco, just some jerk-ass vendor who hada  no-return / 
no-cancellation policy that they weren’t up-front about, and Costco 
didn’t seem to care at the time.


But I’m very happy with my T-Mo Home Internet, mainly b/c the only 
other option I’ve got is Cox, and it kept going down when I had it b/c 
the equipment was old and they kept prioritizing newer areas to 
upgrade. I have been getting flyers from CenturyLink for years about 
how they’re installing fiber in the area, but it always stops 1/4 mile 
away. I guess they just don’t have enough customers in my subdivision 
to make it worth their while.


The Good News is T-Mo installed a new 5G tower 1000 feet south of me 
and it beams a signal right into this neighborhood. It’s way stronger 
than the old 4G signal I was getting from AT It’s always a 
crap-shoot with these folks.


-David Schwartz




On Oct 31, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Jim via PLUG-discuss 
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What  the carriers are calling 5G is a portion of the 5G standards 
that don't provide the high speed service that the mmwave tech does.  
For the last 40 years, the FCC has been handing over to cell phone 
companies chunks of spectrum that previously were reserved for over 
the air television.  Until some time in the 80s, the top tv channel 
was 83.  Then it was reduced to  69 with 70 - 83 given to cell 
phones.  Later they did it again with the highest tv channel being 
51. More recently the government again gave channels 38-51 to the 
cell phone carriers.  Currently the top tv channel is 36.  37 is 
reserved for radio astronomy.


I laugh when I read something about these moonbats who go on about 5G 
signals being hazardous to human health.  They've been exposed to 
those frequencies for decades when they were used for television.


My guess is that T Mobile's service went down the crapper because 
people signed up for it, they don't have the capacity to handle the 
demand customers are placing on the network and either are unable to 
correct the problem or unwilling to spend the money to fix it.


on 10/30/22 16:11, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks for the feedback, though that really bites.  Reminds me of 
Sprint wireless broadband circa 2001 using fixed antennas, it was 
great at first, but then only in the middle of the night, as it 
sucked entirely during the day as it couldn't deal with the capacity 
either.


I'm not surprised, real 5g using mmwave technology is really only 
decent to around 700ft or so, as I've used a few

Re: T-Mobile Home Internet followup

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

What  the carriers are calling 5G is a portion of the 5G standards that 
don't provide the high speed service that the mmwave tech does.  For the 
last 40 years, the FCC has been handing over to cell phone companies 
chunks of spectrum that previously were reserved for over the air 
television.  Until some time in the 80s, the top tv channel was 83.  
Then it was reduced to  69 with 70 - 83 given to cell phones.  Later 
they did it again with the highest tv channel being 51.  More recently 
the government again gave channels 38-51 to the cell phone carriers.  
Currently the top tv channel is 36.  37 is reserved for radio astronomy.


I laugh when I read something about these moonbats who go on about 5G 
signals being hazardous to human health.  They've been exposed to those 
frequencies for decades when they were used for television.


My guess is that T Mobile's service went down the crapper because people 
signed up for it, they don't have the capacity to handle the demand 
customers are placing on the network and either are unable to correct 
the problem or unwilling to spend the money to fix it.


on 10/30/22 16:11, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks for the feedback, though that really bites.  Reminds me of 
Sprint wireless broadband circa 2001 using fixed antennas, it was 
great at first, but then only in the middle of the night, as it sucked 
entirely during the day as it couldn't deal with the capacity either.


I'm not surprised, real 5g using mmwave technology is really only 
decent to around 700ft or so, as I've used a few products for fixed 
wireless point to point or multipoint as well.  It's also what drives 
ultrawideband technology used by apple now pervasively, marketed as a 
"personal area network" for short range optimized use.  It's simply 
not *good* as a wan technology.


That said, carriers use 5G generically whether they're talking real 
mmwave 5G or just some enhanced version of 4G they can't market 
anymore unless they call it 5G too, so who knows what you're really using.


My customer is starting to use 5g in a large local 1100-some store 
retail chain to get off the last remnants of the last of old T1's and 
other crap rural broadband providers as the only choice until now, 
it'll be interesting to see how they fare here and other region 
markets in the long run.


-mb


On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 3:44 PM Daniel Stasinski via PLUG-discuss 
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A while back I gave impressive stats and glowing praise on my
switch to T-Mobile Home Internet.  It had a few limitations that I
had to work around, but it was fast.  However, for almost a
month now it has dropped to just above T1 speed most of the day
and is pretty much useless.  I'll be switching back to DSL, which
unfortunately is my only other option where I live.

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Re: Cheap Laptop

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I like the idea.  Do android apps run on them?


On 10/12/22 16:40, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote:

With pine phone you have root access.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, at 11:02, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

It seems to be a trend in the industry to take away from customers the
ability to install what they want on their computers.  It's been that
way with android devices since they began.  Good luck finding a phone
or tablet where you the owner have root access to the device that you
bought.  I get the impression Microsoft wants that in the PC market.

On 10/11/22 19:43, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I'd say STAY AWAY from it

About Windows 11 in S mode

Windows 11 in S mode is a version of Windows 11 that's streamlined for security 
and performance, while providing a familiar Windows experience. To increase 
security, it allows only apps from Microsoft Store, and requires Microsoft Edge 
for safe browsing.


It's a crippled system !!!


On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:

Hi,

I was bebopping through the web and I saw this Gateway laptop on sale at
Amazon:


Gateway 15.6" Ultra Slim Notebook with Carrying Case & Wireless Mouse,
FHD, Intel® Core™ i3-1115G4, Dual Core, 4GB Memory, 128GB SSD, Tuned by
THX™ Audio, 1.0MP Webcam, HDMI, Cortana, Windows 11 S

Now $179.00
was $445.00


https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-15-6-Ultra-Slim-Notebook-Carrying-Case-Wireless-Mouse-FHD-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-Dual-Core-4GB-Memory-128GB-SSD-Tuned-THX-Audio-1-0MP-Webcam-HD/996759914?athbdg=L1800

Nice!!

Keith
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Re: Cheap Laptop

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It seems to be a trend in the industry to take away from customers the 
ability to install what they want on their computers.  It's been that 
way with android devices since they began.  Good luck finding a phone or 
tablet where you the owner have root access to the device that you 
bought.  I get the impression Microsoft wants that in the PC market.


On 10/11/22 19:43, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I'd say STAY AWAY from it


About Windows 11 in S mode

Windows 11 in S mode is a version of Windows 11 that's streamlined for 
security and performance, while providing a familiar Windows 
experience. To increase security, it allows only apps from Microsoft 
Store, and requires Microsoft Edge for safe browsing.



It's a crippled system !!!


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 wrote:


Hi,

I was bebopping through the web and I saw this Gateway laptop on
sale at
Amazon:


Gateway 15.6" Ultra Slim Notebook with Carrying Case & Wireless
Mouse,
FHD, Intel® Core™ i3-1115G4, Dual Core, 4GB Memory, 128GB SSD,
Tuned by
THX™ Audio, 1.0MP Webcam, HDMI, Cortana, Windows 11 S

Now $179.00
was $445.00



https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-15-6-Ultra-Slim-Notebook-Carrying-Case-Wireless-Mouse-FHD-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-Dual-Core-4GB-Memory-128GB-SSD-Tuned-THX-Audio-1-0MP-Webcam-HD/996759914?athbdg=L1800

Nice!!

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Re: hows the weather over in PHX?

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I like to know what the weather's like back home, so I keep this site 
bookmarked


https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/phoenix/85003/weather-forecast/346935

On 10/2/22 14:22, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
A hurricane just blew through here. Here in ocala we didn't even get a 
lot of rain or wind.


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Change color in plasma message windows

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I have Kubuntu 22.04 installed.   I have one problem with the appearance 
of the text in the message windows that pop up.  The background is 
black.  The text is almost as black.  Here is an example.  Look below 
Copying and to the left of Home/desktop. There's some   very dark text 
that you might not be able to see. How do I change the color is it?  thanks


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KtYHH03yt1Fm8RnBLxCYdOF_x7LItZRk/view?usp=sharing

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Re: Plasma bug - can't download new stuff

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I found out I can go to store.kde.org and download what I'm looking for 
then install it. thanks



On 9/27/22 06:56, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

If I recall there is a browser extension that KDE uses to grab downloads.

Or is that gnome...

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:02 AM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


I've got Kubuntu 22.04 and I've found a bug.  In system settings I
clicked appearance and tries to download a new global theme. I
clicked
the Get New Global Themes button and got this error:

Loading of providers from file:
https://autoconfig.kde.org/ocs/providers.xml failed

I also tried plasma style, and all the other options that had a
Get New
button.  Each time I clicked the Get New button I got the same error.
Does anyone know how to fix this?  Thanks

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gpg and pass

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Today I tried installing the Protonmail bridge. When I tried to run it, 
it put up an error message that an approved password manager was not 
found (secret-service or pass).    I installed pass and tried to start 
it with a gpg key I created just for Protonmail bridge by entering pass 
init a...@a.com. gpg --list-keys and gpg --list-secret keys showed the key 
was there, but pass init a...@a.com returned the following error:



Password store initialized for a...@a.com
gpg: error reading key: No public key
protonmail-credentials/cHJvdG9ubWFpbC9icmlkZ2UvdXNlcnMvek8wWU1QLVBCX29ydkozdGg0OFRuWUZpX0NlSkpFVGx1
OGhzR0o4d3BFaWozbWVFLXBLUzdmV20wR05ZY2pNanB6WVpmS25rY2dVdWppMGlwdGVVQlE9PQ==/zO0YMP-PB_orvJ3th48TnY
Fi_CeJJETlu8hsGJ8wpEij3meE-pKS7fWm0GNYcjMjpzYZfKnkcgUuji0ipteUBQ==: 
reencrypting to

gpg: decryption failed: No secret key
gpg: connecting dirmngr at '/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.dirmngr' failed: IPC 
connect call failed

gpg: error retrieving 'a...@a.com' via WKD: No dirmngr
gpg: a...@a.com: skipped: No dirmngr
gpg: [stdin]: encryption failed: No dirmngr
delboy@ladmo:~$ protonmail-bridge --cli


Any idea how to fix this? thanks

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Re: Plasma bug - can't download new stuff

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This afternoon I launched systemsettings5 from the command line. When I 
clicked the get new themes button, this turned up in the terminal window:



qt.network.ssl: QSslSocket: cannot resolve SSL_get1_peer_certificate
qt.network.ssl: QSslSocket: cannot resolve EVP_PKEY_get_base_id
qt.network.ssl: QSslSocket: cannot resolve SSL_CTX_load_verify_dir
qt.network.ssl: QSslSocket: cannot call unresolved function 
SSL_CTX_load_verify_dir
qt.network.ssl: An error encountered while to set root certificates 
location: ""
qt.network.ssl: QSslSocket: cannot call unresolved function 
SSL_get1_peer_certificate
qt.network.ssl: QSslSocket: cannot call unresolved function 
SSL_get1_peer_certificate

kf.newstuff.core: "SSL handshake failed"


Here's a screenshot showing the error I get  in the gui.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P-2cs44ubzQVJBoxLXgfQ4wZ4W4JiUI1/view?usp=sharing


On 9/27/22 06:56, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

If I recall there is a browser extension that KDE uses to grab downloads.

Or is that gnome...

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:02 AM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


I've got Kubuntu 22.04 and I've found a bug.  In system settings I
clicked appearance and tries to download a new global theme. I
clicked
the Get New Global Themes button and got this error:

Loading of providers from file:
https://autoconfig.kde.org/ocs/providers.xml failed

I also tried plasma style, and all the other options that had a
Get New
button.  Each time I clicked the Get New button I got the same error.
Does anyone know how to fix this?  Thanks

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Re: Plasma bug - can't download new stuff

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That must be gnome.

On 9/27/22 06:56, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

If I recall there is a browser extension that KDE uses to grab downloads.

Or is that gnome...

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:02 AM Jim via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


I've got Kubuntu 22.04 and I've found a bug.  In system settings I
clicked appearance and tries to download a new global theme. I
clicked
the Get New Global Themes button and got this error:

Loading of providers from file:
https://autoconfig.kde.org/ocs/providers.xml failed

I also tried plasma style, and all the other options that had a
Get New
button.  Each time I clicked the Get New button I got the same error.
Does anyone know how to fix this?  Thanks

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I've got Kubuntu 22.04 and I've found a bug.  In system settings I 
clicked appearance and tries to download a new global theme.  I clicked 
the Get New Global Themes button and got this error:


Loading of providers from file: 
https://autoconfig.kde.org/ocs/providers.xml failed


I also tried plasma style, and all the other options that had a Get New 
button.  Each time I clicked the Get New button I got the same error.  
Does anyone know how to fix this?  Thanks


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Re: Boot up from cold boot no network

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I tried cold booting this computer from a parted magic image I have on a 
usb stick.  This also resulted in no network.  I then shut it down and 
cold booted into windows, also no network, so it appears to be happening 
regardless of the OS.


On 9/23/22 12:04, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I am very interested in the answer because my desktop does the same thing if I 
tell it to hibernate, boot into my windows dual boot, and reboot back into 
linux. I can regain network access again by hibernating again and booting back 
into linux directly (no windows). Pretty annoying because it takes a solid 2-5 
minutes to shut down when hibernating. At least it still does the job, just 
with delay.

This only happens if I try hibernating and then boot into windows (not full 
shutdown, not hibernate and boot directly to linux). It has always happened 
since I enabled hibernation (arch wiki instructions). Having Systemd restart 
NetworkManager does nothing. Setting up a new network configuration with 
networkmanager does not solve it. This is with my motherboard ethernet and my 
wireless USB adapter. I spent some good energy trying to figure it out, but 
never did.


Did you update kernels today? What if you downgrade?

Put the solution as a boot script. Or at least bash profile instead of run 
commands (otherwise it will run every time you spawn a terminal shell)

Sep 23, 2022 11:14:35 Jim via PLUG-discuss :


A few months ago my Dell Optiplex 7010 running Ubuntu 20.04 started booting up 
without the network.  I'd reboot the machine and  the network was there.  If I 
shut down the machine and turned it on again, no network.  I thought something 
was wrong with the built in ethernet adapter, so I bought a usb adapter, 
disabled the built in one and the problem went away until today.  Now it's 
happening with the usb ethernet adapter.  Rebooting the machine fixes the 
problem gets the network up and running.  If I start with a cold boot and 
reboot at the grub screen, I get the network.  I have 3 SSDs and 2 HDDs.  I 
have the same video card that I had before this problem first showed itself.  
It's a GeForce GT 710.

I looked online and found something telling of other people who have had this 
problem.  They disconnected video cards and went back to the built in video 
(display port), and removed hard drives that had been added later and this 
fixed the problem.  The ultimate solution was to replace the power supply.  I 
disconnected one SSD and the 2 HDDs.  I don't have anything that can use a 
display port, so I left the video card in place.  All I had connected were  2 
SSDs.  One it boots from and my home directory is on the other.  The problem 
still showed itself when I booted the machine, so I shut down and plugged in 
everything again.  This thing has a 240 watt power supply.  Do power supplies 
go band in such a way they don't produce the amount of power they used to?

Any ideas what it might be?  Is there a command that would tell the system to 
set up the network again?  If there is, I could put it in the .bashrc until I 
get this fixed.

Thanks

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Re: Boot up from cold boot no network

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I think I should stay with Ubuntu for now, but thanks. I've found it's 
often best to not overcomplicate things.


On 9/23/22 15:54, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On Fri, 2022-09-23 at 12:04 -0700, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I am very interested in the answer because my desktop does the same thing if I
tell it to hibernate, boot into my windows dual boot, and reboot back into 
linux.
I can regain network access again by hibernating again and booting back into 
linux
directly (no windows). Pretty annoying because it takes a solid 2-5 minutes to
shut down when hibernating. At least it still does the job, just with delay.

2 to 5 minutes to shut down isn't unusual with systemd. Also, Ubuntu is ultra
friendly and hardware tolerant, but there's a cost: Layers upon layers upon 
layers
of abstraction, making troubleshooting a needle in a haystack. Also, 
NetworkManager
is kind of twitchy and overly dependent on dbus.

If you no longer need the training wheels Ubuntu provides, I suggest you switch 
to
Devuan, or if you're comfortable with a close to the metal Linux with an 
excellent
rolling release packaging system, Void Linux. Both of these get rid of systemd.

I suggest you use runit as your init system: It's much better than sysvinit. 
Devuan
has a package for it and Void comes with runit straight from the factory. If 
you use
Devuan, you might want to use sysvinit as your PID1, and then supervise your 
daemons
with runit.

If your computer has a fixed IP address, you can set it with the upnet.sh
shellscript performed as the last thing in the boot (put it in rc.local). For 
the
long version of upnet.sh that's good to use with Qemu virtual machines, see
http://troubleshooters.com/linux/qemu/nobs.htm#hostnetworking . For a short and 
to
the point upnet.sh, see the following and modify as necessary:


===
#!/bin/sh

# MAKE SURE IP FORWARDING IS ENABLED
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

# DEAL WITH HOSTNAME AND LOCALHOST
hostname=`grep -v "^\s*#"  /etc/hostname | head -n1`
ip link set dev lo up

# UNDO ANY POSSIBLE STUFF FROM PREVIOUS UPNET.SH
ip link set dev tap0 down
brctl delif br0 tap0
ip link del tap0
ip link set dev br0 down
ip addr del 192.168.0.102/24 dev br0
ip addr del 192.168.0.2/24 dev br0
brctl delbr br0
ip link set dev enp40s0 down
ip addr del 192.168.0.102/24 dev enp40s0
ip addr del 192.168.0.2/24 dev enp40s0

# BRING UP enp40s0
#ip addr add 192.168.0.2/24 dev enp40s0
#ip addr add 192.168.0.102/24 dev enp40s0
ip link set dev enp40s0 up
#ip route add default via 192.168.0.1

### GET br0 UP AND RUNNING WITH RIGHT IP ADDRESSES
ip link add name br0 type bridge
ip link set dev enp40s0 master br0
ip addr add 192.168.0.2/24 dev br0
ip addr add 192.168.0.102/24 dev br0
ip link set dev br0 up
ip route add default via 192.168.0.1

### DO THE TUN/TAP STUFF
ip tuntap add tap0 mode tap
brctl addif br0 tap0
#ip addr add 192.168.0.66/24 dev tap0
ip link set dev tap0 up
==

The nice thing about the preceding is it's portable between distros. You can 
even
use it in Ubuntu to restore your static network connectivity if if vanishes. 
Note
that if you're not using taps or bridges you can eliminate a lot of it, but 
you'll
need to uncomment a couple things. Obviously, you'll need to change IP 
addresses to
your desired network device name, static IP and default route.

HTH,

SteveT




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Re: Boot up from cold boot no network

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The onboard nic is a 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (Lewisville)
   vendor: Intel Corporation

The driver is e1000e. When this nic began acting up a few months ago, I 
started using the usb adapter.  When it started acting up, I removed it 
and went back to the onboard nic.


ip link showed

: 1: lo:  mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 so ip 
neighbor showed nothing.  ip address: 1: lo:  mtu 
65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000

    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 ::1/128 scope host
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

tcpdump did nothing.

Joseph Sinclair asked if I upgraded or downgraded the kernel. I hadn't 
upgraded the kernel unless it did that when I upgraded to Kubuntu 22.04.


I ran journalctl -xe after it booted up without the network and with 
it.  I wouldn't know what to look for.  If anyone else wants to have a 
look, I've put version on google drive.


without network 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tPf-2wzsAdN9YL1fbIt0gbJu082YCqUU/view?usp=sharing


with network 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_dc12Loro0D4dCe8_kodqIj3GKTQOspf/view?usp=sharing


On 9/23/22 14:00, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I've used a lot of usb-based devices, and still do technically with a 
thunderbolt dock for like the past 5 years, and not really run into 
this on either ubuntu or arch.  I've run into some weirdness before 
though with wired or wireless nics. Basic linux network 101 applies... 
test it like a network engineer, layer 1-7.


use "ip link" to see the state of of the physical nic, or verify layer 1
use "ip neighbor" to verify you see mac forwarding ala arp table, or 
layer 2/3
use "ip address" to verify exactly that, verifying dhcp or static 
configs take place for layer 3
use "iftop" or "tcpdump" to see what traffic is sending, and if any is 
coming back assuming your nic has link for layer 2-7


Aside from that probably a kernel/firmware thing.  Use journalctl -xe 
or -b options to show you boot and logs (as root) of what happens 
around the events with your nic.  It could be some firmware bug, 
realtek's used to be terrible cursed names, but really haven't a 
problem for me in the past 5-10 years I'd say, and you're hard pressed 
to find a usb nic that *isn't* a realtek.


You can probably rmmod and insmod the realtek driver too as long as 
something isn't using it.  If it's busted, it should not be used, but 
stranger things happen, especially if firmware is hung in a funky way, 
which is usually what would always happen with them.


-mb


On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 12:04 PM T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:


I am very interested in the answer because my desktop does the
same thing if I tell it to hibernate, boot into my windows dual
boot, and reboot back into linux. I can regain network access
again by hibernating again and booting back into linux directly
(no windows). Pretty annoying because it takes a solid 2-5 minutes
to shut down when hibernating. At least it still does the job,
just with delay.

This only happens if I try hibernating and then boot into windows
(not full shutdown, not hibernate and boot directly to linux). It
has always happened since I enabled hibernation (arch wiki
instructions). Having Systemd restart NetworkManager does nothing.
Setting up a new network configuration with networkmanager does
not solve it. This is with my motherboard ethernet and my wireless
USB adapter. I spent some good energy trying to figure it out, but
never did.


Did you update kernels today? What if you downgrade?

Put the solution as a boot script. Or at least bash profile
instead of run commands (otherwise it will run every time you
spawn a terminal shell)

Sep 23, 2022 11:14:35 Jim via PLUG-discuss
:

> A few months ago my Dell Optiplex 7010 running Ubuntu 20.04
started booting up without the network.  I'd reboot the machine
and  the network was there.  If I shut down the machine and turned
it on again, no network.  I thought something was wrong with the
built in ethernet adapter, so I bought a usb adapter, disabled the
built in one and the problem went away until today.  Now it's
happening with the usb ethernet adapter.  Rebooting the machine
fixes the problem gets the network up and running.  If I start
with a cold boot and reboot at the grub screen, I get the
network.  I have 3 SSDs and 2 HDDs.  I have the same video card
that I had before this problem first showed itself.  It's a
GeForce GT 710.
>
> I looked online and found something telling of other people who
have had this problem.  They disconnected video cards and went

Re: Boot up from cold boot no network

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I checked

/usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf.  The link you 
mentioned was the only line in the file.
 I commented out the line.  It now reads [keyfile]
#unmanaged-devices=*,except:type:wifi,except:type:gsm,except:type:cdma

I ran systemctl reload NetworkManager and shut down.  I booted the machine 
again, no network. I ran ifconfig and it didn't even shoe the network adapter.
delboy@ladmo:~$ ifconfig
lo: flags=73  mtu 65536
inet 127.0.0.1  netmask 255.0.0.0
inet6 ::1  prefixlen 128  scopeid 0x10
loop  txqueuelen 1000  (Local Loopback)
RX packets 1289  bytes 103269 (103.2 KB)
RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
TX packets 1289  bytes 103269 (103.2 KB)
TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

After I rebooted, the network was back and ifconfig showed lo and the ethernet 
adapter.

eno1: flags=4163  mtu 1500    inet 
192.168.1.2  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 192.168.1.255    inet6 
fe80::1480:79c7:4830:8495  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20   
  ether 34:17:eb:d0:34:55  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)    RX 
packets 1528  bytes 618600 (618.6 KB)    RX errors 0  dropped 0 
 overruns 0  frame 0    TX packets 1453  bytes 198021 (198.0 KB) 
   TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0 
   device interrupt 20  memory 0xf720-f722


On 9/23/22 13:57, Joseph Sinclair via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I've discovered a similar issue just yesterday.  I hunted it down and found 
that the cause, for me at least, was in the static NetworkManager configuration.
NetworkManager configuration now marks *all* interfaces as unmanaged *except* 
WiFi and Cellular, basically all non-wireless interfaces are prevented from 
being activated.  Apparently some genius at Ubuntu decided nobody uses wired 
connections.
In /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf, check the line that 
starts with "unmanaged-devices".  If it reads as follows, consider modifying or 
commenting out the line.
 unmanaged-devices=*,except=type:wifi,except=type:gsm,except=type:cdma

If you make changes, run "systemctl reload NetworkManager" to update the 
running daemon.


On 2022-09-23 12:04 PM, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I am very interested in the answer because my desktop does the same thing if I 
tell it to hibernate, boot into my windows dual boot, and reboot back into 
linux. I can regain network access again by hibernating again and booting back 
into linux directly (no windows). Pretty annoying because it takes a solid 2-5 
minutes to shut down when hibernating. At least it still does the job, just 
with delay.

This only happens if I try hibernating and then boot into windows (not full 
shutdown, not hibernate and boot directly to linux). It has always happened 
since I enabled hibernation (arch wiki instructions). Having Systemd restart 
NetworkManager does nothing. Setting up a new network configuration with 
networkmanager does not solve it. This is with my motherboard ethernet and my 
wireless USB adapter. I spent some good energy trying to figure it out, but 
never did.


Did you update kernels today? What if you downgrade?

Put the solution as a boot script. Or at least bash profile instead of run 
commands (otherwise it will run every time you spawn a terminal shell)

Sep 23, 2022 11:14:35 Jim via PLUG-discuss:


A few months ago my Dell Optiplex 7010 running Ubuntu 20.04 started booting up 
without the network.  I'd reboot the machine and  the network was there.  If I 
shut down the machine and turned it on again, no network.  I thought something 
was wrong with the built in ethernet adapter, so I bought a usb adapter, 
disabled the built in one and the problem went away until today.  Now it's 
happening with the usb ethernet adapter.  Rebooting the machine fixes the 
problem gets the network up and running.  If I start with a cold boot and 
reboot at the grub screen, I get the network.  I have 3 SSDs and 2 HDDs.  I 
have the same video card that I had before this problem first showed itself.  
It's a GeForce GT 710.

I looked online and found something telling of other people who have had this 
problem.  They disconnected video cards and went back to the built in video 
(display port), and removed hard drives that had been added later and this 
fixed the problem.  The ultimate solution was to replace the power supply.  I 
disconnected one SSD and the 2 HDDs.  I don't have anything that can use a 
display port, so I left the video card in place.  All I had connected were  2 
SSDs.  One it boots from and my home directory is on the other.  The problem 
still showed itself when I booted the machine, so I shut down and plugged in 
everything again.  This thing has a 240 watt power supply.  Do power supplies 
go band in such a way they don't produce the amount of power they used to?

Any ideas what it might be?  Is there a com

Boot up from cold boot no network

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

A few months ago my Dell Optiplex 7010 running Ubuntu 20.04 started 
booting up without the network.  I'd reboot the machine and  the network 
was there.  If I shut down the machine and turned it on again, no 
network.  I thought something was wrong with the built in ethernet 
adapter, so I bought a usb adapter, disabled the built in one and the 
problem went away until today.  Now it's happening with the usb ethernet 
adapter.  Rebooting the machine fixes the problem gets the network up 
and running.  If I start with a cold boot and reboot at the grub screen, 
I get the network.  I have 3 SSDs and 2 HDDs.  I have the same video 
card that I had before this problem first showed itself.  It's a GeForce 
GT 710.


I looked online and found something telling of other people who have had 
this problem.  They disconnected video cards and went back to the built 
in video (display port), and removed hard drives that had been added 
later and this fixed the problem.  The ultimate solution was to replace 
the power supply.  I disconnected one SSD and the 2 HDDs.  I don't have 
anything that can use a display port, so I left the video card in 
place.  All I had connected were  2 SSDs.  One it boots from and my home 
directory is on the other.  The problem still showed itself when I 
booted the machine, so I shut down and plugged in everything again.  
This thing has a 240 watt power supply.  Do power supplies go band in 
such a way they don't produce the amount of power they used to?


Any ideas what it might be?  Is there a command that would tell the 
system to set up the network again?  If there is, I could put it in the 
.bashrc until I get this fixed.


Thanks

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wget ssl certificate problem

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This has been bugging me for a while, but today it's annoying me to the 
point I want to fix it.  Wget gives me an error whenever I try to use 
it.  I have no problem getting files using a web browser.  Here's an 
example.  Using firefox I was able to download the file, but this can be 
a pain in the butt when I'm trying to add a repository.  I have Ubuntu 
20.04 installed.



$ wget https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/68992.epub.images
--2022-09-16 14:08:02-- https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/68992.epub.images
Resolving www.gutenberg.org (www.gutenberg.org)... 152.19.134.47, 
2610:28:3090:3000:0:bad:cafe:47
Connecting to www.gutenberg.org 
(www.gutenberg.org)|152.19.134.47|:443... connected.
ERROR: cannot verify www.gutenberg.org's certificate, issued by 
‘CN=Network Solutions OV Server CA 2

,O=Network Solutions L.L.C.,L=Herndon,ST=VA,C=US’:
 Self-signed certificate encountered.
To connect to www.gutenberg.org insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'.

Any idea how to fix this?  thanks

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Re: Customize Apache2 directory list

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

Thank you James and Matt for your help.  This will work.

On 8/21/22 17:22, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On 2022-08-21 16:43, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 2:42 PM Jim wrote:

Today I got Apache2 running on it to serve music to my android
phone so could listen when I'm out in the yard.   It works but
the size of the text in the directory listing is really small.  How can
I enlarge the size of the text?    I looked online but didn't find
anything that  made sense.  Some sites said to use a css file.


It's slightly more complicated than it should be, but read on.


If you're using the apache indexes page, you can add an
IndexStyleSheet directive.
https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_autoindex.html#indexstylesheet


This will not do what you want without extensive fiddling.  I found a 
better solution, or at least a hacked-together starting point, by 
cannibalizing and simplifying the Apaxy github project. I had to put 
these lines into the  where my default vhost lives:


IndexStyleSheet /indexcss/style.css
HeaderName /indexcss/header.html
ReadmeName /indexcss/footer.html
IndexOptions +Charset=UTF-8 +FancyIndexing +FoldersFirst +HTMLTable 
+IconsAreLinks +IgnoreCase +NameWidth=* +SuppressDescription 
+SuppressRules +XHTML -SuppressHTMLPreamble


Then you can see how it looks at http://crow202.com/indexcss/ . You 
probably will need to copy the example code and change the stuff 
around for your needs since it may not be large enough. Editing the 
style.css , header.html , and footer.html files will get you lots of 
stuff.  The entire project not the hacked-together trimmed down 
version is of course at https://github.com/oupala/apaxy , and it has 
more features including javascript.



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Customize Apache2 directory list

[Jim via PLUG-discuss]

I have a rapsberry pi as a server that among other things holds my music 
collection.   Today I got Apache2 running on it to serve music to my 
android phone so could listen when I'm out in the yard.   It works but 
the size of the text in the directory listing is really small.  How can 
I enlarge the size of the text?    I looked online but didn't find 
anything that  made sense.  Some sites said to use a css file.  One site 
even included an example css file.  However nobody shows how to use it.  
My understanding of css files is they affect how stuff is displayed in 
an html page.  When I get a directory listing, it doesn't display an 
html page.  It shows me what's in the directory.



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Re: fax

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Thanks for mentioning this site.  I didn't know such services existed.

On 7/29/22 09:28, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
boy do I feel stupid. faxzero.com  worked. I sent 
that message  at 1:30.. I was tired!


On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 1:37 AM Michael  wrote:

could someone do me a favor and fax something to a number in florida?

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Disabling special keys

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Recently I got one of those ergonomic keyboards because it started 
hurting my wrists  to turn them so I could type on a regular keyboard.  
It arrived the other day and it works, but there are these extra keys on 
it that I've had problems with. The others I was able to deal with using 
xmodmap, but  one is a printer key.  When I press it xev tells me it's 
sending the Control_L and p codes at the same time.  I want to remap it  
so it sends only one keycode.  Here's what xev shows when I press it.



KeyPress event, serial 44, synthetic NO, window 0x481,
    root 0x2a4, subw 0x482, time 2679765, (28,30), root:(1349,77),
    state 0x10, keycode 37 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
    XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyPress event, serial 44, synthetic NO, window 0x481,
    root 0x2a4, subw 0x482, time 2679765, (28,30), root:(1349,77),
    state 0x14, keycode 33 (keysym 0x70, p), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (10) ""
    XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (10) ""
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyRelease event, serial 44, synthetic NO, window 0x481,
    root 0x2a4, subw 0x482, time 2679861, (28,30), root:(1349,77),
    state 0x14, keycode 37 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyRelease event, serial 44, synthetic NO, window 0x481,
    root 0x2a4, subw 0x482, time 2679861, (28,30), root:(1349,77),
    state 0x10, keycode 33 (keysym 0x70, p), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (70) "p"
    XFilterEvent returns: False

If I disable keycode 33, the p key also doesn't work.  Is there some way 
to get it to send just one code?


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Re: Knowing Linux as a developer: followup

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It seems to me that anyone who writes code should have some knowledge of 
every OS that code will have to work with.  It's been my experience that 
no software, machine or anything else developed by man has ever worked 
exactly as intended.   There's always some bug or quirk that needs to be 
dealt with.


On 4/23/22 14:16, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Hi,

This has been an interesting journey. AZPHP and a friend who owns a 
data center confirmed that most developers do not have any familiarity 
with Linux.  All these years I thought otherwise.


I still think there is value in knowing Linux as an opensource 
developer.  In my case I am a PHP developer.


Maybe being involved in Linux distracted me from becoming a better 
developer or maybe the opposite is true that my Linux involvement has 
made me a better developer.


In my mind I am exploring or assessing what I might have changed now 
that I am at this point in my life and having had the experience I 
have had with PHP since 2006.


In a recent post I asked about changing from dominate PHP being 
supported by Linux to Linux being dominate and supported by PHP or 
another language and DevOps came up.


Sorry I am thinking out loud and am hoping for your feedback.

I wonder if PHP has run it's course.  Maybe it is time to change 
course.  I need to do more research and give it more thought.


I like opensource Linux hosting.  I recently configured Ubuntu LAMP + 
BIND + Let's Encrypt + Postfix + Dovecot.  Doing so showed me how much 
a really do not know.


Any feedback is much appreciated.
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Re: GNOME or KDE?

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Thanks for ending years of frustration.

On 3/24/22 15:10, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Settings->Window Management->Window Behavior->Advanced.  You may want 
a window placement of "minimal overlapping".  That means a new 
application will show up in the place that has the least amount of 
stuff in it.  Or maybe "centered" if you want all applications to show 
up in one place when you launch them.  Try the various options, see 
which one works best?


Also "allow KDE apps to remember the positions of their own windows" 
will probably help the KDE things remember where they're supposed to 
be. I could potentially have the TV as a second monitor here, but 
"mirror monitor to the TV" is a lot more practical AFAICT.



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Re: GNOME or KDE?

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Many times I've gone online to find out how to configure something.  
I'll open a link and read somebody asking for help with an issue similar 
to the one I have.  It seems like the first 47 comments are people 
saying not to do that and explaining how they think it's a bad idea.  
Finally, somebody answers the question that original poster asked.


On 3/24/22 18:14, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> I never know on which monitor an application will launch in after I 
start it.


Funny, this is one of my biggest complaints about KDE since the 4.x 
days.  I use a thunderbolt dock for my 2 external displays, and 
occasionally will lose power or accidentally wiggle the laptop too 
much, power down the displays, or just want to save on power/heat to 
power off myself, all hell breaks loose.  Often once they come back 
up, it'll do some random combination of one or all of 1) reverse the 
order of the displays, 2) reset all settings of my displays (like 
resolution/hz), 3) jumble every damn window of mine to random places, 
4) move everything to one display only, and 5) resize all my windows 
only on my 3rd display only to be 1px wide. This is a 4k monitor with 
not very thick window borders to begin with to do so!


Freakin' maddening, particularly #5 makes me want 5 finger death punch 
my display when I have to manually resize a few dozen windows on it!  
Even worse about #5 above, once I resize the window, if I try to move 
the window vs. resize it, it snaps like a rubberband to be 1px wide 
again.  What the hell would you even begin with to troubleshoot 
*that*?.  Is it kde base, kwin, video drivers/card, hdmi vs. 
displayport, mesa, or xorg?  They all blame each other, or me for 
being fancy with my hardware, so I gave up trying.


Trying to describe these to resolve in a bugtracker only nets me 
somewhere between a confused wtf sort of answer or "ohh, mr fancy with 
3x 4k displays, none of us have that to test with, sorry not sorry".  
It's like that Dave Chappelle episode teaching customer service at the 
printers, "If the customer says they have windows, tell them you only 
know mac.  If they say they have mac, tell them you only know 
windows.  If they say they have windows and mac, tell them you only 
know linux!"


I've tried gnome shell (hate it), cinnamon (tolerate it, has it's own 
display issues), mate (like it, but missing functionality I'm used to 
in Cinnamon and/or KDE), and unity (hated it, thankfully rip), still 
come back to KDE even with maddening persistent multi-monitor flaws 
for well over a decade now.  I've tried xfce, i3, some others, but 
just never "got it".  I am not a developer and understand why they 
prefer the tiling - I just don't work that way 98% of the time.  I 
move windows lots, and keep a lot of apps open buried in layers, 
calling them forth from my dock as needed, for that KDE + Cairo-Dock 
work great, so long as I keep the displays powered up 24/7.


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Re: GNOME or KDE?

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Thanks.  I'll try these options today.

On 3/24/22 15:10, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On 2022-03-24 14:40, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I have Kubuntu installed on my machine.  I like it but the only thing
that bugs me about KDE is that I have 2 monitors on this machine and I
never know on which monitor an application will launch in after I
start it.


Settings->Window Management->Window Behavior->Advanced. You may want a 
window placement of "minimal overlapping".  That means a new 
application will show up in the place that has the least amount of 
stuff in it.  Or maybe "centered" if you want all applications to show 
up in one place when you launch them.  Try the various options, see 
which one works best?


Also "allow KDE apps to remember the positions of their own windows" 
will probably help the KDE things remember where they're supposed to 
be. I could potentially have the TV as a second monitor here, but 
"mirror monitor to the TV" is a lot more practical AFAICT.



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Re: ransomeware

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How should a wine user configure wine properly?

On 3/7/22 17:59, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote:
It affects all users on all platforms. Typically though, Linux users 
are usually more technically inclined and therefore less likely to be 
had by clicking links and other poor online behavior. Less likely does 
not mean immune.


Thanks,
Alexander

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+

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is that a windows problem or do we also have to worry about it?

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Re: ot - gas price

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After the good manners and courtesy shown in your reply, I had to make a 
reply of my own.  It's true that on day 1 of the Biden administration 
Biden stopped work on the Keystone pipeline and stopped most drilling on 
government land, and imposed stricter regulations on the rest.  If he 
hadn't done this, gas would be cheaper.  Besides, there is more harm 
done to the environment when oil comes from the middle east.  Ships have 
to burn more oil to bring it here.  Also pipelines are a more efficient 
way to move oil.  So Biden did have a role to play in the current price 
of gas.



Have a nice day.

On 3/18/22 06:58, Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss wrote:


Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics. 
Don't email me directly again.


On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
Show them you get your news from only one side without telling 
them... (I couldn't resist):

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which 
is just opposite of Greg's.


  * https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
  * The convenience.org  link seems to be a
blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly balanced
on bias from what I can tell.
The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with
prices climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33
on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because he opened
domestic oil production to offset when foreign sources reduce the
oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut it down again.

It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting 
down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development 
adversely affected the price of fuelin America.
When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from 
closer sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since we 
rely on foreign sources which might not really be so friendly to 
America otherwise.I agree that it's not all Biden's fault... our 
house and senate made a mess of this country playing politics and I 
don't have a ton of faith in their leadership.  Only 2 years until it 
gets really ugly again.


JD

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss 
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Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html

https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/

On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Lets go Brandon!


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Re: ot - gas price

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Some say you can save on gas by riding a bicycle.  You can also ride a  
horse and taunt people at the gas station like this guy.


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9DwjwCMtTn0

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Re: ot - gas price

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Careful what you ask for.  :-)

On 3/18/22 08:38, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
honestly... I was just wondering what gas was costing in AZ. I didn't 
want a political debate because most likely we are set in our beliefs. 
I would love to get together for drinks but can't make it as I live 
far from phoenix.



On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 11:24 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss 
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And there it is.
Nice.
Everything I mentioned comes from Liberal Arts, not MAGA.
Jimmy Dore is Liberal Progressive.


On Friday, March 18, 2022, 06:58:56 AM MST, Thomas Cameron via
PLUG-discuss  wrote:


Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics.
Don't email me directly again.

On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
Show them you get your news from only one side without telling
them... (I couldn't resist):
https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias
which is just opposite of Greg's.

  * https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
  * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
  * The convenience.org  link seems to be
a blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly
balanced on bias from what I can tell.
The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with
prices climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office
($2.33 on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because
he opened domestic oil production to offset when foreign
sources reduce the oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut
it down again.

It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that
shutting down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in
development adversely affected the price of fuelin America.
When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from
closer sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since
we rely on foreign sources which might not really be so friendly
to America otherwise.I agree that it's not all Biden's fault...
our house and senate made a mess of this country playing politics
and I don't have a ton of faith in their leadership.  Only 2 years
until it gets really ugly again.

JD

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss
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Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html

https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/

On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Lets go Brandon!


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Re: Dell problems

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On 2/17/22 07:47, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
For the ethernet adapter, I would check and see if a bootable thumb 
drive has the same behavior. This may be a hardware-related issue and 
ruling that out might be a good first step.
I rebooted using a bootlable USB stick and the network wasn't there. I 
rebooted again into the same one and the network was there. I've seen  
several USB ethernet adapters for less than $15 on Amazon.  I guess I'll 
get one of those.



Were there any recent kernel or system updates that would have 
affected how your drives are identified? Bios setting?
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I can rule them out since the problem persists when I booted from a 
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Dell problems

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I have a Dell Optiplex 7010 that has a couple of problems I'm trying to 
get sorted.   It has Kubuntu 20.04 with 32GB RAM.  The ssd it boots from 
is less than half full.  Over the weekend the Ethernet adapter which is 
on the motherboard started acting up. When I first boot the machine for 
the day, it doesn't detect the Ethernet adapter.  I first replaced the 
cable connecting it to the router, but that didn't bring the network 
back.  I rebooted the machine and it detected the Ethernet adapter.    
Now every time I reboot it, there's no network, and I have to reboot it 
again to the the network.  Any idea what might be causing this?  If the 
Ethernet adapter is going bad, would a USB Ethernet adapter or an 
internal one that uses the PCI slot be better?


Now for the other problem.  The device notifier is supposed to pop up 
showing the storage device I plugged in and give me the option to mount 
it.  Several months ago it started showing every drive in the machine as 
a removable drive and giving me the option to unmount any that are 
mounted, including the drives inside the case.  I looked online for help 
with this and found a change to some config file that would hide those 
internal drives.  A few days ago I swapped out a drive in it and now 
that device notifier doesn't always show drives I attach to the system 
to do backups. I can't remember what config file I changed, so I can't 
undo whatever it was I did months ago.  Does anyone know what I messed up?



Thanks

Jim

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