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Er, what he said. And it sure is ironic to see a post viciously insulting a fellow P2er for an imaginary insult.g Please read more carefully folks, lest you read something into a message that simply isn't there.--don Where I come from using the term "cakehole" as in and I quote here, "...much more creative than whatever spills out of your cakehole" as a "colorful" term to refer to that which someone says or wishes to express is a sarcastic putdown. Also, the foul language is not necessary. It is a posturing attempt to appear "tough" and "cool". Please, let's not degrade this list to the kind of postings which r.m.c.w. is so full of. Tera
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vgs399 wrote: Er, what he said. And it sure is ironic to see a post viciously insulting a fellow P2er for an imaginary insult.g Please read more carefully folks, lest you read something into a message that simply isn't there.--don Where I come from using the term "cakehole" as in and I quote here, "...much more creative than whatever spills out of your cakehole" as a "colorful" term to refer to that which someone says or wishes to express is a sarcastic putdown. Also, the foul language is not necessary. It is a posturing attempt to appear "tough" and "cool". Please, let's not degrade this list to the kind of postings which r.m.c.w. is so full of. Tera This is comedy, right? This is a Roseann Roseannadanna routine, right? If Lance hadn't been so grossly insulted, I would have thought it was funnier, but he handled himself like a gentleman. This is bizarre. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
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Tera wrote: Where I come from using the term "cakehole" as in and I quote here, "...much more creative than whatever spills out of your cakehole" as a "colorful" term to refer to that which someone says or wishes to express is a sarcastic putdown. Also, the foul language is not necessary. It is a posturing attempt to appear "tough" and "cool". Please, let's not degrade this list to the kind of postings which r.m.c.w. is so full of. Tera And Joe wrote: This is comedy, right? This is a Roseann Roseannadanna routine, right? If Lance hadn't been so grossly insulted, I would have thought it was funnier, but he handled himself like a gentleman. This is bizarre. Joe Gracey I agree. Tera, the graceful thing to do, after completely misconstruing someone's language, and viciously attacking him in the process, is to apologize. And the word "fuck" doesn't offend me in the slightest. What brings me down is the vitriol spewing from your keyboard directly into my eyes. While I'm here, here's a question I've always wanted to ask: What's a shuffle? Maybe some examples from contemporary alt-country types would help (since my knowledge of traditional country music is extremely limited). Thanks. Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
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That assumes that Buckner has word-of-mouth "street cred," but wouldn't the word-of-mouth say that his word is MUCH MORE creative than whatever spills out of your cakehole? I don't get it, like I said, in the small picture. In the big picture it's obvious. "Hey, Fuckface! You're not in your living room watching TV! And that guy on stage is NOT a cathode-ray figment of your delusional self-importance! Shut the Fuck up!!!" Lance . . . feeling pain . . . And you're rude and disgusting. What a vile mouth you have! How dare you flame another poster that way. It is not funny! Who do you think you are? I've read your self-important postings lo these past months and I cannot believe that anyone could put up with your long, I-AM-GOD self-righteous rants.How dare you flame Dan for his opinions. Further, I cannot believe that anyone here has not touched upon this... and taken you to task for your long-winded bullshit. You are not pertinent, not valid and definitely not funny. I am ashamed of you. Tera
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I think something got distorted below here, at least I *think* so Lance wrote this in sympathy w/ my painful live Buckner experience (painful due to the gabbers right up front with me); That assumes that Buckner has word-of-mouth "street cred," but wouldn't the word-of-mouth say that his word is MUCH MORE creative than whatever spills out of your cakehole? I don't get it, like I said, in the small picture. In the big picture it's obvious. "Hey, Fuckface! You're not in your living room watching TV! And that guy on stage is NOT a cathode-ray figment of your delusional self-importance! Shut the Fuck up!!!" Lance . . . feeling pain . . . And you're rude and disgusting. What a vile mouth you have! How dare you flame another poster that way. It is not funny! Who do you think you are? I've read your self-important postings lo these past months and I cannot believe that anyone could put up with your long, I-AM-GOD self-righteous rants.How dare you flame Dan for his opinions. Further, I cannot believe that anyone here has not touched upon this... and taken you to task for your long-winded bullshit. You are not pertinent, not valid and definitely not funny. I am ashamed of you. Tera ...anyway, if I'm reading you right Tera, don't worry about it, Lance was simply writing in sympatico and telling me what I (or anyone) should think about saying to the jabbermouths next time. At least that's what I think he was saying, and what I think you've you misread..(wow, this listserv stuff gets complicated sometimesg) anyway don't worry about it. dan
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On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...anyway, if I'm reading you right Tera, don't worry about it, Lance was simply writing in sympatico and telling me what I (or anyone) should think about saying to the jabbermouths next time. At least that's what I think he was saying, and what I think you've you misread Er, what he said. And it sure is ironic to see a post viciously insulting a fellow P2er for an imaginary insult.g Please read more carefully folks, lest you read something into a message that simply isn't there.--don
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And you're rude and disgusting. What a vile mouth you have! How dare you flame another poster that way. It is not funny! Who do you think you are? I've read your self-important postings lo these past months and I cannot believe that anyone could put up with your long, I-AM-GOD self-righteous rants.How dare you flame Dan for his opinions. Further, I cannot believe that anyone here has not touched upon this... and taken you to task for your long-winded bullshit. You are not pertinent, not valid and definitely not funny. I am ashamed of you. Tera Hello, I wasn't talking about Dan. I wasn't trying to flame Dan. I was sympathizing with Dan in HIM having to put up people talking around HIM. Jeesh. And I may be self-important and self-righteous and think I am God, but I have to model myself after somebody g. Anyway, I hope this clears things up. Love ya. Lance, getting ready for therapy . . .
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Hey there, Linda The Enforcer I hope you told that to the talkers. You're preaching to the converted, here, with that. Linda "Shut the Fuck Up" Ray, who does not mind embarrassing herself to embarrass people who talk within four rows of the stage, and does so consistently Where were you last night for the REALY annoying chick who talked back to the stage for the entire Tweedy solo show? The show incidentally, was great. Later... CK ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
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Barry wrote; The worst mistake is supposed to be to say anything about this rudeness or to try to hush it..Yoiu become an instant heavy. I'm afraid you're right Barry, but it is getting out of hand, I mean it's really getting bad. I was within oh, 15 feet last night of Richard Buckner as he played an abolutely riveting set and was surrounded on each side by groups of folks who could not shut up (or recognize the damn-near genius occurring right in front of them, YMMV on that g). If nothing else, why someone would want to be that close to a singer-songwriter as talented as Buckner while she's tearing his way through "22" and be laughing and carrying on about some irrelevant bullsh*t is just mind-blowing to me. Take it to the back of the room. I mean would these folks go to a book reading by a great author or a painting class with some leading painter and balance their checkbooks??? Somehow I said nothing, fearing that if I did I would just explode and end up getting kicked out-I was that near physically losing it. I mean it's getting bad, and I don't know what to do. Maybe just wait til the end of the entire show and politely ask them not to do it next time? Plead? Bribe them to can it? Start packing heat??? I hear your pain, Neal, dan bentele "If you don't shut the fuck up, I'm gonna have them turn the lights on here so everyone can see who the asshole is." (Steve Earle to persistent heckler, Amsterdam, 1996)
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In a message dated 2/28/99 8:36:31 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If nothing else, why someone would want to be that close to a singer-songwriter as talented as Buckner while she's tearing his way through "22" and be laughing and carrying on about some irrelevant bullsh*t is just mind-blowing to me. Take it to the back of the room. I hope you told that to the talkers. You're preaching to the converted, here, with that. Linda "Shut the Fuck Up" Ray, who does not mind embarrassing herself to embarrass people who talk within four rows of the stage, and does so consistently
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I was within oh, 15 feet last night of Richard Buckner as he played an abolutely riveting set and was surrounded on each side by groups of folks who could not shut up dan bentele Though this doesn't surprise me in the big picture, in a smaller sense I don't get it. Aside from weaselly industry outposts like LA and New York (or sites of conventions, seminars, and such which corral in those industry weasels), who would go to a Buckner show to talk? The kind of music that Buckner writes seems to presuppose an audience that is cultishly devoted on one hand, or just a lover of well-written language on the other. It's one thing to talk during a band like Better Than Ezra. Their popularity is in a demographic that tends to view music as a "place" to be seen and not necessarily a "thing" to be heard. But Buckner?!?! How can his show be the "place to be seen?" That assumes that Buckner has word-of-mouth "street cred," but wouldn't the word-of-mouth say that his word is MUCH MORE creative than whatever spills out of your cakehole? I don't get it, like I said, in the small picture. In the big picture it's obvious. "Hey, Fuckface! You're not in your living room watching TV! And that guy on stage is NOT a cathode-ray figment of your delusional self-importance! Shut the Fuck up!!!" Lance . . . feeling pain . . .
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, who would go to a Buckner show to talk? Well, I'm ashamed to say this, but Son Volt fans. Plenty of 'em. It wasn't so much a scenester problem as a "I'm staking out my space now to yell "Whiskey Bottle 50 times", and I'll just wait til this dark-haired bearded poet weirdo gets the hell offstage", or something. I guess it's one of the downsides of Farrar's writing at least a fair amount of "crossover" material, and playing to his hometown crowd in St. Louis, I don't know. And I hear ya Linda, I should have said something, but I didn't want to get booted out of the place-I was too afraid I would just lose it if they gave me any guff, which I don't doubt might have happened. But what happened last night has given me new resolve, especially if I'm seeing someone who I can see again somewhat easily. Last night I was too afraid, I'd never seen Buckner plugged-in with a drummer, and it's just a totally different ballgame. Altho "transcendent" gets overused probably it was pretty close to that, at least for me. dan
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tireless defender of my hometown that I am, I must bitch for a moment about last night's Damnations gig. That poor band was subjugated to everything I hate about LA. Yeah, we had one of those when WTH came out. the front of the room was friends and supporters but the back of the room and the bar were full of loud, drunk, idiots who basically drowned our acoustic set out. A bunch of them were from the opening act, too, who had earlier played a full horn-section rock set, and who apparently thought we sucked, or so they kept saying. Can't wait to get back.. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
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Interesting that this seems to be a fairly common problem around the country. We have great gigs where people actually listen and we have this one gig where people literally scream over us the whole set. The last time we played it I almost went nuts but contained myself, since I'm just the bass player. I can't figure out why people pay money to see Kimmie, then ignore her and act like we are a copy band. The best places for us are the ones where it is understood that the room is a listening room for songwriters and anybody who ignores that pretty much gets quietly stifled and shot out back, or at least ones where there is a massive sound system that can get twice as loud as the crowd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry wrote; The worst mistake is supposed to be to say anything about this rudeness or to try to hush it..Yoiu become an instant heavy. I'm afraid you're right Barry, but it is getting out of hand, I mean it's really getting bad. I was within oh, 15 feet last night of Richard Buckner as he played an abolutely riveting set and was surrounded on each side by groups of folks who could not shut up (or recognize the damn-near genius occurring right in front of them, YMMV on that g). If nothing else, why someone would want to be that close to a singer-songwriter as talented as Buckner while she's tearing his way through "22" and be laughing and carrying on about some irrelevant bullsh*t is just mind-blowing to me. Take it to the back of the room. I mean would these folks go to a book reading by a great author or a painting class with some leading painter and balance their checkbooks??? Somehow I said nothing, fearing that if I did I would just explode and end up getting kicked out-I was that near physically losing it. I mean it's getting bad, and I don't know what to do. Maybe just wait til the end of the entire show and politely ask them not to do it next time? Plead? Bribe them to can it? Start packing heat??? I hear your pain, Neal, dan bentele "If you don't shut the fuck up, I'm gonna have them turn the lights on here so everyone can see who the asshole is." (Steve Earle to persistent heckler, Amsterdam, 1996) -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
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It fucking pisses me off when people show up and then just talk over the music, especially when they're on the list Sounds like any night, any band, any venue in Memphis
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Neal, I've heard so many bad anecdotes about playing the Viper Club that I wonder if it's just not a very artist-friendly venue Any truth in that, from your perspective? --junior
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Neal, I've heard so many bad anecdotes about playing the Viper Club that I wonder if it's just not a very artist-friendly venue Any truth in that, from your perspective? Artist-friendly? Hard to say. On one hand it's great for a band because a gig there suggests some sort of buzz status. Plus, it's also a really nice, intimate room with excellent sound and a groovy-ass DJ. I don't know if it's any worse than the other clubs with a high weasel content and I have seen some really great shows there. In fact, it's the high-weasel content that does yield moments that might not happen elsewhere, like Springsteen joining Joe Ely on stage for a few songs. But the biggest problem with the Viper, I think, is that it's a place to be seen (scene). Thus, you get folks going for the wrong reason. Add to that the fish-out-of-water scenario of a twang band and a night that would conclude with Booty Quake (one of the several kitsch 70's cover bands making a *really* good living these days) and it's just asking for trouble. NW
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I hear you about the Club, Neal. Your comment about several kitschy 70s-cover bands making a good living currently in LA made me grin. There's one in the KC area making incredible amounts of money... Doing much better than any other single band in the area, as far as I can figure it. But obviously not the best environment for the Damnations. sheesh! g. --junior PS. About the Viper Club, most of the negative anecdotes I've heard concern the way the stage manager and staff treat the artists.
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The sorry thing, Neal, is we all blame this kind of behavior on our own towns (easy enough to do here in downtown hipper-than-thousville, too) but it's getting to be too damn common everywhere across the U.S.--and maybe beyond. The worst mistake is supposed to be to say anything about this rudeness or to try to hush it..Yoiu become an instant heavy. Unless you're Linda Ray, if I remember right. She shuts 'em up real good! I can report on who talked through Dave Alvin and Robbie Fulks here tonight-tomorrow! Barry M. There they were, playing their plucky banjo-fied songs to a crowd at the half-full Viper Room that was so so so so chatty that I kept hoping the band would give up on the quieter acoustic stuff and crank up the loud stuff again, just to mask the noise. It fucking pisses me off when people show up and then just talk over the music, especially when they're on the li Neal Weiss
