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I believe that if there was a fifth Beatle, it was Carl Perkins. Any takers? Junior There's a great scene in Go, Cat, Go, David Mcgee's bio of Perkins, where Carl, while touring England, spends a long 1964(?) night in the studio with the Beatles. The Fab 4 are like kids in a candy store. I believe it true that the Beatles covered Carl Perkins more than any other songwriter. MM
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On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Walker, Jason wrote: I believe that if there was a fifth Beatle, it was Carl Perkins. Any takers? Junior That should have been the Beatles' reunion tour: Paul, George, Ringo and Carl. -- Mike Woods
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On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Walker, Jason wrote: I believe that if there was a fifth Beatle, it was Carl Perkins. Any takers? Junior I always said that the Beatles reunion after John's death should have been Paul, George, and Ringo backing up Carl Perkins on tour. That would have been a show! -- Geff King * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www2.ari.net/gking/ "The United States will collapse by 1980." --Timothy Leary, 1965 (15 years before the 1980 election)
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On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Mike Woods wrote: That should have been the Beatles' reunion tour: Paul, George, Ringo and Carl. -- Mike Woods That does it. I'm never answering another post with this Subject: line again... GBK
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The fifth Beatle was Don Rich. If not for him, the Bealtes' sound as we know it today would not exist. I'm sorry - I hate to disagree with a bass player - but I just don't see it. [Matt Benz] The 5th Beatle was Murray the K. Geez. Don't youse clowns know anything? Leppo was the 6th and 7th Beatle, depending on who he was standing next to. Ringo was actually the 8th Beatle, after Billy Preston. Seriously, The Beatles were influenced by Sun Records and RB more than country ala Buck. Tho some of Ringo's contributions show a country influence, and the album track What Goes On shows a fairly distinctive Owens influence, I think. Matt
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In a message dated 1/19/99 12:59:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I don't know about fifth Beatle status, but Perkins invented, and was The King of Rock and Roll, (the white folks version anyway) regardless of how that Tupelo Truckdriver is worshpped today. I've often wondered what would of happened to Elvis's career if Perkins had not had that auto accident. Don't sell Elvis short my friend. Perkins might have been pretty damn talented, but Elvis' sex appeal was worth a thousand great guitar licks. NW
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I believe that if there was a fifth Beatle, it was Carl Perkins. Any takers? Junior I always said that the Beatles reunion after John's death should have been Paul, George, and Ringo backing up Carl Perkins on tour. That would have been a show! That would have been blasphemy, not to mention pathetic. A bunch of old guys trying to resurrect their youth. Bleeech. Two cents, Neal Weiss
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Don't sell Elvis short my friend. Perkins might have been pretty damn talented, but Elvis' sex appeal was worth a thousand great guitar licks. [Matt Benz] Exactly. Carl had the goods musically, and his Sun sides are the best, but sadly, he lacked those other goods that E delivered with the shake of a leg. BTW, all those interested in Elvis and his music (Junior!), check out the new book "Recording Sessions" which provides a detailed history of *all* the King's recordings, rare live and home recordings included. Great photo's throughout. Peter Gurelnick (sp?) provides foreward.
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I can't believe that with all the pop culture geeks on this list that no one's gotten the "Clarence, the Fifth Beatle" reference. It's from an Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live sketch, where they overdubbed his vocals onto Beatles songs and superimposed his face into band photos. that fact that I do know this probably speaks volumes as to my social life at the time jim catalano
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Ah - I was going with the "It's a Wonderful Life" reference. "Jooseph! Oh, Jseph!" I can't believe that with all the pop culture geeks on this list that no one's gotten the "Clarence, the Fifth Beatle" reference. It's from an Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live sketch, where they overdubbed his vocals onto Beatles songs and superimposed his face into band photos. that fact that I do know this probably speaks volumes as to my social life at the time jim catalano
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I can't believe that with all the pop culture geeks on this list that no one's gotten the "Clarence, the Fifth Beatle" reference. It's from an Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live sketch, where they overdubbed his vocals onto Beatles songs and superimposed his face into band photos. Of course! He was the saxphone player, right? I remember it well. I'm a loser.
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On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't believe that with all the pop culture geeks on this list that no one's gotten the "Clarence, the Fifth Beatle" reference. It's from an Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live sketch, I've heard of Saturday Night Live! That's that Lake Wobegone radio show, isn't it? But who's this Murphy guy? Does he do Irish jokes or something? -- Mike Woods
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At 11:17 PM 1/17/99 -0600, you wrote: Man, I never get tired of talking about those guys. Even Clarence, the fifth Beatle. Lance . . . Clarence White was a Beatle? I knew he was a Byrd, does that mean he moved up on the food chain? I knew Clarence was influential, but a Beatle! Wow! In all seriousness, I can proove LESS than six degrees seperation betewwen the Beatles and Clarence White 1. Clarence and Don Rich were buds, They hung out and influenced each other. 1a, In case you haven't read your twang bible, Don Rich was THE guitar player for Buck Owens adn one of the driving creative forces behind the Buck sound. 2. The Beatles had an arrangement with Capital where they would be sent Buck Owens records hot off the press. Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 727 Alder Circle - Va Beach, Va - 23462 -(757) 467-3764
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On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Jeff Wall wrote: At 11:17 PM 1/17/99 -0600, you wrote: Clarence, the fifth Beatle. I am aware of four gentlemen who can claim, with varying degrees of justification, the title of "The Fifth Beatle." - The late Stu Sutcliffe who was the bassist in their Hamburg days. There actually were five Beatles at that time. - Pete Best, the original drummer (Ringo was a big improvement). - George Martin, their producer. George had a lot to do with shaping the sound of their recordings, and played on a number of their tracks. - Murray "the K" Kaufmann, New York DJ who awarded himself the title. How Clarence White, admirable guitarist that he is, qualifies for this is beyond me. -- Mike Woods
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On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Mike Woods wrote: How Clarence White, admirable guitarist that he is, qualifies for this is beyond me. -- Mike Woods The fifth Beatle was Don Rich. If not for him, the Bealtes' sound as we know it today would not exist. This I believe. np: Mason Williams, "The Mason Williams Phonograph Record" -- Geff King * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www2.ari.net/gking/ "We were having trouble getting a good clean bass sound. So instead of going with a standard 2/4 beat, I said, `Let's try a 4/4 bass and a shuffle rhythm,' and it cut. It cut clean through." -- Ray Price, on recording 'Crazy Arms'
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At 01:25 AM 1/18/99 -0500, you wrote: On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Jeff Wall wrote: At 11:17 PM 1/17/99 -0600, you wrote: Clarence, the fifth Beatle. I am aware of four gentlemen who can claim, with varying degrees of justification, the title of "The Fifth Beatle." I had heard that Billy Preston could also make the claim. Or am I thinking of the Stones? Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 727 Alder Circle - Va Beach, Va - 23462 -(757) 467-3764
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On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Jeff Wall wrote: I had heard that Billy Preston could also make the claim. Or am I thinking of the Stones? He did some session work for the Fab Four, I think especially the Let It Be album (am I remembering the name right?) But a bunch of people played some parts here and there, so I don't think Billy becomes Beatle 5. -- Mike Woods
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Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 18-Jan-99 Re: the fifth beatle by Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had heard that Billy Preston could also make the claim. Or am I thinking of the Stones? You are correct, based on Preston's involvement in the Let It Be sessions. Preston's in a world of trouble right now. Currently serving a three-year sentence for cocaine possession, he and his wife face charges of setting fires for insurance fraud. He faces another twenty years if convicted. As for Don Rich, the Beatles owe a lot to him, but also to Chuck Berry, the Everleys, Peter Sellers, and others. As we discussed last summer, they were masterful synthesists who took several elements and fashioned them into something new. Carl Z.
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Geff says: On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Mike Woods wrote: How Clarence White, admirable guitarist that he is, qualifies for this is beyond me. -- Mike Woods The fifth Beatle was Don Rich. If not for him, the Bealtes' sound as we know it today would not exist. I'm sorry - I hate to disagree with a bass player - but I just don't see it. Rich's tenure with Owens began around early 1960, he was featured about as much on the fiddle as on the guitar, and they didn't really hit a groove for another year; Buck's first album wasn't released until 1961, and he didn't have his first #1 until 1963 (it was "Act Naturally"). I believe that if you listen to the Tony Sheridan recordings, the early tracks from Live At The BBC, etc., you'll hear the Beatles' sound as we know it today already surprisingly well-formed. I don't see that there was enough time for the Buckaroos sound to have had much of an influence on the basics of the Beatles' style, and it's interesting that while they covered a lot of stuff in their BBC appearances - Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Elvis Presley, songs from Leiber-Stoller and Goffin-King, etc. - there's not a Buck song among them. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
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In a message dated 1/18/99 9:29:34 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for Don Rich, the Beatles owe a lot to him, but also to Chuck Berry, the Everleys, Peter Sellers, and others. As we discussed last summer, they were masterful synthesists who took several elements and fashioned them into something new. Carl Z. Add to that list Delbert McClinton, (taught 'em that "Hey Baby" harmonica riff) and Augie Meyers. (wanted to learn how he got that organ sound on the SDQ stuff) At least this is what DM and AM have told me. BTW, Augie is doing fine, recovering from an ailment that caused the cancelation of the Tornados Far West Rodeo live recording / gig last week. Rumors of the seriousness of Augie's illness were greatly exagerated by them damned Austin tree-huggers. g Tougher'n a boot - he's gonna be fine. Joe X. Third Coast np: Bottle Rockets - Leftovers (after overcoming some firewall problems, we are netcasting again - 3-7pm cst M-F, 2-6 pm cst Sat, 6-10pm cst Sundays) A HREF="http://www.accd.edu/tcmn/"Third Coast site - ACCD/A
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In a message dated 1/18/99 11:38:04 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Add to that list Delbert McClinton, (taught 'em that "Hey Baby" harmonica riff) My father was touring in Europe and Britain around the same time the Beatles were blazing their trail (60-63) and he says that Lennon was playing the harmonica long before McClinton supposedly taught him. Whether or not McClinton is being totally truthful about the situation or if the story has just taken on some extrapolated details is up in the air. It sounds like an urban legend to me. Slim
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In a message dated 1/18/99 12:11:01 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My father was touring in Europe and Britain around the same time the Beatles were blazing their trail (60-63) and he says that Lennon was playing the harmonica long before McClinton supposedly taught him. Whether or not McClinton is being totally truthful about the situation or if the story has just taken on some extrapolated details is up in the air. It sounds like an urban legend to me. Slim Yeah, if the story is that McClinton taught Lennon *how* to play harmonica, then it's not true. Delbert says in several interviews I've read that he taught Lennon how *he* played the harmonica, which makes more sense. I'm guessing JL had been honking around on the harp for a while before they met. Who knows / cares, right? It's a great story either way. Kinda gives us the right to say those limey bastards wouldn't have set the bar so high for Garth if it hadn't been for the American RRers who showed 'em how to do it.g Joe X. TCMN np: The Stillmen - Go!X3
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The story I heard was that Delbert the Beatles were touring England together (don't remember which was opening for which), and Delbert taught Lennon the opening harp riff for "Love Me Do". -jp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/18/99 12:11:01 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My father was touring in Europe and Britain around the same time the Beatles were blazing their trail (60-63) and he says that Lennon was playing the harmonica long before McClinton supposedly taught him. Whether or not McClinton is being totally truthful about the situation or if the story has just taken on some extrapolated details is up in the air. It sounds like an urban legend to me. Slim Yeah, if the story is that McClinton taught Lennon *how* to play harmonica, then it's not true. Delbert says in several interviews I've read that he taught Lennon how *he* played the harmonica, which makes more sense. I'm guessing JL had been honking around on the harp for a while before they met. Who knows / cares, right? It's a great story either way. Kinda gives us the right to say those limey bastards wouldn't have set the bar so high for Garth if it hadn't been for the American RRers who showed 'em how to do it.g Joe X. TCMN np: The Stillmen - Go!X3
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- George Martin, their producer. George had a lot to do with shaping the sound of their recordings, and played on a number of their tracks. I try to avoid "me too" posts if I can, butme too. Without Martin, even imagining how many of the Beatles records would have sounded is pretty much impossible. A perfectionist, an ass-kicker, with a motherload of great ideas and solid grounding in classical music, they were really so danged lucky to have fallen in with him. Not a fan of his solo stuff tho...g Dan Bentele
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I believe that if there was a fifth Beatle, it was Carl Perkins. Any takers? Junior -Original Message- From: Jon Weisberger [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 January 1999 1:36 To: passenger side Subject: RE: the fifth beatle Geff says: On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Mike Woods wrote: How Clarence White, admirable guitarist that he is, qualifies for this is beyond me. -- Mike Woods The fifth Beatle was Don Rich. If not for him, the Bealtes' sound as we know it today would not exist. I'm sorry - I hate to disagree with a bass player - but I just don't see it. Rich's tenure with Owens began around early 1960, he was featured about as much on the fiddle as on the guitar, and they didn't really hit a groove for another year; Buck's first album wasn't released until 1961, and he didn't have his first #1 until 1963 (it was "Act Naturally"). I believe that if you listen to the Tony Sheridan recordings, the early tracks from Live At The BBC, etc., you'll hear the Beatles' sound as we know it today already surprisingly well-formed. I don't see that there was enough time for the Buckaroos sound to have had much of an influence on the basics of the Beatles' style, and it's interesting that while they covered a lot of stuff in their BBC appearances - Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Elvis Presley, songs from Leiber-Stoller and Goffin-King, etc. - there's not a Buck song among them. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
The fifth Beatle Clarence White
According to the All (Knowing) Music guide, Clarence White participates inevery Byrds album from Younger Than yesterday to Farther along. However,he's not an official member until after Sweetheart. So, here's myquestion: If he's just a session until Easy rider, what songs does he playon prior to that album? And also, at what point does he start touring withthe band? And, finally, does anyone else notice a similarity between thesong Nashville West, and Todd Snider's My Generation (Part 2)?Clarence's pre-official Byrd status apearances: YOUNGER THAN YESTERDAY (1967) Time Between (which also features Vern Gosdin on acoustic guitar), Girl With No Name NOTORIOUS BYRD BROTHERS (1968) Wasn't Born To Follow, Change Is Now, Goin' Back (also with Orville Red Rhodes on steel) SWEETHEART OF THE RODEO (1968) A *lot* of the tracks, but you can really hear him backing up the last verse of One Hundred Years From Now Also... GENE CLARK WITH THE GOSDEN BROTHERS (1967) Released the same week as Younger Than Yesterday, features the Byrds rhythm section (Hillman Michael Clarke). Clarence's official status as a Byrd began when they returned from their disasterous South African tour (minus one Gram Parsons) July 1968, he appeared live on their next album DR. BYRDS MR. HYDE (1969) in that capacity, continuing through the end of that configuration of the group in 1972. He was not a part of the reunion on Asylum Records in 1973...which really isn't *that* bad of an album, if you ask me... Buddy Ask Dr. Stupid Rockets * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Buddy Woodward - [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE GHOST ROCKETS - Maximum Rhythm Bluegrass http://www.hudsonet.com/~undertow/ghostrockets* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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It was Leppo. He mainly stood in the back. He couldn't play guitar, but he knew how to have a good time, in Hamburg that was more difficult. Buddy I'd Like To Be Two Hairdressers Rockets * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Buddy Woodward - [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE GHOST ROCKETS - Maximum Rhythm Bluegrass http://www.hudsonet.com/~undertow/ghostrockets* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
