Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
On 2003-01-22 05:35, Malcolm Cornelius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dunno about the Focus Ethernet cards, but I have a Sonnet G3/333/1M in my PowerBook 1400, along with a Farallon EtherMac PB1400 Ethernet card (PN591), and 64 MB (single 48 MB NewerRAM module) RAM. It all fits without a problem. By the looks of the Ethernet card, I could easily have gone for piggybacked RAM modules, but I decided to play it safe and go with the single module. The only card that stops you using two RAM cards is the Newertech 16 bit video card. All the Ethernet cards I've seen, and the apple 8 bit video don't interfere with RAM I know that. The issue was, IIRC, whether or not certain Ethernet cards interfere with the installation of a (Sonnet) CPU upgrade. ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek http://www.jvdg.net/ -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
on 20/1/03 9:11 pm,Cameron Kaiser recently said: Careful of more than two stacked modules in a machine with an 8MB Apple module, especially if the machine originally came with 4MB. My 1400c started as a 1400cs/117 with a 4MB Apple module. When I upgraded it to an 8, and then started sticking in stackable modules, I started getting errors. Putting the 4MB Apple module back fixed it (so I'm stuck at 60MB, I guess). Hi Cameron Interesting to note this: I added an internal Ethernet card in a friend's 1400 - and it was extremely fiddly to do. I was also supposed to be adding an 8mb ram chip. In the process of miraculously finding a way to fit the ethernet card in, then discovering that the blanking metal plate had to go inside and not outside so I had to undo it all and miraculously redo it again - I got it all back together - (including finding that I'd pulled the keyboard cable out of it's plug!) - AND it all worked. (Glow of amazed achievement at patience paying off!). Anyway that was the short version but the twist in the tale is that in my concentration on the blimmin card I had somehow ended up putting the 4mb ram back in instead of the new 8 mb! Oh fool ;-) So I wasn¹t in a hurry to remove and redo the whole thing as - really - it was very tricky. Having read your mail above I now wonder if I would be better off leaving it as it is (60mb). Does anyone else have any similar doubts about having the 8mb ram rather than the 4mb in a 1400 - or is it that Cameron has a dodgy 8mb stick of ram? I am also wondering if this ethernet card is likely to prevent using a G3 upgrade at a later date? (Cant remember offhand the make but was one of the main brands) All the best Brian -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
Careful of more than two stacked modules in a machine with an 8MB Apple module, especially if the machine originally came with 4MB. Does anyone else have any similar doubts about having the 8mb ram rather than the 4mb in a 1400 - or is it that Cameron has a dodgy 8mb stick of ram? I'm pretty sure I remember other reports of this. -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If G. B. Shaw were a surrealist, he'd be writing plays about ghoti. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
on 21/01/03 09:49, Brian Steere at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone else have any similar doubts about having the 8mb ram rather than the 4mb in a 1400 - or is it that Cameron has a dodgy 8mb stick of ram? I have heard of this problem and there have been reports of it, however I have never seen it and in the tens of 1400s I have handled just about all of them were 16MB, those that weren't I put up to 16 with no problem. I feel it is something to be aware of - like some stacked RAM cards not working together but not to see it as a reason not to try the upgrade. I am also wondering if this ethernet card is likely to prevent using a G3 upgrade at a later date? (Cant remember offhand the make but was one of the main brands) Again, Never seen one that didn't fit, interesting to hear of some one with a problem. Focus or Newer are the Ethernet manufacturers IIRC. Best wishes Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic www.pbfanatic.co.uk -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
on 1/20/03 5:04 PM, Ken wrote: If all else fails, try a totally clean re-install of the book. -- Maybe someday. Right now there is irreplaceable software stuff. I'd have to mirror the whole drive somewhere. Lots of work and checking. Ouch! If you've really got irreplaceable software (and naturally everybody's got irreplaceable documents) you're playing with fire not making the time and and going through the tedium of backing it up ASAP. *Especially* since the PB is already acting iffy. Your data could be gone forever any day now. Saith Cassandra sorrowfully. Best, Victoria -- Our earth is degenerate in these latter days; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; and the end of the world is evidently approaching. -- Assyrian clay tablet 2800 B.C. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
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Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
Dunno about the Focus Ethernet cards, but I have a Sonnet G3/333/1M in my PowerBook 1400, along with a Farallon EtherMac PB1400 Ethernet card (PN591), and 64 MB (single 48 MB NewerRAM module) RAM. It all fits without a problem. By the looks of the Ethernet card, I could easily have gone for piggybacked RAM modules, but I decided to play it safe and go with the single module. The only card that stops you using two RAM cards is the Newertech 16 bit video card. All the Ethernet cards I've seen, and the apple 8 bit video don't interfere with RAM Best wishes Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic www.pbfanatic.co.uk -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
I've been looking at some older Macs with older operating systems, and these leaner meaner things seem to work much faster than OS 8.6 does on my stock 133mHz PB 1400c. Myself, I preferred 8.1 on my 1400 when it was still a 117MHz 603. When I upgraded it to a G3/333, because of the historical problems with 8.6 and 1400 G3 upgrades listed on the xlr8yourmac page, I just went straight to 9.1 and it's very nice. I have to have VM turned on, but it's still good. All the dynamic memory software is slow, too. Click a button and _wait_ for something to happen. Sometimes even the delete key bogs down. I have shut off all the extensions I can live without. I use OS 8.6 because it's really the oldest OS that will still run most modern software, like Explorer 5.1, PhotoShop 6.0, etc. I'm wondering if I'm the only one with this problem. What say ye? This sounds like a malfunction or something corrupted. Have you zapped PRAM or rebuilt the desktop? Alternatively, you might consider renaming your 8.6 system folder so you have a backup, and 'clean install' a new OS 8.6 or 8.1 onto that hard disk and see if the problem persists. If it does, I strongly suspect that software is not to blame. -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I may have invented CtrlAltDel, but Microsoft made it popular. -- D. Bradley -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:18:31 +1100 Subject: Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c From: John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks John, -- I'm running a PB1400c/133 with OS 8.6, and for me, it's quite zippy. -- Really? I wonder if I'm still having extension conflicts. I've pruned them the best I can, but... --snip I try to stick to the most ancient programs I can live with. Generally, I find that using programs made at about the same time as the computer (ie, 1997ish) will work best as far as speed is concerned. -- Yes, that makes sense, but the main slowdown problems are occurring even in OS operations, like accessing folders. -- Internet is a little hard to use old software with, but perhaps try and source an older version of Photoshop? -- Well, I don't use it much either, so PhotoShop is OK. It's other stuff that's going slow. Searches, folder opening, program launches, etc. -- I sometimes get the pause thing you described, not only with the Powerbook, but also on a 5500/225 running 8.6. As far as I can tell, it is doing something or other with the network connections. The solution that worked for me (on the powerbook) was to use location manager to disable TCP/IP and AppleTalk when I didn't need them. -- Ahh. That strikes a bell. TCP/IP is off, but AppleTalk may still be on from connecting to the other Macs awhile back. I'll check it out and see if it makes a difference. -- If it tries to connect, and there is nothing to connect to, it does that pause thing. (When I had it on the 5500 it was just because I borrowed the Ethernet cable for something.) Also, if you have any servers set to 'connect at start-up' the machine spends what seems like an eternity looking for them. -- No servers now, but, if AppleTalk is on, the OS is probably still checking for a connection. Add the other special PB housekeeping stuff (battery status, etc.) and it gets pretty sluggish. -- Hope some of this helps :-) -- Yes, thanks much. Ken N. ** -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
** From: Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c Myself, I preferred 8.1 on my 1400 when it was still a 117MHz 603. -- Hmm. I would do that, except I fear it won't run my current apps. Downgrading the OS is diffficult. -- When I upgraded it to a G3/333, because of the historical problems with 8.6 and 1400 G3 upgrades listed on the xlr8yourmac page, I just went straight to 9.1 and it's very nice. I have to have VM turned on, but it's still good. -- Right. I guess I should do the upgrade if I'm going to keep the machine. I need the 64mb memory, too (it's currently at 48mb). Know where I can get it? I'm not certain it's worth the investment, with new iBook prices coming down. -- All the dynamic memory software is slow, too. Click a button and _wait_ for something to happen. This sounds like a malfunction or something corrupted. Have you zapped PRAM or rebuilt the desktop? Alternatively, you might consider renaming your 8.6 system folder so you have a backup, and 'clean install' a new OS 8.6 or 8.1 onto that hard disk and see if the problem persists. If it does, I strongly suspect that software is not to blame. -- I zap PRAM and rebuild the DT on a fairly regular basis, about once every 3 months or so. Doesn't seem to do much. Does it have a separate PRAM battery? If it does, I bet it needs to be replaced. Thanks, Ken N. ** -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
Ken Norris Well, I don't use it much either, so PhotoShop is OK. It's other stuff that's going slow. Searches, folder opening, program launches, etc. Hi Ken I've come in late here so excuse if already covered etc. If protect System Folder is checked in the General controls this might slow you down as might 'show folder sizes'. I read once that having your HD aliased in the Apple menu could slow things down - but that is probably only part of a bigger picture that I don¹t recall. Doubt if this is it but felt it worth the offering in case Regards Brian -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
I guess I should do the upgrade if I'm going to keep the machine. I need the 64mb memory, too (it's currently at 48mb). Know where I can get it? I got mine from an eBay vendor. Finding good priced 1400 RAM is tough. Careful of more than two stacked modules in a machine with an 8MB Apple module, especially if the machine originally came with 4MB. My 1400c started as a 1400cs/117 with a 4MB Apple module. When I upgraded it to an 8, and then started sticking in stackable modules, I started getting errors. Putting the 4MB Apple module back fixed it (so I'm stuck at 60MB, I guess). I zap PRAM and rebuild the DT on a fairly regular basis, about once every 3 months or so. Doesn't seem to do much. Does it have a separate PRAM battery? Yes. It's not cheap, and a pain in the butt to access. :-/ -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The earth is like a tiny grain of sand, only a lot heavier and bigger. - -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
G'day Ken, If all else fails, try a totally clean re-install of the book. When I got mine, it came with a clean install of 8.6 on it, but my experience with other computer 'experts' is that they know a bit about Pee Cee's, but not much when it comes to Mac. I played around for a little while on it, (it was, after all, a new toy :-), but eventually booted up off the OS CD, did a re-format of the drive (Low-level AND zero-all, HFS+), then a custom install of only the parts of the system I needed. Stuff like text-to-speech and web-sharing are quite useless for me, particularly on a Powerbook, so I figure I just won't install them to start with. Ran the usual desktop rebuild, but also a disk optimisation. Not sure if it is really necessary right after an install, but well, the book runs well now, so I'm happy to do it. I zapped the PRAM before installing anything too, not sure if it makes any difference, but hey, it can't hurt... John. On 21/1/03 6:09 AM, Ken Norris (dialup) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:18:31 +1100 Subject: Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c From: John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks John, -- I'm running a PB1400c/133 with OS 8.6, and for me, it's quite zippy. -- Really? I wonder if I'm still having extension conflicts. I've pruned them the best I can, but... --snip I try to stick to the most ancient programs I can live with. Generally, I find that using programs made at about the same time as the computer (ie, 1997ish) will work best as far as speed is concerned. -- Yes, that makes sense, but the main slowdown problems are occurring even in OS operations, like accessing folders. -- Internet is a little hard to use old software with, but perhaps try and source an older version of Photoshop? -- Well, I don't use it much either, so PhotoShop is OK. It's other stuff that's going slow. Searches, folder opening, program launches, etc. -- I sometimes get the pause thing you described, not only with the Powerbook, but also on a 5500/225 running 8.6. As far as I can tell, it is doing something or other with the network connections. The solution that worked for me (on the powerbook) was to use location manager to disable TCP/IP and AppleTalk when I didn't need them. -- Ahh. That strikes a bell. TCP/IP is off, but AppleTalk may still be on from connecting to the other Macs awhile back. I'll check it out and see if it makes a difference. -- If it tries to connect, and there is nothing to connect to, it does that pause thing. (When I had it on the 5500 it was just because I borrowed the Ethernet cable for something.) Also, if you have any servers set to 'connect at start-up' the machine spends what seems like an eternity looking for them. -- No servers now, but, if AppleTalk is on, the OS is probably still checking for a connection. Add the other special PB housekeeping stuff (battery status, etc.) and it gets pretty sluggish. -- Hope some of this helps :-) -- Yes, thanks much. Ken N. ** -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
on 1/20/03 3:32 PM, (PowerBooks) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:05:28 +1100 Subject: Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c From: John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] If all else fails, try a totally clean re-install of the book. -- Maybe someday. Right now there is irreplaceable software stuff. I'd have to mirror the whole drive somewhere. Lots of work and checking. -- eventually booted up off the OS CD, did a re-format of the drive (Low-level AND zero-all, HFS+), then a custom install of only the parts of the system I needed. Stuff like text-to-speech and web-sharing are quite useless for me, particularly on a Powerbook, so I figure I just won't install them to start with. -- Well, I'm engaged in producing solutions for the disabled, so I need most all of those things. I use TTS almost every day, constantly work with QuickTime, etc. -- I zapped the PRAM before installing anything too, not sure if it makes any difference, but hey, it can't hurt... -- True. I'm afeared my PRAM battery is kaput. Things just don't feel right and the 'new' main battery won't take a full recharge. I understand replacing the PRAM battery is a real PITB and expensive to replace. Thanks, Ken N. *** -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
OS 8.6 and 1400c
Hello, I've been looking at some older Macs with older operating systems, and these leaner meaner things seem to work much faster than OS 8.6 does on my stock 133mHz PB 1400c. I've always felt like its slow as molasses in January. It takes forever to load anything, and occasionally stalls completely for 20 seconds or so. When it's online, sometimes it goes way longer than that, making me think it's locked up (or almost ready to). All the dynamic memory software is slow, too. Click a button and _wait_ for something to happen. Sometimes even the delete key bogs down. I have shut off all the extensions I can live without. I use OS 8.6 because it's really the oldest OS that will still run most modern software, like Explorer 5.1, PhotoShop 6.0, etc. I'm wondering if I'm the only one with this problem. What say ye? TIA, Ken N. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 8.6 and 1400c
I'm running a PB1400c/133 with OS 8.6, and for me, it's quite zippy. I don't use Photoshop or anything like that, and I try to stick to the most ancient programs I can live with. Generally, I find that using programs made at about the same time as the computer (ie, 1997ish) will work best as far as speed is concerned. Internet is a little hard to use old software with, but perhaps try and source an older version of Photoshop? I used to use Photoshop 4.0 on a 7200/120, which, whilst not brilliantly fast, was acceptable. (of course, I don't do much with it, just a bit of playing. I have it, because it came with the scanner :-) I sometimes get the pause thing you described, not only with the Powerbook, but also on a 5500/225 running 8.6. As far as I can tell, it is doing something or other with the network connections. The solution that worked for me (on the powerbook) was to use location manager to disable TCP/IP and AppleTalk when I didn't need them. If it tries to connect, and there is nothing to connect to, it does that pause thing. (When I had it on the 5500 it was just because I borrowed the Ethernet cable for something.) Also, if you have any servers set to 'connect at start-up' the machine spends what seems like an eternity looking for them. Hope some of this helps :-) John. On 20/1/03 6:24 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've been looking at some older Macs with older operating systems, and these leaner meaner things seem to work much faster than OS 8.6 does on my stock 133mHz PB 1400c. I've always felt like its slow as molasses in January. It takes forever to load anything, and occasionally stalls completely for 20 seconds or so. When it's online, sometimes it goes way longer than that, making me think it's locked up (or almost ready to). All the dynamic memory software is slow, too. Click a button and _wait_ for something to happen. Sometimes even the delete key bogs down. I have shut off all the extensions I can live without. I use OS 8.6 because it's really the oldest OS that will still run most modern software, like Explorer 5.1, PhotoShop 6.0, etc. I'm wondering if I'm the only one with this problem. What say ye? TIA, Ken N. -- PowerBooks is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html PowerBooks list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
