RE: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

2007-01-10 Thread Tristan Leask
Oh Christ, give me strength!  You lot aren't gonna be blowing their
trumpet about the crappy iphone as well are you!?

Tristan

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Long live Apple, Inc.!

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Re: Can FPD2.6 application run on Windows 2003 server

2007-01-10 Thread Alan Bourke

 Does anyone run FPD2.6 application on Windows 2003 server ?

No reason why not - the same approach to running it under any NT kernel
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Re: [NF] SQL Server Management Studio Express

2007-01-10 Thread Alan Bourke
I run it in an XP virtual machine and it is a mite tardy for sure.
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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Dave Crozier
Richard,

My Version which run with XP: 

Ipswitch WS_FTP Professional 2007.0.0.0. - 2006.06.22

And I don't have the problem.

Dave Crozier

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My mistake. I am running 2007 and it does happen to me. Version 2007 
0.0.0-2006.06.22. They must have patched it at some point.

Dave Crozier wrote:
 Richard,
 It certainly doesn't happen with the 2007 version so I gues they have
fixed
 it.

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 http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/WS-20060811-SP01.htm

   

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RE: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

2007-01-10 Thread Dave Crozier
Tristan,
Bet you wouldn't send one back if it appeared on your desktop though!

I think it looks really cool but unfortunately the bits I use on my PDA
phone aren't there (yet) which relate to appointments and notes/documents
off my PC so I'll suspend judgement.

The screen interfact looks very good though with the 2 fingered gestures (no
Tristan not that type of gesture!) and the Browser is a definite improvement
on my PDA. We'll just have to wait until next Christmas to see it here in
the UK though! Boo Hoo!!

Dave Crozier

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Subject: RE: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

Oh Christ, give me strength!  You lot aren't gonna be blowing their
trumpet about the crappy iphone as well are you!?

Tristan

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RE: VFP9: Thinks table is corrupt

2007-01-10 Thread Dave Crozier
Set tablevalidate 0

Dave Crozier


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I have an app in VFP 9 that thinks a table is corrupt.  I can see the
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RE: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

2007-01-10 Thread Tristan Leask
No I wouldn't send it back, and I probably wouldn't use it either as my
current phone does pretty much everything that it can do.

What has confused me some what is stupid comments such as revolutionise
the industry.  How is it going to revolutionise the industry when its
already been done?  As it stands it doesn't even have 3G capability and
its current specs are remarkably similar to the HTC Hermes (TyTN).

One interesting thing I saw somewhere as well is that it is going to be
a closed platform.  That's just mad!

Tristan

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Tristan,
Bet you wouldn't send one back if it appeared on your desktop though!

I think it looks really cool but unfortunately the bits I use on my PDA
phone aren't there (yet) which relate to appointments and
notes/documents
off my PC so I'll suspend judgement.

The screen interfact looks very good though with the 2 fingered gestures
(no
Tristan not that type of gesture!) and the Browser is a definite
improvement
on my PDA. We'll just have to wait until next Christmas to see it here
in
the UK though! Boo Hoo!!

Dave Crozier

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RE: Can FPD2.6 application run on Windows 2003 server

2007-01-10 Thread Christof Wollenhaupt
Hi,

 Does anyone run FPD2.6 application on Windows 2003 server ?

They don't work with Terminal Services. DOS applications hang multiple times
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RE: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

2007-01-10 Thread Dave Crozier
I agree,
I've just upgraded to the Orange SPV M3100 which is the HTC Hermes (I think)
and I love the slide out keyboard and small footprint. I had the SPV M2000
(2K3 CE) before that and the only drawback with the new one is the battery
life. The 2000 was considerably better. Apart from that, I love it.

Dave Crozier

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No I wouldn't send it back, and I probably wouldn't use it either as my
current phone does pretty much everything that it can do.

What has confused me some what is stupid comments such as revolutionise
the industry.  How is it going to revolutionise the industry when its
already been done?  As it stands it doesn't even have 3G capability and
its current specs are remarkably similar to the HTC Hermes (TyTN).

One interesting thing I saw somewhere as well is that it is going to be
a closed platform.  That's just mad!

Tristan

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Tristan,
Bet you wouldn't send one back if it appeared on your desktop though!

I think it looks really cool but unfortunately the bits I use on my PDA
phone aren't there (yet) which relate to appointments and
notes/documents
off my PC so I'll suspend judgement.

The screen interfact looks very good though with the 2 fingered gestures
(no
Tristan not that type of gesture!) and the Browser is a definite
improvement
on my PDA. We'll just have to wait until next Christmas to see it here
in
the UK though! Boo Hoo!!

Dave Crozier


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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

2007-01-10 Thread Paul Newton
Dave Crozier wrote:
 Tristan,
 Bet you wouldn't send one back if it appeared on your desktop though!

 I think it looks really cool but unfortunately the bits I use on my PDA
 phone 
Which is ?
 aren't there (yet) which relate to appointments and notes/documents
 off my PC so I'll suspend judgement.

 The screen interfact looks very good though with the 2 fingered gestures (no
 Tristan not that type of gesture!) and the Browser is a definite improvement
 on my PDA. We'll just have to wait until next Christmas to see it here in
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[OT] Dear Mr and Mrs Smith

2007-01-10 Thread Bill Arnold

Dear Mr and Mrs Smith,

I'm writing to tell you in advance that if your son winds up in a
wheelchair because I sent him to fight in our grand and glorious battle
in the ME, that he will not be ignored and forgotten as we did with
those we sent into battle in wars past. No, this time we are really,
actually going to go out of our way to make sure he will be honored and
cared for in many ways.

First, I want you to know that his name will be inscribed on a plague in
Halliburton's MAIN (not secondary, but MAIN) office in Texas. And that's
just for openers. We're also going to plant trees in parks throughout
Jerusalem, each bearing the name of an American solider who paid the
ultimate price or will live in pain for the rest of his life to see to
it that our one true friend in the whole world, Israel, is never forced
to do anything to accommodate even one stinking Arab.

And, if that's not enough to make your spine tinkle with patriotism, I
want you to know that I'm planning on sending you and your family a FREE
full tank of gas each and every year on the anniversary of his crippling
for FIVE years. That's right: FIVE YEARS!

I assume you're aware, but I'll say it anyway, that we plan to load your
son down with more then enough weapons to kill every living thing in
sight before they get him. And we'll have photographers on the scene
taking photos of the destruction your son will be a part of, and then
we're going to send you some of those photos so you'll have them ready
to show him whenever he gets depressed because he'll never walk again.
They will be so uplifting because your entire family can then share his
agony. I know it's hard to imagine bonding on that level, but I
personally assure you that this is exactly what it takes to be a true
patriotic American family.

Signed, 

Your true friend in the White House
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Re: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Man-wai CHANG
 His thesis, that rapid development, test-driven development, SOA,
 scripting, and web-based updates are restricted to apps within the
 browser is just missing the boat. He's confusing the implementation
 with the architecture, imo.

what the  on earth is desktop software development?


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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Man-wai CHANG
 run WS-FTP 2006, I got a message box displaying the Word Never! and a 
 yellow triangle. Like one of those things you see in the back pages of 

Did you try FileZilla? It's free and has both a server and a client.

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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

2007-01-10 Thread Man-wai CHANG
Ed Leafe wrote:
   Long live Apple, Inc.!

They just announced a toy called iPhone...


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RE: Can FPD2.6 application run on Windows 2003 server

2007-01-10 Thread Malcolm Greene
Google tamedos - this may be a solution?

Malcolm


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RE: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Dave Crozier
About 90% of what all VFP development covers!

Dave Crozier

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 His thesis, that rapid development, test-driven development, SOA,
 scripting, and web-based updates are restricted to apps within the
 browser is just missing the boat. He's confusing the implementation
 with the architecture, imo.

what the  on earth is desktop software development?


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RE: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Stephen the Cook
Man-wai CHANG  wrote:
 His thesis, that rapid development, test-driven development, SOA,
 scripting, and web-based updates are restricted to apps within the
 browser is just missing the boat. He's confusing the implementation
 with the architecture, imo.
 
 what the  on earth is desktop software development?

Software that is designed to run on the local pc.  WinForm vs Web in .net
speak.


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Re: [OT] Dear Mr and Mrs Smith

2007-01-10 Thread Pete Theisen
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 05:42, Bill Arnold wrote:
 Dear Mr and Mrs Smith,

 I'm writing to tell you in advance that if your son 

Hi Bill!

Well, this crosses the line. Not original however. Tokyo Rose had the same 
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RE: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Adam Buckland
Dave,

Out of interest 80 - 90%% of my Foxpro programs run in batch overnight
on a server with no visual interface (Prob why VS6 is still good for my
needs); is this your mythical 10% or are you thinking in a client server
model?

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About 90% of what all VFP development covers!

Dave Crozier

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 His thesis, that rapid development, test-driven development, SOA,
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 browser is just missing the boat. He's confusing the implementation
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what the  on earth is desktop software development?


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RE: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Dave Crozier
Adam,
I was thinking of any applications that run ON as client as opposed to in
Client server mode. I guess that you can fall into either camp with that
setup!

You must miss the joy (not) of designing pretty user interfaces for petty
users who don't know their a*ses from their elbows. BG

Dave Crozier

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Dave,

Out of interest 80 - 90%% of my Foxpro programs run in batch overnight
on a server with no visual interface (Prob why VS6 is still good for my
needs); is this your mythical 10% or are you thinking in a client server
model?

::a


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About 90% of what all VFP development covers!

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 His thesis, that rapid development, test-driven development, SOA,
 scripting, and web-based updates are restricted to apps within the
 browser is just missing the boat. He's confusing the implementation
 with the architecture, imo.

what the  on earth is desktop software development?


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[NF] Genaology data for UK ports is now open.

2007-01-10 Thread Stephen Russell
http://tinyurl.com/y2e4yu

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- People looking to track ancestors who emigrated
from British ports will from Wednesday be able to search online passenger
lists of the ships that carried them to new lands.

Released by Britain's National Archives, the passenger manifests give an
insight into all long-distance trips made by 30 million travelers from the
country's ports between 1890 and 1960, including that of the Titanic which
sank in 1912.


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Re: [NF] Neat Free Desktop Remote Control

2007-01-10 Thread Ajit Abraham
Dave Crozier wrote:
 
 http://www.crossloop.com
 

Great find!

Thanks for sharing.

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RE: Strange error message

2007-01-10 Thread Christof Wollenhaupt
Hi John,

You get the locking error, because your project contains a DBC (database)
that is opened elsewhere, either on your machine or by an user of your
application. VFP tries to recompile all stored procedures. To locate the
faulty lines, enter

OPEN DATABASE c:\pontotoc\pontotoc.dbc
SET DATABASE TO pontotoc
MODIFY PROCEDURE

Probably the line with ENDIF contains some additional characters that have
been inserted accidentally.


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RE: Can FPD2.6 application run on Windows 2003 server

2007-01-10 Thread Christof Wollenhaupt
Hi Malcolm,

 Google tamedos - this may be a solution?

Works fine on the desktop and on Windows 2000 Terminal Server, but
unfortunately not on W2003.

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Re: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Man-wai CHANG

Did he mean we are moving back to mainframe era, now called servers?

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread MB Software Solutions
Jaime Vasquez wrote:
 For your eyes pleasure:


 http://www.thedatafarm.com/blog/content/binary/wsftpnever.png
   

Wanna bet that we've all got some code like that somewhere in our past 
apps where we use something like this and preface it with a comment 
saying This should never happen!;-)

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RE: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread vbiersch

I got a kick out of this one because I've seen both sides and it allways amazes 
me when developers develop something without understanding the business process 
from end to end
-Original Message-

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Adam,
I was thinking of any applications that run ON as client as opposed to in
Client server mode. I guess that you can fall into either camp with that
setup!

You must miss the joy (not) of designing pretty user interfaces for petty
users who don't know their a*ses from their elbows. BG

Dave Crozier

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Dave,

Out of interest 80 - 90%% of my Foxpro programs run in batch overnight
on a server with no visual interface (Prob why VS6 is still good for my
needs); is this your mythical 10% or are you thinking in a client server
model?

::a


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About 90% of what all VFP development covers!

Dave Crozier

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Sent: 10 January 2007 11:30
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Subject: Re: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

 His thesis, that rapid development, test-driven development, SOA,
 scripting, and web-based updates are restricted to apps within the
 browser is just missing the boat. He's confusing the implementation
 with the architecture, imo.

what the  on earth is desktop software development?


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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Richard Kaye
I renamed the DLL referenced in their KB article and it works fine for 
me now. I even put it back so I could get Whil his screenshot. Glad I 
don't have to debug something like this...

Dave Crozier wrote:
 Richard,

 My Version which run with XP: 

 Ipswitch WS_FTP Professional 2007.0.0.0. - 2006.06.22

 And I don't have the problem.

 Dave Crozier

   

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RE: Strange error message

2007-01-10 Thread Sietse Wijnker
By the way,
To see where the build errors out, there's another option to see what's goin
on next to the 'Display Errors' checkbox:

Open up the Debugger Output window during the build.
This will echo some detailed messages during the process. Another option is
to use SET DEBUGOUT, f.i.

SET DEBUGOUT TO Build.txt
BUILD EXE myApp.exe FROM (_VFP.ActiveProject.Name)
SET DEBUGOUT TO
MODIFY FILE  Build.txt

Has helped me numerous times sofar
Regards,
Sietse Wijnker

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christof 
 Wollenhaupt
 Sent: woensdag 10 januari 2007 13:50
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Strange error message
 
 Hi John,
 
 You get the locking error, because your project contains a 
 DBC (database) that is opened elsewhere, either on your 
 machine or by an user of your application. VFP tries to 
 recompile all stored procedures. To locate the faulty lines, enter
 
 OPEN DATABASE c:\pontotoc\pontotoc.dbc
 SET DATABASE TO pontotoc
 MODIFY PROCEDURE
 
 Probably the line with ENDIF contains some additional 
 characters that have been inserted accidentally.
 
 
 --
 Christof
 
 
 
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[NF] New LAN solution

2007-01-10 Thread Sietse Wijnker
Hi,

I'm on the point of replacing all LAN networking equipment at my home due to
numerous problems where multiple devices (router, AP) have to be reset in
order to get it working again. Also I've bought some new computers over the
last years that have a Gigabit LAN, but my LAN equipment doesn't support it
(100Mbit and 10Mbit).

For that I need a new router with VPN, a WLAN AP (or both in one device) and
a separate 8port or 16 port Gb switch.


Does anyone have any tips/experience on make/models to buy or NOT to buy?

Regards,
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Re: Can FPD2.6 application run on Windows 2003 server

2007-01-10 Thread Seng Hock Yap
sorry, maybe i didn't write my question properly.

the FPD2.6 application will be stored in the dump win2003 server to allow
WIN98 and WINXP workstation open the FPD2.6 application. no terminal
services involved, just simple sharing.
will there any problem in printting ?

thanks all
Yap


On 1/10/07, Christof Wollenhaupt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

  Does anyone run FPD2.6 application on Windows 2003 server ?

 They don't work with Terminal Services. DOS applications hang multiple
 times
 a day without any solution that I'm aware of.

 --
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[NF] JavaScript tool Cross Platform

2007-01-10 Thread srussell
http://www.aptana.com/download_all.php

Anyone looking to the new need for js in your ajax work?


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Most popular Foxpro framework

2007-01-10 Thread Man-wai CHANG

Is there a chart for that?

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Ted Roche
On 1/9/07, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks -- I never knew that -- but, I was just quoting an apparently-
 too-obscure reference.


And these people don't know where it's from? Barbarians!

Well, I can't tell you. Ha, ha, ha.

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RE: Strange error message

2007-01-10 Thread Dave Crozier
Sietse,
After all these years I've never noticed the compilation output in the debug
window before. Nice find.

My excuse is I never have any errors anyway, so I never need the debugger
open! BG

Dave Crozier


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Of Sietse Wijnker
Sent: 10 January 2007 13:20
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Strange error message

By the way,
To see where the build errors out, there's another option to see what's goin
on next to the 'Display Errors' checkbox:

Open up the Debugger Output window during the build.
This will echo some detailed messages during the process. Another option is
to use SET DEBUGOUT, f.i.

SET DEBUGOUT TO Build.txt
BUILD EXE myApp.exe FROM (_VFP.ActiveProject.Name)
SET DEBUGOUT TO
MODIFY FILE  Build.txt

Has helped me numerous times sofar
Regards,
Sietse Wijnker

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christof 
 Wollenhaupt
 Sent: woensdag 10 januari 2007 13:50
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Strange error message
 
 Hi John,
 
 You get the locking error, because your project contains a 
 DBC (database) that is opened elsewhere, either on your 
 machine or by an user of your application. VFP tries to 
 recompile all stored procedures. To locate the faulty lines, enter
 
 OPEN DATABASE c:\pontotoc\pontotoc.dbc
 SET DATABASE TO pontotoc
 MODIFY PROCEDURE
 
 Probably the line with ENDIF contains some additional 
 characters that have been inserted accidentally.
 
 
 --
 Christof
 
 
 
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[OT] Forget the SAT exam.

2007-01-10 Thread srussell
TOKYO, Japan (AP) -- Math whizzes and other prodigies need not apply
unless they can demonstrate dexterity with a pair of chopsticks under new
entrance requirements announced by a Japanese girls' school on Wednesday.

http://tinyurl.com/tcddh



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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
 On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:38 PM, John Weller wrote:
 
 (What's a 'Cubit'?)

 The distance from the end of the fingers to the elbow - generally  
 taken to
 be 18.
 
 Thanks -- I never knew that -- but, I was just quoting an apparently- 
 too-obscure reference.

Au contraire.

And _I_ can tread water for a loong time. s

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
MB Software Solutions wrote:
 Jaime Vasquez wrote:
 For your eyes pleasure:


 http://www.thedatafarm.com/blog/content/binary/wsftpnever.png
   
 
 Wanna bet that we've all got some code like that somewhere in our past 
 apps where we use something like this and preface it with a comment 
 saying This should never happen!;-)

My messagebox in those situations say

   Something bad happened.

I used to put Oh shit! in the title bar of the messagebox, too, until 
a customer called one day to tell me they ran into it

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Re: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Peter Cushing
Dave Crozier wrote:
 You must miss the joy (not) of designing pretty user interfaces for petty
 users who don't know their a*ses from their elbows. BG
   
Have you got any pretty users Dave? tell me more ;-)

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Re: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 1/10/07, Peter Cushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave Crozier wrote:
  You must miss the joy (not) of designing pretty user interfaces for petty
  users who don't know their a*ses from their elbows. BG
 
 Have you got any pretty users Dave? tell me more ;-)

 Peter

petty # pretty...unfortunately...

A+
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RE: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Tristan Leask
I dunno! I know some pretty lasses that are a bit petty at times.

BG

Tristan

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petty # pretty...unfortunately...

A+
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Re: Can FPD2.6 application run on Windows 2003 server

2007-01-10 Thread Peter Cushing
Seng Hock Yap wrote:
 sorry, maybe i didn't write my question properly.

 the FPD2.6 application will be stored in the dump win2003 server to allow
 WIN98 and WINXP workstation open the FPD2.6 application. no terminal
 services involved, just simple sharing.
 will there any problem in printting ?
   
Should not be any problems printing as long as you:

net use lpt1: \\myserver\myprintshare
etc.

then print to the lpt port.


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RE: [NF] New LAN solution

2007-01-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Checkout http://tinyurl.com/ylec4w. 

Haven't had experience with it so I can't really recommend it. I do use
their software product and it's good. 

PabloSr.

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Subject: [NF] New LAN solution


Hi,

I'm on the point of replacing all LAN networking equipment at my home due to
numerous problems where multiple devices (router, AP) have to be reset in
order to get it working again. Also I've bought some new computers over the
last years that have a Gigabit LAN, but my LAN equipment doesn't support it
(100Mbit and 10Mbit).

For that I need a new router with VPN, a WLAN AP (or both in one device) and
a separate 8port or 16 port Gb switch.


Does anyone have any tips/experience on make/models to buy or NOT to buy?

Regards,
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Re: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Peter Cushing
Jean Laeremans wrote:
 petty # pretty...unfortunately...

   
Oops... should have

SET DYSLEXIA OFF

before sending

Peter



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Re: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Helio W.
Accordingly to what a KPMG consultant told the company I was working for ten
years ago, the PC is dead and right now we all are using some sort of set
top box or thin client.


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FoxTalk Death Throes Continue...

2007-01-10 Thread Ted Roche
On the a href=http://fox.wikis.com;FoxPro wiki/a, a
href=http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~PinnaclePublishing;Alex
Feldstein documents/a the most recent of many problems with New Hill
Services, aka Eli Research, the latest purchasers of the FoxTalk
newsletter, originally from Pinnacle Publishing. (Disclosure: FoxTalk
published several articles of mine, starting in 1992 and ending in
2004).  These people are just incredibly clumsy in the way they have
worked with the community which once supported the newsletters.
Terminating the editor, dropping or antagonizing their top-notch
contributing writers, harassing former subscribers and failing to
engage the community have ruined any chances of FoxTalk's recovery. I
wish they would just terminate the paper and spare us all the
embarassment.

Just this morning, I received an email announcing Your latest FoxTalk
2.0 is Available Online! Curious if they were giving away free online
content or offering a trial, I navigated to
http://osslogin.com/login/pin, which asked for a login and displayed
the Pinnacle (not Eli, not New Hill) logos and no links -- no Who we
are, Read our other publications, nothing. Really suspicious.
Examining the HTML source, there were no signs of foul play (it does
look like a phishing expedition, doesn't it?), so I tried the forgot
your password link and supplied my email address (I already get and
squash 500 spams a day, so one more wouldn't hurt). I promptly got an
email with my password, and attempted to log in. Account Expired it
told me, again with no other information or links. How annoying! If it
was expired, why send the email notice? And wouldn't this be a killer
opportunity to ask me to re-up? Nothing. Bozos.


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RE: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Dave Crozier
Peter,
You obviously also need:

Set GoForVisionTest ON

Before posting!

Dave Crozier

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Jean Laeremans wrote:
 petty # pretty...unfortunately...

   
Oops... should have

SET DYSLEXIA OFF

before sending

Peter



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Re: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 1/10/07, Dave Crozier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Peter,
 You obviously also need:

 Set GoForVisionTest ON

 Before posting!

 Dave Crozier

Or more likely :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudian_slip

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Re: [NF] New LAN solution

2007-01-10 Thread Ted Roche
On 1/10/07, Sietse Wijnker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone have any tips/experience on make/models to buy or NOT to buy?


I've had a lot of luck with Linksys equipment over the years, although
most of my experience is with the models prior to their acquisition by
Cisco. But from what I hear, the merger has only provided Linksys with
more upscale features and models. There's a Wireless-N, router, SPI
firewall and 4-port gigabit switch for around USD $200. However, I'd
be inclined to go with a separate switch from the Router-AP unless you
are dealing with very fast (5 Mbps) internet connections, just to
separate the chance of failures and lower the costs.

-- 
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RE: Strange error message

2007-01-10 Thread Rick Schummer
Dave,

After all these years I've never noticed the compilation output in the debug 
window before. Nice
find.

This is new in VFP 9.


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Re: Can FPD2.6 application run on Windows 2003 server

2007-01-10 Thread Seng Hock Yap
Peter,

thanks for your reply.

how about the stabality of the FPD appliation ?

Yap


On 1/10/07, Peter Cushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Seng Hock Yap wrote:
  sorry, maybe i didn't write my question properly.
 
  the FPD2.6 application will be stored in the dump win2003 server to
 allow
  WIN98 and WINXP workstation open the FPD2.6 application. no terminal
  services involved, just simple sharing.
  will there any problem in printting ?
 
 Should not be any problems printing as long as you:

 net use lpt1: \\myserver\myprintshare
 etc.

 then print to the lpt port.


 Peter


 
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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Peter Hart
My particular favourite is Shoot the programmer which came back to
haunt me some 5 years after a project was completed

Cheers
Peter

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Jaime Vasquez wrote:
 For your eyes pleasure:


 http://www.thedatafarm.com/blog/content/binary/wsftpnever.png
   

Wanna bet that we've all got some code like that somewhere in our past 
apps where we use something like this and preface it with a comment 
saying This should never happen!;-)

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RE: Strange error message

2007-01-10 Thread Dave Crozier
Rick,
Thanks, I feel relieved, but I still wouldn't have noticed if it had been
earlier!

Dave Crozier

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Dave,

After all these years I've never noticed the compilation output in the
debug window before. Nice
find.

This is new in VFP 9.


Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

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Re: FoxTalk Death Throes Continue...

2007-01-10 Thread Richard Kaye
I got a similar one myself, telling me something like my subscription 
renewal was kicking in and please pay my bill. Since I haven't renewed 
it, I guess they're just looking for more creative ways to extend the 
subscriber base...

Ted Roche wrote:
 Just this morning, I received an email announcing Your latest FoxTalk
 2.0 is Available Online! Curious if they were giving away free online
 content or offering a trial, I navigated to
 http://osslogin.com/login/pin, which asked for a login and displayed
 the Pinnacle (not Eli, not New Hill) logos and no links -- no Who we
 are, Read our other publications, nothing. Really suspicious.
 Examining the HTML source, there were no signs of foul play (it does
 look like a phishing expedition, doesn't it?), so I tried the forgot
 your password link and supplied my email address (I already get and
 squash 500 spams a day, so one more wouldn't hurt). I promptly got an
 email with my password, and attempted to log in. Account Expired it
 told me, again with no other information or links. How annoying! If it
 was expired, why send the email notice? And wouldn't this be a killer
 opportunity to ask me to re-up? Nothing. Bozos.

   

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Re: Can FPD2.6 application run on Windows 2003 server

2007-01-10 Thread Peter Cushing
Seng Hock Yap wrote:
 Peter,

 thanks for your reply.

 how about the stabality of the FPD appliation ?

   
No problem.  We are running an FPD application with anything up to about 
60 users accessing it fine.  We do need to install tamedos on each 
workstation or the processor usage goes up into the 90's.

Peter



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Re: [NF] New LAN solution

2007-01-10 Thread Peter Cushing
Sietse Wijnker wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm on the point of replacing all LAN networking equipment at my home due to
 numerous problems where multiple devices (router, AP) have to be reset in
 order to get it working again. Also I've bought some new computers over the
 last years that have a Gigabit LAN, but my LAN equipment doesn't support it
 (100Mbit and 10Mbit).

 For that I need a new router with VPN, a WLAN AP (or both in one device) and
 a separate 8port or 16 port Gb switch.


 Does anyone have any tips/experience on make/models to buy or NOT to buy?
   
I got one of these a while ago:

http://www.pcwb.com/catalogue/item/LKSWL083

ADSL modem, wireless AP and 4 port switch with a free PCMCIA wireless 
card.  Great value.  Not tried out any VPN capability but it mentions 
VPN pass through.

Peter



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Re: [OT] Forget the SAT exam.

2007-01-10 Thread Michael Madigan
I guess using a fork is out of the question.  I wonder
if they are forced to commit hari kari if they fail.


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 TOKYO, Japan (AP) -- Math whizzes and other
 prodigies need not apply
 unless they can demonstrate dexterity with a pair of
 chopsticks under new
 entrance requirements announced by a Japanese girls'
 school on Wednesday.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/tcddh
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] Dear Mr and Mrs Smith

2007-01-10 Thread Michael Madigan
Dear Mr and Mrs Arnold,

It seems your boy isn't taking his meds anymore. 
Please ensure that the medicine I've prescribed is
taken in its proper dosage as we want young William to
get better.

Sincerely,

Dr. Freud





--- Bill Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Dear Mr and Mrs Smith,
 
 I'm writing to tell you in advance that if your son
 winds up in a
 wheelchair because I sent him to fight in our grand
 and glorious battle
 in the ME, that he will not be ignored and forgotten
 as we did with
 those we sent into battle in wars past. No, this
 time we are really,
 actually going to go out of our way to make sure he
 will be honored and
 cared for in many ways.
 
 First, I want you to know that his name will be
 inscribed on a plague in
 Halliburton's MAIN (not secondary, but MAIN) office
 in Texas. And that's
 just for openers. We're also going to plant trees in
 parks throughout
 Jerusalem, each bearing the name of an American
 solider who paid the
 ultimate price or will live in pain for the rest of
 his life to see to
 it that our one true friend in the whole world,
 Israel, is never forced
 to do anything to accommodate even one stinking
 Arab.
 
 And, if that's not enough to make your spine tinkle
 with patriotism, I
 want you to know that I'm planning on sending you
 and your family a FREE
 full tank of gas each and every year on the
 anniversary of his crippling
 for FIVE years. That's right: FIVE YEARS!
 
 I assume you're aware, but I'll say it anyway, that
 we plan to load your
 son down with more then enough weapons to kill every
 living thing in
 sight before they get him. And we'll have
 photographers on the scene
 taking photos of the destruction your son will be a
 part of, and then
 we're going to send you some of those photos so
 you'll have them ready
 to show him whenever he gets depressed because he'll
 never walk again.
 They will be so uplifting because your entire family
 can then share his
 agony. I know it's hard to imagine bonding on that
 level, but I
 personally assure you that this is exactly what it
 takes to be a true
 patriotic American family.
 
 Signed, 
 
 Your true friend in the White House
 The Great Decider
 
 
 
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RE: [NF] New LAN solution

2007-01-10 Thread Sietse Wijnker
Hi Peter,

Forgot to mention it, but i need a T1 router, not ADSL

VPN passthrough means I need to install a separate VPN server, what I don't
want I want to support VPN connections from and to the router.

Sietse

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Cushing
 Sent: woensdag 10 januari 2007 17:13
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [NF] New LAN solution
 
 Sietse Wijnker wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I'm on the point of replacing all LAN networking equipment 
 at my home 
  due to numerous problems where multiple devices (router, 
 AP) have to 
  be reset in order to get it working again. Also I've bought 
 some new 
  computers over the last years that have a Gigabit LAN, but my LAN 
  equipment doesn't support it (100Mbit and 10Mbit).
 
  For that I need a new router with VPN, a WLAN AP (or both in one 
  device) and a separate 8port or 16 port Gb switch.
 
 
  Does anyone have any tips/experience on make/models to buy 
 or NOT to buy?

 I got one of these a while ago:
 
 http://www.pcwb.com/catalogue/item/LKSWL083
 
 ADSL modem, wireless AP and 4 port switch with a free PCMCIA 
 wireless card.  Great value.  Not tried out any VPN 
 capability but it mentions VPN pass through.
 
 Peter
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] Forget the SAT exam.

2007-01-10 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 1/10/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I guess using a fork is out of the question.  I wonder
 if they are forced to commit hari kari if they fail.

http://www.jref.com/glossary/harakiri.shtml

A+
jml


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Re: Can FPD2.6 application run on Windows 2003 server

2007-01-10 Thread Seng Hock Yap
Peter,

what is tamedos ? must install in all workstation (win98 and winxp) ? where
can i download it ?

thanks
Yap
On 1/11/07, Peter Cushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Seng Hock Yap wrote:
  Peter,
 
  thanks for your reply.
 
  how about the stabality of the FPD appliation ?
 
 
 No problem.  We are running an FPD application with anything up to about
 60 users accessing it fine.  We do need to install tamedos on each
 workstation or the processor usage goes up into the 90's.

 Peter



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Re: Can FPD2.6 application run on Windows 2003 server

2007-01-10 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 1/10/07, Seng Hock Yap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Peter,

 what is tamedos ? must install in all workstation (win98 and winxp) ? where
 can i download it ?

http://www.tamedos.com/downloads/downloads.htm

As usual google's your friend.

A+
jml


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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread John Weller
My email is playing up - I didn't get the initial reference.  I'm getting
some emails way out of time so I see replies anything up to two days before
the initial post!

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631

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 On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:38 PM, John Weller wrote:

  (What's a 'Cubit'?)
 
 
  The distance from the end of the fingers to the elbow - generally
  taken to
  be 18.

 Thanks -- I never knew that -- but, I was just quoting an apparently-
 too-obscure reference.




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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread John Weller
 Jaime Vasquez wrote:
  For your eyes pleasure:
 
 
  http://www.thedatafarm.com/blog/content/binary/wsftpnever.png

 
 Wanna bet that we've all got some code like that somewhere in our past 
 apps where we use something like this and preface it with a comment 
 saying This should never happen!;-)
 


Guilty as charged M'Lud

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Re: Can FPD2.6 application run on Windows 2003 server

2007-01-10 Thread Seng Hock Yap
thanks all.

thanks Malcolm and peter for tamedos and jml for the link. +_+

thanks,
Yap

On 1/11/07, Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 1/10/07, Seng Hock Yap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Peter,
 
  what is tamedos ? must install in all workstation (win98 and winxp) ?
 where
  can i download it ?

 http://www.tamedos.com/downloads/downloads.htm

 As usual google's your friend.

 A+
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

2007-01-10 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 03:50 PM 1/9/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote:
I think you're wrong Kristyne, there's much scientific work behind these
theories and plenty and strong evidence. And the brain IS a bio-chemical
machine. From what I read, real science already buried most of classic
psychoanalysis two decades ago.
...

Uh... I'm more inclined to agree with Kristyne. I have a friend who is 
married to a doctor. He manages the practice. What he has observed and 
experienced pretty much are in total agreement with Kristyne's experiences 
and observations. Basically, most medical 'science' is 'guessing'. Don't 
get me wrong, they have a lot of information, data, research, etc, to help 
them guess, but in the end it's pretty much guessing. Surgury is, of 
course, a bit more 'scientific', but most things beyond that are 'lets try 
this and see what happens.'

Generally, there is a pendulum type thing that happens in medicine: first - 
druggers are favored, then some new 'discovery' comes along and then 
talkers are favored. Then the reverse happens. If you look over the 
history of medicine you'll see what I mean.

Overall I believe the medical industry (not counting drug companies) has 
improved. But it's almost a wonder how we ever got past witch doctors.

:-)

-Charlie




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RE: repetitive SEEKs

2007-01-10 Thread Hal Kaplan
I have some worthless ideas for you, Babcock.

I read all the other posts here and frankly do not understand why
everything is so complicated.  I will give you the simplest way to
accomplish this.  Then you can criticize it, reject it, and wind-up
using it a week from now g.

Create a table with two fields: one in date format containing the
sequential dates from any day to any other day (also the pk), the other
(named work) in binary integer format where 1 means you work and 0 means
you do not. I am assuming that you know how many days a process will
take.  So when you need to compute a completion date ...

select halsmarvelouscalendartable
set order to indexedbydate
.
.
.
days-needed=somemagicknumber
days-got=0
select halsmarvelouscalendartable
seek starting-date
scan rest while days-gotdays-needed
days-got=days-got+halsmarvelouscalendartable.work
endscan
ending-date=halsmarvelouscalendartable.date
.
.
.

The usual disclaimer about possibly having to adjust the result by
adding or subtracting one to account for inclusive or exclusive
end-points.

The advantage of this scheme is that it is simple, yes .. perhaps too
simple for today's complexity-intensive systems and that it is
extensible in the horizontal aspect so that individual schedules may be
maintained and queried programatically (i.e. one column per employee can
include vacation time as well as weekends and holidays)

Good luck!

B+
HALinNY


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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Hal Kaplan
In Islamic societies, where digitectomies are often performed, the
traditional definition of cubit is highly susceptible to variations.

Fermat's Theorem takes a different approach to cubit but it is yet to
be proven.

The histories suggest that the cubit is an ancient Egyptian measurement
adopted for measuring the length of pythons because of the ubiquity of
elbows and manual digits and the close approximation to the bending
radius of mature pythons.  Since pi had not yet been discovered, the
cubit was widely used.

Incidentally, if you have a square that is one foot in length on each
side, the length of that diagonal of that square is exactly one cubit as
defined by the flooring installers convention of 1954.  This can be
proven using the Pythagorean theorem of right triangles. 
12x12+12x12=17x17 (give or take).

There is no need to thank me for this exposition.

B+
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

2007-01-10 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote:

 Basically, most medical 'science' is 'guessing'. Don't
 get me wrong, they have a lot of information, data, research, etc,  
 to help
 them guess, but in the end it's pretty much guessing. Surgury is, of
 course, a bit more 'scientific', but most things beyond that are  
 'lets try
 this and see what happens.'

The 'guessing' is the result of those pesky ethical issues involved  
in sampling living human brains for analysis.

The mechanisms have been confirmed in those mammalian creatures for  
whom such issues are not as much of a problem. I did my thesis  
(degree in Neurological Biochemistry) studying the enzyme monoamine  
oxidase (MAO), which is a major actor in schizophrenic disorders, but  
they wouldn't let me work with human patients for some odd reason.  
However, more than a few rats gave their all for the research.

All kidding aside, it isn't as simple as 'guessing'. There has to be  
a ton of neurological research to establish a mechanism, and then  
testing on non-human subjects to confirm the guess there. Only then  
can they actually start trying it out on humans. But as I mentioned  
in a previous post, a single disease such as depression is actually  
several distinct conditions. It would be as unreasonable to expect  
every one of those conditions to respond the same way to the same  
drug, just as you wouldn't expect the same treatment for one kind of  
cancer have the same effect on all other cancers.

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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

2007-01-10 Thread Hal Kaplan
= Subject: Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is 
= responsible for?
= 
= On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote:
= 
=  Basically, most medical 'science' is 'guessing'. Don't get 
= me wrong, 
=  they have a lot of information, data, research, etc, to help them 
=  guess, but in the end it's pretty much guessing. Surgury is, of 
=  course, a bit more 'scientific', but most things beyond 
= that are 'lets 
=  try this and see what happens.'
= 
=  The 'guessing' is the result of those pesky ethical 
= issues involved in sampling living human brains for analysis.
= 
=  The mechanisms have been confirmed in those mammalian 
= creatures for whom such issues are not as much of a problem. 
= I did my thesis (degree in Neurological Biochemistry) 
= studying the enzyme monoamine oxidase (MAO), which is a 
= major actor in schizophrenic disorders, but they wouldn't 
= let me work with human patients for some odd reason.  
= However, more than a few rats gave their all for the research.
= 
=  All kidding aside, it isn't as simple as 'guessing'. 
= There has to be a ton of neurological research to establish 
= a mechanism, and then testing on non-human subjects to 
= confirm the guess there. Only then can they actually start 
= trying it out on humans. But as I mentioned in a previous 
= post, a single disease such as depression is actually 
= several distinct conditions. It would be as unreasonable to 
= expect every one of those conditions to respond the same way 
= to the same drug, just as you wouldn't expect the same 
= treatment for one kind of cancer have the same effect on all 
= other cancers.
= 
= -- Ed Leafe


As a major consumer of these drugs, I can assure you that it is more guessing 
than not.  Yes, the guesses can be highly educated but the efficacy of a 
particular drug can vary considerably from patient to patient regardless of the 
number of common indications to prescribe the drug that any two patients may 
have.  None of the SSRI drugs are indicated for more than 6-8 months of 
continuous use and I have experienced cases where one drug works very well 
during one treatment regimen and two years later has a totally opposite effect 
on me.  More recently, one drug was miraculous in its effect on me ... for 
about 3 days ... and then stopped working altogether.

The kid who committed suicide because of his disappointment represents an 
unfortunate reality of life, which we seem to forget includes the survival of 
the fittest attribute.

B+
HALinNY

P.S.  I also grew my own arterial bypass and my cardiologist said that it 
happens in about 15% of patients who experience reduced clearance.  It's a long 
story but I do not understand how that 15% is determined when most people who 
do it will not be examined for it.


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Ah - the new and improved MS home page

2007-01-10 Thread William Sanders / EFG
Yikes - Meester G is on the home page again, with a big blurb about living
large at the CES.  I swore I would make it to the CES this year, I've been
avoiding it for the last 25 years now and always swore I would go.

Anyway -

There's a list on the far right for all MicroSoft Sites -
Click the 'Products and Related Technologies' link -
[which drops me (YMMV) to
http://www.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/webservice/navigation.asmx/DisplayDownlevelNavHtml?navPath=/global/SiteTemplates/f40749b9-f268-4f37-a980-adc3dc3ac38a.xmlgroupName=Products%20%26%20Related%20Technologies
  ]

Then look at 'Developer Tools' .  There VFP is not, suffering from yet
another new crop of marketing folk not putting in VFP under any major
listing.

Sheesh.  Not to complain, ah? It's another *yawn* lack of web-space on the
MS site for Visual FoxPro.

Regards [Bill]
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Re: Ah - the new and improved MS home page

2007-01-10 Thread MB Software Solutions
William Sanders / EFG wrote:
 Yikes - Meester G is on the home page again, with a big blurb about living
 large at the CES.  I swore I would make it to the CES this year, I've been
 avoiding it for the last 25 years now and always swore I would go.

 Anyway -

 There's a list on the far right for all MicroSoft Sites -
 Click the 'Products and Related Technologies' link -
 [which drops me (YMMV) to
 http://www.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/webservice/navigation.asmx/DisplayDownlevelNavHtml?navPath=/global/SiteTemplates/f40749b9-f268-4f37-a980-adc3dc3ac38a.xmlgroupName=Products%20%26%20Related%20Technologies
   ]

 Then look at 'Developer Tools' .  There VFP is not, suffering from yet
 another new crop of marketing folk not putting in VFP under any major
 listing.

 Sheesh.  Not to complain, ah? It's another *yawn* lack of web-space on the
 MS site for Visual FoxPro.

 Regards [Bill]
   
Why not forward this to Miland (the guy who replaced Ken Levy)?  Perhaps 
he can take care of that?

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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

2007-01-10 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 10, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Hal Kaplan wrote:

 As a major consumer of these drugs, I can assure you that it is  
 more guessing than not.  Yes, the guesses can be highly educated  
 but the efficacy of a particular drug can vary considerably from  
 patient to patient regardless of the number of common indications  
 to prescribe the drug that any two patients may have.

I believe that is exactly what I said. My point was also concerned  
somewhat with the lexical mis-use of 'guessing' to imply that the  
choice of medication involves nothing more than a carnival game of  
chance.

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Re: Ah - the new and improved MS home page

2007-01-10 Thread William Sanders / EFG
MB wrote:
==Why not forward this to Miland (the guy who replaced Ken Levy)? Perhaps
he can take care of that?

Ok done.  Let's see where this goes. Hoping for not a 'splat' against the
windshield.

Regards [Bill]
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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

2007-01-10 Thread David Crooks
On Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:34 PM Ed Leafe wrote:

   I believe that is exactly what I said. My point was also
concerned somewhat with the 
lexical mis-use of 'guessing' to imply that the choice of medication
involves nothing more than a carnival game of chance.

That is why they call it practicing medicine.  My favorite saying is
that every body is different.  One pill could never cure everyone.  Each
person has a different chemistry and what works for me might not work
for you. It is a shame that the drug companies have such a hold on this
country.  There are many alternative medicine ways that can help but
people just go to the doc and is quick to hand out the prescription.  I
do remember that a victim of the Columbine High School shootings has
filed a lawsuit against the maker of an antidepressant. Can be pretty
dangerous stuff!

David L. Crooks


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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread vbiersch

not having dsl anymore I'm really noticing it

thought it was because I'm using the treo a lot but apparently that is not it
-Original Message-

From:  MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date:  Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:58 am
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John Weller wrote:
 My email is playing up - I didn't get the initial reference.  I'm getting
 some emails way out of time so I see replies anything up to two days before
 the initial post!

   

Ditto here!

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Re: Ah - the new and improved MS home page

2007-01-10 Thread MB Software Solutions
William Sanders / EFG wrote:
 MB wrote:
 ==Why not forward this to Miland (the guy who replaced Ken Levy)? Perhaps
 he can take care of that?

 Ok done.  Let's see where this goes. Hoping for not a 'splat' against the
 windshield.

 Regards [Bill]
   

Stay on him, Bill!  g

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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

2007-01-10 Thread Pete Theisen
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 12:58, Hal Kaplan wrote:
snip
 P.S.  I also grew my own arterial bypass and my cardiologist said that it
 happens in about 15% of patients who experience reduced clearance.  It's a
 long story but I do not understand how that 15% is determined when most
 people who do it will not be examined for it.

Hi Hal!

Like Charlie and you have said, it is guesswork. I had drops in my eyes a 
couple of hours ago. What I am typing is guesswork. I have this magnifying 
glass here but it isn't that good on the screen.
-- 
Regards,

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[NF] MySQL use of VarChar

2007-01-10 Thread Tracy Pearson
I've just been told the 6.5.3.1 Silent Column Specification Changes has a
bit in it those that use MySQL should be aware of:

If any column in a table has a variable length, the entire row is
variable-length as a result. Therefore, if a table contains any
variable-length columns (VARCHAR, TEXT, or BLOB), all CHAR columns longer
than three characters are changed to VARCHAR columns.


I know, I should confirm this before posting, but I'm not a MySQL user, and
have a deadline to meet, but thought I'd pass it along.

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Re: [NF] MySQL use of VarChar

2007-01-10 Thread MB Software Solutions
Tracy Pearson wrote:
 I've just been told the 6.5.3.1 Silent Column Specification Changes has a
 bit in it those that use MySQL should be aware of:

 If any column in a table has a variable length, the entire row is
 variable-length as a result. Therefore, if a table contains any
 variable-length columns (VARCHAR, TEXT, or BLOB), all CHAR columns longer
 than three characters are changed to VARCHAR columns.


 I know, I should confirm this before posting, but I'm not a MySQL user, and
 have a deadline to meet, but thought I'd pass it along.

   

I've heard Ed or Ted mention this before, too.  Not sure how this might 
adversely affect someone, though?

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Re: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Stanton
 petty # pretty...unfortunately...

It does too often for my liking...

Mark




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Re: [NF] MySQL use of VarChar

2007-01-10 Thread Helio W.
I think MySql handles variable-lenght tables slower so someone could
inadvertently modify a char column size and affect the performance of the
application without need.

On 1/10/07, MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I've heard Ed or Ted mention this before, too.  Not sure how this might
 adversely affect someone, though?

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Re: [NF] MySQL use of VarChar

2007-01-10 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:44 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:

 I've heard Ed or Ted mention this before, too.  Not sure how this  
 might
 adversely affect someone, though?

This has been the case in MySQL since I started using it.

The main effect is that if it won't impact storage too much, use all  
fixed-width columns. For obvious reasons, fixed-length records make  
for faster searches, so don't use variable-length columns unless a)  
the storage benefits are worth it or b) getting every nanosecond of  
search speed isn't mission-critical.

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Re: [NF] MySQL use of VarChar

2007-01-10 Thread MB Software Solutions
Helio W. wrote:
 I think MySql handles variable-lenght tables slower so someone could
 inadvertently modify a char column size and affect the performance of the
 application without need.
   

Ah yes--performance considerations--I was thinking on the function of 
the app.

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RE: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

2007-01-10 Thread Hal Kaplan
= Subject: Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is 
= responsible for?
= 
= On Wednesday 10 January 2007 12:58, Hal Kaplan wrote:
= snip
= 
= Hi Hal!
= 
= Like Charlie and you have said, it is guesswork. I had drops 
= in my eyes a couple of hours ago. What I am typing is 
= guesswork. I have this magnifying glass here but it isn't 
= that good on the screen.
= -- 
= 
= Regards,
= 
= Pete

The drops are working well, Pete.  Not a single typo, even with the $8 Leland 
spell checker g.  What did they give you?  Oxygenated Hydrogen USP?

B+
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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Jerry Wolper
 For your eyes pleasure:

Gracias.

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Re: Attach MySQL files (not from a backup file)

2007-01-10 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:03 PM, Kevin Cully wrote:

 I've got a new client that keeps sending me a copy of their MySQL
 directory from their server instead of a proper backup of the MySQL
 database.

 Are these files of any use to me?  Is there a way to force my MySQL
 installation to recognize these files as belonging to their  
 installation?

 The directory is filled with *.MYD, *.MYI, *.frm files plus a  
 db.opt file.

Those are MyISAM database files. Just put them in the data directory  
of your MySQL installation, and set their permissions to match the  
other data files. It should just work.

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Re: Attach MySQL files (not from a backup file)

2007-01-10 Thread Helio W.
MySQL puts each database under the intallation's data directory, these are
the (myisam tables) data, index and structure files. If you put these files
under a directory with the same name as the database's, your MySql
installation should recognize them... Is it what you asked?


On 1/10/07, Kevin Cully [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've got a new client that keeps sending me a copy of their MySQL
 directory from their server instead of a proper backup of the MySQL
 database.

 Are these files of any use to me?  Is there a way to force my MySQL
 installation to recognize these files as belonging to their installation?

 The directory is filled with *.MYD, *.MYI, *.frm files plus a db.opt file.

 I'm speaking to their network administrator and he doesn't know anything
 about MySQL and he wasn't at a machine to walk him through backing up
 his db.  Frustrating.  I guess they're not backing up their database at
 all, eh?

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Re: Attach MySQL files (not from a backup file)

2007-01-10 Thread Ted Roche
On 1/10/07, Kevin Cully [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've got a new client that keeps sending me a copy of their MySQL
 directory from their server instead of a proper backup of the MySQL
 database.

If they shut down the server and are only using MyISAM engine, that
might be a legitimate backup. But mysqldump or hotcopy is preferred...

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Re: [OT] Dear Mr and Mrs Smith

2007-01-10 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Pete Theisen wrote:
 On Wednesday 10 January 2007 05:42, Bill Arnold wrote:
 Dear Mr and Mrs Smith,

 I'm writing to tell you in advance that if your son 
 
 Hi Bill!
 
 Well, this crosses the line. Not original however. Tokyo Rose had the same 
 idea.
 

Wow Bill! You crossed the line!!! B!



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AOL Security center makes VFP.EXE NOT a VFP .EXE with Konxise

2007-01-10 Thread Fletcher Johnson
Hi all,
 
I ran into a fun experience today.  It seems that People who have the AOL
security center installed are getting error messages along the line of This is
not a valid Visual FoxPro Executable when they try to run any VFP application
on their computer - provided that application has been pre-compiled with Konxise
(by Xitech).
 
They already had to fix one bug that kept Norton from running.  
 
In any case, I thought I would post this in case someone else ran into the same
thing and couldn't figure out why a program that had been running just fine
suddenly won't when nothing on the computer changed (other than getting the
latest security patch from AOL of course.)
 
If I get an answer to the problem, I will post it, should anyone be interested.
 
Take care,
 
Fletcher
 


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[OT] Oliver North Hates America, Too

2007-01-10 Thread Ed Leafe
Add Ollie to the ranks of America-haters. Which, if you have any  
sense at all, is defined as anyone who dares to question anything  
Bush does.

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Editorial/178357/

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Writing in Human Events, right-wing icon Oliver North argues,  
“Sending more U. S. combat troops [to Iraq ] is simply sending more  
targets.” Recently back from Baghdad, North says contrary to Sens.  
John McCain and Holy Joe Lieberman, “[n]ot one of the soldiers,  
sailors, airmen, Guardsmen or Marines I interviewed told me that they  
wanted more U. S. boots on the ground. In fact, nearly all expressed  
just the opposite: ‘We don’t need more American troops, we need more  
Iraqi troops.’”
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

-- Ed Leafe
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-- http://dabodev.com




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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

2007-01-10 Thread Leland Jackson
Hey, give me a break.  I'm just hanging out here for an hour or so 
waiting for the Decider to address the nation on the path forward in hell.

Regards,

LelandJ

Hal Kaplan wrote:

= Subject: Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is 
= responsible for?
= 
= On Wednesday 10 January 2007 12:58, Hal Kaplan wrote:
= snip
= 
= Hi Hal!
= 
= Like Charlie and you have said, it is guesswork. I had drops 
= in my eyes a couple of hours ago. What I am typing is 
= guesswork. I have this magnifying glass here but it isn't 
= that good on the screen.
= -- 
= 
= Regards,
= 
= Pete

The drops are working well, Pete.  Not a single typo, even with the $8 Leland 
spell checker g.  What did they give you?  Oxygenated Hydrogen USP?

B+
HALinNY


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Re: [NF] Apple Computer, Inc., is dead!

2007-01-10 Thread Michael Oke, II
More interesting as to whether or not they'll be able to keep calling it 
the iphone.

--
::michael
--

Ed Leafe wrote:
 On Jan 9, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Justin Darnell wrote:

 Should be interesting to see how Cingular exclusivity hinders adoption
 of that nifty looking iPhone.

   Well, he said they're only shooting for a 1% market penetration by  
 2008, so I don't think it will be too much of a problem.

   What's more interesting is how many people switch to Cingular/ATT  
 just to get the iPhone!

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Re: [OT] Forget the SAT exam.

2007-01-10 Thread Michael Madigan
Did your gay lover Helio tell you that one?



--- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jean Laeremans wrote:
  On 1/10/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  I guess using a fork is out of the question.  I
 wonder
  if they are forced to commit hari kari if they
 fail.
  
  http://www.jref.com/glossary/harakiri.shtml
  
  A+
  jml
  
 
 It is actually Seppuku
 
  
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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:33 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

 And these people don't know where it's from? Barbarians!

 Well, I can't tell you. Ha, ha, ha.

I was just about to say I bet Whil does then I read the next message. 


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Re: [OT] Oliver North Hates America, Too

2007-01-10 Thread Michael Madigan
Oh, you're comparing him to the leftist-scum just
because they agree on one point.  


--- Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Add Ollie to the ranks of America-haters. Which, if
 you have any  
 sense at all, is defined as anyone who dares to
 question anything  
 Bush does.
 
 http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Editorial/178357/
 
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 - - - - - - - - -
 Writing in Human Events, right-wing icon Oliver
 North argues,  
 “Sending more U. S. combat troops [to Iraq ] is
 simply sending more  
 targets.” Recently back from Baghdad, North says
 contrary to Sens.  
 John McCain and Holy Joe Lieberman, “[n]ot one of
 the soldiers,  
 sailors, airmen, Guardsmen or Marines I interviewed
 told me that they  
 wanted more U. S. boots on the ground. In fact,
 nearly all expressed  
 just the opposite: ‘We don’t need more American
 troops, we need more  
 Iraqi troops.’”
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 - - - - - - - - -
 
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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

2007-01-10 Thread Michael Madigan
Let's surrender, instead.



--- Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey, give me a break.  I'm just hanging out here for
 an hour or so 
 waiting for the Decider to address the nation on
 the path forward in hell.
 
 Regards,
 
 LelandJ
 
 Hal Kaplan wrote:
 
 = Subject: Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides
 Kristyne is 
 = responsible for?
 = 
 = On Wednesday 10 January 2007 12:58, Hal Kaplan
 wrote:
 = snip
 = 
 = Hi Hal!
 = 
 = Like Charlie and you have said, it is guesswork.
 I had drops 
 = in my eyes a couple of hours ago. What I am
 typing is 
 = guesswork. I have this magnifying glass here but
 it isn't 
 = that good on the screen.
 = -- 
 = 
 = Regards,
 = 
 = Pete
 
 The drops are working well, Pete.  Not a single
 typo, even with the $8 Leland spell checker g. 
 What did they give you?  Oxygenated Hydrogen USP?
 
 B+
 HALinNY
 
 
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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:

 Au contraire.

 And _I_ can tread water for a loong time. s

Riiight!? Who is this really?




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Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides Kristyne is responsible for?

2007-01-10 Thread Leland Jackson
As the Bush Administration has repeatedly reminded said  Do you know 
what losing in Iraq would mean?  It would mean disgrace to my 
Presidency, investigation into how the war started, audits as to what 
happened to all the billions that we sank into dry holes in our attempt 
to capture all that oil.  It could mean personal bankruptcy for me, 
shame, prison.  No, I will not lose in Iraq, period. g

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:

Let's surrender, instead.



--- Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Hey, give me a break.  I'm just hanging out here for
an hour or so 
waiting for the Decider to address the nation on
the path forward in hell.

Regards,

LelandJ

Hal Kaplan wrote:



= Subject: Re: [OT] I wonder how many suicides
  

Kristyne is 


= responsible for?
= 
= On Wednesday 10 January 2007 12:58, Hal Kaplan
  

wrote:


= snip
= 
= Hi Hal!
= 
= Like Charlie and you have said, it is guesswork.
  

I had drops 


= in my eyes a couple of hours ago. What I am
  

typing is 


= guesswork. I have this magnifying glass here but
  

it isn't 


= that good on the screen.
= -- 
= 
= Regards,
= 
= Pete

The drops are working well, Pete.  Not a single
  

typo, even with the $8 Leland spell checker g. 
What did they give you?  Oxygenated Hydrogen USP?


B+
HALinNY


  

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