[NF] Firefox tip to see Download Actions

2007-02-05 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
 From the FC mailing list:

If you go into about:config you will see that the configuration:
browser.download.hide_plugins_without_extensions is set as true by
default. Go to Edit | Preferences | Downloads | View & Edit Actions. 
You'll see a blank list. Boring.

Set it to false, then go to the same dialog. You can now see what you 
want to see in the: Edit->Preferences->downloads->view & Edit Actions.

Whil


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[NF] HOWTO: Revised... Dual boot with Fedora Core 6 and Windows XP

2007-02-05 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
I've updated the Dual Boot HOWTO with new info about the 'tupid Program 
Recovery Disk that I wrestled with today.

Works fine now.

Shiny.

http://www.hentzenwerke.com/wp/dualboot_fc6xp.htm

Tell all of your friends.

Whil



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[OT] Astronaut charged with kidnap attempt

2007-02-05 Thread Michael Madigan
NASA's finest.

White trash in space!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/ap_on_re_us/astronaut_arrested

Saddam - Hung for the Holidays
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike


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Re: [NF] Emergency disks and reinstalls...

2007-02-05 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Grub writes the location of the grub.conf file to the Master Book Record 
(eg A special 512K part of a hard drive) of the hard drive.  When the 
hard drive is booted the grub.conf file is retrieved and presented as a 
menu as to which OS or Linux kernel should be booted.  You can clear the 
master boot record, (eg MBR), from you dos disk with the following command"

fdisk MBR

Evidentially the XP emergency repair disk did not rewrite the MBR when 
you restored XP.

Regards,

LelandJ

mrgmhale wrote:
> Drag re: broken finger.  Heal quick, and heal properly.  We don't need you
> hanging around with a bent finger!
>
> Gil
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
>> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 3:56 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [NF] Emergency disks and reinstalls...
>>
>>
>> Ted Roche wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2/5/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>   
 Evidently something didn't 'take', but instead of spending the rest of
 the day goofing around with it, I thought I'd ask first...

 
>>> Ask what?
>>>   
>> WHY IS IT SO DAMN COLD AROUND HERE? I want to go out for a bike ride but
>> my faux-reynaud's makes it impossible to do so until the merc hits 60.
>>
>> 
 (Typing with nine fingers... the doc put me in a splint to see if my
 broken finger will repair itself. Hmmmph.)
 
>>> At your age? Amazing it didn't break off and fall to dust like
>>>   
>> in The Mummy.
>>
>> I bow to superior experience and vintage. Far superior.
>>
>> 
 Then I set this up with a copy of XP that I want to put on another
 machine. So I dug out the rescue disks for this Thinkpad, run the
 installer for the rescue disks, and I expect it to do what it says it's
 going to do - (1) format the hard disk, (2) install the rescue routines
 in a hidden partition, and (3) install XP from the rescue partition.
 
>>> So what you want to do is blow away everything you've set up? Why?
>>>   
>> Just to see if I can. This is the fourth box on my desk right now. I can
>> afford to experiment and (gasp) mebbe learn something.
>>
>> Or maybe not. That's entirely possibl^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hprobable.
>>
>> 
>>> I'd boot up with a knoppix disk, run QTParted and remove all the
>>> partitions. Then try the rescue disks again.
>>>   
>> Yeah, that looks like the best bet. I was just kinda hoping for the
>> magic "Hold the Shift key down while hopping on one foot and a 'move the
>> rescue partition' menu will appear" hint. Evidently these twisty
>> passages ARE all alike.
>>
>> 
 Note that this Thinkpad came with XP, but I blew it away and formatted
 the entire disk.
 
>>> Well, there's your first mistake. My advice on your next TP: shrink
>>> the partition to a more reasonable size, make a copy of it with
>>> partimage (as a backup) and then install FC6. No need to blow away the
>>> XP partition, and that way you retain any special drivers that came
>>> with the machine.
>>>   
>> Yeah, but back then I was young and foolish. Actually, it was one of
>> those 'burn the bridges' things... Think back to what 'burn your
>> bridges' originally meant.
>>
>> 
 Everything 'appears' to work, but upon startup, nothing has changed. My
 grub menu with FC and the old install of XP are still there, and
 pressing F11 to use the recovery files doesn't work. The machine beeps
 until I let go, then my grub menu displays.
 
>>> Weird. I'd guess the recovery software is looking for a default
>>> partition table and when it doesn't find one it bails, but doesn't
>>> bother to tell you.
>>>   
>> Yeah, I concur. Oh well, more fodder for articles I'll never write.
>>
>> Where IS that Knoppix disk
>>
>> Oh, right here on my forehead, where I left it.
>>
>> Whil
>>
>>
>> 
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RE: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Pablo H Rivera Sr

Someone is reprogramming the matrix! ;) 

PabloSr
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*  -Original Message-
*  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chet Gardiner
*  Subject: Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade
*  
*  Which version?
*  
*  http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/915.html
*  
*  mrgmhale wrote:
*  
*  >>Too many choices! Stop! Make them stop! Just tell me what to do. I 
*  >>don't want to have to decide!!
*  >>
*  >
*  >Use Windows Vista in a new PC.  No Brainer ...
*  >
*  >Gil



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RE: [OT] Scientist dislikes Bush AND thinks Global Warming is a lowpriority

2007-02-05 Thread Stephen the Cook
Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> This is a fascinating lecture to send to your global-warming nut
> friends.  He seems to dislike Bush AND believes that global warming
> is a low priority.  
> 
> 
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dtbn9zBfJSs
> 

Great short lecture.  Money is the root of all evil/good.  


Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer

Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159

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can do them absolutely no good." ---Unknown

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Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Chet Gardiner
Which version?

http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/915.html

mrgmhale wrote:

>>Too many choices! Stop! Make them stop! Just tell me what to do. I don't
>>want to have to decide!!
>>
>>
>>
>
>Use Windows Vista in a new PC.  No Brainer ...
>
>Gil
>
>  
>


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Re: [NF] Charlie Brooker doesn't like Macs.

2007-02-05 Thread Chet Gardiner
Working out the bugs?  That's not m$'s job.  That's OUR job...

We're the Alpha testers...

Ted Roche wrote:

>On 2/5/07, Brian Abbott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Been running Vista (dual-boot with XP) for the last week.  So far, 2 x
>>BSOD and 2 lockups that required hard reset.  Roll on SP1 ;-)
>>
>>
>
>Ow. I'd expect Vista to be more solid, since XP (for me) was pretty
>BSOD-free. Guess five years wasn't enough time to work out the bugs!
>
>  
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Wrong TEMP variable with FPW 2.6 and WinXP Update

2007-02-05 Thread Jörg Arand

> Hi,
> 
> I have a problem with FPW 2.6 and WinXP.
> In most cases the call  getenv("TEMP") returns correctly the user temp
> variable.
> 
> On some computers instead of  the user temp I get the system temp
> (%Systemroot%\temp)
> 
> The problem occurs only when in registry under 
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Environment
> Temp is set to %Userprofile%\Lokale Einstellungen\Temp
> 
> If the path is hardcodet (such as c:\temp ) no problem!
> 
> Any idea?
> Is there a workaround without hardcoding?
> 
> Joerg Arand MD
> assistant medical director
> Neonatology
> Children's Hospital
> University Tübingen
> Calwer Str. 7
> D-72076 Tübingen
> Tel.+49-(0)7071-2982211 
> Tel.+49-(0)7071-2980895 (office) 
> E-mail:Joerg.Arand(AT)med.uni-tuebingen.de
> 
> 
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RE: [NF] A major step in the right direction - ebooks

2007-02-05 Thread Hal Kaplan
=> Subject: [NF] A major step in the right direction - ebooks
=> 
=> A major problem with ebooks is the reader. Either you have 
=> to read it on your pc/laptop/tablet (which is awful as a 
=> long-term reading device), or you need a specialized device 
=> that costs hundreds of dollars and still doesn't work well.
=> 
=> What we need is a device whose form factor is similar to 
=> that of a Danielle Steel novel, but with all the advantages 
=> of an ebook reader - many books stored, bookmarking, etc.
=> 
=> Oh, and if you could call your friends and take pictures, 
=> that'd be great too.
=> 
=> http://www.teleread.org/blog/?p=6153
=> 
=> We _are_ getting close, folks.
=> 
=> Whil
=> 

I understood most of this except for the part about reading.  What is that?  
Reading?  Sounds familiar but if it involves using your eyes and the image does 
not change at least every 1.7 seconds, it is boring.

How about we take the books (that's what people used to read) and convert them 
to action scenes that we can play back and listen to people talking?  All those 
little marks (punk-chew-a-shun) make reading extremely difficult.  I could go 
on about that but why?

B+
HALinNY


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Re: [NF] A major step in the right direction - ebooks

2007-02-05 Thread Derek Kalweit
> Oh, and if you could call your friends and take pictures, that'd be
> great too.
>
> http://www.teleread.org/blog/?p=6153
>
> We _are_ getting close, folks.

The physical design looks just like the "Global"'s from Gene
Rodenberry's "Earth: Final Conflict" that was syndicated on TV a few
years back... Of course those globals did far more, and they were
back-lit so they could be used in the dark.

They were single personal devices(PDA/phones) that acted as a video
cell phone, camera, PDA, etc.-- one of the favorite uses that I'd
really like to see, was the ability to 'scan' something, such as text,
to input into the PDA-- right now, cell phone cams don't give you
enough resolution to record typed text, even if you wanted to read it.


-- 
Derek


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RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread mrgmhale
When I lived in San Bernardino (north end, of course) I used to run 10k in
Loma Linda, part of the "Loma Linda Lopers" running club.  Awesome running
through the orange grove lined streets (likely all gone now, that was back
in 1982 - 1986 when I was running).  What part of SoCal are you in?  I still
have the house in San Bden, renting it out.  Bought it in 1979.  You do the
math$$ ...

Gil

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lou Syracuse
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:14 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?
>
>
> My wife and I ran our first 5K yesterday at 7:30AM, in shorts and
> T-shirts.
> We didn't do too bad for a first run.  Next one is in 6 weeks - looking to
> knock 5 minutes off our time. :)
>
> I LOVE being in Southern California.  :)
>
> LS
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mrgmhale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Coldest I have been as an adult was Eau Claire, WI.  Two winters
> in a row it
> hit -45F, and when wind chill was added in it was like -65F.
> Very dangerous
> to go out without adequate protection for ALL skin surfaces.
> ..
>
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin O'Shea
> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:47 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?
> >
> >
> > Milwaukee sounds like a warmer climate - here in Ottawa it was -39
> > this morning with the wind chill. The kids went off to school as usual.
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Re: Buffer overrins & stuff

2007-02-05 Thread Derek Kalweit
>No, it isn't a native VFP error. VFP is written in MS c++ so the
> undelying libraries have MS c++ error messages. When a pointer
> references a memory location outside of the space allocated for vfp, c++
> generates this error. It's a boiler plate message; it never changes and
> it never gives any additional information.

Yes-- I'm primarily making sure it's created by the VFP process and
not something you're observing through a c++ debugger you've attached
to the process or anything.


>No flls or api calls in the app.

You are using API calls in Ed's setmemory.prg. What O/S are you
running under? interpretted and/or compiled?

Have you commented Ed's setmemory.prg to see if that's causing the
issue? I'm curious, considering you're bringing it up-- unless it's
the cause, it shouldn't matter-- a buffer over-run is an error in code
and shouldn't be related to available memory whatsoever.

Have you been able to narrow it down to any part of your code? I've
had many VFP functions with known buffer overrun problems, such as
TEXTMERGE() in VFP7. There was a work-around then that you can pass
the string with a chr(0) at the end(effectively zero-terminating the
c++ buffer properly). I wrote simple Z() and NZ() functions for this
purpose-- adding and removing the trailing nulls..


-- 
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RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread Lou Syracuse
My wife and I ran our first 5K yesterday at 7:30AM, in shorts and T-shirts.
We didn't do too bad for a first run.  Next one is in 6 weeks - looking to
knock 5 minutes off our time. :)

I LOVE being in Southern California.  :)

LS




-Original Message-
From: mrgmhale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Coldest I have been as an adult was Eau Claire, WI.  Two winters in a row it
hit -45F, and when wind chill was added in it was like -65F.  Very dangerous
to go out without adequate protection for ALL skin surfaces.  
..

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> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?
>
>
> Milwaukee sounds like a warmer climate - here in Ottawa it was -39 
> this morning with the wind chill. The kids went off to school as usual.
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RE: [NF] Emergency disks and reinstalls...

2007-02-05 Thread mrgmhale
Drag re: broken finger.  Heal quick, and heal properly.  We don't need you
hanging around with a bent finger!

Gil

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 3:56 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] Emergency disks and reinstalls...
>
>
> Ted Roche wrote:
> > On 2/5/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Evidently something didn't 'take', but instead of spending the rest of
> >> the day goofing around with it, I thought I'd ask first...
> >>
> > Ask what?
>
> WHY IS IT SO DAMN COLD AROUND HERE? I want to go out for a bike ride but
> my faux-reynaud's makes it impossible to do so until the merc hits 60.
>
> >> (Typing with nine fingers... the doc put me in a splint to see if my
> >> broken finger will repair itself. Hmmmph.)
> >
> > At your age? Amazing it didn't break off and fall to dust like
> in The Mummy.
>
> I bow to superior experience and vintage. Far superior.
>
> >> Then I set this up with a copy of XP that I want to put on another
> >> machine. So I dug out the rescue disks for this Thinkpad, run the
> >> installer for the rescue disks, and I expect it to do what it says it's
> >> going to do - (1) format the hard disk, (2) install the rescue routines
> >> in a hidden partition, and (3) install XP from the rescue partition.
> >
> > So what you want to do is blow away everything you've set up? Why?
>
> Just to see if I can. This is the fourth box on my desk right now. I can
> afford to experiment and (gasp) mebbe learn something.
>
> Or maybe not. That's entirely possibl^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hprobable.
>
> > I'd boot up with a knoppix disk, run QTParted and remove all the
> > partitions. Then try the rescue disks again.
>
> Yeah, that looks like the best bet. I was just kinda hoping for the
> magic "Hold the Shift key down while hopping on one foot and a 'move the
> rescue partition' menu will appear" hint. Evidently these twisty
> passages ARE all alike.
>
> >> Note that this Thinkpad came with XP, but I blew it away and formatted
> >> the entire disk.
> >
> > Well, there's your first mistake. My advice on your next TP: shrink
> > the partition to a more reasonable size, make a copy of it with
> > partimage (as a backup) and then install FC6. No need to blow away the
> > XP partition, and that way you retain any special drivers that came
> > with the machine.
>
> Yeah, but back then I was young and foolish. Actually, it was one of
> those 'burn the bridges' things... Think back to what 'burn your
> bridges' originally meant.
>
> >> Everything 'appears' to work, but upon startup, nothing has changed. My
> >> grub menu with FC and the old install of XP are still there, and
> >> pressing F11 to use the recovery files doesn't work. The machine beeps
> >> until I let go, then my grub menu displays.
> >
> > Weird. I'd guess the recovery software is looking for a default
> > partition table and when it doesn't find one it bails, but doesn't
> > bother to tell you.
>
> Yeah, I concur. Oh well, more fodder for articles I'll never write.
>
> Where IS that Knoppix disk
>
> Oh, right here on my forehead, where I left it.
>
> Whil
>
>
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[NF] A major step in the right direction - ebooks

2007-02-05 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
A major problem with ebooks is the reader. Either you have to read it on 
your pc/laptop/tablet (which is awful as a long-term reading device), or 
you need a specialized device that costs hundreds of dollars and still 
doesn't work well.

What we need is a device whose form factor is similar to that of a 
Danielle Steel novel, but with all the advantages of an ebook reader - 
many books stored, bookmarking, etc.

Oh, and if you could call your friends and take pictures, that'd be 
great too.

http://www.teleread.org/blog/?p=6153

We _are_ getting close, folks.

Whil


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RE: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Rick Schummer
>>Please don't speak for me.I don't want to be down to one. That would be a 
>>monopoly and a
monotony.<<

I was not speaking *for* you Ted.

You stated in a previous post that you have a Linux box (for most software) and 
a Windows box (for
Fox and Quickbooks), as did Whil, to run your business. I was using your 
example. Am I remembering
wrong? 

Interesting, when I look up "monopoly" on Dictionary.com, I see your picture in 
the definition .
It has been 20-something years since I got my minor in Econ, but I doubt the 
definition of monopoly
really applies to the "other computer guy" in Contoocook, NH. 

>>That's a false assertion. "Most" businesses have several OSes running in 
>>house. Many businesses
are supporting Windows 2000 and XP and 2003 and PocketPC (every one's 
different!) and Blackberries
and incompatible laptops from a couple manufacturers. "Some" run OS X and 
Linux, too.<<

My assertion is not false. Your example is way different than mine. My 
assertion is most normal
businesses are not going to put 2 machines on every employees desk in their 
business so they can do
their jobs. Yes there are exceptions like meteorologist at NOAA (each has three 
if I recall
correctly). It has nothing to do with scenarios like Windows desktops and Linux 
servers (or
vice-versa) performing different functions in the business environment. You 
have two desktops just
to run your business (and several others for supporting clients, which is very 
normal in our
business). I have one laptop to develop, keep my books, correspond with clients 
and associates, do
research on the Web, watch movies to relax, and everything else. I have several 
other machines to
support my clients, but my business is run on one machine, and one OS, and this 
is the norm for
general business.

>>This really isn't the case. Very, very few apps run differently on one than 
>>another. Apps written
to use the KDE environment run on a GNOME desktop and vice versa. Who's feeding 
you this FUD?<<

People I know who work with Linux every day. I am sure if you are just using 
office apps and
browsing the web the compatibility is there. But I have friends who have 
scientific type apps
running and they need specific configs (hardware and software). I don't 
consider it FUD, I consider
it fact and experience. I have other friends who have a different line of 
business and they would
never think of mixing different distros into their environment because they 
work differently.

So I can listen to you and them and know my experience could be one or the 
other or both. I doubt
any are spreading FUD.

>>You've never had a client delete all the .SCT files because those were 
>>virus-carrying VB Script
scrap files, eh? All of my clients get FoxPro source, but run EXEs. Why would 
you think this would
be different in Linux?<<

Actually I only had the SCT-deleting script file run by an employee hours after 
we told him not to.
Never with a client. With the SCTs or even deleting the EXE the users are 
destroying something where
I can send them a new copy. If they change the OS under the hood (whether it is 
an in-house IT
department or hired out) I don't get to fix this. I think there is a big 
difference. Same case
exists in Windows with errant drivers being loaded. Again, I am not picking on 
Windows or Linux. 

Reminder to self: my point is confusion in the marketplace. This is not a 
technical issue, it is a
business issue.


>>If you don't think that *BILLIONS* of dollars will be wasted rolling out 
>>Vista to customers who
have absolutely no need for 99% of the features, you're not living in the same 
world I am. <<

Don't worry Ted, we live in the same world. I have already stated Vista is 
going to be a pain in the
support neck too. I have also stated that Windows and the different platforms 
create headaches. I am
not bashing Linux. 



Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

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www.rickschummer.com
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[NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Rick Schummer
>>And since MS isn't going to be selling or supporting their legacy OSes any 
>>more, how are they
going to do that?<<

I warned you not to get me started on this. 

We discussed this very issue after the DAFUG meeting a couple of months ago. I 
am not a fan of
legislating every darn thing in our lives, but I am leaning more towards this 
one getting the
governments involved. It is my believe that all operating systems are mission 
critical to almost
every human being in some fashion, and like cars should be subject to recalls. 

There are laws to force auto manufacturers to supply car parts for a long time 
(I am not exactly
sure of the length of time). There are laws regulating cars that have safety or 
engineering defects
get recalled and fixed for free (consumers do not have to pay for the fix other 
than the loss of
their car while the dealer makes the correction).

I think the same type of rules can be applied to *all* operating systems. The 
operating system has
bugs (engineering defects) that affect the safety of the users losing data and 
work product. The
operating system obviously needs security patches (parts). I think the 
correlation between the two
means companies like Microsoft, Apple, the Linux Open Source groups, IBM, DEC, 
etc. have a
responsibility to their customers to support the operating systems we count on.

So the argument made against this was simple: other members asked me if I was 
going to support my
software forever and fix bugs and make patches available. Strange, I already do.

I also understand the realities of perpetual fixes and terms like "support 
forever and ever" not
being a good thing for all businesses. The reality of this can also be equated 
to the auto industry.
If I have a 84 Chevy I can still get parts and can still find someone to fix my 
car. I can't really
count on a recall to get something fixed, but I can hire a mechanic to do so 
for me out of my own
pocket. I think there is some realistic time lines that can be applied to 
operating systems. I just
think 10 years is too short for security fixes.

But I am not a person who is even remotely inclined to run for legislative 
office, and I am not
qualified to begin to understand all the ramifications involved with an idea 
like this one. But that
has not stopped hundreds of others from doing so in Washington and the 50 
states here in the USA and
in governments around the world.


Rick
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Re: [NF] Emergency disks and reinstalls...

2007-02-05 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Ted Roche wrote:
> On 2/5/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Evidently something didn't 'take', but instead of spending the rest of
>> the day goofing around with it, I thought I'd ask first...
>>
> Ask what?

WHY IS IT SO DAMN COLD AROUND HERE? I want to go out for a bike ride but 
my faux-reynaud's makes it impossible to do so until the merc hits 60.

>> (Typing with nine fingers... the doc put me in a splint to see if my
>> broken finger will repair itself. Hmmmph.)
> 
> At your age? Amazing it didn't break off and fall to dust like in The Mummy.

I bow to superior experience and vintage. Far superior.

>> Then I set this up with a copy of XP that I want to put on another
>> machine. So I dug out the rescue disks for this Thinkpad, run the
>> installer for the rescue disks, and I expect it to do what it says it's
>> going to do - (1) format the hard disk, (2) install the rescue routines
>> in a hidden partition, and (3) install XP from the rescue partition.
> 
> So what you want to do is blow away everything you've set up? Why?

Just to see if I can. This is the fourth box on my desk right now. I can 
afford to experiment and (gasp) mebbe learn something.

Or maybe not. That's entirely possibl^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hprobable.

> I'd boot up with a knoppix disk, run QTParted and remove all the
> partitions. Then try the rescue disks again.

Yeah, that looks like the best bet. I was just kinda hoping for the 
magic "Hold the Shift key down while hopping on one foot and a 'move the 
rescue partition' menu will appear" hint. Evidently these twisty 
passages ARE all alike.

>> Note that this Thinkpad came with XP, but I blew it away and formatted
>> the entire disk.
> 
> Well, there's your first mistake. My advice on your next TP: shrink
> the partition to a more reasonable size, make a copy of it with
> partimage (as a backup) and then install FC6. No need to blow away the
> XP partition, and that way you retain any special drivers that came
> with the machine.

Yeah, but back then I was young and foolish. Actually, it was one of 
those 'burn the bridges' things... Think back to what 'burn your 
bridges' originally meant.

>> Everything 'appears' to work, but upon startup, nothing has changed. My
>> grub menu with FC and the old install of XP are still there, and
>> pressing F11 to use the recovery files doesn't work. The machine beeps
>> until I let go, then my grub menu displays.
> 
> Weird. I'd guess the recovery software is looking for a default
> partition table and when it doesn't find one it bails, but doesn't
> bother to tell you.

Yeah, I concur. Oh well, more fodder for articles I'll never write.

Where IS that Knoppix disk

Oh, right here on my forehead, where I left it.

Whil


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RE: Buffer overrins & stuff

2007-02-05 Thread Lew Schwartz
No, it isn't a native VFP error. VFP is written in MS c++ so the
undelying libraries have MS c++ error messages. When a pointer
references a memory location outside of the space allocated for vfp, c++
generates this error. It's a boiler plate message; it never changes and
it never gives any additional information.
No flls or api calls in the app. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Derek Kalweit
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 3:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Buffer overrins & stuff

> I guess, unfortunately, just stuff. It doesn't seem to happen at any 
> particular time, it just happens whenever. (The actual message you see

> come from the c++ library: "Buffer overrun detected."

When you say it comes from the c++ library, what exactly does that mean?
It is still the VFP process erroring and reporting the error, correct?
Just not a native VFP error?

Are you doing anything with FLL's? Any win32 calls other than Ed's
setmemory.prg? Do you still receive errors if you do NOT use
setmemory.prg? What O/S? Does this happen during interpretted and/or
compiled(in VFP vs. exe)?


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Re: [NF] Emergency disks and reinstalls...

2007-02-05 Thread Ted Roche
On 2/5/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Evidently something didn't 'take', but instead of spending the rest of
> the day goofing around with it, I thought I'd ask first...
>

Ask what?

> (Typing with nine fingers... the doc put me in a splint to see if my
> broken finger will repair itself. Hmmmph.)

At your age? Amazing it didn't break off and fall to dust like in The Mummy.

> Then I set this up with a copy of XP that I want to put on another
> machine. So I dug out the rescue disks for this Thinkpad, run the
> installer for the rescue disks, and I expect it to do what it says it's
> going to do - (1) format the hard disk, (2) install the rescue routines
> in a hidden partition, and (3) install XP from the rescue partition.

So what you want to do is blow away everything you've set up? Why?

I'd boot up with a knoppix disk, run QTParted and remove all the
partitions. Then try the rescue disks again.

> Note that this Thinkpad came with XP, but I blew it away and formatted
> the entire disk.

Well, there's your first mistake. My advice on your next TP: shrink
the partition to a more reasonable size, make a copy of it with
partimage (as a backup) and then install FC6. No need to blow away the
XP partition, and that way you retain any special drivers that came
with the machine.

> Everything 'appears' to work, but upon startup, nothing has changed. My
> grub menu with FC and the old install of XP are still there, and
> pressing F11 to use the recovery files doesn't work. The machine beeps
> until I let go, then my grub menu displays.

Weird. I'd guess the recovery software is looking for a default
partition table and when it doesn't find one it bails, but doesn't
bother to tell you.


-- 
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Re: Buffer overrins & stuff

2007-02-05 Thread Derek Kalweit
> I guess, unfortunately, just stuff. It doesn't seem to happen at any
> particular time, it just happens whenever. (The actual message you see
> come from the c++ library: "Buffer overrun detected."

When you say it comes from the c++ library, what exactly does that
mean? It is still the VFP process erroring and reporting the error,
correct? Just not a native VFP error?

Are you doing anything with FLL's? Any win32 calls other than Ed's
setmemory.prg? Do you still receive errors if you do NOT use
setmemory.prg? What O/S? Does this happen during interpretted and/or
compiled(in VFP vs. exe)?


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RE: [NF] Emergency disks and reinstalls...

2007-02-05 Thread David Crooks
On Monday, February 05, 2007 2:46 PM Whil Hentzen wrote:

>(Typing with nine fingers... the doc put me in a splint to see if my
broken finger will repair 
>itself. Hmmmph.)

As long as it wasn't the middle one you should be fine.  Also,
considering you have 2 thumbs then you are down to seven fingers. :-)


Sorry I could not be of any help about the XP/FC dual boot!

David L. Crooks


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[NF] Emergency disks and reinstalls...

2007-02-05 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
(Typing with nine fingers... the doc put me in a splint to see if my 
broken finger will repair itself. Hmmmph.)

So I've got this Thinkpad that I've set up with dual boot. XP and FC6. 
Works like a charm. The trick is to install XP first, resize the 
partitions so you've got extra, unused room, and then put FC in that 
unused space. FC is smart enough to adjust the boot loader 
appropriately, so that grub comes up with the choice of XP in the menu. 
Pretty darn neat.

Note that this Thinkpad came with XP, but I blew it away and formatted 
the entire disk.

Then I set this up with a copy of XP that I want to put on another 
machine. So I dug out the rescue disks for this Thinkpad, run the 
installer for the rescue disks, and I expect it to do what it says it's 
going to do - (1) format the hard disk, (2) install the rescue routines 
in a hidden partition, and (3) install XP from the rescue partition.

Everything 'appears' to work, but upon startup, nothing has changed. My 
grub menu with FC and the old install of XP are still there, and 
pressing F11 to use the recovery files doesn't work. The machine beeps 
until I let go, then my grub menu displays.

Evidently something didn't 'take', but instead of spending the rest of 
the day goofing around with it, I thought I'd ask first...

Whil


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[NF] REALbasic IDE Walkthrough Screencast

2007-02-05 Thread Kevin Cully
I've been threatening to do this for a while now, and here it is.  Two
screencasts in regards to REALbasic.  I apologize for the rough edges.

http://cully.biz/REALbasic/videos/realbasic_ide1.html
http://cully.biz/REALbasic/videos/realbasic_ide2.html

or if you want to download them:
http://cully.biz/REALbasic/videos/realbasic_ide1.zip
http://cully.biz/REALbasic/videos/realbasic_ide2.zip

I really like REALbasic.  I have found the transition from VFP to RB,
very easy.  If you feel more comfortable with a commercial development
tool, that can create applications on Windows & Linux & the Mac,
REALbasic is definitely worth a look.

-Kevin



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RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread mrgmhale
Coldest I have been as an adult was Eau Claire, WI.  Two winters in a row it
hit -45F, and when wind chill was added in it was like -65F.  Very dangerous
to go out without adequate protection for ALL skin surfaces.  Lots of folks
were treated for flash frostbite, including eyes.  At those temps,
especially with wind chill impact, it only takes a moment to get a flash
frostbite.  I also had to use an engine block heater to keep my car engine
relatively warm enough to crank over and start.  At the office we had
hitching posts with electrical outlets for the heaters.

And, as mentioned earlier (back on track), at those temps the Cold Cranking
Reserve capacity of a car battery was heavily impacted.  Only the largest
and freshest of batteries would crank an engine over and start a car up.  I
always got a new battery before winter hit, just to make certain I would not
be stranded - hopefully.  Even at that when the battery was -45F (engine was
warmer, but not the battery itself) the engine cranked over very slowly.  I
do not recall how low a temp the battery electrolyte would freeze at, but
with a charged battery with lots of sulfuric acid solution it was not a
problem at -45F.  A partially discharged battery would have a weaker acid
solution, and could freeze, spilling acid all over the engine compartment
(or trunk for some cars).

Glad to be in +5F (current temp out here), it is kinda warm outside ...


Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin O'Shea
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?
>
>
> Milwaukee sounds like a warmer climate - here in Ottawa it was -39 this
> morning with the wind chill. The kids went off to school as usual.
>
> Kevin O'Shea
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of John Weller
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:53 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?
>
> > Solution:
> > Move to a warmer climate!
>
> Like UK?
>
> John Weller
>
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Ted Roche
On 2/5/07, Rick Schummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Not that choosing a car is anything like choosing an
> operating system, but I am sure you recognize the similarities of the 
> situation.

All the cars run the same gasoline. All the Linuxes run the same
kernel. Most cars have a similar UI: dashboard, steering wheel, etc.
All the same software runs on all of the Linux distros, and much of it
runs on Windows and OSX, too. It's a choice of what kind of trim you
like, what your brand affiliation is, and which dealer has the best
service.

> Users should not have to hunt down the an OS from literally dozens of choices.

"Drivers should not have to pick from literally dozens of car brands."

> Most are not qualified to make this choice.

Most are not qualified to make the choice of cars. They refer to
experts, reviews, Consumer Reports, what their friends recommend.

> It costs money and is simply a mine field waiting for you to make the
> wrong choice.

Welcome to the free market.

> The issue is compatibility. I need software to run my business. Lets look at 
> your case
> and Ted's case as it has been documented on this list. You literally need two 
> operating systems and
> two machines to run your businesses. In my opinion, that is nuts. I know 
> *why* you are doing it, and
> I know you would like to be down to one.

Please don't speak for me.I don't want to be down to one. That would
be a monopoly and a monotony.

I have nine machines running in the office. I support clients running
WIndows 2000, XP, 2003, Ubuntu, CentOS, OS X, Fedora and RedHat.
Diversity is *NOT* a bad thing. I drive a Subaru. She drives a Toyota.
The kid has a Nissan. We can all still get along.

> But most (95% is a safe guess)
> businesses are not going to do this for all their employees. Not cost 
> effective.

That's a false assertion. "Most" businesses have several OSes running
in house. Many businesses are supporting Windows 2000 and XP and 2003
and PocketPC (every one's different!) and Blackberries and
incompatible laptops from a couple manufacturers. "Some" run OS X and
Linux, too.

> So now the company firmly chooses Linux over the Windows platform.

Few do this. Most choose to recognize there is a benefit in running a
heterogenous environment. That doesn't mean some extreme
anyone-can-do-anything situation, but a more realistic view that
different people can run the OS they prefer and the apps they prefer
without bringing the enterprise crashing down.

> I can ask a dozen different consultants and get 20 different answers. 
> Software package A runs great
> on Fedora and not on others. Package B needs Ubuntu or any other distro, but 
> is not supported by
> Fedora.

This really isn't the case. Very, very few apps run differently on one
than another. Apps written to use the KDE environment run on a GNOME
desktop and vice versa. Who's feeding you this FUD?

Some (very few) vendors specify platforms on which they will support
their apps. Many standardize on RedHat or SuSE. One on Unbreakable
Linux (ha!). A skilled technician should be able to support a
customer's need to run any app on whichever OS they need. Same could
be said for an MCSE and Windows.

> Worse yet, I try to deploy my Linux solution at a large company and I find 
> out because the
> source is open and their IT department decided to "tweak" it, my app is 
> broken. Slim possibility,
> but it can happen.

You've never had a client delete all the .SCT files because those were
virus-carrying VB Script scrap files, eh? All of my clients get FoxPro
source, but run EXEs. Why would you think this would be different in
Linux?

> Billions of dollars will be wasted.

So, in other words, nothing changes.

If you don't think that *BILLIONS* of dollars will be wasted rolling
out Vista to customers who have absolutely no need for 99% of the
features, you're not living in the same world I am.

> This is why I predict we will literally see a freeze in the marketplace.

Yeah, Whil says it's pretty cold on his side of Lake Michigan...

> IT departments will choose to stay exactly where they are.

And since MS isn't going to be selling or supporting their legacy OSes
any more, how are they going to do that?

> Bad because it will stifle innovation in their business, and is a short term 
> fix to a
> long term problem because hardware will breakdown and OS patches will be cut 
> off at some point
> (another problem I think is out of control). Worse yet, vertical market 
> product creators have to
> start to decide who they will abandon and this is just not good for any 
> business who counts on their
> software.

Sounds like SNAFU to me.

So, while your "IT" is freezing on what they have, what happens with
the smart little companies that are pushing ahead with innovative
Ruby-on-Rails, LAMP-based, SOA, buzzterm-of-the-day applications that
eat your customer's lunches?

> I prefer a solid standard I can recommend to my clients so everyone wins.

Sounds like you ought to become 

RE: Buffer overrins & stuff

2007-02-05 Thread Lew Schwartz
I guess, unfortunately, just stuff. It doesn't seem to happen at any
particular time, it just happens whenever. (The actual message you see
come from the c++ library: "Buffer overrun detected." 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Derek Kalweit
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Buffer overrins & stuff

> Still having this problem. I'm using Ed's setmemory utility, but 
> nothing seems to help. Has anyone noticed a correlation between dual 
> core cpu's remote ms sql connections, amount of memory ... etc... 
> Stuff like this or anything else? I've turned my Symantec av off for 
> all the VFP file types. Is there anything else I should be looking at?

Are you receiving an error message, somewhere, when you do something, or
is it just 'stuff'? A bit more info, and we may be able to help.
Thanks.


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RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread Kevin O'Shea
Milwaukee sounds like a warmer climate - here in Ottawa it was -39 this
morning with the wind chill. The kids went off to school as usual.

Kevin O'Shea


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> Solution:
> Move to a warmer climate!

Like UK?

John Weller




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Re: [NF] Charlie Brooker doesn't like Macs.

2007-02-05 Thread Ed Leafe
On Feb 5, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

>> Been running Vista (dual-boot with XP) for the last week.  So far,  
>> 2 x
>> BSOD and 2 lockups that required hard reset.  Roll on SP1 ;-)
>
> Ow. I'd expect Vista to be more solid, since XP (for me) was pretty
> BSOD-free. Guess five years wasn't enough time to work out the bugs!

My experience is slightly different: Win2K has been rock-solid for  
me, while WinXP locks up occasionally. Bear in mind that I don't  
stress Windows anywhere near the levels that I stress my Mac and  
Linux machines; I use Windows for VFP development and Dabo testing,  
and that's about it.

Haven't tried Vista yet, but I suppose when I start getting  
questions about Dabo not working on it, I'll have to take the plunge.

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Re: [NF] Charlie Brooker doesn't like Macs.

2007-02-05 Thread Brian Abbott
Yeah, XP has been rock solid on this same PC for the last year.

The thing that has surprised me - apart from the flakiness - is that 
(with 2Gb RAM) it's actually slightly quicker than XP (tho' that might 
be just down to the registry being cleaner ...)

Ted Roche wrote:
> On 2/5/07, Brian Abbott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Been running Vista (dual-boot with XP) for the last week.  So far, 2 x
>> BSOD and 2 lockups that required hard reset.  Roll on SP1 ;-)
> 
> Ow. I'd expect Vista to be more solid, since XP (for me) was pretty
> BSOD-free. Guess five years wasn't enough time to work out the bugs!
> 

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Cheers


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Re: Buffer overrins & stuff

2007-02-05 Thread Derek Kalweit
> Still having this problem. I'm using Ed's setmemory utility, but nothing
> seems to help. Has anyone noticed a correlation between dual core cpu's
> remote ms sql connections, amount of memory ... etc... Stuff like this
> or anything else? I've turned my Symantec av off for all the VFP file
> types. Is there anything else I should be looking at?

Are you receiving an error message, somewhere, when you do something,
or is it just 'stuff'? A bit more info, and we may be able to help.
Thanks.


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Re: [NF] Charlie Brooker doesn't like Macs.

2007-02-05 Thread Ted Roche
On 2/5/07, Brian Abbott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Been running Vista (dual-boot with XP) for the last week.  So far, 2 x
> BSOD and 2 lockups that required hard reset.  Roll on SP1 ;-)

Ow. I'd expect Vista to be more solid, since XP (for me) was pretty
BSOD-free. Guess five years wasn't enough time to work out the bugs!

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Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:05 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

> Try looking at the question from the other side: what is it you want
> to do with your computer? The Answers Are Out There.

Just work, which is 90% PHP/MySQL and HTML right now. The only play  
stuff involves family photos & movies. I suppose newsgroups, too.

There must be other stuff I do...

Ken


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RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread David Crooks
On Monday, February 05, 2007 11:47 AM Gil wrote:

>This morning we were at -1 F.  Not expected to go up much today either.
>Last night (Super Bowl) our entire neighborhood lost power, so they
missed the last hour or so 
>of the game (500 homes affected).  We were out when the power went out,
but when we came home 
>our lights were on, computers and network equipment never missed a
beat.  We have a 15kw natural >gas fueld auto-start generator.  We had
it installed last year February, and had to wait almost >a year to get a
Live Test!  It worked like a champ, although I wonder how much gas it
burned off >over the 3+ hours of run time.  Hardly matters, we had
power!

Your neighborhood didn't miss much!  Chicago has to replace that QB boy
with someone who can handle the pressure. Also, seemed like most of the
good commercials were at the beginning.

David L. Crooks


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RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread John Weller
> Solution:
> Move to a warmer climate!

Like UK?

John Weller
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Re: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Justin Darnell wrote:
> How old is the battery?

Oh, I dunno. How long have I been asking silly Mac questions on the list?

> My iBook G4 battery would work for 3 - 5 hours depending on the use
> before going dead on me, but I also had to replace the battery after
> the first year.

I bet this one is two years old by now. The G5s had just come out when I 
got this one, I think.

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Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Ed Leafe
On Feb 5, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Rick Schummer wrote:

>>> And once you've installed KDE PLEASE install Basket 0.6.0,  
>>> you won't regret it.<<
>
> Are you trying to help with my point? 

Was your point that there are a whole lot of really cool tools  
available for Linux that can make you as productive as in any other  
OS? If so, point taken.

http://basket.kde.org/

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RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread mrgmhale
> think it's 28
> degrees Fahrenheit right now, b (hahahahaha)

This morning we were at -1 F.  Not expected to go up much today either.
Last night (Super Bowl) our entire neighborhood lost power, so they missed
the last hour or so of the game (500 homes affected).  We were out when the
power went out, but when we came home our lights were on, computers and
network equipment never missed a beat.  We have a 15kw natural gas fueld
auto-start generator.  We had it installed last year February, and had to
wait almost a year to get a Live Test!  It worked like a champ, although I
wonder how much gas it burned off over the 3+ hours of run time.  Hardly
matters, we had power!

Gil

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of john harvey
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:27 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?
>
>
> Cold weather definitely impacts battery life. Think about how
> much harder it
> is to start the car on cold days, and how the battery doesn't seem to have
> the umph it did when it was warmer. It's cold down here too, I
> think it's 28
> degrees Fahrenheit right now, b (hahahahaha)
>
> John
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 10:19 AM
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?
>
> So there I am, in the basement, wearing my four pair o' corduroys,
> dinking around on the wind trainer. I have my Mac set up on a stand in
> front of the bike to watch whatever trash Netflix has heaved my way
> recently.
>
> I've been getting about 70-75 minutes of DVD playing time. Today it
> bailed on me at 65 minutes. The only difference (battery was fully
> charged from last night) is that it's about 15F in the basement this
> morning, up from it's normal 27 or 28. (Outside it's 12 below, F. All
> Milwaukee schools were closed. The wimps.)
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] Charlie Brooker doesn't like Macs.

2007-02-05 Thread Brian Abbott
Been running Vista (dual-boot with XP) for the last week.  So far, 2 x 
BSOD and 2 lockups that required hard reset.  Roll on SP1 ;-)

Ted Roche wrote:
> On 2/5/07, Alan Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Not sure I agree with him on Macs though, even though they do crash a
>> lot despite what the ads he mentions say.
>>
> 
> Everyone's experience varies. I've used an 20" iMac (the dancing bell)
> for a couple of years now and I've locked it up three, maybe four
> times, and restarted it every other month when the security update
> asks me to. However, I don't push the envelope with it. It's a desktop
> machine for mail, browsing, documents, etc. ymmv.
> 

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Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:

> (stage whisper) Hey, guys, we hooked another one!

Yeah -- I'm already trying to figure out when I can take the time to  
move it from "over there" (where I stuck my old computer) when I  
built the new one, to "over here" where I can pl, er, work with it  
more. Involves crawling behind my desk to get my old W98 machine and  
move *it* "over there" first.

I hope the L box won't have any problem with my KVM switch...

KEn


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Re: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Dave Crozier wrote:
> Whil,
> And I forgot to add that the internal resistance of the battery will
> increase with the drop in temperature which is one of the main reasons for
> decreased performance as there is more "internal energy loss" i.e heat
> generated.

I am shocked, I tell you, shocked, that not a single one on this list 
has come up with the answer _I_ decided on

"Stay out of the damn basement until it warms up - go sicherbut down on 
an easy chair with a bowl full of Doritos and 48oz miller-lite, and 
watch that Go-Daddy commercial 15 or 20 more times."

Whil


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RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread David Crooks
On Monday, February 05, 2007 11:33 AM Dave Crozier wrote:



>Solution:
>Move to a warmer climate!

Sure, move the Dallas, TX where it snowed a couple inches of snow last
week. With this "Global Warming" it would be warmer to move to the North
Pole where all the icebergs are melting! (Quickly moving off topic...)

David L. Crooks


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RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread Dave Crozier
Whil,
And I forgot to add that the internal resistance of the battery will
increase with the drop in temperature which is one of the main reasons for
decreased performance as there is more "internal energy loss" i.e heat
generated.

Dave Crozier


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To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

So there I am, in the basement, wearing my four pair o' corduroys, 
dinking around on the wind trainer. I have my Mac set up on a stand in 
front of the bike to watch whatever trash Netflix has heaved my way 
recently.

I've been getting about 70-75 minutes of DVD playing time. Today it 
bailed on me at 65 minutes. The only difference (battery was fully 
charged from last night) is that it's about 15F in the basement this 
morning, up from it's normal 27 or 28. (Outside it's 12 below, F. All 
Milwaukee schools were closed. The wimps.)

Of course, I didn't find out that everyone else was going to be sleeping 
in until after I had gotten up at oh-dark-freezin'-thirty, stretched, 
dressed, and lugged everything down to the basement. Ugh.

Should I be getting more than 75 minutes on a Mac PowerBook G4 battery 
for playing DVD? Walter Mossberg keeps boasting about how he gets 3 or 5 
hours on his 'endurance' tests, but I suspect that he falls asleep 
halfway through his tests, and doesn't realize that the battery is 
hibernating on him without him knowing it. He's really old, you know. 
Same high school graduating class as Ted, last I heard.

Whil


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RE: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Rick Schummer
>>This concept of having a choice is definitely bad.<<

>>Too many choices! Stop! Make them stop! Just tell me what to do. I don't want 
>>to have to
decide!!

<<

I am not saying choice is bad and you know that. 

What I am saying is it is confusing the marketplace. I don't want to return to 
the days of TI99/4a
vs. Atari vs. Commadore vs. TRS80 vs. every other mom and pop computer 
manufacturer. You had to make
a choice on the OS and the machine. You always had to compromise and not get 
all the software you
wanted to run because certain software only ran on certain platforms. This is 
what is so good with
the two standards (WinTel and Apple) that emerged. I have no problem with Linux 
existing and
competing. I have problem with too many Linuxes to pick from. 

I just visited the Detroit Auto Show a couple of weeks ago. I am in the market 
to replace my car
when my lease expires in July. I have simple requirements, but the same 
manufacturer (GM) has the
same vehicle under Chevy, Buick, Saturn, and GMC. Confusion in the marketplace, 
which means I have
to hunt down a solution that should be simple. The prices for these vehicles 
are nearly the same so
this is not an economic benefit to the consumer. The vehicles are identical 
except for a little
difference in the grills and nameplate. Not that choosing a car is anything 
like choosing an
operating system, but I am sure you recognize the similarities of the situation.

Users should not have to hunt down the an OS from literally dozens of choices. 
Most are not
qualified to make this choice. It costs money and is simply a mine field 
waiting for you to make the
wrong choice. The issue is compatibility. I need software to run my business. 
Lets look at your case
and Ted's case as it has been documented on this list. You literally need two 
operating systems and
two machines to run your businesses. In my opinion, that is nuts. I know *why* 
you are doing it, and
I know you would like to be down to one. It is not costly in your case because 
you are one person.
Even in Ted's case where there are two people it is not so bad. But most (95% 
is a safe guess)
businesses are not going to do this for all their employees. Not cost 
effective. 

So now the company firmly chooses Linux over the Windows platform. Great. Which 
one do they choose?
I can ask a dozen different consultants and get 20 different answers. Software 
package A runs great
on Fedora and not on others. Package B needs Ubuntu or any other distro, but is 
not supported by
Fedora. Or worse, GUI 1 vs. GUI 2 from a compatibility point of view breaks 
different vertical
market apps. Are users going to deal with this? No. Do I want to deal with 
this? Not in a million
years. Worse yet, I try to deploy my Linux solution at a large company and I 
find out because the
source is open and their IT department decided to "tweak" it, my app is broken. 
Slim possibility,
but it can happen.

The same thing can be said with Windows 2000/XP/Vista - I know, I am living it. 
PITA - period. 

Billions of dollars will be wasted. This is why I predict we will literally see 
a freeze in the
marketplace. IT departments will choose to stay exactly where they are. This 
could be both good and
bad. Good because today's software works on today's OS and I have the tools to 
solve the pain they
are feeling. Bad because it will stifle innovation in their business, and is a 
short term fix to a
long term problem because hardware will breakdown and OS patches will be cut 
off at some point
(another problem I think is out of control). Worse yet, vertical market product 
creators have to
start to decide who they will abandon and this is just not good for any 
business who counts on their
software.

I prefer a solid standard I can recommend to my clients so everyone wins. With 
Windows I have fewer
choices with decent compatibility, and documented differences so the mine field 
is easier to
navigate. I believe the world of Linux can benefit from fewer choices if it is 
hoping for greater
mindshare in the business world and home markets. 

I am not saying choice is bad.

Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

www.whitelightcomputing.com
www.rickschummer.com
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RE: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Rick Schummer
>>And once you've installed KDE PLEASE install Basket 0.6.0, you won't 
>>regret it.<<

Are you trying to help with my point?  


Rick
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RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread Dave Crozier
Whil,
The basic answer is yes on two fronts. One of which is demonstrated here in
the second graph down:

http://www.mpoweruk.com/performance.htm

Also friction will increase on metal surfaces the tighter the contact fit
is. On hard disks particularly the "drag" factor of spinning up hard disks
can increase dramatically when cold.

Solution:
Move to a warmer climate!

Dave Crozier

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Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Sent: 05 February 2007 16:19
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

So there I am, in the basement, wearing my four pair o' corduroys, 
dinking around on the wind trainer. I have my Mac set up on a stand in 
front of the bike to watch whatever trash Netflix has heaved my way 
recently.

I've been getting about 70-75 minutes of DVD playing time. Today it 
bailed on me at 65 minutes. The only difference (battery was fully 
charged from last night) is that it's about 15F in the basement this 
morning, up from it's normal 27 or 28. (Outside it's 12 below, F. All 
Milwaukee schools were closed. The wimps.)

Of course, I didn't find out that everyone else was going to be sleeping 
in until after I had gotten up at oh-dark-freezin'-thirty, stretched, 
dressed, and lugged everything down to the basement. Ugh.

Should I be getting more than 75 minutes on a Mac PowerBook G4 battery 
for playing DVD? Walter Mossberg keeps boasting about how he gets 3 or 5 
hours on his 'endurance' tests, but I suspect that he falls asleep 
halfway through his tests, and doesn't realize that the battery is 
hibernating on him without him knowing it. He's really old, you know. 
Same high school graduating class as Ted, last I heard.

Whil


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Re: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread Ted Roche
On 2/5/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Should I be getting more than 75 minutes on a Mac PowerBook G4 battery
> for playing DVD?

Last I heard, the newer batteries (Lithium and NiMH) work better and
longer with shallow discharges rather than full ones, so it might be
worth figuring out how to power your Mac rather than fully discharging
the batteries.

> He's really old, you know.
> Same high school graduating class as Ted, last I heard.

Assuming I'd graduated at all, of course. IIRC, I went off on a wagon
train west at age 15 to settle the new territories...

I swear I'm not making this up.

-- 
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RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread john harvey
Cold weather definitely impacts battery life. Think about how much harder it
is to start the car on cold days, and how the battery doesn't seem to have
the umph it did when it was warmer. It's cold down here too, I think it's 28
degrees Fahrenheit right now, b (hahahahaha)

John



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Subject: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

So there I am, in the basement, wearing my four pair o' corduroys, 
dinking around on the wind trainer. I have my Mac set up on a stand in 
front of the bike to watch whatever trash Netflix has heaved my way 
recently.

I've been getting about 70-75 minutes of DVD playing time. Today it 
bailed on me at 65 minutes. The only difference (battery was fully 
charged from last night) is that it's about 15F in the basement this 
morning, up from it's normal 27 or 28. (Outside it's 12 below, F. All 
Milwaukee schools were closed. The wimps.)



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Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
> OK, I got Ubuntu installed, got on my network and the internet,  
> performed 119 updates , installed Thunderbird, and subscribed to  
> ProLinux.
> 
> Easy as pie, so far.

/snicker/

(stage whisper) Hey, guys, we hooked another one!

Whil


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Re: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread Justin Darnell
How old is the battery?

My iBook G4 battery would work for 3 - 5 hours depending on the use
before going dead on me, but I also had to replace the battery after
the first year.

Justin

On 2/5/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So there I am, in the basement, wearing my four pair o' corduroys,
> dinking around on the wind trainer. I have my Mac set up on a stand in
> front of the bike to watch whatever trash Netflix has heaved my way
> recently.
>
> I've been getting about 70-75 minutes of DVD playing time. Today it
> bailed on me at 65 minutes. The only difference (battery was fully
> charged from last night) is that it's about 15F in the basement this
> morning, up from it's normal 27 or 28. (Outside it's 12 below, F. All
> Milwaukee schools were closed. The wimps.)
>
> Of course, I didn't find out that everyone else was going to be sleeping
> in until after I had gotten up at oh-dark-freezin'-thirty, stretched,
> dressed, and lugged everything down to the basement. Ugh.
>
> Should I be getting more than 75 minutes on a Mac PowerBook G4 battery
> for playing DVD? Walter Mossberg keeps boasting about how he gets 3 or 5
> hours on his 'endurance' tests, but I suspect that he falls asleep
> halfway through his tests, and doesn't realize that the battery is
> hibernating on him without him knowing it. He's really old, you know.
> Same high school graduating class as Ted, last I heard.
>
> Whil
>
>
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Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
> OK, I got Ubuntu installed, got on my network and the internet,  
> performed 119 updates , installed Thunderbird, and subscribed to  
> ProLinux.
 >
> Easy as pie, so far.
> 
> On to more. Before I move over to ProLinux with this stuff, any  
> interesting, useful, or cool stuff I should try or install?

Point Thunderbird's mail folder to a place on your server so that you 
can access your mail from your Linux box or your non-Linux box.

I wrote up a long dissertation on setting up FC as a dev workstation. 
The thing needs work, but the back half of the article may be 
interesting in terms of how I set up my desktop.

No icons on the desktop except when I plug a USB thingee in.

The panel has icons for...

- lock workstation
- logout workstation
- Show Desktop
- Konqueror (file mgr)
- Terminal
- Firefox
- Thunderbird
- gFTP (the only gnome thing I run, cuz kde's ftp tools are awful)
- OOo
- Quanta
- Gimp
- KIconEdit
- Music Player (XMMS)
- Kate (God's own editor, along with Whil's own icon, available at 
www.datamuscle.com.)

And on the far right, icons for volume control, a calculator, battery 
monitor, and the clock.

Whil


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[NF] Pixel (was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade)

2007-02-05 Thread Kevin Cully
I just ran across this the other day as a Photoshop replacement:  Pixel
http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=12

It's not FOSS, but at $38 the price is very reasonable.  I'll probably
stick with The Gimp because I've gotten used to it's interface, but it's
nice to have additional "Photoshop-like" options.

Ted Roche wrote:
Just this morning I installed GIMP to fix up the
> text on my LUG's logo, Inkscape for some structured drawing work, and
> pdftk (PDF Tool Kit) to merge a couple of PDFs.




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[NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-05 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
So there I am, in the basement, wearing my four pair o' corduroys, 
dinking around on the wind trainer. I have my Mac set up on a stand in 
front of the bike to watch whatever trash Netflix has heaved my way 
recently.

I've been getting about 70-75 minutes of DVD playing time. Today it 
bailed on me at 65 minutes. The only difference (battery was fully 
charged from last night) is that it's about 15F in the basement this 
morning, up from it's normal 27 or 28. (Outside it's 12 below, F. All 
Milwaukee schools were closed. The wimps.)

Of course, I didn't find out that everyone else was going to be sleeping 
in until after I had gotten up at oh-dark-freezin'-thirty, stretched, 
dressed, and lugged everything down to the basement. Ugh.

Should I be getting more than 75 minutes on a Mac PowerBook G4 battery 
for playing DVD? Walter Mossberg keeps boasting about how he gets 3 or 5 
hours on his 'endurance' tests, but I suspect that he falls asleep 
halfway through his tests, and doesn't realize that the battery is 
hibernating on him without him knowing it. He's really old, you know. 
Same high school graduating class as Ted, last I heard.

Whil


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Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Feb 5, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Kevin Cully wrote:

> I really like the Quanta+
> editor get that
> installed via Synaptic.

I'll check it out (just as soon as I figure out what "Synaptic" is.)

Thanks

Ken


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Re: [NF] Charlie Brooker doesn't like Macs.

2007-02-05 Thread Ted Roche
On 2/5/07, Alan Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not sure I agree with him on Macs though, even though they do crash a
> lot despite what the ads he mentions say.
>

Everyone's experience varies. I've used an 20" iMac (the dancing bell)
for a couple of years now and I've locked it up three, maybe four
times, and restarted it every other month when the security update
asks me to. However, I don't push the envelope with it. It's a desktop
machine for mail, browsing, documents, etc. ymmv.

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Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Ted Roche
On 2/5/07, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On to more. Before I move over to ProLinux with this stuff, any
> interesting, useful, or cool stuff I should try or install?
>

"It's full of stars." -- Keir Dullea

There's too many choices, Ken, I've got to warn you. There are cool
tools for everything. Just this morning I installed GIMP to fix up the
text on my LUG's logo, Inkscape for some structured drawing work, and
pdftk (PDF Tool Kit) to merge a couple of PDFs.

Try looking at the question from the other side: what is it you want
to do with your computer? The Answers Are Out There.

-- 
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[NF] Charlie Brooker doesn't like Macs.

2007-02-05 Thread Alan Bourke
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html

UK readers may recognise Charlie from his Screen Wipe show 
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/features/screen-wipe.shtml) where he 
reviews and brilliantly eviscerates TV shows.

Not sure I agree with him on Macs though, even though they do crash a 
lot despite what the ads he mentions say.


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Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Kevin Cully
If you are going to be doing HTML stuff, I really like the Quanta+
editor.  It's my favorite HTML editor by far!  You can get that
installed via Synaptic.

Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
> OK, I got Ubuntu installed, got on my network and the internet,  
> performed 119 updates , installed Thunderbird, and subscribed to  
> ProLinux.
> 
> Easy as pie, so far.
> 
> On to more. Before I move over to ProLinux with this stuff, any  
> interesting, useful, or cool stuff I should try or install?
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
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Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
OK, I got Ubuntu installed, got on my network and the internet,  
performed 119 updates , installed Thunderbird, and subscribed to  
ProLinux.

Easy as pie, so far.

On to more. Before I move over to ProLinux with this stuff, any  
interesting, useful, or cool stuff I should try or install?

Ken


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Buffer overrins & stuff

2007-02-05 Thread Lew Schwartz
Still having this problem. I'm using Ed's setmemory utility, but nothing
seems to help. Has anyone noticed a correlation between dual core cpu's
remote ms sql connections, amount of memory ... etc... Stuff like this
or anything else? I've turned my Symantec av off for all the VFP file
types. Is there anything else I should be looking at?
-Lew


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RE: [NF] iTunes and Vista

2007-02-05 Thread Tristan Leask
Heh, I'm surprised they didn't just say, "Wait, go and buy a Mac"

Tristan

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6330913.stm

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[OT] Who's really running the show?

2007-02-05 Thread Ed Leafe
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2007_02_04.php#012263
( -or- http://tinyurl.com/22xqnr )

An interesting analysis of the dynamic between Cheney and Bush.

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[NF] iTunes and Vista

2007-02-05 Thread John Weller

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6330913.stm

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RE: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread John Weller
Clever - I'll do that later!  Thanks Alan.

John Weller
01380 723235
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Bourke
> Sent: 05 February 2007 09:12
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade
>
>
>  >Hohn Weller wrote:
> >> Is there a similar
> >> sort of book for Linux - a 'Linux for Windows Users' perhaps?  I need
> >> something which will advise me on how to set a machine from scratch for
> >> basic email and word processing use; perhaps as a MySQL data
> server then -
> >> who knows?  Dabo perhaps?
> >>
> John, get yourself the free VMWare Player
> (http://www.vmware.com/products/player/), then go to here
> (http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/cat/45) and look at the
> bottom of the page for a free, prebuilt Ubuntu 6.06 Virtual Machine.
> Play the latter using the former and don't worry about how to install it
> for the time being. If you bust something, elect not to save changes
> when closing the virtual machine. Easy.
>
>
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Re: How to add a blank memo field onto a query?

2007-02-05 Thread Grigore Dolghin
..INTO CURSOR curTempBOM NoFilter ReadWrite
Alter Table curTempBOM Add Column MyMemo M


On 2/5/07, Dave Crozier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael,
> If you haven't got VFP9 then the alternative is baased on the following:
>
> Create Cursor temp (Notes m)
> Insert Into curTemp Values ("")
>
> Select All ;
>   Customer.Id, ;
>   curTemp.Notes ;
> >From customer ;
> Join curTemp On .T. ;
> into cursor curtemp
> *
> Browse
>
> Dave Crozier
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of MB Software Solutions
> Sent: 05 February 2007 02:13
> To: Profox
> Subject: How to add a blank memo field onto a query?
>
> I forgot how to do this.  I want to add a blank memo field (to be
> populated after the query) into this query.  How again can I do that?
>
> SELECT lu1.cSKU2, lu1.cDescription, lu1.lBuyout,
> lu1.nDefaultLength, m1.nUnitCost, ;
> m1.nJobID, j1.cJobName, m1.nMatlID, ;
> j1.dAccepted, ;
> SPACE(16) as cJobID, ;
> SUM(m1.nTotalQty) as nSumQty, ;
> SUM(m1.nTotalCost) as nSumCost ;
>   FROM materials m1 ;
>  INNER JOIN luMaterials lu1 ;
>  ON m1.nMatlID = lu1.iid ;
>  INNER JOIN jobs j1 ;
>  ON m1.nJobID = j1.iid ;
>  WHERE m1.nJobID = tiJobID ;
>  GROUP BY 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 ;
>   INTO CURSOR curTempBOM
>
>
> tia,
> --Michael
>
>
> --
> Michael J. Babcock, MCP
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> http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com
> http://fabmate.com
> "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!"
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>
>
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RE: How to add a blank memo field onto a query?

2007-02-05 Thread Dave Crozier
Michael,
If you haven't got VFP9 then the alternative is baased on the following:

Create Cursor temp (Notes m)
Insert Into curTemp Values ("")

Select All ;
  Customer.Id, ;
  curTemp.Notes ;
>From customer ;
Join curTemp On .T. ;
into cursor curtemp 
*
Browse

Dave Crozier



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To: Profox
Subject: How to add a blank memo field onto a query?

I forgot how to do this.  I want to add a blank memo field (to be 
populated after the query) into this query.  How again can I do that? 

SELECT lu1.cSKU2, lu1.cDescription, lu1.lBuyout, 
lu1.nDefaultLength, m1.nUnitCost, ;
m1.nJobID, j1.cJobName, m1.nMatlID, ;
j1.dAccepted, ;
SPACE(16) as cJobID, ;
SUM(m1.nTotalQty) as nSumQty, ;
SUM(m1.nTotalCost) as nSumCost ;
  FROM materials m1 ;
 INNER JOIN luMaterials lu1 ;
 ON m1.nMatlID = lu1.iid ;
 INNER JOIN jobs j1 ;
 ON m1.nJobID = j1.iid ;
 WHERE m1.nJobID = tiJobID ;
 GROUP BY 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 ;
  INTO CURSOR curTempBOM


tia,
--Michael


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Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-05 Thread Alan Bourke
 >Hohn Weller wrote:
>> Is there a similar
>> sort of book for Linux - a 'Linux for Windows Users' perhaps?  I need
>> something which will advise me on how to set a machine from scratch for
>> basic email and word processing use; perhaps as a MySQL data server then -
>> who knows?  Dabo perhaps?
>> 
John, get yourself the free VMWare Player 
(http://www.vmware.com/products/player/), then go to here 
(http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/cat/45) and look at the 
bottom of the page for a free, prebuilt Ubuntu 6.06 Virtual Machine. 
Play the latter using the former and don't worry about how to install it 
for the time being. If you bust something, elect not to save changes 
when closing the virtual machine. Easy.


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