Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:13 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: You still need to adjust code per backend for joins, date math and such. Oracle / DB2 / MySQL are all different in these cases. Of course, to the extent that you use backend-specific code explicitly, that's true. If you use the framework to do these things, that's taken care of for you. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:13 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: You still need to adjust code per backend for joins, date math and such. Oracle / DB2 / MySQL are all different in these cases. Of course, to the extent that you use backend-specific code explicitly, that's true. If you use the framework to do these things, that's taken care of for you. Ed -- are you incorporating something like that in Dabo (i.e., code to take care of those things for you)? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Handling different backend SQLs (was Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2)
Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:31 AM, MB Software Solutions wrote: Ed -- are you incorporating something like that in Dabo (i.e., code to take care of those things for you)? Yes. Our data layer consists of a cursor object, which has a backend object that is specific to the details of the backend being used. Code originally starts in the cursor: self.doSomething() ...until we find a backend that does it differently. Then it is refactored to: self.BackendObject.doSomething() The backend object superclass is dBackend, into which the default behavior is placed. Each subclass (for MySQL, MS SQL, etc.) can then override the default behavior if necessary. Example: each backend has a different way of limiting the number of records returned from a query. MySQL uses LIMIT at the end of the statement; MS SQL uses TOP after the SELECT keyword, etc. If you were to hardcode the query in your bizobj, then yes, you'd have to change it if you switched backends. But if you used the SQL builder code in Dabo: bizobj.setLimit(100) ...then that gets executed at runtime into the appropriate syntax for the current backend. Cool...that's somewhat how I did with the SQL_MYSQL / SQL_VFP columns in the sqldefs.dbf table in my n-tier project. I like the way you're doing it, with things like the SetLimit(100) that then takes care of the respective backend logic. Question: if your WHERE clause looks for a specific primary key, is there any advantage to using a LIMIT -style clause? I was getting in the habit of always adding the LIMIT 0,1 in my MySQL SELECT statements, but wondering if it's overkill or pointless? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
Ed Leafe wrote: Yesterday I posted Part 1 of the screencast on using the data environment of the Dabo Class Designer to create a data-aware application. I've just completed Part 2, and it's now available at: http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment1.html I suggset you forget about the DataEnvironment class. It's in Foxpro merely for drap-and-drop programmers. Real programmers don't DD, and so far there is no really productive use for DD. -- .~. Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. http://www.linux-sxs.org / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you! /( _ )\ (Ubuntu 6.10) Linux 2.6.19.1 ^ ^ 20:23:01 up 27 days 2:35 0 users load average: 1.04 1.03 1.00 news://news.3home.net news://news.hkpcug.org news://news.newsgroup.com.hk ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:24 AM, Man-wai CHANG wrote: I suggset you forget about the DataEnvironment class. It's in Foxpro merely for drap-and-drop programmers. Real programmers don't DD, and so far there is no really productive use for DD. There is no need to use the visual tools. You can create the exact same application in Dabo using nothing but Notepad. We're also happy to work with the fake programmers as well as the real programmers. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
On 1/8/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no need to use the visual tools. You can create the exact same application in Dabo using nothing but Notepad. We're also happy to work with the fake programmers as well as the real programmers. http://esl.about.com/library/glossary/bldef_51.htm A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:57 AM, Jean Laeremans wrote: http://esl.about.com/library/glossary/bldef_51.htm Actually, most of the current hard-core programmers outside of the Where do you want to go today? world wouldn't dream of working in anything other than vi or emacs. That's one of the main reasons that there was really no good visual UI designer in the Python world; we're trying to change that. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
On 1/8/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:57 AM, Jean Laeremans wrote: http://esl.about.com/library/glossary/bldef_51.htm Actually, most of the current hard-core programmers outside of the Where do you want to go today? world wouldn't dream of working in anything other than vi or emacs. That's one of the main reasons that there was really no good visual UI designer in the Python world; we're trying to change that. I know, even did it that way a long time ago. Still, i'm not in the MS crowd...and i don't mean Microsoft... A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
Ed Leafe wrote: We're also happy to work with the fake programmers as well as the real programmers. ROFLMAO! Good one, Ed! -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:42 AM, MB Software Solutions wrote: Well, I wouldn't say it so brashly, but I've felt that way somewhat about the VFP DE for some time, as I thought it tied you into a VFP backend pretty much. Using a different approach (like n-tier in my case) allows me much more flexibility, imo. Well, sure; it doesn't make sense to lock in your design to one thing. You can define a connection to MySQL, and if later you want to change to an MS SQL Server backend, all you have to do is update the connection information, and everything will still work. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
MB Software Solutions wrote: Stephen the Cook wrote: Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:42 AM, MB Software Solutions wrote: Well, I wouldn't say it so brashly, but I've felt that way somewhat about the VFP DE for some time, as I thought it tied you into a VFP backend pretty much. Using a different approach (like n-tier in my case) allows me much more flexibility, imo. Well, sure; it doesn't make sense to lock in your design to one thing. You can define a connection to MySQL, and if later you want to change to an MS SQL Server backend, all you have to do is update the connection information, and everything will still work. You still need to adjust code per backend for joins, date math and such. Oracle / DB2 / MySQL are all different in these cases. Yes, but the variations are not great. In the open source n-tier project I posted on Ed's OpenTech forum, I used a simple DBF that listed the default SQL, specific backend SQL (for overriding the default SQL), primary key, candidate keys, updatable fields, etc. and that design was pretty easy, imo. Sure, there are subtle differences, but no show stoppers or big deals, imo. Date math is the biggest problem I have faced. I currently work with M$, Oracle and DB2 databases and each has their own special way. Joins are much easier. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/619 - Release Date: 1/7/2007 6:29 PM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
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Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On 1/5/07, MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Leafe wrote: Pity i'm just too lazy to play newbie again...s What if the EU demands that you write apps that will run on Linux? Do you really think that day will ever come? Cool for you guys if it did No 'thinking' involved really, it's a fact. 1. Extensive testing of OO is going on. 2. most of our apps are web based 3. most of our servers run Iinux 4. close relation with IBM 5. OS locked down to W2K. Just received a brand new Dell OS = W2K It will take time though...our dep. alone deploys around 80,000 pcs so it will be a logistic nightmare i guess. Some pcs will remain win one's i suppose as i don't see something in the linux world to replace Arcview (http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/arcview/index.html) A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On 1/5/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 5:54 PM, Jean Laeremans wrote: As far as Linux goes you're right will be Java though as you may know web apps are nowadays craze. Yeah - there are about a zillion web frameworks in Python, but nothing for desktop apps, which is why we ended up creating Dabo. Wondering when - not if - the pendulum will swing back BTW does running Dabo in any way involve touching the registry ? Locked down PCs you see. If you install the components individually, such as Python, MySQLdb, etc., I'm sure that most of them add registry entries. If you use the runtime engine, the only entries are the uninstall keys that InnoSetup creates. Dunno how that would work on a locked-down PC. Shouldn't be a problem then as i use InnoSetup too without problems. A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On 1/5/07, Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some pcs will remain win one's i suppose as i don't see something in the linux world to replace Arcview (http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/arcview/index.html) Resistance is futile. Look how you can deploy the server: http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/arcgisserver/about/sys-reqs.html -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On 1/5/07, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/5/07, Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some pcs will remain win one's i suppose as i don't see something in the linux world to replace Arcview (http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/arcview/index.html) Resistance is futile. Look how you can deploy the server: http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/arcgisserver/about/sys-reqs.html -- Eh, i did overlook that one and i did verify beforehand, honest...s A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
Good job, looks impressive... In terms of being brutally honest, it's your tool, well presented, thought out etc. All righty then, I've started to dabble (forgive the term) with Dabo and python. Although your tools are GREAT, would you mind suggesting how to best learn the basics on how to get this stuff to run? TIA, Desmond To: profox@leafe.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:37:23 -0500 Subject: [NF] New Dabo Screencast Well, it's been a few months since I've done one these screencasts, but I haven't been slacking off. I've been working on further developing the Dabo Class Designer, and integrating it with some of our other visual tools. This one should be of interest to all you Fox folk. It's on using the data environment of the Dabo Class Designer to quickly create forms. This is Part 1, and runs about 10 minutes. http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment1.html Let me know what you think. Brutal honesty encouraged! ;-) -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On 1/5/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are several places to start. I read the README and ran the sample to confirm I had dabo installed and running. It was hard to tell from the many informational messages if installation was successful. It appeared to be. I installed the dabodemos and played around with them. Most worked. You can quickly build an app that connects to an existing database with the AppWizard. You can start playing around with GUI design using the Class Designer. Are there HOWTOs somewhere to do this? I haven't gotten that far yet. Pages in the wiki? You can start going over the code in the framework and trying to figure out what's going on under the hood. I guess the answer depends a lot of what it is you want to do, and what level of comfort you have with Python. Sounds like a great opportunity for a book ;) -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On Friday, January 05, 2007 11:04 AM Ted Roche wrote: snipped Sounds like a great opportunity for a book ;) Everything You Wanted to Know About Dabbling with Dabo, But Were Afraid to Ask David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
David Crooks wrote: On Friday, January 05, 2007 11:04 AM Ted Roche wrote: snipped Sounds like a great opportunity for a book ;) Everything You Wanted to Know About Dabbling with Dabo, But Were Afraid to Ask Make sure you give David credit in the acknowledge section, Ed. g -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On Friday, January 05, 2007 11:19 AM Peter Cushing wrote: What about another in the series: Dabo for Dummies But wait... we're all professionals ;-) Yea, I never liked books that insult me. Why would I want to read a book calling me a dummy, idiot or be a morons guide? I can do that all by myself... :-) David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On Jan 5, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Ted Roche wrote: I read the README and ran the sample to confirm I had dabo installed and running. It was hard to tell from the many informational messages if installation was successful. It appeared to be. That's one area where Paul and I differ. I think that those messages are confusing, while he thinks the more the merrier. You can quickly build an app that connects to an existing database with the AppWizard. You can start playing around with GUI design using the Class Designer. Are there HOWTOs somewhere to do this? I haven't gotten that far yet. Pages in the wiki? There are specific examples on the wiki and in screencasts, but nothing that ties it all together. Sounds like a great opportunity for a book ;) I would love to finish the IDE and then sit down and write a book about Dabo. I don't think that reversing the order would be beneficial, since the book would be obsolete in short order. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On Jan 5, 2007, at 11:18 AM, Peter Cushing wrote: What about another in the series: Dabo for Dummies Nah, there are plenty of .Net books out there already! ;-) -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
Ed Leafe wrote: That's one area where Paul and I differ. I think that those messages are confusing, while he thinks And what do think the rest of the time, Ed gdr ? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
actually its here http://www.leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment2.html Andrew Stirling 01250 874580 http://www.calcpay.co.uk HMRC Accredited UK payroll program Ed Leafe wrote: Yesterday I posted Part 1 of the screencast on using the data environment of the Dabo Class Designer to create a data-aware application. I've just completed Part 2, and it's now available at: http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment1.html As usual, comments/feedback is welcome! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
On Jan 5, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: Yesterday I posted Part 1 of the screencast on using the data environment of the Dabo Class Designer to create a data-aware application. I've just completed Part 2, and it's now available at: http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment1.html Doh! Stupid copy-paste error! The correct URL is: http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment2.html -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
On Jan 5, 2007, at 2:44 PM, Andrew Stirling wrote: actually its here http://www.leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment2.html Thanks; you caught that quicker than I did! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
On 1/5/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday I posted Part 1 of the screencast on using the data environment of the Dabo Class Designer to create a data-aware application. I've just completed Part 2, and it's now available at: Nice but if memory serves me right a certain Mr. Leafe once wrote 'video buttons are next to useless s Pity one cannot see the actual method code (i do realise it's a video) A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
Thought that was a loaded question, lemme dabble a little more over the weekend... After I view part 2 of course... Thank You, Desmond From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:02:19 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast On Jan 5, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Desmond Lloyd wrote: All righty then, I've started to dabble (forgive the term) with Dabo and python. Sounds like a marketing jingle: Dabble with Dabo! ;-) Although your tools are GREAT, would you mind suggesting how to best learn the basics on how to get this stuff to run? Learning/playing with Python is important, just so that you don't get hung up on the differences between Python and VFP. But I think you've identified the main problem we have. When you get Fox, you at least have an exe to launch; of course, you're still staring at a blank screen and Command Window, but at least from there you can start exploring. Dabo doesn't have a single IDE yet. We have a bunch of visual tools that we are planning to integrate into a single IDE, but we're not there yet. The screencast shows several of our tools (Class Designer, Connection Editor and DEWizard) all working together, but it would be really nice to have them all available in one place. There are several places to start. You can quickly build an app that connects to an existing database with the AppWizard. You can start playing around with GUI design using the Class Designer. You can start going over the code in the framework and trying to figure out what's going on under the hood. I guess the answer depends a lot of what it is you want to do, and what level of comfort you have with Python. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
Hi Ed I think you meant http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment2.html not http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment1.html IAC, the sound on the second one was on a lower level than the first - probably due to the recording software. Was that your 'radio' voice? While the screencast was not all smooth, you got the message across. The quirkyness of the recording software didn't really throw the presentation off, since you explained it as the quirks came up. Again the simple elegant screens are a tribute to your (or maybe Paul's) sense of design. The link between the parent and child was very simple - again as you said on the first one; if you know what to do, it's simple. I noticed that the Dabo Class Designer title is on the form. Can this be changed? I'd like to test out a few items on Dabo but probably won't have time until later in the month. All in all both presentations were very informative. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:34 PM To: ProFox Mailing List; ProPython Email List Subject: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2 Yesterday I posted Part 1 of the screencast on using the data environment of the Dabo Class Designer to create a data-aware application. I've just completed Part 2, and it's now available at: http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment1.html As usual, comments/feedback is welcome! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast, Part 2
On Jan 5, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Alan Lukachko wrote: IAC, the sound on the second one was on a lower level than the first - probably due to the recording software. Was that your 'radio' voice? The sound is recorded separately in high-quality, and then mixed- down to lower-quality mp3, where it is then combined with the swf recording. Guess I mixed the second one down too much. ;-) Again the simple elegant screens are a tribute to your (or maybe Paul's) sense of design. The link between the parent and child was very simple - again as you said on the first one; if you know what to do, it's simple. Thanks. The Class Designer is my work, but the code in the framework is truly a joint effort. We are fortunate to both share an appreciation for good, clean, consistent code. We sometimes differ on exactly what that means, but after we slug it out we usually come up with something that works well. I noticed that the Dabo Class Designer title is on the form. Can this be changed? Sure - it's just the Caption property of the form. Check out the beginning of the Sizers II screencast (http://leafe.com/screencasts/ sizers2.html) - it's the first thing I do in that one. I'd like to test out a few items on Dabo but probably won't have time until later in the month. All in all both presentations were very informative. Thanks. I think the next one (custom classes) will be pretty meaty, too. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On 1/4/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's been a few months since I've done one these screencasts, but I haven't been slacking off. I've been working on further developing the Dabo Class Designer, and integrating it with some of our other visual tools. This one should be of interest to all you Fox folk. It's on using the data environment of the Dabo Class Designer to quickly create forms. This is Part 1, and runs about 10 minutes. http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment1.html Let me know what you think. Brutal honesty encouraged! ;-) Rather nice, pity it's a come and see next week demo.just as it became interesting A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:37 PM Ed Leafe wrote: Well, it's been a few months since I've done one these screencasts, but I haven't been slacking off. I've been working on further developing the Dabo Class Designer, and integrating it with some of our other visual tools. This one should be of interest to all you Fox folk. It's on using the data environment of the Dabo Class Designer to quickly create forms. This is Part 1, and runs about 10 minutes. http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment1.html Let me know what you think. Brutal honesty encouraged! ;-) It was pretty good. You demonstrated the steps to making a connection to a server and ease of placing some fields on the form and creating a navigation button. Now the honesty part: It could have been a little smoother which comes with practice with the screencast software. I agree with Jean about not completing what you said at the beginning of the screencast. It seemed to me like you were almost there. BTW, I did download the latest version and am starting to look into it further. Thanks! David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
Ed, Very good content and it answered many of the questions I would have been asking on the Dabo list. Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: 04 January 2007 17:37 To: ProFox Mailing List; ProPython Email List Subject: [NF] New Dabo Screencast Well, it's been a few months since I've done one these screencasts, but I haven't been slacking off. I've been working on further developing the Dabo Class Designer, and integrating it with some of our other visual tools. This one should be of interest to all you Fox folk. It's on using the data environment of the Dabo Class Designer to quickly create forms. This is Part 1, and runs about 10 minutes. http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment1.html Let me know what you think. Brutal honesty encouraged! ;-) -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On Jan 4, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Jean Laeremans wrote: Rather nice, pity it's a come and see next week demo.just as it became interesting Next week? I hope to be able to finish it tomorrow. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On Jan 4, 2007, at 1:35 PM, David Crooks wrote: Now the honesty part: It could have been a little smoother which comes with practice with the screencast software. Do you mean that I wasn't very smooth, or that the recording wasn't? If it's the former, well, not much I can do about that - that's why I write software instead of doing voice-overs for commercials. ;-) The screen recording software is pyvnc2swf, so it relies on the quality of the VNC server. If I turn on finer updating, the lags are unbearable. This was about the best compromise I could manage. I agree with Jean about not completing what you said at the beginning of the screencast. It seemed to me like you were almost there. One of the problems is the inability to edit afterwards, so I have to do this all in one shot. In the past I've done recordings where I got about 8-10 minutes into it, and then something happened that forced me to start all over again. I did a couple of dry runs, and the whole thing took about 16 minutes, so this was the cleanest breakpoint near the middle of that. BTW, I did download the latest version and am starting to look into it further. Thanks! Great - if you have any questions about it, the dabo-users list is probably the best place to ask them. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:47 PM Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 1:35 PM, David Crooks wrote: Now the honesty part: It could have been a little smoother which comes with practice with the screencast software. Do you mean that I wasn't very smooth, or that the recording wasn't? If it's the former, well, not much I can do about that - that's why I write software instead of doing voice-overs for commercials. ;-) No, you sound fine... The screen recording software is pyvnc2swf, so it relies on the quality of the VNC server. If I turn on finer updating, the lags are unbearable. This was about the best compromise I could manage. I guess then the best thing is to just go with the lags. It is almost expected to have some lags feeding the video over the Internet and dealing with network traffic. Not a big deal. I agree with Jean about not completing what you said at the beginning of the screencast. It seemed to me like you were almost there. One of the problems is the inability to edit afterwards, so I have to do this all in one shot. In the past I've done recordings where I got about 8-10 minutes into it, and then something happened that forced me to start all over again. I did a couple of dry runs, and the whole thing took about 16 minutes, so this was the cleanest breakpoint near the middle of that. Ok, that is fine. In some ways it is like a commercial. I bet many commercials we see on TV are rehearsed many times going through a lot of takes. BTW, I did download the latest version and am starting to look into it further. Thanks! Great - if you have any questions about it, the dabo-users list is probably the best place to ask them. Will do... David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On 1/4/07, David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you sound fine... Bit Am. though... I guess then the best thing is to just go with the lags. It is almost expected to have some lags feeding the video over the Internet and dealing with network traffic. Not a big deal. Just ran it again to check...no lags here Pity i'm just too lazy to play newbie again...s A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:20 PM Jean Laeremans wrote: On 1/4/07, David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you sound fine... Bit Am. though... You make it sound like that is a bad thing... :-) I guess then the best thing is to just go with the lags. It is almost expected to have some lags feeding the video over the Internet and dealing with network traffic. Not a big deal. Just ran it again to check...no lags here That is why I do think Ed needs to mention it when he is going through the screencast. Pity i'm just too lazy to play newbie again...s You are not a newbie at creating PC database applications are you? Then jump in! The water is fine... :-) David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On Jan 4, 2007, at 4:20 PM, Jean Laeremans wrote: No, you sound fine... Bit Am. though... I'll take that as a compliment! ;-) I guess then the best thing is to just go with the lags. It is almost expected to have some lags feeding the video over the Internet and dealing with network traffic. Not a big deal. Just ran it again to check...no lags here The screen refreshes are *much* slower when running the screen recording software, like when the button didn't position itself immediately, or when the code editor took forever to display the selected method. Pity i'm just too lazy to play newbie again...s What if the EU demands that you write apps that will run on Linux? -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On 1/4/07, David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:20 PM Jean Laeremans wrote: On 1/4/07, David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you sound fine... Bit Am. though... You make it sound like that is a bad thing... :-) Nah, just an observation. Kinda weird hearing the voice of someone one has communicated with for several years in writing. Pity i'm just too lazy to play newbie again...s You are not a newbie at creating PC database applications are you? Then jump in! The water is fine... :-) In the general scheme of it learning Python Dabo would be a minor thing. Getting it accepted would be something else entirely. Been fighting for keeping Fox alive for over 20 years by now. Tired of fighting windmills i guess. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On 1/4/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if the EU demands that you write apps that will run on Linux? Don't get me wrong Ed i really like what i see. As far as Linux goes you're right will be Java though as you may know web apps are nowadays craze. BTW does running Dabo in any way involve touching the registry ? Locked down PCs you see. A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
Ed Leafe wrote: Pity i'm just too lazy to play newbie again...s What if the EU demands that you write apps that will run on Linux? Do you really think that day will ever come? Cool for you guys if it did -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On Jan 4, 2007, at 5:54 PM, Jean Laeremans wrote: As far as Linux goes you're right will be Java though as you may know web apps are nowadays craze. Yeah - there are about a zillion web frameworks in Python, but nothing for desktop apps, which is why we ended up creating Dabo. BTW does running Dabo in any way involve touching the registry ? Locked down PCs you see. If you install the components individually, such as Python, MySQLdb, etc., I'm sure that most of them add registry entries. If you use the runtime engine, the only entries are the uninstall keys that InnoSetup creates. Dunno how that would work on a locked-down PC. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
On Jan 4, 2007, at 7:17 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote: Do you really think that day will ever come? Probably more of a phasing-in thing. Cool for you guys if it did Nah, like Jean said - they'd probably all do web apps. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New Dabo Screencast
For the right price I can make it sound FM...:-) David Crooks wrote: On Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:20 PM Jean Laeremans wrote: On 1/4/07, David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you sound fine... Bit Am. though... You make it sound like that is a bad thing... :-) I guess then the best thing is to just go with the lags. It is almost expected to have some lags feeding the video over the Internet and dealing with network traffic. Not a big deal. Just ran it again to check...no lags here That is why I do think Ed needs to mention it when he is going through the screencast. Pity i'm just too lazy to play newbie again...s You are not a newbie at creating PC database applications are you? Then jump in! The water is fine... :-) David L. Crooks [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
