[proletar] al-Arabiya: Maldivian and Arab, had travelled into the country on tourist visas

2012-01-21 Thread Bukan Pedanda 


Dakwah...

الأحد 28 صفر 1433هـ 
- 22 يناير 2012م
Sri Lanka orders 161 foreign Islamic clerics out
The clerics, who were mostly Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Indian, Maldivian and 
Arab, had travelled into the country on tourist visas and violated immigration 
law. (AFP)

AFP, COLOMBO

Sri Lanka has ordered a group of 161 foreign Islamic clerics to leave the 
country, for flouting visa regulations by preaching to pockets of Muslims 
around the country, an official said Sunday. Controller of Immigration and 
Emigration Chulananda Perera said the clerics, who were mostly Pakistani, 
Bangladeshi, Indian, Maldivian and Arab, had travelled into the country on 
tourist visas. "We have ordered them to leave the country by January 31. They 
have violated immigration laws. A tourist visa is to have a holiday or visit 
friends and family and not to preach Islam," Perera told AFP. He said the 
group, which belongs to the Tabligh Jamat group, arrived in Sri Lanka last 
month in small batches.

Perera said he acted on several complaints by the Muslim community, that the 
clerics were not preaching the moderate Islam practiced on the 
Buddhist-dominated island.

"Foreign clerics wishing to preach Islam in Sri Lanka, must first apply for 
permission through the religious affairs authorities," Perera said.

In January, Sri Lanka launched an online-visa application system, scrapping the 
one-month visa on arrival for foreigners, except Maldivians and Singaporeans.

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Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death threats

2012-01-21 Thread Roman Proteus is back 
Namanya aja item abu anjing budug yang bertuhan kepada anjing dan selangkangan 
makanya begonya gak ketulungan


-Original Message-
From: safin _blanc 
Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:40:18 
To: 
Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary
 festival over death threats

udah terjadi, lo bego amat sih..

amrik dan konco2 lo udah ngerusak irak..
sekarang mereka lagi siap2 di djibouti, entah mana lagi yg mau dikaconya.
sudan? somalia? yemen? eritherea? ethiopia? ato lebih jauh, masuk lwt pintu
belakang egypt, tunis, algeria, marocco..

di romania juga..
mau lebih ngerusak irak, iran afghan, ato mau ngusik russia?
sama russia blom dulu ah.., cuma bikin mereka kejepit aja...
pemanasan dulu ngelibas islam yg lembek..

di negeria ada kelompok perlawanan yg media barat nyebut terorist..
sebelum mereka melawan, keluarga dan kampungnya diratain dengan tanah gara2
ada pencuri didalamnya...
pencuri perlu dihukum, setuju.. itupun harus dipertimbangkan kondisi
ekonominya..
nah tunggu aja islam disana sebentar lagi dilibas juga..

pembayar pajak di amrik ikut biayain ini semua
juga negara2 nato kecuali romania yg kgak sanggup bayar
cuma kasi pantatnya utk di perkosa rame2 sama tentara amrik yg kata lonte
muskita wati cuma cuti disana...

bejat betul..
dan orang macam lo sebagai corong propaganda mereka merusak citra islam
supaya pembantaian islam jadi legitimate.
betul2 bejat!!! BEJAT!!!
DAN ORANG MACAM LO IKUT BAGIAN DIDLAM KONSPIRASI ITU..
kalo lo kgak tahu, itu pertanda lo memang bego..
lo, agar jelas, salah satu yg akan atopun sdh merusak keharmonisan di bumi
ini.



On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:07 AM, item abu  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hehehe non Islam boleh ngebantai orang Islam yg ngehina agama mereka
> apa kagak?
>
>
>
>
> From: safin _blanc 
> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:47 PM
>
> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
> literary festival over death threats
> >
> >demi hak azazi, lo bebas ngebantai islam dan orang islam di milis ini..
> >
> >demi hak azazi, salman rusdi berhak berak dimuka kalian berdua (item ama
> >bukan pedanda)
> >
> >ingat, tiap pagi, siang, malam, kalo si salman pengen berak, siaplah
> >jilatin pantatnya..
> >paham?
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM, item abu  wrote:
> >
> >> **
>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hehehe... gua ngebantai Islam dan orang Islam di milis ini koq.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: safin _blanc 
> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> >> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM
> >>
> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
> >> literary festival over death threats
> >> >
> >> >terserah lo.
> >> >memang cuma banci pengecut yg diam aja dihina orang lain.
> >> >
> >> >bukan pedanda itu belum jawab gimana kalau salman rusdi berak
> dimukanya...
> >> >entah marah, entah kesedapan.. kita semua kgak tau..
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:06 AM, item abu  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> **
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hehehe ... Salman Rushdie cuma bikin novel fiksi sesuai dgn apa yg
> ada
> >> di
> >> >> sumber Islam sendiri. Dianggap ngehina Islam.
> >> >>
> >> >> Krn Islam ngehina agama lain dan penganutnya, hrsnya orang Islam jg
> >> >> dibantai tuh.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> From: safin _blanc 
> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:18 AM
> >> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
> >> >> literary festival over death threats
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >lo boleh saja membela salman rusdi karena itu memang hak setiap
> orang
> >> utk
> >> >> >mengemukakan pendapat... sayangnya, pendapat si salman telah sangat
> >> >> >melampaui batas..
> >> >> >
> >> >> >supaya lo ngarti, pendapat dia itu seperti ibarat nya dia berak di
> muka
> >> >> >lo.. apa lo kgak marah, meskipun dia bilang berak itu hak azazi
> >> manusia..?
> >> >> >apa lo mau makan itu taik salman rusdi? kalo lo sebangsa babi, ya
> >> makanlah
> >> >> >itu..
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Bukan Pedanda <
> >> bukan.peda...@yahoo.com
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> **
> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Inilah Islam, agama yang hanya pantas untuk anjing dan binatang
> >> buas...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Dan masih ada orangt berotak anjign yang percaya Islam itu rahmat
> >> untuk
> >> >> >> ummat manusia...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death
> >> >> threats
> >> >> >> By Sara Sidner and Sumnima Udas, CNN
> >> >> >> January 20, 2012 -- Updated 1040 GMT (1840 HKT)
> >> >> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book
> >> >> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book "The
> Satanic
> >> >> >> Verses."
> >> >> >> STORY HIGHLIGHTS
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses," which sparked protests in
> Muslim

Re: [proletar] PRESIDEN PERTIMBANGKAN HARGA BBM NAIK

2012-01-21 Thread Roman Proteus is back 
Manusia berotak anjing dan bertuhan kepada anjing kayak si anjing budug bleki 
mana ngerti soal politik

Jadi menurut elo siapa yang pantes jadi presiden di masa depan?

Elo ya tem???

H ª ...h ª ...=D H ª ...h ª ...:D H ª ...h ª ...=D H ª ...h ª ...:D 


-Original Message-
From: item abu 
Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:06:55 
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [proletar] PRESIDEN PERTIMBANGKAN HARGA BBM NAIK

Hehehe... si ajeg ini lagi jilat pantat SBY yg dgn ga tau malunya ngaku udah 
nurunin harga BBM di perioda kepresidenannya yg pertama, padahal jelas2 BBM 
harganya naik di perioda tsb.
 
Dasar bajingan si ajeg ini, ga beda dgn SBY dan cecunguk2nya.
 

From: ajeg 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:09 PM
>Subject: Re: [proletar] PRESIDEN PERTIMBANGKAN HARGA BBM NAIK
>
>
>  
>
>Bener kan, si bleki itu homo. Semuanya serba nggak jelas. 
>Wajar setiap ngebacot dia selalu bilang "kalo ga salah". 
>
>Bukti kehomoannya yang lain, liat gaya dia nyubit SBY sambil 
>bilang, "Ga tau malu deh..." 
>
>--- item abu  wrote:
>
>> Waktu si SBY kampanye unt jadi presiden ke2xnya, si SBY ngakunya 
>> cuma di jaman pemerintahannya aja harga BBM itu bisa turun. Tp si 
>> SBY ini ga ngomong bhw harga BBM itu dinaikkan dulu sebelumnya, 
>> kalo ga salah dr sekitar 3800 ke 5000-6000. Baru belakangan 
>> diturunkan jadi sekitar 4500.
>> 
>> Ga tau malu deh si SBY ini, udah jelas2 di jaman pemerintahannya 
>> harga BBM itu naik, eh ngakunya turun. Ga beda dgn orang2 Islam 
>> plus plus di milis ini yg jg ngefitnah tanpa kenal malu, udah 
>> jelas2 fitnah, eh msh ga mau ngaku. 
>>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [proletar] Mas Sasis entah orat oret di mana,

2012-01-21 Thread Roman Proteus is back 
Kang Sur

Gong XI Fat Chai

Kionghi


-Original Message-
From: "suryana" 
Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 05:58:02 
To: 
Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [proletar] Mas Sasis entah orat oret di mana,

Mas Sasis orat oret di FB hanya ketika masuk ke wall nya malah gak ada, aneh 
juga.
sur.
++

Badra Mandrawata "QS 22:40
Sesungguhnya Allah pasti menolong ORANG YANG MENOLONGNYA" telah menhilangkan 
satu kata...yaitu (agama)arti sebenarnya QS 22:40 Sesungguhnya Allah pasti 
menolong orang yang menolong (agama)-Nya...Allah tidak pernah butuh 
pertolongansiapapun dan apapun,,,tujuan badra mandrawata adalah mencela 
dengan menghilangkan satu kata...org yg sngat memalukan...
about an hour ago ·
Setya Ananta Sis and 2 others like this.


Dewi HS Yang dikurungi itu apa ada dalam terjemahan aslinya?
about an hour ago

Budi Setiadi yups...
about an hour ago

Setya Ananta Sis Itu gak ada dalam bahasa Arabnya. Penerjemahnya sengaja 
menyisipkan. Biasa Islam memang begitu... ane udah apal... Khan dalam 
kalimat-2 Quran yg lain banyak kata-2 "menolong Allah dan Rasulnya... 
Gampang kok, tinggal search di teks Quran atau EQur'an... Kalau orang gak 
bisa bahasa Arab gampang ditipu... hehehe
about an hour ago

Budi Setiadi penafsiran Alquran di ajarkan aleh Rasulnya...jadi penafsiran 
itumemang sudah d ajarkan dari awalnya...ini bukan masalah gampang d 
tipu...tapi ini masalah tafsir...maka kembali lagi siapa yg 
menafsirkannya...anda...atau ahli agama kami...
about an hour ago

Dewi HS ?[kutip]"penafsiran Alquran di ajarkan aleh Rasulnya...jadi 
penafsiran itumemang sudah d ajarkan dari awalnya"

Logikanya aja sudah cacat. Dalam bahasa Arabnya jelas tidak ada kata 
(agama). Kata itu disusupkan oleh penerjemah Indonesia, lha bagaimana 
mungkin penafsirannya diajarkan oleh Rasulnya. Ga nyambung Bro. Pi
about an hour ago

Budi Setiadi klo anda membaca sebuah puisi logikanya puisi satu baris jadi 
berapa kalimat...anda punya kemampuan menalar tidak...saya punya sebuah 
puisi satu baris...anda baca...apa arti sesungguhnya anda pasti tau...yg 
paling tai ya pasti saya...yang paling tau isi Alquran selain Allah ya pasti 
Rasul yg menerima...selain tersurat kan ada yg tersirat...coba dong d baca 
seluruh Alquran...ada tersiratnya tidak...???
about an hour ago

Setya Ananta Sis Pak Budi ngawuuu
about an hour ago ·  1

Dewi HS ?Budi Setiadi, maaf Bro, dalam teks Arab dan Inggrisnya ga ada 
kurungannya ... maap ya...
about an hour ago

Hambalah Pohan ?Budi Setiadi, KOREKSI... QS Al-Hajj [22:40] SEHARUSNYA 
BERBUNYI :

[22:40] (yaitu) orang-orang yang telah diusir dari kampung halaman mereka 
tanpa alasan yang benar, kecuali karena mereka berkata: "Tuhan kami hanyalah 
Allah". Dan sekiranya Allah tiada menolak (keganasan) sebagian manusia 
dengan sebagian yang lain, tentulah telah dirobohkan biara-biara Nasrani, 
gereja-gereja, rumah-rumah ibadat orang Yahudi dan masjid-masjid, yang di 
dalamnya banyak disebut nama Allah. Sesungguhnya Allah pasti menolong orang 
yang menolong (agama)-Nya. Sesungguhnya Allah benar-benar Maha Kuat lagi 
Maha Perkasa
about an hour ago ·  1

Budi Setiadi ngawurnya pak...
about an hour ago

Dewi HS ?Hambalah Pohan, dalam bahasa Arabnya ada ga kata (agama) ?
about an hour ago

Setya Ananta Sis Kalau orang lain (nonIslam) baca bhw ada yg tersirat atau 
menafsirkan, maka tafsiran itu pasti dianggap sisipan yg tidak sah. Tapi 
tukang tafsir dengan seenaknya menyisipkan kata-2 apapun yg mereka 
kehendaki. Terbukti lagi, pak budi gak tau bahwa kata-2 itu gak ada dalam 
teks aslinya. weleh weleh
about an hour ago ·  2

Budi Setiadi nah ku tanya...dalam bahasa arab...ada arti Allah nggak...??
about an hour ago

Siluman Silumun Silamet heheh ..iya ngawur ...situkan nulis ...yg paling tau 
arti sesungguhnya kan situ ...pengarangnya ...jadi yg paling tau alquran 
juga pengarangnya dunk ...hahah ...siapa sih yg mengarang alquran ..Budi 
Setiadi? ...heheh ...
about an hour ago ·  2

Setya Ananta Sis Saya bilang tidak ada Dari mana ada kata "Agama" itu? 
Ayo, jelasin dong pake Nahwu dan Sharaf Khan sampeyan peyakin Islam?
about an hour ago

Setya Ananta Sis
Nah biar gak rame-rame, ini saya copas selengkapnya [22.40] (yaitu) 
orang-orang yang telah diusir dari kampung halaman mereka tanpa alasan yang 
benar, kecuali karena mereka berkata: "Tuhan kami hanyalah Allah". Dan 
sekiranya Allah tiada menolak (keganasan) sebagian manusia dengan sebagian 
yang lain, tentulah telah dirobohkan biara-biara Nasrani, gereja-gereja, 
rumah-rumah ibadah orang Yahudi dan mesjid-mesjid, yang di dalamnya banyak 
disebut nama Allah. Sesungguhnya Allah pasti menolong orang yang menolong 
(agama) -Nya. Sesungguhnya Allah benar-benar Maha Kuat lagi Maha 
Perkasa. Disisipi (agama)
about an hour ago

Budi Setiadi aku bilang penerima Alquran bukan pengarang...dari penerima 
kemudian d ajarkan turun temurun sampai sekarang...kira2 logikanya akan 
banyak perbedaan

Re: [proletar] Re: Germany: Muslim Kills His Girlfriend's Unborn Baby Because She Saw Male Doctor

2012-01-21 Thread Roman Proteus is back 
Yah kalau tuhannya itu anjing, maka komentar manusia berotak anjing memang 
seperti kayak dibawah ini


-Original Message-
From: "muskitawati" 
Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:30:25 
To: 
Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [proletar] Re: Germany: Muslim Kills His Girlfriend's Unborn Baby 
Because She Saw Male Doctor

Ini merupakan bukti lagi bahwa ajaran Islam memang biadab dan tidak seharusnya 
ajaran agama ini dibolehkan untuk dipraktekkan di semua negara2 maju.

Islam bukan mendidik yang jahat jadi baik tetapi mendidik yang baik menjadi 
jahat.

Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.









--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Orang Islam yg soleh ini ga terima ceweknya diperiksa oleh dokter cowok, lalu 
> si orang Islam ini ngegebukin ceweknya sampe si cewek keguguran.
> Hehehe... tentunya orang Islam ini soleh krn ga mau ceweknya diperiksa dokter 
> cowok. Tp kan hrsnya yg pertama2 digebukin itu adalah dirinya yg udah zinah 
> dan ngehamilin ceweknya.
>  
> Wednesday, 18 January 2012
> Germany: Muslim Kills His Girlfriend's Unborn Baby Because She Saw Male 
> Doctor 
> 09:19 | Posted by Cheradenine Zakalwe 
> 
> A Muslim punches his pregnant girlfriend several times in the abdomen because 
> she was examined by a male doctor.
>   
> Thanks to the heavy punches the unborn baby suffered cerebral haemorrhages 
> while still in its mother's womb. It was possible for it to be delivered 
> later through emergency Caesarian section, but it died of its serious 
> injuries two days later in the hospital. 
> >
> >As the child was not born at the time of the action, the indictment against 
> >the 21-year-old refers only to "abortion" and not to murder. 
> >
> >The starting point for the fateful event was a routine gynaecological 
> >examination of the pregnant woman. As the female doctor who was usually 
> >responsible for her was on holiday, the examination was performed by a male 
> >substitute on an exceptional basis. For the then 20-year-old boyfriend of 
> >the heavily pregnant woman, a practising Muslim, this was horrific. 
> >
> >When the Rheine resident learned of the examination by the doctor, a major 
> >row broke out between the couple. In this the perpetrator is said to have 
> >struck his seven-month pregnant girlfriend forcefully several times in the 
> >abdomen, so that she had to be taken to a hospital, where the foetus died 
> >after an emergency birth. Source: Web.de
> 
> UPDATE: The Muslim got 2 years and 9 months for this. His name is Ahmad 
> Sherzai, of Afghan origin but with German citizenship. His girlfriend was of 
> German origin and from a Catholic family. 
> 
> Both Sherzai and his father ("a devout family") have had a long history of 
> trouble with the police. Why are our governments allowing these savages into 
> our countries then not deporting them when their criminality is proven?
> 
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>





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Re: [proletar] Re: Germany: Muslim Kills His Girlfriend's Unborn Baby Because She Saw Male Doctor

2012-01-21 Thread Roman Proteus is back 
Muskitawati itu manusia berotak anjing, seorang pembohong yang ngaku2 bernama 
Hafsah Salim lalu ganti nama menjadi Muslim Muskitawati, ngaku2 Phd padahal 
Physically Brain Damage


-Original Message-
From: safin _blanc 
Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:58:24 
To: 
Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Germany: Muslim Kills His Girlfriend's Unborn Baby
 Because She Saw Male Doctor

inilah bukti bahwa lo berdua demen sekali ngebesarin kesalahan orang
menjadi kesalahan islam..
belum cukup justifikasi utk melibas habis semua orang islam? belum cukup
banyak drone dibuat utk ngebantai orang islam dan meneror wanita dan anak2?

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:30 PM, muskitawati  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Ini merupakan bukti lagi bahwa ajaran Islam memang biadab dan tidak
> seharusnya ajaran agama ini dibolehkan untuk dipraktekkan di semua negara2
> maju.
>
> Islam bukan mendidik yang jahat jadi baik tetapi mendidik yang baik
> menjadi jahat.
>
=
bullshit!

>
> Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.
>
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > Orang Islam yg soleh ini ga terima ceweknya diperiksa oleh dokter cowok,
> lalu si orang Islam ini ngegebukin ceweknya sampe si cewek keguguran.
> > Hehehe... tentunya orang Islam ini soleh krn ga mau ceweknya diperiksa
> dokter cowok. Tp kan hrsnya yg pertama2 digebukin itu adalah dirinya yg
> udah zinah dan ngehamilin ceweknya.
> >
> > Wednesday, 18 January 2012
> > Germany: Muslim Kills His Girlfriend's Unborn Baby Because She Saw Male
> Doctor
> > 09:19 | Posted by Cheradenine Zakalwe
> >
> > A Muslim punches his pregnant girlfriend several times in the abdomen
> because she was examined by a male doctor.
> >
> > Thanks to the heavy punches the unborn baby suffered cerebral
> haemorrhages while still in its mother's womb. It was possible for it to be
> delivered later through emergency Caesarian section, but it died of its
> serious injuries two days later in the hospital.
> > >
> > >As the child was not born at the time of the action, the indictment
> against the 21-year-old refers only to "abortion" and not to murder.
> > >
> > >The starting point for the fateful event was a routine gynaecological
> examination of the pregnant woman. As the female doctor who was usually
> responsible for her was on holiday, the examination was performed by a male
> substitute on an exceptional basis. For the then 20-year-old boyfriend of
> the heavily pregnant woman, a practising Muslim, this was horrific.
> > >
> > >When the Rheine resident learned of the examination by the doctor, a
> major row broke out between the couple. In this the perpetrator is said to
> have struck his seven-month pregnant girlfriend forcefully several times in
> the abdomen, so that she had to be taken to a hospital, where the foetus
> died after an emergency birth. Source: Web.de
> >
> > UPDATE: The Muslim got 2 years and 9 months for this. His name is Ahmad
> Sherzai, of Afghan origin but with German citizenship. His girlfriend was
> of German origin and from a Catholic family.
> >
> > Both Sherzai and his father ("a devout family") have had a long history
> of trouble with the police. Why are our governments allowing these savages
> into our countries then not deporting them when their criminality is proven?
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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[proletar] homo kocok

2012-01-21 Thread ajeg 

Gaya banci rombeng tentu aja lucu selalu. 

Dia kira orang bakal sakit hati & marah dikomporin 
sepanas ini. 

Padahal, hehe.. orang-orang mah ketawa doang nontonin 
homo alamiah itu sibuk ngocok tititnya, "kalo ga salah.. 
kalo ga salah.. aaahh." 

Kocokan yang kocak bukan? 

--- item abu  wrote:

> Perang antara Belanda dgn Sisingamangaraja itu kalo ga salah krn 
> Sisingamangaraja ga suka dgn Nordmensen yg nyebarrn Kristen, 
> sedangkan orang Batak waktu itu penganut animisme dan mash jadi 
> kanibal.
>  
> Kalo ulama Islam nyerang dan merkosa orang Batak sih, itu cuma krn 
> Islam yg ngajarin begitu, lihat aja contoh dr nabi dan sobat2nya yg 
> ngebantai kafir dan merkosa ceweknya.
>  
> > From: David Silalahi  
> >
> > 
>







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Re: [proletar] Tempo: PNS Penganut Atheis Hampir Diamuk Massa

2012-01-21 Thread ajeg 

Betul, blanda memang tukang adu domba. 

Lucunya lagi sampe sekarang masih ada aja domba-domba 
yang mau diadu pake isu agama. 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/270303

Di sini terutama bleki si domba bau yang homo bejat itu. 
Ngebacot orang lain harus mati tapi takut ngebunuh, alias 
banci rombeng sialan. 

Makanya cocok dia jadi kacung si uplik yang keblanda-blandaan. 

--- David Silalahi  wrote:

> ralat
> 
> 2012/1/22 David Silalahi 
> 
> > ini benar.
> > pada perang padri terjadi pembantaian terhadap orang batak. 
> > pembantaian ini terjadi atas nama agama dan memanfaatkan perang 
> > antara orang batak dengan orang belanda, walaupun sebetulnya 
> > orang BELANDA yang memanfaatkan orang minang untuk membantai 
> > orang batak, krn belanda tahu bahwa salah seorang pemimpin padri 
> > memiliki hubungan kekeluargaan DENGAN sisingamangaraja jadi bisa 
> > dimanfaatkan untuk menyerang kelemahannya sisimangaraja.
> >  






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Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over

2012-01-21 Thread ajeg 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/332539

Homo ribet lu blek. 

--- item abu  wrote:

> Lu ini aja yg dungu ga ngerti apa yg gua bilang, atau lu mlintir2 
> omongan gua. Kapan gua bilang mau ngebantai lu secara fisik?
>  
> Orang yg punya otak jg tau bhw yg bisa dan mau ngebantai orang lain 
> adalah orang Islam.
>  
> 
> From: ajeg 
>
> > Yeah, ngayal terus. 
> >
> > Bulan lalu lu ngebacot mau bunuh gua.. Mana? 
> > Ayo buktiin. 
> >
> > Boleh aja lu merasa ngebantai orang di sini. 
> > Tapi tentu aja itu cuma "kalo ga salah". 
> > Sebab, di mata orang-orang mah elu lagi sibuk 
> > ngeloco. 
> >
> > Gak salah lagi. 
> >
> > --- item abu  wrote:
> >
> > > Hehehe... gua ngebantai Islam dan orang Islam di milis ini koq.
> > > 
> > > 






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Re: [proletar] PRESIDEN PERTIMBANGKAN HARGA BBM NAIK

2012-01-21 Thread ajeg 

Gua mah dari dulu dah bilang SBY tukang tipu. 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/207482

Emangnya elu pake cubit-cubitan segala: "Ga tau malu deh si SBY 
ini" ... 

Dasar homo lu. 

--- item abu  wrote:

> Hehehe... si ajeg ini lagi jilat pantat SBY yg dgn ga tau malunya 
> ngaku udah nurunin harga BBM di perioda kepresidenannya yg pertama, 
> padahal jelas2 BBM harganya naik di perioda tsb.
>  
> Dasar bajingan si ajeg ini, ga beda dgn SBY dan cecunguk2nya.
>  
> 
> From: ajeg 
> 
> > Bener kan, si bleki itu homo. Semuanya serba nggak jelas. 
> > Wajar setiap ngebacot dia selalu bilang "kalo ga salah". 
> >
> > Bukti kehomoannya yang lain, liat gaya dia nyubit SBY sambil 
> > bilang, "Ga tau malu deh..." 
> >
> > --- item abu  wrote:
> >
> > > Waktu si SBY kampanye unt jadi presiden ke2xnya, si SBY 
> > > ngakunya cuma di jaman pemerintahannya aja harga BBM itu bisa 
> > > turun. Tp si SBY ini ga ngomong bhw harga BBM itu dinaikkan 
> > > dulu sebelumnya, kalo ga salah dr sekitar 3800 ke 5000-6000. 
> > > Baru belakangan diturunkan jadi sekitar 4500.
> > > 
> > > Ga tau malu deh si SBY ini, udah jelas2 di jaman 
> > > pemerintahannya harga BBM itu naik, eh ngakunya turun. Ga beda 
> > > dgn orang2 Islam plus plus di milis ini yg jg ngefitnah tanpa 
> > > kenal malu, udah jelas2 fitnah, eh msh ga mau ngaku. 
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






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Re: [proletar] Orang Islam (Dipo yang sedeng berat dan QS 76:19)

2012-01-21 Thread ajeg 

Beginilah tukang ngayal yang rajin ngeloco.

Gua sih bukan mau ngajarin lu soal qur'an, tapi ngetawain logika 
dengkul lu yang kewalahan nangkep kalimat panjang maupun pendek. 
Singkatnya, kedunguan lu kelewat tolol.

Itu sebabnya lu gak mampu nangkep maksud kalimat panjang ini yang 
intinya sebagai pegangan kaum perempuan dalam pergaulan dengan 
laki-laki yang bukan kerabat, antara lain dengan tidak menampakkan 
perhiasannya. 

Artinya, memperlihatkan perhiasan yang dipake aja perlu dihindari, 
apalagi pamerin bagian badan ke lawan jenis yang bukan kerabat lebih-
lebih yang sudah mengerti aurat perempuan. 

Elu pasti nggak paham hubungan antara perhiasan yang dipake dan 
aurat perempuan, karena urat lu taunya cuma lobang pantat si uplik. 

Buktinya, kalimat soal pergaulan laki-perempuan sejelas itu tetep lu 
tangkep sebatas "ngomongin orang gay atau kasim/bencong". 

Bener-bener homo alamiah lu blek.

Gak salah lagi. 


--- item abu  wrote:

> Gua yakin si ajeg ini ga tau ada ayat 24:31 ini yg ngomongin orang 
> gay atau kasim/bencong.
> 
> 24:31. Katakanlah kepada wanita yang beriman: "Hendaklah mereka 
> menahan pandangannya, dan kemaluannya, dan janganlah mereka 
> menampakkan perhiasannya, kecuali yang (biasa) nampak dari padanya. 
> Dan hendaklah mereka menutupkan kain kudung kedadanya, dan 
> janganlah menampakkan perhiasannya kecuali kepada suami mereka, 
> atau ayah mereka, atau ayah suami mereka, atau putera-putera 
> mereka, atau putera-putera suami mereka, atau saudara-saudara 
> laki-laki mereka, atau putera-putera saudara lelaki mereka, atau 
> putera-putera saudara perempuan mereka, atau wanita-wanita islam, 
> atau budak-budak yang mereka miliki, atau pelayan-pelayan laki-laki 
> yang tidak mempunyai keinginan (terhadap wanita) atau anak-anak 
> yang belum mengerti tentang aurat wanita. Dan janganlah mereka 
> memukulkan kakinyua agar diketahui perhiasan yang mereka 
> sembunyikan. Dan bertaubatlah kamu sekalian kepada Allah, hai 
> orang-orang yang beriman supaya kamu beruntung.
>  
> Di sini cuma diomongin cewek yg boleh nunjukin auratnya ke orang 
> gay atau kasim, pertanyaannya adalah apakah majikan cowok bisa 
> ngembat budak gay atau kasim? Apa cowok Islam bisa beli cowok 
> gay/kasim pake harta spt beli cewek PSK unt short time spt yg 
> dihalalkan di 4:24-25?
> 
> Kalo ngeliat praktek di Afgan di mana orang Islam doyan ngembatin 
> ABG cowok yg dipermak jadi gay, atau praktek orang2 kaya di jaman 
> keemasan Islam yg doyan piara kasim unt diembat tanpa ulama ngambil 
> tindakan atas praktek itu, maka bisa kita simpulkan bhw syariat 
> iblis itu emang ngehalalin ngembat cowok kasim/gay yg halal.
> 
> From: ajeg 
> 
> > Bagus. 
> >
> > Si bleki akhirnya ngaku pengkhayal yang gak tau apa-apa & 
> > gak yakin sama bacotannya sendiri, makanya dia selalu bilang 
> > "kalo ga salah". 
> >
> > Soal pantatnya yang diobrak-abrik pastur memang dia belum ngaku. 
> >
> > Perlu sabar nunggu pengakuan bleki. 
> >
> > Tapi, besar juga kemungkinan dia bantah begini: "pantat gua masih 
> > tingting nih, kalo ga salah" ... 
> > 
> > --- item abu  wrote:
> >
> > > Hehehe... jadi Quran ga ngelarang ngembat lobang pantat, 
> > > termasuk lobang pantat cowok atau jg lobang pantat binatang. 
> > > Berarti halal tuh.
> > >  
> > > Kalo si ajeg ini tahu Quran, dia pasti tahu ayat mana yg gua 
> > > maksudkan, tp dia kagak tau apa2, makanya dia cuma bisa kaing2 
> > > soal gua pake kata "kalo ga salah". Menyedihkan sekali melihat 
> > > orang Islam ga tau apa2 ttg Islam, tp malahan jd pembela Islam. 
> > > Betul2 dungu orang kayak gitu.
> > >  
> > > 






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Re: [proletar] PRESIDEN PERTIMBANGKAN HARGA BBM NAIK

2012-01-21 Thread suryana 
Hehehehe bahasanya si abu ireng beneran lebay ke homo banget.
Pantesan cocok banget berpasangan dengan si uplik sama sama homo gak laku.
Hanya bencong yg bicara nya gak pernah pasti, maklum punya 2 kemaluan titit 
sama lobang pantat.

- Original Message - 
From: "ajeg" 


>
> Bener kan, si bleki itu homo. Semuanya serba nggak jelas.
> Wajar setiap ngebacot dia selalu bilang "kalo ga salah".
>
> Bukti kehomoannya yang lain, liat gaya dia nyubit SBY sambil
> bilang, "Ga tau malu deh..."
>
> --- item abu  wrote:
>
>> Waktu si SBY kampanye unt jadi presiden ke2xnya, si SBY ngakunya
>> cuma di jaman pemerintahannya aja harga BBM itu bisa turun. Tp si
>> SBY ini ga ngomong bhw harga BBM itu dinaikkan dulu sebelumnya,
>> kalo ga salah dr sekitar 3800 ke 5000-6000. Baru belakangan
>> diturunkan jadi sekitar 4500.
>>
>> Ga tau malu deh si SBY ini, udah jelas2 di jaman pemerintahannya
>> harga BBM itu naik, eh ngakunya turun. Ga beda dgn orang2 Islam
>> plus plus di milis ini yg jg ngefitnah tanpa kenal malu, udah





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Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death threats

2012-01-21 Thread suryana 
Di Afrika Amerika kejendol oleh Amerika, sesudah dibuat sungsang sumbel 
negara negara di Afrika dengan harapan bisa nyedot minyak, alih alih malah 
Cina yg kebagian jatah.

Amerika mau tidak mau akan berusaha membuat perang, tanpa perang ekonomi 
Amerika menjadi stagnan, sedang hasil tambang dari Freeport tidak bisa di 
uar besar besar an, keder ketahuan belangnya dah nyedot diluar batas wajar.

eniwe diskusi semodel beginian sama si ireng dan si uplik mah gak bakalan 
nyambung, mereka mah diskusinya gak pernah jauh dari lubang pantat dan titit 
titit kicit yg si uplik 8~o si ireng 8-o kasihan kan.

- Original Message - 
From: "safin _blanc" 

> udah terjadi, lo bego amat sih..
>
> amrik dan konco2 lo udah ngerusak irak..
> sekarang mereka lagi siap2 di djibouti, entah mana lagi yg mau dikaconya.
> sudan? somalia? yemen? eritherea? ethiopia? ato lebih jauh, masuk lwt 
> pintu
> belakang egypt, tunis, algeria, marocco..
>
> di romania juga..
> mau lebih ngerusak irak, iran afghan, ato mau ngusik russia?
> sama russia blom dulu ah.., cuma bikin mereka kejepit aja...
> pemanasan dulu ngelibas islam yg lembek..
>
> di negeria ada kelompok perlawanan yg media barat nyebut terorist..
> sebelum mereka melawan, keluarga dan kampungnya diratain dengan tanah 
> gara2
> ada pencuri didalamnya...
> pencuri perlu dihukum, setuju.. itupun harus dipertimbangkan kondisi
> ekonominya..
> nah tunggu aja islam disana sebentar lagi dilibas juga..
>
> pembayar pajak di amrik ikut biayain ini semua
> juga negara2 nato kecuali romania yg kgak sanggup bayar
> cuma kasi pantatnya utk di perkosa rame2 sama tentara amrik yg kata lonte
> muskita wati cuma cuti disana...
>
> bejat betul..
> dan orang macam lo sebagai corong propaganda mereka merusak citra islam
> supaya pembantaian islam jadi legitimate.
> betul2 bejat!!! BEJAT!!!
> DAN ORANG MACAM LO IKUT BAGIAN DIDLAM KONSPIRASI ITU..
> kalo lo kgak tahu, itu pertanda lo memang bego..
> lo, agar jelas, salah satu yg akan atopun sdh merusak keharmonisan di bumi
> ini.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:07 AM, item abu  wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Hehehe non Islam boleh ngebantai orang Islam yg ngehina agama mereka
>> apa kagak?
>> 





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[proletar] Re: Gangs and middlemen exploit market of hiring housemaids

2012-01-21 Thread Abbas 
Dan yang memaki tkw sampah, adalah si debil idiot itemabu
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Orang2 Indonesia yg ngirim tkw itu umumnya orang Arab, dan tentunya mereka 
> itu orang Islam, hehehe
>  
> 
> From: Sunny 
> >To: Undisclosed-Recipient@... 
> >Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:07 PM
> >Subject: [proletar] Gangs and middlemen exploit market of hiring housemaids
> >
> >
> >  
> >Refl: Bagaimana dengan misi Dr Habibie, mantan presiden NKRI, yang diberi 
> >tugas istimewa oleh SBY untuk menyelamatkan TKW dari hukuman mati di Arab 
> >Saudia. Tidak ada berita selain Habibie menyerahkan riwayat hidupnya kepada 
> >pangeran Alaweed. Sudah hampir satu bulan lamanya misinya itu, belum ada 
> >khabar jelas hasilnya. Apakah masih terus berunding ataukah gagal misi tsb 
> >dalam arti tidak diharaukan oleh pemerintah Arab Saudia? 
> >
> >Tentu saja seperti berita di bawah ini bahwa gangster dan pengatara 
> >mengexploatasi TKW. Tetapi, barangkali juga tidak boleh dilupakan bahwa 
> >pemerintah NKRI juga mempunyai peranan istimewa sebagai sponsor “legal 
> >human trafficking” untuk mengirim berbondong tenaga kerja tanpa 
> >perlindungan hukum sepatutnya, demi untuk mengurangangi tekanan pengangguran 
> >terhadap beleid politik penenpatan tenaga kerja dalam negeri dan pada juga 
> >pada lain pihak untuk mendapat tambahan devisa, TKW/TKI dengan bangga oleh 
> >penguasa rezim diberi gelar pahlawan devisa selama ini (kurang lebih 40 
> >tahun).
> >
> >http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article565952.ece
> >Gangs and middlemen exploit market of hiring housemaids
> >
> >Many maids come without knowledge or experience and they are asked to 
> >pretend that they had this knowledge and experience and show good manners in 
> >the first three months.
> >
> >By ALI BLUWI | ARAB NEWS 
> >
> >Published: Jan 20, 2012 23:30 Updated: Jan 20, 2012 23:30 
> >
> >RIYADH: After years of refusing to consider having a maid in my house, I 
> >finally gave in. I hired a maid after I did what was possible to avoid this 
> >choice for several reasons. First, I do not know this new human being and 
> >would find it hard to accept her as part of my household. Second, I do not 
> >like injustice and tyranny to be inflicted on myself; therefore it is 
> >equally difficult for me to accept it when it touches others. That said, I 
> >had to give in. I tried my best to be accurate and lucky in my choices. At 
> >the beginning, I naively thought that the market is economic and based on 
> >service for a service. I thought that those maids coming from Asia were 
> >looking for two things. First, to find families that are fair; and second, 
> >to receive their wages in full.
> >
> >Yet, this rosy picture faded away when I made the first mistake. The 
> >employment office was not able to transfer the sponsorship quickly enough 
> >after I paid in full all required amounts of money and even more. The owner 
> >of the office used different reasons for this slowdown. After he realized 
> >that I might file a complaint against him he tried to blackmail me. He said 
> >that he would file a complaint claiming I had hosted a fleeing maid! It is 
> >then when I felt let down. Luckily enough, one lawyer was aware of these 
> >kinds of fraud offices. This took place before employment offices became 
> >monitored. Furthermore, the lawyer told me that many maids came from Asia 
> >without knowledge or experience. They are asked to pretend that they had 
> >this knowledge and experience and show good manners in the first three 
> >months. This three-month trial period is important because during this 
> >period the employment office is accountable and after that it is the 
> >responsibility of
>  the hosting family. I asked how this could happen especially when states 
> deal with each other according to agreements. Also embassies are there! Yet 
> some are good at being fraudulent. Furthermore, the cost of hiring a maid 
> through these offices is extremely high and it would be much better if we are 
> allowed to hire maids directly. The lawyer called the employment office and 
> he managed to verify his identity. This office deals with fleeing maids. He 
> said the market of maids is spread not only in the Gulf but also in Asia. 
> Many maids lose their organs in these countries because of their dealing with 
> fraudulent gangs.
> >
> >Despite all strict procedures, this phenomenon is not coming to an end 
> >easily. Some maids are asked to stay for four months and then ask for 
> >permission to travel to see their families. When they fail to show up again, 
> >the employment office has a legal argument that its responsibility is 
> >limited to the first three months, the trial period. What happens to the 
> >maid that pushes her to change entirely after this period? Losses are high, 
> >the office takes all of its fees but the family suffers financially alone. 
> >According to studies, the losses of Saudi families due to the phenome

[proletar] Re: Orang Islam (Dipo yang sedeng berat dan QS 76:19)

2012-01-21 Thread Abbas 
si debil idiot ini menggarapkan adanya kebebasan dalam berhomo ria !

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Gua yakin si ajeg ini ga tau ada ayat 24:31 ini yg ngomongin orang gay atau 
> kasim/bencong.
>  
> 24:31. Katakanlah kepada wanita yang beriman: "Hendaklah mereka menahan 
> pandangannya, dan kemaluannya, dan janganlah mereka menampakkan perhiasannya, 
> kecuali yang (biasa) nampak dari padanya. Dan hendaklah mereka menutupkan 
> kain kudung kedadanya, dan janganlah menampakkan perhiasannya kecuali kepada 
> suami mereka, atau ayah mereka, atau ayah suami mereka, atau putera-putera 
> mereka, atau putera-putera suami mereka, atau saudara-saudara laki-laki 
> mereka, atau putera-putera saudara lelaki mereka, atau putera-putera saudara 
> perempuan mereka, atau wanita-wanita islam, atau budak-budak yang mereka 
> miliki, atau pelayan-pelayan laki-laki yang tidak mempunyai keinginan 
> (terhadap wanita) atau anak-anak yang belum mengerti tentang aurat wanita. 
> Dan janganlah mereka memukulkan kakinyua agar diketahui perhiasan yang mereka 
> sembunyikan. Dan bertaubatlah kamu sekalian kepada Allah, hai orang-orang 
> yang beriman supaya kamu beruntung.
>  
> Di sini cuma diomongin cewek yg boleh nunjukin auratnya ke orang gay atau 
> kasim, pertanyaannya adalah apakah majikan cowok bisa ngembat budak gay atau 
> kasim? Apa cowok Islam bisa beli cowok gay/kasim pake harta spt beli cewek 
> PSK unt short time spt yg dihalalkan di 4:24-25?
>  
> Kalo ngeliat praktek di Afgan di mana orang Islam doyan ngembatin ABG cowok 
> yg dipermak jadi gay, atau praktek orang2 kaya di jaman keemasan Islam yg 
> doyan piara kasim unt diembat tanpa ulama ngambil tindakan atas praktek itu, 
> maka bisa kita simpulkan bhw syariat iblis itu emang ngehalalin ngembat cowok 
> kasim/gay yg halal.
>  
>  
> 
> From: ajeg 
> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 PM
> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Orang Islam (Dipo yang sedeng berat dan QS 76:19)
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >Bagus. 
> >
> >Si bleki akhirnya ngaku pengkhayal yang gak tau apa-apa & 
> >gak yakin sama bacotannya sendiri, makanya dia selalu bilang 
> >"kalo ga salah". 
> >
> >Soal pantatnya yang diobrak-abrik pastur memang dia belum ngaku. 
> >
> >Perlu sabar nunggu pengakuan bleki. 
> >
> >Tapi, besar juga kemungkinan dia bantah begini: "pantat gua masih 
> >tingting nih, kalo ga salah" ... 
> >
> >--- item abu  wrote:
> >
> >> Hehehe... jadi Quran ga ngelarang ngembat lobang pantat, termasuk 
> >> lobang pantat cowok atau jg lobang pantat binatang. Berarti halal 
> >> tuh.
> >>  
> >> Kalo si ajeg ini tahu Quran, dia pasti tahu ayat mana yg gua 
> >> maksudkan, tp dia kagak tau apa2, makanya dia cuma bisa kaing2 soal 
> >> gua pake kata "kalo ga salah". Menyedihkan sekali melihat orang 
> >> Islam ga tau apa2 ttg Islam, tp malahan jd pembela Islam. Betul2 
> >> dungu orang kayak gitu.
> >>  
> >> 
> >> From: ajeg 
> >> >
> >> > --- Musik hari Ini  wrote:
> >> > > 
> >> > > From: item abu 
> >> > > 
> >> > > > Di mana Quran bilang ngembat lobang pantat cowok itu 
> >> > > > dilarang? 
> >> > > 
> >> > > 
> >> > > Faham omongan Dipo 
> >> >
> >> > Buat si tolol itu nggak ada larangan berarti harus. Pantes dia 
> >> > nurut aja diembatin sama pasturnya. 
> >> >
> >> > > 
> >> > > > Kagak ada tuh.
> >> > > > Sebaliknya Quran bilang orang Islam bisa nunjukin kontolnya 
> >> > > > ke cowok yg ga doyan cewek kalo ga salah. 
> >> >
> >> > Dasar bleki tukang ngayal, kaing-kaing galak taunya cuma "kalo ga 
> >> > salah" doang. 
> >> >
> >> > Kebanyakan ngemut titit uplik si raja ngigo. 
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> 
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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[proletar] Re: CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death threats

2012-01-21 Thread Abbas 
Pertanyaan yang paling goblok yang aku pernah denger !
Dasar idiot ! Sekali idiot tetap idiot !


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Hehehe non Islam boleh ngebantai orang Islam yg ngehina agama mereka apa 
> kagak?
>  
>  
> 
> From: safin _blanc 
> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:47 PM
> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary 
> >festival over death threats
> >
> >demi hak azazi, lo bebas ngebantai islam dan orang islam di milis ini..
> >
> >demi hak azazi, salman rusdi berhak berak dimuka kalian berdua (item ama
> >bukan pedanda)
> >
> >ingat, tiap pagi, siang, malam, kalo si salman pengen berak, siaplah
> >jilatin pantatnya..
> >paham?
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM, item abu  wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> Hehehe... gua ngebantai Islam dan orang Islam di milis ini koq.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: safin _blanc 
> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> >> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM
> >>
> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
> >> literary festival over death threats
> >> >
> >> >terserah lo.
> >> >memang cuma banci pengecut yg diam aja dihina orang lain.
> >> >
> >> >bukan pedanda itu belum jawab gimana kalau salman rusdi berak dimukanya...
> >> >entah marah, entah kesedapan.. kita semua kgak tau..
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:06 AM, item abu  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> **
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hehehe ... Salman Rushdie cuma bikin novel fiksi sesuai dgn apa yg ada
> >> di
> >> >> sumber Islam sendiri. Dianggap ngehina Islam.
> >> >>
> >> >> Krn Islam ngehina agama lain dan penganutnya, hrsnya orang Islam jg
> >> >> dibantai tuh.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> From: safin _blanc 
> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:18 AM
> >> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
> >> >> literary festival over death threats
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >lo boleh saja membela salman rusdi karena itu memang hak setiap orang
> >> utk
> >> >> >mengemukakan pendapat... sayangnya, pendapat si salman telah sangat
> >> >> >melampaui batas..
> >> >> >
> >> >> >supaya lo ngarti, pendapat dia itu seperti ibarat nya dia berak di muka
> >> >> >lo.. apa lo kgak marah, meskipun dia bilang berak itu hak azazi
> >> manusia..?
> >> >> >apa lo mau makan itu taik salman rusdi? kalo lo sebangsa babi, ya
> >> makanlah
> >> >> >itu..
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Bukan Pedanda <
> >> bukan.pedanda@...
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> **
> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Inilah Islam, agama yang hanya pantas untuk anjing dan binatang
> >> buas...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Dan masih ada orangt berotak anjign yang percaya Islam itu rahmat
> >> untuk
> >> >> >> ummat manusia...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death
> >> >> threats
> >> >> >> By Sara Sidner and Sumnima Udas, CNN
> >> >> >> January 20, 2012 -- Updated 1040 GMT (1840 HKT)
> >> >> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book
> >> >> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book "The Satanic
> >> >> >> Verses."
> >> >> >> STORY HIGHLIGHTS
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses," which sparked protests in Muslim
> >> >> world
> >> >> >> Author: "Paid assassins from Mumbai underworld" may be planning
> >> attacks
> >> >> on
> >> >> >> him
> >> >> >> Rushdie has faced threats before
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jaipur, India (CNN) -- British author Salman Rushdie on Friday
> >> canceled
> >> >> >> his appearance at the Jaipur literary festival in India following
> >> >> warnings
> >> >> >> of threats to his life.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "I have now been informed by intelligence sources in Maharashtra and
> >> >> >> Rajasthan that paid assassins from the Mumbai underworld may be on
> >> their
> >> >> >> way to Jaipur to 'eliminate' me," Rushdie said in a statement.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "While I have some doubts about the accuracy of this intelligence, it
> >> >> >> would be irresponsible of me to come to the festival in such
> >> >> circumstances;
> >> >> >> irresponsible to my family, to the festival audience, and to my
> >> fellow
> >> >> >> writers. I will therefore not travel to Jaipur as planned."
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Rushdie, who was born in Mumbai, India, in 1947, has faced threats
> >> >> before.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The writer rose to international notoriety with his 1980s novel, "The
> >> >> >> Satanic Verses," which stirred protests throughout the Muslim world.
> >> >> >> Rushdie lived under protection in Britain for nearly 10 years after a
> >> >> >> fatwa, a death sentence, was issued against him by Iran's
> >> then-Supreme
> >> >> >> Leader Ayatollah Khomeini.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Khomeini considered lines in the book as blasphemous against Islam.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>

Re: [proletar] Homoerotik?

2012-01-21 Thread safin _blanc 
jorok!
contoh buruk lo bilang ajaran islam, lo pefitnah yg kelewat batas!

lo sudah makan berak salman rusdi?


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:48 AM, item abu  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Ternyata di banyak negara bersyariat iblis, praktek ngembat cowok muda
> oleh cowok Islam itu ga dianggap sbg praktek homoseksual, tp hanya sekedar
> nyalurin nafsu ngembat lobang pantat cowok doang. Yg ngembat itu ga merasa
> sbg gay, cuma merasa sbg orang Islam bergengsi tinggi krn bisa ngembat
> cowok ABG yg ga jenggotan.
>
> Itulah yg disebut homoerotik.
>
> Padahal, hehehe... kalo orang ngebet ke cowok ABG lalu nyodomi si cowok,
> apa tu orang bukan gay? Dan jg apa tu orang bukan pedophile, krn ABG yg
> diembat itu bisa aja msh di bawah umur.
>
> Mungkin aja sih ybs ga bisa disebut gay, krn dia ga disodok lobang
> pantatnya oleh si cowok ABG, tp jelas tu orang adalah bajingan keparat,
> bisa dianggap sbg pedophile dan pemerkosa cowok ingusan.
>
> Dan si cowok ingusan itu adalah korban kebejadan orang Islam, bisa
> dianggap diperkosa oleh orang Islam dan secara mental, dipaksa jadi homo.
>
> Knp orang Islam itu doyan ngembat/merkosa cowok ingusan? Semua balik lagi
> ke ajaran Islam yg bejad yg merupakan karya dr orang Arab biadab di abad ke
> 7.
>
>
>
> According to the Encyclopedia of Islam and the Muslim World
>
> >Whatever the legal strictures on sexual activity, the positive expression
> of male homeoerotic sentiment in literature was accepted, and assiduously
> cultivated, from the late eighth century until modern times. First in
> Arabic, but later also in Persian, Turkish and Urdu, love poetry by men
> about boys more than competed with that about women, it overwhelmed it.
> Anecdotal literature reinforces this impression of general societal
> acceptance of the public celebration of male-male love (which hostile
> Western caricatures of Islamic societies in medieval and early modern times
> simply exaggerate). ...[16]
>
> In a tradition from the Arabian Nights, a collection of myths and folk
> tales, Muhammad was said to have warned his followers against staring at
> youth because of their beauty: "Be careful, do not gaze at beardless youth,
> for they have eyes more tempting than the houris."[17]
>
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_topics_and_Islam)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>


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Re: [proletar] Re: Germany: Muslim Kills His Girlfriend's Unborn Baby Because She Saw Male Doctor

2012-01-21 Thread safin _blanc 
inilah bukti bahwa lo berdua demen sekali ngebesarin kesalahan orang
menjadi kesalahan islam..
belum cukup justifikasi utk melibas habis semua orang islam? belum cukup
banyak drone dibuat utk ngebantai orang islam dan meneror wanita dan anak2?

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:30 PM, muskitawati  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Ini merupakan bukti lagi bahwa ajaran Islam memang biadab dan tidak
> seharusnya ajaran agama ini dibolehkan untuk dipraktekkan di semua negara2
> maju.
>
> Islam bukan mendidik yang jahat jadi baik tetapi mendidik yang baik
> menjadi jahat.
>
=
bullshit!

>
> Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.
>
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > Orang Islam yg soleh ini ga terima ceweknya diperiksa oleh dokter cowok,
> lalu si orang Islam ini ngegebukin ceweknya sampe si cewek keguguran.
> > Hehehe... tentunya orang Islam ini soleh krn ga mau ceweknya diperiksa
> dokter cowok. Tp kan hrsnya yg pertama2 digebukin itu adalah dirinya yg
> udah zinah dan ngehamilin ceweknya.
> >
> > Wednesday, 18 January 2012
> > Germany: Muslim Kills His Girlfriend's Unborn Baby Because She Saw Male
> Doctor
> > 09:19 | Posted by Cheradenine Zakalwe
> >
> > A Muslim punches his pregnant girlfriend several times in the abdomen
> because she was examined by a male doctor.
> >
> > Thanks to the heavy punches the unborn baby suffered cerebral
> haemorrhages while still in its mother's womb. It was possible for it to be
> delivered later through emergency Caesarian section, but it died of its
> serious injuries two days later in the hospital.
> > >
> > >As the child was not born at the time of the action, the indictment
> against the 21-year-old refers only to "abortion" and not to murder.
> > >
> > >The starting point for the fateful event was a routine gynaecological
> examination of the pregnant woman. As the female doctor who was usually
> responsible for her was on holiday, the examination was performed by a male
> substitute on an exceptional basis. For the then 20-year-old boyfriend of
> the heavily pregnant woman, a practising Muslim, this was horrific.
> > >
> > >When the Rheine resident learned of the examination by the doctor, a
> major row broke out between the couple. In this the perpetrator is said to
> have struck his seven-month pregnant girlfriend forcefully several times in
> the abdomen, so that she had to be taken to a hospital, where the foetus
> died after an emergency birth. Source: Web.de
> >
> > UPDATE: The Muslim got 2 years and 9 months for this. His name is Ahmad
> Sherzai, of Afghan origin but with German citizenship. His girlfriend was
> of German origin and from a Catholic family.
> >
> > Both Sherzai and his father ("a devout family") have had a long history
> of trouble with the police. Why are our governments allowing these savages
> into our countries then not deporting them when their criminality is proven?
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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[proletar] Saudi Arabia's Gays Lead Good Life Or Do They?

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Sekedar info.
 
http://www.menstuff.org/issues/byissue/islamandgay.html
 
 
Saudi Arabia's Gays Lead Good Life Or Do They?



 
It's common knowledge that Islamic countries forbid homosexuality. It may come 
as a surprise, then, that Saudi Arabia - the only country ruled entirely by 
Islamic law - actually affords queers more freedom than other parts of the 
Middle East. According to The Atlantic's Nadya Labi, not only are Saudi sissies 
largely unregulated, gay sex has long been the norm. 
One of the main tenets of severe Islamic law, or Wahhabism, rules that 
unrelated men and women cannot socialize. The entire country's been divided 
into gendered regions. Men hang with men and women hang with women. Gay girls 
and boys, then, can socialize freely without fear of anti-gay recrimination. 
Labi writes: 
 
...The kingdom leaves considerable space for homosexual behavior. As long as 
gays and lesbians maintain a public front of obeisance to Wahhabist norms, they 
are left to do what they want in private. Vibrant communities of men who enjoy 
sex with other men can be found in cosmopolitan cities like Jeddah and Riyadh. 
They meet in schools, in cafés, in the streets, and on the Internet. “You can 
be cruised anywhere in Saudi Arabia, any time of the day,” said Radwan, a 
42-year-old gay Saudi American who grew up in various Western cities and now 
lives in Jeddah. “They’re quite shameless about it.”
 
The shamelessness comes not from gay acceptance, but from a distinct divide 
between one's acts and one's so-called sexuality.
 
Unlike the West, where men who have sex with men are largely labeled "gay", 
Saudi Arabia has no such classifications. Men who sleep with men are simply 
performing gay acts, not aligning themselves with some larger social identity. 
Well, for the most part. You see, men - both married and straight - often use 
other men to vent their sexual frustrations. Thus, if you cruise another guy 
and fuck him, you're not considered gay. If you're the one getting 
fucked...well, that's a different story. 
 
>For many Saudis, the fact that a man has sex with another man has little to do 
>with “gayness.” The act may fulfill a desire or a need, but it doesn’t 
>constitute an identity. Nor does it strip a man of his masculinity, as long as 
>he is in the “top,” or active, role. This attitude gives Saudi men who engage 
>in homosexual behavior a degree of freedom.
 
Ladi goes on to explain that sexuality isn't divided by acts, but by pleasure - 
those who enjoy getting fucked are considered deviant, while the dominant tops 
retain their masculine virility. 
What you may find even more surprising, reader, is that Saudi Arabia has a long 
history of pederasty. That is, sex between older men and young boys constitutes 
an important rite of passage, as in ancient Greece. Ladi's words: 
 
>Abubaker Bagader, a human-rights activist based in Jeddah, explained that 
>homosexuality can be viewed as a phase. “Homosexuality is considered something 
>one might pass by,” he said. “It’s to be understood as a stage of life, 
>particularly at youth.” This view of sexual behavior, in combination with the 
>strict segregation of the sexes, serves to foster homosexual acts, shifting 
>the stigma onto bottoms and allowing older men to excuse their younger 
>behavior—their time as bottoms—as mere youthful transgressions.
 
Though many Saudis consider sodomy to be blasphemous, as in Christianity, the 
Koran does not explicitly forbid anal sex. As Ladi points out, it suggests 
punishment for adultery or premarital sex, but no penalties for sodomy. Thus, 
the Saudi man recently executed for having sex with boys was punished, 
according to their laws, unjustly. Still, homosexuality remains in the shadows. 
It becomes a national "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" situation, Ladi explains, in that 
officials don't go poking around in people's sex lives, nor do they encourage 
you to flaunt it.
Globalization, however, has started blurring the lines between sex acts and 
sexual identity. With Western ideas of homosexuality, then, may come stricter 
enforcement of social laws. Men who choose another man over their menstruating 
wife would be considered gay. Men who need to work one of in another man - 
they'd be gay, too. One of Ladi's subjects explains: 
 
>The whole issue used to be whether that guy was a [top] or a bottom. Now 
>people are getting more into the concept of homosexual and straight.
 
Don't be looking for a gay rights movement in Saudi Arabia, though - the recent 
heterosexist imports have had contradictory effects. On the one hand, some men 
have disavowed their "gay" sex acts. Others, however, insist that by "coming 
out," they'll do nothing more than invite public - and legislative - scrutiny. 
The best thing they can do, many say, is to keep up the charade, ignore Western 
sexual divisions and enjoy a land where they can get laid easily and often, 
however secretive. One man remarked:

[proletar] Homoerotik?

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Ternyata di banyak negara bersyariat iblis, praktek ngembat cowok muda oleh 
cowok Islam itu ga dianggap sbg praktek homoseksual, tp hanya sekedar nyalurin 
nafsu ngembat lobang pantat cowok doang. Yg ngembat itu ga merasa sbg gay, cuma 
merasa sbg orang Islam bergengsi tinggi krn bisa ngembat cowok ABG yg ga 
jenggotan.
 
Itulah yg disebut homoerotik.
 
Padahal, hehehe... kalo orang ngebet ke cowok ABG lalu nyodomi si cowok, apa tu 
orang bukan gay? Dan jg apa tu orang bukan pedophile, krn ABG yg diembat itu 
bisa aja msh di bawah umur.
 
Mungkin aja sih ybs ga bisa disebut gay, krn dia ga disodok lobang pantatnya 
oleh si cowok ABG, tp jelas tu orang adalah bajingan keparat, bisa dianggap sbg 
pedophile dan pemerkosa cowok ingusan.
 
Dan si cowok ingusan itu adalah korban kebejadan orang Islam, bisa dianggap 
diperkosa oleh orang Islam dan secara mental, dipaksa jadi homo.
 
Knp orang Islam itu doyan ngembat/merkosa cowok ingusan? Semua balik lagi ke 
ajaran Islam yg bejad yg merupakan karya dr orang Arab biadab di abad ke 7.
 
 
 
According to the Encyclopedia of Islam and the Muslim World
 
>Whatever the legal strictures on sexual activity, the positive expression of 
>male homeoerotic sentiment in literature was accepted, and assiduously 
>cultivated, from the late eighth century until modern times. First in Arabic, 
>but later also in Persian, Turkish and Urdu, love poetry by men about boys 
>more than competed with that about women, it overwhelmed it. Anecdotal 
>literature reinforces this impression of general societal acceptance of the 
>public celebration of male-male love (which hostile Western caricatures of 
>Islamic societies in medieval and early modern times simply exaggerate). 
>...[16]
 
In a tradition from the Arabian Nights, a collection of myths and folk tales, 
Muhammad was said to have warned his followers against staring at youth because 
of their beauty: "Be careful, do not gaze at beardless youth, for they have 
eyes more tempting than the houris."[17]
 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_topics_and_Islam)

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Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over

2012-01-21 Thread safin _blanc 
lo mau ngebantai secara fisik yg kgak mungkin ...
ditiup angin aja lo udah terguling..

tulisan lo itu yg bisa dipake utk menjustifikasi pembantaian orang islam
dimana-mana..
lo bagian dari perusak keharmonisan hidup bermasyarakat, di indonesia dan
didunia...

demi hak azazi lo boleh aja begitu.
demi hak azazi, salman rusdi boleh berak dimuka lo...

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:10 AM, item abu  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Lu ini aja yg dungu ga ngerti apa yg gua bilang, atau lu mlintir2 omongan
> gua. Kapan gua bilang mau ngebantai lu secara fisik?
>
> Orang yg punya otak jg tau bhw yg bisa dan mau ngebantai orang lain adalah
> orang Islam.
>
>
>
> From: ajeg 
> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:00 AM
> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
> literary festival over
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yeah, ngayal terus.
> >
> >Bulan lalu lu ngebacot mau bunuh gua.. Mana?
> >Ayo buktiin.
> >
> >Boleh aja lu merasa ngebantai orang di sini.
> >Tapi tentu aja itu cuma "kalo ga salah".
> >Sebab, di mata orang-orang mah elu lagi sibuk
> >ngeloco.
> >
> >Gak salah lagi.
> >
> >--- item abu  wrote:
> >
> >> Hehehe... gua ngebantai Islam dan orang Islam di milis ini koq.
> >>
> >>
> >> From: safin _blanc 
> >>
> >> > terserah lo.
> >> > memang cuma banci pengecut yg diam aja dihina orang lain.
> >> >
> >> > bukan pedanda itu belum jawab gimana kalau salman rusdi berak
> >> > dimukanya...
> >> > entah marah, entah kesedapan.. kita semua kgak tau..
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > item abu  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > **
> >> > >
> >> > > Hehehe ... Salman Rushdie cuma bikin novel fiksi sesuai dgn apa
> >> > > yg ada di sumber Islam sendiri. Dianggap ngehina Islam.
> >> > >
> >> > > Krn Islam ngehina agama lain dan penganutnya, hrsnya orang
> >> > > Islam jg dibantai tuh.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death threats

2012-01-21 Thread safin _blanc 
udah terjadi, lo bego amat sih..

amrik dan konco2 lo udah ngerusak irak..
sekarang mereka lagi siap2 di djibouti, entah mana lagi yg mau dikaconya.
sudan? somalia? yemen? eritherea? ethiopia? ato lebih jauh, masuk lwt pintu
belakang egypt, tunis, algeria, marocco..

di romania juga..
mau lebih ngerusak irak, iran afghan, ato mau ngusik russia?
sama russia blom dulu ah.., cuma bikin mereka kejepit aja...
pemanasan dulu ngelibas islam yg lembek..

di negeria ada kelompok perlawanan yg media barat nyebut terorist..
sebelum mereka melawan, keluarga dan kampungnya diratain dengan tanah gara2
ada pencuri didalamnya...
pencuri perlu dihukum, setuju.. itupun harus dipertimbangkan kondisi
ekonominya..
nah tunggu aja islam disana sebentar lagi dilibas juga..

pembayar pajak di amrik ikut biayain ini semua
juga negara2 nato kecuali romania yg kgak sanggup bayar
cuma kasi pantatnya utk di perkosa rame2 sama tentara amrik yg kata lonte
muskita wati cuma cuti disana...

bejat betul..
dan orang macam lo sebagai corong propaganda mereka merusak citra islam
supaya pembantaian islam jadi legitimate.
betul2 bejat!!! BEJAT!!!
DAN ORANG MACAM LO IKUT BAGIAN DIDLAM KONSPIRASI ITU..
kalo lo kgak tahu, itu pertanda lo memang bego..
lo, agar jelas, salah satu yg akan atopun sdh merusak keharmonisan di bumi
ini.



On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:07 AM, item abu  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hehehe non Islam boleh ngebantai orang Islam yg ngehina agama mereka
> apa kagak?
>
>
>
>
> From: safin _blanc 
> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:47 PM
>
> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
> literary festival over death threats
> >
> >demi hak azazi, lo bebas ngebantai islam dan orang islam di milis ini..
> >
> >demi hak azazi, salman rusdi berhak berak dimuka kalian berdua (item ama
> >bukan pedanda)
> >
> >ingat, tiap pagi, siang, malam, kalo si salman pengen berak, siaplah
> >jilatin pantatnya..
> >paham?
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM, item abu  wrote:
> >
> >> **
>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hehehe... gua ngebantai Islam dan orang Islam di milis ini koq.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: safin _blanc 
> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> >> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM
> >>
> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
> >> literary festival over death threats
> >> >
> >> >terserah lo.
> >> >memang cuma banci pengecut yg diam aja dihina orang lain.
> >> >
> >> >bukan pedanda itu belum jawab gimana kalau salman rusdi berak
> dimukanya...
> >> >entah marah, entah kesedapan.. kita semua kgak tau..
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:06 AM, item abu  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> **
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hehehe ... Salman Rushdie cuma bikin novel fiksi sesuai dgn apa yg
> ada
> >> di
> >> >> sumber Islam sendiri. Dianggap ngehina Islam.
> >> >>
> >> >> Krn Islam ngehina agama lain dan penganutnya, hrsnya orang Islam jg
> >> >> dibantai tuh.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> From: safin _blanc 
> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:18 AM
> >> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
> >> >> literary festival over death threats
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >lo boleh saja membela salman rusdi karena itu memang hak setiap
> orang
> >> utk
> >> >> >mengemukakan pendapat... sayangnya, pendapat si salman telah sangat
> >> >> >melampaui batas..
> >> >> >
> >> >> >supaya lo ngarti, pendapat dia itu seperti ibarat nya dia berak di
> muka
> >> >> >lo.. apa lo kgak marah, meskipun dia bilang berak itu hak azazi
> >> manusia..?
> >> >> >apa lo mau makan itu taik salman rusdi? kalo lo sebangsa babi, ya
> >> makanlah
> >> >> >itu..
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Bukan Pedanda <
> >> bukan.peda...@yahoo.com
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> **
> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Inilah Islam, agama yang hanya pantas untuk anjing dan binatang
> >> buas...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Dan masih ada orangt berotak anjign yang percaya Islam itu rahmat
> >> untuk
> >> >> >> ummat manusia...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death
> >> >> threats
> >> >> >> By Sara Sidner and Sumnima Udas, CNN
> >> >> >> January 20, 2012 -- Updated 1040 GMT (1840 HKT)
> >> >> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book
> >> >> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book "The
> Satanic
> >> >> >> Verses."
> >> >> >> STORY HIGHLIGHTS
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses," which sparked protests in
> Muslim
> >> >> world
> >> >> >> Author: "Paid assassins from Mumbai underworld" may be planning
> >> attacks
> >> >> on
> >> >> >> him
> >> >> >> Rushdie has faced threats before
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jaipur, India (CNN) -- British author Salman Rushdie on Friday
> >> canceled
> >> >> >> his appearance at the Jaipur literary festival in India following
> >> >> warnings
> >> >>

Re: [proletar] Re: Tempo: PNS Penganut Atheis Hampir Diamuk Massa

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Perang antara Belanda dgn Sisingamangaraja itu kalo ga salah krn 
Sisingamangaraja ga suka dgn Nordmensen yg nyebarrn Kristen, sedangkan orang 
Batak waktu itu penganut animisme dan mash jadi kanibal.
 
Kalo ulama Islam nyerang dan merkosa orang Batak sih, itu cuma krn Islam yg 
ngajarin begitu, lihat aja contoh dr nabi dan sobat2nya yg ngebantai kafir dan 
merkosa ceweknya.
 
 

From: David Silalahi 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:22 AM
>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Tempo: PNS Penganut Atheis Hampir Diamuk Massa
>
>
>  
>ini benar.
>pada perang padri terjadi pembantaian terhadap orang batak. pembantaian ini
>terjadi atas nama agama dan memanfaatkan perang antara orang batak dengan
>orang belanda, walaupun sebetulnya orang batak yang memanfaatkan orang
>minang untuk membantai orang batak krn belanda tahu bahwa salah seorang
>pemimpin padri memiliki hubungan kekeluargaan dari sisingamangaraja jadi
>bisa dimanfaatkan untuk menyerang kelemahannya sisimangaraja.
>
>2012/1/21 item abu 
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Itu bukan masalah Minangnya. Tp orang Islam di bawah Imam Bonjol sedang
>> berjihad di jalan auloh mau negakin syariat iblis dgn ngebantai dan
>> merkosa sesama Minang dan jg orang Batak tetangga Minang.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: ttbnice 
>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
>> >Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:45 PM
>>
>> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Tempo: PNS Penganut Atheis Hampir Diamuk Massa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Terus menurut lu, apa yg harus dilakukan terhadap masyarakat yg goblok
>> ini?
>> >
>> >Orang Minang ini memang manteb. Dulu jamannya Imam Bonjol, kaum adat
>> lawan kelompok Islam. Sekarang Islam versi atheis. Kelompok konservatif
>> sama modern sama ngototnya...
>> >
>> >:)
>> >
>> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Roman Proteus is back" 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Bukan karena Islamnya anjing tua goblog, tapi karena masyarakatnya yang
>> emang goblog
>> >>
>> >> Kalau penganut atheis pakai acara mau digebugin itu jelas salah, mau
>> nganut apapun itu hak orang, asal gak pake acara menebar ancaman atau
>> penghinaan kpd kelompok lain
>> >>
>> >> Masalahnya di facebook itu dia ngomong menghina Islam gak, kalau
>> menghina terang terangan ya salah sendiri lah, udah tau masayarakatnya
>> ngutamain ototnya bukan otaknya
>> >>
>> >> Jadi elo tetap aja berotak anjing PIG, bukan karena Islamnya, tapi
>> orangnya yang gak punya otak main hakim sendiri
>> >>
>>
>
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Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Lu ini aja yg dungu ga ngerti apa yg gua bilang, atau lu mlintir2 omongan gua. 
Kapan gua bilang mau ngebantai lu secara fisik?
 
Orang yg punya otak jg tau bhw yg bisa dan mau ngebantai orang lain adalah 
orang Islam.
 
 

From: ajeg 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:00 AM
>Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary 
>festival over
>
>
>  
>
>Yeah, ngayal terus. 
>
>Bulan lalu lu ngebacot mau bunuh gua.. Mana? 
>Ayo buktiin. 
>
>Boleh aja lu merasa ngebantai orang di sini. 
>Tapi tentu aja itu cuma "kalo ga salah". 
>Sebab, di mata orang-orang mah elu lagi sibuk 
>ngeloco. 
>
>Gak salah lagi. 
>
>--- item abu  wrote:
>
>> Hehehe... gua ngebantai Islam dan orang Islam di milis ini koq.
>> 
>> 
>> From: safin _blanc 
>>
>> > terserah lo.
>> > memang cuma banci pengecut yg diam aja dihina orang lain.
>> >
>> > bukan pedanda itu belum jawab gimana kalau salman rusdi berak 
>> > dimukanya...
>> > entah marah, entah kesedapan.. kita semua kgak tau..
>> >
>> >
>> > item abu  wrote:
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > Hehehe ... Salman Rushdie cuma bikin novel fiksi sesuai dgn apa 
>> > > yg ada di sumber Islam sendiri. Dianggap ngehina Islam.
>> > >
>> > > Krn Islam ngehina agama lain dan penganutnya, hrsnya orang 
>> > > Islam jg dibantai tuh.
>> > 
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death threats

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Hehehe non Islam boleh ngebantai orang Islam yg ngehina agama mereka apa 
kagak?
 
 

From: safin _blanc 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:47 PM
>Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary 
>festival over death threats
>
>demi hak azazi, lo bebas ngebantai islam dan orang islam di milis ini..
>
>demi hak azazi, salman rusdi berhak berak dimuka kalian berdua (item ama
>bukan pedanda)
>
>ingat, tiap pagi, siang, malam, kalo si salman pengen berak, siaplah
>jilatin pantatnya..
>paham?
>
>
>On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM, item abu  wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Hehehe... gua ngebantai Islam dan orang Islam di milis ini koq.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: safin _blanc 
>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
>> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM
>>
>> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
>> literary festival over death threats
>> >
>> >terserah lo.
>> >memang cuma banci pengecut yg diam aja dihina orang lain.
>> >
>> >bukan pedanda itu belum jawab gimana kalau salman rusdi berak dimukanya...
>> >entah marah, entah kesedapan.. kita semua kgak tau..
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:06 AM, item abu  wrote:
>> >
>> >> **
>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hehehe ... Salman Rushdie cuma bikin novel fiksi sesuai dgn apa yg ada
>> di
>> >> sumber Islam sendiri. Dianggap ngehina Islam.
>> >>
>> >> Krn Islam ngehina agama lain dan penganutnya, hrsnya orang Islam jg
>> >> dibantai tuh.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: safin _blanc 
>> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:18 AM
>> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
>> >> literary festival over death threats
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >lo boleh saja membela salman rusdi karena itu memang hak setiap orang
>> utk
>> >> >mengemukakan pendapat... sayangnya, pendapat si salman telah sangat
>> >> >melampaui batas..
>> >> >
>> >> >supaya lo ngarti, pendapat dia itu seperti ibarat nya dia berak di muka
>> >> >lo.. apa lo kgak marah, meskipun dia bilang berak itu hak azazi
>> manusia..?
>> >> >apa lo mau makan itu taik salman rusdi? kalo lo sebangsa babi, ya
>> makanlah
>> >> >itu..
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Bukan Pedanda <
>> bukan.peda...@yahoo.com
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> **
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Inilah Islam, agama yang hanya pantas untuk anjing dan binatang
>> buas...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dan masih ada orangt berotak anjign yang percaya Islam itu rahmat
>> untuk
>> >> >> ummat manusia...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death
>> >> threats
>> >> >> By Sara Sidner and Sumnima Udas, CNN
>> >> >> January 20, 2012 -- Updated 1040 GMT (1840 HKT)
>> >> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book
>> >> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book "The Satanic
>> >> >> Verses."
>> >> >> STORY HIGHLIGHTS
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses," which sparked protests in Muslim
>> >> world
>> >> >> Author: "Paid assassins from Mumbai underworld" may be planning
>> attacks
>> >> on
>> >> >> him
>> >> >> Rushdie has faced threats before
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jaipur, India (CNN) -- British author Salman Rushdie on Friday
>> canceled
>> >> >> his appearance at the Jaipur literary festival in India following
>> >> warnings
>> >> >> of threats to his life.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "I have now been informed by intelligence sources in Maharashtra and
>> >> >> Rajasthan that paid assassins from the Mumbai underworld may be on
>> their
>> >> >> way to Jaipur to 'eliminate' me," Rushdie said in a statement.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "While I have some doubts about the accuracy of this intelligence, it
>> >> >> would be irresponsible of me to come to the festival in such
>> >> circumstances;
>> >> >> irresponsible to my family, to the festival audience, and to my
>> fellow
>> >> >> writers. I will therefore not travel to Jaipur as planned."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Rushdie, who was born in Mumbai, India, in 1947, has faced threats
>> >> before.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The writer rose to international notoriety with his 1980s novel, "The
>> >> >> Satanic Verses," which stirred protests throughout the Muslim world.
>> >> >> Rushdie lived under protection in Britain for nearly 10 years after a
>> >> >> fatwa, a death sentence, was issued against him by Iran's
>> then-Supreme
>> >> >> Leader Ayatollah Khomeini.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Khomeini considered lines in the book as blasphemous against Islam.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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Re: [proletar] PRESIDEN PERTIMBANGKAN HARGA BBM NAIK

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Hehehe... si ajeg ini lagi jilat pantat SBY yg dgn ga tau malunya ngaku udah 
nurunin harga BBM di perioda kepresidenannya yg pertama, padahal jelas2 BBM 
harganya naik di perioda tsb.
 
Dasar bajingan si ajeg ini, ga beda dgn SBY dan cecunguk2nya.
 

From: ajeg 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:09 PM
>Subject: Re: [proletar] PRESIDEN PERTIMBANGKAN HARGA BBM NAIK
>
>
>  
>
>Bener kan, si bleki itu homo. Semuanya serba nggak jelas. 
>Wajar setiap ngebacot dia selalu bilang "kalo ga salah". 
>
>Bukti kehomoannya yang lain, liat gaya dia nyubit SBY sambil 
>bilang, "Ga tau malu deh..." 
>
>--- item abu  wrote:
>
>> Waktu si SBY kampanye unt jadi presiden ke2xnya, si SBY ngakunya 
>> cuma di jaman pemerintahannya aja harga BBM itu bisa turun. Tp si 
>> SBY ini ga ngomong bhw harga BBM itu dinaikkan dulu sebelumnya, 
>> kalo ga salah dr sekitar 3800 ke 5000-6000. Baru belakangan 
>> diturunkan jadi sekitar 4500.
>> 
>> Ga tau malu deh si SBY ini, udah jelas2 di jaman pemerintahannya 
>> harga BBM itu naik, eh ngakunya turun. Ga beda dgn orang2 Islam 
>> plus plus di milis ini yg jg ngefitnah tanpa kenal malu, udah 
>> jelas2 fitnah, eh msh ga mau ngaku. 
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [proletar] Orang Islam (Dipo yang sedeng berat dan QS 76:19)

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Gua yakin si ajeg ini ga tau ada ayat 24:31 ini yg ngomongin orang gay atau 
kasim/bencong.
 
24:31. Katakanlah kepada wanita yang beriman: "Hendaklah mereka menahan 
pandangannya, dan kemaluannya, dan janganlah mereka menampakkan perhiasannya, 
kecuali yang (biasa) nampak dari padanya. Dan hendaklah mereka menutupkan kain 
kudung kedadanya, dan janganlah menampakkan perhiasannya kecuali kepada suami 
mereka, atau ayah mereka, atau ayah suami mereka, atau putera-putera mereka, 
atau putera-putera suami mereka, atau saudara-saudara laki-laki mereka, atau 
putera-putera saudara lelaki mereka, atau putera-putera saudara perempuan 
mereka, atau wanita-wanita islam, atau budak-budak yang mereka miliki, atau 
pelayan-pelayan laki-laki yang tidak mempunyai keinginan (terhadap wanita) atau 
anak-anak yang belum mengerti tentang aurat wanita. Dan janganlah mereka 
memukulkan kakinyua agar diketahui perhiasan yang mereka sembunyikan. Dan 
bertaubatlah kamu sekalian kepada Allah, hai orang-orang yang beriman supaya 
kamu beruntung.
 
Di sini cuma diomongin cewek yg boleh nunjukin auratnya ke orang gay atau 
kasim, pertanyaannya adalah apakah majikan cowok bisa ngembat budak gay atau 
kasim? Apa cowok Islam bisa beli cowok gay/kasim pake harta spt beli cewek PSK 
unt short time spt yg dihalalkan di 4:24-25?
 
Kalo ngeliat praktek di Afgan di mana orang Islam doyan ngembatin ABG cowok yg 
dipermak jadi gay, atau praktek orang2 kaya di jaman keemasan Islam yg doyan 
piara kasim unt diembat tanpa ulama ngambil tindakan atas praktek itu, maka 
bisa kita simpulkan bhw syariat iblis itu emang ngehalalin ngembat cowok 
kasim/gay yg halal.
 
 

From: ajeg 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [proletar] Orang Islam (Dipo yang sedeng berat dan QS 76:19)
>
>
>  
>
>Bagus. 
>
>Si bleki akhirnya ngaku pengkhayal yang gak tau apa-apa & 
>gak yakin sama bacotannya sendiri, makanya dia selalu bilang 
>"kalo ga salah". 
>
>Soal pantatnya yang diobrak-abrik pastur memang dia belum ngaku. 
>
>Perlu sabar nunggu pengakuan bleki. 
>
>Tapi, besar juga kemungkinan dia bantah begini: "pantat gua masih 
>tingting nih, kalo ga salah" ... 
>
>--- item abu  wrote:
>
>> Hehehe... jadi Quran ga ngelarang ngembat lobang pantat, termasuk 
>> lobang pantat cowok atau jg lobang pantat binatang. Berarti halal 
>> tuh.
>>  
>> Kalo si ajeg ini tahu Quran, dia pasti tahu ayat mana yg gua 
>> maksudkan, tp dia kagak tau apa2, makanya dia cuma bisa kaing2 soal 
>> gua pake kata "kalo ga salah". Menyedihkan sekali melihat orang 
>> Islam ga tau apa2 ttg Islam, tp malahan jd pembela Islam. Betul2 
>> dungu orang kayak gitu.
>>  
>> 
>> From: ajeg 
>> >
>> > --- Musik hari Ini  wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > From: item abu 
>> > > 
>> > > > Di mana Quran bilang ngembat lobang pantat cowok itu 
>> > > > dilarang? 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > Faham omongan Dipo 
>> >
>> > Buat si tolol itu nggak ada larangan berarti harus. Pantes dia 
>> > nurut aja diembatin sama pasturnya. 
>> >
>> > > 
>> > > > Kagak ada tuh.
>> > > > Sebaliknya Quran bilang orang Islam bisa nunjukin kontolnya 
>> > > > ke cowok yg ga doyan cewek kalo ga salah. 
>> >
>> > Dasar bleki tukang ngayal, kaing-kaing galak taunya cuma "kalo ga 
>> > salah" doang. 
>> >
>> > Kebanyakan ngemut titit uplik si raja ngigo. 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
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Re: [proletar] Re: Tempo: PNS Penganut Atheis Hampir Diamuk Massa

2012-01-21 Thread David Silalahi 
ralat

2012/1/22 David Silalahi 

> ini benar.
> pada perang padri terjadi pembantaian terhadap orang batak. pembantaian
> ini terjadi atas nama agama dan memanfaatkan perang antara orang batak
> dengan orang belanda, walaupun sebetulnya orang BELANDA yang memanfaatkan
> orang minang untuk membantai orang batak, krn belanda tahu bahwa salah
> seorang pemimpin padri memiliki hubungan kekeluargaan DENGAN
> sisingamangaraja jadi bisa dimanfaatkan untuk menyerang kelemahannya
> sisimangaraja.
>
>
>
> 2012/1/21 item abu 
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Itu bukan masalah Minangnya. Tp orang Islam di bawah Imam Bonjol sedang
>> berjihad di jalan auloh mau negakin syariat iblis dgn ngebantai dan
>> merkosa sesama Minang dan jg orang Batak tetangga Minang.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: ttbnice 
>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
>> >Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:45 PM
>>
>> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Tempo: PNS Penganut Atheis Hampir Diamuk Massa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Terus menurut lu, apa yg harus dilakukan terhadap masyarakat yg goblok
>> ini?
>> >
>> >Orang Minang ini memang manteb. Dulu jamannya Imam Bonjol, kaum adat
>> lawan kelompok Islam. Sekarang Islam versi atheis. Kelompok konservatif
>> sama modern sama ngototnya...
>> >
>> >:)
>> >
>> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Roman Proteus is back" 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Bukan karena Islamnya anjing tua goblog, tapi karena masyarakatnya
>> yang emang goblog
>> >>
>> >> Kalau penganut atheis pakai acara mau digebugin itu jelas salah, mau
>> nganut apapun itu hak orang, asal gak pake acara menebar ancaman atau
>> penghinaan kpd kelompok lain
>> >>
>> >> Masalahnya di facebook itu dia ngomong menghina Islam gak, kalau
>> menghina terang terangan ya salah sendiri lah, udah tau masayarakatnya
>> ngutamain ototnya bukan otaknya
>> >>
>> >> Jadi elo tetap aja berotak anjing PIG, bukan karena Islamnya, tapi
>> orangnya yang gak punya otak main hakim sendiri
>> >>
>>
>
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Re: [proletar] Re: Tempo: PNS Penganut Atheis Hampir Diamuk Massa

2012-01-21 Thread David Silalahi 
ini benar.
pada perang padri terjadi pembantaian terhadap orang batak. pembantaian ini
terjadi atas nama agama dan memanfaatkan perang antara orang batak dengan
orang belanda, walaupun sebetulnya orang batak yang memanfaatkan orang
minang untuk membantai orang batak krn belanda tahu bahwa salah seorang
pemimpin padri memiliki hubungan kekeluargaan dari sisingamangaraja jadi
bisa dimanfaatkan untuk menyerang kelemahannya sisimangaraja.


2012/1/21 item abu 

> **
>
>
> Itu bukan masalah Minangnya. Tp orang Islam di bawah Imam Bonjol sedang
> berjihad di jalan auloh mau negakin syariat iblis dgn ngebantai dan
> merkosa sesama Minang dan jg orang Batak tetangga Minang.
>
>
>
> From: ttbnice 
> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:45 PM
>
> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Tempo: PNS Penganut Atheis Hampir Diamuk Massa
> >
> >
> >
> >Terus menurut lu, apa yg harus dilakukan terhadap masyarakat yg goblok
> ini?
> >
> >Orang Minang ini memang manteb. Dulu jamannya Imam Bonjol, kaum adat
> lawan kelompok Islam. Sekarang Islam versi atheis. Kelompok konservatif
> sama modern sama ngototnya...
> >
> >:)
> >
> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Roman Proteus is back" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Bukan karena Islamnya anjing tua goblog, tapi karena masyarakatnya yang
> emang goblog
> >>
> >> Kalau penganut atheis pakai acara mau digebugin itu jelas salah, mau
> nganut apapun itu hak orang, asal gak pake acara menebar ancaman atau
> penghinaan kpd kelompok lain
> >>
> >> Masalahnya di facebook itu dia ngomong menghina Islam gak, kalau
> menghina terang terangan ya salah sendiri lah, udah tau masayarakatnya
> ngutamain ototnya bukan otaknya
> >>
> >> Jadi elo tetap aja berotak anjing PIG, bukan karena Islamnya, tapi
> orangnya yang gak punya otak main hakim sendiri
> >>
>


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[proletar] Mas Sasis entah orat oret di mana,

2012-01-21 Thread suryana 
Mas Sasis orat oret di FB hanya ketika masuk ke wall nya malah gak ada, aneh 
juga.
sur.
++

Badra Mandrawata "QS 22:40
Sesungguhnya Allah pasti menolong ORANG YANG MENOLONGNYA" telah menhilangkan 
satu kata...yaitu (agama)arti sebenarnya QS 22:40 Sesungguhnya Allah pasti 
menolong orang yang menolong (agama)-Nya...Allah tidak pernah butuh 
pertolongansiapapun dan apapun,,,tujuan badra mandrawata adalah mencela 
dengan menghilangkan satu kata...org yg sngat memalukan...
about an hour ago ·
Setya Ananta Sis and 2 others like this.


Dewi HS Yang dikurungi itu apa ada dalam terjemahan aslinya?
about an hour ago

Budi Setiadi yups...
about an hour ago

Setya Ananta Sis Itu gak ada dalam bahasa Arabnya. Penerjemahnya sengaja 
menyisipkan. Biasa Islam memang begitu... ane udah apal... Khan dalam 
kalimat-2 Quran yg lain banyak kata-2 "menolong Allah dan Rasulnya... 
Gampang kok, tinggal search di teks Quran atau EQur'an... Kalau orang gak 
bisa bahasa Arab gampang ditipu... hehehe
about an hour ago

Budi Setiadi penafsiran Alquran di ajarkan aleh Rasulnya...jadi penafsiran 
itumemang sudah d ajarkan dari awalnya...ini bukan masalah gampang d 
tipu...tapi ini masalah tafsir...maka kembali lagi siapa yg 
menafsirkannya...anda...atau ahli agama kami...
about an hour ago

Dewi HS ?[kutip]"penafsiran Alquran di ajarkan aleh Rasulnya...jadi 
penafsiran itumemang sudah d ajarkan dari awalnya"

Logikanya aja sudah cacat. Dalam bahasa Arabnya jelas tidak ada kata 
(agama). Kata itu disusupkan oleh penerjemah Indonesia, lha bagaimana 
mungkin penafsirannya diajarkan oleh Rasulnya. Ga nyambung Bro. Pi
about an hour ago

Budi Setiadi klo anda membaca sebuah puisi logikanya puisi satu baris jadi 
berapa kalimat...anda punya kemampuan menalar tidak...saya punya sebuah 
puisi satu baris...anda baca...apa arti sesungguhnya anda pasti tau...yg 
paling tai ya pasti saya...yang paling tau isi Alquran selain Allah ya pasti 
Rasul yg menerima...selain tersurat kan ada yg tersirat...coba dong d baca 
seluruh Alquran...ada tersiratnya tidak...???
about an hour ago

Setya Ananta Sis Pak Budi ngawuuu
about an hour ago ·  1

Dewi HS ?Budi Setiadi, maaf Bro, dalam teks Arab dan Inggrisnya ga ada 
kurungannya ... maap ya...
about an hour ago

Hambalah Pohan ?Budi Setiadi, KOREKSI... QS Al-Hajj [22:40] SEHARUSNYA 
BERBUNYI :

[22:40] (yaitu) orang-orang yang telah diusir dari kampung halaman mereka 
tanpa alasan yang benar, kecuali karena mereka berkata: "Tuhan kami hanyalah 
Allah". Dan sekiranya Allah tiada menolak (keganasan) sebagian manusia 
dengan sebagian yang lain, tentulah telah dirobohkan biara-biara Nasrani, 
gereja-gereja, rumah-rumah ibadat orang Yahudi dan masjid-masjid, yang di 
dalamnya banyak disebut nama Allah. Sesungguhnya Allah pasti menolong orang 
yang menolong (agama)-Nya. Sesungguhnya Allah benar-benar Maha Kuat lagi 
Maha Perkasa
about an hour ago ·  1

Budi Setiadi ngawurnya pak...
about an hour ago

Dewi HS ?Hambalah Pohan, dalam bahasa Arabnya ada ga kata (agama) ?
about an hour ago

Setya Ananta Sis Kalau orang lain (nonIslam) baca bhw ada yg tersirat atau 
menafsirkan, maka tafsiran itu pasti dianggap sisipan yg tidak sah. Tapi 
tukang tafsir dengan seenaknya menyisipkan kata-2 apapun yg mereka 
kehendaki. Terbukti lagi, pak budi gak tau bahwa kata-2 itu gak ada dalam 
teks aslinya. weleh weleh
about an hour ago ·  2

Budi Setiadi nah ku tanya...dalam bahasa arab...ada arti Allah nggak...??
about an hour ago

Siluman Silumun Silamet heheh ..iya ngawur ...situkan nulis ...yg paling tau 
arti sesungguhnya kan situ ...pengarangnya ...jadi yg paling tau alquran 
juga pengarangnya dunk ...hahah ...siapa sih yg mengarang alquran ..Budi 
Setiadi? ...heheh ...
about an hour ago ·  2

Setya Ananta Sis Saya bilang tidak ada Dari mana ada kata "Agama" itu? 
Ayo, jelasin dong pake Nahwu dan Sharaf Khan sampeyan peyakin Islam?
about an hour ago

Setya Ananta Sis
Nah biar gak rame-rame, ini saya copas selengkapnya [22.40] (yaitu) 
orang-orang yang telah diusir dari kampung halaman mereka tanpa alasan yang 
benar, kecuali karena mereka berkata: "Tuhan kami hanyalah Allah". Dan 
sekiranya Allah tiada menolak (keganasan) sebagian manusia dengan sebagian 
yang lain, tentulah telah dirobohkan biara-biara Nasrani, gereja-gereja, 
rumah-rumah ibadah orang Yahudi dan mesjid-mesjid, yang di dalamnya banyak 
disebut nama Allah. Sesungguhnya Allah pasti menolong orang yang menolong 
(agama) -Nya. Sesungguhnya Allah benar-benar Maha Kuat lagi Maha 
Perkasa. Disisipi (agama)
about an hour ago

Budi Setiadi aku bilang penerima Alquran bukan pengarang...dari penerima 
kemudian d ajarkan turun temurun sampai sekarang...kira2 logikanya akan 
banyak perbedaan atau persamaan...penafsiran Alquran d jaga sampe 
sekarang...bahkan tulisannyapn tidak d rubah sedikitpun dari 
asalnya...lantas salah klo saya peajari..
about an hour ago

Siluman Silumun Silamet
heheh ...copas lagi ah 
[22.40] (yaitu) or

[proletar] Defence: Mubarak knew nothing

2012-01-21 Thread Sunny 
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2012/1081/fr2.htm
19 - 25 January 2012
Issue No. 1081
Published in Cairo by AL-AHRAM established in 1875
Defence: Mubarak knew nothing
Hosni Mubarak's defence opened by attempting to place responsibility for the 
deaths of protesters squarely on the shoulders of the military, reports Gamal 
Essam El-Din 



Farid El-Deeb, the lawyer leading the defence of Hosni Mubarak, blamed the 
Armed Forces for the deaths of hundreds of peaceful protesters during the heady 
days of the 25 January Revolution in a move many will interpret as a settling 
of scores between the former president and his long time minister of defence, 
Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi.

According to El-Deeb, after protesters filled Tahrir Square on 28 January the 
then interior minister Habib El-Adli contacted Mubarak to concede that the 
police had lost control of the situation. "As a result," said El-Deeb, "Mubarak 
exercised his constitutional rights to impose a curfew and entrust the army 
with maintaining security across the country." 

"From 4pm on 28 January, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces [SCAF] was in 
full control of Egypt. Law 183/1952 is clear on this: in times of riots and 
wide-scale disturbances the army must be allowed to impose security and restore 
order. In such instances control of non-military security forces passes to the 
army." 

"[Former] president Hosni Mubarak was disposed of all his responsibilities. 
They were delegated to SCAF and its leader, Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi."

The responsibility for any deaths of protesters or injuries sustained after 4pm 
on 28 January cannot, El-Deeb continued, be placed on the former president or 
the police. "President Mubarak could not have issued orders to open on anyone 
after this time. It is the minister of war [now defence], the military ruler, 
who took charge and should be held responsible."

Mubarak, El-Deeb continued, did not subsequently intervene to stop the killing 
of protesters because he was unaware that they were being killed.

Lawyers representing the families of protesters shot dead by the police were 
infuriated by El-Deeb continually referring to anyone demonstrating against 
Mubarak's rule as a rioter. And under legislation in force since 1923, El-Deeb 
told the court, "the police have every right to open fire on rioters who attack 
them."

El-Deeb quoted testimony given in April by Omar Suleiman, Mubarak's chief of 
general intelligence and vice president, to the effect that "saboteurs had 
infiltrated peaceful protesters and began attacking police stations". He added 
that the testimonies of former interior ministers Mahmoud Wagdi and Mansour 
Eissawi confirmed that the police had been placed in a situation where they 
were forced to defend themselves as saboteurs and arsonists attacked police 
stations.

El-Deeb also cited a story that appeared in the state-owned Al-Akhbar newspaper 
last January as providing mitigating evidence. The story alleged that "armed 
elements of the Shia party Hizbullah and the Islamist Hamas movement had 
managed to infiltrate Egypt through underground tunnels in Sinai to launch a 
series of subversive acts, including storming the headquarters of the Radio and 
Television Union and torching the headquarters of the NDP."

El-Deeb claimed that Mubarak did his best to respond to the demands of peaceful 
protesters: "Unlike other leaders in the Arab world he did not issue orders to 
open fire on protesters and he never sought to leave the country." 

He also claimed that violent clashes in Mohamed Mahmoud Street last November 
and in Qasr Al-Aini Street in December confirmed that gangs of armed rioters, 
rather than peaceful demonstrators, were behind the street protests. 

In a scathing attack against the prosecution El-Deeb singled out Mustafa 
Suleiman, the chief prosecutor who oversaw the investigation into allegations 
against Mubarak and his two sons, Alaa and Gamal, for particular scorn. 

"The chief prosecutor began by politicising the case. Instead of focussing on 
criminal charges, he concentrated on the political issue of succession though 
this is not on the charge sheet levelled against president Mubarak. He spoke 
ill of Mubarak's wife Suzanne, insulting her although she is not one of the 
defendants, and accusing her of orchestrating the succession scenario. Yet he 
never offered any clear evidence about this alleged scenario." 

"Why," El-Deeb asked rhetorically, "did the chief prosecutor focus on the issue 
of succession? The answer is that he wanted to make it a hot topic for the 
media. He wanted to slander president Mubarak and his family and defame their 
reputations."

Article 1130 of the law on criminal procedures, said El-Deeb, obliges 
prosecutors not to direct insults to defendants without clear evidence "yet the 
chief prosecutor took the floor to launch a smear campaign against my client 
de

[proletar] Lagu Imlek

2012-01-21 Thread cha6966 
Besok sudah Imlek..

Gong Xi Fa Cai.

Video Klip Lagu Imlek dari Rani

Perpaduan antara penyanyi Indonesia, menyanyikan lagu baru Gong Xi Fa Cai 
dengan iringan irama mandarin yang mendayu-dayu, ada irama Sunda, Betawi, jawa 
dan dangdutnya juga...
Ini lagu imlek baru 2012
Tahun Baru Imlek 2563 

http://s260.vuclip.com/e0/c6/e0c6e02a201aef0c03c01c138607a5ee/ba63207/gongxifacaihong_e0c6_w_2.3gp?c=263232937&u=1372289739&s=BNMEng&z=1202

Indahnya berbagi keceriaan Imlek :)

Selamat Pagi...

Ch@​​™
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[proletar] East Timor's Stolen Children

2012-01-21 Thread Sunny 
  
http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4154&Itemid=202


  East Timor's Stolen Children
  Written by Citra Dyah Prastuti  
  Friday, 20 January 2012 

 
 
Rafael Urano and his lost cousin 
  Families seek young taken away during Indonesia's occupation

  From his village around 160 km from East Timor's capital Dili, Miguel 
Amaral recalls the day his 6-year-old son Cipriano was taken away. 

  “It was 1977 and the Indonesians came in a military helicopter," he says. 
"We had no warning. We just saw a helicopter flying away with our son in it.” 

  Many of East Timor’s missing children have found their way home, but 
hundred of parents like Amaral are still dreaming of the day they will be 
reunited with their lost sons and daughters. During Indonesia’s brutal 
occupation of East Timor, some 4,000 Timorese children were taken out of the 
country by Indonesians. 

  Cipriano was taken along with his uncle Urbano, where they were held in 
an orphanage run by the Indonesian military. 

  “In 1978 the wives of some Indonesian soldiers came to visit," he 
recalls. "Cipriano was a cute looking boy with white, pale skin and he and 
another girl were chosen and taken away. He has been missing since.” 

  Urbano was later taken to an orphanage in Java and given a free education 
until high school. It wasn’t until he graduated from university in 2008 that he 
returned to his birthplace, now an independent nation. For Urbano, it was a 
bittersweet return. He was reunited with his family and also a grieving Amaral, 
who is still searching for his lost son. 

  After gaining independence from Indonesia in 1999, East Timor set up a 
fact-finding commission called CAVR to investigate what had happened to the 
Timorese people during the Indonesian occupation. A small part of the report 
published seven years ago acknowledged that children were taken out of the 
country. 

  The current head of the commission, Agustinho de Vasconcelos, says there 
is not much more they can do to try and find East Timor’s lost children. 

  “Basically the least we can do is keep collecting information about these 
cases, but then we have to wait and see how we can proceed from there. To be 
truthful, there are just too many cases for us too handle,” he says. 

  Vitor da Costa heads the Jakarta-based Families of Missing People 
Association. His Timorese parents died when he was young and his relatives 
agreed to allow an Indonesian family to adopt him because they were so poor. 
While his stepfather always made it clear to him that he was Timorese, it was 
not till he was 34 years old that he went home. 

  “For a long time it was just a dream in my heart. I didn’t have the money 
and I didn’t know how I could go home. So I just pushed the idea aside,” he 
says. 

  Deciding to take a month off work, he traveled to East Timor to look for 
surviving members of his family. 

  “When I reached East Timor, I felt really happy, but I was also confused. 
I did not know where to go or who to meet. I wanted to look for my family but I 
did not know who to ask. The only people I could count on were friends from 
human rights community in Dili,” he says. 

  It was through them that he finally got in contact with his family, but 
he was not welcomed back into his village straight away. 

  “They said I was considered dead, so they had built a small grave in 
between my parents’ graves. I have to be brought back to life again through 
some rituals. I felt sad... and angry,” he says. “I was angry with my family, 
but they said the situation back then was different. They did not know where 
and how to find me.” 

  Six years later, after saving enough money to pay for the necessary 
rituals, Vitor de Costa went back to East Timor again and met with his family. 

  “That was the happiest moment in my life. I was so thankful that I got to 
experience it. Even though I was not able to meet my parents,” he says, 
pointing to photos of his Timorese relatives hanging on the wall. 

  Today, de Costa says he is determined to help more divided Timorese 
families reunite and rediscover their roots. 

  Back in East Timor, Urbano and Amarel hope they will be reunited with 
Cipriano one day. 

  “I have a message for Cipriano,” Urbano says. “We’re waiting for you. 
Every time your parents hear your name, their eyes are filled with tears.” 

  (This article was first broadcast on Asia Calling, a regional current 
affairs radio program produced by Indonesia’s independent radio news agency 
KBR68H and broadcast in local languages in 10 countries across Asia. You can 
find more stories from Asia Calling at www.asiacalling.or
 


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[proletar] Harga Bensin Diusulkan Rp 6.400

2012-01-21 Thread Sunny 
http://epaper.tempo.co/PUBLICATIONS/KT/KT/2012/01/22/ArticleHtmls/Harga-Bensin-Diusulkan-Rp-6400-22012012001003.shtml?Mode=0

Harga Bensin Diusulkan Rp 6.400 
JAKARTA 
Silakan DPR saja.

Pemerintah diminta menyediakan bahan bakar minyak jenis Premium nonsubsidi 
seharga Rp 6.400 per liter.
Usulan ini disebut sebagai opsi jalan tengah untuk menghindari gejolak di 
masyarakat yang kaget ketika harus ber alih ke Pertamax. Opsi ini juga untuk 
mengatasi kerepotan dalam konversi gas, mengingat belum adanya kesiapan 
infrastruktur. 
Anggota Komisi Energi Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat, Satya W. Yudha, menjelaskan, 
harga itu dipatok dari asumsi harga pasar Premium Rp 8.000 per liter. “Pajak 
penjualan ditanggung pemerintah, didapatlah angka itu,“ katanya kepada Tempo 
kemarin. Harga Premium sekarang merupakan harga setelah adanya subsidi 
pemerintah yang menanggung margin dan pajak penjualan.

Menurut Satya, harga Premium nonsubsidi secara perlahan disesuaikan dengan 
pasar. Sementara itu, pengawasan distribusi dan konsumsi BBM diperketat sembari 
mematangkan persiapan infrastruktur konversi gas. Satya mengatakan kebijakan 
yang akan disepakati DPR ada kemungkinan menaikkan harga BBM bersubsidi secara 
bertahap dan mengatur kelompok masyarakat penerimanya.

Pemerintah berencana membatasi penggunaan bahan bakar bersubsidi jenis Premium 
mulai 1 April mendatang. Kendaraan pribadi harus menggunakan bahan bakar 
nonsubsidi atau beralih ke gas. Rencana ini belum kunjung ada kepastian, muncul 
solusi kenaikan harga, selain pembatasan.

Wakil Menteri Energi dan Sumber Daya Mineral Widjajono Partowidagdo 
menjelaskan, usulan menaikkan harga memang akan dibahas dengan DPR pekan depan. 
Salah satu materi pembahasan Anggaran Pendapatan dan Belanja Negara Perubahan 
2012 dipercepat. Soal usulan harga bensin,“Silakan DPR saja.“

Widjajono justru mengusulkan kenaikan harga Premium langsung ke angka Rp 6.000 
dari harga semula Rp 4.500 per liter. Soal apakah harga akan berlaku bagi 
penerima subsidi atau tidak, itu yang perlu dibicarakan dengan Dewan. Jika 
disetujui, kenaikan dilakukan bertahap hingga mencapai harga keekonomian.

Dia menambahkan, harga sengaja dipatok lebih tinggi daripada harga gas LGV yang 
sebesar Rp 5.600 per liter supaya masyarakat tetap memilih gas.“Rencana jangka 
panjang kan konversi ke bahan bakar gas,“ ujarnya. Wakil Direktur Reforminer 
Institute, Komaidi, mendesak pemerintah agar segera memutuskan langkah pasti 
dan konsumen yang perlu dilindungi tetap mendapatkan subsidi. GUSTIDHA 
BUDIARTIE | HARUN MAHBUB 


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[proletar] Saya kirim tulisan ini ke harian Singgalang.

2012-01-21 Thread Bukan Pedanda 
Saya kirim tulisan ini ke harian Singgalang.

--

January 22nd, 2012 at 00:20

Jadi Alex Aan ini adalah orang muda yang cerdas.

Dan berfikiran logis: dia tidak percaya Allah itu ada karena tidak ada bukti 
Allah itu memang ada.

Orang muda cerdas yang berfikiran logis inilah yang ditahan polisi.

Akibatnya kita lihat sekarang: dimuka opini umum internasional wajah Indonesia 
makin terpampang sebagai negeri yang tidak menghormati freedom of expression, 
yang adalah salah satu bahagian dari Hak Azazi Manusia.

Saya harap polisi menyadari kesalahannnya dan membebaskan Alex Aan dengan 
segera.

Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo
Leiden, Negeri Belanda.

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[proletar] Ketemu di FFI komentar berita pengkapan Alex Aan

2012-01-21 Thread Bukan Pedanda 

Ketemu di FFI komentar berita pengkapan Alex Aan: 

"Emang gak salah kalo suku Minang ini adalah gudangnya intelektuil dari jaman 
revolusi. Ampe di jagad maya pun, dedengkot2 murtadin-atheis adalah Minang. 
Buat para pengikut dunia maya dari jaman reformasi, ingatkah nama Jusfiq dan 
Hasan Basri...?? Kaya di atas, yang empat orang itu baru ADMINnya loh, gimana 
pula dg pengikutnya... Emang rasanya agama yang cocok buat orang Minang ini 
adalah atheisme. Islam dibuang ke tong sampah aja"

Sayang Hasan Basri kemudian jadi gila.

Dan sudah gila juga takut berobat kayak Dipo dan Roman Proteus






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Re: [proletar] Simping, Pulau Terkecil Di Dunia?

2012-01-21 Thread ajeg 

Ukuran pulau bisa bermacam-ragam. Yang pasti, dia adalah 
gundukan daratan yang dikelilingi air. 

Syarat untuk disebut 'pulau' al. harus terbentuk secara 
alamiah (lebih alamiah dari kehomoan si uplik & bleki), 
alias bukan hasil pengurukan. Pulau juga harus dihuni 
makhluk hidup, baik tumbuhan, hewan darat, maupun manusia. 
Karena itu, yang namanya pulau mutlak tidak boleh tenggelam 
saat air pasang. 

Ada juga gundukan yang tidak tenggelam tapi juga tidak 
ditumbuhi tanaman. Ini biasa orang sebut sebagai 'gosong'. 
Sedangkan yang tenggelam saat pasang atau malah timbul-
tenggelam sekalipun air surut, biasa disebut terumbu. 

Tanah Lot tidak bisa disebut pulau. Karena, sekalipun 
terbentuk secara alamiah, batuan di sana tergolong endapan 
vulkanik yang (lucunya) menyerupai komposit batuan G. Batur & 
G. Agung di utara sana. Jadi, bongkahan seperti Tanah Lot itu 
bisa disebut tebing karang. 

Lepas dari soal definisi pulau, betul, 3 pulau di utara Lombok 
itu memang legendaris. Dulu, sebelum Lombok serame sekarang, 
mereka disebut-sebut sebagai "garis depan" wisata nudis di 
Indonesia (artinya lokasi nudis terdekat dari peradaban / hunian 
penduduk), dengan pusat di Gili Terawangan yang dilengkapi 
deretan bar & diskotik pantai. 

Padahal, di depan hidung JKT, juga pernah ada lokasi serupa 
dengan fasilitas jauh lebih mewah di pulau Papa Theo (Petondan 
Timur) maupun P. Hantu (Antuk) Besar & Kecil di ujung utara 
Kepulauan Seribu. Sangat terpencil bahkan di kepulauan itu 
sendiri. 

Antuk Kecil (sebelah timur) dulu disewa JAL, makanya cukup 
legendaris di kalangan turis Jepang (sekarang namanya P. Pantara). Pulau 
Simping yang diceritakan duke itu mestinya lebih kecil dari 
Antuk Kecil yang luasnya sekitar 5-6 hektar. 

Sebagai gambaran, Gili Meno yang terkecil di antara trio Gili di 
Lombok itu luasnya masih 100-an hektar. 

--- ayub yahya  wrote:

> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_icDOl0_5G0/TWJppZoIWmI/fBc/eJRHHmtBmwI/s1600/Water-Temple-001.jpg
> 
> kalo tanah-lot yg di bali bisa dibilang pulau
> kayaknya dia yg terkecil didunia.. 
> 
> dibanding sawahnya pak haji, tanah lot kalah jauh luasnya
> 
> hehehehe
> 
> 
> From: Sunny 
> 
> > Berapa luas pulau  yang disebut terkecil di dunia?
> > 
> > From: ayub yahya 
> > 
> > > di P.Lombok jg ada 3 pulau kecil2, namanya Gili terawangan, 
> > > Gili Mano, Gili Air.
> > > Gili artinya pulau kecil... Gili Mano kayaknya pulau yg 
> > > terkecil dari ke 3 pulau tsb... 
> > > 
> > > jalan kaki 20 menit udah bisa muterin pulau.
> > > 
> > > Unik emang kalo kita tinggal di pulau kecil, jalan2 bentar 
> > > kemana aja ketemu air,
> > > yg pasti, di pulau kecil sulit didapat sumber air tawar, 
> > > akibatnya sampah plastik 
> > > 
> > > kemasan air mineral jd numpuk...
> > > 
> > > http://wisataliburanindo.blogspot.com/2009/06/gili-air_02.html
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: liver_duke 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > http://endyonisius.blogspot.com/2012/01/simping-pulau-terkecil-di-dunia.html
> > > > 
> > > > "Tahukah anda...?? Pulau Simping adalah pulau terkecil di 
> > > > dunia dan telah diakui dan tercatat di PBB. Mari lestarikan 
> > > > alam kita", demikian tertera pada papan hijau tanpa identitas 
> > > > penulis maupun logo tertentu. Besar dugaan pernyataan 
> > > > tersebut dibuat oleh pengelola wisata kawasan Sinka Island 
> > > > Park dalam mempromosikan objek wisata Pulau Simping - Sinka 
> > > > Zoo yang berjarak 3 Km dari jalan raya utama. Tepatnya lokasi 
> > > > Pulau Simping terletak di perairan Pantai Teluk Mak Jantu, 
> > > > Desa Sedau Kecamatan Singkawang Selatan sebagai gerbang kota 
> > > > Singkawang jika berangkat dari arah Pontianak, ibukota 
> > > > Provinsi Kalimantan Barat. Suatu kreativitas nan sexy dalam 
> > > > mengundang pengunjung bahkan mendapat perhatian luas dari 
> > > > berbagai media termasuk internet, sekaligus godaan yang perlu
> > > > diuji keabsahannya sebagai khasanah kebanggaan Indonesia 
> > > > terutama Singkawang. Apakah benar Simping merupakan sebuah 
> > > > pulau bahkan terkecil di dunia, serta bagaimana peran PBB, 
> > > > jika yang dimaksud adalah akronim Perserikatan Bangsa-Bangsa 
> > > > dalam konteks ini? 
> > > > 
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[proletar] Pasangan Belum Nikah Dilarang Check In di Tangsel

2012-01-21 Thread Sunny 
http://www.hidayatullah.com/read/20768/21/01/2012/pasangan-belum-nikah-dilarang-check-in-di-tangsel.html
Pasangan Belum Nikah Dilarang Check In di Tangsel 


  
 
 
 
Sabtu, 21 Januari 2012 


Hidayatullah.com--Izin yang sudah dimantongi belasan hotel dan losmen yang ada 
di Tangerang Selatan (Tangsel) terancam dicabut. Pasalnya, Satpol PP dan DPRD 
Kota Tangsel Kota Tangsel yang melakukan inspeksi mendadak (sidak) menemukan 
pengelola penginapan memberikan ruang bagi pasangan tanpa status nikah menginap 
dalam satu kamar.

Wakil Wali Kota Tangsel, Benjamin Davnie berjanji siap mencabut izin usaha 
penginapan yang merusak citra Kota Tangsel yang Cerdas, Modern dan Religius. 
Seperti diketahui Satpol PP dan Komisi B DPRD Kota Tangsel, Rabu (18/1) 
menggelar sidak ke penginapan di sekitar Jalan Ir H Djuanda, Kelurahan 
Cirendeu, Kecamatan Ciputat Timur.

Dalam sidak, ditemukan 18 pasangan tanpa status resmi pernikahan menginap satu 
kamar. Ditemukan juga sejumlah kondom habis pakai dan minuman keras (miras) di 
dalam kamar.

"Akan dicabut izin operasional penginapan tersebut. Apalagi melanggar," terang 
Benyamin Davnie dikutip JPPN, Sabtu (21/01/2012). 

Dia juga mengatakan, pihaknya akan melakukan pendataan. Setelah itu akan 
dilakukan kajian dan mencari jalan keluar yang dianggap tepat sehingga tidak 
merugikan pengusaha dan juga tidak mencederai motto Kota Tangsel.

"Kami tidak mentolelir penginapan-penginapan yang menodai motto Kota Tangsel," 
tegasnya.

Sekretaris MUI Kota Tangsel Abdul Rojak mendesak ketegasan pemda.

"Pemda harus buat aturan yang tepat. Sehingga menjadi acuan bagi para pengusaha 
penginapan menjalankan bisnisnya. Hotel boleh ada. Namun diharap hotel murni 
penginapan. Bukan untuk tepat esek-esek," tegasnya.

Sementara itu Wakil Ketua Komisi B, Siti Chadijah mengatakan, hasil temuan 
sidak akan dirapatkan di DPRD. Sebab, hotel-hotel di Tangsel terindikasi belum 
memiliki aturan resmi dan ketegasan tentang tamu yang diperkenankan menginap.

"Akan ada pembahasan soal ini. Keberadaan hotel harus sesuai fungsinya. Bukan 
untuk tempat mesum," ucapnya.*

Rep: Panji Islam
Red: Cholis Akbar

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Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over

2012-01-21 Thread ajeg 

Yeah, ngayal terus. 

Bulan lalu lu ngebacot mau bunuh gua.. Mana? 
Ayo buktiin. 

Boleh aja lu merasa ngebantai orang di sini. 
Tapi tentu aja itu cuma "kalo ga salah". 
Sebab, di mata orang-orang mah elu lagi sibuk 
ngeloco. 

Gak salah lagi. 

--- item abu  wrote:

> Hehehe... gua ngebantai Islam dan orang Islam di milis ini koq.
>  
> 
> From: safin _blanc 
>
> > terserah lo.
> > memang cuma banci pengecut yg diam aja dihina orang lain.
> >
> > bukan pedanda itu belum jawab gimana kalau salman rusdi berak 
> > dimukanya...
> > entah marah, entah kesedapan.. kita semua kgak tau..
> >
> >
> > item abu  wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > > Hehehe ... Salman Rushdie cuma bikin novel fiksi sesuai dgn apa 
> > > yg ada di sumber Islam sendiri. Dianggap ngehina Islam.
> > >
> > > Krn Islam ngehina agama lain dan penganutnya, hrsnya orang 
> > > Islam jg dibantai tuh.
> > 







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[proletar] Re: Germany: Muslim Kills His Girlfriend's Unborn Baby Because She Saw Male Doctor

2012-01-21 Thread muskitawati 
Ini merupakan bukti lagi bahwa ajaran Islam memang biadab dan tidak seharusnya 
ajaran agama ini dibolehkan untuk dipraktekkan di semua negara2 maju.

Islam bukan mendidik yang jahat jadi baik tetapi mendidik yang baik menjadi 
jahat.

Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.









--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Orang Islam yg soleh ini ga terima ceweknya diperiksa oleh dokter cowok, lalu 
> si orang Islam ini ngegebukin ceweknya sampe si cewek keguguran.
> Hehehe... tentunya orang Islam ini soleh krn ga mau ceweknya diperiksa dokter 
> cowok. Tp kan hrsnya yg pertama2 digebukin itu adalah dirinya yg udah zinah 
> dan ngehamilin ceweknya.
>  
> Wednesday, 18 January 2012
> Germany: Muslim Kills His Girlfriend's Unborn Baby Because She Saw Male 
> Doctor 
> 09:19 | Posted by Cheradenine Zakalwe 
> 
> A Muslim punches his pregnant girlfriend several times in the abdomen because 
> she was examined by a male doctor.
>   
> Thanks to the heavy punches the unborn baby suffered cerebral haemorrhages 
> while still in its mother's womb. It was possible for it to be delivered 
> later through emergency Caesarian section, but it died of its serious 
> injuries two days later in the hospital. 
> >
> >As the child was not born at the time of the action, the indictment against 
> >the 21-year-old refers only to "abortion" and not to murder. 
> >
> >The starting point for the fateful event was a routine gynaecological 
> >examination of the pregnant woman. As the female doctor who was usually 
> >responsible for her was on holiday, the examination was performed by a male 
> >substitute on an exceptional basis. For the then 20-year-old boyfriend of 
> >the heavily pregnant woman, a practising Muslim, this was horrific. 
> >
> >When the Rheine resident learned of the examination by the doctor, a major 
> >row broke out between the couple. In this the perpetrator is said to have 
> >struck his seven-month pregnant girlfriend forcefully several times in the 
> >abdomen, so that she had to be taken to a hospital, where the foetus died 
> >after an emergency birth. Source: Web.de
> 
> UPDATE: The Muslim got 2 years and 9 months for this. His name is Ahmad 
> Sherzai, of Afghan origin but with German citizenship. His girlfriend was of 
> German origin and from a Catholic family. 
> 
> Both Sherzai and his father ("a devout family") have had a long history of 
> trouble with the police. Why are our governments allowing these savages into 
> our countries then not deporting them when their criminality is proven?
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death threats

2012-01-21 Thread safin _blanc 
demi hak azazi, lo bebas ngebantai islam dan orang islam di milis ini..

demi hak azazi, salman rusdi berhak berak dimuka kalian berdua (item ama
bukan pedanda)

ingat, tiap pagi, siang, malam, kalo si salman pengen berak, siaplah
jilatin pantatnya..
paham?


On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM, item abu  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hehehe... gua ngebantai Islam dan orang Islam di milis ini koq.
>
>
>
> From: safin _blanc 
> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM
>
> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
> literary festival over death threats
> >
> >terserah lo.
> >memang cuma banci pengecut yg diam aja dihina orang lain.
> >
> >bukan pedanda itu belum jawab gimana kalau salman rusdi berak dimukanya...
> >entah marah, entah kesedapan.. kita semua kgak tau..
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:06 AM, item abu  wrote:
> >
> >> **
>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hehehe ... Salman Rushdie cuma bikin novel fiksi sesuai dgn apa yg ada
> di
> >> sumber Islam sendiri. Dianggap ngehina Islam.
> >>
> >> Krn Islam ngehina agama lain dan penganutnya, hrsnya orang Islam jg
> >> dibantai tuh.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: safin _blanc 
> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> >> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:18 AM
> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
> >> literary festival over death threats
> >>
> >> >
> >> >lo boleh saja membela salman rusdi karena itu memang hak setiap orang
> utk
> >> >mengemukakan pendapat... sayangnya, pendapat si salman telah sangat
> >> >melampaui batas..
> >> >
> >> >supaya lo ngarti, pendapat dia itu seperti ibarat nya dia berak di muka
> >> >lo.. apa lo kgak marah, meskipun dia bilang berak itu hak azazi
> manusia..?
> >> >apa lo mau makan itu taik salman rusdi? kalo lo sebangsa babi, ya
> makanlah
> >> >itu..
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Bukan Pedanda <
> bukan.peda...@yahoo.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> **
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Inilah Islam, agama yang hanya pantas untuk anjing dan binatang
> buas...
> >> >>
> >> >> Dan masih ada orangt berotak anjign yang percaya Islam itu rahmat
> untuk
> >> >> ummat manusia...
> >> >>
> >> >> 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death
> >> threats
> >> >> By Sara Sidner and Sumnima Udas, CNN
> >> >> January 20, 2012 -- Updated 1040 GMT (1840 HKT)
> >> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book
> >> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book "The Satanic
> >> >> Verses."
> >> >> STORY HIGHLIGHTS
> >> >>
> >> >> Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses," which sparked protests in Muslim
> >> world
> >> >> Author: "Paid assassins from Mumbai underworld" may be planning
> attacks
> >> on
> >> >> him
> >> >> Rushdie has faced threats before
> >> >>
> >> >> Jaipur, India (CNN) -- British author Salman Rushdie on Friday
> canceled
> >> >> his appearance at the Jaipur literary festival in India following
> >> warnings
> >> >> of threats to his life.
> >> >>
> >> >> "I have now been informed by intelligence sources in Maharashtra and
> >> >> Rajasthan that paid assassins from the Mumbai underworld may be on
> their
> >> >> way to Jaipur to 'eliminate' me," Rushdie said in a statement.
> >> >>
> >> >> "While I have some doubts about the accuracy of this intelligence, it
> >> >> would be irresponsible of me to come to the festival in such
> >> circumstances;
> >> >> irresponsible to my family, to the festival audience, and to my
> fellow
> >> >> writers. I will therefore not travel to Jaipur as planned."
> >> >>
> >> >> Rushdie, who was born in Mumbai, India, in 1947, has faced threats
> >> before.
> >> >>
> >> >> The writer rose to international notoriety with his 1980s novel, "The
> >> >> Satanic Verses," which stirred protests throughout the Muslim world.
> >> >> Rushdie lived under protection in Britain for nearly 10 years after a
> >> >> fatwa, a death sentence, was issued against him by Iran's
> then-Supreme
> >> >> Leader Ayatollah Khomeini.
> >> >>
> >> >> Khomeini considered lines in the book as blasphemous against Islam.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [proletar] PRESIDEN PERTIMBANGKAN HARGA BBM NAIK

2012-01-21 Thread ajeg 

Bener kan, si bleki itu homo. Semuanya serba nggak jelas. 
Wajar setiap ngebacot dia selalu bilang "kalo ga salah". 

Bukti kehomoannya yang lain, liat gaya dia nyubit SBY sambil 
bilang, "Ga tau malu deh..." 

--- item abu  wrote:

> Waktu si SBY kampanye unt jadi presiden ke2xnya, si SBY ngakunya 
> cuma di jaman pemerintahannya aja harga BBM itu bisa turun. Tp si 
> SBY ini ga ngomong bhw harga BBM itu dinaikkan dulu sebelumnya, 
> kalo ga salah dr sekitar 3800 ke 5000-6000. Baru belakangan 
> diturunkan jadi sekitar 4500.
>  
> Ga tau malu deh si SBY ini, udah jelas2 di jaman pemerintahannya 
> harga BBM itu naik, eh ngakunya turun. Ga beda dgn orang2 Islam 
> plus plus di milis ini yg jg ngefitnah tanpa kenal malu, udah 
> jelas2 fitnah, eh msh ga mau ngaku. 
>







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[proletar] Menjawab Polemik: Dugaan Korupsi Pemadam Kebakaran di Surabaya Rp. 14 Milyar

2012-01-21 Thread JARAK - Jaringan Anti Korupsi 
Kepada Yth.

Walikota Surabaya



Dengan Hormat, 

Sehubungan
 dengan polemik tentang dugaan korupsi pemadam kebakaran, sebagaimana 
analisa yang kami sampaikan pada walikota Surabaya sebelumnya, menurut 
kami, 
ada beberapa hal yang patut diperhatikan, dan agar tidak dibelok2kan isunya, 
dengan polemik atau bantahan dari kepala dinas pemadam kebakaran 
surabaya yang menyalahkan anak buahnya, maupun jawaban dari CV Kenari 
Jaya kepada wartawan, yakni:



1. Untuk pengadaan barang tentunya 
penyedia barang harus menawarkan barang sesuai spesifikasi yang diminta.
 Jika penyedia barang menawarkan barang tidak sesuai spesifikasi, dan 
dimenangkan, itu
 akan menimbulkan tanda tanya, ada apakah ini???



2. Ketika sudah 
dimenangkan, dan sudah dilakukan kontrak, ternyata penyedia barang tidak
 dapat mengirim barang, sampai batas waktu kontrak habis, maka 
seharusnya mulai dihitung denda. 



3. Jika sampai waktu kontrak 
habis dan ditambah batas waktu maksimal sesuai peraturan (yakni 50 hari 
kerja, setara dengan denda maksimal 5%), penyedia barang tidak juga 
mengirim barang, sesuai peraturan harus dilakukan pemutusan kontrak, 
jaminan peaksanaan dicairkan dan terhadap penyedia barang dilakukan 
black-list/ daftar hitam. Dalam kasus ini, bataswaktu ini sudah 
terlewati, kenapa tetap dilakukan pembayaran, meskipun barang belum 
dikirim sama sekali?  Ini menimbulkan pertanyaan. Apalagi akhirnya 
barang baru dikirim beberapa bulan kemudian setelah batas waktu dimana 
seharusnya sudah dilakukan pemutusan kontrak.



4. Bantahan dari 
kepala dinas pemadam kebakaran Surabaya, yang terkesan lepas tangan
 dan menuding bawahannya sebagai pihak yang bertanggungjawab, menurut 
kami kurang tepat, karena perintah untuk membayar/ SPMU yang 
menandatangani adalah kepala dinas



5. Pertanyaan yang menggelitik
 adalah, uang Rp 14 milyar (yang katanya diblokir) adalah ditempatkan 
pada rekening bank milik orang tertentu. Jika dihitung bahwa uang 
sebesar itu ada didalam rekening dan mengendap selama setahun, tentunya 
mendapatkan bunga. Dihitung saja misalnya mendapat bunga paling minimal 
yakni 5% setahun. Tentunya ada bunga bank minimal sebesar Rp. 700 juta. 
Siapa yang menikmati uang bunga bank ini???



Demikian pendapat kami

JARAK - Jaringan Anti Korupsi



Drs. M. Eko Rusianto

HP: 085851391999

www.jaringanantikorupsi.blogspot.com

cc. Instansi Tang berwenang



--

From: Baso Salazar <.@gmail.com>

Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 11:52 PM



Ada
 info katanya ini melibatkan oknum mafia terkenal bernama Rudy, yg juga 
pengurus Kadin (kamar dagang & industri) Jawa Timur, yang 
mengatur pengadaan tersebut, maka mungkin kasus tak berlanjut alias 
masuk peti es, biar dingin





From: Al Faqir Ilmi <.@yahoo.com>

Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 10:33 
PMhttp://www.suaramandiri.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1063%3Apengadaan-mobil-damkar-mencapai-14-m-bermasalah-cv-kenari-jaya-berkelit&catid=178%3Aheadline

Pengadaan Mobil Damkar Capai 14 M Bermasalah, CV Kenari Jaya Berkelit

suaramandiri.com (Surabaya) - Pengadaan mobil tangga pemadam 
kebakaran tahun anggaran 2010 yang nilainya mencapai hampir 14 Miliar 
menurut JARAK (Jaringan Anti Korupsi - 
http://jaringanantikorupsi.blogspot.com/2012/01/jurnalhukum-dugaan-korupsi-alat-pemadam.html)
 kental aroma Korupsi, Kolusi, dan 
Nepotisme. Pasalnya, sampai sekarang mobil damkar tersebut belum 
terealisasi dan tidak ada serah terima dari rekanan yang menjadi 
pemenang, CV Kenari Jaya ke Dinas Pemadam Kebakaran Kota Surabaya.



CV Kenari Jaya melalui Adi sewaktu dihubungi suaramandiri.com, Selasa
 (17/01/2012) via selular membantah bila pengadaan mobil damkar 
bermasalah.



"Sudah serah terima, tapi mobil damkar dikembalikan lagi karena rusak. Karena 
spare partnya impor semua, maka adanya Force Majeur itu yang membuat lambat dan 
semuanya dalam proses garansi," ucapnya.



Kepala Dinas Pemadam Kebakaran Kota Surabaya, Nusri Faroch, SH M. hum
 terkesan 'cuci tangan' dan membantah indikasi korupsi terkait pengadaan
 mobil damkar ini yang sampai sekarang belum terealisasi, sebab 
menurutnya uang belum dicairkan. Nusri Faroch malah balik menuding 
Kasubid Sarana dan Prasarana, Bergas sebagai pihak yang bertanggung 
jawab. Yudha
-

http://jaringanantikorupsi.blogspot.com/2012/01/jurnalhukum-dugaan-korupsi-alat-pemadam.html

Dugaan Korupsi Alat Pemadam Kebakaran di Surabaya Rp. 14 Milyar






  

Kepada Yth
Walikota Surabaya

Dengan Hormat,

Bersama ini kami menyampaikan bahwa dalam pengadaan mobil tangga pemadam 
kebakaran di kota Surabaya dengan rincian:

kode  pembayaran : 2500.0002.10.9442
nama

Re: [proletar] Orang Islam (Dipo yang sedeng berat dan QS 76:19)

2012-01-21 Thread ajeg 

Bagus. 

Si bleki akhirnya ngaku pengkhayal yang gak tau apa-apa & 
gak yakin sama bacotannya sendiri, makanya dia selalu bilang 
"kalo ga salah". 

Soal pantatnya yang diobrak-abrik pastur memang dia belum ngaku. 

Perlu sabar nunggu pengakuan bleki. 

Tapi, besar juga kemungkinan dia bantah begini: "pantat gua masih 
tingting nih, kalo ga salah" ... 

--- item abu  wrote:

> Hehehe... jadi Quran ga ngelarang ngembat lobang pantat, termasuk 
> lobang pantat cowok atau jg lobang pantat binatang. Berarti halal 
> tuh.
>  
> Kalo si ajeg ini tahu Quran, dia pasti tahu ayat mana yg gua 
> maksudkan, tp dia kagak tau apa2, makanya dia cuma bisa kaing2 soal 
> gua pake kata "kalo ga salah". Menyedihkan sekali melihat orang 
> Islam ga tau apa2 ttg Islam, tp malahan jd pembela Islam. Betul2 
> dungu orang kayak gitu.
>  
> 
> From: ajeg 
> >
> > --- Musik hari Ini  wrote:
> > > 
> > > From: item abu 
> > >  
> > > > Di mana Quran bilang ngembat lobang pantat cowok itu 
> > > > dilarang? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Faham omongan Dipo 
> >
> > Buat si tolol itu nggak ada larangan berarti harus. Pantes dia 
> > nurut aja diembatin sama pasturnya. 
> >
> > > 
> > > > Kagak ada tuh.
> > > > Sebaliknya Quran bilang orang Islam bisa nunjukin kontolnya 
> > > > ke cowok yg ga doyan cewek kalo ga salah. 
> >
> > Dasar bleki tukang ngayal, kaing-kaing galak taunya cuma "kalo ga 
> > salah" doang. 
> >
> > Kebanyakan ngemut titit uplik si raja ngigo. 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [proletar] Simping, Pulau Terkecil Di Dunia?

2012-01-21 Thread Sunny 
Tks

From: ayub yahya 
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:45 PM
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [proletar] Simping, Pulau Terkecil Di Dunia?

  

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_icDOl0_5G0/TWJppZoIWmI/fBc/eJRHHmtBmwI/s1600/Water-Temple-001.jpg

kalo tanah-lot yg di bali bisa dibilang pulau
kayaknya dia yg terkecil didunia.. 

dibanding sawahnya pak haji, tanah lot kalah jauh luasnya

hehehehe


From: Sunny 
  


  
Berapa luas pulau yang disebut terkecil di dunia?

From: ayub yahya 
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:11 PM
To: mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [proletar] Simping, Pulau Terkecil Di Dunia?

di P.Lombok jg ada 3 pulau kecil2, namanya Gili terawangan, Gili Mano, Gili Air.
Gili artinya pulau kecil... Gili Mano kayaknya pulau yg terkecil dari ke 3 
pulau tsb... 

jalan kaki 20 menit udah bisa muterin pulau.

Unik emang kalo kita tinggal di pulau kecil, jalan2 bentar kemana aja ketemu 
air,
yg pasti, di pulau kecil sulit didapat sumber air tawar, akibatnya sampah 
plastik 

kemasan air mineral jd numpuk...

http://wisataliburanindo.blogspot.com/2009/06/gili-air_02.html


From: liver_duke 

http://endyonisius.blogspot.com/2012/01/simping-pulau-terkecil-di-dunia.html

"Tahukah anda...?? Pulau Simping adalah pulau terkecil di dunia
dan telah diakui dan tercatat di PBB. Mari lestarikan alam kita",
demikian tertera pada papan hijau tanpa identitas penulis maupun
logo tertentu. Besar dugaan pernyataan tersebut dibuat oleh
pengelola wisata kawasan Sinka Island Park dalam mempromosikan
objek wisata Pulau Simping - Sinka Zoo yang berjarak 3 Km dari
jalan raya utama. Tepatnya lokasi Pulau Simping terletak di perairan
Pantai Teluk Mak Jantu, Desa Sedau Kecamatan Singkawang Selatan
sebagai gerbang kota Singkawang jika berangkat dari arah Pontianak,
ibukota Provinsi Kalimantan Barat. Suatu kreativitas nan sexy
dalam mengundang pengunjung bahkan mendapat perhatian luas dari
berbagai media termasuk internet, sekaligus godaan yang perlu
diuji keabsahannya sebagai khasanah kebanggaan Indonesia terutama
Singkawang. Apakah benar Simping merupakan sebuah pulau bahkan
terkecil di dunia, serta bagaimana peran PBB, jika yang dimaksud
adalah akronim Perserikatan Bangsa-Bangsa dalam konteks ini?

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Re: [proletar] Simping, Pulau Terkecil Di Dunia?

2012-01-21 Thread ayub yahya 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_icDOl0_5G0/TWJppZoIWmI/fBc/eJRHHmtBmwI/s1600/Water-Temple-001.jpg


kalo tanah-lot yg di bali bisa dibilang pulau
kayaknya dia yg terkecil didunia.. 


dibanding sawahnya pak haji, tanah lot kalah jauh luasnya

hehehehe






 From: Sunny 
  
 

  
Berapa luas pulau  yang disebut terkecil di dunia?

From: ayub yahya 
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:11 PM
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [proletar] Simping, Pulau Terkecil Di Dunia?

di P.Lombok jg ada 3 pulau kecil2, namanya Gili terawangan, Gili Mano, Gili Air.
Gili artinya pulau kecil... Gili Mano kayaknya pulau yg terkecil dari ke 3 
pulau tsb... 

jalan kaki 20 menit udah bisa muterin pulau.

Unik emang kalo kita tinggal di pulau kecil, jalan2 bentar kemana aja ketemu 
air,
yg pasti, di pulau kecil sulit didapat sumber air tawar, akibatnya sampah 
plastik 

kemasan air mineral jd numpuk...

http://wisataliburanindo.blogspot.com/2009/06/gili-air_02.html


From: liver_duke 


http://endyonisius.blogspot.com/2012/01/simping-pulau-terkecil-di-dunia.html

"Tahukah anda...?? Pulau Simping adalah pulau terkecil di dunia
dan telah diakui dan tercatat di PBB. Mari lestarikan alam kita",
demikian tertera pada papan hijau tanpa identitas penulis maupun
logo tertentu. Besar dugaan pernyataan tersebut dibuat oleh
pengelola wisata kawasan Sinka Island Park dalam mempromosikan
objek wisata Pulau Simping - Sinka Zoo yang berjarak 3 Km dari
jalan raya utama. Tepatnya lokasi Pulau Simping terletak di perairan
Pantai Teluk Mak Jantu, Desa Sedau Kecamatan Singkawang Selatan
sebagai gerbang kota Singkawang jika berangkat dari arah Pontianak,
ibukota Provinsi Kalimantan Barat. Suatu kreativitas nan sexy
dalam mengundang pengunjung bahkan mendapat perhatian luas dari
berbagai media termasuk internet, sekaligus godaan yang perlu
diuji keabsahannya sebagai khasanah kebanggaan Indonesia terutama
Singkawang. Apakah benar Simping merupakan sebuah pulau bahkan
terkecil di dunia, serta bagaimana peran PBB, jika yang dimaksud
adalah akronim Perserikatan Bangsa-Bangsa dalam konteks ini?

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[proletar] Indonesian toddler has died of bird flu in Jakarta

2012-01-21 Thread Sunny 
http://arabnews.com/world/article565779.ece
Indonesian toddler has died of bird flu in Jakarta
By AP 

Published: Jan 20, 2012 14:54 Updated: Jan 20, 2012 14:54 

JAKARTA, Indonesia: Indonesian health officials say a 5-year-old girl has died 
of bird flu in Jakarta — just days after her uncle succumbed to the virus.

The H5N1 virus also claimed the lives of a man in Vietnam and a toddler in 
Cambodia this week. It has ravaged poultry stocks across Asia since 2003.

Indonesia’s health ministry said Friday that several lab tests confirmed the 
girl had the virus.

She and her 23-year-old uncle lived in the same house and are believed to have 
been infected by sick pigeons.

Bird flu rarely infects humans and usually only those who come in direct 
contact with diseased poultry. But experts fear it will mutate into a new form 
that passes easily from person to person.

Indonesia has been hardest hit.


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Re: [proletar] Simping, Pulau Terkecil Di Dunia?

2012-01-21 Thread Sunny 
Berapa luas pulau  yang disebut terkecil di dunia?

From: ayub yahya 
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:11 PM
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [proletar] Simping, Pulau Terkecil Di Dunia?

  
di P.Lombok jg ada 3 pulau kecil2, namanya Gili terawangan, Gili Mano, Gili Air.
Gili artinya pulau kecil... Gili Mano kayaknya pulau yg terkecil dari ke 3 
pulau tsb... 

jalan kaki 20 menit udah bisa muterin pulau.

Unik emang kalo kita tinggal di pulau kecil, jalan2 bentar kemana aja ketemu 
air,
yg pasti, di pulau kecil sulit didapat sumber air tawar, akibatnya sampah 
plastik 

kemasan air mineral jd numpuk...

http://wisataliburanindo.blogspot.com/2009/06/gili-air_02.html


From: liver_duke 
  


  
http://endyonisius.blogspot.com/2012/01/simping-pulau-terkecil-di-dunia.html

"Tahukah anda...?? Pulau Simping adalah pulau terkecil di dunia
dan telah diakui dan tercatat di PBB. Mari lestarikan alam kita",
demikian tertera pada papan hijau tanpa identitas penulis maupun
logo tertentu. Besar dugaan pernyataan tersebut dibuat oleh
pengelola wisata kawasan Sinka Island Park dalam mempromosikan
objek wisata Pulau Simping - Sinka Zoo yang berjarak 3 Km dari
jalan raya utama. Tepatnya lokasi Pulau Simping terletak di perairan
Pantai Teluk Mak Jantu, Desa Sedau Kecamatan Singkawang Selatan
sebagai gerbang kota Singkawang jika berangkat dari arah Pontianak,
ibukota Provinsi Kalimantan Barat. Suatu kreativitas nan sexy
dalam mengundang pengunjung bahkan mendapat perhatian luas dari
berbagai media termasuk internet, sekaligus godaan yang perlu
diuji keabsahannya sebagai khasanah kebanggaan Indonesia terutama
Singkawang. Apakah benar Simping merupakan sebuah pulau bahkan
terkecil di dunia, serta bagaimana peran PBB, jika yang dimaksud
adalah akronim Perserikatan Bangsa-Bangsa dalam konteks ini?

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[proletar] Doha Debates: Egypt Military Does Not Want Real Reform

2012-01-21 Thread Sunny 
Untuk melihat debat, click :

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7586

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Re: [proletar] Simping, Pulau Terkecil Di Dunia?

2012-01-21 Thread ayub yahya 
di P.Lombok jg ada 3 pulau kecil2, namanya Gili terawangan, Gili Mano, Gili Air.
Gili artinya pulau kecil... Gili Mano kayaknya pulau yg terkecil dari ke 3 
pulau tsb... 

jalan kaki 20 menit udah bisa muterin pulau.

Unik emang kalo kita tinggal di pulau kecil, jalan2 bentar kemana aja ketemu 
air,
yg pasti, di pulau kecil sulit didapat sumber air tawar, akibatnya sampah 
plastik 

kemasan air mineral jd numpuk...

http://wisataliburanindo.blogspot.com/2009/06/gili-air_02.html




 From: liver_duke 
  
 

  
http://endyonisius.blogspot.com/2012/01/simping-pulau-terkecil-di-dunia.html

"Tahukah anda...?? Pulau Simping adalah pulau terkecil di dunia
dan telah diakui dan tercatat di PBB. Mari lestarikan alam kita",
demikian tertera pada papan hijau tanpa identitas penulis maupun
logo tertentu. Besar dugaan pernyataan tersebut dibuat oleh
pengelola wisata kawasan Sinka Island Park dalam mempromosikan
objek wisata Pulau Simping - Sinka Zoo yang berjarak 3 Km dari
jalan raya utama. Tepatnya lokasi Pulau Simping terletak di perairan
Pantai Teluk Mak Jantu, Desa Sedau Kecamatan Singkawang Selatan
sebagai gerbang kota Singkawang jika berangkat dari arah Pontianak,
ibukota Provinsi Kalimantan Barat. Suatu kreativitas nan sexy
dalam mengundang pengunjung bahkan mendapat perhatian luas dari
berbagai media termasuk internet, sekaligus godaan yang perlu
diuji keabsahannya sebagai khasanah kebanggaan Indonesia terutama
Singkawang. Apakah benar Simping merupakan sebuah pulau bahkan
terkecil di dunia, serta bagaimana peran PBB, jika yang dimaksud
adalah akronim Perserikatan Bangsa-Bangsa dalam konteks ini?


 

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Re: [proletar] Re: Orang Islam akan jadi gay di sorga

2012-01-21 Thread Roman Proteus is back 
Bleki si anjing budug bertuhan kepada anjing dan selangkangan sehingga doyan 
banget ngomongin hal di bawah 


-Original Message-
From: item abu 
Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:59:08 
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Orang Islam akan jadi gay di sorga

Oh jadi lu bilang kalo cewek di sorga cuma dpt giliran diembat sekali di antara 
72 bidadari sementara cowoknya bisa ngembatain ke 72 bidadari tanpa henti 
berhubung kontolnya ngaceng abadi, maka mereka dpt hadiah yg sama, diperlakukan 
sama oleh auloh.
 
Hehehe... betul2 Islami tuh.
 

From: Abbas 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:50 AM
>Subject: [proletar] Re: Orang Islam akan jadi gay di sorga
>
>
>  
>Itulah itung2an orang idiot ! Kaya sama rata sama rasanya KOMUNIS !
>Tak peduli jasanya 100 ; yang lain 10 ; maka hadiahnya rata 19 !
>Itulah SAMA menurut manusia Debil, Idiot dan itemabu
>
>--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>>
>> Hehehe.. si Abbas ini ngoceh cowok dan cewek Islam itu ga dibedakan oleh 
>> auloh. Berarti, kalo cowok Islam dpt 72 bidadari di sorga, maka cewek Islam 
>> jg akan dpt 72 bidadarA, atau cowok muda tampan. Atau jg dpt 72 bidadari spt 
>> cowok.
>>  
>> Kalo cowok Islam akan berorgi gede2an dgn 72 bidadari, ber73some dgn ke 72 
>> bidadari, gimana ceweknya? Jg ber73some dgn 72 cowok tsb, bukan?
>>  
>> Heheh Abbas Amin ini udah ngoceh, tp dia ga mau terima apa konsekuensi 
>> dr ucapannya. Betul2 asal bunyi kayak kaing2 dr anjing buduk kejepit buntut.
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> From: Abbas 
>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:52 AM
>> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Orang Islam akan jadi gay di sorga
>> >
>> >
>> >  
>> >saya belum pengalaman tentang itu !
>> >Apa si idiot alias debil alias item abu punya pengalaman ?
>> >Atau barangkali mau coba2 cari pengalaman !
>> >
>> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hehehe... cowok dpt 72 bidadari perawan abadi di sorga, lalu apa yg didpt 
>> >> cewek di sorga? 72 pemuda perawan abadi jg?
>> >>  
>> >> Jadi nurut Abbas Amin, cewek Islam akan digangbang rame2 oleh 72 cowok 
>> >> perawan abadi krn ga dibedakan antara cewek dan cowok katanya.
>> >>  
>> >>  
>> >> 
>> >> From: Abbas 
>> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >> >Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:41 AM
>> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Orang Islam akan jadi gay di sorga
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >  
>> >> >Janji Tuhan adalah : Muslim baik laki atau perempuan akan dapat pahala 
>> >> >atau hukuman setimpal dengan kelakuannya ! Jadi tidak dibedakan antara 
>> >> >perempuan dan laki2. Kalau laki2 dapat pahala; maka perempuan nngak ! 
>> >> >Itulah terjemahan manusia DEBIL bin Idiot !
>> >> >
>> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hehehe .. jadi Abbas Amin bilang di sorga itu cewek2nya akan ngebet 
>> >> >> dgn pemuda2. Berarti di sorga versi Abbas Amin ini, cowok Islam akan 
>> >> >> bergi dgn 72 bidadari perawan abadi, cewek Islam akan digangbang oleh 
>> >> >> pemuda2 pelayan.
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Orgi gede2an tuh, hehehe...
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Di Quran itu, ada banyak ayat ditujukan ke cowok 
>> >> >> secara spesifik biarpun kata yg dipake adalah orang Islam atau kata 
>> >> >> ganti spt "kamu",, "mereka" dll bukan unt cewek sama sekali.
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Di ayat di bawah, orang Islam dikelilingi oleh anak muda dan jg 
>> >> >> bidadari yg di ayat disebutkan akan dikawini oleh orang Islam sambil 
>> >> >> bidadarinya tetap jadi perawan. Jadi orang Islam yg dimaksud itu cuma 
>> >> >> cowoknya doang, bukan cewek.
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Surat 56   Al-Waaqi'ah
>> >> >> 17. Mereka dikelilingi oleh anak-anak muda yang tetap muda,
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> 22. Dan ada bidadari-bidadari bermata jeli,
>> >> >> 23. laksana mutiara yang tersimpan baik.
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Krn 56:17 bilang cowoknya yg dikelilingi oleh pemuda2, maka 76:19 jg 
>> >> >> unt cowok doang, bukan cewek. 
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Jadi, orang Islam di sorga akan ngebet ke pemuda2, alias mereka 
>> >> >> melakukan homoseksualisme jg, hehehe...
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> From: Abbas 
>> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:28 AM
>> >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Orang Islam akan jadi gay di sorga
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >  
>> >> >> >Pikiran si idiot yang dipenuhi DENGKI terhadap Islam, hanya tahu 
>> >> >> >IS:AM itu lki2 ! Tak ada perempuannya !
>> >> >> >Padahal anak muda itu disediakan yah untuk lawan jenisnya lah.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Dia berharap bhwa di org orang2 akan seperi dia HO> >> >> >Hentikanlah hayalan idiotmu !
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 52:24. Dan berkeliling di sekitar mereka a

Re: [proletar] Orang Islam (Dipo yang sedeng berat dan QS 76:19)

2012-01-21 Thread Roman Proteus is back 
Bleki si anjing budug bertuhan kepada anjing dan selangkangan sehingga doyan 
banget ngomongin hal di bawah 

-Original Message-
From: item abu 
Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:10:06 
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [proletar] Orang Islam (Dipo yang sedeng berat dan QS 76:19)

Hehehe... jadi Quran ga ngelarang ngembat lobang pantat, termasuk lobang pantat 
cowok atau jg lobang pantat binatang. Berarti halal tuh.
 
Kalo si ajeg ini tahu Quran, dia pasti tahu ayat mana yg gua maksudkan, tp dia 
kagak tau apa2, makanya dia cuma bisa kaing2 soal gua pake kata "kalo ga 
salah". Menyedihkan sekali melihat orang Islam ga tau apa2 ttg Islam, tp 
malahan jd pembela Islam. Betul2 dungu orang kayak gitu.
 
 

From: ajeg 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [proletar] Orang Islam (Dipo yang sedeng berat dan QS 76:19)
>
>
>  
>
>--- Musik hari Ini  wrote:
>> 
>> From: item abu 
>> 
>> > Di mana Quran bilang ngembat lobang pantat cowok itu dilarang? 
>> 
>> 
>> > Faham omongan Dipo 
>
>Buat si tolol itu nggak ada larangan berarti harus. Pantes dia 
>nurut aja diembatin sama pasturnya. 
>
>> 
>> > Kagak ada tuh.
>> > Sebaliknya Quran bilang orang Islam bisa nunjukin kontolnya ke 
>> > cowok yg ga doyan cewek kalo ga salah. 
>
>Dasar bleki tukang ngayal, kaing-kaing galak taunya cuma "kalo ga 
>salah" doang. 
>
>Kebanyakan ngemut titit uplik si raja ngigo. 
>
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Re: [proletar] Re: CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death threats

2012-01-21 Thread Roman Proteus is back 
Bleki si anjing budug bertuhan kepada anjing dan selangkangan sehingga doyan 
banget ngomongin hal di bawah 

-Original Message-
From: item abu 
Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:05:02 
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: CNN :  'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of 
literary festival over death threats

Tentunya halal ngembat anak ingusan yg blm mens itu adalah rahmat dr auloh, 
bukan?
 
 

From: Abbas 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:58 AM
>Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary 
>festival over death threats
>
>
>  
>Ya benar Islam adalah rahmatan lil alamiiin.
>Iko Pedundu contoh baik rang anti Islam !
>jadi bisa dibayangkan baa utaknyo ! rang nan sikuk ko
>
>--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda"  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Inilah Islam, agama yang hanya pantas untuk anjing dan binatang buas...
>> 
>> Dan masih ada orangt berotak anjign yang percaya Islam itu rahmat untuk 
>> ummat manusia...
>> 
>> 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death threats
>> By Sara Sidner and Sumnima Udas, CNN
>> January 20, 2012 -- Updated 1040 GMT (1840 HKT)
>> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book
>> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book "The Satanic 
>> Verses."
>> STORY HIGHLIGHTS
>> 
>> Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses," which sparked protests in Muslim world
>> Author: "Paid assassins from Mumbai underworld" may be planning attacks on 
>> him
>> Rushdie has faced threats before
>> 
>> Jaipur, India (CNN) -- British author Salman Rushdie on Friday canceled his 
>> appearance at the Jaipur literary festival in India following warnings of 
>> threats to his life.
>> 
>> "I have now been informed by intelligence sources in Maharashtra and 
>> Rajasthan that paid assassins from the Mumbai underworld may be on their way 
>> to Jaipur to 'eliminate' me," Rushdie said in a statement.
>> 
>> "While I have some doubts about the accuracy of this intelligence, it would 
>> be irresponsible of me to come to the festival in such circumstances; 
>> irresponsible to my family, to the festival audience, and to my fellow 
>> writers. I will therefore not travel to Jaipur as planned."
>> 
>> Rushdie, who was born in Mumbai, India, in 1947, has faced threats before.
>> 
>> The writer rose to international notoriety with his 1980s novel, "The 
>> Satanic Verses," which stirred protests throughout the Muslim world. Rushdie 
>> lived under protection in Britain for nearly 10 years after a fatwa, a death 
>> sentence, was issued against him by Iran's then-Supreme Leader Ayatollah 
>> Khomeini.
>> 
>> Khomeini considered lines in the book as blasphemous against Islam.
>>
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Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death threats

2012-01-21 Thread Roman Proteus is back 
Menghayal lo 

Maklum deh bertuhan kepada anjing, ngaku aja tem tuhan elo kan Anjing


-Original Message-
From: item abu 
Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:52:30 
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary 
festival over death threats

Hehehe... gua ngebantai Islam dan orang Islam di milis ini koq.
 

From: safin _blanc 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary 
>festival over death threats
>
>terserah lo.
>memang cuma banci pengecut yg diam aja dihina orang lain.
>
>bukan pedanda itu belum jawab gimana kalau salman rusdi berak dimukanya...
>entah marah, entah kesedapan.. kita semua kgak tau..
>
>
>On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:06 AM, item abu  wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Hehehe ... Salman Rushdie cuma bikin novel fiksi sesuai dgn apa yg ada di
>> sumber Islam sendiri. Dianggap ngehina Islam.
>>
>> Krn Islam ngehina agama lain dan penganutnya, hrsnya orang Islam jg
>> dibantai tuh.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: safin _blanc 
>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
>> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:18 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
>> literary festival over death threats
>>
>> >
>> >lo boleh saja membela salman rusdi karena itu memang hak setiap orang utk
>> >mengemukakan pendapat... sayangnya, pendapat si salman telah sangat
>> >melampaui batas..
>> >
>> >supaya lo ngarti, pendapat dia itu seperti ibarat nya dia berak di muka
>> >lo.. apa lo kgak marah, meskipun dia bilang berak itu hak azazi manusia..?
>> >apa lo mau makan itu taik salman rusdi? kalo lo sebangsa babi, ya makanlah
>> >itu..
>> >
>> >
>> >On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Bukan Pedanda > >wrote:
>> >
>> >> **
>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Inilah Islam, agama yang hanya pantas untuk anjing dan binatang buas...
>> >>
>> >> Dan masih ada orangt berotak anjign yang percaya Islam itu rahmat untuk
>> >> ummat manusia...
>> >>
>> >> 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death
>> threats
>> >> By Sara Sidner and Sumnima Udas, CNN
>> >> January 20, 2012 -- Updated 1040 GMT (1840 HKT)
>> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book
>> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book "The Satanic
>> >> Verses."
>> >> STORY HIGHLIGHTS
>> >>
>> >> Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses," which sparked protests in Muslim
>> world
>> >> Author: "Paid assassins from Mumbai underworld" may be planning attacks
>> on
>> >> him
>> >> Rushdie has faced threats before
>> >>
>> >> Jaipur, India (CNN) -- British author Salman Rushdie on Friday canceled
>> >> his appearance at the Jaipur literary festival in India following
>> warnings
>> >> of threats to his life.
>> >>
>> >> "I have now been informed by intelligence sources in Maharashtra and
>> >> Rajasthan that paid assassins from the Mumbai underworld may be on their
>> >> way to Jaipur to 'eliminate' me," Rushdie said in a statement.
>> >>
>> >> "While I have some doubts about the accuracy of this intelligence, it
>> >> would be irresponsible of me to come to the festival in such
>> circumstances;
>> >> irresponsible to my family, to the festival audience, and to my fellow
>> >> writers. I will therefore not travel to Jaipur as planned."
>> >>
>> >> Rushdie, who was born in Mumbai, India, in 1947, has faced threats
>> before.
>> >>
>> >> The writer rose to international notoriety with his 1980s novel, "The
>> >> Satanic Verses," which stirred protests throughout the Muslim world.
>> >> Rushdie lived under protection in Britain for nearly 10 years after a
>> >> fatwa, a death sentence, was issued against him by Iran's then-Supreme
>> >> Leader Ayatollah Khomeini.
>> >>
>> >> Khomeini considered lines in the book as blasphemous against Islam.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [proletar] Orang Islam (Dipo yang sedeng berat dan QS 76:19)

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Hehehe... jadi Quran ga ngelarang ngembat lobang pantat, termasuk lobang pantat 
cowok atau jg lobang pantat binatang. Berarti halal tuh.
 
Kalo si ajeg ini tahu Quran, dia pasti tahu ayat mana yg gua maksudkan, tp dia 
kagak tau apa2, makanya dia cuma bisa kaing2 soal gua pake kata "kalo ga 
salah". Menyedihkan sekali melihat orang Islam ga tau apa2 ttg Islam, tp 
malahan jd pembela Islam. Betul2 dungu orang kayak gitu.
 
 

From: ajeg 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [proletar] Orang Islam (Dipo yang sedeng berat dan QS 76:19)
>
>
>  
>
>--- Musik hari Ini  wrote:
>> 
>> From: item abu 
>> 
>> > Di mana Quran bilang ngembat lobang pantat cowok itu dilarang? 
>> 
>> 
>> > Faham omongan Dipo 
>
>Buat si tolol itu nggak ada larangan berarti harus. Pantes dia 
>nurut aja diembatin sama pasturnya. 
>
>> 
>> > Kagak ada tuh.
>> > Sebaliknya Quran bilang orang Islam bisa nunjukin kontolnya ke 
>> > cowok yg ga doyan cewek kalo ga salah. 
>
>Dasar bleki tukang ngayal, kaing-kaing galak taunya cuma "kalo ga 
>salah" doang. 
>
>Kebanyakan ngemut titit uplik si raja ngigo. 
>
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Re: [proletar] Re: CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death threats

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Tentunya halal ngembat anak ingusan yg blm mens itu adalah rahmat dr auloh, 
bukan?
 
 

From: Abbas 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:58 AM
>Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary 
>festival over death threats
>
>
>  
>Ya benar Islam adalah rahmatan lil alamiiin.
>Iko Pedundu contoh baik rang anti Islam !
>jadi bisa dibayangkan baa utaknyo ! rang nan sikuk ko
>
>--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda"  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Inilah Islam, agama yang hanya pantas untuk anjing dan binatang buas...
>> 
>> Dan masih ada orangt berotak anjign yang percaya Islam itu rahmat untuk 
>> ummat manusia...
>> 
>> 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death threats
>> By Sara Sidner and Sumnima Udas, CNN
>> January 20, 2012 -- Updated 1040 GMT (1840 HKT)
>> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book
>> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book "The Satanic 
>> Verses."
>> STORY HIGHLIGHTS
>> 
>> Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses," which sparked protests in Muslim world
>> Author: "Paid assassins from Mumbai underworld" may be planning attacks on 
>> him
>> Rushdie has faced threats before
>> 
>> Jaipur, India (CNN) -- British author Salman Rushdie on Friday canceled his 
>> appearance at the Jaipur literary festival in India following warnings of 
>> threats to his life.
>> 
>> "I have now been informed by intelligence sources in Maharashtra and 
>> Rajasthan that paid assassins from the Mumbai underworld may be on their way 
>> to Jaipur to 'eliminate' me," Rushdie said in a statement.
>> 
>> "While I have some doubts about the accuracy of this intelligence, it would 
>> be irresponsible of me to come to the festival in such circumstances; 
>> irresponsible to my family, to the festival audience, and to my fellow 
>> writers. I will therefore not travel to Jaipur as planned."
>> 
>> Rushdie, who was born in Mumbai, India, in 1947, has faced threats before.
>> 
>> The writer rose to international notoriety with his 1980s novel, "The 
>> Satanic Verses," which stirred protests throughout the Muslim world. Rushdie 
>> lived under protection in Britain for nearly 10 years after a fatwa, a death 
>> sentence, was issued against him by Iran's then-Supreme Leader Ayatollah 
>> Khomeini.
>> 
>> Khomeini considered lines in the book as blasphemous against Islam.
>>
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Re: [proletar] Re: Saya ulang menyampaikan...

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Abbas Amin ini cuma bs ngebual terus, berhubung Abbas Amin dlm hati bilang 
orang FPI itu bukan bajingan, tp ga berani ngaku di depan umum.
 
Emang tuh, orang2 Islam ga bisa dipercaya omongannya, mereka ngibul terus demi 
auloh.
 
 

From: Abbas 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:53 AM
>Subject: [proletar] Re: Saya ulang menyampaikan...
>
>
>  
>Oooo jadi kamu mau menterjemahkan bahwa asal penjahat PASTi orang Islam ? asal 
>baik2tak mengganggu itu adalah anti Islam ?
>Begitu maumu ? Dasar Debil ! Idiot luh !
>
>--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>>
>> Abbas ini ga pernah bilang FPI melakukan perbuatan bejad, tp selalu ngoceh 
>> pake asumsi, kalo FPI melakukan perbuatan bejad maka bukan Islam. Jg di 
>> kasus2 lain, bisa dibilang Abbas Amin ga pernah nunjuk hidung dr pelakunya, 
>> selalu berasumsi.
>>  
>> Berarti, Abbas Amin ga pernah ngaku FPI melakukan perbuatan bejad, biarpun 
>> FPI itu tukang bikin rusuh, tukang nyerang orang Kristen dan non Islam 
>> lainnya, tukang ngegebukin orang yg demo ga Islami termasuk cewek dan orang 
>> tua.
>>  
>> Sudah jelas FPI suka melakukan perbuatan bejad, tp Abbas Amin ga pernah 
>> ngaku akan kebejadan FPI, artinya nurut Abbas Amin, FPI itu ga bejad sama 
>> sekali, ga pernah melakukan perbuatan bejad.
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> From: Abbas 
>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:49 AM
>> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Saya ulang menyampaikan...
>> >
>> >
>> >  
>> >Ini adalah suatu tuduhan tanpa etika !
>> >Yh sekali Idiot tetap saja idiot !
>> >
>> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Secara implisit Abbas Amin lg bilang bhw FPI itu ga ngelakukan perbuatan 
>> >> bejad, hehehe...
>> >>  
>> >> 
>> >> From: Abbas 
>> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >> >Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:34 AM
>> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Saya ulang menyampaikan...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >  
>> >> >Kalau memang FPI melakukan pekerjaan BEJAD ! Jelas saja keluar dari 
>> >> >Islam !
>> >> >
>> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Rahwana  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> wow...mantap nih statement-nyakalo gitu FPI itu masih islam atau 
>> >> >> sudah
>> >> >> keluar dari islam ?
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 2012/1/18 Abbas 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> > **
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Hey Anjing Idiot ! Yang bejad pasti bukn orang Islam !
>> >> >> > Begiu dia bejad, sebnarnya dia sudah keluar dari Islam.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Jadi lu bilang orang Islam itu ga mungkin bejad, ga peduli mereka 
>> >> >> > > itu
>> >> >> > ngebantai orang Ahmadiyah dgn kejinya spt yg dilakukan di Cikeusik, 
>> >> >> > bukan?
>> >> >> > > Atau, kalo orang Islam merkosa, ngerampok, nipu dll, mereka itu ga
>> >> >> > mungkin bejad juga.
>> >> >> > > ÃÆ'‚
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > Makanya ga heran kalo orang2 Islam di milis ini ogah nyebut 
>> >> >> > > pembantai
>> >> >> > Ahmadiyah di Cikeusik sbg bajingan, krn mereka itu ga bejad, 
>> >> >> > hehehe...
>> >> >> > > ÃÆ'‚
>> >> >> > > ÃÆ'‚
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > From: Abbas 
>> >> >> > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >> > > >Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:55 AM
>> >> >> > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Saya ulang menyampaikan...
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >ÃÆ'‚
>> >> >> > > >Dasar IDIOt ! sekali idiot tetap idiot
>> >> >> > > >Mana mungkin islam sama dengan bejad ! dasar lu idiot !
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Faktanya kan lu ga pernah bilang orang2 Islam yg ngebantai orang
>> >> >> > Ahmadiyah di Cikeusik itu adalah orang2 bejad, dan lu nganggap gua 
>> >> >> > lbh
>> >> >> > bejad dr orang2 pembantai orang Ahmadiyah tsb, bukan?
>> >> >> > > >> ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > >> Bahkan, secara ga langsung lu bilang bhw orang Ahmadiyah hrs
>> >> >> > berterima kasih ke orang Islam krn ga dibantai oleh non Islam yg
>> >> >> > ngebantainya kaan lbh sadis lg.
>> >> >> > > >> ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚
>> >> >> > > >> ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> From: Abbas 
>> >> >> > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >> > > >> >Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:26 AM
>> >> >> > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Saya ulang menyampaikan...
>> >> >> > > >> >
>> >> >> > > >> >
>> >> >> > > >> >ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚
>> >> >> > > >> >Hhehe itulah pengertian orang atau manusia IDIOT seperti kamu 
>> >> >> > > >> >!!!
>> >> >> > > >> >Sebenarnya kalau aku jadi moderator sudah kularang kamu NULIS;
>> >> >> > karena penjelasanku sangat2 sia2 diartikan LAIN oleh mnusia2 debil 
>> >> >> > dan
>> >> >> > Idiot yang kebanyakan nti Islam !
>> >> >> > > >> >Tapi karena Ilis ini sangt BEBASNYA ! Maka penulis IDIOT 
>> >> >> > > >> >seperti kmu
>> >> >> > dibiarkan saja menulis semau udel elo y

Re: [proletar] Re: Orang Islam akan jadi gay di sorga

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Oh jadi lu bilang kalo cewek di sorga cuma dpt giliran diembat sekali di antara 
72 bidadari sementara cowoknya bisa ngembatain ke 72 bidadari tanpa henti 
berhubung kontolnya ngaceng abadi, maka mereka dpt hadiah yg sama, diperlakukan 
sama oleh auloh.
 
Hehehe... betul2 Islami tuh.
 

From: Abbas 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:50 AM
>Subject: [proletar] Re: Orang Islam akan jadi gay di sorga
>
>
>  
>Itulah itung2an orang idiot ! Kaya sama rata sama rasanya KOMUNIS !
>Tak peduli jasanya 100 ; yang lain 10 ; maka hadiahnya rata 19 !
>Itulah SAMA menurut manusia Debil, Idiot dan itemabu
>
>--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>>
>> Hehehe.. si Abbas ini ngoceh cowok dan cewek Islam itu ga dibedakan oleh 
>> auloh. Berarti, kalo cowok Islam dpt 72 bidadari di sorga, maka cewek Islam 
>> jg akan dpt 72 bidadarA, atau cowok muda tampan. Atau jg dpt 72 bidadari spt 
>> cowok.
>>  
>> Kalo cowok Islam akan berorgi gede2an dgn 72 bidadari, ber73some dgn ke 72 
>> bidadari, gimana ceweknya? Jg ber73some dgn 72 cowok tsb, bukan?
>>  
>> Heheh Abbas Amin ini udah ngoceh, tp dia ga mau terima apa konsekuensi 
>> dr ucapannya. Betul2 asal bunyi kayak kaing2 dr anjing buduk kejepit buntut.
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> From: Abbas 
>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:52 AM
>> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Orang Islam akan jadi gay di sorga
>> >
>> >
>> >  
>> >saya belum pengalaman tentang itu !
>> >Apa si idiot alias debil alias item abu punya pengalaman ?
>> >Atau barangkali mau coba2 cari pengalaman !
>> >
>> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hehehe... cowok dpt 72 bidadari perawan abadi di sorga, lalu apa yg didpt 
>> >> cewek di sorga? 72 pemuda perawan abadi jg?
>> >>  
>> >> Jadi nurut Abbas Amin, cewek Islam akan digangbang rame2 oleh 72 cowok 
>> >> perawan abadi krn ga dibedakan antara cewek dan cowok katanya.
>> >>  
>> >>  
>> >> 
>> >> From: Abbas 
>> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >> >Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:41 AM
>> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Orang Islam akan jadi gay di sorga
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >  
>> >> >Janji Tuhan adalah : Muslim baik laki atau perempuan akan dapat pahala 
>> >> >atau hukuman setimpal dengan kelakuannya ! Jadi tidak dibedakan antara 
>> >> >perempuan dan laki2. Kalau laki2 dapat pahala; maka perempuan nngak ! 
>> >> >Itulah terjemahan manusia DEBIL bin Idiot !
>> >> >
>> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hehehe .. jadi Abbas Amin bilang di sorga itu cewek2nya akan ngebet 
>> >> >> dgn pemuda2. Berarti di sorga versi Abbas Amin ini, cowok Islam akan 
>> >> >> bergi dgn 72 bidadari perawan abadi, cewek Islam akan digangbang oleh 
>> >> >> pemuda2 pelayan.
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Orgi gede2an tuh, hehehe...
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Di Quran itu, ada banyak ayat ditujukan ke cowok 
>> >> >> secara spesifik biarpun kata yg dipake adalah orang Islam atau kata 
>> >> >> ganti spt "kamu",, "mereka" dll bukan unt cewek sama sekali.
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Di ayat di bawah, orang Islam dikelilingi oleh anak muda dan jg 
>> >> >> bidadari yg di ayat disebutkan akan dikawini oleh orang Islam sambil 
>> >> >> bidadarinya tetap jadi perawan. Jadi orang Islam yg dimaksud itu cuma 
>> >> >> cowoknya doang, bukan cewek.
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Surat 56   Al-Waaqi'ah
>> >> >> 17. Mereka dikelilingi oleh anak-anak muda yang tetap muda,
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> 22. Dan ada bidadari-bidadari bermata jeli,
>> >> >> 23. laksana mutiara yang tersimpan baik.
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Krn 56:17 bilang cowoknya yg dikelilingi oleh pemuda2, maka 76:19 jg 
>> >> >> unt cowok doang, bukan cewek. 
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Jadi, orang Islam di sorga akan ngebet ke pemuda2, alias mereka 
>> >> >> melakukan homoseksualisme jg, hehehe...
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> From: Abbas 
>> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:28 AM
>> >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Orang Islam akan jadi gay di sorga
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >  
>> >> >> >Pikiran si idiot yang dipenuhi DENGKI terhadap Islam, hanya tahu 
>> >> >> >IS:AM itu lki2 ! Tak ada perempuannya !
>> >> >> >Padahal anak muda itu disediakan yah untuk lawan jenisnya lah.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Dia berharap bhwa di org orang2 akan seperi dia HO> >> >> >Hentikanlah hayalan idiotmu !
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 52:24. Dan berkeliling di sekitar mereka anak-anak muda untuk 
>> >> >> >> (melayani) mereka, seakan-akan mereka itu mutiara yang tersimpan.
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> 76:19. Dan mereka dikelilingi oleh pelayan-pelayan muda yang tetap 
>> >> >> >> muda. Apabila kamu melihat mereka, kamu akan mengira mereka, 
>> >> >> >> mutiara yang bertaburan.
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> Nurut Quran, orang I

Re: [proletar] Re: Saya ulang menyampaikan...

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Ngebantai musuh auloh itu kan pasti benar dan dpt pahala.
 
Krn orang Ahmadiyah atau kafir lainnya adalah musuh auloh, maka ngebantai 
mereka itu adalah perbuatan benar, bukan?
 
 
 

From: Abbas 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:47 AM
>Subject: [proletar] Re: Saya ulang menyampaikan...
>
>
>  
>Biarpun MUSUH sekalipun; ngebantai brlum tentu benar
>
>--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>>
>> Hehehe... pertanyaan apakah ngebantai orang yg ngehina Islam itu dpt pahala 
>> dr auloh apa kagak itu emang ga usah ditanya krn jawabannya udah pasti, 
>> yaitu akan dpt pahala.
>>  
>> Jadi, pembantai Ahmadiyah itu bukan bajingan tp pahlawan Islam yg dpt pahala 
>> dr auloh.
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> From: Abbas 
>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:57 AM
>> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Saya ulang menyampaikan...
>> >
>> >
>> >  
>> >Pertanyaan yang sangat bagus yang menunjukkan keidiotannya !
>> >
>> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Si Abbas Amin terus aja muter2 ga bilang apakah pembantai Ahmadiyah itu 
>> >> orang Islam apa kagak.
>> >>  
>> >> Jelas2 tuh orang Ahmadiyah bersalah ngehina Islam kata ulama. Jadi gpp 
>> >> ngebantai mereka, dan pembantainya jadi pahlawan dan dpt pahala dr auloh, 
>> >> bukan?
>> >>  
>> >>  
>> >> 
>> >> From: Abbas 
>> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >> >Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:44 AM
>> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Saya ulang menyampaikan...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >  
>> >> >pembunuh manusia tak bersalah; jelas berdosa dan harus dapat hujkuman !
>> >> >
>> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hehehe... tetap aja si Abbas Amin ga bilang bhw orang2 pembantai 
>> >> >> Ahmadiyah itu melakukan kebejadan yg berarti Abbas Amin ga bilang bhw 
>> >> >> mereka itu bukan orang Islam.
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Jadi Abbas Amin cuma sekedar kaing2 kayak anjing kejepit buntut, bukan?
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> Dan jangan lupa, Abbas Amin dgn bangganya bilang bhw musuh Islam itu 
>> >> >> pantas dibunuh (kira2), jadi kalo orang Ahmadiyah dianggap musuh 
>> >> >> Islam, maka ngebunuh mereka sama sekali bukan perbuatan bejad bahkan 
>> >> >> merupakan ibadah berpahala yg berarti pembantai Ahmadiyah itu justru 
>> >> >> orang Islam yg soleh dan bertaqwa
>> >> >>  
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> From: Abbas 
>> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:30 AM
>> >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Saya ulang menyampaikan...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >  
>> >> >> >Hey Anjing Idiot ! Yang bejad pasti bukn orang Islam !
>> >> >> >Begiu dia bejad, sebnarnya dia sudah keluar dari Islam.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Jadi lu bilang orang Islam itu ga mungkin bejad, ga peduli mereka 
>> >> >> >> itu ngebantai orang Ahmadiyah dgn kejinya spt yg dilakukan di 
>> >> >> >> Cikeusik, bukan?
>> >> >> >> Atau, kalo orang Islam merkosa, ngerampok, nipu dll, mereka itu ga 
>> >> >> >> mungkin bejad juga.
>> >> >> >> ÃÆ'‚ 
>> >> >> >> Makanya ga heran kalo orang2 Islam di milis ini ogah nyebut 
>> >> >> >> pembantai Ahmadiyah di Cikeusik sbg bajingan, krn mereka itu ga 
>> >> >> >> bejad, hehehe...
>> >> >> >> ÃÆ'‚ 
>> >> >> >> ÃÆ'‚ 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> From: Abbas 
>> >> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >> >> >> >Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:55 AM
>> >> >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Saya ulang menyampaikan...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >ÃÆ'‚  
>> >> >> >> >Dasar IDIOt ! sekali idiot tetap idiot
>> >> >> >> >Mana mungkin islam sama dengan bejad ! dasar lu idiot !
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Faktanya kan lu ga pernah bilang orang2 Islam yg ngebantai orang 
>> >> >> >> >> Ahmadiyah di Cikeusik itu adalah orang2 bejad, dan lu nganggap 
>> >> >> >> >> gua lbh bejad dr orang2 pembantai orang Ahmadiyah tsb, bukan?
>> >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
>> >> >> >> >> Bahkan, secara ga langsung lu bilang bhw orang Ahmadiyah hrs 
>> >> >> >> >> berterima kasih ke orang Islam krn ga dibantai oleh non Islam yg 
>> >> >> >> >> ngebantainya kaan lbh sadis lg.
>> >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
>> >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> From: Abbas 
>> >> >> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >> >> >> >> >Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:26 AM
>> >> >> >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Saya ulang menyampaikan...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  
>> >> >> >> >> >Hhehe itulah pengertian orang atau manusia IDIOT seperti kamu 
>> >> >> >> >> >!!!
>> >> >> >> >> >Sebenarnya kalau aku jadi moderator sudah kularang kamu NULIS; 
>

Re: [proletar] Re: Nggak heran, orang Islam nggak ada yang menunjukkan..

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Coba lu tunjukin deh, berapa banyak kasus non Islam ngebantai orang Ahmadiyah 
atau orang Shia.
 
Atau lu tunjukin deh, kasus pemerkosaan di Norwegia itu pelakunya lebih banyak 
non Islam drpd Islam.
 
Gimana dgn tkw di Arab, siapa tuh yg nyiksa mereka, orang Islam atau non Islam?
 
Kalo di Indonesia, berapa banyak non Islam ngebom bunuh diri?
 
 
 

From: Abbas 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:46 AM
>Subject: [proletar] Re: Nggak heran, orang Islam nggak ada yang menunjukkan..
>
>
>  
>Sebenarnya yang berhubungan dengan non Islam juga bejibun , malah lebih banyak 
>lagi; tapi namanya juga ANTI ISLAM yaaa berita2 tentang Islamlahj yang jadi 
>perhatian !
>Yang gitu seharusnya tak usah ditanya ! Itu hanya menunjukkan keidiotan saja !
>
>--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>>
>> Hehehe... kenapa tuh perbuatan yg ada hubungannya dgn Islam bejibun di mana?
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> From: Abbas 
>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>> >Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:25 PM
>> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Nggak heran, orang Islam nggak ada yang 
>> >menunjukkan..
>> >
>> >
>> >  
>> >Karena orang kapir apalagi anti Islam ; segala peristiwa yang ada 
>> >hubungannya dengan Islam dimopnitor terus supaya bisa dipakai untuk 
>> >menghujat ISLAM !
>> >
>> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Nggak heran, orang Islam nggak banyak tuh yang menunjukkan 
>> >> kegelisahannnya membaca apa yang terjadi dengan Alex Aan.
>> >> 
>> >> Beda dengan orang kafir..
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
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Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death threats

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Hehehe... gua ngebantai Islam dan orang Islam di milis ini koq.
 

From: safin _blanc 
>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary 
>festival over death threats
>
>terserah lo.
>memang cuma banci pengecut yg diam aja dihina orang lain.
>
>bukan pedanda itu belum jawab gimana kalau salman rusdi berak dimukanya...
>entah marah, entah kesedapan.. kita semua kgak tau..
>
>
>On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:06 AM, item abu  wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Hehehe ... Salman Rushdie cuma bikin novel fiksi sesuai dgn apa yg ada di
>> sumber Islam sendiri. Dianggap ngehina Islam.
>>
>> Krn Islam ngehina agama lain dan penganutnya, hrsnya orang Islam jg
>> dibantai tuh.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: safin _blanc 
>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
>> >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:18 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [proletar] CNN : 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of
>> literary festival over death threats
>>
>> >
>> >lo boleh saja membela salman rusdi karena itu memang hak setiap orang utk
>> >mengemukakan pendapat... sayangnya, pendapat si salman telah sangat
>> >melampaui batas..
>> >
>> >supaya lo ngarti, pendapat dia itu seperti ibarat nya dia berak di muka
>> >lo.. apa lo kgak marah, meskipun dia bilang berak itu hak azazi manusia..?
>> >apa lo mau makan itu taik salman rusdi? kalo lo sebangsa babi, ya makanlah
>> >itu..
>> >
>> >
>> >On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Bukan Pedanda > >wrote:
>> >
>> >> **
>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Inilah Islam, agama yang hanya pantas untuk anjing dan binatang buas...
>> >>
>> >> Dan masih ada orangt berotak anjign yang percaya Islam itu rahmat untuk
>> >> ummat manusia...
>> >>
>> >> 'Satanic Verses' author pulls out of literary festival over death
>> threats
>> >> By Sara Sidner and Sumnima Udas, CNN
>> >> January 20, 2012 -- Updated 1040 GMT (1840 HKT)
>> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book
>> >> Indian-born Salman Rushdie received a fatwa for his book "The Satanic
>> >> Verses."
>> >> STORY HIGHLIGHTS
>> >>
>> >> Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses," which sparked protests in Muslim
>> world
>> >> Author: "Paid assassins from Mumbai underworld" may be planning attacks
>> on
>> >> him
>> >> Rushdie has faced threats before
>> >>
>> >> Jaipur, India (CNN) -- British author Salman Rushdie on Friday canceled
>> >> his appearance at the Jaipur literary festival in India following
>> warnings
>> >> of threats to his life.
>> >>
>> >> "I have now been informed by intelligence sources in Maharashtra and
>> >> Rajasthan that paid assassins from the Mumbai underworld may be on their
>> >> way to Jaipur to 'eliminate' me," Rushdie said in a statement.
>> >>
>> >> "While I have some doubts about the accuracy of this intelligence, it
>> >> would be irresponsible of me to come to the festival in such
>> circumstances;
>> >> irresponsible to my family, to the festival audience, and to my fellow
>> >> writers. I will therefore not travel to Jaipur as planned."
>> >>
>> >> Rushdie, who was born in Mumbai, India, in 1947, has faced threats
>> before.
>> >>
>> >> The writer rose to international notoriety with his 1980s novel, "The
>> >> Satanic Verses," which stirred protests throughout the Muslim world.
>> >> Rushdie lived under protection in Britain for nearly 10 years after a
>> >> fatwa, a death sentence, was issued against him by Iran's then-Supreme
>> >> Leader Ayatollah Khomeini.
>> >>
>> >> Khomeini considered lines in the book as blasphemous against Islam.
>> >>
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Re: [proletar] Libya drops election quota for women

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Ini yg disebut Arab Winter dan Islam Spring.
 

From: Sunny 
>To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com 
>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:32 PM
>Subject: [proletar] Libya drops election quota for women
>
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>  
>http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article565904.ece
>Libya drops election quota for women
>By REUTERS 
>
>Published: Jan 20, 2012 18:54 Updated: Jan 20, 2012 23:16 
>
>TRIPOLI: Libya will scrap a proposal for 10 percent of seats in a new national 
>assembly to be set aside for women, a Western diplomat who is engaged in 
>discussions with the Libyan election committee told Reuters on Friday.
>
>The new, 200-member assembly is set to be elected in June to draw up a 
>constitution after the overthrow of Muammar Qaddafi last year.
>
>Last month, the interim ruling National Transitional Council (NTC) posted a 
>draft election law on its website and asked people to comment on it as part of 
>a plan to engage the population in the democratic process. The draft called 
>for 20 seats to be set aside for women.
>
>“After the draft election law was posted on the NTC website for feedback from 
>the public, 80 percent of the 14,000 e-mails received (by the NTC) were 
>against the quota, including women’s rights groups,” the diplomat said.
>
>Some Libyan women’s rights groups still support the quota, and say it should 
>be made higher - perhaps more than 50 percent to reflect a majority female 
>population in the country.
>
>Among other changes from the original draft, members of parliament will be 
>elected from separate constituencies, rather than competing countrywide.
>
>The United Nations had urged Libya to hold elections in constituencies, which 
>ensures all regions are represented and makes it easier to limit fraud than in 
>a countrywide tally where problematic results in one area can taint the entire 
>outcome.
>
>A rule barring holders of multiple nationalities from voting will also be 
>scrapped, and the new rules relax a ban on members of the NTC running for 
>seats. The ban was put in place to emphasize a change in power from the 
>internationally recognized but self-appointed NTC to the new elected body.
>
>“Political figures and NTC members are still forbidden from running in the 
>elections to teach people about the transfer of power, but the NTC thought 
>that banning members of the local NTC councils would be unnecessary,” the 
>diplomat said.
>
>“Local NTC council members will be allowed to run.”
>
>Libyans with ties to Qaddafi will still be banned from running in elections, 
>as will academics who wrote about Qaddafi’s “Green Book,” containing his 
>musings on politics, economics and everyday life.
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Re: [proletar] Gangs and middlemen exploit market of hiring housemaids

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Orang2 Indonesia yg ngirim tkw itu umumnya orang Arab, dan tentunya mereka itu 
orang Islam, hehehe
 

From: Sunny 
>To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com 
>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:07 PM
>Subject: [proletar] Gangs and middlemen exploit market of hiring housemaids
>
>
>  
>Refl: Bagaimana dengan misi Dr Habibie, mantan presiden NKRI, yang diberi 
>tugas istimewa oleh SBY untuk menyelamatkan TKW dari hukuman mati di Arab 
>Saudia. Tidak ada berita selain Habibie menyerahkan riwayat hidupnya kepada 
>pangeran Alaweed. Sudah hampir satu bulan lamanya misinya itu, belum ada 
>khabar jelas hasilnya. Apakah masih terus berunding ataukah gagal misi tsb 
>dalam arti tidak diharaukan oleh pemerintah Arab Saudia? 
>
>Tentu saja seperti berita di bawah ini bahwa gangster dan pengatara 
>mengexploatasi TKW. Tetapi, barangkali juga tidak boleh dilupakan bahwa 
>pemerintah NKRI juga mempunyai peranan istimewa sebagai sponsor “legal human 
>trafficking” untuk mengirim berbondong tenaga kerja tanpa perlindungan hukum 
>sepatutnya, demi untuk mengurangangi tekanan pengangguran terhadap beleid 
>politik penenpatan tenaga kerja dalam negeri dan pada juga pada lain pihak 
>untuk mendapat tambahan devisa, TKW/TKI dengan bangga oleh penguasa rezim 
>diberi gelar pahlawan devisa selama ini (kurang lebih 40 tahun).
>
>http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article565952.ece
>Gangs and middlemen exploit market of hiring housemaids
>
>Many maids come without knowledge or experience and they are asked to pretend 
>that they had this knowledge and experience and show good manners in the first 
>three months.
>
>By ALI BLUWI | ARAB NEWS 
>
>Published: Jan 20, 2012 23:30 Updated: Jan 20, 2012 23:30 
>
>RIYADH: After years of refusing to consider having a maid in my house, I 
>finally gave in. I hired a maid after I did what was possible to avoid this 
>choice for several reasons. First, I do not know this new human being and 
>would find it hard to accept her as part of my household. Second, I do not 
>like injustice and tyranny to be inflicted on myself; therefore it is equally 
>difficult for me to accept it when it touches others. That said, I had to give 
>in. I tried my best to be accurate and lucky in my choices. At the beginning, 
>I naively thought that the market is economic and based on service for a 
>service. I thought that those maids coming from Asia were looking for two 
>things. First, to find families that are fair; and second, to receive their 
>wages in full.
>
>Yet, this rosy picture faded away when I made the first mistake. The 
>employment office was not able to transfer the sponsorship quickly enough 
>after I paid in full all required amounts of money and even more. The owner of 
>the office used different reasons for this slowdown. After he realized that I 
>might file a complaint against him he tried to blackmail me. He said that he 
>would file a complaint claiming I had hosted a fleeing maid! It is then when I 
>felt let down. Luckily enough, one lawyer was aware of these kinds of fraud 
>offices. This took place before employment offices became monitored. 
>Furthermore, the lawyer told me that many maids came from Asia without 
>knowledge or experience. They are asked to pretend that they had this 
>knowledge and experience and show good manners in the first three months. This 
>three-month trial period is important because during this period the 
>employment office is accountable and after that it is the responsibility of
 the hosting family. I asked how this could happen especially when states deal 
with each other according to agreements. Also embassies are there! Yet some are 
good at being fraudulent. Furthermore, the cost of hiring a maid through these 
offices is extremely high and it would be much better if we are allowed to hire 
maids directly. The lawyer called the employment office and he managed to 
verify his identity. This office deals with fleeing maids. He said the market 
of maids is spread not only in the Gulf but also in Asia. Many maids lose their 
organs in these countries because of their dealing with fraudulent gangs.
>
>Despite all strict procedures, this phenomenon is not coming to an end easily. 
>Some maids are asked to stay for four months and then ask for permission to 
>travel to see their families. When they fail to show up again, the employment 
>office has a legal argument that its responsibility is limited to the first 
>three months, the trial period. What happens to the maid that pushes her to 
>change entirely after this period? Losses are high, the office takes all of 
>its fees but the family suffers financially alone. According to studies, the 
>losses of Saudi families due to the phenomenon of maids fleeing have surpassed 
>SR50 million annually. The problem lies in the fact that there is no official 
>body to protect the rights of the maid and the family alike. The Ministry of 
>Labor has set new regulations such as forming big employment offices to work 
>accor

Re: [proletar] PRESIDEN PERTIMBANGKAN HARGA BBM NAIK

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Waktu si SBY kampanye unt jadi presiden ke2xnya, si SBY ngakunya cuma di jaman 
pemerintahannya aja harga BBM itu bisa turun. Tp si SBY ini ga ngomong bhw 
harga BBM itu dinaikkan dulu sebelumnya, kalo ga salah dr sekitar 3800 ke 
5000-6000. Baru belakangan diturunkan jadi sekitar 4500.
 
Ga tau malu deh si SBY ini, udah jelas2 di jaman pemerintahannya harga BBM itu 
naik, eh ngakunya turun. Ga beda dgn orang2 Islam plus plus di milis ini yg jg 
ngefitnah tanpa kenal malu, udah jelas2 fitnah, eh msh ga mau ngaku.
 
 

From: Sunny 
>To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com 
>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:19 AM
>Subject: [proletar] PRESIDEN PERTIMBANGKAN HARGA BBM NAIK
>
>
>  
>Refl: Apakah selama rezim SBY berkuasa telah berapa kali terjadi penurunan 
>harga BBM dan sembako?
>
>http://epaper.tempo.co/PUBLICATIONS/KT/KT/2012/01/21/ArticleHtmls/PRESIDEN-PERTIMBANGKAN-HARGA-BBM-NAIK-21012012001006.shtml?Mode=0
>
>PRESIDEN PERTIMBANGKAN HARGA BBM NAIK 
>JAKARTA 
>
>Pembatasan APBN Perubahan bisa dipercepat.
>
>Menteri Koordinator Perekonomian Hatta Rajasa menyatakan pemerintah sedang 
>mempertimbangkan opsi menaikkan harga bahan bakar minyak bersubsidi. Menteri 
>Energi dan Komisi Energi Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat sedang merundingkan pilihan 
>tersebut. “Kenaikan bisa diadakan,“katanya kemarin. 
>Saat ini kenaikan harga BBM tidak dicantumkan dalam Undang-Undang Anggaran 
>Pendapatan dan Belanja Negara 2012.
>Namun, menurut Hatta, opsi itu harus ditempuh lantaran kondisi global 
>mempengaruhi fluktuasi harga minyak.“Kami tidak tahu situasi di masa depan 
>akan seperti apa.“
>
>Pemerintah berencana membatasi penggunaan bahan bakar bersubsidi jenis Premium 
>mulai 1 April mendatang. Kendaraan pribadi harus menggunakan bahan bakar 
>nonsubsidi atau beralih ke gas.
>
>Juru bicara kepresidenan, Julian Aldrian Pasha, mengatakan draf peraturan 
>tentang pembatasan bahan bakar belum diteken Presiden Susilo Bambang 
>Yudhoyono. Presiden, menurut dia, masih mempertimbangkan opsi lain, termasuk 
>menaikkan harga bahan bakar.
>
>Kendala untuk menaikkan harga, antara lain, Undang-Undang APBN 2012 tidak 
>menyebutkan adanya kenaikan harga BBM. Namun masalah ini bisa diatasi dengan 
>cara pemerintah dan DPR mempercepat pembahasan APBN Perubahan.
>
>“APBN Perubahan bisa dipercepat kalau opsi akhir adalah menaikkan harga,“ ujar 
>Wakil Menteri Energi Sumber Daya Mi neral Widjajono Partowidagdo, sembari 
>menambahkan, “pekan depan kami rapat dengan DPR.“
>
>Ekonom Universitas Gadjah Mada, Anggito Abimanyu, mengusulkan kenaikan harga 
>Premium Rp 500 per liter. Kenaikan diberlakukan untuk semua jenis kendaraan. 
>“Untuk angkutan umum diberi pengembalian dalam bentuk cash back,“ ujarnya.
>Cara ini, kata dia, lebih simpel dan tak menimbulkan gejolak.
>
>Adapun anggota Komisi Energi, Satya W. Yudha, menyatakan Komisi mengusulkan 
>harga tengah untuk pengguna BBM nonsubsidi. Misalkan, asumsi harga pasar 
>Premium Rp 8.000 per liter, maka pajak penjualan ditanggung 
>pemerintah.“Sehingga harga Premium Rp 6.400 per liter,“ujarnya.
>
>ALI NUR YASIN | SUBKHAN | ARYANI KRISTANTI | ROSALINA |AYU PRIMASANDI | AYU 
>PRIMA SANDI | GUSTIDHA TIGA SKENARIO (Premium Per Liter): I. NAIK TIAP TAHUN 
>Per 1 April 2012: Rp 6.000 2013: Rp 7.000, 2014: Rp 8.000 II. NAIK 5 PERSEN 
>TIAP BULAN Per 1 April 2012: Rp 4.725 Untuk Jakarta, per 1 April 2013 Rp 
>8.200, disusul daerah lain.
>
>III. MARGIN ATAU PAJAK DITANGGUNG PEMERINTAH Per 1 April 2012 harga Rp 6.500 
>(margin dan pajak ditanggung) Tahun 2013, harga Rp 7.200 (pajak ditanggung) 
>Tahun 2014, harga Rp 8.200 Catatan: * Konversi BBM ke BBG jalan terus.
>Sumber: Wakil Menteri Energi 
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[proletar] Afghan Pedophilia: A way of life, say U.S. soldiers and journalists

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Hehehe ternyata di Afghan itu ngembat bocah laki itu adalah hal yg biasa, 
dan ga dihukum oleh orang Islam.
Hitung2, orang Islam lagi latihan spy di sorga nanti udah jadi ahli ngembat 
cowok muda (dan jg diembat tentunya lobang pantatnya)
 
Afghan Pedophilia: A way of life, say U.S. soldiers and journalists
Jim KouriLaw Enforcement Examiner 
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Apologists say that Bacha Bazi or 'Boy Play' is a very old cultural practice in 
Afghanistan and part of that nation's mainstream.

Citing the Afghanistan strategy review, Vice President Joe Biden reported 
"great progress" in the counterterrorism effort that has significantly degraded 
al-Qaeda and the Taliban, particularly their leadership. Lagging behind, he 
said, is progress on the counterinsurgency front – eliminating terrorist safe 
havens in Pakistan and building a stable Afghan government.
  
However, not once did Biden – nor Defense Secretary Leon Panetta -- mention 
Afghanistan's dirty secret – a large number of pedophiles and pederasts among 
the Afghan male population.
 
Pedophilia is a widely-accepted practice in southern Afghanistan, where "boys 
are given to older men for the sexual gratification of the elder and the sexual 
education of the child," say many returning U.S. troops.
Afghans say pedophilia is most prevalent among Pashtun men in the south who 
comprise Afghanistan's most important tribe.
 
Apologists say that Bacha Bazi or 'Boy Play' is a very old cultural practice in 
Afghanistan and part of that nation's mainstream.

When U.S. officials such as President Barack Obama, Secretary of State Hillary 
Clinton, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta discuss the war in Afghanistan and make 
claims of success in that fledgling democracy, one issue that's avoided is the 
widespread sexual intercourse between Afghan men and young boys. In non- 
diplomatic terms, Afghanistan is a haven for child rape, according to several 
American military officers just returning from the frontlines of the Global War 
on Terrorism.

In a country that is considered overly repressive due to its adherence to the 
precepts contained in the Muslim religion's Koran, it's difficult for American 
service members and diplomats to understand the fact that a large portion of 
the Afghan male population are pedophiles (adults who enjoy sexual contact with 
prepubescent children) or pederasts (adults who enjoy sexual relations with 
pubescent or post-pubescent children).

 
While Muslims in Iraq have on several occasions stoned homosexuals for their 
sexual activities, not all Muslims believe pedophilia is a violation of Sharia 
law.  Those who believe in the sacredness and infallibility of the Koran adhere 
to the teaching that women are sub-human and quasi-slaves, and therefore Muslim 
men will look for relationships -- even sexual relationships -- with others of 
their own gender.

According to Reuters, there is a lot of homosexuality going on in Afghanistan, 
but those engaging in it don't think of themselves as gay, so that makes it 
okay since Islam officially disapproves of the gay and lesbian lifestyle.

"They regard themselves as non-gay because they don’t “love” the sex object so 
Allah is happy. These are the men who avoid their wives as unclean. Apparently 
there is very little love of any kind in Afghanistan, which explains a lot," 
according to Reuters.

“Having a boy has become a custom for us,” Ena Yatullah, a 42-year-old in 
Baghlan province, told a Reuters reporter. “Whoever wants to show off should 
have a boy.” [. . .]

Sociologists and anthropologists say the problem results from a perverse 
interpretation of Islamic law. Women are simply unapproachable. Afghans cannot 
talk to an unrelated woman until after proposing marriage. Before then, they 
can't even look at a woman, except perhaps her feet. Otherwise she is covered, 
head to ankle, according to columnist Joel Brinkley, a professor of journalism 
at Stanford University, and a former Pulitzer Prize-winning foreign 
correspondent for the New York Times.

In Kandahar, a city with a population of about 500,000, and other towns, dance 
parties are a popular -- often weekly -- pastime. Young boys dress up as 
females, wearing makeup and bells on their feet, and dance for a dozen or more 
leering middle-aged men who throw money at them and then take them home.

A recent State Department report called “dancing boys” a “widespread, 
culturally sanctioned form of male rape.” If women dressed and behaved in such 
a way, they would surely be punished by Muslim men.

Even after marriage, many men keep their boy-lovers, according to former U.S. 
military personnel who served in Afghanistan.  That helps explain why women are 
compelled to wear clothing that hides their faces and bodies and if they "sin" 
they are stoned to death in accordance with Islamic law. That same law also 
forbids homosexuality, but the pedophiles explain that it's not homosexualit

[proletar] SOS Pakistan: The Vatican raises the alarm over the Christian situation

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Hehehe.. orang Islam nyulik dan merkosa cewek Kristen, malak, ngerampok, 
ngebantai orang Kristen. Betul2 sangat Islami
 
01/17/2012 
SOS Pakistan: The Vatican raises the alarm over the Christian situation
 
First the Pontifical Mission Societies, then Vatican Radio. The Pope also 
reminded diplomats that the situation is getting very seriousGiacomo Galeazzi
vatican city 
 
In his message to the 180 accredited ambassadors at the Roman Curia, which 
commemorated the martyrdom of the Catholic Shahbaz Bhatti, Federal Minister for 
Religious Minorities (killed on 2 March of last year for his opposition to the 
blasphemy law and his defense of Asia Bibi, a Christian woman sentenced to 
death for this reason), Benedict XVI openly voiced his concern. Now the Holy 
See comes more to the point, drawing international attention to religious 
persecution in the Muslim-majority country, denouncing the rape and torture of 
Christian children, extortion of families, abuse and violence that take place 
in silence - and in the terror of the victims. 
  
Through its media channels, the Vatican denounced the violence and abuses that 
are taking place in the Christian communities of some suburban neighborhoods in 
Karachi, the largest city in southern Pakistan and capital of Sindh province. 
Michael Javed, Catholic parliamentarian active in Sindh, spoke out for the 
religious minority subjected to cruel persecution, and, through Vatican Radio 
and Fides news agency, issued a dramatic warning: for months, Christians in the 
Essa Nagri, Ayub Goth, and Bhittaiabad neighborhoods have been the victims of 
unspeakable violence perpetrated by members of political movements with strong 
Islamic and ethnic connotations, such as the Pashtuns. Christian families are 
living through an ordeal, but “people do not report abuse, for fear of 
retaliation.” Just last month, Javed told Fides, “We recorded 15 cases of 
rape.” 
  
In Essa Nagri there are genuine “torture cells” where girls - and Christian 
girls - are raped and confined. “They demand a ransom of up to 100,000 rupees 
for them, and if the families cannot pay, the little girls are tortured beyond 
recognition.” As a result of such violence, many families have chosen to leave 
Karachi over the last six months. “The purpose of such violence is to eliminate 
Christian presence in the area, a sort of ethnic cleansing: we are considered 
slaves, unworthy to tread on Pakistani soil.” In another reported case, a 
brothel was opened near a Catholic church in Ayub Goth, and “Christian girls 
from poor families are being forced into prostitution.” The authorities, though 
informed, have not acted yet. Javed made a desperate appeal to the world “to 
stop the oppression of our community.” Fides contacted Fr. Victor John, a 
Franciscan from the diocese of Karachi, pastor at Essa Nagri (where 700 
Christian families are
 living, 300 of them Catholic) and pastor for the area of ​​Ayub Goth (with 
about 300 Christian families): “These are very poor neighborhoods, infested 
with crime and lawlessness. Violence and torture are committed by members of 
Islamic political parties who blackmail people for political consensus, but 
also by militants who are hostile to the faithful. Drug trafficking is rife in 
the area and the police remain complacent. 
  
“They lack schools and social services and, in this atmosphere of poverty, 
violence reigns.” Meanwhile, blasphemy laws are spreading, imposing death 
sentences or life imprisonment for displaying lack of respect for the Prophet 
Muhammad and the Quran. “The Church,” Michael Javed continues, “is present in 
the schools with a drug rehabilitation center, with the work of the Sisters of 
Mother Teresa and the Franciscan Sisters of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. We 
provide our services particularly to children and young people, trying to help 
them, to educate them to avoid becoming involved in crime.” Pakistan's 
Conference of Bishops complains that the 2.5 million Christians in the country 
are increasingly exposed to violence and intimidation by people “whose 
mentality is focusing progressively on an extreme form of Islam.” And, they 
add: “Our people fear for the future - people perceive themselves as second 
rate citizens. We cannot speak. We feel
 oppressed and repressed.” Accusing the government of having failed to 
effectively oppose fundamentalism, the Pakistani bishops warn that the 
situation is now “precarious.” Increased security measures have been 
implemented in Christian buildings. The Cathedral of the Sacred Heart in Lahore 
is under police surveillance, with video cameras, concrete barriers, sandbags, 
and walls. Before 1986, there were no allegations of blasphemy in Pakistan. In 
addition, about 1,000 cases have occurred over a period of 20 years, while 70 
people, accused only of blasphemy, have been victims of extrajudicial 
executions. Recently, an American commission on religious freedom published a 
report showing how children in Pa

[proletar] Germany: Muslim Kills His Girlfriend's Unborn Baby Because She Saw Male Doctor

2012-01-21 Thread item abu 
Orang Islam yg soleh ini ga terima ceweknya diperiksa oleh dokter cowok, lalu 
si orang Islam ini ngegebukin ceweknya sampe si cewek keguguran.
Hehehe... tentunya orang Islam ini soleh krn ga mau ceweknya diperiksa dokter 
cowok. Tp kan hrsnya yg pertama2 digebukin itu adalah dirinya yg udah zinah dan 
ngehamilin ceweknya.
 
Wednesday, 18 January 2012
Germany: Muslim Kills His Girlfriend's Unborn Baby Because She Saw Male Doctor 
09:19 | Posted by Cheradenine Zakalwe 

A Muslim punches his pregnant girlfriend several times in the abdomen because 
she was examined by a male doctor.
  
Thanks to the heavy punches the unborn baby suffered cerebral haemorrhages 
while still in its mother's womb. It was possible for it to be delivered later 
through emergency Caesarian section, but it died of its serious injuries two 
days later in the hospital. 
>
>As the child was not born at the time of the action, the indictment against 
>the 21-year-old refers only to "abortion" and not to murder. 
>
>The starting point for the fateful event was a routine gynaecological 
>examination of the pregnant woman. As the female doctor who was usually 
>responsible for her was on holiday, the examination was performed by a male 
>substitute on an exceptional basis. For the then 20-year-old boyfriend of the 
>heavily pregnant woman, a practising Muslim, this was horrific. 
>
>When the Rheine resident learned of the examination by the doctor, a major row 
>broke out between the couple. In this the perpetrator is said to have struck 
>his seven-month pregnant girlfriend forcefully several times in the abdomen, 
>so that she had to be taken to a hospital, where the foetus died after an 
>emergency birth. Source: Web.de

UPDATE: The Muslim got 2 years and 9 months for this. His name is Ahmad 
Sherzai, of Afghan origin but with German citizenship. His girlfriend was of 
German origin and from a Catholic family. 

Both Sherzai and his father ("a devout family") have had a long history of 
trouble with the police. Why are our governments allowing these savages into 
our countries then not deporting them when their criminality is proven?

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Re: [proletar] Re: ANAK JALANAN MENJAMUR

2012-01-21 Thread Sunny 
Pak Haji,

Berita yang disampaikan bukan berita dari sumber asing tetapi dari angka 
statistik pemerintah yang dengan bangga mengatakan angka tsb US€ 3.000,--  
berita kedua tentang angkja anak jalanan dari koran Tempo. Kalau berkeberatan 
sampaikan protes kepada pemerintah bahwa angka 3.000 tidak seharusnya 10.000  
dan kepada Koran Tempo tentang anak jalanan bahwa tidak ada anak jalanan di 
Jakarta.  Monggo!

From: rezameutia 
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:07 AM
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [proletar] Re: ANAK JALANAN MENJAMUR

  


--- In mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com, "Sunny"  wrote:
>
> Refl: Diberitakan oleh rezim berkuasa bahwa penduduk berpendapatan US$ 
> 3.000,â€"per capita, jadi seharusnya anak jalanan berkurang dan tidak 
> menjamur, tetapi ternayta sebaliknya. Mungkin sekali salah satu dari berita 
> ini tidak benar. Menurut Anda mana yang tidak benar?
> 

kalo jij sering membaca media asing seperti 'the economist', 'wall street 
journal', maka berita tentang indonesia selalu positif seperti 'rating 
investment dari moody naik', cadangan devisa naik diatas 100 milyar dolar, 
investor berdatangan ke indonesia (fdi naik signifikan) karena stabilitas 
politik kondusif, dll. pokoknya berita mereka intinya, indonesia is on the 
right track.

kalo jij membaca media lokal indonesia, maka berita tentang indonesia selalu 
negatif, karena berita yang di 'quote' oleh media lokal adalah politisi, 
pengamat, anggota dpr, polisi. pokoknya berita mereka intinya, indonesia adalah 
banana state, failed state.

sekarang jij tinggal pake otak aja, jij mau percaya berita dari media asing 
yang berdasarkan data dan fakta, atau jij percaya media lokal yang berdasarkan 
opini politisi, anggota dpr?

just use your brain, bitch...

hehehe

> 
> http://epaper.tempo.co/PUBLICATIONS/KT/KT/2012/01/21/ArticleHtmls/ANAK-JALANAN-MENJAMUR-21012012141008.shtml?Mode=0
> 
> 
> ANAK JALANAN MENJAMUR 
> 
> 
> Depok akan menerapkan jam malam untuk anak jalanan.
> 
> Malam turun di Kota Depok, Rabu lalu. Gelap mulai me nyelimuti. Buat 
> anak-anak kebanyakan, ini jelas waktunya masuk kamar dan beristirahat kalau 
> tidak bergelut dengan buku-buku pelajaran. 
> Tapi tidak bagi Asmawati Efendi, 13 tahun. Bocah perempuan itu malah semakin 
> asyik dengan ukulele lusuhnya tepat di bawah lampu pengatur lalu lintas yang 
> menyala hijau di satu persimpangan di Jalan Margonda. Setiap kali lampu 
> berganti menyala merah, dia melangkah maju dan menghampiri setiap pengendara.
> 
> Asmawati tidak sendiri. Banyak teman sebayanya yang lebih memilih 
> menghabiskan malam justru di jalanan dan mengamen seperti itu.
> “Kalau pagi tetap sekolah, Bang,“ katanya.
> 
> Kota Depok memang mendelegasikan diri sebagai kota layak anak.
> Tapi yang terjadi belakangan ini pasti bukan seperti yang diharapkan. Kota 
> penyangga Ibu Kota di sebelah selatan ini kini justru diramaikan oleh 
> anak-anak di jalanan.
> Mereka seperti Asmawati dan teman-temannya itu, yang “tiba-tiba“ saja 
> bermunculan di sepanjang ruas Jalan Margonda.
> 
> Mereka tak hanya mengamen, tapi bahkan meminta-minta. Ini seperti yang 
> dilakukan Abim, 13 tahun.“Daripada mencuri, Bang,”katanya. 
> 
> Pohan, 13 tahun, yang ditemui di sudut lain dari Jalan Margonda, menyatakan 
> tidak ada yang menyuruhnya untuk berada di sana mencari uang. Pohan tinggal 
> bersama kakeknya dan tidak tahu di mana orang tuanya. “Enggak ada yang 
> suruh. 
> 
> Uangnya untuk beli nasi,”katanya. 
> 
> Kepala Seksi Pengendalian Operasional di Satuan Polisi Pamong Praja Kota 
> Depok, Diki Erwin, mengaku tahu kemunculan anakanak jalanan yang bak jamur di 
> musim hujan itu. Diki, yang ditemui di kantornya Kamis lalu, menyatakan 
> mengawasi keberadaan anakanak jalanan itu sepanjang hari, setiap pagi sampai 
> sore. 
> 
> “Tapi mereka munculnya mulai malam,” katanya sambil menambahkan, “kami 
> akan membuat jam malam.” 
> 
> Namun Diki memastikan anakanak jalanan di wilayahnya tidak terorganisasi. 
> “Mereka sendiri-sendiri. Jika ada kelompok, itu hanya karena 
> pertemanan,”kata Diki. 
> Terhadap anak-anak berusia belasan tahun itu, Diki mengatakan, ia menjalankan 
> pendekatan secara khusus. Dia menolak cara-cara razia dan pengusiran. Dia 
> menyebut teknik menjangkau atau menjaring tanpa menggunakan paksaan. “Kalau 
> mereka tidak mau ikut, saat terjaring, kami minta identitasnya saja,”kata 
> Diki. 
> 
> Setelah mendapatkan alamat tempat tinggalnya, petugas Satpol PP langsung 
> bergerak mendatangi rumah dan keluarga atau orang tua si anak. Disekolahkan 
> atau tidak, Diki menegaskan, si anak tidak diperbolehkan mencari uang di 
> jalan. 
> 
> Diki mengatakan Satpol PP Kota Depok juga menjalin kerja sama dengan Dinas 
> Ketenagakerjaan dan Sosial Kota Depok. Lewat kerja sama itu, beberapa anak 
> jalanan yang dijaring ada yang dikirim untuk sekolah di Yayasan Bina Insan 
> Mandiri Depok. “Tiga hari yang lalu, dua orang kami kirim ke 
> sana,“katanya.

[proletar] Libya drops election quota for women

2012-01-21 Thread Sunny 
http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article565904.ece
Libya drops election quota for women
By REUTERS 

Published: Jan 20, 2012 18:54 Updated: Jan 20, 2012 23:16 

TRIPOLI: Libya will scrap a proposal for 10 percent of seats in a new national 
assembly to be set aside for women, a Western diplomat who is engaged in 
discussions with the Libyan election committee told Reuters on Friday.

The new, 200-member assembly is set to be elected in June to draw up a 
constitution after the overthrow of Muammar Qaddafi last year.

Last month, the interim ruling National Transitional Council (NTC) posted a 
draft election law on its website and asked people to comment on it as part of 
a plan to engage the population in the democratic process. The draft called for 
20 seats to be set aside for women.

“After the draft election law was posted on the NTC website for feedback from 
the public, 80 percent of the 14,000 e-mails received (by the NTC) were against 
the quota, including women’s rights groups,” the diplomat said.

Some Libyan women’s rights groups still support the quota, and say it should be 
made higher - perhaps more than 50 percent to reflect a majority female 
population in the country.

Among other changes from the original draft, members of parliament will be 
elected from separate constituencies, rather than competing countrywide.

The United Nations had urged Libya to hold elections in constituencies, which 
ensures all regions are represented and makes it easier to limit fraud than in 
a countrywide tally where problematic results in one area can taint the entire 
outcome.

A rule barring holders of multiple nationalities from voting will also be 
scrapped, and the new rules relax a ban on members of the NTC running for 
seats. The ban was put in place to emphasize a change in power from the 
internationally recognized but self-appointed NTC to the new elected body.

“Political figures and NTC members are still forbidden from running in the 
elections to teach people about the transfer of power, but the NTC thought that 
banning members of the local NTC councils would be unnecessary,” the diplomat 
said.

“Local NTC council members will be allowed to run.”

Libyans with ties to Qaddafi will still be banned from running in elections, as 
will academics who wrote about Qaddafi’s “Green Book,” containing his musings 
on politics, economics and everyday life.


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[proletar] Re: BARCA Harus Kalah!!

2012-01-21 Thread rezameutia 
pasingsingan udah mulai merangkak naik mendekati 'top ten' sebelum liburan 
natal ke posisi 12.  pada saat liburan nggak pernah buka email dan nggak 'keep 
up' dengan berita dari liga fantasi sehingga cuman dapet point 30-an di 2 
minggu terakhir.

damn...




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> BARCA Harus Kalah!!
> 
> http://ligafantasi.blogspot.com/2012/01/barca-harus-kalah.html
>






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[proletar] Re: ANAK JALANAN MENJAMUR

2012-01-21 Thread rezameutia 


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Sunny"  wrote:
>
> Refl: Diberitakan oleh rezim berkuasa bahwa penduduk berpendapatan US$ 
> 3.000,â€"per capita, jadi seharusnya anak jalanan berkurang dan tidak 
> menjamur, tetapi ternayta sebaliknya. Mungkin sekali salah satu dari berita 
> ini tidak benar. Menurut Anda mana yang tidak benar?
> 


kalo jij sering membaca media asing seperti 'the economist', 'wall street 
journal', maka berita tentang indonesia selalu positif seperti 'rating 
investment  dari moody naik', cadangan devisa naik diatas 100 milyar dolar, 
investor berdatangan ke indonesia (fdi naik signifikan) karena stabilitas 
politik kondusif, dll.  pokoknya berita mereka intinya, indonesia is on the 
right track.

kalo jij membaca media lokal indonesia, maka berita tentang indonesia selalu 
negatif, karena berita yang di 'quote' oleh media lokal adalah politisi, 
pengamat, anggota dpr, polisi.  pokoknya berita mereka intinya, indonesia 
adalah banana state, failed state.

sekarang jij tinggal pake otak aja, jij mau percaya berita dari media asing 
yang berdasarkan data dan fakta, atau jij percaya media lokal yang berdasarkan 
opini politisi, anggota dpr?
 
just use your brain, bitch...

hehehe





> 
> http://epaper.tempo.co/PUBLICATIONS/KT/KT/2012/01/21/ArticleHtmls/ANAK-JALANAN-MENJAMUR-21012012141008.shtml?Mode=0
> 
> 
> ANAK JALANAN MENJAMUR 
> 
>  
> Depok akan menerapkan jam malam untuk anak jalanan.
> 
> Malam turun di Kota Depok, Rabu lalu. Gelap mulai me nyelimuti. Buat 
> anak-anak kebanyakan, ini jelas waktunya masuk kamar dan beristirahat kalau 
> tidak bergelut dengan buku-buku pelajaran. 
> Tapi tidak bagi Asmawati Efendi, 13 tahun. Bocah perempuan itu malah semakin 
> asyik dengan ukulele lusuhnya tepat di bawah lampu pengatur lalu lintas yang 
> menyala hijau di satu persimpangan di Jalan Margonda. Setiap kali lampu 
> berganti menyala merah, dia melangkah maju dan menghampiri setiap pengendara.
> 
> Asmawati tidak sendiri. Banyak teman sebayanya yang lebih memilih 
> menghabiskan malam justru di jalanan dan mengamen seperti itu.
> “Kalau pagi tetap sekolah, Bang,“ katanya.
> 
> Kota Depok memang mendelegasikan diri sebagai kota layak anak.
> Tapi yang terjadi belakangan ini pasti bukan seperti yang diharapkan. Kota 
> penyangga Ibu Kota di sebelah selatan ini kini justru diramaikan oleh 
> anak-anak di jalanan.
> Mereka seperti Asmawati dan teman-temannya itu, yang “tiba-tiba“ saja 
> bermunculan di sepanjang ruas Jalan Margonda.
> 
> Mereka tak hanya mengamen, tapi bahkan meminta-minta. Ini seperti yang 
> dilakukan Abim, 13 tahun.“Daripada mencuri, Bang,”katanya. 
> 
> Pohan, 13 tahun, yang ditemui di sudut lain dari Jalan Margonda, menyatakan 
> tidak ada yang menyuruhnya untuk berada di sana mencari uang. Pohan tinggal 
> bersama kakeknya dan tidak tahu di mana orang tuanya. “Enggak ada yang 
> suruh. 
> 
> Uangnya untuk beli nasi,”katanya. 
> 
> Kepala Seksi Pengendalian Operasional di Satuan Polisi Pamong Praja Kota 
> Depok, Diki Erwin, mengaku tahu kemunculan anakanak jalanan yang bak jamur di 
> musim hujan itu. Diki, yang ditemui di kantornya Kamis lalu, menyatakan 
> mengawasi keberadaan anakanak jalanan itu sepanjang hari, setiap pagi sampai 
> sore. 
> 
> “Tapi mereka munculnya mulai malam,” katanya sambil menambahkan, “kami 
> akan membuat jam malam.” 
> 
> Namun Diki memastikan anakanak jalanan di wilayahnya tidak terorganisasi. 
> “Mereka sendiri-sendiri. Jika ada kelompok, itu hanya karena 
> pertemanan,”kata Diki. 
> Terhadap anak-anak berusia belasan tahun itu, Diki mengatakan, ia menjalankan 
> pendekatan secara khusus. Dia menolak cara-cara razia dan pengusiran. Dia 
> menyebut teknik menjangkau atau menjaring tanpa menggunakan paksaan. “Kalau 
> mereka tidak mau ikut, saat terjaring, kami minta identitasnya saja,”kata 
> Diki. 
> 
> Setelah mendapatkan alamat tempat tinggalnya, petugas Satpol PP langsung 
> bergerak mendatangi rumah dan keluarga atau orang tua si anak. Disekolahkan 
> atau tidak, Diki menegaskan, si anak tidak diperbolehkan mencari uang di 
> jalan. 
> 
> Diki mengatakan Satpol PP Kota Depok juga menjalin kerja sama dengan Dinas 
> Ketenagakerjaan dan Sosial Kota Depok. Lewat kerja sama itu, beberapa anak 
> jalanan yang dijaring ada yang dikirim untuk sekolah di Yayasan Bina Insan 
> Mandiri Depok. “Tiga hari yang lalu, dua orang kami kirim ke 
> sana,“katanya. 
> 
> Diki menunjukkan data kedua anak yang terjaring dari Terminal Depok itu, 
> masing-masing Fahmi Fahrozi, 15 tahun, dan Fais, 13 tahun.Yang pertama 
> berasal dari Kelurahan Cipayung, Jakarta Timur, bapaknya buta dan ibunya 
> bekerja sebagai pembantu rumah tangga di Banyuwangi, Jawa Timur.
> 
> Adapun Fais mengaku tak lagi punya orang tua. “Mereka kami jaring di 
> Terminal Depok,“kata Diki.
> 
> Tidak hanya disekolahkan, ada pula anak jalanan yang telah berusia lebih dari 
> 16 tahun dikirim sebagai tenaga kerja. Satu orang disebutka

[proletar] Gangs and middlemen exploit market of hiring housemaids

2012-01-21 Thread Sunny 
Refl: Bagaimana dengan misi Dr Habibie, mantan presiden NKRI, yang diberi tugas 
istimewa oleh SBY untuk menyelamatkan TKW dari hukuman mati di Arab Saudia. 
Tidak ada berita selain Habibie menyerahkan riwayat hidupnya kepada pangeran 
Alaweed. Sudah hampir satu bulan lamanya misinya itu, belum ada khabar jelas 
hasilnya. Apakah masih terus berunding ataukah gagal misi tsb dalam arti tidak 
diharaukan oleh pemerintah Arab Saudia? 


Tentu saja seperti berita di bawah ini bahwa gangster dan pengatara 
mengexploatasi TKW. Tetapi, barangkali juga tidak boleh dilupakan bahwa 
pemerintah NKRI juga mempunyai peranan istimewa sebagai sponsor “legal human 
trafficking” untuk mengirim berbondong tenaga kerja tanpa perlindungan hukum 
sepatutnya, demi untuk mengurangangi tekanan pengangguran terhadap beleid 
politik penenpatan tenaga kerja dalam negeri dan pada juga pada lain pihak 
untuk mendapat tambahan devisa, TKW/TKI dengan bangga oleh penguasa rezim 
diberi gelar pahlawan devisa selama ini (kurang lebih 40 tahun).


http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article565952.ece
Gangs and middlemen exploit market of hiring housemaids
 
Many maids come without knowledge or experience and they are asked to pretend 
that they had this knowledge and experience and show good manners in the first 
three months.

By ALI BLUWI | ARAB NEWS 

Published: Jan 20, 2012 23:30 Updated: Jan 20, 2012 23:30 

RIYADH: After years of refusing to consider having a maid in my house, I 
finally gave in. I hired a maid after I did what was possible to avoid this 
choice for several reasons. First, I do not know this new human being and would 
find it hard to accept her as part of my household. Second, I do not like 
injustice and tyranny to be inflicted on myself; therefore it is equally 
difficult for me to accept it when it touches others. That said, I had to give 
in. I tried my best to be accurate and lucky in my choices. At the beginning, I 
naively thought that the market is economic and based on service for a service. 
I thought that those maids coming from Asia were looking for two things. First, 
to find families that are fair; and second, to receive their wages in full.

Yet, this rosy picture faded away when I made the first mistake. The employment 
office was not able to transfer the sponsorship quickly enough after I paid in 
full all required amounts of money and even more. The owner of the office used 
different reasons for this slowdown. After he realized that I might file a 
complaint against him he tried to blackmail me. He said that he would file a 
complaint claiming I had hosted a fleeing maid! It is then when I felt let 
down. Luckily enough, one lawyer was aware of these kinds of fraud offices. 
This took place before employment offices became monitored. Furthermore, the 
lawyer told me that many maids came from Asia without knowledge or experience. 
They are asked to pretend that they had this knowledge and experience and show 
good manners in the first three months. This three-month trial period is 
important because during this period the employment office is accountable and 
after that it is the responsibility of the hosting family. I asked how this 
could happen especially when states deal with each other according to 
agreements. Also embassies are there! Yet some are good at being fraudulent. 
Furthermore, the cost of hiring a maid through these offices is extremely high 
and it would be much better if we are allowed to hire maids directly. The 
lawyer called the employment office and he managed to verify his identity. This 
office deals with fleeing maids. He said the market of maids is spread not only 
in the Gulf but also in Asia. Many maids lose their organs in these countries 
because of their dealing with fraudulent gangs.

Despite all strict procedures, this phenomenon is not coming to an end easily. 
Some maids are asked to stay for four months and then ask for permission to 
travel to see their families. When they fail to show up again, the employment 
office has a legal argument that its responsibility is limited to the first 
three months, the trial period. What happens to the maid that pushes her to 
change entirely after this period? Losses are high, the office takes all of its 
fees but the family suffers financially alone. According to studies, the losses 
of Saudi families due to the phenomenon of maids fleeing have surpassed SR50 
million annually. The problem lies in the fact that there is no official body 
to protect the rights of the maid and the family alike. The Ministry of Labor 
has set new regulations such as forming big employment offices to work 
according to certain regulations. Yet, this will not end the phenomenon of 
fleeing maids that is seen as a parallel lucrative market.

One of the owners of an employment office told Arab News that the problem was 
not in the official procedures nor in the certified employment offices, but in 
the mock offices that have been working in an illegal an