Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
Hi, The last update I got I believe said 10.2 in the download file name what method can I use in pro tools to check what version I am running? Nick Gawronski On 6/5/2012 9:57 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK NIck, but are you on 10.2, or are you on just 10.0? I don't think things really completely broke until 10.2. Chris. - Original Message - From: Nick Gawronski n...@nickgawronski.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:17 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings. I am also able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are having these accessibility issues. I really think we should write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even more. If they are doing any demos of products near where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person what issues we have they will probably will understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed. As voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this point. Nick Gawronski On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What! on earth! If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then Im gowen back to Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous! Chris.
Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
Hi, I would call avid or email them and ask why they won't as I find that usually if you can explain the issues to them in a way that they understand they can fix the issue. I would not just give up as if we do that to a company it kind of makes them think that they are right about not caring about accessibility which I am not trying to say that they don't care but I am sure there is an option rather then buying another ilok. Do they even have the ability to issue you a new pro tools 9 license after you buy the ilok or would you have to buy an ilok with the license installed already on it? Nick Gawronski On 6/5/2012 10:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: See, that's the other thing. You mention about Mountain Lion. That's to be released this Summer hopefully. I have heard nothing about PT compatibility with it. I dono... Actually, I finally heard back from Sweetwater, and they are now even telling me after doing much research, there is nothing that they can do either. We're kind of at the mercy of Avid. Well, Avid says they won't do anything, so... I guess I'm just F***ed. Chris. - Original Message - *From:* Ronald van Rhijn mailto:pa...@xs4all.nl *To:* ptaccess@googlegroups.com mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:33 PM *Subject:* Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi Chris and others, First of all let me say I am happy for you Sweetwater is doing it's best for your problem. then the Pro Tools 10 plugin troubles, this is quite a bummer, haven't read anything about this before either. Very bad, instead of expanding accessibility it has become less. Wrong way for sure. Avid had to be aware of this, but was probably the only option for them. Of course this is still very bad for us. A petition doesn't seem to be the best thing to do at the moment, don't think we will get through to Avid this way. Better let Slau bring it to their attention. On the other hand I don't think Avid is taking us very seriously to be honest…. When came 8.04 out, two years ago? I ain't upgrading to 10 just yet either. 9 is fully Lion compatible right? How about Mountain Lion? Just my humble opinion. cheers, Ronald Op 5 jun. 2012, om 16:33 heeft Christopher-Mark Gilland het volgende geschreven: I second your thoughts here. I think before I completely say nothing's being done, it doesn't seem to appear that way, I'll gladly admit, but who knows. I'm not an Avid engineer. O? K, you'd think they would have tested this more thoroughly in our defense, but... Yeah, I think you get the point. I so would like to hear Slau's opinion on the new 10.2's accessibility, and moving forward what we're hoping to do to get to the bottom of this. I did speak to Christopher Geissler over at Sweetwater, and he was very prompt at getting right on things. He got a few e-mails shot off to some of the real high up guys in Avid, apparently, plus, he said there is a guy who works at Avid who's in the SW building about 3 days every week, so he said he'd sit down today over lunch with the guy and discuss my situation, and see what could be done. In Mr. Geissler's defense, I think he's doing an absolutely fabulous job at taking ownership of this case to the best of his ability. Chris. - Original Message - *From:*Vincenzo Rubano mailto:vincenzorub...@email.it *To:*ptaccess@googlegroups.com mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:53 AM *Subject:*Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi all, ok, this is just an idea, maybe we should consider all advices/opinions/ideas before start this important petition… I would be really interested in Slau's opinion, because we can consider him as the most experienced person in having relationships with Avid; I read his opinion about accessibility development in pt some weeks ago and I agreed enough…But what about this new situation? If things are really as they seems to be (I trust everyone, but I think I am the least-experienced pt user and I cannot give good advices about this problem) this is really a nightmare for every blind protools user… On the other hand, however, I have to say that 2 or 3 days ago Chuck talked about some midi-features that he uses with protools…So is this a new pt-feature became accessible in PT 10? Or what else? Or did I misunderstand everything? Let's consider much more ideas first, after that we could decide how to create the petition (I already have an idea! ;)). This is just my advice, I hope it was clear and understandable and, most of all, I hope this message isn't offensive
Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
Hmm. If you go to the protools menu in the menu bar, is there an about Pro tools? Also, are you on standard PT, or do you have PT HD or something of the like. Chris. - Original Message - From: Nick Gawronski n...@nickgawronski.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:07 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi, The last update I got I believe said 10.2 in the download file name what method can I use in pro tools to check what version I am running? Nick Gawronski On 6/5/2012 9:57 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK NIck, but are you on 10.2, or are you on just 10.0? I don't think things really completely broke until 10.2. Chris. - Original Message - From: Nick Gawronski n...@nickgawronski.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:17 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings. I am also able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are having these accessibility issues. I really think we should write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even more. If they are doing any demos of products near where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person what issues we have they will probably will understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed. As voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this point. Nick Gawronski On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What
Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
Nick, I already have tried. So has Sweet water. We've called muliple times. They just will, not, do it. They told me they don't even have a way anymore of making a pt 9 license. They said they could do pt m power 9, but even then, 1, yes, I'd need a new ilok which they refuse to give me at their expense, and I do not have $49 to chuck away. And even if I did, why should that be on me for something I didn't do to start with? Also being they said that I forfitted my p t mp 9 license, they can't just give me one. They said that would be like them giving me protools for free. Being they have no indication I ever had pt mp 9 being the license was over written even on their end with my p t 10, they have no proof that I had it. I gave them the serial number which they said yielded nothing as it would a been deactivated when I got p t 10 and totally would have deleted the serial from their database. So, yeah... Chris. - Original Message - From: Nick Gawronski n...@nickgawronski.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi, I would call avid or email them and ask why they won't as I find that usually if you can explain the issues to them in a way that they understand they can fix the issue. I would not just give up as if we do that to a company it kind of makes them think that they are right about not caring about accessibility which I am not trying to say that they don't care but I am sure there is an option rather then buying another ilok. Do they even have the ability to issue you a new pro tools 9 license after you buy the ilok or would you have to buy an ilok with the license installed already on it? Nick Gawronski On 6/5/2012 10:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: See, that's the other thing. You mention about Mountain Lion. That's to be released this Summer hopefully. I have heard nothing about PT compatibility with it. I dono... Actually, I finally heard back from Sweetwater, and they are now even telling me after doing much research, there is nothing that they can do either. We're kind of at the mercy of Avid. Well, Avid says they won't do anything, so... I guess I'm just F***ed. Chris. - Original Message - *From:* Ronald van Rhijn mailto:pa...@xs4all.nl *To:* ptaccess@googlegroups.com mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:33 PM *Subject:* Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi Chris and others, First of all let me say I am happy for you Sweetwater is doing it's best for your problem. then the Pro Tools 10 plugin troubles, this is quite a bummer, haven't read anything about this before either. Very bad, instead of expanding accessibility it has become less. Wrong way for sure. Avid had to be aware of this, but was probably the only option for them. Of course this is still very bad for us. A petition doesn't seem to be the best thing to do at the moment, don't think we will get through to Avid this way. Better let Slau bring it to their attention. On the other hand I don't think Avid is taking us very seriously to be honest…. When came 8.04 out, two years ago? I ain't upgrading to 10 just yet either. 9 is fully Lion compatible right? How about Mountain Lion? Just my humble opinion. cheers, Ronald Op 5 jun. 2012, om 16:33 heeft Christopher-Mark Gilland het volgende geschreven: I second your thoughts here. I think before I completely say nothing's being done, it doesn't seem to appear that way, I'll gladly admit, but who knows. I'm not an Avid engineer. O? K, you'd think they would have tested this more thoroughly in our defense, but... Yeah, I think you get the point. I so would like to hear Slau's opinion on the new 10.2's accessibility, and moving forward what we're hoping to do to get to the bottom of this. I did speak to Christopher Geissler over at Sweetwater, and he was very prompt at getting right on things. He got a few e-mails shot off to some of the real high up guys in Avid, apparently, plus, he said there is a guy who works at Avid who's in the SW building about 3 days every week, so he said he'd sit down today over lunch with the guy and discuss my situation, and see what could be done. In Mr. Geissler's defense, I think he's doing an absolutely fabulous job at taking ownership of this case to the best of his ability. Chris. - Original Message - *From:*Vincenzo Rubano mailto:vincenzorub...@email.it *To:*ptaccess@googlegroups.com mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:53 AM *Subject:*Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi all, ok, this is just an idea, maybe we should consider
Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
Hi, I have a normal pro tools system and yes I just checked and it is 10.2 but I am able to add reverb just fine using an aux track. In order to down grade back to 10 do I have to uninstall everything and reinstall as I would like to save my preferences so I don't have to reset them? Nick Gawronski On 6/6/2012 1:40 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Hmm. If you go to the protools menu in the menu bar, is there an about Pro tools? Also, are you on standard PT, or do you have PT HD or something of the like. Chris. - Original Message - From: Nick Gawronski n...@nickgawronski.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:07 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi, The last update I got I believe said 10.2 in the download file name what method can I use in pro tools to check what version I am running? Nick Gawronski On 6/5/2012 9:57 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK NIck, but are you on 10.2, or are you on just 10.0? I don't think things really completely broke until 10.2. Chris. - Original Message - From: Nick Gawronski n...@nickgawronski.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:17 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings. I am also able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are having these accessibility issues. I really think we should write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even more. If they are doing any demos of products near where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person what issues we have they will probably will understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed. As voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this point. Nick Gawronski On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got
Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
Hi, well that portion about them not being able to make you a new license they might not have any control of as they probably don't even have a way to access the older licensing systems as I am not sure how ilok licensing works as I am sure it is different then just generaging a serial number. Nick Gawronski On 6/6/2012 1:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Nick, I already have tried. So has Sweet water. We've called muliple times. They just will, not, do it. They told me they don't even have a way anymore of making a pt 9 license. They said they could do pt m power 9, but even then, 1, yes, I'd need a new ilok which they refuse to give me at their expense, and I do not have $49 to chuck away. And even if I did, why should that be on me for something I didn't do to start with? Also being they said that I forfitted my p t mp 9 license, they can't just give me one. They said that would be like them giving me protools for free. Being they have no indication I ever had pt mp 9 being the license was over written even on their end with my p t 10, they have no proof that I had it. I gave them the serial number which they said yielded nothing as it would a been deactivated when I got p t 10 and totally would have deleted the serial from their database. So, yeah... Chris. - Original Message - From: Nick Gawronski n...@nickgawronski.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi, I would call avid or email them and ask why they won't as I find that usually if you can explain the issues to them in a way that they understand they can fix the issue. I would not just give up as if we do that to a company it kind of makes them think that they are right about not caring about accessibility which I am not trying to say that they don't care but I am sure there is an option rather then buying another ilok. Do they even have the ability to issue you a new pro tools 9 license after you buy the ilok or would you have to buy an ilok with the license installed already on it? Nick Gawronski On 6/5/2012 10:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: See, that's the other thing. You mention about Mountain Lion. That's to be released this Summer hopefully. I have heard nothing about PT compatibility with it. I dono... Actually, I finally heard back from Sweetwater, and they are now even telling me after doing much research, there is nothing that they can do either. We're kind of at the mercy of Avid. Well, Avid says they won't do anything, so... I guess I'm just F***ed. Chris. - Original Message - *From:* Ronald van Rhijn mailto:pa...@xs4all.nl *To:* ptaccess@googlegroups.com mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:33 PM *Subject:* Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi Chris and others, First of all let me say I am happy for you Sweetwater is doing it's best for your problem. then the Pro Tools 10 plugin troubles, this is quite a bummer, haven't read anything about this before either. Very bad, instead of expanding accessibility it has become less. Wrong way for sure. Avid had to be aware of this, but was probably the only option for them. Of course this is still very bad for us. A petition doesn't seem to be the best thing to do at the moment, don't think we will get through to Avid this way. Better let Slau bring it to their attention. On the other hand I don't think Avid is taking us very seriously to be honest…. When came 8.04 out, two years ago? I ain't upgrading to 10 just yet either. 9 is fully Lion compatible right? How about Mountain Lion? Just my humble opinion. cheers, Ronald Op 5 jun. 2012, om 16:33 heeft Christopher-Mark Gilland het volgende geschreven: I second your thoughts here. I think before I completely say nothing's being done, it doesn't seem to appear that way, I'll gladly admit, but who knows. I'm not an Avid engineer. O? K, you'd think they would have tested this more thoroughly in our defense, but... Yeah, I think you get the point. I so would like to hear Slau's opinion on the new 10.2's accessibility, and moving forward what we're hoping to do to get to the bottom of this. I did speak to Christopher Geissler over at Sweetwater, and he was very prompt at getting right on things. He got a few e-mails shot off to some of the real high up guys in Avid, apparently, plus, he said there is a guy who works at Avid who's in the SW building about 3 days every week, so he said he'd sit down today over lunch with the guy and discuss my situation, and see what could be done. In Mr. Geissler's defense, I think he's doing an absolutely fabulous job at taking ownership of this case to the best of his ability. Chris. - Original Message - *From:*Vincenzo Rubano mailto:vincenzorub...@email.it *To:*ptaccess@googlegroups.com mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:53 AM *Subject:*Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2
Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
When you uninstall, it'll ask you if you wanna do a clean uninstall or keep your preferences and such, so you'd just say you wanna keep your preferences. But, why do you wanna do that if it works for you right now. I know know how it could, but if it is, more power to ya! Hold on here though: You keep saying reverb works for you. That's good, but, let's really! put this to the test. Do exactly to a t what I say here and let's see if it breaks on your end. Create a new session with an empty template. Literally just start from scratch like you were doing a brand spanken new session. We're not gonna do this with A U X tracks through a send, so hear me out on this. Once the session's up, hit command+shift+N to make a new track. For all intents and purpose, just make it a mono audio track. Now, go to insert A and then to the plugin sub menu. In here, I know nothing's yet recorded on here, but that's ok. The point is, let's try just adding an insert, and see if we can temporarily break it. Go to e q, we'll just say. Open that sub menu under the plugin sub menu. now go down to E Q 3 7 band. Now, in the plugin window, vo+right arrow and you'll notice something interesting. Before, remember you had a pop up button that said factory default which was your librarian menu? Well, now, it won't even say that it's a pop up, nor will it say factory default. It'll just say librarian combo box. Now, if you try to hit vo+space on this, nothing'll happen. Now route your mouse for me with vo+command+F5. Now hit vo+shift+space to literally click this pop up. See, now! you can! get in it. now you can go say to the vocal submenu, then to say, add air. Now once on add air, vo+space again won't work. You'll have to route the mouse, then vo+shift+space. So now, we have that set. now we have a real! big problem. Vo+right arrow for me, through this plugin window. Nothing: Ding, ding, ding. you can't get to any of the perametors, so, what if I need to cut some mud, say cut by about 3DB around the 200HZ range. You're screwed. You can't! OK, try hitting command W to close the window. Boom! Lookat: See? It didn't close. Now, go fn+vo+left arrow, or if you don't have an fn key, then just do vo+Home. Now vo+left arrow until you see the close button way up there at the top of the plugin. Try to vo+space on it. nothing. Route the mouse and then vo+shift+space. Haa! Lookat that! It closed something all right. It closed the window behind! the plugin. Probably your mix window. Isn't that ridiculous? This never! ever! happened in PT m P 9! Never! If you're getting these plugins in PT 10.2 to work and you can ajust all the settings in them, then correctly close them when done, then by God, do tell! How're you doing it! Tell me as I did here, step by step what keys to hit, and what to do. You say you can do these things in 10.2, not 10.0, but 10.2. So now! you got me really! intrigued! Do, please tell. Chris. - Original Message - From: Nick Gawronski n...@nickgawronski.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi, I have a normal pro tools system and yes I just checked and it is 10.2 but I am able to add reverb just fine using an aux track. In order to down grade back to 10 do I have to uninstall everything and reinstall as I would like to save my preferences so I don't have to reset them? Nick Gawronski On 6/6/2012 1:40 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Hmm. If you go to the protools menu in the menu bar, is there an about Pro tools? Also, are you on standard PT, or do you have PT HD or something of the like. Chris. - Original Message - From: Nick Gawronski n...@nickgawronski.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:07 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi, The last update I got I believe said 10.2 in the download file name what method can I use in pro tools to check what version I am running? Nick Gawronski On 6/5/2012 9:57 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK NIck, but are you on 10.2, or are you on just 10.0? I don't think things really completely broke until 10.2. Chris. - Original Message - From: Nick Gawronski n...@nickgawronski.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:17 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings. I am also able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are having these accessibility issues. I really think we should write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even more
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Hi all, I think this situation is really dangerous for accessibility in protools! Maybe a petition to report at Avid the problem with this new plugin format and to remember them they still need to do more for full accessibility in protools could be a not-so-bad idea… Just my thought, as a blind not using protools yet, but interested in doing it in the next future... Vincenzo. Il giorno 05/giu/2012, alle ore 03:56, Kevin Reeves ha scritto: The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What! on earth! If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then Im gowen back to Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous! Chris.
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I totally agree! Slau? What is your advice seeing you are working very heavily, apparently with them on accessibility issues. Oh, and thank you for that by the way. NO seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I really genuinely mean it. I'd be happy to start the petition, but where then do I take it when we get enough sigs? BTW, would you also believe I can't even go back to mp9. I forfitted my M-Powered 9 ilok license when I got pt 10. Avid refuse to help when I called them. All they gave me was get another ILok, and get another mp9 license which we can sell you. I wanted to say every word in the english book to them at that point plus spit in their face! How dare! they say that to me, after all the effort I put forth to get PT in the first place. I don't think my church would be very happy at all seeing they're the ones who paid for both my macbook, and my ProTools to start with, if they found out about this. If anyone has mp 9.05 and isn't using it, and is willing to transfer their asset, as they've upgraded, may I add, with another iloc so as not to lose the 9.0 asset, let me know. I may wind up having no choice. I'm warning you all now: 10.0 still works to a point, although there are some noticeable problems. Not many, but just enough for me to be deal breakers. Speaking a which, no one ever told me that PT 10.2 took more ram than mp9. Seeing I only got 2GB, and cannot afford to upgrade? I barely could afford the 3 easy payments through Sweet Water to Crossgrade to PT 10, let alone, that. I just hope my agent there can think of something to do in order to compensate for my loss, as I'm one angry! son of a gun right about now! Chris.
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I'll sign it! :) The squeaky wheel gets the grease! ;) BTW I'm on PT version 9.3 with Snow leopard and staying there until the smoke clears! CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com In GOD I Trust On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I totally agree! Slau? What is your advice seeing you are working very heavily, apparently with them on accessibility issues. Oh, and thank you for that by the way. NO seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I really genuinely mean it. I'd be happy to start the petition, but where then do I take it when we get enough sigs? BTW, would you also believe I can't even go back to mp9. I forfitted my M-Powered 9 ilok license when I got pt 10. Avid refuse to help when I called them. All they gave me was get another ILok, and get another mp9 license which we can sell you. I wanted to say every word in the english book to them at that point plus spit in their face! How dare! they say that to me, after all the effort I put forth to get PT in the first place. I don't think my church would be very happy at all seeing they're the ones who paid for both my macbook, and my ProTools to start with, if they found out about this. If anyone has mp 9.05 and isn't using it, and is willing to transfer their asset, as they've upgraded, may I add, with another iloc so as not to lose the 9.0 asset, let me know. I may wind up having no choice. I'm warning you all now: 10.0 still works to a point, although there are some noticeable problems. Not many, but just enough for me to be deal breakers. Speaking a which, no one ever told me that PT 10.2 took more ram than mp9. Seeing I only got 2GB, and cannot afford to upgrade? I barely could afford the 3 easy payments through Sweet Water to Crossgrade to PT 10, let alone, that. I just hope my agent there can think of something to do in order to compensate for my loss, as I'm one angry! son of a gun right about now! Chris.
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How do we even make an online patition? I'd not know where to start. Chris. - Original Message - From: CHUCK REICHEL To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! I'll sign it! :) The squeaky wheel gets the grease! ;) BTW I'm on PT version 9.3 with Snow leopard and staying there until the smoke clears! CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com In GOD I Trust On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I totally agree! Slau? What is your advice seeing you are working very heavily, apparently with them on accessibility issues. Oh, and thank you for that by the way. NO seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I really genuinely mean it. I'd be happy to start the petition, but where then do I take it when we get enough sigs? BTW, would you also believe I can't even go back to mp9. I forfitted my M-Powered 9 ilok license when I got pt 10. Avid refuse to help when I called them. All they gave me was get another ILok, and get another mp9 license which we can sell you. I wanted to say every word in the english book to them at that point plus spit in their face! How dare! they say that to me, after all the effort I put forth to get PT in the first place. I don't think my church would be very happy at all seeing they're the ones who paid for both my macbook, and my ProTools to start with, if they found out about this. If anyone has mp 9.05 and isn't using it, and is willing to transfer their asset, as they've upgraded, may I add, with another iloc so as not to lose the 9.0 asset, let me know. I may wind up having no choice. I'm warning you all now: 10.0 still works to a point, although there are some noticeable problems. Not many, but just enough for me to be deal breakers. Speaking a which, no one ever told me that PT 10.2 took more ram than mp9. Seeing I only got 2GB, and cannot afford to upgrade? I barely could afford the 3 easy payments through Sweet Water to Crossgrade to PT 10, let alone, that. I just hope my agent there can think of something to do in order to compensate for my loss, as I'm one angry! son of a gun right about now! Chris.
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Hi all, ok, this is just an idea, maybe we should consider all advices/opinions/ideas before start this important petition… I would be really interested in Slau's opinion, because we can consider him as the most experienced person in having relationships with Avid; I read his opinion about accessibility development in pt some weeks ago and I agreed enough…But what about this new situation? If things are really as they seems to be (I trust everyone, but I think I am the least-experienced pt user and I cannot give good advices about this problem) this is really a nightmare for every blind protools user… On the other hand, however, I have to say that 2 or 3 days ago Chuck talked about some midi-features that he uses with protools…So is this a new pt-feature became accessible in PT 10? Or what else? Or did I misunderstand everything? Let's consider much more ideas first, after that we could decide how to create the petition (I already have an idea! ;)). This is just my advice, I hope it was clear and understandable and, most of all, I hope this message isn't offensive to anyone; if it is I hope you can excuse me…My English isn't so good and sometimes I am not able to say what I really would like to! Vincenzo. Il giorno 05/giu/2012, alle ore 15:07, Christopher-Mark Gilland ha scritto: How do we even make an online patition? I'd not know where to start. Chris. - Original Message - From: CHUCK REICHEL To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! I'll sign it! :) The squeaky wheel gets the grease! ;) BTW I'm on PT version 9.3 with Snow leopard and staying there until the smoke clears! CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com In GOD I Trust On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I totally agree! Slau? What is your advice seeing you are working very heavily, apparently with them on accessibility issues. Oh, and thank you for that by the way. NO seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I really genuinely mean it. I'd be happy to start the petition, but where then do I take it when we get enough sigs? BTW, would you also believe I can't even go back to mp9. I forfitted my M-Powered 9 ilok license when I got pt 10. Avid refuse to help when I called them. All they gave me was get another ILok, and get another mp9 license which we can sell you. I wanted to say every word in the english book to them at that point plus spit in their face! How dare! they say that to me, after all the effort I put forth to get PT in the first place. I don't think my church would be very happy at all seeing they're the ones who paid for both my macbook, and my ProTools to start with, if they found out about this. If anyone has mp 9.05 and isn't using it, and is willing to transfer their asset, as they've upgraded, may I add, with another iloc so as not to lose the 9.0 asset, let me know. I may wind up having no choice. I'm warning you all now: 10.0 still works to a point, although there are some noticeable problems. Not many, but just enough for me to be deal breakers. Speaking a which, no one ever told me that PT 10.2 took more ram than mp9. Seeing I only got 2GB, and cannot afford to upgrade? I barely could afford the 3 easy payments through Sweet Water to Crossgrade to PT 10, let alone, that. I just hope my agent there can think of something to do in order to compensate for my loss, as I'm one angry! son of a gun right about now! Chris.
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I second your thoughts here. I think before I completely say nothing's being done, it doesn't seem to appear that way, I'll gladly admit, but who knows. I'm not an Avid engineer. O? K, you'd think they would have tested this more thoroughly in our defense, but... Yeah, I think you get the point. I so would like to hear Slau's opinion on the new 10.2's accessibility, and moving forward what we're hoping to do to get to the bottom of this. I did speak to Christopher Geissler over at Sweetwater, and he was very prompt at getting right on things. He got a few e-mails shot off to some of the real high up guys in Avid, apparently, plus, he said there is a guy who works at Avid who's in the SW building about 3 days every week, so he said he'd sit down today over lunch with the guy and discuss my situation, and see what could be done. In Mr. Geissler's defense, I think he's doing an absolutely fabulous job at taking ownership of this case to the best of his ability. Chris. - Original Message - From: Vincenzo Rubano To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:53 AM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi all, ok, this is just an idea, maybe we should consider all advices/opinions/ideas before start this important petition… I would be really interested in Slau's opinion, because we can consider him as the most experienced person in having relationships with Avid; I read his opinion about accessibility development in pt some weeks ago and I agreed enough…But what about this new situation? If things are really as they seems to be (I trust everyone, but I think I am the least-experienced pt user and I cannot give good advices about this problem) this is really a nightmare for every blind protools user… On the other hand, however, I have to say that 2 or 3 days ago Chuck talked about some midi-features that he uses with protools…So is this a new pt-feature became accessible in PT 10? Or what else? Or did I misunderstand everything? Let's consider much more ideas first, after that we could decide how to create the petition (I already have an idea! ;)). This is just my advice, I hope it was clear and understandable and, most of all, I hope this message isn't offensive to anyone; if it is I hope you can excuse me…My English isn't so good and sometimes I am not able to say what I really would like to! Vincenzo. Il giorno 05/giu/2012, alle ore 15:07, Christopher-Mark Gilland ha scritto: How do we even make an online patition? I'd not know where to start. Chris. - Original Message - From: CHUCK REICHEL To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! I'll sign it! :) The squeaky wheel gets the grease! ;) BTW I'm on PT version 9.3 with Snow leopard and staying there until the smoke clears! CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com In GOD I Trust On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I totally agree! Slau? What is your advice seeing you are working very heavily, apparently with them on accessibility issues. Oh, and thank you for that by the way. NO seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I really genuinely mean it. I'd be happy to start the petition, but where then do I take it when we get enough sigs? BTW, would you also believe I can't even go back to mp9. I forfitted my M-Powered 9 ilok license when I got pt 10. Avid refuse to help when I called them. All they gave me was get another ILok, and get another mp9 license which we can sell you. I wanted to say every word in the english book to them at that point plus spit in their face! How dare! they say that to me, after all the effort I put forth to get PT in the first place. I don't think my church would be very happy at all seeing they're the ones who paid for both my macbook, and my ProTools to start with, if they found out about this. If anyone has mp 9.05 and isn't using it, and is willing to transfer their asset, as they've upgraded, may I add, with another iloc so as not to lose the 9.0 asset, let me know. I may wind up having no choice. I'm warning you all now: 10.0 still works to a point, although there are some noticeable problems. Not many, but just enough for me to be deal breakers. Speaking a which, no one ever told me that PT 10.2 took more ram than mp9. Seeing I only got 2GB, and cannot afford to upgrade? I barely could afford the 3 easy payments through Sweet Water to Crossgrade to PT 10, let alone, that. I just hope my agent there can think of something to do in order to compensate for my loss, as I'm one angry! son of a gun right about now! Chris.
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Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings. I am also able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are having these accessibility issues. I really think we should write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even more. If they are doing any demos of products near where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person what issues we have they will probably will understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed. As voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this point. Nick Gawronski On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What! on earth! If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then Im gowen back to Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous! Chris.
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Hi Chris and others, First of all let me say I am happy for you Sweetwater is doing it's best for your problem. then the Pro Tools 10 plugin troubles, this is quite a bummer, haven't read anything about this before either. Very bad, instead of expanding accessibility it has become less. Wrong way for sure. Avid had to be aware of this, but was probably the only option for them. Of course this is still very bad for us. A petition doesn't seem to be the best thing to do at the moment, don't think we will get through to Avid this way. Better let Slau bring it to their attention. On the other hand I don't think Avid is taking us very seriously to be honest…. When came 8.04 out, two years ago? I ain't upgrading to 10 just yet either. 9 is fully Lion compatible right? How about Mountain Lion? Just my humble opinion. cheers, Ronald Op 5 jun. 2012, om 16:33 heeft Christopher-Mark Gilland het volgende geschreven: I second your thoughts here. I think before I completely say nothing's being done, it doesn't seem to appear that way, I'll gladly admit, but who knows. I'm not an Avid engineer. O? K, you'd think they would have tested this more thoroughly in our defense, but... Yeah, I think you get the point. I so would like to hear Slau's opinion on the new 10.2's accessibility, and moving forward what we're hoping to do to get to the bottom of this. I did speak to Christopher Geissler over at Sweetwater, and he was very prompt at getting right on things. He got a few e-mails shot off to some of the real high up guys in Avid, apparently, plus, he said there is a guy who works at Avid who's in the SW building about 3 days every week, so he said he'd sit down today over lunch with the guy and discuss my situation, and see what could be done. In Mr. Geissler's defense, I think he's doing an absolutely fabulous job at taking ownership of this case to the best of his ability. Chris. - Original Message - From: Vincenzo Rubano To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:53 AM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi all, ok, this is just an idea, maybe we should consider all advices/opinions/ideas before start this important petition… I would be really interested in Slau's opinion, because we can consider him as the most experienced person in having relationships with Avid; I read his opinion about accessibility development in pt some weeks ago and I agreed enough…But what about this new situation? If things are really as they seems to be (I trust everyone, but I think I am the least-experienced pt user and I cannot give good advices about this problem) this is really a nightmare for every blind protools user… On the other hand, however, I have to say that 2 or 3 days ago Chuck talked about some midi-features that he uses with protools…So is this a new pt-feature became accessible in PT 10? Or what else? Or did I misunderstand everything? Let's consider much more ideas first, after that we could decide how to create the petition (I already have an idea! ;)). This is just my advice, I hope it was clear and understandable and, most of all, I hope this message isn't offensive to anyone; if it is I hope you can excuse me…My English isn't so good and sometimes I am not able to say what I really would like to! Vincenzo. Il giorno 05/giu/2012, alle ore 15:07, Christopher-Mark Gilland ha scritto: How do we even make an online patition? I'd not know where to start. Chris. - Original Message - From: CHUCK REICHEL To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! I'll sign it! :) The squeaky wheel gets the grease! ;) BTW I'm on PT version 9.3 with Snow leopard and staying there until the smoke clears! CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com In GOD I Trust On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I totally agree! Slau? What is your advice seeing you are working very heavily, apparently with them on accessibility issues. Oh, and thank you for that by the way. NO seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I really genuinely mean it. I'd be happy to start the petition, but where then do I take it when we get enough sigs? BTW, would you also believe I can't even go back to mp9. I forfitted my M-Powered 9 ilok license when I got pt 10. Avid refuse to help when I called them. All they gave me was get another ILok, and get another mp9 license which we can sell you. I wanted to say every word in the english book to them at that point plus spit in their face! How dare! they say that to me, after all the effort I put forth to get PT in the first place. I don't think my church would be very happy at all seeing they're the ones who paid for both my macbook
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Hi Nick, I agree! Bring up the VoiceOver accessibility in a professional manor everywhere opportunity presents it self. One of my Avid contacts calls it the Dripping Tap Theory Anybody know who is the Avid CEO? Talk soon CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com In GOD I Trust On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote: Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings. I am also able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are having these accessibility issues. I really think we should write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even more. If they are doing any demos of products near where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person what issues we have they will probably will understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed. As voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this point. Nick Gawronski On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What! on earth! If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then Im gowen back to Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous! Chris.
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Hi, If you do a domain whois look up on avid.com at any domain registrar that might be able to give you some useful information and I would suggest you call them or the different people listted in all of the different contacts for the domain record as the more people that make calls and emails about this the more they are going to listen to us. Also I think people should be aware that unless you are aware of where people can go to fix or learn more about making software accessible not a lot will be done and on apple's web site they have accessibility information which should help developers and as well microsoft has this same information as I think that all versions of pro tools should be accessible as we should be able to use any version we choose like the sited do not just one version. Nick Gawronski On 6/5/2012 1:42 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote: Hi Nick, I agree! Bring up the VoiceOver accessibility in a professional manor everywhere opportunity presents it self. One of my Avid contacts calls it the Dripping Tap Theory Anybody know who is the Avid CEO? Talk soon CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com http://www.SoundPictureRecording.com/ In GOD I Trust On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote: Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings. I am also able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are having these accessibility issues. I really think we should write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even more. If they are doing any demos of products near where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person what issues we have they will probably will understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed. As voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this point. Nick Gawronski On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com mailto:reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window
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Hi Nick, It would be interesting to know if You are using SnowLeopard, or, Lion and if Lion, which version. Thanks. Keith Reedy Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift from Bibles For The Blind. http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him. J Hudson Taylor. On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote: Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings. I am also able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are having these accessibility issues. I really think we should write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even more. If they are doing any demos of products near where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person what issues we have they will probably will understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed. As voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this point. Nick Gawronski On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What! on earth! If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then Im gowen back to Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous! Chris.
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Hi, I am using lion 10.7.4 as I always keep my system updated as I have found that if you ever need to call support for any program they want to know what version you are using. I don't think having software updates disabled is a good idea as security updates are released and I set it to check for updates daily. I am also wondering if any other avid products have any accessibility in them anyone know? Nick Gawronski On 6/5/2012 2:56 PM, Keith Reedy wrote: Hi Nick, It would be interesting to know if You are using SnowLeopard, or, Lion and if Lion, which version. Thanks. Keith Reedy Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift from Bibles For The Blind. http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him. J Hudson Taylor. On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote: Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings. I am also able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are having these accessibility issues. I really think we should write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even more. If they are doing any demos of products near where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person what issues we have they will probably will understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed. As voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this point. Nick Gawronski On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reevesreeves...@gmail.com To:ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What! on earth! If this is how pt's gonna
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OK NIck, but are you on 10.2, or are you on just 10.0? I don't think things really completely broke until 10.2. Chris. - Original Message - From: Nick Gawronski n...@nickgawronski.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:17 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings. I am also able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are having these accessibility issues. I really think we should write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even more. If they are doing any demos of products near where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person what issues we have they will probably will understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed. As voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this point. Nick Gawronski On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What! on earth! If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then Im gowen back to Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous! Chris.
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See, that's the other thing. You mention about Mountain Lion. That's to be released this Summer hopefully. I have heard nothing about PT compatibility with it. I dono... Actually, I finally heard back from Sweetwater, and they are now even telling me after doing much research, there is nothing that they can do either. We're kind of at the mercy of Avid. Well, Avid says they won't do anything, so... I guess I'm just F***ed. Chris. - Original Message - From: Ronald van Rhijn To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi Chris and others, First of all let me say I am happy for you Sweetwater is doing it's best for your problem. then the Pro Tools 10 plugin troubles, this is quite a bummer, haven't read anything about this before either. Very bad, instead of expanding accessibility it has become less. Wrong way for sure. Avid had to be aware of this, but was probably the only option for them. Of course this is still very bad for us. A petition doesn't seem to be the best thing to do at the moment, don't think we will get through to Avid this way. Better let Slau bring it to their attention. On the other hand I don't think Avid is taking us very seriously to be honest…. When came 8.04 out, two years ago? I ain't upgrading to 10 just yet either. 9 is fully Lion compatible right? How about Mountain Lion? Just my humble opinion. cheers, Ronald Op 5 jun. 2012, om 16:33 heeft Christopher-Mark Gilland het volgende geschreven: I second your thoughts here. I think before I completely say nothing's being done, it doesn't seem to appear that way, I'll gladly admit, but who knows. I'm not an Avid engineer. O? K, you'd think they would have tested this more thoroughly in our defense, but... Yeah, I think you get the point. I so would like to hear Slau's opinion on the new 10.2's accessibility, and moving forward what we're hoping to do to get to the bottom of this. I did speak to Christopher Geissler over at Sweetwater, and he was very prompt at getting right on things. He got a few e-mails shot off to some of the real high up guys in Avid, apparently, plus, he said there is a guy who works at Avid who's in the SW building about 3 days every week, so he said he'd sit down today over lunch with the guy and discuss my situation, and see what could be done. In Mr. Geissler's defense, I think he's doing an absolutely fabulous job at taking ownership of this case to the best of his ability. Chris. - Original Message - From: Vincenzo Rubano To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:53 AM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi all, ok, this is just an idea, maybe we should consider all advices/opinions/ideas before start this important petition… I would be really interested in Slau's opinion, because we can consider him as the most experienced person in having relationships with Avid; I read his opinion about accessibility development in pt some weeks ago and I agreed enough…But what about this new situation? If things are really as they seems to be (I trust everyone, but I think I am the least-experienced pt user and I cannot give good advices about this problem) this is really a nightmare for every blind protools user… On the other hand, however, I have to say that 2 or 3 days ago Chuck talked about some midi-features that he uses with protools…So is this a new pt-feature became accessible in PT 10? Or what else? Or did I misunderstand everything? Let's consider much more ideas first, after that we could decide how to create the petition (I already have an idea! ;)). This is just my advice, I hope it was clear and understandable and, most of all, I hope this message isn't offensive to anyone; if it is I hope you can excuse me…My English isn't so good and sometimes I am not able to say what I really would like to! Vincenzo. Il giorno 05/giu/2012, alle ore 15:07, Christopher-Mark Gilland ha scritto: How do we even make an online patition? I'd not know where to start. Chris. - Original Message - From: CHUCK REICHEL To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! I'll sign it! :) The squeaky wheel gets the grease! ;) BTW I'm on PT version 9.3 with Snow leopard and staying there until the smoke clears! CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com In GOD I Trust On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I totally agree! Slau? What
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Apparently Mr. Geissler from SW talked with the c e o, about my issue, and was told that there was nothing that could be done, and basically got the cold shoulder of Mister Gilland needs to just live and learn, and eat it. I don't get why Avid's becoming this way. Just because I'm not Steven Curtis Chapman, or Amy Grant, or say, Paul McArtney makes me less of a big guy, thus I get less help? That's real ingenious? Chris. - Original Message - From: CHUCK REICHEL To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:42 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Hi Nick, I agree! Bring up the VoiceOver accessibility in a professional manor everywhere opportunity presents it self. One of my Avid contacts calls it the Dripping Tap Theory Anybody know who is the Avid CEO? Talk soon CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com In GOD I Trust On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote: Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings. I am also able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are having these accessibility issues. I really think we should write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even more. If they are doing any demos of products near where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person what issues we have they will probably will understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed. As voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this point. Nick Gawronski On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually
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Thanks Nick. Keith Reedy Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift from Bibles For The Blind. http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him. J Hudson Taylor. On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote: Hi, I am using lion 10.7.4 as I always keep my system updated as I have found that if you ever need to call support for any program they want to know what version you are using. I don't think having software updates disabled is a good idea as security updates are released and I set it to check for updates daily. I am also wondering if any other avid products have any accessibility in them anyone know? Nick Gawronski On 6/5/2012 2:56 PM, Keith Reedy wrote: Hi Nick, It would be interesting to know if You are using SnowLeopard, or, Lion and if Lion, which version. Thanks. Keith Reedy Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift from Bibles For The Blind. http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him. J Hudson Taylor. On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote: Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings. I am also able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are having these accessibility issues. I really think we should write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even more. If they are doing any demos of products near where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person what issues we have they will probably will understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed. As voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this point. Nick Gawronski On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reevesreeves...@gmail.com To:ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce
I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What! on earth! If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then Im gowen back to Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous! Chris.
Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What! on earth! If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then Im gowen back to Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous! Chris.
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I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What! on earth! If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then Im gowen back to Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous! Chris.
Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
Kevin, What plugins did you have issues with in 10? I just down graded back to 10.0, and I'm actually finding that the 3/7 band e q works, the shift m r and s are a bit herky jerky, but 95 percent the time work now, the air reverb and nonlenier reverb works, the compressor dyn3 works, having tried xpand2 yet. Ifg that breaks it'll be a deal breaker. Auto-Tune works too. So yeah, Im happy unless I find osmething else broken. For now, it's ok though. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What! on earth! If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then Im gowen back to Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous! Chris.
Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
Not sure. I don't know what there policy is regarding that. Kevin On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What! on earth! If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then Im gowen back to Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous! Chris.
Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
Again, what plugins specifically did you have issues with? PT 10.2 is a mess, but 10.0 seems at least to be working for the most part, for what it's worth. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 10:35 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! Not sure. I don't know what there policy is regarding that. Kevin On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I am on the 3 easy payments. I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2? Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m powered. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly! The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely stupid, or something... I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is the full PT 10.2 standard. I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying something about plugin package A A something or another native. The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead. What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something fierce! Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session. I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that. Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no good. I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help. I'm on 10.7.4 Lion. What! on earth! If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then Im gowen back to Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous! Chris.
