Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Derek Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Hi Roy, Rowing again No not really. If I remember correctly, you asked me for a copy to try on your Q40, when you came back, and said that it did not work, I said, when get a Q60 it is better than the Q40. As you see we were there to sell the Q60. But that is just not good enough. There have been many occasions where users have reported things to me that crashed on their system and worked on mine but I always made the effort to try to find out why. This is called support. If you patch a version of SMSQ/E and distribute it will get out to other systems because we are all in communication (mostly) and other people will try it out on other machines and then..chaos. OK, I do understand the word support, it is a pity no one supported me. I have never patched any version of SMSQ/E, as if this is required, then the software writer has not done his job correctly, in producing a bug free piece of software. But this is the whole problem that Tony and I struggled with on the Q40. Things would work on one machine and then not on another. As far as we could see they were identical but what then was the problem ? Peter Graf said that all his designs and machines were perfect and needed no changes (well he implied that by the amount of effort he put into trying to solve the problems and the amount attention he paid to us). You cannot say to the thirty or so people who bought the Q40 that they must buy a new machine if they want it to work. I spent a lot of time testing versions of SMSQ/E from TT and trying to get the bugs fixed. This is the responsibility of the reseller. This is what we charge a bit extra for. D&D now have the Qxx mantle and you have to have some responsibility with it. Yes I agree, also add in Q40 SMSQ/E v2.92 to v2.98 which did not work correctly on the Q40 you sold me. I used the Q40 for BBS and until the details of the patch appeared in Quanta Volume 18 Issue 7 August 2001, the system did not work correctly. Phil Borman's BBS used to not send the mail to my BBS with the Pbox mailer due to the bug introduced, which the patch or bug fix correctly. If Mr Tebby had done job right then the code would not be patched. Patches are for the user to apply and not the person who does the selling. Patches change the code and are, therefore, an infringement of the copyright and the licence. I have supplied a couple of copies of SMSQ/E with added modules but they were always on separate media to the original software which was distributed as supplied. I have also refused updates which I feel are not stable or do not work on my systems. I would not distribute v2.99 of SMSQ/E for the Gold Card without supplying v2.91 which was, in my opinion, the last one to handle the DD drives correctly If there is a bug you have to try get it fixed. That is why we are conduit between the end user and the programmer. I admit with TT effectively out of the running recently this is a problem but Wolfgang is the person who could incorporate the 'patch' into the distribution not D&D. -- Roy Wood Q Branch, 20 Locks Hill Portslade. Sussex. BN41 2LB. UK Tel : +44 (0)1273 386030 Fax : +44 (0)1273 430501 (New number!) Mobile +44(0)7836 745501 Web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
Re: [ql-users] Forthcoming Shows
??? 9/11/2002 6:00:47 ??, ?/? Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: >That sounds like a _very_ good reason for having it. They have all been >at Reggio Emilia (bar one). >How about we work on Davide. I know he would like to have one, but, as >I say, he was very put off by the attendance last time, and very >apologetic to us. It is easy and pretty cheap to fly to Milan for us >British. It is from Greece as well... and there are always good prices through EasyJet. Maybe I can get the sleeper Greek QLers to attend.. .(several of them DO read this list as I found out recently). We may not be a lot, but we will make noise for a lot of people :-) I may even convince Darren to finally come over to Greece for a little while (fell through last year :-( A pity cause I really struggled to make my Irish Hellos to sound convincing ;-) >>H Calzone :-) hehehehehe >No not them. Standard open ones, but with a vast amount on top, and >very very large. Hmmm I got to take you to a couple of places in Greece for Pizza as well... my favourite is in Athens and has a pizza with the fitting name "4x4" (It is a real MOUNTAIN to eat...) Rough terrain even for me >I have been to the 'Red Lion' (what a bad name - sounds like a British >pub) twice with Stuart on bicycles, and once with Roy by car. A useless piece of trivia here... the very first pub (like in English style REAL pub) in Greece was practically under my house and its name was... guess what... "Red Lion " :-) > >On one of the cycle rides we asked a a local Italian for directions, and >he turned out to have been chauffeur to Lord Carrington for years in >England (8-)# These Italians are crazy and they're worse than Greeks I tell you (I know I am married to one, my cousin was married to one -With the same name and from the same place by a strange twist of fate- And my uncle studied there... I can't escape them :-) ) ... You lift a rock, chances are you'll find an Italian or Irish (They outnumber them 2:1 I am s ure) (Well on the 2nd rock however you will find a Greek probably selling that damn rock too ;-) (Now of course that was a joke.. .well sort of ;-) hee-hee) Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] Ooo! What's happened
On 09/11/02 at 14:26 Phoebus Dokos wrote: >hehe Nasta, you cannot deny however that in reality we're all still boys with >expensive toys :-) (And crazy hobbies... I bet most of our wives agree on that) The key to it is not to have a wife ;-) A friend of mine used to say that you have a counter argument if she has her own set of toys. Then he got married and had all the proof it wasn't so :-) >P.S. I will be sending you that thing pretty soon.. .Are the QubIDEs ready >by any chance? (One stone, two birds with this mail) Not yet - but I will make the effort. Let me eek the most efficiency out of my one stone too: The Aurora can only be used un a US TV with component input. The composite output on the Aurora is somposite monoshrome, not color - as you can see the PAL/NTSC modulator chip is not on it. It is however possible to get an external modulator, but since Aurora is 50Hz and not 60Hz like US TVs, it's anyone's guess as to how the TV will interpret this. A way around the problem may be an external scan conversion box, VGA to TV. If you need one, I have it and can send it to you. This should be able to convert Aurora output set to VGA into something viewable on a US TV set. Metadriver and associated concept answers I will have to leave for some other time - busy week end. Would appreciate a phone call if you have the time (hopefully shorter this time :-) ) as I can keep working while we are talking. N.
Re: [ql-users] Ooo! What's happened
On 09/11/02 at 21:46 Derek Stewart wrote: >> The forst thing that popped in my mind after I read this was... ^^^ >Is this anything to do with the Forst that Bob Weeks described on the >INTL.QL on the Fidonet I think it was a drink induced image... Well, it has more to do with the o key being next to the i key. It's not like there are no typing errors in your emails :-) If it's very late, I will on occasion miss the column completely and sign with Msdys instead of Nasta, so as you can see, it could be worse. Or was that wirse? N. (not risking it)
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar for 2003
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 at 23:42:49, Marcel Kilgus wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > >Tony Firshman wrote: >>>ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp/QLs_and_Zwiebeltuete-3-s.jpg >> he he - who is that? > >He's a German hacker known within the scene as "Endergone Zwiebeltüte" >which translates into "endergonic onion bag". No, the German version >doesn't make much sense either ;-) I know the translation - 'Wally absorbing energy' (8-)# >I gather he's an expert when it comes to "smart cards" and related >things (cryptography, electronic money). No real QL activity is known >;-) Phew - that is a relief (8-)# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Forthcoming Shows
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 at 14:19:22, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: ) > >??? 9/11/2002 1:53:40 ??, ?/? Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >??: >>Davide - if you are 'listening', don't be put off by last time. >>If you organise another one say next June, I would certainly come if I >>can. I need another 'Red Lion' pizza (8-)# (That town halfway between >>Reggio and Parma, that Sturat and I found by accident by bicycle. > >hmm June you said? Now that's interesting as you know I am always in >Greece at that time and heck it's only 6 hours by boat (My wife would >kill to go >back to her country of origin "even" for a QL show :-)... I may even bring my >old Beetle (now at my cousin's posession) complete with in-dash QL ;-) (That's >where my very first QL ended up... doesn't do anything fancy, just a database >of places and keeps gas mileage etc) That sounds like a _very_ good reason for having it. They have all been at Reggio Emilia (bar one). How about we work on Davide. I know he would like to have one, but, as I say, he was very put off by the attendance last time, and very apologetic to us. It is easy and pretty cheap to fly to Milan for us British. > >> but truly giant and well covered pizzas later. >> > >H Calzone :-) hehehehehe No not them. Standard open ones, but with a vast amount on top, and very very large. I have been to the 'Red Lion' (what a bad name - sounds like a British pub) twice with Stuart on bicycles, and once with Roy by car. On one of the cycle rides we asked a a local Italian for directions, and he turned out to have been chauffeur to Lord Carrington for years in England (8-)# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] QL Service Manual in HTML Format
Tony Must be the monitors then, ours are Sony Trinatrons, I can read the text without zooming, just doing as I stated Regards Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.macnamaras.com - Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Service Manual in HTML Format > > On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 at 14:28:20, Mike MacNamara wrote: > (ref: <008001c287fc$43e11cd0$0100a8c0@macnamarf6d1fc>) > > > > >Try using ~IE double left click on image(brings up Gif, much > >larger, if you still can't see it) then right click on that and > >click show photo, when cursor is at one edge of screen a button > >appears, click on it. My eyesight is not good, but I can read > >all clearly, even the wiring tracks. > > > >I need a 24" monitor, to see comfortably > I assume you mean the circuit manual gifs - that is what I am on about. > > I did better than that - I downloaded the complete web page, and opened > the gif files in about four different file viewers. > In all cases exactly the same - yes lines are there and viewable and > not too bad small, but not useable. Zoom in though and it is very fuzzy > and out of focus. Certainly no text can be read. > > and of course it will be like that - 100k is nothing like enough to > get the required sort of detail. > > They are nice to look at, but can't be used for anything. > > -- > QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 > tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk >Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 > TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG > >
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar for 2003
Tony Firshman wrote: >>ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp/QLs_and_Zwiebeltuete-3-s.jpg > he he - who is that? He's a German hacker known within the scene as "Endergone Zwiebeltüte" which translates into "endergonic onion bag". No, the German version doesn't make much sense either ;-) I gather he's an expert when it comes to "smart cards" and related things (cryptography, electronic money). No real QL activity is known ;-) Marcel
Re: [ql-users] QL Service Manual in HTML Format
You can compare with the original one. ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/technical-docs/QLServiceManual.pd f Javier Guerra Sinclair QL Spanish Resources http://badared.com/QL - Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman"
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
Hi Roy, Rowing again On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:31:37 + Roy Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In message <00a401c287fe$d067c620$4f6887d9@asusone>, dndsystems1 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >> D&D, according to their adverts, are selling a patched version. > >> > >> This is precisely what Wolfgang is striving to avoid. > > > >You're not still on about that are you, I can't belive it. Look at it > >like this there are 2 versions of 2.98, the first was flawed, the > >second was fixed. The second version makes the Q60 behave like other > >platforms _adding_ to uniformity across platforms. The first version > >makes the Q60 behave like nothing else because it is wrong. > You seem to deliberately want to misunderstand the concepts here. Your > 'patched version' made my Q40 crash. It was, therefore, not fully > correct either. Had you taken the trouble to become resellers and had > you wanted to you could have submitted the patched code to Wolfgang and > had it tested and incorporated into the system. You did none of these > things and you made no attempt to find out why it crashed my Q 40 at > Hove. 'It works on the machine I am selling so that is all I need to > know' is not good enough if you are to lay any claim to be part of the > system. If I remember correctly, you asked me for a copy to try on your Q40, when you came back, and said that it did not work, I said, when get a Q60 it is better than the Q40. As you see we were there to sell the Q60. > There have been many occasions where users have reported things > to me that crashed on their system and worked on mine but I always made > the effort to try to find out why. This is called support. If you patch > a version of SMSQ/E and distribute it will get out to other systems > because we are all in communication (mostly) and other people will try > it out on other machines and then..chaos. OK, I do understand the word support, it is a pity no one supported me. I have never patched any version of SMSQ/E, as if this is required, then the software writer has not done his job correctly, in producing a bug free piece of software. > You could be saying there has to be a version of SMSQ/E specially for the Q60. If >so you must > discuss this with Wolfgang. This is inprogress I can not really see any way of exploiting a the native machines potential. This is a real sticking here and probably why there are no good applications programs for the SMSQ/E system now. OK, one is comming and I will buy it. > No version of SMSQ/E for any platform other than QPC2 was created for > release at a workshop. TT would never be left alone long enough to do > it. There have been tweaks done at workshops but these were not > distributed to the general public. OK, seems like a first, or is that a Bob Weeks/Nasta FORST > The situation with the early Aurora was indeed chaotic I agree and I > want to avoid a repetition of it. It is possible, therefore, that you > ads mislead us when you said 'it has been corrected' Yes I agree, also add in Q40 SMSQ/E v2.92 to v2.98 which did not work correctly on the Q40 you sold me. I used the Q40 for BBS and until the details of the patch appeared in Quanta Volume 18 Issue 7 August 2001, the system did not work correctly. Phil Borman's BBS used to not send the mail to my BBS with the Pbox mailer due to the bug introduced, which the patch or bug fix correctly. If Mr Tebby had done job right then the code would not be patched. But since I could not get an eprom version it stayed on the shelf and the BBS moved back the Supergold card and it is now on QPC. Can we get on with programming the systems. Get all this interenet access sorted, I do not want to use Linux or Windows. Derek
Re: [ql-users] Ooo! What's happened
> Oh, please - everyone has been waiting for this issue to be resolved. Now > that he has sent you an email, I sincerely hope it will, and OFF LIST. The > forst thing that popped in my mind after I read this was 'how old are you'? ^^^ Is this anything to do with the Forst that Bob Weeks described on the INTL.QL on the Fidonet I think it was a drink induced image... Derek
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Derek Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I am comming to the London Show with a Q60, I hiope things can be sensible. For my part, as I told Derek privately, my emails may seem a trifle 'spirited' but there is no personal malice involved. All I want is that we get it right. With regard to the payment thing I think that we each should bear responsibility for our own sales. That said I think that an SMSQ/E Citibank account would be a good idea. We could all pay in, email the remittance advice to Wolfgang and let him pass it on to Tony. Credit Card collection is not expensive in terms of the percentage taken but all Merchant Services now insist on a terminal which you have to rent. This would be more than the account would generate given that I have, as predicted, sold one copy of SMSQ/E since the new licence fee came into place. I believe that Jochen's sales, apart from QPC2 are similar, and D&D would seem to have sold very few too. -- Roy Wood Q Branch, 20 Locks Hill Portslade. Sussex. BN41 2LB. UK Tel : +44 (0)1273 386030 Fax : +44 (0)1273 430501 (New number!) Mobile +44(0)7836 745501 Web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
In message <00a401c287fe$d067c620$4f6887d9@asusone>, dndsystems1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes D&D, according to their adverts, are selling a patched version. This is precisely what Wolfgang is striving to avoid. You're not still on about that are you, I can't belive it. Look at it like this there are 2 versions of 2.98, the first was flawed, the second was fixed. The second version makes the Q60 behave like other platforms _adding_ to uniformity across platforms. The first version makes the Q60 behave like nothing else because it is wrong. You seem to deliberately want to misunderstand the concepts here. Your 'patched version' made my Q40 crash. It was, therefore, not fully correct either. Had you taken the trouble to become resellers and had you wanted to you could have submitted the patched code to Wolfgang and had it tested and incorporated into the system. You did none of these things and you made no attempt to find out why it crashed my Q 40 at Hove. 'It works on the machine I am selling so that is all I need to know' is not good enough if you are to lay any claim to be part of the system. There have been many occasions where users have reported things to me that crashed on their system and worked on mine but I always made the effort to try to find out why. This is called support. If you patch a version of SMSQ/E and distribute it will get out to other systems because we are all in communication (mostly) and other people will try it out on other machines and then..chaos. You could be saying there has to be a version of SMSQ/E specially for the Q60. If so you must discuss this with Wolfgang. As you well know there has been more than 1 version of SMSQ/E with the same version number on a number of occasions. You will have seen new versions created at workshops for some reason but the version number was not incremented, these were probably bug fixes. No version of SMSQ/E for any platform other than QPC2 was created for release at a workshop. TT would never be left alone long enough to do it. There have been tweaks done at workshops but these were not distributed to the general public. You have supplied different versions of SMSQ/E with the same v. number to customers. I know this from the QL subgroup we used to run, I had the same version of SMSQ/E on my Aurora from Jochen yet when I installed your supplied SMSQ/E on another Aurora owned by one of the group it would not work correctly, not until 2? months had passed and you sent him a repaired/altered/patched version which I installed and hey presto it worked. The only time SMSQ/E versions did not change with the program was with the QXL and that was a problem TT had with that platform and that platform alone. I find this hard to believe. Maybe the one I got from Jochen at the show was corrupt somehow but I cannot recall this at all. All the same version number. This has always happened in our group. I took my master SMSQ/E disk to Jochen years ago with a problem after a recent update and he said "Yes there is a fix", took the disk overwrote it and gave it me back. I asked "Is that a new version then?" he said "No, it has the same version number". I asked "How many different versions of the same number are there". He smiled and replied "Two". It has always been this way. It is perfectly acceptable, this is what happens when something is under development. Did they have an 'a' after the number perchance. Look at it another way. I travel hundreds of miles to see Jochen at a workshop - in the above example - he says "Yes, there is a fix" and waves a disc at me. "But", he says "You cannot have it, you must wait for a couple of months because that is when the next version will be compiled and released." I say "You're £$%$%^&&* joking, I'm standing in front of you, a fully paid up owner of SMSQ/E and you've got what I need now but your asking me to wait 2 months, $%^&£)( hell fire". "I've travelled a long way for this could I not sway your opinion?" This is rubbish because Jochen compiles the code himself. If there is a fix for a problem and Jochen has it will have been compiled onto a disk and be ready for a show. He may, of course be waiting for someone to test it.. Hope you enjoyed that. The point is in the above situation it is bad customer practice, too rigid and generally not nice, although officially correct. SMSQ/E was patched all over the place to get it working the Aurora then eventually well sorted versions would appear, no great fuss. It's just progress during development. The situation with the early Aurora was indeed chaotic I agree and I want to avoid a repetition of it. It is possible, therefore, that you ads mislead us when you said 'it has been corrected' -- Roy Wood Q Branch, 20 Locks Hill Portslade. Sussex. BN41 2LB. UK Tel : +44 (0)1273 386030 Fax : +44 (0)1273 430501 (New number!) Mobile +44(0)7836 745501 Web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
Re: [ql-users] Ooo! What's happened
??? 9/11/2002 2:05:46 ??, ?/? "ZN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: > >On 09/11/02 at 15:20 dndsystems1 wrote: > >>QUICK! QUICK! WOLFYS SENT ME AN EMAIL. >>Dennis - D&D Systems > >Oh, please - everyone has been waiting for this issue to be resolved. Now >that he has sent you an email, I sincerely hope it will, and OFF LIST. The >forst thing that popped in my mind after I read this was 'how old are you'? >I'm sure, not a way you'd like to be thought about. > hehe Nasta, you cannot deny however that in reality we're all still boys with expensive toys :-) (And crazy hobbies... I bet most of our wives agree on that) Phoebus P.S. I will be sending you that thing pretty soon.. .Are the QubIDEs ready by any chance? (One stone, two birds with this mail)
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
??? 9/11/2002 2:44:20 ??, ?/? Derek Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: > >On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 13:15:30 -0500 >Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> ??? 9/11/2002 1:42:33 ??, ?/? Derek Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: >> >> > >> >Hi, >> > >> >I am comming to the London Show with a Q60, I hiope things can be sensible. >> > >> >I just wish I could receive 90-100 emails about program development on SMSQ/E, >> as there is really a lag in the quality development. >> > >> >> >> Well here's one ... >> >> >> Q-Word will support the following features on the Qx0: >> >> 1. Digital Sound >> 2. High Colour Graphics >> 3. Multi-colour Bitmap Founts :-) >> >> How's that? >> >> Do you want a screenshot too? >> >> Phoebus >> > >Hi Phoebus, > >Sounds great, tell me when you are going to market the program as I will certainly buy a copy from you. The program will be released by RWAP (Rich is the driving force behind its development with valuable input by Geoff Wicks... I am just doing the graphics and sound ;-) Hopefully it will be out on time for Santa Qlaus to pick it up and deliver it ;-) >Or if you like I can Beta test it on the Q60, QPC, Atari-QL etc ... as I have all the set of SMSQ/E favours. Thanks very much for the offer, however all inquiries regarding beta test etc. should be addressed to Rich. I do have here a QXL II (soon with GD2), Aurora (hopefully with fixed SGC) and Q40 (in a couple of days) and QPC. The Q60 should be a plus though... The graphics aspect would be greatly helped on Qx0 and QPC due to the specialised FPU routines as well... so there's something to think about :-) The program has planned support for Thor XVI (Thanks to Simon Goodwin) and Amiga QDOS (thanks to Simon Goodwin... this guy is EVERYWHERE) Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] Forthcoming Shows
??? 9/11/2002 1:53:40 ??, ?/? Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: >Davide - if you are 'listening', don't be put off by last time. >If you organise another one say next June, I would certainly come if I >can. I need another 'Red Lion' pizza (8-)# (That town halfway between >Reggio and Parma, that Sturat and I found by accident by bicycle. hmm June you said? Now that's interesting as you know I am always in Greece at that time and heck it's only 6 hours by boat (My wife would kill to go back to her country of origin "even" for a QL show :-)... I may even bring my old Beetle (now at my cousin's posession) complete with in-dash QL ;-) (That's where my very first QL ended up... doesn't do anything fancy, just a database of places and keeps gas mileage etc) >I will not forget my starter. Stuart had a very nice roasted veg plate. >I had 'patate frite'. I should have guessed - chips <---That's how you Brits call them The rest of the world calls them (with the exception of Americans who call them "French" fries God knows why as there aren't any "Austrian" or "Belgian" fries as far as I know, call them Fried Potatoes (French included: Pommes de terre frites :-) (8-(# > but truly giant and well covered pizzas later. > H Calzone :-) hehehehehe Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] Ooo! What's happened
On 09/11/02 at 15:20 dndsystems1 wrote: >QUICK! QUICK! WOLFYS SENT ME AN EMAIL. >Dennis - D&D Systems Oh, please - everyone has been waiting for this issue to be resolved. Now that he has sent you an email, I sincerely hope it will, and OFF LIST. The forst thing that popped in my mind after I read this was 'how old are you'? I'm sure, not a way you'd like to be thought about. Nasta
Re: [ql-users] Forthcoming Shows
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 at 18:59:00, Andrea Carpi wrote: (ref: ) > >Il 09/11/02 11.07.16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: > >> Are there any plans to hold a QL show in Italy in the near future (anyone)?? > >I'm forwarding this mail in Italian mailing-list. >I hope to have answer. I know Davide was pretty depressed last time at the turnout, especially as quite a few of the well known punter faces were not there. It was a helluva lot better turnout though than the Irish boozeup (8-)# Sorry Darren, but we all enjoyed the Irish show as you know - far from a waste of time. All shows I go to are worthwhile in some way, especially the Italian one. We had a very nice couple of days, and renewed old friendships and pizzas. Davide - if you are 'listening', don't be put off by last time. If you organise another one say next June, I would certainly come if I can. I need another 'Red Lion' pizza (8-)# (That town halfway between Reggio and Parma, that Sturat and I found by accident by bicycle. I will not forget my starter. Stuart had a very nice roasted veg plate. I had 'patate frite'. I should have guessed - chips (8-(# but truly giant and well covered pizzas later. Some very good QL developments can start by idle chat at shows. RomDisq for a start - that was started in Eindhoven by me mentioning the Z88 flash memory card in the earshot of Stuart. We put together a plan on the way home. It was at an Austrian show that I discovered Jonathan Dent was a TCP/IP specialist. superHermes seeds were sown by Lau and I at a show. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
On 9 Nov 2002, at 14:45, dndsystems1 wrote: > > I have called Wolfgang a fool on this list for using the wrong address > while I was waiting for his incomming. :-))) > > Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. How wrong can things go? > > Wolfgang, the above mess is D&Ds fault. Please accept my apology on > behalf of D&D. I will not call you a fool again but can I still call > you WolfGanster - sorry just kidding. Dennis, I've sent you a long private email in reply to the private one you sent me - I told you there, there is no need to apologize in public. Sorry apparently it came too late. Perhaps you can tell me whether you got my private email ? Can we work something out from that? Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 13:15:30 -0500 Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ??? 9/11/2002 1:42:33 ??, ?/? Derek Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: > > > > >Hi, > > > >I am comming to the London Show with a Q60, I hiope things can be sensible. > > > >I just wish I could receive 90-100 emails about program development on SMSQ/E, > as there is really a lag in the quality development. > > > > > Well here's one ... > > > Q-Word will support the following features on the Qx0: > > 1. Digital Sound > 2. High Colour Graphics > 3. Multi-colour Bitmap Founts :-) > > How's that? > > Do you want a screenshot too? > > Phoebus > Hi Phoebus, Sounds great, tell me when you are going to market the program as I will certainly buy a copy from you. Or if you like I can Beta test it on the Q60, QPC, Atari-QL etc ... as I have all the set of SMSQ/E favours. Must what is called supporting the software writers, pity it is not retrospective. Derek
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:32:36 +0100 "Wolfgang Lenerz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9 Nov 2002, at 16:16, Jochen Merz wrote: > > > On the 10 EUR - it will be a big loss for me - Tony mentioned it in his > > email. > > That is not the purpose of the whole exercise, of course. > > > (...) > > > ... so we have to wait for Wolfgangs reply - maybe he can come up with > > a suggestion. > > > I would say the following: > > First of all, let's not kid ourselves, the sums involved will be > peanuts. Sorry if that sounds lofty, but at 10 EUR per new copy > (and then free upgrades from my point of view) ther will not be that > much money changing hands. > > What I'd suggest is some sort of quaterly statement (not payment) > from each reseller. > (Incidentally, I'd (still) tend to believe these statement, so people > could be ripping TT off on that. Let's hope I'm notproven wrong). > > Then when enough money has accumulated, we'll find a way to get > it to me (or TT directly). > > That could be either by bank transfer, or by sending money (long > live the common currency!) with recorded delivery, handing it over > to me directly at a meeting etc... > > I DO suggest that the actual transfer of money will not be that > much of a problem. > > Tha advantage of this system is that the resellers have a few > months to pay the money. > > > Dennis also asked if he couldn't just buy the software from Jochen > and then sell it on. > There is a reason I don't like this scheme (even though I wouldn't > totally oppose it, and that's support. Suppose a customer has > problems with SMSQ/E on the Q40 (heaven forbid). Tne he would > contact you and you would have him contact Jochen etc... > > I'm not sure that this would really be a good thing... > > Wolfgang > - > www.wlenerz.com > If the person who has the problem with the various piece of software or hardware, then surely the first point for solution should be the place where the software or hardware was bought from. Anything else is a little unreasonable. Derek
Re: [ql-users] Ooo! What's happened
On 9 Nov 2002, at 15:20, dndsystems1 wrote: > > QUICK! QUICK! WOLFYS SENT ME AN EMAIL. Sure, in reply to yours. I 'm happy to see it arrived finally! Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
On 9 Nov 2002, at 16:16, Jochen Merz wrote: > On the 10 EUR - it will be a big loss for me - Tony mentioned it in his > email. That is not the purpose of the whole exercise, of course. (...) > ... so we have to wait for Wolfgangs reply - maybe he can come up with > a suggestion. > I would say the following: First of all, let's not kid ourselves, the sums involved will be peanuts. Sorry if that sounds lofty, but at 10 EUR per new copy (and then free upgrades from my point of view) ther will not be that much money changing hands. What I'd suggest is some sort of quaterly statement (not payment) from each reseller. (Incidentally, I'd (still) tend to believe these statement, so people could be ripping TT off on that. Let's hope I'm notproven wrong). Then when enough money has accumulated, we'll find a way to get it to me (or TT directly). That could be either by bank transfer, or by sending money (long live the common currency!) with recorded delivery, handing it over to me directly at a meeting etc... I DO suggest that the actual transfer of money will not be that much of a problem. Tha advantage of this system is that the resellers have a few months to pay the money. Dennis also asked if he couldn't just buy the software from Jochen and then sell it on. There is a reason I don't like this scheme (even though I wouldn't totally oppose it, and that's support. Suppose a customer has problems with SMSQ/E on the Q40 (heaven forbid). Tne he would contact you and you would have him contact Jochen etc... I'm not sure that this would really be a good thing... Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
??? 9/11/2002 1:42:33 ??, ?/? Derek Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: > >Hi, > >I am comming to the London Show with a Q60, I hiope things can be sensible. > >I just wish I could receive 90-100 emails about program development on SMSQ/E, as there is really a lag in the quality development. > Well here's one ... Q-Word will support the following features on the Qx0: 1. Digital Sound 2. High Colour Graphics 3. Multi-colour Bitmap Founts :-) How's that? Do you want a screenshot too? Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] ZX Emulators
Il 09/11/02 3.23.17, "P Witte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: >It will run, but no direct access to hicolor. EasySprite can only be >run QL colour mode But you can load hicolor sprite made with Sprted for Q40 in menu made with EasyMenu. I used this system to create v. 1.40 of my Euroconverter with colored flags, working under QPC. Ciao. Andrea.
Re: [ql-users] Forthcoming Shows
Il 09/11/02 11.07.16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: > Are there any plans to hold a QL show in Italy in the near future (anyone)?? I'm forwarding this mail in Italian mailing-list. I hope to have answer. Ciao. Andrea.
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
Hi, I am comming to the London Show with a Q60, I hiope things can be sensible. I just wish I could receive 90-100 emails about program development on SMSQ/E, as there is really a lag in the quality development. It is all very well having a good operating system, but where are the upto date applications. It is looking like some people only like to talk about doom and gloom, well that is what the Microsoft Windows project was all about. Derek
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar for 2003
In article <2Y1ZB7TQJENI5YVFBYVRQ4286MK74ED.3dcd24ad@quantumcentral>, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >??? 9/11/2002 8:35:25 ??, ?/? Marcel Kilgus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: > >> >>Hi Norman. >>> You'll notice I said 'naked QLs' and not 'naked QLers'. >> >>Good. Because I certainly don't want so see something like that in the >>calender: >> >>ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp/QLs_and_Zwiebeltuete-3-s.jpg > >Please tell me that he's not somebody we know :-) (I distinctively remember that >it's >not me however :-) A good start for an outrageous calendar ... would anyone else 'volunteer' :-) -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] SMSQ/E License
In article <3DCCFDB2.73.6C3BD0@localhost>, Wolfgang Lenerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >On 8 Nov 2002, at 22:21, Malcolm Cadman wrote: > >> >> There seems to be some confusion around SMSQ/E's 'core' and its >> 'flavours'. >> >> It seems to me that Wolfgang has taken on the onerous task of >> maintaining the integrity of SMSQ/E so that it remains consistent and >> coherent, and that all users - irrespective of platform - get access to >> all the 'new' features. > >Yipee yey! >Hooray! >Somebody understand what I'm trying to do. Thanks for the accolade ... I just thought it needed to be stated. If you can get an article together for QL Today I would be happy to look it over and help out. -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar for 2003
In article <000901c287c9$4fdf3680$e180e6c2@oemcomputer>, Jonathan Dent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >From: Malcolm Cadman > >> So ... could we make a calender based on the QL and its Users - not a >> subject on everyone's lips - popular enough to sell to many people ? >> -- >> Malcolm Cadman >> >How about: Everybody takes their QL stands in front of a local famous >landmark >and gets someone to photograph them. We could have QL with Eifeltower, QL >and >the Golden Gates, QL on the Eiger, QL on Britonbeach, QL and Big Ben, QL on >the Snowdon Railway, QL grazing with Irish sheep... there that's 7 months >already >what do you think. I think we could aim for getting the pictures together by >October >2003 (one taken per month would be nice but could be hard to coordinate) >then >publication by December 2003 for 2004. Great idea, Jon ! Something to work on for a 2004 Calendar ... 2003 is obviously too ambitious a target to aim for. -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
In article <00a501c287fe$d1851d00$4f6887d9@asusone>, dndsystems1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >- Original Message - >From: "Malcolm Cadman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:51 PM >Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst? >> >> In article <01d701c286ae$2bf4f320$91f4193e@asusone>, dndsystems1 >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> >> >- Original Message - >> >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:08 AM >> >Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst? >> >> >I know from what you have said that you have used >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >This is a redundant address that I use for reading this list, >nothing >> >else. If anything other than this list tries to come in it is >deleted >> >as spam automatically. If I use another computer to read the list >> >nothing gets deleted and I can see all. This is when I caught >Dilwyn >> >Jones, Tony Tebby, Alex Wells and maybe one or two others using the >> >wrong address. I always try to reply using my correct (different) >> >address hoping they will catch on. >> >> Dennis, >> >> Looking at the header of your above reply on the list it is clear >that >> the address being used is - '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' >> >> ... see below > >> >> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 22:30:00 + >> Message-ID: <01d701c286ae$2bf4f320$91f4193e@asusone> >> From: "dndsystems1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> References: <3DCA1F6D.32579.51B739@localhost> >> Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst? >> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:46:25 - >> >> So this is where the confusion over your email address lays. >> >> If you are saying that you have a 'filter' applied - that rejects >any >> email to this address ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) other than that >from >> '[EMAIL PROTECTED] - then you should make that VERY CLEAR to >> everyone who replies to you. >> >> By the above rules - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - as a sender address would be >> rejected by your filter. >> >> You have now made it clear, below, that - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - is your >> preferred address for contact. >> >> This was obviously not clear to other people before. >> >> >If anyone wants to contact D&D Systems the front door is >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >as in all advertising for over a year. Postal, fax & phone are all >> >included. Look on the web www.q40.de. Where is the hard to contact >> >bit? >> > >> >Nobody has been given the Supanet address above to use. It was used >2 >> >years ago for a different purpose, it has never been public. >> > >> >My Email to Tony Tebby was on 08.10.02 18:44 ? Now what? >> > >> >Dennis - D&D Systems >> >> -- >> Malcolm Cadman > >It gets much worse than that, Malcolm, I was away and Derek told me >what was happening, I phoned him and said "Tell Wolfgang to send to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll sort it later when I get back". Yesterday Derek >told me "Actually I didn't send [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sent 1 (or 2?) of your >private addresses". Oh my God! > >I have been phoning my wife to drag the sales email in and look for >Wolfgang, she reports back to me "No can't see it" my reply "Ok well >check again in a few days when you can". She replies, "Right oh >Captain, your every wish is my command" (actually I think I may have >dreamt the last bit!). I thought "That Wolfy is making my life a >misery, the £$%^ &*()^%, wait until I see him". > >I have called Wolfgang a fool on this list for using the wrong address >while I was waiting for his incomming. :-))) > >Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. How wrong can things go? > >Wolfgang, the above mess is D&Ds fault. Please accept my apology on >behalf of D&D. I will not call you a fool again but can I still call >you WolfGanster - sorry just kidding. > >Tony Firshman was right from the word go. There was something >fundamentally wrong in what we were doing. I just wasn't here all the >time to fix things that I did not know were wrong. Tony, the next time >you give me advice wave your finger at me so I listen more. > >Malcom, its a bit of a mess really, what do think. Funny now though. > >Dennis - D&D Systems Yes, it does seem to have got into a mess. I can understand that you are engrossed in assembling hardware, and things just slipped at bit. All can be resolved by making sensible agreements. Users need good new hardware coming through, which is what Q60 is. We also need our OS to be developed to an even higher quality, which is what Wolfgang is trying to do for SMSQ/E. Good news is that Derek is definitely coming to the London Show with a Q60. So, no doubt those who need to talk will get an opportunity. Take care with the soldering iron not to burn your fingers too often :-) -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
??? 9/11/2002 11:30:47 ??, ?/? Jochen Merz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: I understand... and in any case you are a lot more qualified to answer this :-) (My experience is only between Greece and the US and US and UK -ask Bill Waugh ;-) - for bank transfer and with PayPal for more than one countries...) However and after what you said, it seems that the best solution is to send Euros in cash :-) Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 at 14:45:21, dndsystems1 wrote: (ref: <00a501c287fe$d1851d00$4f6887d9@asusone>) >> >I know from what you have said that you have used >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >This is a redundant address that I use for reading this list, >nothing >> >else. If anything other than this list tries to come in it is >deleted >> >as spam automatically. If I use another computer to read the list >> >nothing gets deleted and I can see all. This is when I caught >Dilwyn >> >Jones, Tony Tebby, Alex Wells and maybe one or two others using the >> >wrong address. I always try to reply using my correct (different) >> >address hoping they will catch on. >> >> Dennis, >> >> Looking at the header of your above reply on the list it is clear >that >> the address being used is - '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' >> >> ... see below > >> > >> >> So this is where the confusion over your email address lays. >> >> If you are saying that you have a 'filter' applied - that rejects >any >> email to this address ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) other than that >from >> '[EMAIL PROTECTED] - then you should make that VERY CLEAR to >> everyone who replies to you. >> >> By the above rules - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - as a sender address would be >> rejected by your filter. >> >> You have now made it clear, below, that - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - is your >> preferred address for contact. >> >> This was obviously not clear to other people before. >> >> >If anyone wants to contact D&D Systems the front door is >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >as in all advertising for over a year. Postal, fax & phone are all >> >included. Look on the web www.q40.de. Where is the hard to contact >> >bit? >> > >> >Nobody has been given the Supanet address above to use. It was used >2 >> >years ago for a different purpose, it has never been public. >> > >> >My Email to Tony Tebby was on 08.10.02 18:44 ? Now what? >> > >> >Dennis - D&D Systems >> >> -- >> Malcolm Cadman > >It gets much worse than that, Malcolm, I was away and Derek told me >what was happening, I phoned him and said "Tell Wolfgang to send to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll sort it later when I get back". Yesterday Derek >told me "Actually I didn't send [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sent 1 (or 2?) of your >private addresses". Oh my God! > >I have been phoning my wife to drag the sales email in and look for >Wolfgang, she reports back to me "No can't see it" my reply "Ok well >check again in a few days when you can". She replies, "Right oh >Captain, your every wish is my command" (actually I think I may have >dreamt the last bit!). I thought "That Wolfy is making my life a >misery, the £$%^ &*()^%, wait until I see him". > >I have called Wolfgang a fool on this list for using the wrong address >while I was waiting for his incomming. :-))) > >Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. How wrong can things go? > >Wolfgang, the above mess is D&Ds fault. Please accept my apology on >behalf of D&D. I will not call you a fool again but can I still call >you WolfGanster - sorry just kidding. > >Tony Firshman was right from the word go. There was something >fundamentally wrong in what we were doing. I just wasn't here all the >time to fix things that I did not know were wrong. Tony, the next time >you give me advice wave your finger at me so I listen more. he he. I told Wolfgang that all along. Did you not look in [EMAIL PROTECTED] - your 'official ql' address. I sent all Wolfgang's mail in a bundle there on 30 October: -- Message-ID: <1X7h5JF2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:09:58 + To: Derek Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dennis Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Disposition-Notification-To: Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: D&D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="=_Turnpike_3Xbh5BF2$6v947AW=" User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U (<++5IPib03shhitBLaT+GcPw+nQ>) Body: Just in case Wolfgang's email gets lost again, here is what he sent. You can see why I am so keen you three get chatting. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] QL Service Manual in HTML Format
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 at 14:28:20, Mike MacNamara wrote: (ref: <008001c287fc$43e11cd0$0100a8c0@macnamarf6d1fc>) > >Try using ~IE double left click on image(brings up Gif, much >larger, if you still can't see it) then right click on that and >click show photo, when cursor is at one edge of screen a button >appears, click on it. My eyesight is not good, but I can read >all clearly, even the wiring tracks. > >I need a 24" monitor, to see comfortably I assume you mean the circuit manual gifs - that is what I am on about. I did better than that - I downloaded the complete web page, and opened the gif files in about four different file viewers. In all cases exactly the same - yes lines are there and viewable and not too bad small, but not useable. Zoom in though and it is very fuzzy and out of focus. Certainly no text can be read. and of course it will be like that - 100k is nothing like enough to get the required sort of detail. They are nice to look at, but can't be used for anything. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
> 1. Direct bank transfer doesn't cost ALL that much if done correctly... ie. There are > services that charge a nominal fee of about 10 Eur for ANY amount you transfer. In > that effect, you can wait until a sum is collected and then send it as a whole. ... that highly depends on the originating country. Ask Roy what sort of trouble he had and what fees he was facing when he tried to send money to me. As I am involved in lots of international payment matters (due to my shareware business) I know all the problems there. It is a nightmare. And as soon as it is between countries of which one is not part of the EURO area, correspondence banks happily take various amounts from the sum to be transferred, so sometimes a lot less money arrives than was originally sent. In addition, if you sell three SMSQ/E in a quarter, then 10 EUR out of 30 is A LOT! > 2. Bank accounts (most notably AmEX and Citi accounts) that are open in the US > offer free deposits/withdrawals form any place in the world. This also depends. Citibank: Free withdrawel - yes, but it is not possible to pay into your account once you're outside the country in which your account is located. Also, Citibank is fine for Germany, USA etc. - but have you ever tried to find a Citibank in France? > This effectively means > that a joint account could be set up under Wolfgang's supervision (main holder) in > which all parties could hold a ATM card. This way, they can deposit anywhere in the > world without fees and this be available immediately. I use the same method to get > and send money to my family in Greece through the Commercial bank of Greece and > CitiBank... Sending money between Citibank accounts is a different matter again - it varies from "free" up to a certain percentage, and is dependent on the account type and country. And - I won't go into detail here - the French banking system and law is totally different from that in the US, UK or Germany. Jochen
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar for 2003
- Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ql-users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar for 2003 > > Hi Norman. > > You'll notice I said 'naked QLs' and not 'naked QLers'. > > Good. Because I certainly don't want so see something like that in the > calender: > > ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp/QLs_and_Zwiebeltuete-3-s.jpg > > ;-) > > Marcel He He, now if thats not a good reason to avoid porn sites what is All the best - Bill >
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 at 13:53:10, dndsystems1 wrote: (ref: <00a401c287fe$d067c620$4f6887d9@asusone>) > > >- Original Message - >From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:25 PM >Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst? > > >> >> On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 at 21:06:28, Dave P wrote: >> (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >> >> > >> > >> > >> >On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Jochen Merz wrote: >> > >> >> maybe I can add a bit of clarification here. >> > >> >Thanks for the clarification. >> > >> >As a member of the public, Wolfgang's approach aside, I can now see >how he >> >arrived there (just wish he gave us a chance to get up to speed too >> >instead of throwing us in at the deep end! ;P) >> > >> >So, D&D are theiving scum. >> >> >If you bought one, contact Wolfgang directly >> >and offer to pay the license fee. Seems fair. >> The money is not the issue really. >> The main point of the license is to ensure there is only one >approved >> version in the field. >> D&D, according to their adverts, are selling a patched version. >> >> This is precisely what Wolfgang is striving to avoid. > >You're not still on about that are you, I can't belive it. Look at it >like this there are 2 versions of 2.98, the first was flawed, the >second was fixed. The second version makes the Q60 behave like other >platforms _adding_ to uniformity across platforms. The first version >makes the Q60 behave like nothing else because it is wrong. What I should have said was _unlicensed_ patched versions, sorry. that would have avoided the loads I have snipped. As Wolfgang has said, there will obviously be changes on individual releases. What the license is trying to do, as far as I see, to make sure that patches do not break program code. As Roy pointed out, even Tony Tebby's patches used to do that. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
??? 9/11/2002 10:16:41 ??, ?/? Jochen Merz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: > >Maybe something else which we should discuss with Wolfgang. >I believe transferring money from the UK (Roy, soon D&D?), the US >(MUCH more expensive for a future reseller coming up soon?) :-) >etc. will cost a fortune, and as I am paying money to Tony on a quartely >base anyway AND accept card payment (which still is the cheapest >international method of payment), I'm sure we can figure out something >together. I've been looking into that and I have a couple of remarks. 1. Direct bank transfer doesn't cost ALL that much if done correctly... ie. There are services that charge a nominal fee of about 10 Eur for ANY amount you transfer. In that effect, you can wait until a sum is collected and then send it as a whole. 2. Bank accounts (most notably AmEX and Citi accounts) that are open in the US offer free deposits/withdrawals form any place in the world. This effectively means that a joint account could be set up under Wolfgang's supervision (main holder) in which all parties could hold a ATM card. This way, they can deposit anywhere in the world without fees and this be available immediately. I use the same method to get and send money to my family in Greece through the Commercial bank of Greece and CitiBank... 3. Indeed a CC based collection system looks best, however it's at a great expense to the "collector" unless he doesn't mind :-) Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
Well, that's the way the license defines it and we all have to agree to that. Marcel, for example, can't do a quick fix at shows and "release" it either - so we're all having to stick to these rules. However, there's a beta-test possibility, isn't there? And think about it - it DOES MAKE SENSE! This quick fix may have other implications and cause trouble - see Roy's emails ... and I have seen so many versions of SMSQ/E for the ATARI which were never released because I found lots of side-effects. It may take a short while longer before something is getting public, but it hopefully helps getting stable versions out. And I'm sure it will only be a short delay, because, as we all see, Wolfgang is very fast and present. Jochen
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar for 2003
??? 9/11/2002 8:35:25 ??, ?/? Marcel Kilgus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: > >Hi Norman. >> You'll notice I said 'naked QLs' and not 'naked QLers'. > >Good. Because I certainly don't want so see something like that in the >calender: > >ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp/QLs_and_Zwiebeltuete-3-s.jpg Please tell me that he's not somebody we know :-) (I distinctively remember that it's not me however :-) Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] Pirates and mad sheep
- Original Message - From: "Wolfgang Lenerz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Pirates and mad sheep > > On 9 Nov 2002, at 2:48, dndsystems1 wrote: > (...) > > Yes I wanted a private corrispondnce with him without outside > > influence. My question: Do you personally see any way to build in more > > flexibility to the licence to accomodate the programmers that do not > > like vatious parts of it. > > Just what exactly did you have in mind here? If I understand this > correctly, there would be some amendment to the licence for a > special few? > > Is that realistic? > > Wolfgang If a little nudge helped make things better, yes. Don't redo the whole licence but if impossible to help, lets forget it. Dennis - D&D Systems
[ql-users] Ooo! What's happened
QUICK! QUICK! WOLFYS SENT ME AN EMAIL. Dennis - D&D Systems
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
Hi Dennis, > Why doesn't that work? Better still, the customer gives D&D the money > to pass on to Jochen, and he just takes it from our credit card. > That's what I want to happen and it frees up more time for me to work > on what I should be doing. How's that? Seems fair. Yes, that's fine if I sell my own products. The difference is: on my own products which I sell to you, I still have some profit after subtracting the costs, card charges etc.although the bundle price is cheaper. On the 10 EUR - it will be a big loss for me - Tony mentioned it in his email. First of all, I get no share from the 10 EUR at all, so it eats up another bit of my time. Worse, I would have to charge you VAT, but pay out 10 EUR to Tony VAT-free (we both have VAT-IDs). This will make me lose 16%. Plus the costs and charges for credit card transactions would be on me too ... so even without counting my time, over 20% bang! gone! I will need to write an invoice, mail it - and that all costs money. I'm not saying I am generally not willing to collect royalty fees, but I can't afford to lose money by doing so. Maybe something else which we should discuss with Wolfgang. I believe transferring money from the UK (Roy, soon D&D?), the US (MUCH more expensive for a future reseller coming up soon?) :-) etc. will cost a fortune, and as I am paying money to Tony on a quartely base anyway AND accept card payment (which still is the cheapest international method of payment), I'm sure we can figure out something together. ... so we have to wait for Wolfgangs reply - maybe he can come up with a suggestion. Jochen
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
- Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst? > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 at 21:06:28, Dave P wrote: > (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > > > > > > > > >On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Jochen Merz wrote: > > > >> maybe I can add a bit of clarification here. > > > >Thanks for the clarification. > > > >As a member of the public, Wolfgang's approach aside, I can now see how he > >arrived there (just wish he gave us a chance to get up to speed too > >instead of throwing us in at the deep end! ;P) > > > >So, D&D are theiving scum. > > >If you bought one, contact Wolfgang directly > >and offer to pay the license fee. Seems fair. > The money is not the issue really. > The main point of the license is to ensure there is only one approved > version in the field. > D&D, according to their adverts, are selling a patched version. > > This is precisely what Wolfgang is striving to avoid. You're not still on about that are you, I can't belive it. Look at it like this there are 2 versions of 2.98, the first was flawed, the second was fixed. The second version makes the Q60 behave like other platforms _adding_ to uniformity across platforms. The first version makes the Q60 behave like nothing else because it is wrong. As you well know there has been more than 1 version of SMSQ/E with the same version number on a number of occasions. You will have seen new versions created at workshops for some reason but the version number was not incremented, these were probably bug fixes. You have supplied different versions of SMSQ/E with the same v. number to customers. I know this from the QL subgroup we used to run, I had the same version of SMSQ/E on my Aurora from Jochen yet when I installed your supplied SMSQ/E on another Aurora owned by one of the group it would not work correctly, not until 2? months had passed and you sent him a repaired/altered/patched version which I installed and hey presto it worked. All the same version number. This has always happened in our group. I took my master SMSQ/E disk to Jochen years ago with a problem after a recent update and he said "Yes there is a fix", took the disk overwrote it and gave it me back. I asked "Is that a new version then?" he said "No, it has the same version number". I asked "How many different versions of the same number are there". He smiled and replied "Two". It has always been this way. It is perfectly acceptable, this is what happens when something is under development. Look at it another way. I travel hundreds of miles to see Jochen at a workshop - in the above example - he says "Yes, there is a fix" and waves a disc at me. "But", he says "You cannot have it, you must wait for a couple of months because that is when the next version will be compiled and released." I say "You're £$%$%^&&* joking, I'm standing in front of you, a fully paid up owner of SMSQ/E and you've got what I need now but your asking me to wait 2 months, $%^&£)( hell fire". "I've travelled a long way for this could I not sway your opinion?" Hope you enjoyed that. The point is in the above situation it is bad customer practice, too rigid and generally not nice, although officially correct. SMSQ/E was patched all over the place to get it working the Aurora then eventually well sorted versions would appear, no great fuss. It's just progress during development. We (D&D) are the ones that have never done this sort of thing (altered SMSQ/E). When we started we received v2.98 SMSQ/E and have never used another version. Absolutely consistant all the way though. TT knows of the version we fist used and guess what, it is still the same. Jochen accepted the licence fees for it, what have D&D done wrong with this original code? We state that we supply v2.98 'patched' to give it an ID. We didn't produce the code, we were given v2.98 'patched' to use when building Q40i/Q60, it is still the one we offer now the chips were blown last year, they are not new. I think I've covered everything concerning 'patched'. That's it. Dennis - D&D Systems
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
- Original Message - From: "Malcolm Cadman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst? > > In article <01d701c286ae$2bf4f320$91f4193e@asusone>, dndsystems1 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > >- Original Message - > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:08 AM > >Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst? > > >I know from what you have said that you have used > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >This is a redundant address that I use for reading this list, nothing > >else. If anything other than this list tries to come in it is deleted > >as spam automatically. If I use another computer to read the list > >nothing gets deleted and I can see all. This is when I caught Dilwyn > >Jones, Tony Tebby, Alex Wells and maybe one or two others using the > >wrong address. I always try to reply using my correct (different) > >address hoping they will catch on. > > Dennis, > > Looking at the header of your above reply on the list it is clear that > the address being used is - '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > ... see below > > > for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 22:30:00 + > Message-ID: <01d701c286ae$2bf4f320$91f4193e@asusone> > From: "dndsystems1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > References: <3DCA1F6D.32579.51B739@localhost> > Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst? > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:46:25 - > > So this is where the confusion over your email address lays. > > If you are saying that you have a 'filter' applied - that rejects any > email to this address ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) other than that from > '[EMAIL PROTECTED] - then you should make that VERY CLEAR to > everyone who replies to you. > > By the above rules - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - as a sender address would be > rejected by your filter. > > You have now made it clear, below, that - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - is your > preferred address for contact. > > This was obviously not clear to other people before. > > >If anyone wants to contact D&D Systems the front door is [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >as in all advertising for over a year. Postal, fax & phone are all > >included. Look on the web www.q40.de. Where is the hard to contact > >bit? > > > >Nobody has been given the Supanet address above to use. It was used 2 > >years ago for a different purpose, it has never been public. > > > >My Email to Tony Tebby was on 08.10.02 18:44 ? Now what? > > > >Dennis - D&D Systems > > -- > Malcolm Cadman It gets much worse than that, Malcolm, I was away and Derek told me what was happening, I phoned him and said "Tell Wolfgang to send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll sort it later when I get back". Yesterday Derek told me "Actually I didn't send [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sent 1 (or 2?) of your private addresses". Oh my God! I have been phoning my wife to drag the sales email in and look for Wolfgang, she reports back to me "No can't see it" my reply "Ok well check again in a few days when you can". She replies, "Right oh Captain, your every wish is my command" (actually I think I may have dreamt the last bit!). I thought "That Wolfy is making my life a misery, the £$%^ &*()^%, wait until I see him". I have called Wolfgang a fool on this list for using the wrong address while I was waiting for his incomming. :-))) Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. How wrong can things go? Wolfgang, the above mess is D&Ds fault. Please accept my apology on behalf of D&D. I will not call you a fool again but can I still call you WolfGanster - sorry just kidding. Tony Firshman was right from the word go. There was something fundamentally wrong in what we were doing. I just wasn't here all the time to fix things that I did not know were wrong. Tony, the next time you give me advice wave your finger at me so I listen more. Malcom, its a bit of a mess really, what do think. Funny now though. Dennis - D&D Systems
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
- Original Message - From: "Dave P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst? > > > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > the presumption is that D&D have sold Q60s with SMSQ/E - after > > all, this is the way the machine has always been sold. > > If only they had simply told me - "we have not sold one single > > machine with SMSQ/E". > > How do you know that they weren't sitting on a stock of 25 pre-blown > EPROMS and have been nibbling away at these with sales, and would have > made appropriate arrangements when this got down to 2 or 3 EPROMS? This is > pure conjecture. Again, only D&D can clarify this. > I thought it was obvious, we blew a pile of ERROMs last year and put them in stock as you would do with floppy discs maybe. When we want a pair we pick them up and fit them. We do everything in batches and never use the one at a time approach. This applies to motherboards as well, I build a generic m/b which is stored and can be turned into a Q40i, Q60/60, Q60/66, Q60/80 or the other one which is secret. > > Thanks fo the "technically" > > As I said previously, I hold your technical skills in highest regard. > > > Excuse me, but what cooperation? D&D and I don't HAVE TO > > cooperate (even though, still, I'd like to - let me go on record for > > this!). > > > That also depends on the buyers of SMSQ/E. I for one, would not > > have bought a Q60 under these circumstances. If you do, knowing > > that you are using a pirated copy of an OS and that the people > > gining it to you had not right to do so, then that's your decision. > > This license creates so many grey areas. For example, I have a QXL card, > but no OS, yet one was originally supplied with it. Do I have to buy > another copy of SMSQ? If I buy QPC do I have to pay for yet another full > copy of SMSQ or can I just pay the extra 10 Euros for each additional > version? [1] > > Bopttom line, maybe D&D are trying to get something for nothing. I hope > not, but the suspicion remains and I'll veto my Q60 purchase (which is > some way off anyway) until this issue is resolved and license fees are > shown to have been paid. No it's the other way round when I look at the paperwork - see other email - we are actually not charging for it and we do pay licence fees (Peter has paid them for us for convenience) and we have a few fees outstanding nothing much, exactly how many, don't know. That's somewhere in the paperwork on my left and I want to do the soldering on my right. The soldering wins. The total is nothing to make a fuss about. Apparently we cannot pay the few outstanding fees because we have to be resellers to hand the money over. The way it works, I think, is if I were to hand a few pounds Sterling to Wolfgang now, he would have to give it me back because I am not a reseller. So one of us must become a reseller to hand him the few pounds and then he can keep it. I do not know how it works (Peter has asked Wolfgang twice for me with no responce) but I think the above payment mechanism might be correct. I just want to make Q60s and bung them (Wolfy?) a few quid every now and again, that will do me but it has to be more complex. Dennis - D&D Systems
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
- Original Message - From: "Dave P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst? > > > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Jochen Merz wrote: > > > maybe I can add a bit of clarification here. > > Thanks for the clarification. > > As a member of the public, Wolfgang's approach aside, I can now see how he > arrived there (just wish he gave us a chance to get up to speed too > instead of throwing us in at the deep end! ;P) > > So, D&D are theiving scum. If you bought one, contact Wolfgang directly > and offer to pay the license fee. Seems fair. > > Dave > > Yes I want that, the customer/end user pays direct so I don't have to bother about it, great. We already do this with Jochen Merz software. In our adverts you will have seen pre-installed commercial software. We install Qpac2 etc. on Q60s at the customers request but we do not pay for it, they pay Jochen direct, it works fine. Why can't the licence fee be the same, Jochen is the reseller, ok sell away and we just do the labour intensive bit, as usual. On 2(?) occasions the customer wanted us to pay Jochen for them because they did not want to phone Germany or no credit card, so we have paid Jochen directly on their behalf. He has our credit card number so I just email him saying: 1 software pack to Name, Address he takes cash from our credit card and thats it. He then posts the manuals etc. on to the customer as per normal, job done. Can we not do the same for licence fees, the customer pays him direct and we will put the O/S on for nothing (we already put the O/S on for nothing, see other email). Why doesn't that work? Better still, the customer gives D&D the money to pass on to Jochen, and he just takes it from our credit card. That's what I want to happen and it frees up more time for me to work on what I should be doing. How's that? Seems fair. Dennis - D&D Systems
Re: [ql-users] QL Service Manual in HTML Format
Hi Tony Try using ~IE double left click on image(brings up Gif, much larger, if you still can't see it) then right click on that and click show photo, when cursor is at one edge of screen a button appears, click on it. My eyesight is not good, but I can read all clearly, even the wiring tracks. I need a 24" monitor, to see comfortably Regards Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.macnamaras.com - Original Message - From: "QL recursos en castellano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 6:29 AM Subject: [ql-users] QL Service Manual in HTML Format > > The document "QL Service Manual" has been turned to HTML by one of the > collaborators of the page "Sinclair QL Spanish Resources" > > One is to your disposition in the URL: > > http://badared.com/QL/mans/qlsm/qlsm_en.html > > I hope that it is to you of interest and utility. > > > Javier Guerra > Sinclair QL Spanish Resources > http://badared.com/QL > > > >
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar for 2003
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 at 14:35:25, Marcel Kilgus wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > >Hi Norman. >> You'll notice I said 'naked QLs' and not 'naked QLers'. > >Good. Because I certainly don't want so see something like that in the >calender: > >ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp/QLs_and_Zwiebeltuete-3-s.jpg he he - who is that? -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar for 2003
Hi Norman. > You'll notice I said 'naked QLs' and not 'naked QLers'. Good. Because I certainly don't want so see something like that in the calender: ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp/QLs_and_Zwiebeltuete-3-s.jpg ;-) Marcel
Re: [ql-users] Re: Graphic Tablet and QL TV-Toy (Arnould where are you?)
Phoebus Dokos wrote: BTW: Could you please change your line length to something sensible instead of infinity? > Well for one I don't have the sources (yet) but the fact of the > matter is that it works... They way I envisioned that Graphics > engine it's really a client server environment (as i put it to > Jochen, an X for the poor :-) Well, I quite like client/server graphics for working at home with university servers. It's just that most QL systems are too slow for something like that. Especially as client/server without good network ability is IMO not very useful. > (Note here: As it stands now, you could possibly get in and change > the standard screen routines -just leave the entry points in place- > with my own and everything should work immediately - but then again, It's not that easy. We'll talk again after you had a look at the sources ;-) > Hmmm you should help built software for a bot to compete in > BattleBots As you say, those are simple remote controlled robots, no need for AI there ;-) Out bots need to be autonomic which is quite a big challenge. Marcel
Re: [ql-users] QL Hardware
John Sadler wrote: > > It's under the GPL. And it's supposed to cause problems. > Only if you want to sell it!!! Actually that's what I'm doing with QPC. Marcel
QLRe: [ql-users] QL Service Manual in HTML Format
From: "Tony Firshman" > > That is very good indeed. 'interesting and useful' is what you probably > meant to say (8-)# :) oh, My Internet translator it's playing with me again. > Not surprisingly at 100k, the pcb diagrams GIFs are illegible. > You could maybe offer a hi-res zipped download - maybe you already have. Well. The author of HTML conversion only had a PDF file who was found in Internet. We will work in it. Greetings Javier Guerra (the spanish speaker) ;) Sinclair QL Spanish Resources http://badared.com/QL
Re: [ql-users] ZX Emulators
Phoebus Dokos writes: > AFAIK Easyptr handles extended colour sets... Anyone? (Marcel?). > In any case it may be easier than that if a palette is build to eliminate stippling and > assign the correct colours. If of course regular calls have been used... It will run, but no direct access to hicolor. EasySprite can only be run QL colour mode Per
Re: [ql-users] QL Service Manual in HTML Format
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 at 07:29:19, QL recursos en castellano wrote: (ref: <001801c287b9$56071740$0201a8c0@badapc>) > >The document "QL Service Manual" has been turned to HTML by one of the >collaborators of the page "Sinclair QL Spanish Resources" > >One is to your disposition in the URL: > >http://badared.com/QL/mans/qlsm/qlsm_en.html > >I hope that it is to you of interest and utility. That is very good indeed. 'interesting and useful' is what you probably meant to say (8-)# Not surprisingly at 100k, the pcb diagrams GIFs are illegible. You could maybe offer a hi-res zipped download - maybe you already have. The original diagrams though have quite few mistakes. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Re: Graphic Tablet and QL TV-Toy (Arnould where are you?)
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 at 18:48:37, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: <4133Y2VI76XVRQNJKXRC854HB32VU.3dcc4d55@quantumcentral>) >(IIRC when SMSQ/E is loaded atop of Minerva, the I2C port continues to >function...am I wrong?) Yes - there is an SMSQ module that enables the I2C - god I am suffering from directory loss again - can't think of his name. Lives in East London, and has a beard used be with spuddy... urmm, no it is gone. ah yes, David Gilham. That is what one has to go through to find the memory location (8-)# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 at 17:55:51, paul holmgren wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > >Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: > >> On 8 Nov 2002, at 11:47, Tony Firshman wrote: > >> >(...) The best course is to stop thinking, > >> How do you do that? > >> Does it happen often to you?... >> > >> Wolfgang >> - >> www.wlenerz.com > >I get brain farts all the time, was WORSE when I was in the thick >of work AND Sinclair computing, had 5 different system types at work >that I had to be proficient in and at home there was the 3 different >Sinclair setups with different interfaces adding to the mix. > >The work phrase we has was "Taking a Phase" a bad enough "Phase" >and you did a total wipe and rebuilt a minimum configuration from >scratch. Minor "Phases" were like "Stop, re-group" and then >"think about it", then the "got it Yet" results meant that the brain >just might be back on track, but not guaranteed to be so. >Sometimes it hurt to even think about it. and all that without a recovery CD (8-)# Nice to see you are still around here. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar for 2003
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 at 09:16:22, Jonathan Dent wrote: (ref: <000901c287c9$4fdf3680$e180e6c2@oemcomputer>) > >From: Malcolm Cadman > >> So ... could we make a calender based on the QL and its Users - not a >> subject on everyone's lips - popular enough to sell to many people ? >> >> -- >> Malcolm Cadman >> > >How about: Everybody takes their QL stands in front of a local famous >landmark >and gets someone to photograph them. We could have QL with Eifeltower, QL >and >the Golden Gates, QL on the Eiger, QL on Britonbeach, QL and Big Ben, QL on >the Snowdon Railway, QL grazing with Irish sheep... there that's 7 months >already >what do you think. I think we could aim for getting the pictures together by >October >2003 (one taken per month would be nice but could be hard to coordinate) >then >publication by December 2003 for 2004. That is a good idea - could last for years (8-)# Peter Fox have one at 9000 feet in his plane. Tesco did that a while back with one of their 'lifetime' carriers bags! -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Pirates and mad sheep
On 9 Nov 2002, at 2:48, dndsystems1 wrote: (...) > Yes I wanted a private corrispondnce with him without outside > influence. My question: Do you personally see any way to build in more > flexibility to the licence to accomodate the programmers that do not > like vatious parts of it. Just what exactly did you have in mind here? If I understand this correctly, there would be some amendment to the licence for a special few? Is that realistic? Wolfgang > Asking this question in public might have restricted his answer. All > fair enough I thought. We don't need the answer now. > > 2 or 3 emails and I would have had a result to work with. I sent it at > the beginning of September and no response. In his original email to > me he says it takes him weeks to summon up courage to even think about > SMSQ/E (approx quote) so I thought he was taking a lot of time to > reply, ok I'll wait. It gets worse. I had caught him originally by > chance when he used the supnet address but I replied to him using the > same address, result is if he sends to me it will be deleted unless I > use > one of the other computers that do not filter like that. If I loose > some emails it does not matter because I only use supanet for 'the > list'. Oops! I should have given him one of the private addresses. I > found this out Thursday. > > Dennis - D&D Systems > > > - www.wlenerz.com
RE: [ql-users] Mention in PC Plus
On 8 Nov 2002, at 17:13, Norman Dunbar wrote: > PS. Note that they are asking for emails/letters from people who use > emulators - why not all write in, they might even do an article on us > 'retro-dudes' ! > Well, I will, but not living ointhe UK I will have little impact. Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
Re: [ql-users] Software pirates in our midst?
On 8 Nov 2002, at 21:10, Tony Firshman wrote: > > Not often enough (8-)# Hmm I wuld have thought Never mind. :-))) Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
Re: [ql-users] SMSQ/E License
On 8 Nov 2002, at 22:21, Malcolm Cadman wrote: > > There seems to be some confusion around SMSQ/E's 'core' and its > 'flavours'. > > It seems to me that Wolfgang has taken on the onerous task of > maintaining the integrity of SMSQ/E so that it remains consistent and > coherent, and that all users - irrespective of platform - get access to > all the 'new' features. Yipee yey! Hooray! Somebody understand what I'm trying to do. Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar for 2003
On 9 Nov 2002, at 9:16, Jonathan Dent wrote: > How about: Everybody takes their QL stands in front of a local famous > landmark > and gets someone to photograph them. What, you means with us in the picture, too? Hey, It'll be the the QL Horror picture show, then... Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
Re: [ql-users] QL Hardware
- Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ql-users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Hardware "Öïßâïò Ñ. Íôüêïò" wrote: > A very nice 68000-68040 JIT compiler exists and its sources > are freely available for UAE / Basilisk... Surely a programmer of > your caliber could adapt it? It's under the GPL. And it's supposed to cause problems. Marcel Only if you want to sell it!!!
Re: [ql-users] QL Hardware & other matters
- Original Message - From: "?? ?. ??" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Hardware & other matters > > ??? 4/11/2002 6:09:13 ??, ?/? "John Sadler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: > > > > >I have cut out the original correspondence to shorten this e-mail > > > >With respect to Poebus's reply what is the PIZZA challenge.? > >I presume it opens lots of small programs & does something with them. > >I was told that one of the advantages of the Unix system is it scales well. > >Phoebus'es comments would suggest that with this problem QDOS scales better. > >If Unix spends all its time swapping pages in memory then it really does > >grind to a halt. Would the problem be that the Unix box was running > >something like KDE? > > We are talking about the GUI side of things of course so yes... process handling under text mode is A LOT better than under X, however QDOS beats both systems > hands down... and if you talk in comparable processing power terms (ie a 68060 with a 386/slow 486)... then it's lightyears ahead! > > > >I would be surprised if you could not build a version of Linux on a modern > >PC Box running the equivalent of the software installation on the Q60 which > >could not operate orders of magnitude faster than a Q60. > > > > Of course you can, (apart from the booting process which in MOST cases is a lot slower on the PC for other reasons), however that's not the point of having Linux under > Qx0. One of the greatest advantages (apart from offering to QDOS users features not available to them using traditional QL hardware) is that it can sell as a VERY low > power consuming Web Server and be VERY successful commercially... A run of the mill Web Hosting Service usually stacks Pentiums or other power hungry servers > which result in IMMENSE amounts of power being consumed, heat generated and thus extra power (and monetary) requirements to cool these down, plus the costs of > Fans replaced, noise suppression and the people that need to service them constantly... A Qx0 web server farm of 100 machines would practically consume as much > energy as 5 medium sized PC servers and generate approximately the same heat You can see the obvious advantages :-) > Now I wonder why Motorola or other manufacturere has not done it? Afterall linux is used on the majority of webservers and Linux is available for the 68?0 series. Or the Power PC. After all if you wnat to make money compact efficient webservers are a good line to be in! > > > > > > > >
Re: [ql-users] QL Today news
- Original Message - From: "Dilwyn Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "QL Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "QL Chat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:11 PM Subject: [ql-users] QL Today news > > Hello everyone, > > It is time to start putting QL Today together once again. I'm a bit > short of both news and articles this time, so if anyone has material > to include in QL Today please send it to me as soon as possible. > > -- > Dilwyn Jones > News George has now got a new version of Turbo & TPTR which allows you to include toolkit keywords. Available on my website so you can include it on yours as well
[ql-users] Its that price again
Since I've started back at D&D - I haven't worked for D&D for a few months except for organizing components which isn't work - I have looked at what we actually do regarding pricing of O/S and this is what we have done in the past and now. Our O/S is supplied on 2 EPROMs. The charge for 2 EPROMs and burning code onto them is 10GBP. Example. We have sold Q60s without SMSQ/E and the charge for 2 EPROMs and burning the code has been and still is 10GBP, not an unreasonable price I hope you agree. But when we sell SMSQ/E the charge is the same 10GBP. Technically it seems that we do not take money from the customer for SMSQ/E at all. As the amount for SMSQ/E is insignificant on the grand scale of things such as the sale of a complete system we disregard the SMSQ/E price so as to produce an easier to read pricing structure for the customer i.e. 10GBP for a running O/S, whatever it is. The fault lies in the avdert - see QL Today - in the price list it states: SMSQ/E is 10GBP That means when we supply QDOS Classic on EPROMs as the boot-up O/S we should not charge for the 2 EPROMs and burning (+ EPROM postage to us etc.). Well that does not happen, 10GBP is charged. The advert promotes SMSQ/E as the prefered O/S in this respect. This must change to reflect what is really happening. Something like this: O/S EPROMs = 10GBP This will apply to standard size EPROMs burned with the O/S of your choice (not limited to SMSQ/E or QDOS Classic, others are invited) and are attached to the sale of a Q60. EPROM burning on its own is a different matter when not attached to the initial sale of a Q60. We have never burned EPROMs only for a customer and no price exists for it, I'll think about that one. Being a reseller and all the rest of the mess is separate from the pricing structure statement above. I will reorganise the advert and remove this inaccuracy. Dennis - D&D Systems
[ql-users] Forthcoming Shows
Are there any plans to hold a QL show in Italy in the near future (anyone)?? Please let me know.. -- Rich Mellor RWAP Software 35 Chantry Croft, Kinsley, Pontefract, West Yorkshire, WF9 5JH TEL: 01977 610509 http://hometown.aol.co.uk/rwapsoftware
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar for 2003
From: Malcolm Cadman > > How about: Everybody takes their QL stands in front of a local famous > landmark > and gets someone to photograph them. We could have QL with Eifeltower, QL > and > the Golden Gates, QL on the Eiger, QL on Britonbeach, QL and Big Ben, QL ... ... and a spanish monument, of course. Javier Guerra Sinclair QL Spanish Resources.
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar for 2003
From: Malcolm Cadman > So ... could we make a calender based on the QL and its Users - not a > subject on everyone's lips - popular enough to sell to many people ? > > -- > Malcolm Cadman > How about: Everybody takes their QL stands in front of a local famous landmark and gets someone to photograph them. We could have QL with Eifeltower, QL and the Golden Gates, QL on the Eiger, QL on Britonbeach, QL and Big Ben, QL on the Snowdon Railway, QL grazing with Irish sheep... there that's 7 months already what do you think. I think we could aim for getting the pictures together by October 2003 (one taken per month would be nice but could be hard to coordinate) then publication by December 2003 for 2004. Jon.
