Qmail and Request Tracker

[Chris Jackman]

Hello,


We're running qmail (1.03) on a Freebsd box and are trying to use
Request Tracker (www.fsck.com/projects/rt).  We're using procmail
as the local delivery agent.  We're using Maildir/ style mailboxes,
and procmail has been compiled with support for them.

We're going to go into some detail about what's happening.  We've left out
out some details about how Request Tracker works.  It's an email ticketing
system.  Even still, we're hoping someone on the list will be able to
help us (possibly someone with experience with RT.)  We've sent mail to
the rt-users (Request Tracker) mailing list, but haven't gotten a response
yet.


The problem we're having is this:
Mail is received for our Request Tracker address, [EMAIL PROTECTED], and
is passed to the rt-mailgate script.  The mail message is copied into a
ticket, and a response is sent to the requestor.  Qmail however, does not
finish delivery, and the message remains in the queue.




ls -la /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-tickets
-rw-r--r--  1 root  qmail  52 May  6 00:04 /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-tickets

In /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-tickets we have

|preline /var/rt/bin/rt-mailgate tickets correspond




When an email comes in addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], we see these
processes appear:


alias78010  1.0  0.2   880  396  ??  S 4:39AM   0:00.02 bin/qmail-local -- 
alias /var/qmail/alias tickets - tickets klatsch.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] |preline 
procmail

alias78012  0.0  0.1   620  244  ??  S 4:39AM   0:00.01 /bin/sh -c preline 
/var/rt/bin/rt-mailgate tickets correspond

alias78013  0.0  0.1   872  360  ??  S 4:39AM   0:00.01 preline 
/var/rt/bin/rt-mailgate tickets correspond

rt   78014 48.2  1.3  3940 3324  ??  D 4:39AM   0:01.13 /usr/bin/perl -T 
/var/rt/bin/rtmux.pl rt-mailgate tickets correspond

rt   78019  0.0  0.0 00  ??  Z 4:39AM   0:00.00  (qmail-inject)



All of these processes will now hang around for a while until we kill them.
(We didn't let them stay longer than a day.)   We noticed that the last rt
process (78019) is a zombie.

We also notice the first alias process is (to us) doing something funky.
However, we're not sure how each argument on that line is being used by
the process.

We removed procmail from the /var/qmail/rc file, restarted qmail, and
got the same set of processes, so we don't think it's procmail.




In the qmail logfile, we see:

2001-05-06 04:39:38.753166500 starting delivery 2: msg 214326 to local tickets@k
latsch.org
2001-05-06 04:39:38.758490500 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
2001-05-06 04:39:41.861612500 new msg 214327
2001-05-06 04:39:41.867125500 info msg 214327: bytes 1775 from  qp 78020 uid 89
2001-05-06 04:39:41.956685500 starting delivery 3: msg 214327 to local cjack@kla
tsch.org
2001-05-06 04:39:41.960322500 status: local 2/10 remote 0/20
2001-05-06 04:39:42.203451500 delivery 3: success: did_0+0+1/
2001-05-06 04:39:42.206103500 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
2001-05-06 04:39:42.206122500 end msg 214327
2001-05-06 04:40:14.215884500 starting delivery 4: 






We noticed that there is no delivery 2: success message, nor is there
ever for any other email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

We also notice that the queue status (in this case 1/10) will stay that
way until we manually remove the message from the queue.  It will increment
if we send more email to tickets.




If we kill all the alias processes first, and then kill the rt process (78014
 above) that is doing  "perl -T /var/rt/bin/rtmux.pl rt-mailgate tickets
correspond", we see this in the qmail logs:

2001-05-06 05:03:26.769179500 delivery 2: deferral: qmail-local_crashed./




If we kill that process (78014 above) first, without killing the alias
processes, we see this in the logs, and the alias processes disappear:

2001-05-06 05:20:59.743902500 delivery 20: deferral: preline:_fatal:_child_crash
ed/



Our searches of the rt-users mailing lists turned up users using qmail
with Request Tracker, only noting that the alias for Request Tracker should
be what we have in our /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-tickets file.



We tried setting up a tickets user, with a home directory of /home/tickets,
and a .qmail file of |preline /var/rt/bin/rt-mailgate tickets correspond

The same thing occurred.



We're not sure what's causing the problem here.  We thought that the
rt-mailgate script forked, which qmail-send does not like.  Especially since
killing the alias processes generates a log message of
 "preline:_fatal:_child_crash."



We're not sure if this would actually cause qmail to "choke" on delivering
mail to our tickets address.  What does qmail do if a command does fork?


Thanks for your time.
cj

Re: SMTPAuth and mysql patch??

[Mike A. Sauvain]

> The question still exists, becase these list i amazing small,
> maybe we should hang in the qmail-linglist...
>
> if you /or my, have any info, i'm happy if we share
>
> until now, i cant use, i tryed to patch smtpd, but
> it acts without prompting for any informations, so
> im not sure, if the smtpd or the checkpassword fails.

ok - I got it working - the qmail-mysql patch for
checkpassword and qmail -

I just added the patch for checkpassword-0.90 nd
then added /bin/checkpassword /bin/true to the end
of /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd in the smtp server
startup script and BANG - works :)

Where are you gettin stuck ??

Tonino

-
thats the problem, im not really sure..

perl -e 'printf "tst\@mydomain.ch\0test\0"' | /bin/checkpassword env
3<&0
result my data in mysql, so checkpassword-90 is working with mysql

my start file looks
QMAILDUID=`id -u qmaild`
NOFILESGID=`id -g qmaild`
/usr/local/bin/tcpserver -R -H -v -p -x /etc/tcpcontrol/smtp.cdb \
 -u "$QMAILDUID" -g "$NOFILESGID" 0 smtp
/server/apps/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd /bin/checkpassword /bin/true \
/server/apps/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd \
/server/apps/qmail/rc &

it tryed also to put my FQDN beetween qmail-smtp and checkpassword
no affects, if i telnet my self on port 25, it connects me to
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 myFQDN ESMTP

so, im not sure if qmail-smtpd patch failed to compile in...
my used version are:
checkpassword-0.90
checkpassword-0.90-mysql-0.6.6.patch
qmail-smtpd-auth-0.30

Much thanks ahead for any ideas .

qmail-remote remaining in ESTABLISHED phase

[Neil Kandalgaonkar]

We have a problem with qmail-remote connections staying open in the
ESTABLISHED phase for very long periods of time, seemingly indefinitely.

Our server, a very busy mailing list server, then becomes very slow 
since the number of functioning qmail-remote processes slowly reduces to 
a handful.

This behaviour seems to have started sometime last week. We know of
no change to our current setup (qmail-1.03 on Red Hat Linux 6.2) that
took place then. Our setup hasn't been updated much since June 2000.

There doesn't seem to be anything special about the messages being
sent.

There may be some association between particular mail exchangers and 
this problem. It seems to occur after we connect to mail exchangers
at outblaze.com. But if that is true, then the problem "spreads" to 
other new connections. That may be a red herring.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.


-- 
Neil Kandalgaonkar, Web Application Developer, ActiveState 
New! ASPN - ActiveState Programmer Network
Essential programming tools and information
http://www.ActiveState.com/ASPN/

Re: Fw:

[Scott D. Yelich]

On Thu, 10 May 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:02:14AM +0300, Okan CIMEN wrote:
> > *** DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT***
> > Our e-mail users receive lots of e-mails with no subject nor from adress but
> > just an attachment. Below is an example I have received before. As you may
> > see there are no "from" or "subject" information available. The only clue is
> > the .exe attachment with a random name written in capital letters.
> > How can I block these e-mails?
> Are you FUCKING NUTS? You just DELIBERATELY spread a virus on the
> qmail list.
> Get the fuck OUT OF HERE.
> Greetz, Peter [who doesn't apologize for the caps].


wasn't this one written in .nl as the ak was?

anyway, I welcome posting of viruses... mainly because
I laugh at those who are aflicted with ms.

I laugh twice when those virus software things send messages back
to an entire list.

Today has been particularly good... with this virus here...
a user asking how to search an archive or a mailing list
and giving a url to a page that has a search on it... etc.

Me, I just wonder why you can't have an MX point to a cname.

Scott
ps: go for it.

RE: Case in email address

[Stephen Berg]

I always thought that qmail converted the user part of an incoming email
to lowercase and then handled it appropriately.

On Thu, 10 May 2001, Matt Simonsen wrote:

> For additional information, I have read the man page for addresses. *SLAP* I
> should have done this first, sorry.
> 
> It says that case does matter in Qmail (as most of you know probably), yet
> when I pipe mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] both get
> delivered to my real account, [EMAIL PROTECTED] What am I missing? By
> default is case sensitivity disabled for interoperability? I get the
> impression that case does matter, yet I can't get it to fail.

RE: QMail autostart problem

[Neil Whittington]

Thanks for the reply, Dave.

The default run level is 3.

The links created are:
  ln -s ../init.d/svscan S89svscan
in rc3.d and rc5.d

  ln -s ../init.d/svscan K12svscan
in rc0.d rc1.d rc2.d and rc6.d

Yes, I made a mistake at the end of my email. It should read:
If I go into the /etc/rc.d/init.d directory and type

./svscan start
./qmail start

it all runs perfectly. (I was trying to make the point that the scripts seem
to be fine because they work manually.)

It must be something else that I am doing dumb!

Cheers

Neil


-Original Message-
From: Dave Sill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, 11 May 2001 5:02
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: QMail autostart problem


"Neil Whittington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I have created my svscan and qmail startup scripts (see below) in the =
init.d
>directory and set their permissions.
>
>In the rcX.d directories, I have set up the link to svscan  (eg  ln =96=
s
>../init.d/svscan K12svscan )

Which links did you create=3F What is your default runlevel=3F

>Now, when I reboot, qmail doesn't start. If I go into the /etc/rc.d/in=
it.d
>directory and type
>
>./qmail start
>./svscan start
>
>it all runs perfectly. What am I doing wrong=3F

Well, that shouldn't work. The "qmail start" will only work if svscan
(and supervise) is already running. Perhaps you're not starting svscan
first.

-Dave

Re: Case in email address

[Nick (Keith) Fish]

Matt Simonsen wrote:
> 
> For additional information, I have read the man page for addresses. *SLAP* I
> should have done this first, sorry.
> 
> It says that case does matter in Qmail (as most of you know probably), yet
> when I pipe mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] both get
> delivered to my real account, [EMAIL PROTECTED] What am I missing? By
> default is case sensitivity disabled for interoperability? I get the
> impression that case does matter, yet I can't get it to fail.
> 
> Thanks-
> 
> Matt

Ahhh . . . nope, qmail ignores case in both the instance of domains and users
except when .  Read the section of
whatever documentation you read on aliases.  It should prattle on about
mailer-daemon being equal to MAILER-DAEMON.  That man page I had you read was
just a recommendation on what you should do; but since a lot of people don't do
that, qmail attempts to make up for their mistakes. =)

-- 
Keith
Network Engineer
Triton Technologies, Inc.

Re: tcpserver blues

[Nick (Keith) Fish]

Chris Ochap wrote:

> start() {
> # Start daemons.
> echo -n $"Starting $prog: "
> daemon /var/qmail/rc
> /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcprules/tcp.smtp.cdb -u
> 51 -g 50 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd
> RETVAL=$?
> [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/qmail
> echo
> return $RETVAL
> }

Try adding "2>&1" to the end of the tcpserver line, so:

/usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcprules/tcp.smtp.cdb -u 51 -g 50 0 smtp
/var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2>&1

This should cause qmail-smtpd to run in the background instead of directly on
whatever tty you are attached to.  To test rather it is running or not, tail it
the log file it outputs while telnetting into port 25 of your machine.

-- 
Keith
Network Engineer
Triton Technologies, Inc.

Re: tcpserver blues

[tc lewis]

tcpserver runs in the foreground.  that line:
tcpserver: status: 0/40
is its [logging] output.  when it accepts a new connection, it will output
more.

just run it in the background.
maybe pipe stdout and stderr to a file for logging.
or be elegant and use supervise and svscan (see daemontools
documentation on cr.yp.to).

-tcl.


On Thu, 10 May 2001, Chris Ochap wrote:

> can anyone help me figure out why qmail-smtpd will not start.  i have been
> following multiple peices of literature to complete the install...although
> they all differ slightly...i have had no trouble with any stage of the
> install except getting qmail to start listening for remote deliveries.
> whenever i enter the tcpserver command to start qmail-smtpd whether it be in
> a startup script or command line...i get
>
> tcpserver: status: 0/40
>
> and the prompt just sits there like it is waiting for me to enter another
> parameter.  i am fairly confident that the command line options are all
> correct:
> tcpserver executable and switches -v = verbose -p = accept comm w/o remote
> host dns lookup -x = use rules database
> location of rules database with a very simple set of rules
> user and group ids for qmail users...define whether tcpserver is on
> localhost...use smtp...ok sorry im going over what most of you probably know
> already.  does anyone have any suggestions or need more info?  here is a
> copy of my little script...i am running rh 7.1.  thanx all.
>
> 
> ---
> # Source function library.
> . /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions
>
> # Source networking configuration.
> . /etc/sysconfig/network
>
> # Check that qmail is loaded
> [ -f /var/qmail/bin/qmail-start ] || exit 0
>
> RETVAL=0
> prog="qmail"
>
> start() {
> # Start daemons.
> echo -n $"Starting $prog: "
> daemon /var/qmail/rc
> /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcprules/tcp.smtp.cdb -u
> 51 -g 50 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd
> RETVAL=$?
> [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/qmail
> echo
> return $RETVAL
> }
> stop() {
> # Stop daemons.
> echo -n $"Stopping $prog: "
> killproc qmail-send
> RETVAL=$?
> [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && rm -f /var/lock/subsys/qmail
> echo
> return $RETVAL
> }
>
> restart() {
> stop
> start
> }
>
> # See how we were called.
> case "$1" in
> start)
> start
> ;;
> stop)
> stop
> ;;
> restart)
> restart
> ;;
> *)
> echo $"Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart}"
> exit 1
> esac
>
> exit $?
>
>

RE: Case in email address

[Matt Simonsen]

For additional information, I have read the man page for addresses. *SLAP* I
should have done this first, sorry.

It says that case does matter in Qmail (as most of you know probably), yet
when I pipe mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] both get
delivered to my real account, [EMAIL PROTECTED] What am I missing? By
default is case sensitivity disabled for interoperability? I get the
impression that case does matter, yet I can't get it to fail.

Thanks-

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Matt Simonsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:14 PM
To: Qmail@List. Cr. Yp. To
Subject: Case in email address


How does Qmail deal with case in an email address? From Outlook at least,
case does not appear to matter, for example, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] both deliver to me. Also, what is the official RFC
standard for case in an email address. I read in section 3.4.7 of RFC 822
that at least for the "from" field it does not matter. I have a bet that it
doesn't matter I have been told that so many times I have taken it as
truth, but have a co-worker who is sure Sendmail is case sensitive.

Thanks
Matt

tcpserver blues

[Chris Ochap]

can anyone help me figure out why qmail-smtpd will not start.  i have been
following multiple peices of literature to complete the install...although
they all differ slightly...i have had no trouble with any stage of the
install except getting qmail to start listening for remote deliveries.
whenever i enter the tcpserver command to start qmail-smtpd whether it be in
a startup script or command line...i get

tcpserver: status: 0/40

and the prompt just sits there like it is waiting for me to enter another
parameter.  i am fairly confident that the command line options are all
correct:
tcpserver executable and switches -v = verbose -p = accept comm w/o remote
host dns lookup -x = use rules database
location of rules database with a very simple set of rules
user and group ids for qmail users...define whether tcpserver is on
localhost...use smtp...ok sorry im going over what most of you probably know
already.  does anyone have any suggestions or need more info?  here is a
copy of my little script...i am running rh 7.1.  thanx all.


---
# Source function library.
. /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions

# Source networking configuration.
. /etc/sysconfig/network

# Check that qmail is loaded
[ -f /var/qmail/bin/qmail-start ] || exit 0

RETVAL=0
prog="qmail"

start() {
# Start daemons.
echo -n $"Starting $prog: "
daemon /var/qmail/rc
/usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcprules/tcp.smtp.cdb -u
51 -g 50 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd
RETVAL=$?
[ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/qmail
echo
return $RETVAL
}
stop() {
# Stop daemons.
echo -n $"Stopping $prog: "
killproc qmail-send
RETVAL=$?
[ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && rm -f /var/lock/subsys/qmail
echo
return $RETVAL
}

restart() {
stop
start
}

# See how we were called.
case "$1" in
start)
start
;;
stop)
stop
;;
restart)
restart
;;
*)
echo $"Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart}"
exit 1
esac

exit $?

Case in email address

[Matt Simonsen]

How does Qmail deal with case in an email address? From Outlook at least,
case does not appear to matter, for example, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] both deliver to me. Also, what is the official RFC
standard for case in an email address. I read in section 3.4.7 of RFC 822
that at least for the "from" field it does not matter. I have a bet that it
doesn't matter I have been told that so many times I have taken it as
truth, but have a co-worker who is sure Sendmail is case sensitive.

Thanks
Matt

Anyone using qmail-remote_authenticated_smtp.patch ?

[Wolfgang Käß]

Hello,

I have patched qmail-remote to auth against the ISP (exim) 
SMTP RFC 2554.
But so far I'm still not able to auth - getting 550 back - so I need
some help.

There are no docs with the qmail-remote_authenticated_smtp.patch file.
so I'm not sure that I only have to patch qmail-remote.

Also how exactly do I define username and password - i assume into
control/smtproutes ?

Thanks.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

qmail-inject and Perl

[Kevin Smith]

Hi All,

I want to send mail using Perl, however, I want to use qmail to send it and
for qmail to report any failed emails, i.e. bad email addresses, failed
deliveries, etc.

Would qmail-inject do this for me and if so, does anyone have any simple
examples using this with Perl?

Many thanks,

Kevin Smith

ezmlm and announce-only lists...?

[Jeff Gordon]

I've just barely got qmail, qmailadmin and vpop running, need to know
if there's a method for making an ezmlm list "announce only"...?

(Pointers to any documentation on this would be appreciated; I haven't
found any that address this exact topic so far.)

-- 

 -- Jeff --   

 "There's nothing left in the world to prove.  All that's worth doing
  is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve."

weird

[Mate Wierdl]

A bit offtopic:

A subscriber regularly gets warning messages whenever a certain guy
posts to the list.  This poster has this

From: Francisco Stefano Wechsler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The domain wechsler.fca.unesp.br is nonexistent, and the subscriber's
ISP (TU-Berlin.DE) has the policy that if there is no valid sender
address in any header field, they bounce  the message.  Hence the
message bounces back to ezmlm, which then sends a probe to the
subscriber.

Is there any rfc that is violated by TU-Berlin.DE's policy?

Thx,

Mate

-- 
---
Mate Wierdl | Dept. of Math. Sciences | University of Memphis  

Re: mailing list

[Robin S. Socha]

* Karsten W Rohrbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ed lim([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.05.09 11:28:16 +:

>> I need a mailing list to send to our millions of subscribers... I am
>> already using ezmlm but I'm still open for suggestions on a much
>> simpler or better one.

> ezmlm-idx with mysql support and the subscriber lists in a database.
> considering the larger overhead of an sql server, i was thinking about
> stuffing subscriber lists in a cdb hash from the sql db. 

Did you read the relevant chapters from the ezmlm-idx (that's what you
probably want, not stock ezmlm)? You will want to use sublists, anyway,
and the performance overhead for the SQL server is probably small
compared to the load the mail server has to carry, anyway. And the
ezmlm-ML is the right place to discuss this.
-- 
Robin S. Socha - Your Worst Network Nightmare(tm).
`In Germany, they are not referred to as network administrators. They
prefer to be called "Sons Of The Third Reich".' (Kate: www.katewerk.com)

Re: smpp instead of smtp

[Charles Cazabon]

Brett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, sorry I didn't clarify what smpp was. Everyone here always seems so
> knowledgeable, I just assumed it was known. Anyway, now that it's been
> defined (below), does anyone see any way of using it instead of smtp with
> qmail? I can manually call qmail-smtpd to send a smtp message and feed it
> commands.

The normal, modular approach to this problem would be to write your own daemon
(qmail-smppd in this case) which speaks SMPP and injects into the queue in the
same way that qmail-smtpd does; namely, by calling qmail-queue.  See the
source for qmail-smtpd (-qmtpd, -qmqpd) for an example.

Charles
-- 
---
Charles Cazabon<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
---

RE: smpp instead of smtp

[Tim Hunter]

you might look into the work that was done near the beginning of this year
to add the patches for qmtp support in qmail, since smpp is a different port
that may work, pending the addition of the extra MX entry.  Maybe we need
new additions to DNS for these new protocols to work effectively.

Who knows, im still confused.

-Original Message-
From: Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: smpp instead of smtp


Yeah, sorry I didn't clarify what smpp was. Everyone here always seems so
knowledgeable, I just assumed it was known. Anyway, now that it's been
defined (below), does anyone see any way of using it instead of smtp with
qmail? I can manually call qmail-smtpd to send a smtp message and feed it
commands. Could I just replace those commands with smpp ones or does
qmail-smtpd use a specific connecting method (specific to smtp, that is)?
Thanks again.


-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Suo-Anttila [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: smpp instead of smtp


Q: What is SMPP?
A: The Short Message Peer to Peer (SMPP) protocol is an open industry
standard messaging protocol designed to simplify integration of data
applications with wireless mobile networks such as GSM, TDMA, CDMA and PDC.
The protocol is widely deployed in the mobile telecommunications industry.
The SMPP protocol specification is freely available from the Documents
section of this site.

http://www.smpp.org/faq2.htm#Q1



- Original Message -
From: "Peter van Dijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: smpp instead of smtp


> On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:18:14AM -0400, alexus wrote:
> > whats smpp?
>
> It appears to be SMS related. They want my personal data for providing
> me the specs (www.smpp.org) so I didn't download those.
>
> Greetz, Peter.
>

Re: remote smtp problem

[Greg White]

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 05:21:48PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> When ever a remote client tries to send mail thru my qmail box, qmail
> appends a question mark to the end of the domain i.e 
> Sorry, I couldn't find any host named rbi.co.uk?. (#5.1.2)

Doesn't setting 'RELAYCLIENT="?"' do that? Check your tcp rules file...
> 
> It does this before qmail performs nslookup and so qmail cannot find
> anyname.com? because it obviously doesnt exist.

qmail doesn't (thank goodness) 'perform' any 'nslookup'. qmail does use
DNS to lookup MX and/or A records...

> This only occurs when remote agents use the box. Sending mail locally works
> beautifully.

I suspect you'll find the above to be the cause of the problem.
>
SNIP

GW

Re: pop3 connection reset after exactly 1 minute

[Dave Sill]

"Jens Hassler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Same problem. After exactly 1 minute the connection resets.

Try strace'ing the qmail-pop3d process.

>I didn't recompile QMail though, just copied the binaries. Maybe there's a
>problem with one of my compiled files? What files are involved in a POP3
>session? qmail-pop3d and qmail-send?

qmail-pop3d, tcpserver (or inetd/xinetd), qmail-popup, and
checkpasswd, at least. Not qmail-send.

>So, because there is a completely different hardware with a very up-to-date
>Linux and other network cards / drivers, there must be a problem with one of
>my QMail files...?

Or your configuration.

>This thing is ... 

Frustrating? Exasperating?

-Dave

Re: remote smtp problem

[Dave Sill]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>When ever a remote client tries to send mail thru my qmail box, qmail
>appends a question mark to the end of the domain i.e 
>Sorry, I couldn't find any host named rbi.co.uk?. (#5.1.2)

Clients injecting messages via SMTP? Using selective relaying? I'd
guess that "RELAYCLIENT" is being set to " " instead of "" in the
access file (perhaps /etc/tcp.smtp).

-Dave

RE: Newbies vs. arrogant experts (was: Newbie with tcpserver)

[Kirti S. Bajwa]

>> Pointing newbies *politely* to the docs answering their question is
OK--it at least helps teach them to help themselves--but it's tedious
work and it also encourages other newbies to ask FAQ's. Telling a
newbie to RTFM is a flame. Telling a newbie which M to F'ing R is
not. <<

I think pointing to the relevant reading material is good if done without
being rude. Why not to add a line or two as an answers and then direct the
bewbie to the reading material. It breaks the ice and the newbie gets some
encouragement. I know in my case, I read the documents, read them again but
still did not have the answer (it was there but I did not get it... it was
not a good day). When somebody pointed to the same documents, I re-read it
and whoo.. it came to me. 

Some people are good at reading, some need little more push. I do not think
using "F" word helps any. Newbie who ask questions are down because they
believe that there is something HUGE wrong with what they are doing. The
fact is that most of the times, it is something very simple.

I have seen some questions which I thought were just plain basic... then,
just a month or so ago, the same questions were not so basic. 


Kirti



-Original Message-
From: Dave Sill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:25 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Newbies vs. arrogant experts (was: Newbie with tcpserver)


[Barry, the "Re[2]" syntax your mailer uses is non-RFC-compliant.]

Barry Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>First of all: This is the most arrogant list I have come across. All
>the other lists that I'm on help out beginners with a short answer (we
>were all beginners once ... ), but here the beginner is either told to
>RTFM or told to pay for support.

First of all, don't judge the entire list based the actions of a small
nonrepresentative sample.

Second, the offer of commercial support made to Pablo was sent
privately, not to list. Pablo's reposting it publicly is at least as
rude as trolling the list for clients.

>If the beginner can't find the
>relevant section in the FAQ then answers have to be teased out of the
>list, which generates more traffic than one short and helpful mail

>(this thread is a good example of this).

There are at least four schools :

  1) Flame newbies posting FAQ's.
  2) Answer newbies posting FAQ's.
  3) Point newbies to the answers to their FAQ's.
  4) Ignore newbies posting FAQ's.

I've listed them from least effective to most effective, IMO.

Flaming is supposed to be a deterrent--and it might be--but it's just
plain rude.

Answering FAQ's is "nice", but it's tiresome and contributes to
lowering the signal/noise ratio on the list and it encourages other
newbies to ask their FAQ's.

Pointing newbies *politely* to the docs answering their question is
OK--it at least helps teach them to help themselves--but it's tedious
work and it also encourages other newbies to ask FAQ's. Telling a
newbie to RTFM is a flame. Telling a newbie which M to F'ing R is
not.

Ignoring FAQ's is the easiest and safest approach. It encourages the
newbie to search the web, list archives, etc. and doesn't reward
newbies by answering their question. It keeps the signal/noise ratio
high, and it keeps the civility and morale high.

>AFAIK (and I'm no expert), TCPSEVER is configured in the command line,
>and uses /etc/tcp.* files for security & access settings. The manual
>files are installes with the software and can be read with "man
>tcpserver". Else they're in the source directory.

The documentation is on the web. No man pages are included with
ucspi-tcp.

-Dave

Re: remote smtp problem

[Charles Cazabon]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When ever a remote client tries to send mail thru my qmail box, qmail
> appends a question mark to the end of the domain i.e 
> Sorry, I couldn't find any host named rbi.co.uk?. (#5.1.2)

Check your tcpserver rules file; you're probably setting the RELAYCLIENT
environment variable to "?" instead of "" to allow relaying for your IP
address range(s).

Charles
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---

Re: pop3 connection reset after exactly 1 minute

[Charles Cazabon]

Jens Hassler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I would certainly try updating the kernel (to 2.2.19, preferably).
> 
> Okay, I even did something more 'complete'.
> 
> I moved the whole thing to a completely new server. PIII 450, 128 Megs.
> Distribution is Suse 7.1 with Kernel 2.2.18. Network cards are of type 3Com
> 905b.
> 
> Same problem. After exactly 1 minute the connection resets.

Interesting.  Are you perhaps connecting through a firewall or proxy (on a
router, etc)?

> I didn't recompile QMail though, just copied the binaries. Maybe there's a
> problem with one of my compiled files? What files are involved in a POP3
> session? qmail-pop3d and qmail-send?

Well, qmail-pop3d, qmail-popup, checkpassword (or replacement), and tcpserver.
The only ones involved after the initial authentication are tcpserver and
qmail-pop3d.  But you only see this with POP3 connections, not with SMTP
connections (i.e. injecting mail into your box over SMTP)?  If so, and you
have SMTP sessions that don't reset after one minute (it would have to be a
large message), then its not your tcpserver binary.

> So, because there is a completely different hardware with a very up-to-date
> Linux and other network cards / drivers, there must be a problem with one of
> my QMail files...?

Shouldn't be.  This happens for all users, all client software, etc?

> This thing is ... 

Bizarre, perplexing, frustrating, inexplicable, vexing, incomprehensible.
Take your pick.

Charles
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Re: Newbie with tcpserver

[Robin S. Socha]

* Paulo Jan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010510 11:00]:
> Considering the guy's name, perhaps English isn't his primary language
> and he isn't fluent at all with it, which would also explain why he
> wasn't able to express himself politely enough when rejecting the
> "offer" from that consultant, and had to resort to a
> basic-and-apparently-rude-sounding phrase like "I was asking for free
> help". Did that thought cross your mind?

Not for second. I'm German. I don't think.

,[ http://www.es.qmail.org/documentacion/distro/puf/ ]
| Este documento es un listado de respuestas a Preguntas de Uso Frecuente
| relacionadas con qmail, basado enteramente en la FAQ original del autor
| de qmail, D. J.  Bernstein, radicada en http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq.html,
| siendo por tanto más reciente, y conteniendo información más actualizada
| que el fichero FAQ incluido en la distribución de qmail-1.03.·
`

¿Ahora qué, señor? 
-- 
Robin S. Socha - Your Worst Network Nightmare(tm).
`In Germany, they are not referred to as network administrators. They
prefer to be called "Sons Of The Third Reich".' (Kate: www.katewerk.com)

Re: QMail autostart problem

[Dave Sill]

"Neil Whittington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I have created my svscan and qmail startup scripts (see below) in the =
init.d
>directory and set their permissions.
>
>In the rcX.d directories, I have set up the link to svscan  (eg  ln =96=
s
>../init.d/svscan K12svscan )

Which links did you create=3F What is your default runlevel=3F

>Now, when I reboot, qmail doesn't start. If I go into the /etc/rc.d/in=
it.d
>directory and type
>
>./qmail start
>./svscan start
>
>it all runs perfectly. What am I doing wrong=3F

Well, that shouldn't work. The "qmail start" will only work if svscan
(and supervise) is already running. Perhaps you're not starting svscan
first.

-Dave

RE: smpp instead of smtp

[Brett]

Yeah, sorry I didn't clarify what smpp was. Everyone here always seems so
knowledgeable, I just assumed it was known. Anyway, now that it's been
defined (below), does anyone see any way of using it instead of smtp with
qmail? I can manually call qmail-smtpd to send a smtp message and feed it
commands. Could I just replace those commands with smpp ones or does
qmail-smtpd use a specific connecting method (specific to smtp, that is)?
Thanks again.


-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Suo-Anttila [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: smpp instead of smtp


Q: What is SMPP?
A: The Short Message Peer to Peer (SMPP) protocol is an open industry
standard messaging protocol designed to simplify integration of data
applications with wireless mobile networks such as GSM, TDMA, CDMA and PDC.
The protocol is widely deployed in the mobile telecommunications industry.
The SMPP protocol specification is freely available from the Documents
section of this site.

http://www.smpp.org/faq2.htm#Q1



- Original Message -
From: "Peter van Dijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: smpp instead of smtp


> On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:18:14AM -0400, alexus wrote:
> > whats smpp?
>
> It appears to be SMS related. They want my personal data for providing
> me the specs (www.smpp.org) so I didn't download those.
>
> Greetz, Peter.
>

Re: qmail undeliverables - return to sender?

[Greg White]

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:45:45AM -0500, Joy Hundley wrote:
> Hi - I am new to this mailing list and to qmail, so if my question is worded
> incorrectly - please be patient with me.
> 
> I want to have e-mails with an incorrect recipient name/address to be
> returned to the sender immediately -- can this be done?  If so, how?  I
> would prefer not to alter the queuelifetime, as a server down is a different
> problem altogether than an incorrect address.

This should already be done, in both possible cases.

Case 1: Sender relaying from your server*. qmail delivers it, the remote
server bounces it with 5.1.1. (IIRC) No such user, qmail delivers the
bounce. Takes place very quickly.

* Or sending directly from your server, or whatever.

Case 2: Message to your server, with invalid local recipient. qmail
accepts the message, dumps it in the queue, and attempts delivery.
Delivery fails with (again IIRC) 5.1.1., no such user. qmail delivers
bounce to sending SMTP server. Sending SMTP server delivers bounce.
Takes place very quickly.

Which case are you perceiving a problem with?

GW

Re: qmail undeliverables - return to sender?

[Charles Cazabon]

Joy Hundley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I want to have e-mails with an incorrect recipient name/address to be
> returned to the sender immediately -- can this be done?  If so, how?  I
> would prefer not to alter the queuelifetime, as a server down is a different
> problem altogether than an incorrect address.

qmail already does this.

If qmail receives a message (via SMTP, or through qmail-inject, etc) for a
domain which resides on the same machine (the domain is local or virtual), and
the local-part of the address does not match, qmail will inject a bounce
message into the queue and remove the original message from the queue.

If qmail is attempting to deliver a message to a remote server, and the remote
server responds with a permanent failure code (for "No such user", etc), qmail
will inject a bounce message into the queue and remove the original message
from the queue.

Messages only sit in the queue for any significant length of time when either
qmail has trouble establishing a connection to the remote server, qmail is at
its concurrency limit for an extended period of time, or a local or remote
delivery is deferred by a temporary (rather than permanent) error.

Charles
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Re: qmail undeliverables - return to sender?

[Remo Mattei]

Joy Hundley wrote:

> Hi - I am new to this mailing list and to qmail, so if my question is worded
> incorrectly - please be patient with me.
>
> I want to have e-mails with an incorrect recipient name/address to be
> returned to the sender immediately -- can this be done?  If so, how?  I
> would prefer not to alter the queuelifetime, as a server down is a different
> problem altogether than an incorrect address.
>
> Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  :)
>
> Joy Hundley
> Internet Services
> Service Transport
> 800-528-1616 ext. 240
>
>  Visit us on the Web at www.service-transport.com

you need to use the .qmail-default. So I would read up the DOC.

REMO

remote smtp problem

[Jonathan . Coker]

When ever a remote 
client tries to send mail thru my qmail box, qmail appends a question mark to 
the end of the domain i.e 

Sorry, I couldn't find any host named rbi.co.uk?. (#5.1.2)
It does this before 
qmail performs nslookup and so qmail cannot find anyname.com? because 
it obviously doesnt exist.
This only occurs when 
remote agents use the box. Sending mail locally works 
beautifully.
Any 
thoughts.
Thanks in 
advance.

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Re: pop3 connection reset after exactly 1 minute

[Jens Hassler]

Hi Charles,

> I would certainly try updating the kernel (to 2.2.19,
> preferably).

Okay, I even did something more 'complete'.

I moved the whole thing to a completely new server. PIII 450, 128 Megs.
Distribution is Suse 7.1 with Kernel 2.2.18. Network cards are of type 3Com
905b.

Same problem. After exactly 1 minute the connection resets.

I didn't recompile QMail though, just copied the binaries. Maybe there's a
problem with one of my compiled files? What files are involved in a POP3
session? qmail-pop3d and qmail-send?

So, because there is a completely different hardware with a very up-to-date
Linux and other network cards / drivers, there must be a problem with one of
my QMail files...?

This thing is ... 


Thx,
Jens

Re: Re[2]: Newbie with tcpserver

[Travis Turner]

Can anyone get a burnt pot or just Robin.  I have three at home but I am 
always looking to improve my collection.
I don't know if it is the time I have spent on this list or what but the 
humor is *definitely* starting to improve.

./trav

No one has landed on the moon, its a CIA conspiracy.

At 01:14 AM 5/11/2001 +1000, you wrote:
> > Thank you very much. 7 more Yahoo! sigs for my collection. You're *such*
> > a tool, Barry...
>
>Your signatures are just as stupid, and you're an utter tool too. Send an 
>empty
>message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and collect the whole set!
>But that's not all - if you subscribe in the next 20 minutes, you'll 
>receive an
>assortment of burnt pots and black kettles.
>
>

qmail undeliverables - return to sender?

[Joy Hundley]

Hi - I am new to this mailing list and to qmail, so if my question is worded
incorrectly - please be patient with me.

I want to have e-mails with an incorrect recipient name/address to be
returned to the sender immediately -- can this be done?  If so, how?  I
would prefer not to alter the queuelifetime, as a server down is a different
problem altogether than an incorrect address.

Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  :)

Joy Hundley
Internet Services
Service Transport
800-528-1616 ext. 240

 Visit us on the Web at www.service-transport.com

Re: mailing list

[Karsten W. Rohrbach]

ed lim([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.05.09 11:28:16 +:
> Hi,
> 
> I need a mailing list to send to our millions of subscribers... I am already 
>using ezmlm but I'm still open for suggestions on a much simpler or better one. 
ezmlm-idx with mysql support and the subscriber lists in a database.
considering the larger overhead of an sql server, i was thinking about
stuffing subscriber lists in a cdb hash from the sql db. in this case,
one can easily edit the subscription lists with a www frontend _and_
have quite some performance boost on ezmlm by not looking up subscribers
via expensive sql sessions.
does this make sense?
/k

-- 
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> close it upon something solid. Otherwise, it could end up like a city
> sewer, rejecting nothing. -- G. K. Chesterton 
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Re: Newbie with tcpserver

[Paulo Jan]

"Robin S. Socha" wrote:
> 
> * Pablo Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010510 08:08]:
> > --- Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
> > > intrested for small price we will do it
> > No, I am not interested to pay for it.
> 
> Let me rephrase that: "I am an idiot. I also want free support for an
> application which I intend to run in a commercial environment." Do I
> understand you correctly?
> 
> > I was waiting for free help.
> 
> I presume you've read http://cr.yp.to/lists.html - it says "Please read
> FAQ, PIC.*, and the other documentation in the qmail package before
> sending your question to the qmail mailing list." You do not even leave
> the impression of having basic reading ability. 


Considering the guy's name, perhaps English isn't his primary language
and he isn't fluent at all with it, which would also explain why he
wasn't able to express himself politely enough when rejecting the
"offer" from that consultant, and had to resort to a
basic-and-apparently-rude-sounding phrase like "I was asking for free
help". Did that thought cross your mind?



Paulo Jan.
DDnet.

Re: Re[2]: Newbie with tcpserver

[Jason Brooke]

> Thank you very much. 7 more Yahoo! sigs for my collection. You're *such*
> a tool, Barry...

Your signatures are just as stupid, and you're an utter tool too. Send an empty
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and collect the whole set!
But that's not all - if you subscribe in the next 20 minutes, you'll receive an
assortment of burnt pots and black kettles.

Re: QMail autostart problem

[Charles Cazabon]

Neil Whittington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a problem auto starting qmail. I am using v1.03 and Daemontools v0.7
> on Open Linux 2.3

Not really a qmail question; it would be better suited to ask on a list
dedicated to your OS, or one which uses the same SysV-like init scripts.

> In the rcX.d directories, I have set up the link to svscan  (eg  ln –s
> ../init.d/svscan K12svscan )

This doesn't start anything when entering that runlevel; it _stops_ it when
_exiting_ it.  If your system has chkconfig, read the manual page for that and
use it instead of managing the symlinks manually.

Charles
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Virus Alert!

[Rick Stanley]

Attention!  Virus Alert!

USE QMAIL-SCANNER!!!

 From:  "Okan CIMEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Intended Recipient (To):  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Infected File: EJAFKAEJ.EXE
 Virus:  W32/Hybris.gen@MM

[Part of a from letter sent to all twits who allow viruses to be attached 
to an E-Mail message!]

The attachment listed above, that you sent to the intended recipient, 
listed above, contains a virus!  I have noted the virus that caused the 
infection.  This virus HAS NOT BEEN ALLOWED to infect our system.

We must insist that you have your systems cleaned prior to any sending ANY 
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Re: qmail-clean

[Charles Cazabon]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> When I try to "qmail-clean" the outgoing queue, isn't it supposed to flush
> all the messages in the queue for me?

No, that is not what it is supposed to do.  `man qmail-send`

Charles
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RE: Newbie with tcpserver

[Hubbard, David]

It's arrogant to expect people to actually look
at instructions before soliciting "free" help?  I
mean if he actually was able to get tcpserver
installed, he obviously knows how to use a web
browser since he must have downloaded it, and
if that's the case, it is not much more trouble
to go one click deeper on the ucspi-tcp page:
http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp.html
to find the tcpserver manual:
http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp/tcpserver.html

What do you want?  People to sit here and tell
him, please go back to where you downloaded it
from and use the thing called a 'mouse' to 'click'
on this stuff called 'text' that says "The tcpserver
program"?

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Barry Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Pablo Buenaventura
Subject: Re[2]: Newbie with tcpserver


Hi,


First of all: This is the most arrogant list I have come across. All
the other lists that I'm on help out beginners with a short answer (we
were all beginners once ... ), but here the beginner is either told to
RTFM or told to pay for support. If the beginner can't find the
relevant section in the FAQ then answers have to be teased out of the
list, which generates more traffic than one short and helpful mail
(this thread is a good example of this).


Regarding the tcpserver question:

AFAIK (and I'm no expert), TCPSEVER is configured in the command line,
and uses /etc/tcp.* files for security & access settings. The manual
files are installes with the software and can be read with "man
tcpserver". Else they're in the source directory.


Regards,

 Barry

PS: Flames will be directed to /dev/null but sensible comments will be
considered.

PPS: I've included the whole thread ONLY to demonstrate the above
 statement.

Re: notification of new email whenever user logs in on the shell

[Charles Cazabon]

alexus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > basically somehow i need to show to user that there is a new mail for
> > > him/her whenever user logs in

> does it matter that i no longer have /var/mail/$userid? and i have Maildir
> instead?

Yes, that's it.  $HOME/Maildir/ makes it trivial to see if you have new
messages; when you login, if there are files in $HOME/Maildir/new/, there's
new mail.  If there's files in $HOME/Maildir/cur/, you have old (seen) mail.
If you want to get fancy, you can code this type of check (with whatever
output messages you want) into a system-wide shell .rc file.

I have a Python script I use for this purpose, which checks multiple Maildirs
and presents a summary of current and new messages in each.  Send me a message
off-list if you want a copy.

Charles
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Newbies vs. arrogant experts (was: Newbie with tcpserver)

[Dave Sill]

[Barry, the "Re[2]" syntax your mailer uses is non-RFC-compliant.]

Barry Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>First of all: This is the most arrogant list I have come across. All
>the other lists that I'm on help out beginners with a short answer (we
>were all beginners once ... ), but here the beginner is either told to
>RTFM or told to pay for support.

First of all, don't judge the entire list based the actions of a small
nonrepresentative sample.

Second, the offer of commercial support made to Pablo was sent
privately, not to list. Pablo's reposting it publicly is at least as
rude as trolling the list for clients.

>If the beginner can't find the
>relevant section in the FAQ then answers have to be teased out of the
>list, which generates more traffic than one short and helpful mail
>(this thread is a good example of this).

There are at least four schools :

  1) Flame newbies posting FAQ's.
  2) Answer newbies posting FAQ's.
  3) Point newbies to the answers to their FAQ's.
  4) Ignore newbies posting FAQ's.

I've listed them from least effective to most effective, IMO.

Flaming is supposed to be a deterrent--and it might be--but it's just
plain rude.

Answering FAQ's is "nice", but it's tiresome and contributes to
lowering the signal/noise ratio on the list and it encourages other
newbies to ask their FAQ's.

Pointing newbies *politely* to the docs answering their question is
OK--it at least helps teach them to help themselves--but it's tedious
work and it also encourages other newbies to ask FAQ's. Telling a
newbie to RTFM is a flame. Telling a newbie which M to F'ing R is
not.

Ignoring FAQ's is the easiest and safest approach. It encourages the
newbie to search the web, list archives, etc. and doesn't reward
newbies by answering their question. It keeps the signal/noise ratio
high, and it keeps the civility and morale high.

>AFAIK (and I'm no expert), TCPSEVER is configured in the command line,
>and uses /etc/tcp.* files for security & access settings. The manual
>files are installes with the software and can be read with "man
>tcpserver". Else they're in the source directory.

The documentation is on the web. No man pages are included with
ucspi-tcp.

-Dave

Sorry to all qmail list members

[Pablo Buenaventura]

Hi All,

I really apologise for all the noise I could do for my
mistake in the list.

Next time I will be more carefull.

Sorry again,

Pablo

 

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Re: Newbie with tcpserver

[Henning Brauer]

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 02:42:10PM +0100, Barry Hill wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> First of all: This is the most arrogant list I have come across. All
> the other lists that I'm on help out beginners with a short answer (we
> were all beginners once ... ), but here the beginner is either told to
> RTFM or told to pay for support. 

That's what documentation is for. If isn't able to read docs or doesn't want
that, he has to get paid support.


> Regarding the tcpserver question:
> 
> AFAIK (and I'm no expert), TCPSEVER is configured in the command line,
> and uses /etc/tcp.* files for security & access settings. 

Not necessary. Read http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp.html

> The manual
> files are installes with the software and can be read with "man
> tcpserver". 

Wrong. The documentation is online at http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp.html

> Else they're in the source directory.

Wrong. See above.

-- 
* Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.bsws.de *
* Roedingsmarkt 14, 20459 Hamburg, Germany   *
Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity.
(Dennis Ritchie)

Re: Re[2]: Newbie with tcpserver

[Robin S. Socha]

* Barry Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010510 08:58]:
> First of all: This is the most arrogant list I have come across. All
> the other lists that I'm on help out beginners with a short answer (we
> were all beginners once ... ), but here the beginner is either told to
> RTFM or told to pay for support. 

http://cr.yp.to/lists.html: "Please read FAQ, PIC.*, and the other
documentation in the qmail package before sending your question to the
qmail mailing list." And: "There is a hypertext archive of the mailing
list at ORNL". Which part of this paragraph do you not understand,
Barry?

> Regarding the tcpserver question:
> 
> AFAIK (and I'm no expert), TCPSEVER is configured in the command line,
> and uses /etc/tcp.* files for security & access settings. 

Did you ever read http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp/tcpserver.html?

> The manual files are installes with the software and can be read with
> "man tcpserver". Else they're in the source directory.

(robin@mail1):(~/Compile)$ wget http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp/ucspi-tcp-0.88.tar.gz
09:03:14 (176.71 KB/s) - `ucspi-tcp-0.88.tar.gz' saved [53019/53019]

(robin@mail1):(~/Compile)$ tar tzf ucspi-tcp-0.88.tar.gz | grep '\.1'$
(robin@mail1):(~/Compile)$ 

Sure, Barry. In my world, however, they were kindly provided by Gerrit
Pape of innominate at ftp://ftp.innominate.org/gpa/djb/.

> PS: Flames will be directed to /dev/null but sensible comments will be
> considered.

I love you too, Barry.

> PPS: I've included the whole thread ONLY to demonstrate the above
>  statement.

Thank you very much. 7 more Yahoo! sigs for my collection. You're *such*
a tool, Barry...

Re: Newbie with tcpserver

[Robin S. Socha]

* Pablo Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010510 08:08]:
> --- Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: 
> > intrested for small price we will do it
> No, I am not interested to pay for it.

Let me rephrase that: "I am an idiot. I also want free support for an
application which I intend to run in a commercial environment." Do I
understand you correctly?

> I was waiting for free help.

I presume you've read http://cr.yp.to/lists.html - it says "Please read
FAQ, PIC.*, and the other documentation in the qmail package before
sending your question to the qmail mailing list." You do not even leave
the impression of having basic reading ability. I walked someone through
installing qmail over the phone last night. 10 minutes. *WHAT* was your
question again? And read http://learn.to/edit_messages/ before you reply.
-- 
Robin S. Socha - Your Worst Network Nightmare(tm).
`In Germany, they are not referred to as network administrators. They
prefer to be called "Sons Of The Third Reich".' (Kate: www.katewerk.com)

RE: Fw:

[Bill Andersen]

Robin,

  How damn ironic!  You preach and preach to these guys about
  send unadulterated, unedited examples to the list and the
  one frickin guy who actually DOES - sends a virus!

  I know you always try to make this list idiot proof, but I
  think we just _found_ that "better idiot!". :)
  

-Original Message-
From: Robin S. Socha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fw:


* Okan CIMEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010510 03:11]:
> *** DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT***

If you are 99% certain that you're sending a virus, WHY DO YOU SEND IT?
If you can be 99% sure that at least 5 "administrators" whose users are
subscribed to this list are idiots with misconfigured virus scanners,
WHY DO YOU SEND IT?

> Our e-mail users receive lots of e-mails with no subject nor from
> adress but just an attachment. Below is an example I have received
> before. As you may see there are no "from" or "subject" information
> available. The only clue is the .exe attachment with a random name
> written in capital letters.

Which documents about qmail and UCE prevention did you read before you
asked here? There are several on http://qmail.org/.

> How can I block these e-mails?

When all else fails, man procmail. But you don't leave the impression
that you'll understand it. I'll get some popcorn while the "our L33t
virus sc4nn3r has found some virus that can't affect you because you're
not running commercial software from Redmon" hit this list. Again.
Thank you *very* much.

Re[2]: Newbie with tcpserver

[Barry Hill]

Hi,


First of all: This is the most arrogant list I have come across. All
the other lists that I'm on help out beginners with a short answer (we
were all beginners once ... ), but here the beginner is either told to
RTFM or told to pay for support. If the beginner can't find the
relevant section in the FAQ then answers have to be teased out of the
list, which generates more traffic than one short and helpful mail
(this thread is a good example of this).


Regarding the tcpserver question:

AFAIK (and I'm no expert), TCPSEVER is configured in the command line,
and uses /etc/tcp.* files for security & access settings. The manual
files are installes with the software and can be read with "man
tcpserver". Else they're in the source directory.


Regards,

 Barry

PS: Flames will be directed to /dev/null but sensible comments will be
considered.

PPS: I've included the whole thread ONLY to demonstrate the above
 statement.





Thursday, May 10, 2001, 1:34:30 PM, you wrote:

PB> No, I am not interested to pay for it.

PB> I was waiting for free help.

PB> Regards,

PB> Pablo


PB> --- Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > intrested
PB> for small price we will do it
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Pablo Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: Newbie with tcpserver
>> 
>> 
>> > I am running RH7.0
>> >
>> >
>> > --- Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: >
>> looking
>> > for some commercial, we will setup and give
>> > > you for small charge
>> > > if you are running on redhat linux
>> > >
>> > > - Original Message -
>> > > From: Pablo Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > To: Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:02 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: Newbie with tcpserver
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Sorry Vinient,
>> > > >
>> > > > what do you mean?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --- Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: >
>> > > looking
>> > > > for small price give me off line list
>> > > > > - Original Message -
>> > > > > From: Pablo Buenaventura
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:26 PM
>> > > > > Subject: Newbie with tcpserver
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Hi All,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I´ve been reading "Life with Qmail" and I
>> am
>> > > > > trying to
>> > > > > > configurate qmail in my office.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The first problem I found out was about
>> > > tcpserver.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 1. How to configurate it?
>> > > > > > 2. Where? In which file?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Many thanks for your time,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Pablo
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
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Re: Omitting certain headers in outgoing mails?

[Wolfgang Zeikat]

In the previous episode (10.05.2001), Robin S. Socha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> * Wolfgang Zeikat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010510 00:05]:
> > some MUA's add headers to outgoing mails:
> > 
> > Netscape mail under Linux adds
> > Sender: real_username@host
> > 
> > Pine adds
> > X-Sender: real_username@host
> > which can be customized to
> > Sender: real_username@host
> > 
> > can i have qmail remove those headers in outgoing mails?
> 
> Also, it is debatable whether this entry
> should be removed at all.

i dont want to debate that, but simply remove them.

> Judging from your previous posts, your real
> problem appears to be that your network setup is broken.

why do you think so?

wolfgang

Re: Newbie with tcpserver

[Pablo Buenaventura]

No, I am not interested to pay for it.

I was waiting for free help.

Regards,

Pablo


--- Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > intrested
for small price we will do it
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Pablo Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Newbie with tcpserver
> 
> 
> > I am running RH7.0
> >
> >
> > --- Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: >
> looking
> > for some commercial, we will setup and give
> > > you for small charge
> > > if you are running on redhat linux
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Pablo Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Newbie with tcpserver
> > >
> > >
> > > > Sorry Vinient,
> > > >
> > > > what do you mean?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: >
> > > looking
> > > > for small price give me off line list
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: Pablo Buenaventura
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: Newbie with tcpserver
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I´ve been reading "Life with Qmail" and I
> am
> > > > > trying to
> > > > > > configurate qmail in my office.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The first problem I found out was about
> > > tcpserver.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. How to configurate it?
> > > > > > 2. Where? In which file?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Many thanks for your time,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pablo
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at
> > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com
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> > >
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> >
> >
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Re: Newbie with tcpserver

[Pablo Buenaventura]

I am running RH7.0


--- Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > looking
for some commercial, we will setup and give
> you for small charge
> if you are running on redhat linux
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Pablo Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Newbie with tcpserver
> 
> 
> > Sorry Vinient,
> >
> > what do you mean?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: >
> looking
> > for small price give me off line list
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Pablo Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:26 PM
> > > Subject: Newbie with tcpserver
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I´ve been reading "Life with Qmail" and I am
> > > trying to
> > > > configurate qmail in my office.
> > > >
> > > > The first problem I found out was about
> tcpserver.
> > > >
> > > > 1. How to configurate it?
> > > > 2. Where? In which file?
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks for your time,
> > > >
> > > > Pablo
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
___
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> > > > Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicación instantánea
> gratis
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> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at
> > > http://mail.yahoo.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Newbie with tcpserver

[Pablo Buenaventura]

Sorry Vinient,

what do you mean?



--- Vinient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > looking
for small price give me off line list
> - Original Message -
> From: Pablo Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:26 PM
> Subject: Newbie with tcpserver
> 
> 
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I´ve been reading "Life with Qmail" and I am
> trying to
> > configurate qmail in my office.
> >
> > The first problem I found out was about tcpserver.
> >
> > 1. How to configurate it?
> > 2. Where? In which file?
> >
> > Many thanks for your time,
> >
> > Pablo
> >
> >
>
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Re: qmail-clean

[Peter van Dijk]

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:34:35PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  When I try to "qmail-clean" the outgoing queue, isn't it supposed
> to flush all the
> messages in the queue for me?  But nothing happened!  Did I miss
> something since I
> simply gave the command, qmail-clean?

qmail-clean is used by qmail-send. You shouldn't call it yourself.

Greetz, Peter.

Re: QMail Delivering Mail to Incorrect Addresses?

[Johan Almqvist]

* Kalle Kivimaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010509 20:49]:
> We recently ran across a serious problem which seems to be QMail-related.  We 
> had to take quick action against the most recent batch of vbs-viruses going 
> around at the moment by manually removing the virus mails from the QMail 
> queue.  Either because of this or simply at the same time several incoming 
> mails were incorretly routed, both to wrong mailboxes and - more severly - 
> even to outside addresses.  Has anybody any idea what might be going on?

That's what happens if you mess with the queue.

DO NOT MESS WITH THE qmail QUEUE.

Or, at the very least, stop qmail and be very sure that you understand
EXACTLY what you are doing.

Even qmHandle (from www.qmai.org) has broken my queue once.

You need to run a queue-fixing tool (available from www.qmail.org).
Alternatively, to be really sure, rm -rf /var/qmail/queue (note that this
removes all messages in the queue) and make a new queue dir from the
sources.

Note that qmHandle and queue-fix need patches if you have big-todo.

-Johan
-- 
Johan Almqvist
http://www.almqvist.net/johan/qmail/

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RE:

[Willy De la Court]

.
hmm Sending virus files to a mailing list.
How stupid can you get.


On Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:02, Okan CIMEN [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> *** DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT***
> 
> Our e-mail users receive lots of e-mails with no subject nor from adress but
> just an attachment. Below is an example I have received before. As you may
> see there are no "from" or "subject" information available. The only clue is
> the .exe attachment with a random name written in capital letters.
> 
> How can I block these e-mails?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Okan
> 
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:11 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
>  << File: EJAFKAEJ.EXE >> 

Newbie with tcpserver

[Pablo Buenaventura]

Hi All,

I´ve been reading "Life with Qmail" and I am trying to
configurate qmail in my office.

The first problem I found out was about tcpserver.

1. How to configurate it?
2. Where? In which file?

Many thanks for your time,

Pablo

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Re: qmail retry

[Jamyn]

While I believe you are aware of this, your statement is
perhaps a bit misleading, and may be misunderstood by
Evelyn.

$qmail_home/control/concurrencyremote
 The number you insert into this file determines how
 many remote sockets/connections at a time your mail
 server will open.  For example:
 echo "30" > /var/qmail/control/concurrencyremote
 .. will tell Qmail that it's only allowed to open up 30
 outgoing connections maximum, while delivering mail
 to other machines on the internet.  This serves as a
 'brake', to avoid opening too many mail connections
 to other hosts.  Keep this number resonable though;
 for example, if one of your users sends an email that's
 CC'ed to 200 people @aol.com, and your mailserver has
 its concurrencyremote set to >= 200, it will open up
 200 connections (or however many are available up
 to the maximum set here) to AOL's mailserver.
 Although AOL can handle that, some mailservers are
 not so... robust.

$qmail_home/control/concurrencylocal
 The number you insert into this file determines how
 many local/incoming mail connections you want Qmail
 to allow at a time.  If that number of incoming
 SMTP connections is reached, Qmail will refuse additional
 connections until the number is =< this number.  This
 functions as a 'brake' to avoid overloading your system
 with incoming mail connections.

To clarify, concurrencylocal and concurrencyremote do not affect
how many times qmail tries to deliver a particular email; those
variables only affect how many connections in/out you are willing
to sustain.

- Jamyn

At 11:18 AM 5/10/01 +0300, Okan CIMEN wrote:
>You must go to $qmail_home  directory (mostly /var/qmail) and then the
>control folder. As you can guess queuelifetime file contains the time
>information for trying to send the mail -in seconds-. Concurrency local is
>the max. simultaneous local deliverty tries. Concurrencyremote is the max
>simultaneous remote deliverty tries..
>
>Also you can edit the $qmail_home/alias/.qmail-postmaster,
>$qmail_home/alias/.qmail-mailer-deamon, $qmail_home/alias/.qmail-root files
>and enter the e-mail addresses you want as the administrator.
>
>Okan
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:51 AM
>Subject: qmail retry
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >  How can I set up the minimal retry time, the time for sending
>delivery
> > failure notice and the
> > time when qmail gives up delivering the message stay undelivered in the
> > outgoing queue??
> > Also, how can I set up the email account for the qmail administrator?
> >  Thanks a lot!  Please please answer these questions for me!
> >
> > Evelyn Huang
> >
> >

QMail Delivering Mail to Incorrect Addresses?

[Kalle Kivimaa]

We recently ran across a serious problem which seems to be QMail-related.  We 
had to take quick action against the most recent batch of vbs-viruses going 
around at the moment by manually removing the virus mails from the QMail 
queue.  Either because of this or simply at the same time several incoming 
mails were incorretly routed, both to wrong mailboxes and - more severly - 
even to outside addresses.  Has anybody any idea what might be going on?

-- 
Kalle KivimaaWork: +358 (0) 201 500 761
Senior Software Designer Fax: +358 (0) 201 500 799
Akumiitti Telematics Ltd.http://www.akumiitti.fi
Salomonkatu 17 B 3.krs, FI-00100 Helsinki, Finland

Re: Omitting certain headers in outgoing mails?

[Robin S. Socha]

* Wolfgang Zeikat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010510 00:05]:
> some MUA's add headers to outgoing mails:
> 
> Netscape mail under Linux adds
> Sender: real_username@host
> 
> Pine adds
> X-Sender: real_username@host
> which can be customized to
> Sender: real_username@host
> 
> can i have qmail remove those headers in outgoing mails?

UTSL or use a non-broken MUA. Also, it is debatable whether this entry
should be removed at all. Judging from your previous posts, your real
problem appears to be that your network setup is broken. Fix it - don't
fsck -9 the symptoms.

Also, DO NOT START NEW THREADS WITH REPLY. Here is what you achieve:

  25   X 010509 David Means   ( 27) Re: notification of new email whenever user 
logs in on the shell
  26   X 010510 Wolfgang Zeikat   ( 16) |->Omitting certain headers in outgoing mails? 
 
  27   X 010510 alexus( 41) `->Re: notification of new email whenever user 
logs in on the shell 
  28   X 010510 Okan CIMEN(  8)   `->no from imformation   
 
  29   X 010510 Peter van Dijk(  9) `->
 
  30   X 010510 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( 11)   `->qmail retry   
 

qmail-clean

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi,

 When I try to "qmail-clean" the outgoing queue, isn't it supposed
to flush all the
messages in the queue for me?  But nothing happened!  Did I miss
something since I
simply gave the command, qmail-clean?
 Thank you!

Evelyn Huang

Re: Blocking relayed mail with no From field?

[Jamyn]

Though I understand you are providing an example of
what you meant, perhaps it would have been better to
rename it "16e547f1.w95-hybris-worm-exe" or something
similar, instead of sending a live copy of it unaltered to the
mailing list.  Then again, the majority here read from mutt
etc, so risk is pretty minimal.

OTOH, If people are crazy enough to unknown attachments
in unknown emails, as well as not using an Antivirus program
on windows.. well... hehe.

Regardless, You may want to take a look at Amavis,
Qmail-Scanner, or some of the other scanning options
available.

http://www.qmail.org/top.html#microsoft

HBDEV offers a free license for their antivirus program on *nix,
as long as it's for personal use.  It seems to work well, and
I believe both Amavis and Qmail-Scanner support it.

I know this doesn't address your question of 'how do I
block relayed mail with a blank from field', but perhaps
you will still find it somewhat useful.

- Jamyn

At 11:02 AM 5/10/01 +0300, you wrote:
>*** DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT***
>
>Our e-mail users receive lots of e-mails with no subject nor from adress but
>just an attachment. Below is an example I have received before. As you may
>see there are no "from" or "subject" information available. The only clue is
>the .exe attachment with a random name written in capital letters.
>
>How can I block these e-mails?
>
>Regards
>
>Okan
>
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:11 AM
> >

Re: Fw:

[Robin S. Socha]

* Okan CIMEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010510 03:11]:
> *** DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT***

If you are 99% certain that you're sending a virus, WHY DO YOU SEND IT?
If you can be 99% sure that at least 5 "administrators" whose users are
subscribed to this list are idiots with misconfigured virus scanners,
WHY DO YOU SEND IT?

> Our e-mail users receive lots of e-mails with no subject nor from
> adress but just an attachment. Below is an example I have received
> before. As you may see there are no "from" or "subject" information
> available. The only clue is the .exe attachment with a random name
> written in capital letters.

Which documents about qmail and UCE prevention did you read before you
asked here? There are several on http://qmail.org/.

> How can I block these e-mails?

When all else fails, man procmail. But you don't leave the impression
that you'll understand it. I'll get some popcorn while the "our L33t
virus sc4nn3r has found some virus that can't affect you because you're
not running commercial software from Redmon" hit this list. Again.
Thank you *very* much.

Re: qmail retry

[Jamyn]

At 03:51 PM 5/10/01 +0800, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>  How can I set up the minimal retry time,
>the time for sending delivery failure notice

I believe This is best left to Qmail's own logic.
However, if you want to tell Qmail to reprocess
the queue, send an alarm to qmail-send.  If you
followed the directions on LifeWithQmail, it's as
easy as 'qmail doqueue' to get it to reprocess.

I'm sure there's a way to change the other settings
in the source somewhere, but qmail's logic seems
to do pretty well in general.

>and the time when qmail gives up delivering
>the message stay undelivered in the
>outgoing queue??
http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html#configuration ; "queuelifetime"


>Also, how can I set up the email account for the qmail administrator?

I'm glad you placed that question last; it was discouraging.
Perhaps you are unaware of the LWQ site, so I'll point you
over there: http://www.lifewithqmail.org .  If you've not seen
it before, spend a little time there - it'll help you understand
how to work with Qmail a little better.  Hope this helps,

- Jamyn

Re: Fw:

[Peter van Dijk]

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:02:14AM +0300, Okan CIMEN wrote:
> *** DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT***
> 
> Our e-mail users receive lots of e-mails with no subject nor from adress but
> just an attachment. Below is an example I have received before. As you may
> see there are no "from" or "subject" information available. The only clue is
> the .exe attachment with a random name written in capital letters.
> 
> How can I block these e-mails?

Are you FUCKING NUTS? You just DELIBERATELY spread a virus on the
qmail list.

Get the fuck OUT OF HERE.

Greetz, Peter [who doesn't apologize for the caps].

Re: qmail retry

[Okan CIMEN]

You must go to $qmail_home  directory (mostly /var/qmail) and then the
control folder. As you can guess queuelifetime file contains the time
information for trying to send the mail -in seconds-. Concurrency local is
the max. simultaneous local deliverty tries. Concurrencyremote is the max
simultaneous remote deliverty tries..

Also you can edit the $qmail_home/alias/.qmail-postmaster,
$qmail_home/alias/.qmail-mailer-deamon, $qmail_home/alias/.qmail-root files
and enter the e-mail addresses you want as the administrator.

Okan


- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:51 AM
Subject: qmail retry


> Hi,
>
>  How can I set up the minimal retry time, the time for sending
delivery
> failure notice and the
> time when qmail gives up delivering the message stay undelivered in the
> outgoing queue??
> Also, how can I set up the email account for the qmail administrator?
>  Thanks a lot!  Please please answer these questions for me!
>
> Evelyn Huang
>
>

ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found and action taken.

[System Attendant]

ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has detected virus-infected attachment(s).

Sender = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recipient(s) = [EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject = 
Scanning Time = 05/10/2001 16:08:23

Action on virus found:
The attachment EJAFKAEJ.EXE exists TROJ_HYBRIS.B virus. ScanMail has Moved
it.  The attachment was moved to d:\Virus\EJAFKAEJ3afa4c765.EXE_.

Warning to recipient. ScanMail detected a virus in an email attachment and
has been removed!  If this mail is from Internet, the sender don't know
his/her mail consists of virus and has been removed.  Please ask the sender
to clean and re-send.

Fw:

[Okan CIMEN]

*** DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT***

Our e-mail users receive lots of e-mails with no subject nor from adress but
just an attachment. Below is an example I have received before. As you may
see there are no "from" or "subject" information available. The only clue is
the .exe attachment with a random name written in capital letters.

How can I block these e-mails?

Regards

Okan

>
> - Original Message -
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:11 AM
>
>
>
>

 EJAFKAEJ.EXE

qmail retry

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi,

 How can I set up the minimal retry time, the time for sending delivery
failure notice and the
time when qmail gives up delivering the message stay undelivered in the
outgoing queue??
Also, how can I set up the email account for the qmail administrator?
 Thanks a lot!  Please please answer these questions for me!

Evelyn Huang

Re: smpp instead of smtp

[Jeremy Suo-Anttila]

Q: What is SMPP?
A: The Short Message Peer to Peer (SMPP) protocol is an open industry
standard messaging protocol designed to simplify integration of data
applications with wireless mobile networks such as GSM, TDMA, CDMA and PDC.
The protocol is widely deployed in the mobile telecommunications industry.
The SMPP protocol specification is freely available from the Documents
section of this site.

http://www.smpp.org/faq2.htm#Q1



- Original Message -
From: "Peter van Dijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: smpp instead of smtp


> On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:18:14AM -0400, alexus wrote:
> > whats smpp?
>
> It appears to be SMS related. They want my personal data for providing
> me the specs (www.smpp.org) so I didn't download those.
>
> Greetz, Peter.
>

Re: no from imformation

[Peter van Dijk]

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:13:30AM +0300, Okan CIMEN wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> How can I block the senders whom "from" information is not available?  I
> hope I am clear.

I'm sorry, you are not. Please elaborate.

Greetz, Peter.

no from imformation

[Okan CIMEN]

Hello,

How can I block the senders whom "from" information is not available?  I
hope I am clear.
Regards

Okan