Re: recordio
On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 06:49:02AM +0100, Ross Cooney wrote: On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 11:17:14AM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote: Ross Cooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guess wrong -- that puts recordio as the port number for tcpserver to listen on. recordio should go immediately before qmail-smtpd. [...] This it? Why don't you try it and see? Wouldn't that have been easier than mailing back to the list and asking if it will work? Why dont you stop being such an asshole and either help or shutup. You've got a lot of nerve there, dipwit, to call Charles an asshole. He is probably the #1 contributor to this list these days, and calling him names isn't going to make you any friends here. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Help stop animal abuse at Petco! http://flounder.net/publickey.html | http://www.mickaboofriends.org GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A |
Re: recordio
On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 08:52:25AM +0100, Ross Cooney wrote: I agree that Charles has helped a large number of people over the year here...some would say that he is a profilic poster. Butwhy is he so short when people ask real questions?? You didn't ask a real question, you asked a FAQ, one that is answered right in Dan's FAQ at http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq/servers.html#recordio. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Help stop animal abuse at Petco! http://flounder.net/publickey.html | http://www.mickaboofriends.org GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A |
[OT] Re: deleting messages from the queue
On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:33:45PM -0400, Dave Sill wrote: Pigs are fairly intelligent[1], as anyone who knows farm animals will tell you. Birds, on the other hand, are notoriously dim (bird brain, for example). That's not very accurate. I keep birds (specifically, parrots) as pets, and I find that they are extremely intelligent. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Help stop animal abuse at Petco! http://flounder.net/publickey.html | http://www.mickaboofriends.org GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A |
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 10:31:15AM -0400, Dave 'Duke of URL' Weiner wrote: Yes, lots of clueless people use Windows and Windows MUA's. But some of use also use Windows and Windows MUA's, and *DO* have a clue. No, anyone still using Microsoft products after they have seen the light of *nix just hasn't gotten it yet. I was like you for about a year, defending my outlook-express, because I liked it. Then I started using mutt and found out what a *real* MUA can do. In short, anyone who claims they are a UNIX person and still uses MS software for their MUA is just a poseur, that's all. I bet you use pico too. Don't get me wrong, there are valid uses for 'doze, but reading your mail isn't one of them. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Help stop animal abuse at Petco! http://flounder.net/publickey.html | http://www.mickaboofriends.org GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A |
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 04:18:27PM -0400, Dave 'Duke of URL' Weiner wrote: In short, anyone who claims they are a UNIX person and still uses MS software for their MUA is just a poseur, that's all. I bet you use pico too. Well, you're entitled to your opinion. And so am I, and you're being an asshole :) Was I right about pico? --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Help stop animal abuse at Petco! http://flounder.net/publickey.html | http://www.mickaboofriends.org GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A |
Re: ESTORNO BONUS TAQUARAL
On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 04:59:24PM -0600, Jerry Lynde wrote: Get Wilson!! Drop him in badmailfrom !! quick!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ) I'm beggin ya!! I'm dyin over here!!! For the love of all that is qmail, between the barrage of virus and the you've got virus mails, it's getting bad! Please, list admin!!! echo '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' /var/qmail/control/badmailfrom Please? Jerry Lynde Learn how to write a procmail recipe, or how to use your client's filtering rules. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Help stop animal abuse at Petco! http://flounder.net/publickey.html | http://www.mickaboofriends.org GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A |
Re: Which RBL replacement?
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 03:29:15PM +0200, Paulo Jan wrote: Hi all: Starting Jul 31 RBL will start charging for using their services. Which of the free RBL replacement do people recommend? I have read so far about ORBL and ORBS... http://software.libertine.org/tmda/ Blocks spam better than any RBL ever did. I'm still thinking about setting up a new RBL though. But it's going to be different than any previous RBL in a very important way. I'll discuss more once I've made up my mind. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Help stop animal abuse at Petco! http://flounder.net/publickey.html | http://www.mickaboofriends.org GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A |
Re: mailbombed
On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 05:03:34PM -0700, Jon Rust wrote: Anyway, it's been running all day with the new smtproute and the alias entry. Logs confirm the messages are being delivered. I'm all the way down to 140,000 queued msgs now. That's after about 7 hours worth of processing. For future reference, how unsafe is just removing the files from mess, info, and remote with qmail running? You might also try increasing concurrencylocal, to speed things up. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sign the Fernando Petition! http://flounder.net/publickey.html | http://www.mickaboofriends.org GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A|
Re: [colwilson@colwilson.com: Re: error in mail delivery - after connection established nothing hap pens for 30 sec connection resets]
On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 10:45:19PM +0200, Johannes Huettemeister wrote: On Sun Jul 15, 2001 at 09:2227PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: Isn't it a pity _how_ stupid one can be? LOL, but at least he used a template for these mails. Exactly the same mail I got, and not even one spelling mistake. Really? When did removered become correct spelling? From: Col Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:41:14 +0200 I have repeatedly tried to unsubscribe from this list and now all I can do is bounce messages until I am removerd, SORRY. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sign the Fernando Petition! http://flounder.net/publickey.html | http://www.mickaboofriends.org GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| 8:02pm up 5 day(s), 18:53, 6 users, load average: 0.06, 0.04, 0.03
Re: Begging for a control/spamlovers patch
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 08:27:22PM +0200, torben fjerdingstad wrote: Please don't suggest post-filtering instead. I want control at the SMTP level. Otherwise I may have a hard time trying to return an error message, and maybe the sender is unreachable or an innocent fake. I would never silently drop an email, at least not without having looked at it first, and I don't have time for that. Why do you need to return an error message? Just drop the mail into the bit bucket. --Adam
Re: Begging for a control/spamlovers patch
On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 07:38:29PM +0200, torben fjerdingstad wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 01:18:53PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 07:43:16AM +0200, torben fjerdingstad wrote: - Please don't suggest post-filtering- Happy coding. You are refusing the obvious, elegant and working solution. If you don't want our advice, don't ask. I did not ask for advise. I asked for a qmail-smtpd patch. So, go write one, or pay someone to do it for you. --Adam
Re: Netgear RP114 Router doesn't work well with Qmail POP daemon?
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:14:58PM +0200, Lukas Beeler wrote: as he already said in another posting, it's a 386, and he was mistaken.. Well, I'm sure glad we got that straightened out. --Adam
Re: weird qmail-popup behaviour?
On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 01:38:02AM +0200, Peter van Dijk wrote: Which immediately shows where exactly the spaces are and everything. cat -ev is helpful as well. --Adam
Re: qmail bcc function problem
On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 12:40:17PM -0400, Philip N. Han wrote: Hi, We have over 800 members and sent out newsletters using the Bcc function within Microsoft Outlook via qmail server. Up to three weeks ago everything worked fine then we started to get a few (3 or 4) return e-mails telling us that all the email addresses were showing up in the body portion of the e-mail message. And, in some cases attached files do not arrive. I checked all settings in Outlook and even reinstalled the program but this did not solve the problem. The question now is - could the problem involve qmail server? No. BCC is handled by the MUA, not the MTA. --Adam
Re: OT: Solaris vs. Linux vs. FreeBSD
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 02:08:33PM -0400, Stuart Krivis wrote:
Sun has contributed to the Open Source community. I also notice that much
of the money being made on open source software is in the support arena.
Isn't that what RedHat is selling these days?
Sun contributes just enough to make it *appear* as though they care about
open source, however, those of us who have recently met with Sun
sales engineers and heard the FUD they spread about Open Source software and
OS's know a different story.
As far as RedHat support, yeah, it's there. But I've yet to hear the phrase
nobody ever got fired for buying {RedHat,Linux} in the corporate world.
A number of the leading lights of open source are now working for major OS
vendors. What do you make of that?
Who, exactly, are you speaking of? I prefer not to comment on
generalizations.
Apple is well on its way to becoming the largest volume vendor of unix. How
will that affect things?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
--Adam
Re: OT: Solaris vs. Linux vs. FreeBSD
On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 03:53:59PM -0400, Steve Fulton wrote: Wrong sorry. Actually the reason why most companies choose to have Solaris, Is that Wall Street (If your in the US and a technology company wanting to go public) will look at the OS that your company uses and it does have some effect on what your IPO is going to be. I'd disagree with that somewhat. One of the major reasons for Sun Microsystem's success in the 1990's was because they would sell their high end machines to sketchy start up dot coms while others like Compaq, IBM, HP etc would not. It was a lot easier to arrange a payment plan with Sun for their servers than say IBM. And remember, the free *nix's like BSD and Linux were no where near production grade in the early 90's. I swear to god, I wish people on this list would stop talking out of their asses. The reason big businesses run Solaris is the same reason they run NT -- they like having a big company supporting their software. This is an area where the MS/Sun FUD against Open Source has been effective. --Adam
Re: svscan help
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 11:25:55PM -0700, Kevin Roberts wrote: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/lo cal/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bi n:/root/bin try: # sh -x /etc/init.d/svscan start and paste the output here. --Adam
Re: qmail Installation
On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 07:44:16PM -0400, Steve Reed wrote: Someone just sent me a note and said they were able to install qmail without a problem on Mandrake 8. I just downloaded the very latest ISOs and qmail still won't install for me. So, assuming that I must be doing something totally asinine, here is exactly, step by step, what I am doing. Hopefully some kind soul can read this and tell me what I'm doing wrong: 1. Download the qmail compressed file into the /usr/local/src directory. 2. Decompress the file, creating /usr/local/src/qmail-1.03. 3. Create the /var/qmail directory (yes I'm logged on as root). 4. Modify INSTALL.ids using the first section for Linux. It does create the users and groups. 5. Do a make setup check in the /usr/local/src/qmail-1.03 directory. It runs and is busy compiling. 6. When compile is finished, the /var/qmail directory is still empty. So, when I try to do the ./config it of course errors out because it can't find the right directories in /var/qmail. Soany ideas? 1) Insall the script program (if it's not already installed), and type script /tmp/qmail.log. 2) Go through your qmail install. When done, type exit. 3) Post /tmp/qmail.log to a website for further review, since you're obviously not providing enough information here. --Adam
Re: Solaris vs. Linux vs. FreeBSD
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 09:22:02PM -0300, Federico Edelman Anaya wrote: What's is the best OS for run Qmail (and/or Ezmlm)? What advantage and disadvantage has each one? I'll need send two millions mails per day and I don't know what hard can I buy? :) go away, troll. --Adam
Re: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 01:03:37PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: Well I guess that kind of puts the nail in the coffin. Mandrake is supposed to be a top-notch distro Er, since when? --Adam
Re: GHOSTS AND ASSHOLES OT
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 06:25:13PM +0800, Roland Mathis wrote: Thanks for your help Uwe and Robin. I found Robins mail also funny until he made fun of me. Translation: I saw how Robin treated people who posted messages that made it obvious that they had not done any research on their own, but this did not dissuade me from posting a similar message. Apparently Robin is slacking off. --Adam
Re: I'm not root, can I use qmail?
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 09:33:34AM -0400, Philip Mak wrote: I am trying to setup qmail to send out messages for Listar. When Listar sends it a message, its job is to relay that message to the remote SMTP servers of the recipients. That's all. Why don't you use your Web Host's MTA? --Adam
Re: Running as non-root: How to do it
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 05:31:42PM -0400, Philip Mak wrote: Well, I figured out how to run qmail as a non-root user. I am posting my experiences here in the hopes that it will help someone in the future. Thanks to those who helped point me in the right direction, and also those who said it couldn't be done, which sort of encouraged me to do it. :) I don't think anyone thought it couldn't be done, just that it was a stupid thing to do. 10 bucks says your web host shuts it down as soon as he finds out it's running. --Adam
Re: CNAME_lookup_failed_temporarily
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 07:29:31PM +, Nick (Keith) Fish wrote: Henning Brauer wrote: Use of dig is depreciated (sp? me too...). Use dnsq/dnsqr instead ;-)) sorry, couldn't resist. I wasn't aware of this. Everyone rants DIG! USE DIG! on the BIND mailing lists. Anyone point me to some good reading I can toast them all with? :-) I don't think people on the BIND mailing lists would appreciate it the way we do. --Adam
Re: qmail's sendmail wrapper and PHP4 mail() function
On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 08:47:14AM -0400, peter green wrote: * Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010621 01:40]: I just installed qmail for a client, and he is complaining that mails he is sending out, that used to work fine, now are coming through without any newlines. That's odd. What version of PHP4, out of curiosity? (It probably doesn't matter, but...) I've looked on php.net and around the web, and it seems that the solution to this problem is to set sendmail_path to be /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject. But I was wondering if anyone knew what was causing this problem? You would think that /var/qmail/bin/sendmail should behave simliar to qmail-inject. I have set sendmail_path to ``/var/qmail/bin/sendmail -t'' on a PHP-4.0.3pl1 machine and it works just fine. Actually, we've found the problem -- it was with M$ Outlook and not with qmail. Thanks, --Adam
Re: Why conf-split prime?
On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 09:21:20PM +0200, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote: Russell Nelson([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.06.21 14:25:52 +: Because it's a hash. If your hash isn't prime, you fill your hash buckets unevenly. The scary thing is people who know primes off the top of their heads. Hey Nick, do you know a prime that's about five hundred? Yeah. 521. Thanks. --- Real conversation at Xoom.com in 1998. god bless the bsd people ;-) see primes(6) This program is also available in Debian in the bsdgames package. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires. 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 12:30pm up 15 day(s), 12:33, 9 users, load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.07
qmail's sendmail wrapper and PHP4 mail() function
I just installed qmail for a client, and he is complaining that mails he is sending out, that used to work fine, now are coming through without any newlines. I've looked on php.net and around the web, and it seems that the solution to this problem is to set sendmail_path to be /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject. But I was wondering if anyone knew what was causing this problem? You would think that /var/qmail/bin/sendmail should behave simliar to qmail-inject. Has anyone else had this particular problem? If so, how did you address it? --Adam
Re: Discarding mailer_daemon mail....
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 09:48:02AM -0500, Larry M. Smith wrote: I am currently working on a dblbounce manager... Still in testing... but it's just a perl script that automatically add a sender's envelope to badmailfrom if it bounces. Er, what exactly do you think this will help? Bounces come from , so adding something to badmailfrom won't stop them. --Adam
Re: Suspending an POP3 account.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 12:36:48AM -0300, Antonio Dias wrote: Just a classic case of RTFM. Yeah, and you better read very closely too, because these commands don't work across all platforms. (Case in point, solaris 8 doesn't support passwd -u) --Adam
Re: New Broadcast Message!!!
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 01:41:39AM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 05:35:59PM -0400, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: Yes I did not respond to two GOOD suggestion. I have not tried them. AAARGH! Try them instead of wasting bandwidth here. Additionally, why to add more traffic to this list when it is not absolute necessary. WHO is wasting bandwidth here?! -Original Message- WHO you said was wasting bandwidth?? I can't believe you people haven't filtered this troll yet. He's been in my filters for months now. --Adam
Re: [OT] [useless thread] Re: ORBS, and RFC-ignorant blacklists
Can you guys please stop feeding this troll? --Adam
Re: How can i resolve THIS ?
On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 07:17:14AM -0700, Todd A. Jacobs wrote: On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Linux wrote: When a lots of mail arrive to [EMAIL PROTECTED] i receive this error, then the mail is delivered to .qmail-default alias file that point to [EMAIL PROTECTED] How can i resolve this problem? Increase your concurrency limit in /var/qmail/control/concurrencyincoming. Uh, the last time I checked that was not a valid control file. For that matter, the last time I checked, that log message isn't one that's produced by stock qmail. Is Linux running some crazy patch? --Adam
Re: big-concurrency patch
On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 04:25:58PM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote: Mark Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I can make this patch cleanly on a linux based system no problem, but when I try the same approach on the solaris system, it doesn't work. Was the test you're doing from a solaris system? Nope, Linux. Perhaps the version of patch which Sun ships is broken? Most of the rest of their tools seem to be :). You are correct. Get the latest version of GNU patch from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/patch and install it on your server. Personally, I like to keep my namespaces separate for GNU tools on Solaris, so that I always know which version of a program I'm running. You can do this for most GNU utils with the following configuration parameter: # ./configure --program-prefix=g --Adam
Re: locals question
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 10:57:38AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, MMP Wolfgang Rupp wrote: Hi all, we have here a central mailhub, mail.mm-packaging.com. This host treats mail to mm-packaging.com and mail.mm-.. as local. Now I also listed it as preferred MX for two domains that are www-only, but since postmaster@ must work, I put these domains into locals, as well. Now postmaster mails for these domains also get to me. My question: how do I prevent delivery to all other recipients for which a .qmail file exists? If I understand correctly, this should fix it: put the www-only domains into $QMAILHOMEDIR/control/virtualdomains, get them out of locals. Map them to one specific user in virtualdomains, and there you handle it bu using .qmail files. Your local users will never get mail for these domains. Actually, a better solution would be to do the following: in virtualdomains: domain1.com:alias-null domain2.com:alias-null in ~alias/.qmail-null-default put a single hash (#) mark. Like arjen said, remove the domains from locals and send qmail-send a HUP. --Adam
Re: rcpthosts default allow all ?
On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:40:16AM -0700, D. Cook wrote: Oops. I actually wanted only to be able to send mails OUT to every host except what is banned. I failed to grep control man page to understand what is required to accomplish above. I only found out by specifying the domain in rcpthosts I could send mails to that domain. Could you please point out the exact what-to-do in man page? Thank you. qmail-control(5) Headers, Tables, and Macros qmail-control(5) Qmail doesn't do what you want to do. If you do what you say you intend to do, you will effectively make your host an open relay. This is NOT the way to control spam with qmail. Various ways of controlling spam with qmail are already very well documented, so stop spamming the list with stupid questions and copies of the man pages. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires. 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 12:19pm up 4 day(s), 11:12, 6 users, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.02
Re: Can MX record be CNAME?
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 01:19:17PM -0500, q question wrote: I have shown respect for DJB and everyone on this list. I am looking very seriously at installing djbdns, and I'm sure that djbdns is in fact probably going to show itself to be superior to BIND. Heh, it's funny how some people talk about respect and yet hide behind fake e-mail addresses and pseudonyms. --Adam
more info on ezmlm-idx problem
Here is the last few lines of a truss I ran on the ezmlm-moderate process. It looks like the segfault is happening right after the fork(), but I don't know what it's trying to fork. --Adam [...] open(outlocal, O_RDONLY|O_NDELAY) = 3 read(3, t e s t\n, 128) = 5 read(3, 0x0002BB05, 128)= 0 close(3)= 0 open(mod/lock, O_WRONLY|O_NDELAY|O_APPEND|O_CREAT, 0600) = 3 fcntl(3, F_SETLKW, 0xFFBEFA3C) = 0 stat(mod/pending/988741909.13238, 0x0002CD7C) = 0 open(mod/pending/988741909.13238, O_RDONLY|O_NDELAY) = 4 read(4, R e t u r n - P a t h :.., 1024) = 810 lseek(4, 0, SEEK_SET) = 0 fork() = 13282 Segmentation Fault - core dumped wait() = 13282 [0x8B00] close(4)= 0 ezmlm-moderate: fatal: Unknown temporary error from child write(2, e z m l m - m o d e r a.., 58) = 58 _exit(111)
Re: ezmlm-idx error
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 01:07:51PM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote: Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm getting the following for one of my local lists: @40003aeef9c40fe92884 delivery 2345: deferral: Segmentation_Fault_-_core_dumped/ezmlm-moderate:_fatal:_Unknown_temporary_error_from_child/ This is a Solaris 8 box.. Anyone seen this before? This is standard ezmlm 0.53 + ezmlm-idx 0.40. It's either a 32-bit-ism in the ezmlm-idx sources (unlikely), or a bug in Sun's libraries (very likely). Which compiler did you use? Likely you'll have to truss/strace the program, or debug from the core file, to find the exact cause. adam@sunfish:~$ gcc -v Reading specs from /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.8/2.95.3/specs gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release) Did you see the truss output I posted? --Adam
Re: ezmlm-idx error
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 02:47:44PM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote: Yes -- but the event which caused the core-dump appeared to happen in the child, so we don't know exactly what caused it. There are options to strace (and I assume truss) to make it also trace any children -- try adding that option to your truss invocation, and capture another trace. The bastard child is ezmlm-send... I can run it on its own, I get the following from truss: open(mailinglist, O_RDONLY|O_NDELAY) = 5 read(5, c o n t a c t t e s t.., 128) = 52 read(5, 0x0002E484, 128)= 0 close(5)= 0 open(listid, O_RDONLY|O_NDELAY) Err#2 ENOENT open(headeradd, O_RDONLY|O_NDELAY)= 5 read(5, P r e c e d e n c e : .., 256) = 215 read(5, 0x0002E748, 256)= 0 close(5)= 0 read(0, a s d f\n, 256) = 5 read(0, 0x0002E888, 256)= 0 write(4, R e t u r n - P a t h :.., 139) = 139 fdsync(4, O_RDONLY|O_SYNC) = 0 fchmod(4, 0744) = 0 close(4)= 0 open(key, O_RDONLY|O_NDELAY) = 4 read(4, 80 3\0\098 2\0\0 d\0\0\0.., 32) = 32 read(4, 03 7\v\0 =\v\0E6 C\v\0.., 32) = 32 read(4, - k\v\0 b |\v\0D183\v\0.., 32) = 32 read(4, B49F\v\0D6AD\v\0EEB5\v\0.., 32) = 32 read(4, 8EED\v\0A0F1\v\0 2FA\v\0.., 32) = 32 read(4, i \f\0E7 1\f\0A6 ;\f\0.., 32) = 32 read(4, E2 |\f\0 t85\f\0 h93\f\0.., 32) = 32 read(4, F1CF\f\084D8\f\01FE1\f\0.., 32) = 32 read(4, * !\r\0 p /\r\005 8\r\0.., 32) = 16 read(4, 0x0002DB20, 32) = 0 close(4)= 0 Incurred fault #6, FLTBOUNDS %pc = 0x0001AF28 siginfo: SIGSEGV SEGV_MAPERR addr=0x Received signal #11, SIGSEGV [default] siginfo: SIGSEGV SEGV_MAPERR addr=0x *** process killed *** As a side note, your mail to this list is a good example of how to properly submit a problem report. Well, considering I've been reading the list for around 4 years now, I should hope so :) --Adam
Re: removing a particular *recipient* from the queue
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:23:21PM -0400, Omar Thameen wrote: How do I stop qmail from attempting to deliver a message to a particular recipient? I don't want to remove the entire message from the queue; I just want it to stop trying to deliver to a broken mail server. I already know about qmHandle, and that won't work here. I'm running qmail 1.03 and ezmlm-idx 0.40. Several mail servers are broken - they close the SMTP connection before verifying that they received the message, causing qmail to re-attempt delivery later (as it should). This results in ...connection_died._Possible_duplicate!_(#4.4.2) log messages, which, in fact, are true - the recipient is getting a copy every time qmail re-attempts delivery. I've looked at the qmail queue files and see that remote/NN/XX contains a list of addresses. From what I can deduce, those separated by [EMAIL PROTECTED] are deliveries that are unsuccessful, whereas [EMAIL PROTECTED] are successfully completed. I presume this is where qmail-qread gets its information. Could I possibly hand-edit the remote/NN/XX file and remove the particuar address? Any other ideas, like perhaps tricking qmail-remote into thinking that the address is to be locally delivered? Yes, but why? Are you worried that this is polluting your logs? Why intentionally break something to accomplish something that your qmail system will do on its own after queuelifetime expires? As far as being tricky, man qmail-remote. --Adam
[margie@mail-abuse.org: MAPS Zone Changes]
I don't know how many people hear read NANOG, but just in case you don't, this is an FYI. --Adam - Forwarded message from Margie Arbon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Margie Arbon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Margie Arbon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MAPS Zone Changes The MAPS domain hosting agreement with Vixie Enterprises has expired and will not be renewed. Accordingly, domain names ending in the old MAPS.VIX.COM suffix will shortly become invalid. As of 30 April 2001, all users of the MAPS RBLsm or DULsm must use MAPS' native servers to continue their service. Please change any configurations and/or any documentation you are responsible for to the following zones: Was: rbl.maps.vix.com Should be: blackholes.mail-abuse.org Was: dul.maps.vix.com Should be: dialups.mail-abuse.org There are no changes required for the RSSsm (relays.mail-abuse.org) or RBL+ (rbl-plus.mail-abuse.org). Please note that RBL+ queries are only permitted via subscription as are zone transfers of RBL and RBL+. The MAPS RSS sm and MAPS DULsm will continue to be available for normal queries, but full zone transfers will be secured and available only by subscription in the near future. Please write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the appropriate contracts if you are interested in subscribing to these services. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Margie Arbon Mail Abuse Prevention System, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail-abuse.org - End forwarded message - -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 01:52:58 up 5 days, 8:08, 12 users, load average: 0.12, 0.09, 0.08
Re: multilog and missing info
On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 01:04:23AM -0700, Chris Bolt wrote: /var/log/qmail/current actually wasn't being filled because I had left splogger in my /var/qmail/rc... *oops* Thanks though, I wouldn't have noticed it if I hadn't gone over lifewithqmail.org (I had originally used http://www.flounder.net/qmail/qmail-howto.html) Uh, my example rc file doesn't log via splogger. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 12:07am up 28 days, 7:54, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
Re: OK I give up!!!
On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:42:59AM -0500, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: For the last several days, I have posted questions on POP3 not working. I have received several replies and I have gained a lots of knowledge. But the problem is still there and now I have decided to GIVE UP. I have re-formatted the disk and I start all over. So folks you know where I will be during the coming weekend. If you spend more time reading the documentation on the software you are installing, and less time whining on the list, you'll have much better results. --Adam
Re: POP3 is driving me crazy!!!
On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 06:18:33PM -0500, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: RESULT: pop3 does not start. What am I doing wrong? What can I do to remedy this problem? What do the logs say? --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 3:43pm up 16 days, 23:29, 9 users, load average: 0.21, 0.22, 0.10
Re: DNS Patch Unavailable
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 07:46:06PM -0500, John Evans wrote: For several days, I have attempted to download the patch that is at http://www.ckdhr.com/ckd/qmail-103.patch but the server www.ckdhr.com has not been responding at all. Is this patch available from any other locations or mirror sites? I have a copy of it at http://flounder.net/qmail/qmail-dns-patch --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 9:02pm up 5 days, 48 min, 7 users, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.04
Re: Importing Emails into ezmlm-idx
On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 12:39:03PM -0500, Peter Cavender wrote: Ummm, I think those worthless words were the INSTRUCTIONS to do what you wanted. Congratulations, you've been successfully baited. Please don't feed the troll. --Adam
Re: SMTP routing based on From: address?
On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 02:47:21PM -0700, Andy Bradford wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:39:22 GMT, "Grant Edwards" wrote: It's sort of an odd request, but I'd like to route outgoing mail to one of two SMTP servers, but I don't want to do it based on the destination address. I would like to do it based on the From: address in the header. You could probably handle something like this in ~alias/.qmail-default and then based on the local part in the address reinject the message to the *real* mail server. Or, you could have two separate qmail installations, with a separate smarthost for each. Then, you could call whichever wrapper you needed to. --Adam
Re: Syslog? [was Re: Detail logging of POP3D]
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:15:24AM -0600, Bill Carlson wrote: Syslog is unreliable. We've heard this again and again. Any specifics? I've seen the syslog daemon simply die. With no explanation. Several times on different boxes. I think this qualifies as being unreliable. --Adam
Re: bouncesaying and maildrop
On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 03:37:29PM -0500, Alex Pennace wrote: Subscription and unsubscription works for everyone else. Subscription obviously worked for you, but you can't manage unsubscription. Why is this Debian's problem? Self-righteousness only goes so far. You invited yourself to Debian's party, not the other way around. Why is this being discussed here? --Adam
Re: Problem with qmail and SMTP port w/ Debian Linux.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 08:59:05PM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote: But I haven't used Debian since 1.3, and don't know how qmail is packaged for Debian. He said he followed LWQ, which would lead me to believe he's not using the Debian package. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 10:14pm up 229 days, 20:32, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 01:32:29AM +, James R Grinter wrote: But, it doesn't matter - Pine does IMAP right? (Isn't that it's real reason for existence?) So hook your Maildirs up with IMAP, and point Pine at that. Seems pretty simple to me. How about this: Use a non-crappy, open source e-mail client instead? --Adam
Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 12:12:55AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: Maybe you just don't spend enough effort to understand mutt, but I won't start a MUA discussion here. If you want pine to support Maildirs natively (mutt does btw) contact the pine authors, this is _ways_ OT here. The author of PINE flat out refuses to support Maildir. --Adam
Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)
On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 11:45:31PM +, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: Hello Maybe you just don't spend enough effort to understand mutt, but I won't This is the good opportunity to make functionality of Mutt better. I let to see to much porblems and this is reason, that I don't use Mutt with plesure. Are you using babelfish to make your posts? Just wondering. Mutt is pretty intuitive. Not quite as intuitive as pine, but it should only take a few days for most pine users to make the switch. --Adam
Re: svscan
On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:39:54PM -0800, Thomas Holton wrote: many messages: supervise: fatal: unable to start qmail-smtpd/run: access denied supervise: fatal: unable to start qmail-send/run: file does not exist supervise: fatal: unable to start log/run: access denied Are these log entries not explicit enough for you? Generally scripts need to be executable and exist if you expect them to be run. --Adam
Re: AntiVirus!
On Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 12:59:54PM +0100, Felix von Leitner wrote: I find it astonishing that people don't sue Microsoft for this. A whole industry thrives on Microsoft's bad code quality. They can't sue microsoft. They "accepted" a license that says Microsoft isn't responsible blah blah blah. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 2:21pm up 177 days, 12:37, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 08:47:25AM -0600, Jamin Collins wrote: I realize, as do most of the user's posting, that support here is provided by individuals donating their time of their own free will. All I ask is that common courtesy be extended to those asking for help. This suresh guy routinely (for the last few months or so) has been posting newbie questions to the list, and providing no information whatsoever. From what I've seen, people have been ignoring him for the most part. I suppose someone just got tired of it. --Adam
Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 11:15:04AM -0800, Barley wrote: Greg, he's not calling people stupid for what they don't know, but for what they couldn't be bothered to try, for the effort they couldn't be bothered to expend when it's just so easy to try and get someone else to do the hard work. Matt, I dig. You folks who have done a lot of hard work and are knowledgable should not have to do the work for newbies who can't be bothered. But the easiest way to avoid exerting any effort on their behalf seems to me to be to ignore them. This Robin person just seems to need to take out his/her dissatisfaction with life on newbies on this list, some of whom seem to have made efforts to solve problems themselves. While I agree that Robin is overly caustic at some times, I do for the most part find his posts pretty funny, and I think (or hope) that that is what he intends. That being said, there are also some situations where overt abuse is the only way to get something across to someone , and I'm happy that Robin is here to provide it. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 4:58pm up 172 days, 15:15, 10 users, load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.01
Re: secrets and lies
On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 05:33:44PM -0500, Romeyn Prescott wrote: What, Felix, (and you probably ought to respond offline, should you be so inclined, as this has precious little to do with qmail) do you suggest? How should the software "empires" of this world make their money if not by charging for their software and protecting the license (bought and paid for permission to use it) that goes along with it? I'm genuinely curious. See http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/magic-cauldron/magic-cauldron-3.html and other similar writings by ESR and others involved in the open source movement. The motives behind Open Source are not secret -- they are readily available, all you need to do is look. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 6:11pm up 168 days, 16:27, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.02
Re: secrets and lies
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 12:32:02AM -0500, Nathan J. Mehl wrote: IANAL, but my feeling is that the documents in question pretty unambiguously lead to the conclusion that you'd be SOL in that case, and I would further suspect that Dan keeps the only notices about qmail's distribution terms in a centralized place to leave himself the option of refining the terms were such a case to arise. As he wrote the code, this is unquestionably his right. If that is his intent, then it's of questionable merit. I personally don't believe that it is his intent, but I could be wrong. As I peronally could care less about the alleged moral tonic of "Free" or "Open Source" software and my needs are satisfied by qmail's default configuration, this isn't really an issue for me personally. People with personal or business needs for such things should probably consider the MTAs which explicitly set such terms, rather than hoping that qmail might one day satisfy them. Based on past experience, it's not likely to. I'm not arguing that Dan should change the terms under which he releases his software, I'm arguing that he should include those terms along with the software, so that the users of his software know the terms up front, instead of having to rely on a potentially dynamic web page. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 2:52pm up 164 days, 13:08, 10 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 01:33:22PM +0100, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Adam McKenna wrote: Hello, this list is for discussion of qmail, if you wish to discuss orbs please take this to SPAM-L or elsewhere. The answer for all subscibers, Adam, I am not sure that this is disscusion for spam-l rather than qmail list. *PLONK* --Adam
Re: secrets and lies
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:43:44AM -0500, Paul Jarc wrote: The same way as if rights.html were included in qmail-1.03.tar.gz: I'd ask people who had copies to present them, to support my claim. There would be more such copies if it were included in qmail-1.03.tar.gz, but I'm not going to waste time worrying about it. You're not, because you're not thinking from the perspective of someone who wants to distribute. It's the same situation as with, say, Emacs. The GPL doesn't give you permission to get a copy of Emacs; it only specifies what you can do once you have. The nearest I could find to explicit permission to download it is "By FTP we provide source code for all GNU software, free of charge." at URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/software.html#HowToGetSoftware, and that covers only the GNU site itself, not mirrors. I think rights.html is clearer. You're still thinking too narrowly. I want an unambiguous license included with the software that explicitly defines what I am allowed to do with it. If you don't need that then fine, but please don't argue that it's not needed, because there are clearly a number of people on this list that desire it. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 12:35pm up 163 days, 10:52, 11 users, load average: 0.14, 0.10, 0.03
Re: secrets and lies
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 01:21:16PM -0500, Paul Jarc wrote: Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want an unambiguous license included with the software that explicitly defines what I am allowed to do with it. If you don't need that then fine, but please don't argue that it's not needed, because there are clearly a number of people on this list that desire it. Please don't confuse need with desire. You may not like dist.html or softwarelaw.html or rights.html, but I don't see ambiguity in them, You don't, but others do. For instance, I can distribute a package that contains pristine qmail source and patches, and include a script which applies the patches, changes conf-home, and compiles and installs qmail. According to dist.html, that would be fine. But what if Dan found out someone was doing this and got angry? Maybe he'd think about changing dist.html. After he changed it, could I then continue distributing this package without fear of being sued? and I don't see how including them in the software distributions would make them any more legally significant. Including them in the tarball would set specific terms on specific pieces of software. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 2:52pm up 163 days, 13:08, 11 users, load average: 0.28, 0.08, 0.03
Re: secrets and lies
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 04:21:51PM -0500, Paul Jarc wrote: Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe he'd think about changing dist.html. After he changed it, could I then continue distributing this package without fear of being sued? If the new dist.html said no, then it would seem clear that you couldn't. This is not an ambiguity in the current or potential future dist.html, but I think I see your point now: you want to know what you will *always* be allowed to do with qmail, not just what you are allowed to do today. (Right?) Allowing someone to download and use a piece of software under certain terms, and then changing the terms after that person has made an investment of time/money in order to use that software is not acceptable. All I'm saying is that I'd like the redistribution terms/terms of use to come with the software. That way I don't have to be paranoidically checking dist.html every day to make sure Dan hasn't changed the terms. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 5:37pm up 163 days, 15:53, 11 users, load average: 0.23, 0.14, 0.05
Re: qmail build problem under SuSE 7.0
On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 12:35:07PM -0800, David Benfell wrote: On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 05:20:35PM +0100, Erwin Hoffmann wrote: problems regarding with SUSE 7.0 are not known to me. What may be the case is whether you have IPv6 support enabled or not. Disable it. You might be on to something. I grabbed a .config file from somebody else. Sure enough, IPv6 support is enabled as a module. I will run off and rebuild now... I seriously doubt that this has anything to do with anything -- Enabling an option as a module does not affect the running kernel unless that module is actualy loaded. (Via insmod/modprobe/etc). --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 4:11pm up 162 days, 14:27, 11 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Re: qmail build problem under SuSE 7.0
On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 01:56:10PM -0800, David Benfell wrote: Indeed. [Sigh...] Still no joy. Any other ideas? The symptoms at "make setup check" remain: ./load qmail-remote control.o constmap.o timeoutread.o \ timeoutwrite.o timeoutconn.o tcpto.o now.o dns.o ip.o \ ipalloc.o ipme.o quote.o ndelay.a case.a sig.a open.a \ lock.a seek.a getln.a stralloc.a alloc.a substdio.a error.a \ str.a fs.a auto_qmail.o `cat dns.lib` `cat socket.lib` dns.o: In function `resolve': dns.o(.text+0x11f): undefined reference to `__dn_expand' dns.o: In function `findname': dns.o(.text+0x1ce): undefined reference to `__dn_expand' dns.o(.text+0x247): undefined reference to `__dn_expand' dns.o: In function `findip': dns.o(.text+0x2ca): undefined reference to `__dn_expand' dns.o: In function `findmx': dns.o(.text+0x3ce): undefined reference to `__dn_expand' dns.o(.text+0x469): more undefined references to `__dn_expand' follow dns.o: In function `dns_init': dns.o(.text+0x4bb): undefined reference to `__res_init' dns.o(.text+0x4c9): undefined reference to `__res_search' dns.o(.data+0xc): undefined reference to `__res_query' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [qmail-remote] Error 1 Is it possible that you have the current libc installed but an old libc-dev installed? If that was the case then resolv.h might contain the incorrect function calls. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 5:49pm up 162 days, 16:06, 12 users, load average: 0.27, 0.07, 0.02
Re: qmail build problem under SuSE 7.0
On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 04:40:01PM -0800, David Benfell wrote: Ooo... I can't rule this out at all, mainly because I don't know enough. I built glibc 2.2 from source. Uh, bad idea. Is there any reason you can't get a 2.2 SuSE RPM? Is there any reason you particularly need 2.2? It looks like SuSE 7.0 comes with 2.1.3 (judging from rpm -qa | grep libc). The libresolv's you listed before were 2.1.92 if I remember correctly. That means you have libc6 2.1.92 installed somewhere as well. Until you get this mess straightened out, you're probably not going to be able to compile much of anything. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 7:50pm up 162 days, 18:06, 12 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00
Re: qmail build problem under SuSE 7.0
On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 05:47:39PM -0800, David Benfell wrote: Is there any reason you can't get a 2.2 SuSE RPM? Hmmm... They have an update to shlibs, which I think includes glibc. They also have a few other updates that look relevant. In particular, they have nssv1. So I installed all these, but glibc is still 2.1.3. Is there any reason you particularly need 2.2? I tend to go with latest versions. In stark contrast to the Debian approach, I find latest versions less troublesome. I serioulsy suggest that you downgrade to your OS's latest supported glibc, unless there is a specific reason you need a later one. Building glibc from source is not for amateurs. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "the Debian approach". If you want to stay on the cutting edge, you can run the "unstable" version of debian, which is about as up to date as you can possibly be. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 9:18pm up 162 days, 19:34, 12 users, load average: 0.06, 0.03, 0.00
Re: secrets and lies
On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 09:05:04PM -0500, Paul Jarc wrote: : I don't know which of these theories will succeed in court. I also : don't think you should have to care. So I promise I won't sue you : for copyright violation for downloading documents from my server. which makes it clear to me that downloading, e.g., qmail-1.03.tar.gz won't get me in trouble. Unless Dan decides at a later date to remove that page from his website. At that point, how will you prove that you obtained the software legitimately? --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 9:22pm up 162 days, 19:38, 12 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
Re: qmail build problem under SuSE 7.0
On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 07:16:07PM -0800, David Benfell wrote: I serioulsy suggest that you downgrade to your OS's latest supported glibc, unless there is a specific reason you need a later one. Building glibc from source is not for amateurs. I think I've done just that: benfell:~ # ls -al /lib/libc* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4070534 Sep 20 09:07 /lib/libc.so.6 Er, why is libc.so.6 not a symlink? Doesn't ldconfig give a warning? lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Nov 14 10:39 /lib/libcom_err.so.2 - libcom_err.so.2.0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8133 Jul 29 07:33 /lib/libcom_err.so.2.0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root61180 Sep 20 09:07 /lib/libcrypt.so.1 benfell:~ # rpm -qf /lib/libc.so.6 shlibs-2.1.3-163 This is the latest version of glibc that SuSE offers. "rpm -vf /lib/libc.so.6 --verify" returns no output, so I presume all is well, but just to be sure, I did "rpm -a --verify | less" and saw output consistent with what I believe I've done to the system. Next, I went looking for libresolv (note the before and after shots separated by an updatedb): How about resolv.h? I'd remove everything glibc-related in /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include if I were you. I think this is the wrong place for a religious war on Debian, but I guess I did start it. I'll only say that from what I've seen, they have lots of problems with their unstable branch. And they do warn you about this. My approach has, so far, generated less difficulty, mainly because I focus on packages for which there have been security alerts. The solution for a security alert on "su" turns out to be building against glibc 2.1.3 or higher. So I upgraded glibc (I think this is a lot easier than it used to be) on my other systems and rebuilt sh-utils successfully. Admittedly, in this case, it was unnecessary to upgrade to glibc 2.2. I'm not sure you understand what Debian unstable is. It's the most recent version of every package, rather than a set of packages that has been deemed "stable". So, of course there will be problems. The question is, how bad will those problems be? You can stop updating your unstable dist whenever you want, or update selected packages. Personally, I'm running unstable on several machines and I have never had a major problem. But I tend to keep on top of the debian mailing lists, so I generally find out ahead of time if there's a problem and avoid updating until it's resolved. Whatever you wind up doing, I would caution against upgrading glibc unless there is a specific need. glibc is *supposed* to be backward-compatible, but there are always problems that could occur with binaries that were built with older versions. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 12:12am up 162 days, 22:28, 12 users, load average: 0.06, 0.03, 0.00
Re: deferral: unable_to_chdir_to_maildir. (#4.2.1)
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 04:39:04PM +1100, Dennis wrote: Hi all... Anyone know why I'm getting this error ? My guess would be, that qmail-local is unable to chdir to your Maildir. That's just a guess though. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 12:34am up 162 days, 22:50, 12 users, load average: 0.08, 0.04, 0.01
Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 07:08:55AM +0100, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: Send mail to ORBS and try to resolve this with them. ORBS has ignored all letters and will not stop scanning of my host Hello, this list is for discussion of qmail, if you wish to discuss orbs please take this to SPAM-L or elsewhere. Thanks, --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 1:28am up 162 days, 23:44, 12 users, load average: 0.07, 0.10, 0.37
Re: secrets and lies
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 10:43:50PM -0500, Al wrote: Don't care. What I care about is what the words mean in an actual language. In this case English. I do not recognize OSI as a standards body and do not care what definition of Open Source can be found at opensource.org or the FSF. When I look up the words "open" and "source" in my Websters I am not going to cut out big chucks of what fits because some people have some kind of agenda they are trying to promote. If you want to have your own definition of "Open Source", that's fine. Just keep it to yourself. When you use the words "Open Source" in a public forum, people will generally assume that you are talking about software that complies with the OSD. To publically claim that software is "Open Source", based on your own personal definition is just boorish and arrogant, and invites (semantic) arguments. All the king's horses, etc. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 4:56am up 161 days, 3:12, 12 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Re: secrets and lies
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 08:18:29PM +1300, Chris K. Young wrote: Quoted from Adam McKenna [15 Nov 2000]: On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 01:14:15PM +1300, Chris K. Young wrote: ``The [licence] must explicitly permit distribution of software built from modified source ^^ code.''. qmail conforms loosely to the OSD, there is a footnote to section 4 that (ambiguously) states that licenses that allow third party distribution of patches conform. Allowing patches is necessary, but it's not sufficient. Debian's Free Software Guidelines has a similar clause, and I see no other clause that DJB's licence conflicts with. If I go by your statement, why is qmail listed under the non-free section? That's why it conforms loosely. It only violates one part, and the rationale for that part explains why an author would want to make his license that way. I can't speak for the strictness of the Debian project because I am not a part of it, but it has been my experience that it doesn't take much of an infracton of the OSD (which was originally the DFSG) to get exiled to non-free. The main problem is that qmail doesn't really have a "license" that ships with it. All people have to go on is public remarks made by Dan, http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html I say that dist.html should be considered authoritative. There are references in the qmail and djbdns documentation that contain the URL to their respective pages. That's what you say. But there isn't a definitive license (i.e. LICENSE or COPYING) in the qmail distribution that explains those rights -- some web page could be altered or taken down at any time, leaving users without any rights whatsoever. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 3:12am up 158 days, 1:28, 10 users, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00
Re: secrets and lies
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 11:07:43AM -0500, Paul Jarc wrote: Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 08:18:29PM +1300, Chris K. Young wrote: I say that dist.html should be considered authoritative. There are references in the qmail and djbdns documentation that contain the URL to their respective pages. That's what you say. But there isn't a definitive license (i.e. LICENSE or COPYING) in the qmail distribution that explains those rights There's nothing magical about those names. The names "dist.html" and "softwarelaw.html" are just as good, and I don't see why they should have to be included in the distribution. some web page could be altered or taken down at any time, leaving users without any rights whatsoever. IANAL (are you?), but I doubt that a copyright holder can revoke permission already granted in this way. The *record* (or rather, *one* record) of permission could be removed, but how does that affect the permission itself? No, I'm not a lawyer, but to defend a copyright infringement claim in court you would need some sort of proof that you had been given that permission, and if a web page that can be taken down or modified at any time is the only source, I can see how that would be unsettling to advocates of Free Software. If a license had been included in the source tarball, then everyone who had downloaded that tarball would also have a copy of the license, making it much easier to prove the terms under which the software was released. I'm not saying Dan would ever sue anyone for infringement, but then again I'm not the person deciding whether or not something should go in main or non-free (and if I was, I'd probably still put it in non-free, even though I believe it loosely conforms.) It's also worth mentioning that while softwarelaw.html describes Dan's feelings about software/copyright law, it may or may not describe actual software/copyright law (case law or otherwise). As far as I know, Dan is not a lawyer either. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 12:48pm up 158 days, 11:04, 11 users, load average: 0.05, 0.06, 0.01
Re: secrets and lies
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 02:16:38PM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote: Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 09:11:32PM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote: Mr. Schneier is respected for his expertise and cryptography, and just because he states that head money for bugs is no good, does not make him an M S type weenie. You're right, Bruce Scheiner is a god, and I'm really sorry for disagreeing with him. That is not what I meant, even subtracting sarcasm, irony and exaggeration. I'm saying that one particular opinion on a marginal topic that you disagree with does not make Mr. Schneier a bad person. Get a clue, in that you try to find out about that person as a whole before judging him. When, exactly, did I say he was a bad person? You are putting words in my mouth. Mate posted the following: "He also thinks that even having a software out and used for a few years without incidence does not imply that it is secure. He says, the best way to evaluate the security of a product is to have it audited by security experts." And I responded in context. Whether or not you or Mr. Scheiier like it, Microsoft has been using almost this exact argument to advocate their software over Free Software for quite a while now. I was informed (rather nastily) by Schneier disciples in subsequent postings that this opinion is not actually held by Mr. Schneier, and I (rather sarcastically) retracted my comments. Do we really need to dwell on this anymore? Or are we just arguing for the sake of arguing? I admit that I did not go look up "Secrets and Lies", buy it, read it, and then read other material by B. Schneier before posting a reply, but whether or not I am a self-proclaimed "security expert" (I'm not), I am relatively informed and knowledgable about computer security, and I am entitled to my opinion(s), whether or not they agree with Mr. Schneier's opinions, or the opinions of anyone else on this list. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 1:45pm up 158 days, 12:01, 10 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Re: secrets and lies
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 01:21:40PM -0500, Dave Sill wrote: Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think "select few" as you have used it needs clarification -- even if only one half of one percent of all advanced C programmers are part of the "select few", that's still hundreds or thousands of people, and many of those people are part of the open source community. That estimate may well be high. I've never seen books or training covering the topic of security auditing C code. Where'd you get that 0.5%? I pulled it out of somewhere. A hell of a lot more, anyway, than are working at so-called "security firms", ready to stamp their approval on any product they get six or seven digit payments to "certify". ``So-called "security firms"'' that don't know what they're doing will eventually be discovered for the frauds that they are. In the security business, reputation is everything. An audit by some random "security firm" might not mean anything, but an audit by a recognized authority would. It might. It also might not, because even the best auditors could miss something. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 2:18pm up 158 days, 12:35, 10 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Re: secrets and lies
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 10:01:18PM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote: Of course, the presentation of your opinion, calling somebody you don't know names, left room for desires. I said "sounds like". And in the context in which his opinion was presented, it sounds a lot like MS's. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 5:17pm up 158 days, 15:33, 10 users, load average: 0.06, 0.02, 0.00
Re: secrets and lies
On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 02:39:25PM -0500, Dave Sill wrote: So has any expert ever audited qmail or djbdns? No. Any audit worth doing would be prohibitively expensive for a freeware project. $1000 wouldn't even begin to cover it, at least for qmail. Not to mention that the whole point of freeware and open source software in general is to give everyone the ability to audit the software, not just a select few. It sounds like the author of this book is a M$-type weenie. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 2:48pm up 157 days, 13:04, 10 users, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00
Re: secrets and lies
On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 12:02:40PM -0800, Ryan Russell wrote: On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Adam McKenna wrote: Not to mention that the whole point of freeware and open source software in general is to give everyone the ability to audit the software, not just a select few. It sounds like the author of this book is a M$-type weenie. Who, Bruce? Bwahaha... no. Suggest you do some reading of Bruce's works before you continue down that train of thought. The Crypto-gram is a good start: http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html OK, I stand corrected. But you have to realize that this is the same argument put forward by many people pushing closed source solutions over open source ones (that it has been analyzed by "experts"), and invariably many security holes are found anyway. Cases in point, most major closed-source firewall software, MS's shoddy PPTP implementation, etc. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 3:09pm up 157 days, 13:25, 10 users, load average: 0.06, 0.04, 0.00
Re: secrets and lies
On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 03:11:43PM -0500, Paul Jarc wrote: Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not to mention that the whole point of freeware and open source software in general is to give everyone the ability to audit the software, not just a select few. Dan's software isn't open source. I imagine he might value peer review, but I'm not aware of his having stated so - certainly not in regard to motivation for his distribution terms. Also, making source available does not give everyone the ability to audit the software. It gives them permission. But most people won't be any better able to do a quality audit for having the source. I said, "freeware and open source software". Do you always selectively ignore part of what someone says to make your point? Only the "select few" will be able to audit it well, regardless of the license, and they can afford to charge a hefty fee, regardless of the license. I think "select few" as you have used it needs clarification -- even if only one half of one percent of all advanced C programmers are part of the "select few", that's still hundreds or thousands of people, and many of those people are part of the open source community. A hell of a lot more, anyway, than are working at so-called "security firms", ready to stamp their approval on any product they get six or seven digit payments to "certify". --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 4:06pm up 157 days, 14:22, 10 users, load average: 0.13, 0.08, 0.03
Re: secrets and lies
On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 09:11:32PM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote: Mr. Schneier is respected for his expertise and cryptography, and just because he states that head money for bugs is no good, does not make him an M S type weenie. You're right, Bruce Scheiner is a god, and I'm really sorry for disagreeing with him. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 4:23pm up 157 days, 14:39, 9 users, load average: 0.09, 0.06, 0.01
Re: secrets and lies
On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 03:35:35PM -0500, Paul Jarc wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whilst an audit is a good idea, I don't see how a competition and time in the field can actual make matters worse. It can make people think a program is secure when no audit has been done, reducing the likelihood that anyone will call for an audit, leaving holes undiscovered. And a formal audit can miss security holes, reducing the likelihood that anyone will call for further audits, leaving holes undiscovered -- it's a double-edged sword. Auditing is an ongoing process, not something which takes place at one point in time and unilaterally declares something "secure". --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 5:21pm up 157 days, 15:37, 10 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
Re: secrets and lies
On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 06:22:27PM -0500, Bennett Todd wrote: 2000-11-14-16:24:36 Adam McKenna: Bruce Scheiner is a god, [...] It's possible you're being sarcastic, but there are those who would very nearly agree with you. While he may not actually be a god, he is certainly the single most important contributor to getting really top notch crypto out of research and into engineering; he's been teaching a lot of us the basic principles of sound design with crypto for a decade or more. For what its worth, I was only originally expression an opinion on the few paragraphs that Mate posted, from some book that I had never heard of, by a "B. Schneier" [sic] I didn't know who he was talking about at first, and I was reacting to getting attacked from all sides. Perhaps in the future when people post quotes from print, they should include a little bit more context, and perhaps an ISBN number to eliminate confusion. By the way, why are the cr.yp.to lists so slow lately? Have we finally reached the limit of processing power on the list server? --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 6:32pm up 157 days, 16:48, 10 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00
Re: secrets and lies
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 01:14:15PM +1300, Chris K. Young wrote: Quoted from Lipscomb, Al [15 Nov 2000]: Open Source is often used to describe software that has its source code available regardless of the license involved. Just because it's ``often'' done doesn't mean it's correct. To me, and possibly others, open source is used to describe software that uses a licence conforming to the Open Source Definition. Have a look at clause 4, and let me know if you think that's consistent with the qmail and djbdns licences. Specifically: ``The [licence] must explicitly permit distribution of software built from modified source code.''. I belive that the DJB software is Open Source, but not free. I used to too, and once advocated that view in my Linux users group. I was shot down pretty quickly :-) qmail conforms loosely to the OSD, there is a footnote to section 4 that (ambiguously) states that licenses that allow third party distribution of patches conform. The main problem is that qmail doesn't really have a "license" that ships with it. All people have to go on is public remarks made by Dan, http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html, and http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html . --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 8:06pm up 157 days, 18:23, 10 users, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.01
Re: Oversize DNS Patch
On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 01:58:48PM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 10 November 2000 at 16:31:26 -0500 Eric Wang writes: Do I still need the Oversize DNS Patch? No. why don't need anymore? Because AOL realized their mistake. Not even AOL can get away with DNS replies larger than 512 bytes. They've flopped back and forth a few times, though. And while they seem to be okay at the moment, I wouldn't consider this closed. I want to keep the oversize DNS patch in my system. Also, AOL isn't the only one who has been doing this, there have been a few other places I've had this problem with, on-and-off. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 3:03pm up 156 days, 13:19, 10 users, load average: 0.09, 0.05, 0.01
[OT] Vatican blesses qmail
Just wanted everyone to know that I happened to be looking through my logs tonight and noticed the following: michael.vatican.va - - [07/Nov/2000:04:28:45 -0500] "GET /qmail/qmail-howto.html HTTP/1.0" 200 35537 Looks like the Vatican has blessed qmail. Apparently they are also fond of MSIE and NT4 (makes you wonder -- There aren't too many things that put evil thoughts in my head that aren't in some way related to Microsoft.) --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_
Re: More trouble
On Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 04:16:55PM -0800, Howard Miller wrote: Well, we all had to start somewhere didn't we? Did you know everything about MTAs the first time you installed one? I am almost completely new to Unix systems but have had many years experience on various other platforms. I am the first to admit that I am used to commercial, expensively documented and supported software and am finding the Open Source ideas quite a culture shock. I did in fact read everything I could find about qmail and its peripheral programs, but it isn't so easy when everything I read told me to install it in a different way. What else was I suppose to do? I have got qmail working now. I have a few little bugs to sort out but I'm sure that I will. This would not have been possible without the kind help of a number of people on the mailing list who solved my problems. They didn't have to help me at all of course! If you are sure your script works then great, it most certainly is something I have done wrong but nobody came up with a better explanation than chopping out all the delivery rules except the ./Maildir/ bit (which I do understand BTW) Anyway, just you wait until I'm a Unix expert You might need to give me a few years though at this rate. Maybe by then you'll realize how rude it is to take a private e-mail and post it to a mailing list. Fucking asshole. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 11:28am up 146 days, 9:44, 9 users, load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.00
Re: SPAM - Help!
On Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 12:15:19AM -0500, Jack McKinney wrote: Maybe. If the email is rejected AFTER being accepted by your mail server, then your mail server will bounce it based on the headers. If it is rejected at the SMTP port of your server (as is typical of the relay checking methods such as RBL and ORBS), then the sending mail server will generate the bounce. This won't triple bounce at IBM, it will triple bounce to _itself_. You're assuming that mail is getting injected locally. In the vast majority of spam, it's not. It's getting injected from a throwaway dialup client to an open relay via SMTP. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 12:45pm up 141 days, 11:01, 10 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00
Re: unsubscribe qmail
On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 01:28:38PM -0400, Robin S. Socha wrote: * Landon Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001027 13:18]: unsubscribe qmail Now, Landon, take a look at this: http://cr.yp.to/lists.html#qmail "To subscribe, send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]" Kinda makes one wonder what would happen if one sent an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], eh? And sometimes, one is also tempted to wonder if the admission test for American universities is to be able to write your own name. Actually, someone brought this up recently, and I didn't have an explanation for them -- why does ezmlm subscribe the envelope sender instead of the address in From: ? --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 3:36pm up 139 days, 12:52, 11 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.02
Re: unsubscribe qmail
On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 04:03:02PM -0500, Kris Kelley wrote: Actually, someone brought this up recently, and I didn't have an explanation for them -- why does ezmlm subscribe the envelope sender instead of the address in From: ? Probably to help curb, if only slightly, the possibility of somebody subscribing somebody else without the latter person's knowledge. Depending on your ISP, faking the envelope sender could be more difficult than faking the "From:" header. That's why ezmlm creates a random tag for each subscription that is sent back to the subscriber for confirmation. There is no way to subscribe someone else to an ezmlm list unless you have access to their mail spool. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 5:49pm up 139 days, 15:05, 11 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Re: What to do about these barelinefeeds?
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 08:29:42PM -0400, Hubbard, David wrote: Well first off, can someone explain to me the reasoning behind the bare linefeed restriction? I hope it is an actual standard that this restriction is trying to make other MTA's adhere to. So anyway, 2 questions: 1) Does anyone have a list of commonly used mail servers that violate this? Personally, I've seen a few instances of mail servers going crazy hitting me once per second trying to deliver mail and just getting status 256 over and over, I'm thinking it's probably the bare linefeed thing causing this behavior and if they're on a bigger pipe than my qmail server, it really hurts my connection. I'd really like to know which servers might exhibit this behavior. Most recently, I tried to sign up for an eval version of Legato's backup software and all I see in my mail logs is a connection from augusta2.legato.com every four hours with a status of 256, nice huh? qmail doesn't return an error code of 256 for the bare lf problem, it returns 553. 2) The important question now is, what kind of error does the user get when their mail server finally gives up? Does it look like the mail was just undeliverable? I know qmail issues the error code that causes the mail server to try again. After that time on the remote server expires, I'm worried that users who may be mailing someone at a domain I host will be getting an error message that makes it look like a problem with my mail server, pissing my customers off at me. Did you actually read any of the online documentation about this, including but not limited to http://cr.yp.to/docs/smtplf.html, the FAQ and relevant RFC's? --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 8:31pm up 138 days, 17:47, 9 users, load average: 0.07, 0.07, 0.02
Re: What to do about these barelinefeeds?
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 11:31:01PM -0400, Hubbard, David wrote: Thanks, I hadn't seen that link before. I'm sorry, I meant that the 256 was the status code I see in my smtpd log. But, in searching the archives, I saw reference to people saying the bare LF generates a 451 and not a 553. I can't verify that since I don't have a mailer to try it with but it seems that you'd never want the 451 in this case because obviously it will be the same mailer that will retry each time and it will continue to be broken for each try... You're right, I grepped my source for it but I forgot that I had modified the source to produce a permanent error code instead of a temporary one to avoid the exact problem you are describing (M$ S(hitty)MTP service hammering my server.) Is the bare LF a function of the MTA or the user agent? I found out that one of the systems that is hitting me and getting the exit status of 256 is, of course, a server running the Microsoft SMTP service. (Not Exchange) Is it their SMTP service that is broken or the user agent? It's the MTA. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 12:18am up 138 days, 21:33, 9 users, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00
Re: SSL POP3
On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 09:17:39AM +0200, Andrzej wrote: You mean limitind access based on IP numbers? This will only work for users with fixed IPs. To summarize: It looks like we can't have POP3+SSL+Relay control + running in a secure way. SMTP is not secure. That's just the way it is. There is no reason to run SSL on your SMTP port. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 4:09am up 137 days, 1:24, 9 users, load average: 0.05, 0.03, 0.00
Re: SSL POP3
On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 11:22:18AM -0400, Dave Sill wrote: Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SMTP is not secure. That's just the way it is. There is no reason to run SSL on your SMTP port. How about privacy? It's not as good as end-to-end, e.g. using PGP, but it's better than nothing. The point is that unless you're sending mail to a local user, the same e-mail is just going to get sent back out, un-encrypted, over the internet. So why bother encrypting it from the client to the server? --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 12:59pm up 137 days, 10:14, 9 users, load average: 0.05, 0.02, 0.00
Re: SSL POP3
On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 04:58:05PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Andrzej [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 23 October 2000 at 13:59:20 +0200 On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 04:59:52PM -0400, Hubbard, David wrote: You can use stunnel to encapsulate qmail-pop3d withing SSL. [...] stunnel and other SSL wrappers work great, but then qmail sees all connections incoming from localhost. It's not possible to use the "POP3 before SMTP" relay controls any more. Am I missing something here, or will allowing relaying from localhost solve the problem? Assuming you want to allow relaying for anybody allowed to establish an ssl connect to do pop, anyway. The problem is that when using SSL-SMTP, every connection looks like its coming from localhost, so your relay control is gone. The best you can do is control who you want connecting to the SSL port. I think that the reason the author recommends running thru ined (I use tcpserver myself) is that he doesn't consider the program secure enough to run as root. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 6:17pm up 135 days, 15:33, 10 users, load average: 0.04, 0.02, 0.00
Re: problem in pop3d
On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 01:03:41AM -0700, Gaurav Parajuli wrote: my computer crashes when prince tries to go through the secret door of the library. Please provide help. Yeah, you need to power surge the drivers. What's your username again? clickety click --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 5:48am up 133 days, 3:04, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Re: orbs and qmail
On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 03:36:23PM +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote: Recently, after running qmail for 3 years on our primary mail server, we found ourselves listed on orbs. It seems we were acting as an open relay and that many mailers were simply bouncing mail from our domain. I made a check of the server and all was well but when I checked it from the facility at abuse.net I found it was reporting an open relay. The problem it seems stems from qmails handling of one of the tests has qmail accepting the mail and dealing with it internally, so that probably ever qmail server will eventually end up listed on orbs, with an incorrectly assumed open relay. No. This is NOT the reason you were listed. Hosts are added to ORBS only AFTER the relay test is received back by the tester. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 3:16am up 132 days, 32 min, 10 users, load average: 0.07, 0.03, 0.00
Re: orbs and qmail
On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 07:41:09AM +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote: Typically, ORBS requires the delivery of a piece of email via the alleged open relay before adding that host ot its list. A properly configured qmail server will not act as an open relay even as it fails the abuse.net test. So what is point of having a test that does not give correct results? It would seem any qmail server will fail the test as qmail will accept the miscreant mail and deal with it internally. This behaviour, according to ORBS, will have you listed as an open relay. Are you a moron, or can you just not read? Do I have to quote from the ORBS web site? "ORBS only counts a host as open if it actually delivers the test messages. Bounces are ignored for databasing purposes. Most of the online testers which perform multiple tests stop as soon as one envelope is accepted, so may give misleading results if they don't actually check for delivery and continue the test sequence if the message isn't delivered." http://www.orbs.org/envelopes.html --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 4:47pm up 132 days, 14:02, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Re: Bogus MAIL FROM (SPAM)
On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 08:33:54PM -0400, Aaron Newcomb wrote: So, are you saying there is no way to block certain hosts in qmail? I find that hard to believe. Qmail has been a pretty good package so far, and I can't believe that would be so limited in this area. Also, what do you mean I will not be able to "receive mail from a large percentage of the domains on the internet." You stated that you want to block mail from hosts that have a different domain in the SMTP MAIL FROM: and the HELO. You obviously don't understand the implications of what you are asking. Do you think that every mail domain on the internet is hosted on a separate machine? I have not had any problems up to this point. Lastly, I am not sure what comment you are trying to make about my MCSE certification, but I am proud of the training I have had on all the operating systems I work with whether they be MS, UX, Linux or otherwise. I'm proud of you too. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 6:29pm up 127 days, 15:45, 8 users, load average: 0.19, 0.08, 0.02
Re: Bogus MAIL FROM (SPAM)
On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:29:42PM -0400, Tony Publiski (tonyp) wrote: Notice that the HELO and the MAIL FROM: lines have completely different domains. The MAIL FROM they are using is a bogus address. What is the best way to prevent email like this from being accepted? You don't. You also will not be able to receive mail from a large percentage of the domains on the internet. Thanks, Aaron Newcomb, MCSE -- gee, that wasn't obvious. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA| connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A| Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 3:02am up 126 days, 18 min, 9 users, load average: 1.47, 1.03, 0.53
