Re: qmail + mutt

2001-05-20 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Bruno Wolff III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 18 May 2001:
 My solution (which you might want to mention in your qmail help) is:
 
 set sendmail=/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject -h
 set write_bcc=yes

But won't this break the b(ounce) functionality?  Although the
qmail-inject man page says it knows about the Resent-To etc. headers,
but how do it determine when a message is forwarded and when it isn't?

I'm simply using

  sendmail=/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject

... and this works just fine.  I do use write_bcc=yes but that's
because I want to see the Bcc header in my saved copies of outgoing
email, not because it's needed when sending.


Regards,
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Re: Using fetchmail with qmail

2001-05-20 Thread Mikko Hänninen

David Talkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sun, 20 May 2001:
 There's really nothing special about such a configuration; fetchmail
 just delivers mail to whoever is listening on 25.  As long as qmail
 will accept deliveries for localhost, it works great.  I do this on my
 laptop.

There is one gotcha, you have to enable the forcecr option in your
.fetchmail configuration, if you're using delivery via localhost port
25.  This is documented as a qmail quirk (or something) in the
fetchmail documentation, but it *is* documented at least...  Without
this setting, qmail will reject the emails due to the CR/LF line ending
issue.

At least, it used to be this way.


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Re: Qmail and time zone

2001-03-05 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Kari Suomela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sun, 04 Mar 2001:
 That's probably what it should be doing, except it's not doing it 
 right. The Date header should include the TZ, i.e. GMT offset.

"Should" as in "you want" (as has been pointed out).

Anyway, to me it appears that a simple perl script (or whatever) could
be used to fix this "problem".  Simply make the script call the real
qmail-inject or qmail sendmail wrapper, then first print out the Date
header (in whatever format/timezone/etc.) and finally copy all of the
input to output.

I'm even volunteering to write this perl script for you, if you don't
know how to do it yourself, or can't find anyone else to do it for you.
(If you need me to write it for you, please contact me in private.)


Hope this helps,
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Re: Return address for autoresponder

2001-02-26 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Karl Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sun, 25 Feb 2001:
If I'm reading the RFCs correctly, the right order is "Reply-to:", then
"From:", then "Sender:".

How about using the envelope sender (ie. return-path)?

I missed the original message, so maybe this isn't really applicable,
but in general you should take mailing lists into account.  On most
mailing lists, including this one, the right return address is not
found in any of those headers.

Of course, one should try to avoid sending auto-replies to list emails
at all, but chances are you'll never be able to detect with 100%
accuracy all list emails, so should count on it happening sometime.


Regards,
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Re: newlines in dot-qmail files?

2001-02-25 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Wolfgang Zeikat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sun, 25 Feb 2001:
 the program delivery lines in my dot-qmail files are beginning to get
 lengthy -
 for example with if ... elif statements and such ...
 
 is there a way to continue a line on the next line in order to keep an
 overwiew and make editing easier?

How about making a separate shell script and simply put a

  |yourscript.sh

in the .qmail file?


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User mail delivery statistics

2000-11-14 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Hi,

I'm currently using a single address for all my list mail, and I run
procmail to filter the emails to their respective mail folders.  I'd
like to switch to separate addresses (one per list) and filter the
mails with .qmail-listname files.  However, the reason I've not yet
changed is that I have a nice perl script that reads procmail's log
file and tells me statistics about the delivered mail.  Here's an
example output:

Delivered mail messages:
IN.42: 1
IN.corrs: 1
IN.corrs-friends: 27
INBOX: 4
own: 1
Total of 34 delivered messages in 5 folders.

Before I switch to separate .qmail-list mail filtering, I want to have
similar kind of mail accounting/statistics in place.  It should be
simple enough, just add an additional delivery instruction to a program
that will log the mail.  And then have a separate program for displaying
the current statistics and possibly clearing the accumulated data.

My question is, has anyone yet done such a program?  I looked on the
qmail.org web page, but couldn't find anything.  If there is no such
program, I guess I will have to write it myself.


Regards,
Mikko
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Re: Qmail + sendmail wrapper + PHP's mail()

2000-08-11 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Jason J. Czerak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 11 Aug 2000:
 open("/root/.lists", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) 

This is the lists/Mail-Followup-To feature in qmail-inject, it will add
a Mail-Followup-To header to your mail if you're sending mail to a
mailing list you're subscribed to, as listed in your ~/.lists file.
Unfortunately, in su-situations, qmail-inject apparently gets a little
confused about where it should try to look for the file.

Sorry that I can't really be helpful, as I don't know how this can be
fixed or how this feature can be turned off, but hopefully you can at
least understand what is going on.

I also think the error reporting on qmail-inject's part in this case is
not really good enough...


Hope this helps,
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Re: (still) POP over SSH trouobles

2000-06-22 Thread Mikko Hänninen

David Benfell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 22 Jun 2000:
 poll antares.x port 0 user benfell pass 
 preconnect "ssh -C -f [EMAIL PROTECTED] -L 
0:antares.x:110 sleep 5"

Ok, so you're telling fetchmail here that for retrieving email,
it should connect to the server antares.x at port 110
(and some other stuff).

Then the preconnect command starts up a ssh connection, which
includes a port forwarding of 0 on the localhost to the port 110
on the remote system.

End result: fetchmail tries to connect to port 0 on the remote
server, not on localhost, where the forward has been set up.

Adding a "via localhost" there should fix your problems.

 Warning: Remote host denied X11 forwarding, perhaps xauth program
 could not be run on the server side.
 fetchmail: POP3 connection to antares.x failed: Connection
 refused
 fetchmail: Query status=SOCKET
 Warning: Remote host denied X11 forwarding, perhaps xauth program
 could not be run on the server side.
 Local: bind: Address already in use

Presumably you get "Address already in use" because these two poll
attempts were so close to each other, than the previous ssh session
hadn't yet exited when you already started the second one.  You can
only have on ssh forwarding a specific port on the system at a time.


Hope this helps,
Mikko
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Re: qmail-smtpd and fetchmail

2000-06-20 Thread Mikko Hänninen

crond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 20 Jun 2000:
 Is there a way to make fetchmail use this alternative combined with
 qmail?

I have the following line in my .fetchmailrc:

  mda "/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject -a someuser"

Although that's actually something I don't use currently, but I think
I've tested that it works.


Regards,
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Re: the point with the dot in dot-qmail

2000-06-08 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Jens Georg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 09 Jun 2000:
 is there no way to get forwarding working with the "." ?

Yes, there is a way.  Use : instead of the . in the dot-qmail file.
eg. .qmail-bob:miller for an address of "bob.miller".


Regards,
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Re: setlock-ing serialmail?

2000-05-18 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Paulo Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 18 May 2000:
   1) maildirsmtp gets executed. The server starts sending out the 30 Mb.
 or so of messages.
   2) After 30 minutes, the queue hasn't been sent completely yet, but
 another instance of maildirsmtp is started, and begins sending messages
 from the queue again.

When I was using a similar setup, I had this code snippet as part of my
"pppdeliver" script that invoked maildirsmtp:

# Sanity check to avoid two copies running simultaneously
if [ -e $PIDFILE ]; then
  # pppdeliver is already running
  OTHERPID=`cat $PIDFILE`
  logger -t pppdeliver -p mail.notice [$$] Already running at PID $OTHERPID
  exit 1
else
  echo $$  $PIDFILE
fi

It's not secure etc. etc. but it worked. :-)
Also the script would of course rm $PIDFILE before exiting.

Anyway, any other sort of locking mechanism should work just as well I
imagine.  Sorry, I don't know enough about maildirsmtp to answer your
other questions.


Regards,
Mikko
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Re: spool vs individual files

2000-05-12 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 12 May 2000:
 Deleting a message from an mbox requires reading the entire file and
 writing it all back out, except for the deleted message. Deleting a
 message from a maildir only requires unlinking the file containing the 
 message. Again, updating the mbox requires locking.

Actually, to be specific, if the client is smart only the part from the
deleted email onwards need to be written out.  If you delete the last
message from an mbox folder, the file only needs to be truncated.


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Re: Lowercasing non-ASCII chars?

2000-05-09 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Patrick Bihan-Faou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 08 May 2000:
 Exactly my point: if you use such email addresses you will make it difficult
 for a lot of people to send you email. I know there is a reply button on
 outlook and once your email is in my address book, I don't have to worry
 anymore... But then I may have other problems (outlook love bug)...
 
 Plus the fact that it is tolerated by some email agents does not make it
 right. You may also cause problems with some servers/clients that are not as
 tolerant... My position would be: if it is not allowed by the standard,
 don't do it.

Hmmm, I guess you missed the paragraph in the original email, where I
said that I know it's not a good idea to use such email addresses, and
I'll only use it as a safety catch in case someone (ie. someone local)
happens to use mikko.hänninen@myserver instead of
mikko.hanninen@myserver by accident.  It's an easy enough mistake to
make (for a Finn anyway).

I wouldn't actually use such addresses, as in advertise or put them in
my emails...


If you have further questions please send them to me private since
this doesn't involve qmail anymore, thanks.


Regards,
Mikko
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Re: Lowercasing non-ASCII chars?

2000-05-09 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Bob Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 08 May 2000:
 To belabor what is perhaps obvious by now, RFC822 forbids 8-bit
 characters in the local-part of an address (or anywhere else, for that
 matter).  The key lines are as follows:
 
  atom=  1*any CHAR except specials, SPACE and CTLs
  CHAR=  any ASCII character; (  0-177,  0.-127.)
 
 I haven't actually seen this particular violation in use; has anybody
 else?

I'm not sure what you refer to with "this particular violation"; since
I've seen subject headers that contained 8-bit characters.  I've even
sent them myself in the past (a long time ago), elm allowed one to send
both From and Subject headers with 8bit character content, without
MIME-encoding.  Since my name contains an 8bit character I'm well
familiar with the issue.  It's kind of annoying, since my options are
either to spell it wrong (Hanninen) or to use the real form which gets
MIME-encoded and then doesn't display properly with every email client.
Well, such is life.

If you mean just the fact that someone puts an 8bit character in the
actual recipient *email address*, no I've not seen that.  Like I said
elsewhere, I can conceive it as an easy mistake to make though, if
someone is hand-typing my address.  I'm not sure how email clients and
servers would treat such a message, but if it gets as far as my server
I think it would be nice if it gets delivered to me. :-)


Regards,
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Lowercasing non-ASCII chars?

2000-05-08 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Hi,

I'm wondering if qmail will also lowercase the non-ASCII (or, "high
ASCII", 8bit) characters in local email addresses?  For example, if
I create ~alias/.qmail-mikko:hänninen, will this catch both
mikko.hänninen@myserver and MIKKO.HÄNNINEN@myserver, or do I need to
have two .qmail files?

I looked in the man pages, but the only reference I could find to
lowercasing was in dot-qmail, which said simply that qmail will convert
upper case letters to lower case.


And yes, I know it's not a good idea to use 8bit characters in the
email addresses.  I'm not planning to use these addresses except as a
safety catch in case someone happens to use them by accident...


Regards,
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Re: Lowercasing non-ASCII chars?

2000-05-08 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Peter van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 08 May 2000:
 This code only converts A-Z to a-z, all else is left alone.

Right, thanks for the answer. :-)

 Yeah well since it doesn't support LOCALE 'n stuff, it can't now which
 characters are special in your country.

Indeed, though it doesn't say one way or another about local support.
I guess the reasonable assumption in that case is that it doesn't,
but...


[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 08 May 2000:
 Correct. Uppercase LETTERS (my emphasis :). The typical preciseness of these
 manpages suggests to me that if it says letters, then that's all it means,
 no more, no less...and a quick squizz at the source confirms this.

Ahh, hmm.  But ä, ö and å *are* letters in the Finnish alphabet, so by
that logic it should convert them?  My point is that the man page is
*not* precise in this instance (it doesn't specify only English
letters), although it is possible that elsewhere it's stated that qmail
does not have locale support.

Maybe you think of this as obvious, if you live in an English speaking
country, but it doesn't strike me as such, living in a non-English
speaking country.

 Oh, and you'd need a *lot* more than two qmail files if it didn't do
 this. What if someone sent to extensions like Mikko, mIkko, miKko, etc?

Yes, of course.  I'd prefer to have only one, but I can live with
needing two. :-)


Thanks for the answers, again.
Mikko
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Re: accustamp|tailocal|matchup

2000-05-04 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 04 May 2000:
 So what? Do you have a quota on the number of times tailocal can be
 run?

I'm not the person asking the question, but I'm guessing that the
annoyance factor of having to do

  tailocal  logfile | less

instead of

  less logfile

is quite high.  I wonder if there is some automagical solution that
could be used with lessopen.sh, or something else?  It's of course
possible to create an alias or whatever, but that also has an annoyance
factor greater than the simplest form, since you'd need to use a
separate command for the mail logs.


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Re: network connection dies randomly?

2000-04-04 Thread Mikko Hänninen

John W. Lemons III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 04 Apr 2000:
 Another detail that may help...  When the connection appears hung,
 netstat -r
 hangs before it reports the default route.  I can't even kill it.  Is the
 routing table getting hosed?  If so, how?

Usually when "netstat -r" appears to hang, it's because it is trying to
do a DNS (hostname) lookup for the entries it will display, but the DNS
service is not responding properly.  Althought a ctrl-C should make it
stop if that's the problem.

It's easy to test if that is the problem thought: try using netstat -rn
instead of netstat -r.  The extra n tells netstat not to do any name
lookups.  If netstat -rn prints stuff but netstat -r doesn't, then you
have a DNS problem.

Note that the DNS problem might be a symptom, not a cause...  If your
net connection is not working and your configured DNS server is beyond
that non-working connection, DNS lookups will of course appear to block
(until timeout) and then fail.


Regards,
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Re: Still can't run qmail from init script

2000-03-30 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Irwan Hadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 29 Mar 2000:
 but when I edited the file with vi, I didn't see any ^M trailer on it ;)

Some versions of vi (notably vim, at least), will be "smart" enough to
handle DOS/Windows-style line endings transparently.  Also, less does
the same.  So if your editor/viewer doesn't show them, that doesn't
mean they couldn't be there.

 I got the file directly from web.infoave.net/~dsill/qmail-script-dt61.txt,
 and I got the file using lynx, so I don't get the file using netscape for
 windows first and transfer it to the server.

Funny that.  I did that and I got the ^M's in that document.  Either
the file really has them in there, or the server (what is OSU/2.0
anyway?) adds them.  If it's a Windows-based server I could easily
see that happening.

Dave, if you're listening, you might want to look into finding out
why the file has ^M's when downloaded.


Regards,
Mikko
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Re: Still can't run qmail from init script

2000-03-29 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Stephen F. Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 29 Mar 2000:
 Irwan Hadi wrote:
 
  I'm becoming quite desperate now, because qmail still refuse to run under
  init script
  I use init script from Live With qmail, and after I've done all the
  requirements and do
  . /usr/local/sbin/qmail start
  then the result
  : command not found
  ': not a valid identifier
  : command not found
  'ash: /usr/local/sbin/qmail: line 6: syntax error near unexpected token ' in
  'ash: /usr/local/sbin/qmail: line 6: 'case "$1" in

Looks like a classic case of having DOS/Windows-style line endings in
a shell script, instead of Unix-style.  Get rid of the ctrl-M characters
and it should work fine after that.  Something like:

  tr -d '\r'  oldfile  newfile

... should do the trick, if your favourite editor won't allow you to
remove them.

 What shell are you using?

Judging from the output, bash.


Hope this helps,
Mikko
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Re: Problems with qmail startup script on Red Hat 6.1

2000-03-22 Thread Mikko Hänninen

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 22 Mar 2000:
 + PATH=/var/qmail/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
 + export /var/qmail/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
 export: /var/qmail/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin: not a legal variable
 name

 The "not a legal variable name" on the export line still worries me. Why is
 it telling me that? Is the script still not correct?

I can't tell for sure without seeing your script, however I'm guessing
you have "export $PATH" in your script, where it should be
"export PATH".  By including the $, the PATH environment variable gets
expanded *before* the export command sees it, and so it's trying to
export a variable which name is the contents of the PATH variable.
This is not how it should work, of course. :-)  If you have it written
as $PATH, get rid of the $ (this is on the line with the export
command).

In fact this does not affect the startup of qmail at all apart from the
error getting displayed, because the PATH variable gets reset properly
with the env-command just a little later, when svscan is started.  So
svscan gets the proper path.  (Probably.)


I still think that the original error you had was a stray ^M (CR)
character at the export command line, like this: "export PATH^M", so
export complained it couldn't find a variable called "PATH^M".  You're
*not* supposed to have a $ in front of the variable when doing export.


Regards,
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Re: Problems with qmail startup script on Red Hat 6.1

2000-03-22 Thread Mikko Hänninen

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 22 Mar 2000:
 : command not foundil:

This might be a garbled error message that you get when the shell script
has bad EOL chars (eg. Windows-style CR LF, instead of the unix LF
only).  You get CR in the error message as the last char of the command
it tried to execute, or the last char of the variable, or whatever.  And
when printed, the cursor goes to the beginning of the line and the
subsequent ": command not found" overwrites the beginning of the line...

Check the line endings in the shell script, I'm guessing you've imported
it from a Windows system it's got CR LF endings when it should have only
LF.


Hope this helps,
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Re: Dropping mail?

2000-03-13 Thread Mikko Hänninen

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 13 Mar 2000:
 What is the most effecient way to setup QMail to discard email?

A '#' in a .qmail file with nothing else in there.


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Re: All mail for a domain into a single POP box (HOWTO?)

2000-03-09 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Svenne Krap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 09 Mar 2000:
 Something in me yells "fetchmail" and "serialmail" is that correct ?

That's what I'd do.


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Re: Forward and retain a copy

2000-03-09 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Christopher Tarricone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 09 Mar 2000:
 Is there a way in qmail to forward a copy of an e-mail to another
 accoutn but still retain a copy on my server for archive purposes.

Put this in the .qmail file for the account:

  remote@address
  ./Mailbox

... this will forward to remote@address as well as store a copy in the
local mail folder called "Mailbox" in the user's home dir.  If you use
Maildir, replace ./Mailbox with "./Maildir/".  For more information
what you can do in .qmail, do "man dot-qmail".


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Re: user masquerading problem ??

2000-03-01 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Stein Ma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 01 Mar 2000:
 In a few seconds, the ISP rejected saying "Sender Domain 
 must exist".
 I tried added QMAILSUSER,QMAILSHOST,QMAILUSER,QMAILHOST,
 MAILUSER,MAILHOST to .bash_profile to activate "user masquerading"
 but still no success.

These settings will only affect mail deliver which has been sent from
that bash session.  The bounced email that you showed had an X-Mailer
header indicating it was sent by MS Outlook Express, which couldn't
possibly have invoked qmail-inject for mail sending (and the headers
confirm this).  So you need to make sure in Outlook Express that your
From header is correct, because Outlook will set the envelope sender
to that address.  Or, alternatively, you need to run a script before
sending out the mail with maildirsmtp that changes the envelope sender
information.

 FYI, fidamy.com is my local domain, fida.com is the server at U.S.

Now, to back to the bounce error.
The error should be self-explanatory, you're not allowed to send email
because the sending address' domain must exist.  At least I can't see
any entries for that domain (fidamy.com), so perhaps that's why you get
the bounce.  Get the nameserver issues sorted out for your domain, and
your mail will then go through.


Hope this helps,
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Re: Encryption and t-shirts

2000-02-29 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Adrian Urquhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 29 Feb 2000:
 I like the designs, and have a small suggestion for the slogan(s) which
 is to dump the "mail" in each, so that they become:
 
 Don't queue with sendmail
 
 Send with qmail

I think these lose the "pun" in the phrases...  Same if "mail" were to
be replaced with "it".

Then again, I'm not going to be getting one of these t-shirts, unless
someone is willing to donate me the money for one, so maybe my opinion
doesn't count. :-)  I really like the original slogan though.


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Re: Maildir and procmail

2000-02-24 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Len Budney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 24 Feb 2000:
  Mail to me with a subject of test goes to the specified maildir. Is it
  really necessary to append /new to the name of the Maildir?
 
 Yes, unless you 1) use a patched procmail, or 2) use an external
 delivery program.

Or, 3) you use the latest version of procmail which supports maildirs
natively.  (I've yet to hear this confirmed working, but the version
announcement said it supports them, so...)


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Re: Maildir and procmail

2000-02-24 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Manfred Bartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 25 Feb 2000:
 I am using procmail v3.13.1 and it will deliver individual messages
 into a directory, but it has no concept of qmail-type Maildirs or of
 atomic writing as done by qmail.

That's not the latest version of procmail.  I was talking about 3.14.

You can see the changes for the latest version on the procmail homepage,
at http://www.procmail.org.  To quote:

  The current version of procmail is 3.14. The current version of
  SmartList is 3.13. 

  Procmail version 3.14 adds support for the maildir mailbox format and
  the SWITCHRC variable, and fixes sundry small bugs and annoyances.

 To get procmail to deliver into a directory you would use a
 redirection with a trailing slash, e.g.: 
 /usr/home/mob/Maildir/new/

The new/ part shouldn't be needed with the latest procmail version.
Again, I've not verified this personally though.


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Re: TZ for qmail

2000-02-23 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Aled Treharne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 23 Feb 2000:
 Where can I set the TZ for qmail? It's currently using GMT (although both my
 h/w clock and my TZ is set to EST). This kinda gets annoying. :)

advert

I'll just add a note that I've written a patch for the Mutt mailer
which will translate all Received header dates to the local TZ.  It's
not too pretty, but it works for me.
My patch can be found at http://www.iki.fi/wiz/mutt/
Mutt home page is at http://www.mutt.org/

/advert


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Re: qq write error or disk full (#4.3.0)

2000-02-05 Thread Mikko Hänninen

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sat, 05 Feb 2000:
 This is what the output of my 'df' command shows, so I don't think that
 it's a disk full issue...

Actually, it probably is.

 Filesystem  1K-blocks UsedAvail Capacity  Mounted on
 /dev/wd0s1e 1981511179 705161%/var

qmail is (usually) installed under /var, and this is where the queue is
too.  This line above shows that you have approximately 7MB of free disk
space on /var, so a 21MB email couldn't possibly fit there.  Also keep
in mind that file attachements grow in size when sent with emails, a
21MB file as an attachment is more like 30MB in the email.

Actually, your /var is in its entirety is less than 20MB...  Very tiny,
for a mail spool partition.


Hope this helps,
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Re: Aliases

2000-01-29 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Mikael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sat, 29 Jan 2000:
 I want to receive mail for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and have it delivered
 to dee on the local system.
 
 ehm, do you have a /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-deemac file?
 if not, create it and type [EMAIL PROTECTED] in it and it should do 
 the trick for you.

Shouldn't the contents be "dee@localhost" or maybe just "dee"?
(The  is optional.)  [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where it's going,
but he wanted it to go to the user "dee" on the local system.


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Re: Qmail crashing TCP/IP-stack

2000-01-28 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Mark Delany [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 28 Jan 2000:
 A lot of people say this and I don't see a particular reason why it
 should be the case. Both POP and SMTP do little more than read a file
 and write it to a socket. ftp does little more than read a file and
 write it to a socket. In the case of binary, the file will be encoded,
 big deal.

I don't quite agree.  HTML is a good example of why, it's a document
structure defining language overall, yet people have insisted on adding
formatting/display specific features to it.  These features don't work
too well, anyone who's working with web design knows the problems.  The
fundamental problem here is using a tool for something it was not
designed for.  A screwdriver makes for a bad hammer: though it may
work for small nails, for large nails you need something that can't
really be called a screwdriver anymore.

The same reason is why I think in principle email shouldn't be used
for large file transfer, similar problems will (and have) come up.
Using the right tool for each job is still sound advice.


Mikko,
feeling philosophical, and somewhat off-topic apparently
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Re: Maildir format

2000-01-14 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Ondrej Surý [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 14 Jan 2000:
 From libc-client4.7 documentation:
 --strip--
  The Maildir format used by qmail has all of the performance
 disadvantages of mh noted above, with the additional problem

snip

 Could someone comment this?

Well, I can say something from a user's perspective.


About scaling...

I just tried opening a Maildir folder with close to 8000 messages in
it (using Mutt, my preferred client).  The folder is in my home dir,
which is NFS-mounted over 100Mbit ethernet.  It took over a minute,
but not quite 2 minutes (although this is just a guess, I didn't time).
Considering the number of messages, it didn't seem like too outrageous
a waiting time.  mbox format would be faster (depending on message size
of course), but I'm not sure how much.  I'd estimate probably not more
than 50%, perhaps less, based on my handling of mbox folders which have
over 1 messages in them.

I have experienced somewhat lengthy "freezes" while Mutt re-scans the
Maildir if there are a lot of messages in there.


But, the commentary completely misses the good points and the purpose
of Maildirs: that they're ideal for incoming mail delivery, especially
when the folder is accesses over NFS (whether "access" delivery or
reading or both).  Maildir format is not something you should be using
for email archival, or for very large mail folders.  However, the lack
of locking requirement is a big win over NFS.


I can see that there might be a problem with shared folder access if the
filenames change, however I don't see how the situation is any better
with other folder formats that require locking and then possibly
re-reading of the entire folder if one message changes.  Shared access
is tricky, no matter what kind of folder format you have.  Also, I'm not
sure whether the filenames are supposed to change (are they?), because
an email client needs to read in the headers from each message anyway
in order to display them, so status information could also be kept
there as with the mbox format.


In the end, I've been using Maildirs happily for (over?) a year now,
and they work very well in practice.  I use mbox format for email
archival, Maildir for incoming folders.  I haven't noticed any of the
problems at all that they talk of, with moderate size (1000 messages
or less) folders.  And Mutt as the MUA seems to handle them just fine.


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Re: pop3 and ip adres logging

2000-01-13 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Van Liedekerke Franky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 13 Jan 2000:
 This probably works, but I'm using tcpserver and multilog, so how can I
 achieve this kind of logging using those tools?

I'm curious about this as well.  I'm still using inetd for POP, but I'm
planning to migrate over to tcpserver sometime.  Mostly, I'd like to
know how to log all of the POP connections, not just the successfully
authenticated ones.  In case someone tries to crack the passwords or
something like that.


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Re: Another compile error

2000-01-04 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Kristina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 04 Jan 2000:
 Jan  4 11:14:49 ldaptest qmail: 946952089.151836 alert: unable to opendir to
 do,
 sleeping...

 I do not understand why qmail is trying to open the directory
 "todo" which is in the source directory of ldap:
 ldap/doc/deve/todo !

Are you sure it's this directory? (And what makes you think it is?)
There's also /var/qmail/queue/todo, which is a much more likely source
for qmail's complaint.


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Re: Delivering mail into a SQL table

2000-01-04 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Bill Ataras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 03 Jan 2000:
 Are there any patches that let me deliver mail messages into a SQL
 database (mysql preferrably) instead of Maildir ?

Patches?  What do you need patches for?  I would imagine a (relatively)
simple program which takes an email message in standard input and writes
it to the database would be sufficient, it could possibly also look at
environment variables for recipient information.  Then just use this
from the appropriate .qmail files.


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Re: 7 bit ascii qmail

2000-01-04 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Holger Hug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 04 Jan 2000:
 Is there any possibility to cause qmail to convert a deliberate
 character set into "US-ASCII" before sending them off ?

Not in qmail itself, I believe.

 At the moment, I don't have an idea where to start. Perhaps there is a
 possibility to install a script ?

How are the emails created?  By injecting them into the queue with
qmail-inject?  If that's the case, you could insert another script
in front of that, which changes the emails accordingly before calling
qmail-inject.

If the emails are sent "remotely", via SMTP, then you need to fix the
sending the end.  Or perhaps set up a special SMTP port or something
which runs a script on the emails, but that sounds like it's getting
complex.

Anyway, you likely do need to get this fixed *before* qmail sees the
emails, however they are getting to it.


Hope this helps,
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Re: What MUA do you use?

2000-01-04 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Bill Ataras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 04 Jan 2000:
 Just curious what people are using to read/send mail from X.

Mutt running in an aterm, formerly in xterm.  Simply incredibly powerful
and configurable.  Superb support for mailing lists (Does any other MUA
have a "list reply" function? I don't know, but they should.) and
multiple incoming mail folders.  Email threading.  Native support for
Maildirs, of course.

For POP support, I'd use fetchmail, or some alternative.
procmail for the filtering (maildrop would work just as well).
No news support in Mutt, though there's patches available for that
(I don't know how good they are, but I guess some people use them).


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Re: qmail-inject

1999-12-27 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Kristina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 28 Dec 1999:
 My qmail is starting okay, however when I try to do a mail test:
 echo to: kristina | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject
 
 The following error is returned:
 stty: : No such device or address
 
 Does anyone know what could be causing this?

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing you have a stty command in either your
personal .profile for that user, or in the /etc/profile file.  The shell
gets invoked for the pipe, including executing the startup file(s), but
there's no attached tty, and so stty complains.

If you're using something else than bash (or relative), adjust the above
by substituting your shell's startup files...


In any case, it's very likely not a qmail problem, qmail doesn't execute
stty.


HTH,
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Re: Sendmail Virtusertable equivalent?

1999-12-06 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Michael T. Halligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 06 Dec 1999:
  Otherwise on /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains put one line like:
  virtualdomain.com:user
 
 but that doesn't help me if i want to forward
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sure it does (or I don't understand your problem then).

 could i do a 
 
 @blah.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ? 


If you have this in virtualdomains:
virtualdomain.com:virtuser

(note virtuser is not a real user on the system)

Then you create ~alias/.qmail-virtuser-default
And possibly ~alias/.qmail-virtuser-blah

@virtualdomain.com addressed mail will by default follow the
.qmail-virtuser-default delivery instructions.  The email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] will follow the instructions in
.qmail-virtuser-blah.  And so on.  You have a default delivery rule,
and can make as many exceptions as you like.  You can also have the
default delivery instructions be as complex as you like, if needed
(pipe into a program or whatever).  Is this not what you want?


Disclaimer: I don't use virtualdomains myself, so possibly these
instructions are wrong.  If so, I'm sure someone will correct me. :-)


Hope this helps,
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Re: qmail-1.03-maxrcpt.patch

1999-11-11 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Magnus Bodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 11 Nov 1999:
 ftp://ftp.surfnetcity.com.au/pub/unix/qmail/qmail-1.01-maxrcpt.patch

But wasn't the question about a patch for qmail 1.03, not 1.01?


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Re: Summary: Procmail

1999-11-03 Thread Mikko Hänninen

eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 03 Nov 1999:
 1. You can use ~/.procmailrc with the last recipe being 
 DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/new/.

I guess this works even with an unpatched procmail, but it's *much*
better to have procmail with the maildir support patch, and then
*NOT* to use that /new/ at the end there.  You get all those "nice
wonderfully unique filenames" too.

 :0
 $DEFAULT
 
 (note this must come after all recipes have been processed).
 
 This solution works but does not leave those wonderfully unique file 
 names like Qmail normally would delivery.

That's the default behaviour of procmail anyway -- if all recipes have
been processed and the mail is not delivered, it's placed into $DEFAULT.
You don't need to have an excplicit recipe for that.  Not that it hurts
if you do, either.

 :0
 |maildir $HOME/Maildir

I guess the advantage of this is that you don't need to patch procmail.
It's also better than using a non-patched procmail to deliver to
"Maildir/new/".


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Re: Problem receiving mail (long)

1999-11-02 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 02 Nov 1999:
 Probably should be ./Mailbox or ./Maildir/, but you've got a hybrid.

Not that there's technically anything wrong with a having Maildir named
"Mailbox", but it's confusing to humans. :-)  And probably not what was
intended.


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Re: Procmail.

1999-11-02 Thread Mikko Hänninen

eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 02 Nov 1999:
 MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir

For procmail, $MAILDIR is the default location of mail folders.
Typically this is ~/Mail, or ~/mail.  You probably do not want it
to be pointing to ~/Maildir, unless you plan to having actual mail
folders (mbox style or maildir style, either) under the directory
~/Maildir

You likely want to do this instead:
DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir


 :0
 $MAILDIR/new/.

Here's the second problem.  With the maildir patch to procmail (at least
the one I use), maildir folders are handled just like mbox folders.
That means you do *not* specify the "new" in the folder name.  I think
you may place an ending / there, to make it obvious it's a maildir, but
if the folder exists and is a maildir that isn't a requirement.  I'm not
sure how procmail behaves if the folder doesn't yet exist, the trailing
/ could have an effect then.


Hope this helps,
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Re: Setuser not found

1999-10-26 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Peter Abplanalp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 26 Oct 1999:
 Do I need to install the old version of 
 daemontools or can I make the new version work somehow?  Thanks.

Yes, if you follow Life With Qmail, you need to use the old version
of daemontools (0.53?).  There's nothing particularly wrong with that
version.


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Re: smarthost

1999-10-26 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Attila Csosz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 26 Oct 1999:
 I'd like to send my mails through a smarthost not directly from my computer.
 How could I setup qmail to send emails through smarthost?

Add

:your.smart.host

into /var/qmail/control/smtproutes


Hope this helps,
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Re: Net::POP3 perl doesn't work

1999-10-24 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Jon Rust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sat, 23 Oct 1999:
 The Net:POP3 login method expects to get a message count back after a 
 successful login. Qmail's pop3d does not provide a message count, so 
 it's impossible to tell if login succeeded (- login() always returns 
 as a "fail"). Is there a patch available to qmail's pop3d to return 
 the number of messages after a successful login?

I haven't actually verified this in practice, but it looks like the
Net::POP3 module will return undef if the login (or pass) command
fails.  If the login is successfull, it will return either 0 or the
number of messages, if that was given in the password reply.

So you don't need to look for patch to pop3d, instead in the perl
script you should be checking for a return value of undef instead
of non-zero to indicate login failure.  Not doing this will give you
a "failed login" even on servers which do give the message count, but
the mailbox just happened to be empty.


Hope this helps,
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Re: Net::POP3 perl doesn't work

1999-10-24 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Mikko Hänninen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sun, 24 Oct 1999:
 So you don't need to look for patch to pop3d, instead in the perl
 script you should be checking for a return value of undef instead
 of non-zero to indicate login failure.

Oops, I meant of course "not true", not "non-zero".


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Re: adding Mailbox contents to a Maildir

1999-10-17 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Cris Daniluk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sun, 17 Oct 1999:
 Is there an existing script that will merge a Mailbox into an existing
 Maildir? We're trying to combine two existing servers into one, but one uses
 Maildir and the other uses Mailbox. I'd write my own, but just as soon use
 an existing one if available

If you have mutt installed, it's fairly easy to create a mutt
commandline that does this, something like:

mutt -f =mboxfolder -e 'push "T~A\n\;s=maildirfolder\nq"'

(just off the top of my head, so you'd need to check and possibly
further develop that, also note if you don't have $folder set
appropriately for Mutt, then you need to use full paths instead of
the = shortcut)


Apparently I also have a mbox2maildir perl script, the credits of which
say:
# put into the public domain by Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
# based heavily on code by Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I imagine I got this from the qmail page, but I'd be happy to mail it
to you if you can't find it there or elsewhere.


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Re: Setup HotMail by Qmail ?

1999-10-15 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 15 Oct 1999:
 There are some reliability issues with ext2fs under Linux, so maybe
 it's not the best choice at the moment.

If that's about the behaviour of fsync(), did anyone ever write a patch
(for qmail) for fixing that?  With suitable #ifdef __LINUX__ checks.
I remember the long thread that that caused and don't want that to start
up again, but I'm just curious if there was any sort of patch made.
Another question, I wonder if it would be possible to use some other
filesystem than ext2 under Linux for the queue.  Anyone done this?


This is just curiosity on my part, but maybe this information would be
useful to someone.

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Re: control/{locals,rcpthosts,virtualdomains}

1999-10-11 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Franck PORCHER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 11 Oct 1999:
 What would be the best way to configure qmail to have this specific
 address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) remotely delivered to my ISP (say "mail.pf"), so
 any local mail to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] would eventually end-up in his remote mailbox. ?

Well, if there is no local user called "jean", you can create a file
~alias/.qmail-jean and put the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or whatever)
there.  Any email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will get forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I thought of putting
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:alias-myisp
 
 in "control/virtualdomains",

No, you can't put usernames in control/virtualdomains.  You can only use
full domain names.  List the domains which should be handled virtually.
The delivery of those domains is controlled by the specified user (in
your case, ~alias-myisp, the ~alias/.qmail-myisp-* files).


Hope this helps,
Mikko
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Re: qmail startup script

1999-09-23 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 23 Sep 1999:
 init scripts that Slackware uses, but what you need
 to do is to look at the scripts in /etc/rc.d, and figure out which ones get
 executed when the system starts up, and add your custom code there.

The right file is probably /etc/rc.d/rc.local


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Re: qmail startup script

1999-09-23 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Franklin A Hays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 23 Sep 1999:
 i need to also link the qmail script to some of my 'rc' directories.  LWQ
 lists rc0-rc6 while, as you can see from my previous email, i only have
 rc.0,rc.4,and rc.6.

That's only true for SysV-style init.  For the one that comes with
Slackware, you don't need to do any links or any of that SysV stuff.
Ignore what LWQ says about the rc.* files, they are for SysV init
and don't match what you have on your system.

You only really need to figure out a working startup command for qmail,
and include that in the rc.local file, and you're set.

 i tried to use "find RCDIR -name "*sendmail" -print" to no avial, what am
 I doing wrong?  need more info?

I think you're meant to replace RCDIR with /etc/rc.d -- however, again
that works only with SysV init scripts, which would have a file called
somethingsendmail in one of the directories.  It wouldn't exist in
your system.  Instead, the corresponding command to start sendmail is
in the rc.M file (probably that anyway), which you need to comment out.


To reiterate:
1) find the sendmail startup command in one of the files in
/etc/rc.d/rc.*, probably rc.M, and remove or comment that out
2) include the qmail startup command in /etc/rc.d/rc.local (or
rc.M if you prefer that)

And that's all you need to do as regards to starting qmail at system
startup.


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Re: Having trouble with pop

1999-09-20 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Tim Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 20 Sep 1999:
 There was a problem logging onto your mail server. Your Password was 
 rejected. Account: 'grow.sd27.bc.ca', Server: 'grow.sd27.bc.ca', Protocol: 
 POP3, Server Response: '-ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir', Port: 110, 
 Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 0x800CCC90, Error Number: 0x800CCC92

Do I read the Outlook error correctly, "Account: 'grow.sd27.bc.ca'",
is that the same as "user"?  If so, then it's unlikely that the server
grow.sd27.bc.ca has a user called grow.sd27.bc.ca -- change that the
desired username in Outlook settings.


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Re: Mail client and sorting

1999-09-17 Thread Mikko Hänninen

Anand Buddhdev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 17 Sep 1999:
 Elm comes with a filter utility to sort mail into different folders. If
 you want to do filtering with other mail clients, you can use procmail
 or maildrop.

Actually, last I heard was that support for filter was discontinued in
the current elm release version(s).  I'd personally recommend using
procmail or maildrop with elm, even if filter was available.

 Netscape can thread messages, but I also suggest you look at mutt
 (http://www.mutt.org). Although it's not X-based, it is very nice.

Mutt is indeed very nice, especially for people who have been using elm
though by no means limited to them.  And it also supports qmail-style
maildirs (to add some qmail-relevance to the discussion...).


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