Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Alexey Loukianov]

Dave Q.T. Newbiw wrote:
Most specifically, I don't want to add the performance overhead, 
security liability, and maintenance requirements of a typical "default" 
server. (Apache, MySQL, Bind, etc.)


Basically, I want an ultra-basic server that I can set for automatic 
updates and let it continue running "hands-off" until CentOS 4 is no 
longer supported with security patches.


You've been answered to the most of questions you asked while I've been
busy off the list. Now, here are my two cents:
if you want me to, I can supply you with SRPMS I use on my servers. They
are slightly modified QT RPMS, with dropped requirements for
Apache/PHP/MySQL. Vpopmail user database gets stored in cdb file. This
setup is, as I think, 'the best for small installation', when you've got
not so much users and domains (actually, I've been conducting several
perfomance stress-test of vpopmail, and got significant difference
between MySQL and CDB frontend starting at 40 domains with 5000+ users
each). Also, such setup is easy to use in clustered environment, when
your vpopmail storage is located of redundant GFS (NFS, Veritas and so
on) volume. Keep in mind, that this modified QT lacks a lot of features,
like IMAP server, mail web-interface, maildrop filtering and so on.

The RPMS included:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Toaster 1.3.7]# ls -1
clamav-toaster-0.88.5-1.3.5.src.rpm
clamav-toaster-0.88.6-1.3.6.src.rpm
clamav-toaster-0.88.7-1.3.7.src.rpm
daemontools-toaster-0.76-1.3.2.src.rpm
ezmlm-toaster-0.53.324-1.3.2.src.rpm
libdomainkeys-toaster-0.68-1.3.2.src.rpm
qmailmrtg-toaster-4.2-1.3.2.src.rpm
qmail-toaster-1.03-1.3.7.src.rpm
ripmime-toaster-1.4.0.6-1.3.2.src.rpm
simscan-toaster-1.2-1.3.2.src.rpm
spamassassin-toaster-3.1.7-1.3.6.src.orig.rpm
spamassassin-toaster-3.1.7-1.3.6.src.rpm
ucspi-tcp-toaster-0.88-1.3.2.src.rpm
vpopmail-toaster-5.4.13-1.3.3.src.orig.rpm
vpopmail-toaster-5.4.13-1.3.3.src.rpm


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Dave wrote:
> Hi Erik,
> 
>> We're here about the QmailToaster Project. Don't get
>> me wrong, this
>> community always goes above and beyond to help out a
>> straggled user,
>> but come on . . .
>>
>> My apologies if anyone is offended.
>>
> 
> No offense taken   
> 
> The impressive amount of customization and packaging
> effort that has been put into QmailToaster project
> solves some of the biggest problems that a new
> sysadmin would face in setting up an email server.
> 
> As you rightly point out, much of remaining points are
> not at all about qmail. 
> 
> This project almost provides a "turn-key  solution"
> that even the most harried office administrator could
> use to set up a small email server. 
> 
> The suggestions, if implemented, would simply move the
> project further down the "appliance" path. 
> 
> -- David
> 
> 

I agree David (and EE). Ultimately, I'd like to see this project be as easy
to administer as IPCop (for example). We've a long way to go to get to that
point, but not so far as the project's already come (I think, I could be
wrong, again).

Post-installation appears to be a (somewhat glaring) hole in the project's
current state. If you'd like to contribute something to this area, that'd be
great. The wiki is a good starting point. Would you care to take the ball on
this and get something started? I'd be happy to assist. I know that the
Troubleshooting section of the wiki needs some work. Rather than being
reactive with a comprehensive Troubleshooting section, I'd rather see a
comprehensive post-installation section that would eliminate the need for
much troubleshooting.

What say you?

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Erik Espinoza]

For that we have the QmailToaster Virtual Appliance for VMware
Server/Player/Workstation.

:)

Erik

On 1/17/07, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Erik,

>
> We're here about the QmailToaster Project. Don't get
> me wrong, this
> community always goes above and beyond to help out a
> straggled user,
> but come on . . .
>
> My apologies if anyone is offended.
>

No offense taken

The impressive amount of customization and packaging
effort that has been put into QmailToaster project
solves some of the biggest problems that a new
sysadmin would face in setting up an email server.

As you rightly point out, much of remaining points are
not at all about qmail.

This project almost provides a "turn-key  solution"
that even the most harried office administrator could
use to set up a small email server.

The suggestions, if implemented, would simply move the
project further down the "appliance" path.

-- David





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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Dave]

Hi Erik,

> 
> We're here about the QmailToaster Project. Don't get
> me wrong, this
> community always goes above and beyond to help out a
> straggled user,
> but come on . . .
> 
> My apologies if anyone is offended.
> 

No offense taken   

The impressive amount of customization and packaging
effort that has been put into QmailToaster project
solves some of the biggest problems that a new
sysadmin would face in setting up an email server.

As you rightly point out, much of remaining points are
not at all about qmail. 

This project almost provides a "turn-key  solution"
that even the most harried office administrator could
use to set up a small email server. 

The suggestions, if implemented, would simply move the
project further down the "appliance" path. 

-- David



 

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Erik Espinoza]

Hi Dave,

There are projects about Network ACL's (IPTables), System backups
(Amanda), Daemon Lockdowns (Bastille) and so on. In addition there are
plenty of books on the subject matter. That said I mean absolutely no
offense to anyone by this next comment. This community isn't here to
teach you (or anyone) how to be a network and system admin.

We're here about the QmailToaster Project. Don't get me wrong, this
community always goes above and beyond to help out a straggled user,
but come on . . .

My apologies if anyone is offended.

Thanks,
Erik


Here are some things that come to mind, but I am sure
you folks can think of much more:

- Network ACL's
- System backups
- User data and config backups
- Daemon lockdown
- Removal of unneeded services
- Auto-updates of anything possible. (Think
Apache/PHP/SSH/etc... or, even more important,
SquirrelMail.)
- Basic health reporting / stats to someone.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Dave]

  
> > No reason there can't be. I just can't think of
> what to put in it. Do
> > you have any suggestions to help us get started?
> > Thanks.
> 

Hmm

As a new user, I guess even after the install guides,
I would still view the system as a fresh "OS-esque"
install

Given that most users are probably not experienced
Linux admins, the ideal post-install guide would
clearly explain the full range and sequence of tasks
needed to prepare the server for a long term
deployment as an e-mail appliance. (Even addressing
non-qmail specific items.)
 
Here are some things that come to mind, but I am sure
you folks can think of much more:

- Network ACL's
- System backups
- User data and config backups
- Daemon lockdown
- Removal of unneeded services
- Auto-updates of anything possible. (Think
Apache/PHP/SSH/etc... or, even more important,
SquirrelMail.)
- Basic health reporting / stats to someone.

... and so on...  

:)

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Jake Vickers wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>> Thanks for pointers
>>
>> Perhaps there should be a "post install guide" section
>> on the wiki?
>>   
> No reason there can't be. I just can't think of what to put in it. Do
> you have any suggestions to help us get started?
> Thanks.

Aw, cm'on Jake. ;)
I'd start with qmailtoaster-plus ;) (if it wasn't used to do the install in
the first place). Then there's:
.) caching nameserver verification
.) backups (always dreaded, but pretty simple with QTP)
.) rbls (the stock toaster doesn't do much in this arena)
.) spamassassin
  - turn off local rules only
  - turn on SURBLs
  - rules-du-jour (if desired)
  - turn autoexpire off and run from cron
.) SPF, SRS, DK configuration

The list isn't endless, but that's a start.
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[Eric \"Shubes\"]

That would be great! Care to write one?

Dave wrote:
> Thanks for pointers
> 
> Perhaps there should be a "post install guide" section
> on the wiki?
> 
> -- David
> 
> 
> --- Jake Vickers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Dave wrote:
>>> Thank you for the explanation... :)
>>>
>>> I do have some specific config questions, but I'll
>>> read through the wiki first.
>>>
>>> Also, is there a basic post-install walk through
>> that
>>> shows how to configure things like log rotation,
>>> mailbox quotas,  auto-updates of signatures,
>> etc...
>>> plus what ever else is needed to set up the server
>> for
>>>  "hands free" use. 
>>>
>>>   
>> Everyone is trying to add these things as we think
>> of them. Some is 
>> usually just answered on the list.
>> Log rotation is done automatically, and the size of
>> the log files before 
>> rotation is defined in /var/qmail/control/logcount
>> and logsize (the wiki 
>> will explain some more).
>> Not really much to do post-install besides add
>> domains and users. There 
>> are some spam things you can add in if your needs
>> require them, and some 
>> other customizations (such as smtproutes) but it's
>> only if you need them.
>> Updates of signatures is done automatically (cron
>> job), so just about 
>> everything should be "hands-free" unless you need to
>> change something to 
>> fit your environment.
>>


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Jake Vickers]

Dave wrote:

Thanks for pointers

Perhaps there should be a "post install guide" section
on the wiki?
  
No reason there can't be. I just can't think of what to put in it. Do 
you have any suggestions to help us get started?

Thanks.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Dave]

Thanks for pointers

Perhaps there should be a "post install guide" section
on the wiki?

-- David


--- Jake Vickers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dave wrote:
> > Thank you for the explanation... :)
> >
> > I do have some specific config questions, but I'll
> > read through the wiki first.
> >
> > Also, is there a basic post-install walk through
> that
> > shows how to configure things like log rotation,
> > mailbox quotas,  auto-updates of signatures,
> etc...
> > plus what ever else is needed to set up the server
> for
> >  "hands free" use. 
> >
> >   
> Everyone is trying to add these things as we think
> of them. Some is 
> usually just answered on the list.
> Log rotation is done automatically, and the size of
> the log files before 
> rotation is defined in /var/qmail/control/logcount
> and logsize (the wiki 
> will explain some more).
> Not really much to do post-install besides add
> domains and users. There 
> are some spam things you can add in if your needs
> require them, and some 
> other customizations (such as smtproutes) but it's
> only if you need them.
> Updates of signatures is done automatically (cron
> job), so just about 
> everything should be "hands-free" unless you need to
> change something to 
> fit your environment.
> 



 

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Jake Vickers]

Dave wrote:

Thank you for the explanation... :)

I do have some specific config questions, but I'll
read through the wiki first.

Also, is there a basic post-install walk through that
shows how to configure things like log rotation,
mailbox quotas,  auto-updates of signatures, etc...
plus what ever else is needed to set up the server for
 "hands free" use. 

  
Everyone is trying to add these things as we think of them. Some is 
usually just answered on the list.
Log rotation is done automatically, and the size of the log files before 
rotation is defined in /var/qmail/control/logcount and logsize (the wiki 
will explain some more).
Not really much to do post-install besides add domains and users. There 
are some spam things you can add in if your needs require them, and some 
other customizations (such as smtproutes) but it's only if you need them.
Updates of signatures is done automatically (cron job), so just about 
everything should be "hands-free" unless you need to change something to 
fit your environment.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Dave]

Thank you for the explanation... :)

I do have some specific config questions, but I'll
read through the wiki first.

Also, is there a basic post-install walk through that
shows how to configure things like log rotation,
mailbox quotas,  auto-updates of signatures, etc...
plus what ever else is needed to set up the server for
 "hands free" use. 


Thanks again,
David

--- Jake Vickers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dave wrote:
> > What exactly are the "licensing issues" that
> prevent
> > qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or
> > Ubuntu disrabutions?
> >
> > I'm a little uneasy running a sevrer that requires
> a
> > kludge to keep automatically up to date.
> >
> > Also, the QM Toaster kit seems to force the use of
> PHP
> > and MySQL.  (... Both items that are hard to
> secure
> > and I would rather keep off this low-volume
> server.)
> >   
> The writer of the software (Bernstein) requires that
> it be distributed 
> as source code so that you know you're getting
> EXACTLY what he wrote, 
> which is secure. If you read on his site, he's had a
> running reward for 
> anyone who could find a security hole in his
> software. It's never been 
> claimed as far as I know. I am not aware of any
> security patches 
> released for QMail itself since the early 90's,
> which means that no one 
> has found any.
> You *COULD* give out RPMs if Bernstein gives you
> permission, but I know 
> several people that have asked (repeatedly in some
> cases) but he does 
> not answer any of those emails. As such, we use
> patches to add 
> functionality to the whole affair, much as everyone
> else does. Yahoo! 
> runs a patched version of QMail for their whole
> email system, if that 
> gives you any reassurance to it's stability and
> security.
> The PHP and MySQL portions are pretty secure, and I
> have not heard of 
> too many security problems with either. If you're
> really worried, I'd 
> suggest bocking incoming connections on port 3306,
> which will stop 
> outside people from accessing MySQL, and then
> shutting down Apache 
> (httpd). It's not needed for anything if you're not
> using webmail as all 
> of the commands can be run from the command line.
> Then there's no real 
> need to update anything besides spamassassin or
> clamav if you even 
> decide to use those, and then it's usually only for
> updates for rules 
> and virus signatures. If you don't use those there's
> no need to update 
> Toaster anymore (in theory) since the code itself
> hasn't changed (even 
> the patches) in a long time for security reasons -
> only for features.
> If it's still that much of a concern you may look at
> having someone else 
> run your email, and allow them to deal with updates
> and security issues. 
> I (as well as several other people on this list,
> like Erik) run servers 
> like this as part of our businesses so we try and
> stay on top of all the 
> latest/greatest updates and patches.
> Hope that helps some.
> 



 

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Jake Vickers]

Dave wrote:

What exactly are the "licensing issues" that prevent
qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or
Ubuntu disrabutions?

I'm a little uneasy running a sevrer that requires a
kludge to keep automatically up to date.

Also, the QM Toaster kit seems to force the use of PHP
and MySQL.  (... Both items that are hard to secure
and I would rather keep off this low-volume server.)
  
The writer of the software (Bernstein) requires that it be distributed 
as source code so that you know you're getting EXACTLY what he wrote, 
which is secure. If you read on his site, he's had a running reward for 
anyone who could find a security hole in his software. It's never been 
claimed as far as I know. I am not aware of any security patches 
released for QMail itself since the early 90's, which means that no one 
has found any.
You *COULD* give out RPMs if Bernstein gives you permission, but I know 
several people that have asked (repeatedly in some cases) but he does 
not answer any of those emails. As such, we use patches to add 
functionality to the whole affair, much as everyone else does. Yahoo! 
runs a patched version of QMail for their whole email system, if that 
gives you any reassurance to it's stability and security.
The PHP and MySQL portions are pretty secure, and I have not heard of 
too many security problems with either. If you're really worried, I'd 
suggest bocking incoming connections on port 3306, which will stop 
outside people from accessing MySQL, and then shutting down Apache 
(httpd). It's not needed for anything if you're not using webmail as all 
of the commands can be run from the command line. Then there's no real 
need to update anything besides spamassassin or clamav if you even 
decide to use those, and then it's usually only for updates for rules 
and virus signatures. If you don't use those there's no need to update 
Toaster anymore (in theory) since the code itself hasn't changed (even 
the patches) in a long time for security reasons - only for features.
If it's still that much of a concern you may look at having someone else 
run your email, and allow them to deal with updates and security issues. 
I (as well as several other people on this list, like Erik) run servers 
like this as part of our businesses so we try and stay on top of all the 
latest/greatest updates and patches.

Hope that helps some.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Dave wrote:
> What exactly are the "licensing issues" that prevent
> qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or
> Ubuntu disrabutions?

Steve has this right in his reply, TTBOMK.

> I'm a little uneasy running a sevrer that requires a
> kludge to keep automatically up to date.

I'm the same way, Dave. I tend to be more comfortable running binary rpms
myself. However that is simply not an option with any derivative of qmail,
including the toaster.

The scripts provided with the toaster (and qmailtoaster-plus) packages
(which *are* rpms), do an adequate job of overcoming this difficulty. The
advantages of using rpms are not lost with the toaster. All packages are
installed using rpm binaries, it's just that they're built on your specific
machine.

If you really wanted to use yum to do the upgrades, you could (but there's
really no point in doing so). Simply build your own yum repository
containing the toaster binary rpms that are produced by the scripts (or
built yourself manually), and you're good to go. You just can't *distribute*
your binary rpms to anyone else.

> Also, the QM Toaster kit seems to force the use of PHP
> and MySQL.  (... Both items that are hard to secure
> and I would rather keep off this low-volume server.)

I cannot speak authoritatively on this.

> Thanks,
> David  
> 
> 
> --- Erik Espinoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Might want to check out the wiki. There are a ton of
>> scripts that you
>> can use to keep the QT up to date.
>>
>> ES and JV have done some great work on keeping the
>> QmailToaster up to
>> date. Due to licensing restrictions, we aren't
>> allowed to give out
>> binary updates, so no yum.
>>
>> The wiki has an faq entry on this.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Erik
> 


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[Steve Huff]

On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Dave wrote:


http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html


Yeah... I saw that, but I am not sure what the
implications of that are

Seemingly you could distribute a binary image...
right?


no; you may not distribute "a" binary image, you must distribute  
exactly "the" binary image provided by DJB (which is a tarball of / 
var/qmail, whereas QmailToaster uses RPMs).  the version of qmail in  
QmailToaster includes a number of patches that differentiate it from  
stock qmail.  same with ezmlm, daemontools, etc.


do i have this right, folks?

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[Dave]

> > What exactly are the "licensing issues" that
> prevent
> > qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or
> > Ubuntu disrabutions?
> 
> http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html
> 


Yeah... I saw that, but I am not sure what the
implications of that are 

Seemingly you could distribute a binary image...
right?

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Steve Huff]

On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Dave wrote:


What exactly are the "licensing issues" that prevent
qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or
Ubuntu disrabutions?


http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html

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[Dave]

What exactly are the "licensing issues" that prevent
qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or
Ubuntu disrabutions?

I'm a little uneasy running a sevrer that requires a
kludge to keep automatically up to date.

Also, the QM Toaster kit seems to force the use of PHP
and MySQL.  (... Both items that are hard to secure
and I would rather keep off this low-volume server.)


Thanks,
David  


--- Erik Espinoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Might want to check out the wiki. There are a ton of
> scripts that you
> can use to keep the QT up to date.
> 
> ES and JV have done some great work on keeping the
> QmailToaster up to
> date. Due to licensing restrictions, we aren't
> allowed to give out
> binary updates, so no yum.
> 
> The wiki has an faq entry on this.
> 
> Thanks,
> Erik


 

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[Erik Espinoza]

Might want to check out the wiki. There are a ton of scripts that you
can use to keep the QT up to date.

ES and JV have done some great work on keeping the QmailToaster up to
date. Due to licensing restrictions, we aren't allowed to give out
binary updates, so no yum.

The wiki has an faq entry on this.

Thanks,
Erik

On 1/16/07, Dave Q.T. Newbiw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Erik,

Thanks for the reply...   What size VM, memory-wise, does QM Toaster need?
Is 96MB enough?

In anticipation of the fact the that over the next few years _some_
bug/security issues will be found, how exactly does the auto update process
work? Is everything updated, or just the base CentOS files?

Thank you,
David



Erik Espinoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Hello Dave

> Can QM Toaster be used to turn a default CentOS install into a very basic
> POP3/IMAP/SMTP email server?

It's a lot more than basic, as it comes with antivirus, antispam,
domainkeys, spf and srs. I'd call it thorough rather than basic.

> Our current ISP where we host ~15 domains and ~25+ email accounts has a
> mandatory incoming "auto-discard" spam filter that is far too strict to
> continue using.

That sucks.

> Unfortunately, switching ISPs is not an option right now.

Good luck!

> I am looking at signing up for a basic low-memory CentOS "Virtual
Dedicated
> Server" to handle our own incoming (& outgoing) mail.

I wouldn't go too low on the memory unless you don't want antivirus
and antispam.

> There will not be a full-time IT person to maintain the server, so
> simplicity is a must.

The QmailToaster is very simple. This is a no brainer.

> I am perfectly fine with leaving out server-side spam filtering, though I
> suspect that some basic blacklist usage would be a good idea.

I'd recommend against leaving out the spam filtering, as blacklists
are usually too encompassing.

> Most specifically, I don't want to add the performance overhead, security
> liability, and maintenance requirements of a typical "default" server.
> (Apache, MySQL, Bind, etc.)

In reality, the only thing that requires maintenance is the antispam,
antivirus and webmail.The project keeps those all up to date. The rest
is, for the most part, already a couple of years old and battle tested
on the internet. Known to be secure.

> Basically, I want an ultra-basic server that I can set for automatic
updates
> and let it continue running "hands-off" until CentOS 4 is no longer
> supported with security patches.

Sounds like the plan. It's how I run mine.

> Will Qmail Toaster do what I need?

Yes. It's not basic, but it is simple. And there is plenty of support
here, on the wiki and on the main site.

Thanks,
Erik

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Mine's a dual PII 233 box with 128 meg of ram and a couple of 250Gb IDE
drives.  CentOS minimum install (using the super easy install script).
I've got 12 users in our small office.  I also use the box to host our
intranet (with quite a few MySQL databases).  As you can see, the box is
just coasting along:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# uptime
 16:01:21 up 103 days,  2:10,  1 user,  load average: 0.14, 0.06, 0.02

I'm scanning all incoming mail with clam/spam and I haven't had a bit of
problems with this setup since the day it was installed.  The only
outage came when one of our neighbors got in too big of a hurry to leave
and wrapped his truck around the power pole outside of our building.

Prior to the toaster, I ran a UW-IMAP server with Sendmail on the same
hardware.  It was easy enough to maintain, but the mbox format was so
very slow, especially for my roaming users with less than ideal bandwidth.

Al

Eric "Shubes" wrote:
> Dave Q.T. Newbiw wrote:
>> Hi Erik,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply...   What size VM, memory-wise, does QM Toaster
>> need? Is 96MB enough?
> 
> That should probably be enough if you're not scanning (clamav,
> spamassassin). I'm running a full blown toaster for a small office on an old
> PII/266 w/154M ram, and it practically idles (load avgs <0.1).
> 
>> In anticipation of the fact the that over the next few years _some_
>> bug/security issues will be found, how exactly does the auto update
>> process work? Is everything updated, or just the base CentOS files?
> 
> The only thing that's automatically updated in the stock toaster is clamav.
> You'll need to set up cron jobs to run yum to update the OS. qtp-newmodel
> script(s) (part of qmailtoaster-plus) can be set up to run by cron too, but
> I wouldn't recommend that. Once your toaster is stable, it really shouldn't
> need any/many updates.
> 
>> Thank you,
>> David
>>
>>
>> */Erik Espinoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>>
>> Hello Dave
>>
>> > Can QM Toaster be used to turn a default CentOS install into a
>> very basic
>> > POP3/IMAP/SMTP email server?
>>
>> It's a lot more than basic, as it comes with antivirus, antispam,
>> domainkeys, spf and srs. I'd call it thorough rather than basic.
>>
>> > Our current ISP where we host ~15 domains and ~25+ email accounts
>> has a
>> > mandatory incoming "auto-discard" spam filter that is far too
>> strict to
>> > continue using.
>>
>> That sucks.
>>
>> > Unfortunately, switching ISPs is not an option right now.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> > I am looking at signing up for a basic low-memory CentOS "Virtual
>> Dedicated
>> > Server" to handle our own incoming (& outgoing) mail.
>>
>> I wouldn't go too low on the memory unless you don't want antivirus
>> and antispam.
>>
>> > There will not be a full-time IT person to maintain the server, so
>> > simplicity is a must.
>>
>> The QmailToaster is very simple. This is a no brainer.
>>
>> > I am perfectly fine with leaving out server-side spam filtering,
>> though I
>> > suspect that some basic blacklist usage would be a good idea.
>>
>> I'd recommend against leaving out the spam filtering, as blacklists
>> are usually too encompassing.
>>
>> > Most specifically, I don't want to add the performance overhead,
>> security
>> > liability, and maintenance requirements of a typical "default" server.
>> > (Apache, MySQL, Bind, etc.)
>>
>> In reality, the only thing that requires maintenance is the antispam,
>> antivirus and webmail.The project keeps those all up to date. The rest
>> is, for the most part, already a couple of years old and battle tested
>> on the internet. Known to be secure.
>>
>> > Basically, I want an ultra-basic server that I can set for
>> automatic updates
>> > and let it continue running "hands-off" until CentOS 4 is no longer
>> > supported with security patches.
>>
>> Sounds like the plan. It's how I run mine.
>>
>> > Will Qmail Toaster do what I need?
>>
>> Yes. It's not basic, but it is simple. And there is plenty of support
>> here, on the wiki and on the main site.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Erik
>>
> 
> 

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[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Dave Q.T. Newbiw wrote:
> Hi Erik,
> 
> Thanks for the reply...   What size VM, memory-wise, does QM Toaster
> need? Is 96MB enough?

That should probably be enough if you're not scanning (clamav,
spamassassin). I'm running a full blown toaster for a small office on an old
PII/266 w/154M ram, and it practically idles (load avgs <0.1).

> In anticipation of the fact the that over the next few years _some_
> bug/security issues will be found, how exactly does the auto update
> process work? Is everything updated, or just the base CentOS files?

The only thing that's automatically updated in the stock toaster is clamav.
You'll need to set up cron jobs to run yum to update the OS. qtp-newmodel
script(s) (part of qmailtoaster-plus) can be set up to run by cron too, but
I wouldn't recommend that. Once your toaster is stable, it really shouldn't
need any/many updates.

> Thank you,
> David
> 
> 
> */Erik Espinoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> 
> Hello Dave
> 
> > Can QM Toaster be used to turn a default CentOS install into a
> very basic
> > POP3/IMAP/SMTP email server?
> 
> It's a lot more than basic, as it comes with antivirus, antispam,
> domainkeys, spf and srs. I'd call it thorough rather than basic.
> 
> > Our current ISP where we host ~15 domains and ~25+ email accounts
> has a
> > mandatory incoming "auto-discard" spam filter that is far too
> strict to
> > continue using.
> 
> That sucks.
> 
> > Unfortunately, switching ISPs is not an option right now.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> > I am looking at signing up for a basic low-memory CentOS "Virtual
> Dedicated
> > Server" to handle our own incoming (& outgoing) mail.
> 
> I wouldn't go too low on the memory unless you don't want antivirus
> and antispam.
> 
> > There will not be a full-time IT person to maintain the server, so
> > simplicity is a must.
> 
> The QmailToaster is very simple. This is a no brainer.
> 
> > I am perfectly fine with leaving out server-side spam filtering,
> though I
> > suspect that some basic blacklist usage would be a good idea.
> 
> I'd recommend against leaving out the spam filtering, as blacklists
> are usually too encompassing.
> 
> > Most specifically, I don't want to add the performance overhead,
> security
> > liability, and maintenance requirements of a typical "default" server.
> > (Apache, MySQL, Bind, etc.)
> 
> In reality, the only thing that requires maintenance is the antispam,
> antivirus and webmail.The project keeps those all up to date. The rest
> is, for the most part, already a couple of years old and battle tested
> on the internet. Known to be secure.
> 
> > Basically, I want an ultra-basic server that I can set for
> automatic updates
> > and let it continue running "hands-off" until CentOS 4 is no longer
> > supported with security patches.
> 
> Sounds like the plan. It's how I run mine.
> 
> > Will Qmail Toaster do what I need?
> 
> Yes. It's not basic, but it is simple. And there is plenty of support
> here, on the wiki and on the main site.
> 
> Thanks,
> Erik
> 


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Dave Q.T. Newbiw]

Hi Erik,

Thanks for the reply...   What size VM, memory-wise, does QM Toaster need? Is 
96MB enough?

In anticipation of the fact the that over the next few years _some_ 
bug/security issues will be found, how exactly does the auto update process 
work? Is everything updated, or just the base CentOS files? 

Thank you,
David


Erik Espinoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Dave

> Can QM Toaster be used to turn a default CentOS install into a very basic
> POP3/IMAP/SMTP email server?

It's a lot more than basic, as it comes with antivirus, antispam,
domainkeys, spf and srs. I'd call it thorough rather than basic.

> Our current ISP where we host ~15 domains and ~25+ email accounts has a
> mandatory incoming "auto-discard" spam filter that is far too strict to
> continue using.

That sucks.

> Unfortunately, switching ISPs is not an option right now.

Good luck!

> I am looking at signing up for a basic low-memory CentOS "Virtual Dedicated
> Server" to  handle our own incoming (& outgoing) mail.

I wouldn't go too low on the memory unless you don't want antivirus
and antispam.

> There will not be a full-time IT person to maintain the server, so
> simplicity is a must.

The QmailToaster is very simple. This is a no brainer.

> I am perfectly fine with leaving out server-side spam filtering, though I
> suspect that some basic blacklist usage would be a good idea.

I'd recommend against leaving out the spam filtering, as blacklists
are usually too encompassing.

> Most specifically, I don't want to add the performance overhead, security
> liability, and maintenance requirements of a typical "default" server.
> (Apache, MySQL, Bind, etc.)

In reality, the only thing that requires maintenance is the antispam,
antivirus and webmail.The project keeps those all up to date. The rest
is, for the most part, already a couple of years old and battle tested
on the internet. Known to be secure.

> Basically, I want an ultra-basic server that I can set for automatic updates
> and let it continue running "hands-off" until CentOS 4 is no longer
> supported with security patches.

Sounds like the plan. It's how I run mine.

> Will Qmail Toaster do what I need?

Yes. It's not basic, but it is simple. And there is plenty of support
here, on the wiki and on the main site.

Thanks,
Erik

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Erik Espinoza]

Hello Dave


Can QM Toaster be used to turn a default CentOS install into a very basic
POP3/IMAP/SMTP email server?


It's a lot more than basic, as it comes with antivirus, antispam,
domainkeys, spf and srs. I'd call it thorough rather than basic.


Our current ISP where we host ~15 domains and ~25+ email accounts has a
mandatory incoming "auto-discard" spam filter that is far too strict to
continue using.


That sucks.


Unfortunately, switching ISPs is not an option right now.


Good luck!


I am looking at signing up for a basic low-memory CentOS "Virtual Dedicated
Server" to  handle our own incoming (& outgoing) mail.


I wouldn't go too low on the memory unless you don't want antivirus
and antispam.


There will not be a full-time IT person to maintain the server, so
simplicity is a must.


The QmailToaster is very simple. This is a no brainer.


I am perfectly fine with leaving out server-side spam filtering, though I
suspect that some basic blacklist usage would be a good idea.


I'd recommend against leaving out the spam filtering, as blacklists
are usually too encompassing.


Most specifically, I don't want to add the performance overhead, security
liability, and maintenance requirements of a typical "default" server.
(Apache, MySQL, Bind, etc.)


In reality, the only thing that requires maintenance is the antispam,
antivirus and webmail.The project keeps those all up to date. The rest
is, for the most part, already a couple of years old and battle tested
on the internet. Known to be secure.


Basically, I want an ultra-basic server that I can set for automatic updates
and let it continue running "hands-off" until CentOS 4 is no longer
supported with security patches.


Sounds like the plan. It's how I run mine.


Will Qmail Toaster do what I need?


Yes. It's not basic, but it is simple. And there is plenty of support
here, on the wiki and on the main site.

Thanks,
Erik

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[qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

[Dave Q.T. Newbiw]

Hello,

I am hoping you folks on the list could advise me on this...

Can QM Toaster be used to turn a default CentOS install into a very basic 
POP3/IMAP/SMTP email server?

Our current ISP where we host ~15 domains and ~25+ email accounts has a 
mandatory incoming "auto-discard" spam filter that is far too strict to 
continue using. 

Unfortunately, switching ISPs is not an option right now.

I am looking at signing up for a basic low-memory CentOS "Virtual Dedicated 
Server" to  handle our own incoming (& outgoing) mail.

There will not be a full-time IT person to maintain the server, so simplicity 
is a must.

I am perfectly fine with leaving out server-side spam filtering, though I 
suspect that some basic blacklist usage would be a good idea.   

Most specifically, I don't want to add the performance overhead, security 
liability, and maintenance requirements of a typical "default" server. (Apache, 
MySQL, Bind, etc.) 

Basically, I want an ultra-basic server that I can set for automatic updates 
and let it continue running "hands-off" until CentOS 4 is no longer supported 
with security patches.

Will Qmail Toaster do what I need?

Thank you for reading,
David


 
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