Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
I really like this thread, so here's my 2 cents: I use the CLI almost exclusively. Which works for me, the mail administrator for our domains. But I want to train a monkey (office) manager, secretary, etc. to do the simply stuff our customers call in for, look up passwords, add an account. And like all of you probably know a cli might as well be in russian, as it makes no sense to the rest of humanity. I really like qcontrol, we purchased it and use it. but I have to tell the monkeys, never click in there, you can mess it all up for the tcp.smtp, and spam settings. what would be nice if there was a Qcontrol-lite. or user manager, or some way to simply present the stuff I trust people to do with a GUI, and let them have at. Qcontrol is far superior to the other tools mentioned, and I'd personally like to see it as a replacement for the other broken tools. some Featueres that would rock: click a user name and search the logs for that account. so if a user calls in I can click his name the server will show me all the logs with his/her user name it. ability to tail a log /var/log/qmail/smtp/current, or other. Thanks for all the hard work Dan vqadmin could just be a qtp option qtp-install-vqadmin would make everyone happy? On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 14:54 -0700, Eric Shubert wrote: I (shamefully, on occasion) use /home/vpopmail/bin/vuserinfo for password lookups. FWIW, looking up passwords (storing passwords in clear text, to be precise) is considered to be a bad practice from a security standpoint. A more secure way is to have the admin reset the password when forgotten. I'm not sure why QMT is configured to store PWs in clear text. Might want to consider changing that in a future release. Helmut Fritz wrote: I think you are correct in the issue to decide Jake. I think it can safely be removed if everything it does is available elsewhere. Password lookup? I know domains can be done with webmin as well as CLI. And I do not think vqadmin should be used for user creation/management. Qmailadmin is plenty good there. So multiple tools need to be used. What would someone expect if it is free? -Original Message- From: Jake Vickers [mailto:j...@qmailtoaster.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:05 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin Jean-Paul van de Plasse wrote: Hey Jake, I do not think anyone on this list or using qmt does not apriciate the work you did and are doing.. For me it really is not about the 30$, just never needed an interface, guess I should check qcontrol maybe it will help me alot :) Anyways, as said in an other mail I am just trying to help some who are using vqadmin.. Have been active in the past with patches and helping arround on this list, been busy otherwise but figured I can still contribute some time to qmt. I do think (as u suggest) a good mailserver needs a basic tool to manage the users, so it would be good to fix vqadmin. Or to write a replacement, with some basic features. Guess I should crawl back under the stone I was the past year.. seems this all stirs up things .. Sorry for that. I think the topic actually generated some good ideas and traffic. I'm trying to get the project back into giving the community what they ask for - I can't do this if you don't tell me what you want! I know lots of people appreciate the work that I and others do. That's not the issue I was ranting on. It costs actual money to run a project like this, and most people do not understand that. I'm not even counting time spent, just actual server costs. I'd started 2 or 3 projects in the past to write a replacement for Vqadmin with other people, but they always died on the vine. I found it frustrating. After a specific user went on a long-winded thread on how open source would never work because we wouldn't write a GUI that worked I decided to sit down and learn the skills I lacked to write the thing by myself. I honestly don't even use my own software to administer my system(s). I run servers for other companies around the world and I always found it easier to use the CLI myself. Mainly out of habit. The only feature that I can think of that Vqadmin provides that is not covered under Qmailadmin is the ability to create domains. I'll be starting a video magazine for QMT in the very near future with how-to videos, and one of the topics I'll eventually cover is how to add domains using the command line and why to not use Vqadmin. So I think the major topic we need to hash out is whether to remove the Vqadmin package from the auto-installers or not - correct me if I am wrong. -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
I sent Jake a few of my wishlist items for QControl a little while back. I'm sure in his copious spare time he'll get to them... Right after he's done wiping our noses.. ;) One of the items I mentioned was the ability to give domain control to customers without giving them the whole farm. I have customers with several domains and it would be good to be able to give them one place to manage their email but only THEIR email. It sounds like Dan's suggestion is pretty close to the same. I think Jake mentioned he has some plans to mature QC into a one stop control panel. It can only happen if we give him $ome incentive$ to continue it. I really like this thread, so here's my 2 cents: I use the CLI almost exclusively. Which works for me, the mail administrator for our domains. But I want to train a monkey (office) manager, secretary, etc. to do the simply stuff our customers call in for, look up passwords, add an account. And like all of you probably know a cli might as well be in russian, as it makes no sense to the rest of humanity. I really like qcontrol, we purchased it and use it. but I have to tell the monkeys, never click in there, you can mess it all up for the tcp.smtp, and spam settings. what would be nice if there was a Qcontrol-lite. or user manager, or some way to simply present the stuff I trust people to do with a GUI, and let them have at. Qcontrol is far superior to the other tools mentioned, and I'd personally like to see it as a replacement for the other broken tools. some Featueres that would rock: click a user name and search the logs for that account. so if a user calls in I can click his name the server will show me all the logs with his/her user name it. ability to tail a log /var/log/qmail/smtp/current, or other. Thanks for all the hard work Dan vqadmin could just be a qtp option qtp-install-vqadmin would make everyone happy? On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 14:54 -0700, Eric Shubert wrote: I (shamefully, on occasion) use /home/vpopmail/bin/vuserinfo for password lookups. FWIW, looking up passwords (storing passwords in clear text, to be precise) is considered to be a bad practice from a security standpoint. A more secure way is to have the admin reset the password when forgotten. I'm not sure why QMT is configured to store PWs in clear text. Might want to consider changing that in a future release. Helmut Fritz wrote: I think you are correct in the issue to decide Jake. I think it can safely be removed if everything it does is available elsewhere. Password lookup? I know domains can be done with webmin as well as CLI. And I do not think vqadmin should be used for user creation/management. Qmailadmin is plenty good there. So multiple tools need to be used. What would someone expect if it is free? -Original Message- From: Jake Vickers [mailto:j...@qmailtoaster.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:05 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin Jean-Paul van de Plasse wrote: Hey Jake, I do not think anyone on this list or using qmt does not apriciate the work you did and are doing.. For me it really is not about the 30$, just never needed an interface, guess I should check qcontrol maybe it will help me alot :) Anyways, as said in an other mail I am just trying to help some who are using vqadmin.. Have been active in the past with patches and helping arround on this list, been busy otherwise but figured I can still contribute some time to qmt. I do think (as u suggest) a good mailserver needs a basic tool to manage the users, so it would be good to fix vqadmin. Or to write a replacement, with some basic features. Guess I should crawl back under the stone I was the past year.. seems this all stirs up things .. Sorry for that. I think the topic actually generated some good ideas and traffic. I'm trying to get the project back into giving the community what they ask for - I can't do this if you don't tell me what you want! I know lots of people appreciate the work that I and others do. That's not the issue I was ranting on. It costs actual money to run a project like this, and most people do not understand that. I'm not even counting time spent, just actual server costs. I'd started 2 or 3 projects in the past to write a replacement for Vqadmin with other people, but they always died on the vine. I found it frustrating. After a specific user went on a long-winded thread on how open source would never work because we wouldn't write a GUI that worked I decided to sit down and learn the skills I lacked to write the thing by myself. I honestly don't even use my own software to administer my system(s). I run servers for other companies around the world and I always found it easier to use the CLI myself. Mainly out of habit
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Dan Page wrote: I really like this thread, so here's my 2 cents: I use the CLI almost exclusively. Which works for me, the mail administrator for our domains. But I want to train a monkey (office) manager, secretary, etc. to do the simply stuff our customers call in for, look up passwords, add an account. And like all of you probably know a cli might as well be in russian, as it makes no sense to the rest of humanity. I really like qcontrol, we purchased it and use it. but I have to tell the monkeys, never click in there, you can mess it all up for the tcp.smtp, and spam settings. what would be nice if there was a Qcontrol-lite. or user manager, or some way to simply present the stuff I trust people to do with a GUI, and let them have at. Qcontrol is far superior to the other tools mentioned, and I'd personally like to see it as a replacement for the other broken tools. some Featueres that would rock: click a user name and search the logs for that account. so if a user calls in I can click his name the server will show me all the logs with his/her user name it. ability to tail a log /var/log/qmail/smtp/current, or other. Thanks for all the hard work Thanks for the suggestions for QControl. User suggestions are how I make new features. I'll jot these down and see if I can't get them into the next release. As far as your lite version, you can modify it yourself if you want. The web portion is all written in PHP/HTML and not encoded, so you can modify it all you want. You, for your situation, would edit the /usr/share/toaster/qcontrol/menu.html file and remove the entries for the items you don't want everyone else to see. You may also be running an older version of QControl if you're asking about 'tail'ing a log file. The current version allows you to view the log files, and shows the last 50 lines by default. You can change that and view the last 10 lines if you want as well. You can even make 10 the default when you open it by editing the /usr/share/toaster/qcontrol/includes.inc file and changing the value from 50 to 10. Enjoy! - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Phil Leinhauser wrote: I sent Jake a few of my wishlist items for QControl a little while back. I'm sure in his copious spare time he'll get to them... Right after he's done wiping our noses.. ;) One of the items I mentioned was the ability to give domain control to customers without giving them the whole farm. I have customers with several domains and it would be good to be able to give them one place to manage their email but only THEIR email. It sounds like Dan's suggestion is pretty close to the same. I think Jake mentioned he has some plans to mature QC into a one stop control panel. It can only happen if we give him $ome incentive$ to continue it. I've got those on my list as well, Phil. The delegation ability is a difficult one, since I would need to create a mysql DB to hold what users can control what and what level of security they can see. And that just scratches the surface. It's a major undertaking. I'm not opposed to it, but it will take a while and probably become a separate package/project. I think what Dan was looking for was the ability to give the office staff the ability to change/retrieve passwords, create addresses, etc., but keep them out of the system's workings (ie: can't edit the tcp.smtp file, can't edit the simcontrol file, etc.) Thanks for the support! - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
RE: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
-Original Message- From: news [mailto:n...@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Eric Shubert Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:13 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin Glen Vickers wrote: -Original Message- From: news [mailto:n...@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Eric Shubert Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:47 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin Glen Vickers wrote: However, if I create them using the command line interface and watch for the little tweaky stuff (EG. I now have to reboot once a week to prevent spamdyke going into a greylist deny loop) it works fine. I'm curious to know more about this problem, Glen. Spamdyke has worked flawlessly for me. Would you care to provide more information about your problem so we might find a cure? Please start a new thread if you do. -- The solution to my issue was to restart services for qmail. I really don't know why it started perma greylisting everything. It really didn't bounce things either, it went to queue and circled around till I restarted. It was odd when it happened. It was working fine then freaked. But a restart of services fixed it. I had posted a thread on it early and what I did to repair the weirdness. Glen So you reboot weekly as a preventative measure? You really shouldn't need to do that. -- -Eric 'shubes' Yeah I know. Expecially with an AIX system. I can see a Windows server needing that but AIX? I've made a cron job to run for a couple weeks to see how things perform. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Hi again, Some of the vqadmin issues mentioned here are making me a little nervous. If you don't mind, I'd like to review my setup so far and ask if there is anything to worry about. The plan is to handle e-mail for three domains on the server, accessing via IMAP and sometimes Squirrelmail. Two of those domains are live on a server elsewhere now. I created all three virtual domains using vqadmin, and also created e-mail users for each with vqadmin. Then I went into qmail-admin to designate one address from each domain to be the catchall. Next I configured BIND for the domain that is not already live, then pointed the upstream DNS there to make it live. E-mail seems to work fine, sending and receiving. My next step will be to move one of the two live domains over. This is e-mail from a functioning business that cannot be messed up. Now, it sounds like the problems people have experienced with vqadmin happen when they change or remove virtual domains. If that's true, perhaps I am okay. Or should I remove all of the virtual domains, all of the users, and start from scratch with the CLI or QControl? I don't see any documentation on how to remove users or virtual domains via CLI. Can anyone point me to it? If I purchase QControl, will it be able to remove the users and virtual domains created by vqadmin, or might things get worse instead? Thanks! --Adam On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Glen Vickers ldwra...@xmission.comwrote: -Original Message- From: news [mailto:n...@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Eric Shubert Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:13 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin Glen Vickers wrote: -Original Message- From: news [mailto:n...@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Eric Shubert Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:47 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin Glen Vickers wrote: However, if I create them using the command line interface and watch for the little tweaky stuff (EG. I now have to reboot once a week to prevent spamdyke going into a greylist deny loop) it works fine. I'm curious to know more about this problem, Glen. Spamdyke has worked flawlessly for me. Would you care to provide more information about your problem so we might find a cure? Please start a new thread if you do. -- The solution to my issue was to restart services for qmail. I really don't know why it started perma greylisting everything. It really didn't bounce things either, it went to queue and circled around till I restarted. It was odd when it happened. It was working fine then freaked. But a restart of services fixed it. I had posted a thread on it early and what I did to repair the weirdness. Glen So you reboot weekly as a preventative measure? You really shouldn't need to do that. -- -Eric 'shubes' Yeah I know. Expecially with an AIX system. I can see a Windows server needing that but AIX? I've made a cron job to run for a couple weeks to see how things perform. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group ( www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Adam Glass wrote: Hi again, Some of the vqadmin issues mentioned here are making me a little nervous. If you don't mind, I'd like to review my setup so far and ask if there is anything to worry about. The plan is to handle e-mail for three domains on the server, accessing via IMAP and sometimes Squirrelmail. Two of those domains are live on a server elsewhere now. I created all three virtual domains using vqadmin, and also created e-mail users for each with vqadmin. Then I went into qmail-admin to designate one address from each domain to be the catchall. Next I configured BIND for the domain that is not already live, then pointed the upstream DNS there to make it live. E-mail seems to work fine, sending and receiving. My next step will be to move one of the two live domains over. This is e-mail from a functioning business that cannot be messed up. Now, it sounds like the problems people have experienced with vqadmin happen when they change or remove virtual domains. If that's true, perhaps I am okay. Or should I remove all of the virtual domains, all of the users, and start from scratch with the CLI or QControl? I don't see any documentation on how to remove users or virtual domains via CLI. Can anyone point me to it? If I purchase QControl, will it be able to remove the users and virtual domains created by vqadmin, or might things get worse instead? If you can still view the domains in vqadmin, then it did not mess your database up. Even if it did, you can run the mysql command to reset the number of users from 247. to 0 and you will be fine. Vqadmin only really creates issues when you use it to create domains and users (which you've already done) and do not fill in ALL fields, from my experience. It will still occasionally mess things up, but if you can view the domain in vqadmin then chances are it did not mess them up for you this time. I have never used vqadmin to create users, so I cannot say what issues that may have caused others. I only used qmailadmin to create users. I think you're okay at this point though. The commands to delete users/domains are in the same vpopmail bin directory: /home/vpopmail/bin/vdeluser [em...@address.com] /home/vpopmail/bin/vdeldomain [domain.com] QControl will work fine, even for domains that are messed up with vqadmin. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Understood. Is there any reason one would create domains or users with qmailadmin? --Adam On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Jake Vickers j...@qmailtoaster.comwrote: Adam Glass wrote: Hello, This question is really for information and curiosity, not to solve a problem: Since it is possible to create e-mail accounts via qmailadmin and via vqadmin, is it better to create them with one tool vs. the other? Do they both end up calling vadduser, and in the same way? If one wants IMAP vs. POP, is one way better than the other? Inter7 dropped development of vqadmin a couple years ago. As such, it has a couple bugs that will probably never be fixed unless someone wants to go through the code and fix them. We recommend that you do not use vqadmin for anything other than checking web statistics and recovering user passwords. When you create domains and users we recommend you use the command line or you can also use QControl that I wrote to replace vqadmin. If you use vqadmin to create domains or users you may run into issues with those accounts. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group ( www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Adam Glass wrote: Understood. Is there any reason one would create domains or users with qmailadmin? With qmailadmin? You can create users and it works correctly to do so. It's how most of my users manage their domains. You just need to use the CLI to create the domains initially (or QControl) and then you can use qmailadmin to manage the domain from that point on. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Qmailadmin can't create the domains. You'll have to do that in CLI or QControl first. Once done, qmailadmin does everything you need inside the domain. I highly recommend QControl. If for nothing else, the easily viewed logs and stats. -Phil Adam Glass wrote: Understood. Is there any reason one would create domains or users with qmailadmin? With qmailadmin? You can create users and it works correctly to do so. It's how most of my users manage their domains. You just need to use the CLI to create the domains initially (or QControl) and then you can use qmailadmin to manage the domain from that point on. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Jake Vickers wrote: Adam Glass wrote: Hello, This question is really for information and curiosity, not to solve a problem: Since it is possible to create e-mail accounts via qmailadmin and via vqadmin, is it better to create them with one tool vs. the other? Do they both end up calling vadduser, and in the same way? If one wants IMAP vs. POP, is one way better than the other? Inter7 dropped development of vqadmin a couple years ago. As such, it has a couple bugs that will probably never be fixed unless someone wants to go through the code and fix them. We recommend that you do not use vqadmin for anything other than checking web statistics and recovering user passwords. When you create domains and users we recommend you use the command line or you can also use QControl that I wrote to replace vqadmin. If you use vqadmin to create domains or users you may run into issues with those accounts. Once again, I'd like to recommend that vqadmin be dropped from QMT. The problems it has appear to outweigh the benefits it provides, especially now that qcontrol is available. Does anyone have any objections to this? I think it deserves some discussion. -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
I agree to 100%. Additionally I recommend to drop the zlib package: The package is several years old - old systems which are still running should already be updated, new ones are on a much newer state. Jake, in case you like, you could also create a Deprecated Packages section where those packages are archived... Johannes Am 19.05.2009 17:20, schrieb Eric Shubert: Once again, I'd like to recommend that vqadmin be dropped from QMT. The problems it has appear to outweigh the benefits it provides, especially now that qcontrol is available. Does anyone have any objections to this? I think it deserves some discussion. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Even though I'm on the user side rather than the developer side, I tend to agree. There seems to always be a few questions a month from someone new who tried to use VQadmin with bad results. It seems to be more trouble that good. I guess there should be a poll? Who uses VQadmin for anything that is not covered by Qcontrol or some other tool? -Phil I agree to 100%. Additionally I recommend to drop the zlib package: The package is several years old - old systems which are still running should already be updated, new ones are on a much newer state. Jake, in case you like, you could also create a Deprecated Packages section where those packages are archived... Johannes Am 19.05.2009 17:20, schrieb Eric Shubert: Once again, I'd like to recommend that vqadmin be dropped from QMT. The problems it has appear to outweigh the benefits it provides, especially now that qcontrol is available. Does anyone have any objections to this? I think it deserves some discussion. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
On May 19, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: Once again, I'd like to recommend that vqadmin be dropped from QMT. The problems it has appear to outweigh the benefits it provides, especially now that qcontrol is available. Does anyone have any objections to this? I think it deserves some discussion. i have no objection per se to dropping vqadmin; however, it seems a bit disingenuous to propose QControl as the appropriate replacement, given that it's commercial software. a statement such as vqadmin is broken, so we're dropping it; you'll need to use the command-line tools to add and delete domains would, i think, do a better job of setting appropriate expectations in the minds of users who don't follow this list. -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v http://five.sentenc.es smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
I would normally agree with you Steve but this is a bit different. For the home users with one domain, QControl is free. For anyone running more than one domain we are most likely running commercially. QMT and MOST of the accessories are free and the service in this forum is better than most paid support systems from the big guys like IBM, Dell, MS Throwing Jake a few bucks for his tool is money WELL spent. These guys are always on top of anything and they spend considerable time with updates, patches, etc. for NOTHING! I say throw him the business. VQadmin is BROKE. That fact is noted in several places yet users still stumble upon it and cause traffic in here. Phil On May 19, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: Once again, I'd like to recommend that vqadmin be dropped from QMT. The problems it has appear to outweigh the benefits it provides, especially now that qcontrol is available. Does anyone have any objections to this? I think it deserves some discussion. i have no objection per se to dropping vqadmin; however, it seems a bit disingenuous to propose QControl as the appropriate replacement, given that it's commercial software. a statement such as vqadmin is broken, so we're dropping it; you'll need to use the command-line tools to add and delete domains would, i think, do a better job of setting appropriate expectations in the minds of users who don't follow this list. -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v http://five.sentenc.es
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Phil, I agree to that points, too. Johannes Am 19.05.2009 19:34, schrieb Phil Leinhauser: I would normally agree with you Steve but this is a bit different. For the home users with one domain, QControl is free. For anyone running more than one domain we are most likely running commercially. QMT and MOST of the accessories are free and the service in this forum is better than most paid support systems from the big guys like IBM, Dell, MS Throwing Jake a few bucks for his tool is money WELL spent. These guys are always on top of anything and they spend considerable time with updates, patches, etc. for NOTHING! I say throw him the business. VQadmin is BROKE. That fact is noted in several places yet users still stumble upon it and cause traffic in here. Phil - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Hi all, Although I am new to this list, I have been running a Linux user group for over a decade, and have done software development that dealt with Open Source. Perhaps another perspective could be useful. It is sad but true that nobody wants to pay for software. No matter how much we understand the amount of hard work that goes into it, businesses won't pay for it. If there are two ways to get something done and one of them is free, most businesses will choose the free route. I suspect that the number of Qmail Toaster users would drop dramatically if you had to either pay for a tool to create multiple virtual domains, or had to use the CLI to do it. Some really good - and good looking - documentation on creating virtual domains via CLI might help retain some users who would otherwise go elsewhere, but probably not many. I have worked at a software development company that tried to take the middle ground, charging for add-ons while donating to the core project (anybody remember Metro-X?). But in the end it was not commercially viable. Sorry to be negative about this, but it's what I have seen and experienced. Right now you have a graphical tool that mostly works, even if it does have bugs. It is free which means Qmail Toaster is free, so you have a large user community that advocates for you (which is how I learned about this project). The problems that come from vqadmin's bugs may be easier to live with than the effects of charging for improved software. --Adam On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Phil Leinhauser p...@teqknow.com wrote: I would normally agree with you Steve but this is a bit different. For the home users with one domain, QControl is free. For anyone running more than one domain we are most likely running commercially. QMT and MOST of the accessories are free and the service in this forum is better than most paid support systems from the big guys like IBM, Dell, MS Throwing Jake a few bucks for his tool is money WELL spent. These guys are always on top of anything and they spend considerable time with updates, patches, etc. for NOTHING! I say throw him the business. VQadmin is BROKE. That fact is noted in several places yet users still stumble upon it and cause traffic in here. Phil On May 19, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: Once again, I'd like to recommend that vqadmin be dropped from QMT. The problems it has appear to outweigh the benefits it provides, especially now that qcontrol is available. Does anyone have any objections to this? I think it deserves some discussion. i have no objection per se to dropping vqadmin; however, it seems a bit disingenuous to propose QControl as the appropriate replacement, given that it's commercial software. a statement such as vqadmin is broken, so we're dropping it; you'll need to use the command-line tools to add and delete domains would, i think, do a better job of setting appropriate expectations in the minds of users who don't follow this list. -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v http://five.sentenc.es
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Hi, If some people would make a list of the most important bugs in qmailadmin I am sure they can be fixed.. I never use vqadmin, so I have no clue about what works or not, but I am capable of fixing it. JP On 19 mei 2009, at 19:56, Adam Glass wrote: Hi all, Although I am new to this list, I have been running a Linux user group for over a decade, and have done software development that dealt with Open Source. Perhaps another perspective could be useful. It is sad but true that nobody wants to pay for software. No matter how much we understand the amount of hard work that goes into it, businesses won't pay for it. If there are two ways to get something done and one of them is free, most businesses will choose the free route. I suspect that the number of Qmail Toaster users would drop dramatically if you had to either pay for a tool to create multiple virtual domains, or had to use the CLI to do it. Some really good - and good looking - documentation on creating virtual domains via CLI might help retain some users who would otherwise go elsewhere, but probably not many. I have worked at a software development company that tried to take the middle ground, charging for add-ons while donating to the core project (anybody remember Metro-X?). But in the end it was not commercially viable. Sorry to be negative about this, but it's what I have seen and experienced. Right now you have a graphical tool that mostly works, even if it does have bugs. It is free which means Qmail Toaster is free, so you have a large user community that advocates for you (which is how I learned about this project). The problems that come from vqadmin's bugs may be easier to live with than the effects of charging for improved software. --Adam On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Phil Leinhauser p...@teqknow.com wrote: I would normally agree with you Steve but this is a bit different. For the home users with one domain, QControl is free. For anyone running more than one domain we are most likely running commercially. QMT and MOST of the accessories are free and the service in this forum is better than most paid support systems from the big guys like IBM, Dell, MS Throwing Jake a few bucks for his tool is money WELL spent. These guys are always on top of anything and they spend considerable time with updates, patches, etc. for NOTHING! I say throw him the business. VQadmin is BROKE. That fact is noted in several places yet users still stumble upon it and cause traffic in here. Phil On May 19, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: Once again, I'd like to recommend that vqadmin be dropped from QMT. The problems it has appear to outweigh the benefits it provides, especially now that qcontrol is available. Does anyone have any objections to this? I think it deserves some discussion. i have no objection per se to dropping vqadmin; however, it seems a bit disingenuous to propose QControl as the appropriate replacement, given that it's commercial software. a statement such as vqadmin is broken, so we're dropping it; you'll need to use the command-line tools to add and delete domains would, i think, do a better job of setting appropriate expectations in the minds of users who don't follow this list. -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v http://five.sentenc.es
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
haha :) On 19 mei 2009, at 20:07, Adam Glass wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Jean-Paul van de Plasse jeanp...@i-serve.nl wrote: Hi, If some people would make a list of the most important bugs in qmailadmin I am sure they can be fixed.. My vote: It is not possible to create an e-mail account when the username is two characters :-) --Adam I never use vqadmin, so I have no clue about what works or not, but I am capable of fixing it. JP On 19 mei 2009, at 19:56, Adam Glass wrote: Hi all, Although I am new to this list, I have been running a Linux user group for over a decade, and have done software development that dealt with Open Source. Perhaps another perspective could be useful. It is sad but true that nobody wants to pay for software. No matter how much we understand the amount of hard work that goes into it, businesses won't pay for it. If there are two ways to get something done and one of them is free, most businesses will choose the free route. I suspect that the number of Qmail Toaster users would drop dramatically if you had to either pay for a tool to create multiple virtual domains, or had to use the CLI to do it. Some really good - and good looking - documentation on creating virtual domains via CLI might help retain some users who would otherwise go elsewhere, but probably not many. I have worked at a software development company that tried to take the middle ground, charging for add-ons while donating to the core project (anybody remember Metro-X?). But in the end it was not commercially viable. Sorry to be negative about this, but it's what I have seen and experienced. Right now you have a graphical tool that mostly works, even if it does have bugs. It is free which means Qmail Toaster is free, so you have a large user community that advocates for you (which is how I learned about this project). The problems that come from vqadmin's bugs may be easier to live with than the effects of charging for improved software. --Adam On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Phil Leinhauser p...@teqknow.com wrote: I would normally agree with you Steve but this is a bit different. For the home users with one domain, QControl is free. For anyone running more than one domain we are most likely running commercially. QMT and MOST of the accessories are free and the service in this forum is better than most paid support systems from the big guys like IBM, Dell, MS Throwing Jake a few bucks for his tool is money WELL spent. These guys are always on top of anything and they spend considerable time with updates, patches, etc. for NOTHING! I say throw him the business. VQadmin is BROKE. That fact is noted in several places yet users still stumble upon it and cause traffic in here. Phil On May 19, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: Once again, I'd like to recommend that vqadmin be dropped from QMT. The problems it has appear to outweigh the benefits it provides, especially now that qcontrol is available. Does anyone have any objections to this? I think it deserves some discussion. i have no objection per se to dropping vqadmin; however, it seems a bit disingenuous to propose QControl as the appropriate replacement, given that it's commercial software. a statement such as vqadmin is broken, so we're dropping it; you'll need to use the command-line tools to add and delete domains would, i think, do a better job of setting appropriate expectations in the minds of users who don't follow this list. -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v http://five.sentenc.es
RE: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
i tend to agree with Adam. if you require a pay tool for a free package it will hurt. i do not use QControl because the free version is only for one domain. for my part i did just buy the CentQMT5 download, and may well pony up the cash for the QControl i would need. but i still think needing a pay admin software is going to hurt overall (although i have been using command line since i started using qmail toaster). the more users we have, the better it gets (although one could argue the other side of that as well!). Helmut _ From: Jean-Paul van de Plasse [mailto:jeanp...@i-serve.nl] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:03 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin Hi, If some people would make a list of the most important bugs in qmailadmin I am sure they can be fixed.. I never use vqadmin, so I have no clue about what works or not, but I am capable of fixing it. JP On 19 mei 2009, at 19:56, Adam Glass wrote: Hi all, Although I am new to this list, I have been running a Linux user group for over a decade, and have done software development that dealt with Open Source. Perhaps another perspective could be useful. It is sad but true that nobody wants to pay for software. No matter how much we understand the amount of hard work that goes into it, businesses won't pay for it. If there are two ways to get something done and one of them is free, most businesses will choose the free route. I suspect that the number of Qmail Toaster users would drop dramatically if you had to either pay for a tool to create multiple virtual domains, or had to use the CLI to do it. Some really good - and good looking - documentation on creating virtual domains via CLI might help retain some users who would otherwise go elsewhere, but probably not many. I have worked at a software development company that tried to take the middle ground, charging for add-ons while donating to the core project (anybody remember Metro-X?). But in the end it was not commercially viable. Sorry to be negative about this, but it's what I have seen and experienced. Right now you have a graphical tool that mostly works, even if it does have bugs. It is free which means Qmail Toaster is free, so you have a large user community that advocates for you (which is how I learned about this project). The problems that come from vqadmin's bugs may be easier to live with than the effects of charging for improved software. --Adam On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Phil Leinhauser p...@teqknow.com wrote: I would normally agree with you Steve but this is a bit different. For the home users with one domain, QControl is free. For anyone running more than one domain we are most likely running commercially. QMT and MOST of the accessories are free and the service in this forum is better than most paid support systems from the big guys like IBM, Dell, MS Throwing Jake a few bucks for his tool is money WELL spent. These guys are always on top of anything and they spend considerable time with updates, patches, etc. for NOTHING! I say throw him the business. VQadmin is BROKE. That fact is noted in several places yet users still stumble upon it and cause traffic in here. Phil On May 19, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: Once again, I'd like to recommend that vqadmin be dropped from QMT. The problems it has appear to outweigh the benefits it provides, especially now that qcontrol is available. Does anyone have any objections to this? I think it deserves some discussion. i have no objection per se to dropping vqadmin; however, it seems a bit disingenuous to propose QControl as the appropriate replacement, given that it's commercial software. a statement such as vqadmin is broken, so we're dropping it; you'll need to use the command-line tools to add and delete domains would, i think, do a better job of setting appropriate expectations in the minds of users who don't follow this list. -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v http://five.sentenc.es
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
The bugs are in vqadmin, not qmailadmin. qmailadmin works fine. You're wise (or lucky?) to not use vqadmin for anything but inquiries. Jean-Paul van de Plasse wrote: Hi, If some people would make a list of the most important bugs in qmailadmin I am sure they can be fixed.. I never use vqadmin, so I have no clue about what works or not, but I am capable of fixing it. JP On 19 mei 2009, at 19:56, Adam Glass wrote: Hi all, Although I am new to this list, I have been running a Linux user group for over a decade, and have done software development that dealt with Open Source. Perhaps another perspective could be useful. It is sad but true that nobody wants to pay for software. No matter how much we understand the amount of hard work that goes into it, businesses won't pay for it. If there are two ways to get something done and one of them is free, most businesses will choose the free route. I suspect that the number of Qmail Toaster users would drop dramatically if you had to either pay for a tool to create multiple virtual domains, or had to use the CLI to do it. Some really good - and good looking - documentation on creating virtual domains via CLI might help retain some users who would otherwise go elsewhere, but probably not many. I have worked at a software development company that tried to take the middle ground, charging for add-ons while donating to the core project (anybody remember Metro-X?). But in the end it was not commercially viable. Sorry to be negative about this, but it's what I have seen and experienced. Right now you have a graphical tool that mostly works, even if it does have bugs. It is free which means Qmail Toaster is free, so you have a large user community that advocates for you (which is how I learned about this project). The problems that come from vqadmin's bugs may be easier to live with than the effects of charging for improved software. --Adam On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Phil Leinhauser p...@teqknow.com mailto:p...@teqknow.com wrote: I would normally agree with you Steve but this is a bit different. For the home users with one domain, QControl is free. For anyone running more than one domain we are most likely running commercially. QMT and MOST of the accessories are free and the service in this forum is better than most paid support systems from the big guys like IBM, Dell, MS Throwing Jake a few bucks for his tool is money WELL spent. These guys are always on top of anything and they spend considerable time with updates, patches, etc. for NOTHING! I say throw him the business. VQadmin is BROKE. That fact is noted in several places yet users still stumble upon it and cause traffic in here. Phil On May 19, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: Once again, I'd like to recommend that vqadmin be dropped from QMT. The problems it has appear to outweigh the benefits it provides, especially now that qcontrol is available. Does anyone have any objections to this? I think it deserves some discussion. i have no objection per se to dropping vqadmin; however, it seems a bit disingenuous to propose QControl as the appropriate replacement, given that it's commercial software. a statement such as vqadmin is broken, so we're dropping it; you'll need to use the command-line tools to add and delete domains would, i think, do a better job of setting appropriate expectations in the minds of users who don't follow this list. -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v http://five.sentenc.es -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Yea I know where the bugs are.. a little mixup.. And I never needed vqadmin for anything.. But I guess it could be usefull to some.. On 19 mei 2009, at 20:12, Eric Shubert wrote: The bugs are in vqadmin, not qmailadmin. qmailadmin works fine. You're wise (or lucky?) to not use vqadmin for anything but inquiries. Jean-Paul van de Plasse wrote: Hi, If some people would make a list of the most important bugs in qmailadmin I am sure they can be fixed.. I never use vqadmin, so I have no clue about what works or not, but I am capable of fixing it. JP On 19 mei 2009, at 19:56, Adam Glass wrote: Hi all, Although I am new to this list, I have been running a Linux user group for over a decade, and have done software development that dealt with Open Source. Perhaps another perspective could be useful. It is sad but true that nobody wants to pay for software. No matter how much we understand the amount of hard work that goes into it, businesses won't pay for it. If there are two ways to get something done and one of them is free, most businesses will choose the free route. I suspect that the number of Qmail Toaster users would drop dramatically if you had to either pay for a tool to create multiple virtual domains, or had to use the CLI to do it. Some really good - and good looking - documentation on creating virtual domains via CLI might help retain some users who would otherwise go elsewhere, but probably not many. I have worked at a software development company that tried to take the middle ground, charging for add-ons while donating to the core project (anybody remember Metro-X?). But in the end it was not commercially viable. Sorry to be negative about this, but it's what I have seen and experienced. Right now you have a graphical tool that mostly works, even if it does have bugs. It is free which means Qmail Toaster is free, so you have a large user community that advocates for you (which is how I learned about this project). The problems that come from vqadmin's bugs may be easier to live with than the effects of charging for improved software. --Adam On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Phil Leinhauser p...@teqknow.com mailto:p...@teqknow.com wrote: I would normally agree with you Steve but this is a bit different. For the home users with one domain, QControl is free. For anyone running more than one domain we are most likely running commercially. QMT and MOST of the accessories are free and the service in this forum is better than most paid support systems from the big guys like IBM, Dell, MS Throwing Jake a few bucks for his tool is money WELL spent. These guys are always on top of anything and they spend considerable time with updates, patches, etc. for NOTHING! I say throw him the business. VQadmin is BROKE. That fact is noted in several places yet users still stumble upon it and cause traffic in here. Phil On May 19, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: Once again, I'd like to recommend that vqadmin be dropped from QMT. The problems it has appear to outweigh the benefits it provides, especially now that qcontrol is available. Does anyone have any objections to this? I think it deserves some discussion. i have no objection per se to dropping vqadmin; however, it seems a bit disingenuous to propose QControl as the appropriate replacement, given that it's commercial software. a statement such as vqadmin is broken, so we're dropping it; you'll need to use the command- line tools to add and delete domains would, i think, do a better job of setting appropriate expectations in the minds of users who don't follow this list. -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v http://five.sentenc.es -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com ) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today!
RE: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
I would like to add my 2 cents here too if I may. I have been running toaster for over a year on a private server. This server is actually a production server for my home based web design company. I have a total of 3 domains running on it and about 7 or so email addresses. I stay the hell away from VQAdmin and QmailAdmin and their interfaces. I say this because of 2 reasons. First, they are nice and easy (I don't learn that way). Second, every time I've created a user, an email group, distribution list, or anything regarding email on either of those tools, my domains become corrupt and I have to delete/recreate to fix them. Needless to say its wasted time. However, if I create them using the command line interface and watch for the little tweaky stuff (EG. I now have to reboot once a week to prevent spamdyke going into a greylist deny loop) it works fine. If I were to go and use a full production server with several emails going in and out a day and a need for 100% reliability, I'd use something a bit more commercial such as exchange (even though I don't want to). My recommendations, Stick to command line, it's the most reliable way to administer any AIX box. Donate to QMT. Even though its free, their time isn't and the donations are well earned! Glen V -Original Message- From: Johannes Weberhofer, Weberhofer GmbH [mailto:off...@weberhofer.at] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:57 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin Phil, I agree to that points, too. Johannes Am 19.05.2009 19:34, schrieb Phil Leinhauser: I would normally agree with you Steve but this is a bit different. For the home users with one domain, QControl is free. For anyone running more than one domain we are most likely running commercially. QMT and MOST of the accessories are free and the service in this forum is better than most paid support systems from the big guys like IBM, Dell, MS Throwing Jake a few bucks for his tool is money WELL spent. These guys are always on top of anything and they spend considerable time with updates, patches, etc. for NOTHING! I say throw him the business. VQadmin is BROKE. That fact is noted in several places yet users still stumble upon it and cause traffic in here. Phil - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Change /usr/share/toaster/htdocs/scripts/javascripts.js
Line 24
if (address.indexOf('@') 3) return false;
To
if (address.indexOf('@') 2) return false;
Not really a bug I guess..
JP
On 19 mei 2009, at 20:07, Adam Glass wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Jean-Paul van de Plasse jeanp...@i-serve.nl
wrote:
Hi,
If some people would make a list of the most important bugs in
qmailadmin I am sure they can be fixed..
My vote: It is not possible to create an e-mail account when the
username is two characters :-)
--Adam
I never use vqadmin, so I have no clue about what works or not, but
I am capable of fixing it.
JP
On 19 mei 2009, at 19:56, Adam Glass wrote:
Hi all,
Although I am new to this list, I have been running a Linux user
group for over a decade, and have done software development that
dealt with Open Source. Perhaps another perspective could be useful.
It is sad but true that nobody wants to pay for software. No
matter how much we understand the amount of hard work that goes
into it, businesses won't pay for it. If there are two ways to get
something done and one of them is free, most businesses will choose
the free route.
I suspect that the number of Qmail Toaster users would drop
dramatically if you had to either pay for a tool to create multiple
virtual domains, or had to use the CLI to do it.
Some really good - and good looking - documentation on creating
virtual domains via CLI might help retain some users who would
otherwise go elsewhere, but probably not many.
I have worked at a software development company that tried to take
the middle ground, charging for add-ons while donating to the core
project (anybody remember Metro-X?). But in the end it was not
commercially viable.
Sorry to be negative about this, but it's what I have seen and
experienced. Right now you have a graphical tool that mostly
works, even if it does have bugs. It is free which means Qmail
Toaster is free, so you have a large user community that advocates
for you (which is how I learned about this project).
The problems that come from vqadmin's bugs may be easier to live
with than the effects of charging for improved software.
--Adam
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Phil Leinhauser p...@teqknow.com
wrote:
I would normally agree with you Steve but this is a bit different.
For the home users with one domain, QControl is free. For anyone
running more than one domain we are most likely running
commercially. QMT and MOST of the accessories are free and the
service in this forum is better than most paid support systems from
the big guys like IBM, Dell, MS Throwing Jake a few bucks for
his tool is money WELL spent. These guys are always on top of
anything and they spend considerable time with updates, patches,
etc. for NOTHING! I say throw him the business.
VQadmin is BROKE. That fact is noted in several places yet users
still stumble upon it and cause traffic in here.
Phil
On May 19, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:
Once again, I'd like to recommend that vqadmin be dropped from
QMT.
The problems it has appear to outweigh the benefits it provides,
especially now that qcontrol is available.
Does anyone have any objections to this? I think it deserves some
discussion.
i have no objection per se to dropping vqadmin; however, it seems a
bit disingenuous to propose QControl as the appropriate
replacement,
given that it's commercial software. a statement such as vqadmin
is
broken, so we're dropping it; you'll need to use the command-line
tools to add and delete domains would, i think, do a better job of
setting appropriate expectations in the minds of users who don't
follow this list.
-steve
--
If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an
improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v
http://five.sentenc.es
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
I have never experienced any problems with QmailAdmin... Johannes Am 19.05.2009 20:29, schrieb Glen Vickers: I stay the hell away from VQAdmin and QmailAdmin and their interfaces. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Glen Vickers wrote: However, if I create them using the command line interface and watch for the little tweaky stuff (EG. I now have to reboot once a week to prevent spamdyke going into a greylist deny loop) it works fine. I'm curious to know more about this problem, Glen. Spamdyke has worked flawlessly for me. Would you care to provide more information about your problem so we might find a cure? Please start a new thread if you do. -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
RE: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Everyone seems to think Qcontrol or VQadmin are the only ways to get domains into QMT. I personally use webmin. In the command line section I have the history of commands run and I queue up a past domain add, modify it for the new domain and kick it off. Qcontrol does a LOT more than create domains. Do you have a tool to read log files? Modify control files? Look at the Queue? Check and modify Spamassasin? and a LOT more... I feel like an infomercial... BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!! It whitens and brightens... Come on people. i tend to agree with Adam. if you require a pay tool for a free package it will hurt. i do not use QControl because the free version is only for one domain. for my part i did just buy the CentQMT5 download, and may well pony up the cash for the QControl i would need. but i still think needing a pay admin software is going to hurt overall (although i have been using command line since i started using qmail toaster). the more users we have, the better it gets (although one could argue the other side of that as well!). Helmut _ From: Jean-Paul van de Plasse [mailto:jeanp...@i-serve.nl] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:03 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin Hi, If some people would make a list of the most important bugs in qmailadmin I am sure they can be fixed.. I never use vqadmin, so I have no clue about what works or not, but I am capable of fixing it. JP On 19 mei 2009, at 19:56, Adam Glass wrote: Hi all, Although I am new to this list, I have been running a Linux user group for over a decade, and have done software development that dealt with Open Source. Perhaps another perspective could be useful. It is sad but true that nobody wants to pay for software. No matter how much we understand the amount of hard work that goes into it, businesses won't pay for it. If there are two ways to get something done and one of them is free, most businesses will choose the free route. I suspect that the number of Qmail Toaster users would drop dramatically if you had to either pay for a tool to create multiple virtual domains, or had to use the CLI to do it. Some really good - and good looking - documentation on creating virtual domains via CLI might help retain some users who would otherwise go elsewhere, but probably not many. I have worked at a software development company that tried to take the middle ground, charging for add-ons while donating to the core project (anybody remember Metro-X?). But in the end it was not commercially viable. Sorry to be negative about this, but it's what I have seen and experienced. Right now you have a graphical tool that mostly works, even if it does have bugs. It is free which means Qmail Toaster is free, so you have a large user community that advocates for you (which is how I learned about this project). The problems that come from vqadmin's bugs may be easier to live with than the effects of charging for improved software. --Adam On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Phil Leinhauser p...@teqknow.com wrote: I would normally agree with you Steve but this is a bit different. For the home users with one domain, QControl is free. For anyone running more than one domain we are most likely running commercially. QMT and MOST of the accessories are free and the service in this forum is better than most paid support systems from the big guys like IBM, Dell, MS Throwing Jake a few bucks for his tool is money WELL spent. These guys are always on top of anything and they spend considerable time with updates, patches, etc. for NOTHING! I say throw him the business. VQadmin is BROKE. That fact is noted in several places yet users still stumble upon it and cause traffic in here. Phil On May 19, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: Once again, I'd like to recommend that vqadmin be dropped from QMT. The problems it has appear to outweigh the benefits it provides, especially now that qcontrol is available. Does anyone have any objections to this? I think it deserves some discussion. i have no objection per se to dropping vqadmin; however, it seems a bit disingenuous to propose QControl as the appropriate replacement, given that it's commercial software. a statement such as vqadmin is broken, so we're dropping it; you'll need to use the command-line tools to add and delete domains would, i think, do a better job of setting appropriate expectations in the minds of users who don't follow this list. -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v http://five.sentenc.es
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
I might think that vqadmin - even hobbled is getting a bum rap. I use CLI for domain creation . but have used vqadmin to add users and forwards ...i have not had a problem. The upside of this , for me anyway , is domain creation happens seldom and usr change happens more often. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Not to be stubborn.. just trying to help out as I did frequently on this list a year or so ago.. Just added and removed some domains/users, mostly it just calls the command line, and also it has the same bug in regards to dir_control, the cur_users field goes whack if you delete a user. Well goes whack.. better said is that the field is not incremented when you add a user so it remains 0, and it does decrement when you delete a user, so you get int 0 - 1 =2147483647 But so far that was the only thing really wrong and that is the same with the command line tools.. I did not test setting limits or other more advanced settings, but as said, if anyone knows of real bugs that I can reproduce, I will look into it. JP On 19 mei 2009, at 21:28, Phil Leinhauser wrote: I've been burned by database corruption from VQadmin too many times. The only thing I use it for now is password lookup and QC does that. VQadmin is a look, don't touch thing as far as I'm concerned. I might think that vqadmin - even hobbled is getting a bum rap. I use CLI for domain creation . but have used vqadmin to add users and forwards ...i have not had a problem. The upside of this , for me anyway , is domain creation happens seldom and usr change happens more often. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
RE: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
So it is not really vqadmin, rather the cli tools? -Original Message- From: Jean-Paul van de Plasse [mailto:jeanp...@i-serve.nl] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:44 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin Not to be stubborn.. just trying to help out as I did frequently on this list a year or so ago.. Just added and removed some domains/users, mostly it just calls the command line, and also it has the same bug in regards to dir_control, the cur_users field goes whack if you delete a user. Well goes whack.. better said is that the field is not incremented when you add a user so it remains 0, and it does decrement when you delete a user, so you get int 0 - 1 =2147483647 But so far that was the only thing really wrong and that is the same with the command line tools.. I did not test setting limits or other more advanced settings, but as said, if anyone knows of real bugs that I can reproduce, I will look into it. JP On 19 mei 2009, at 21:28, Phil Leinhauser wrote: I've been burned by database corruption from VQadmin too many times. The only thing I use it for now is password lookup and QC does that. VQadmin is a look, don't touch thing as far as I'm concerned. I might think that vqadmin - even hobbled is getting a bum rap. I use CLI for domain creation . but have used vqadmin to add users and forwards ...i have not had a problem. The upside of this , for me anyway , is domain creation happens seldom and usr change happens more often. -- --- Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! -- --- Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Jim Shupert wrote: I might think that vqadmin - even hobbled is getting a bum rap. I use CLI for domain creation . but have used vqadmin to add users and forwards ...i have not had a problem. The upside of this , for me anyway , is domain creation happens seldom and usr change happens more often. FWIW, I use CLI for domain creation as well, but I use qmailadmin for user maintenance. If anyone thinks they need vqadmin for gui user/forward maintenance, they can use qmailadmin instead. Or qcontrol of course. ;) -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
RE: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
I do the same, cli domains and qmailadmin for users. -Original Message- From: news [mailto:n...@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Eric Shubert Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:46 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin Jim Shupert wrote: I might think that vqadmin - even hobbled is getting a bum rap. I use CLI for domain creation . but have used vqadmin to add users and forwards ...i have not had a problem. The upside of this , for me anyway , is domain creation happens seldom and usr change happens more often. FWIW, I use CLI for domain creation as well, but I use qmailadmin for user maintenance. If anyone thinks they need vqadmin for gui user/forward maintenance, they can use qmailadmin instead. Or qcontrol of course. ;) -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Not sure if it's the same problem you have or not. I recall something about when you create a domain, then a user, the mailbox limit is some real strange number. Also, the only way to remove the domain was to go into the database and delete the rows from that domain. If you tried to delete it using any tools it would look like it was gone but if you tried to recreate the same domain again, it would say it already exists. I'm not sure what else I ran into. If you're willing to put in the time to fix it then that's great! Phil Not to be stubborn.. just trying to help out as I did frequently on this list a year or so ago.. Just added and removed some domains/users, mostly it just calls the command line, and also it has the same bug in regards to dir_control, the cur_users field goes whack if you delete a user. Well goes whack.. better said is that the field is not incremented when you add a user so it remains 0, and it does decrement when you delete a user, so you get int 0 - 1 =2147483647 But so far that was the only thing really wrong and that is the same with the command line tools.. I did not test setting limits or other more advanced settings, but as said, if anyone knows of real bugs that I can reproduce, I will look into it. JP On 19 mei 2009, at 21:28, Phil Leinhauser wrote: I've been burned by database corruption from VQadmin too many times. The only thing I use it for now is password lookup and QC does that. VQadmin is a look, don't touch thing as far as I'm concerned. I might think that vqadmin - even hobbled is getting a bum rap. I use CLI for domain creation . but have used vqadmin to add users and forwards ...i have not had a problem. The upside of this , for me anyway , is domain creation happens seldom and usr change happens more often. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
Hey Jake, I do not think anyone on this list or using qmt does not apriciate the work you did and are doing.. For me it really is not about the 30$, just never needed an interface, guess I should check qcontrol maybe it will help me alot :) Anyways, as said in an other mail I am just trying to help some who are using vqadmin.. Have been active in the past with patches and helping arround on this list, been busy otherwise but figured I can still contribute some time to qmt. I do think (as u suggest) a good mailserver needs a basic tool to manage the users, so it would be good to fix vqadmin. Or to write a replacement, with some basic features. Guess I should crawl back under the stone I was the past year.. seems this all stirs up things .. Sorry for that. JP On 19 mei 2009, at 22:32, Jake Vickers wrote: Phil Leinhauser wrote: Everyone seems to think Qcontrol or VQadmin are the only ways to get domains into QMT. I personally use webmin. In the command line section I have the history of commands run and I queue up a past domain add, modify it for the new domain and kick it off. Qcontrol does a LOT more than create domains. Do you have a tool to read log files? Modify control files? Look at the Queue? Check and modify Spamassasin? and a LOT more... I feel like an infomercial... BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!! It whitens and brightens... Come on people Thanks for the plug, Phil. I was off for a bit fixing a broken laptop screen and was surprised to see this much traffic on the list. This particular topic has generated quite a stir! I think the topic covers a few different things. First and foremost is why Vqadmin is still in the package list - I guess laziness and hesitation on my part. It's always been there, so I left it there. There - I admit laziness. Hesitation to remove it also brushes on my laziness, but brings a key point to the forefront. If I remove it, what do I replace it with? I've noticed a trend in the -- we'll call it quality -- of questions posted by new users on the mailing list. If they don't have a GUI/web administration tool then they do not have the technical knowledge (or incentive) to use the system in general. I've gotten questions off-list where I have to ask, should this person even be running a server? I think for this group of people a GUI/web-GUI is a must. They will not be able to use the system otherwise. For this reason I hesitate to completely remove vqadmin. Maybe if I make it a package that is not installed by default? Really it would only be removed from the install scripts, and we would be forcing users to go out of their way to choose a web administration method or learn the CLI. What does everyone think of that? my message gets long after this point, and I do rant some, so feel free to skip it okay, I rant a lot Another stream this topic brushes on is the commercial/pay versus open source and free (not the same thing people!). I took the project over and contribute to it because I support open source. I run this particular project (and contribute to several others) because I like the idea and want to keep the spirit alive. I also run my own business, so I look at things through two different sets of glasses. Why did I make 2 different versions of QControl? Because open source doesn't generate revenue unless specifically designed to do so. Most open source projects plan on generating revenue based upon support. We have a *great* support system here in the mailing list, so commercial support is generally not needed. Donations do not work: I had the QMT-ISO domain for 2 years. In that 2 years (after 2500+ downloads, 900+ petabytes in traffic) I never received donation one. When a user was questioning why they had to pay for the download of CentQMT5, I explained exactly why I was charging for it - and they donated $10 to the QTP project. QTP is another project that had a donation box up for a couple years that only received the one donation. While I did receive some thanks from both projects, that does not cover costs. I am slimming the project down some to reduce my costs, but for a while there I was spending a couple hundred dollars a month on server space, rack space, bandwidth costs, etc. AND I was expected to provide free support on the mailing list - people actually get mad and occasionally call me names when they contact me off-list for support and I tell them for the level of support they need they must pay. From a business standpoint, this project is very much like our (United States) economy - a big hole that money was shoveled into in the hopes that it will turn out better in the future. Before I took the project over I had a good taste of what was to be expected (from the QMT-ISO and QTP projects), so this was no big shock. I charge for QControl to make some money. You won't willingly send me any money so I charge for the
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
I (shamefully, on occasion) use /home/vpopmail/bin/vuserinfo for password lookups. FWIW, looking up passwords (storing passwords in clear text, to be precise) is considered to be a bad practice from a security standpoint. A more secure way is to have the admin reset the password when forgotten. I'm not sure why QMT is configured to store PWs in clear text. Might want to consider changing that in a future release. Helmut Fritz wrote: I think you are correct in the issue to decide Jake. I think it can safely be removed if everything it does is available elsewhere. Password lookup? I know domains can be done with webmin as well as CLI. And I do not think vqadmin should be used for user creation/management. Qmailadmin is plenty good there. So multiple tools need to be used. What would someone expect if it is free? -Original Message- From: Jake Vickers [mailto:j...@qmailtoaster.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:05 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin Jean-Paul van de Plasse wrote: Hey Jake, I do not think anyone on this list or using qmt does not apriciate the work you did and are doing.. For me it really is not about the 30$, just never needed an interface, guess I should check qcontrol maybe it will help me alot :) Anyways, as said in an other mail I am just trying to help some who are using vqadmin.. Have been active in the past with patches and helping arround on this list, been busy otherwise but figured I can still contribute some time to qmt. I do think (as u suggest) a good mailserver needs a basic tool to manage the users, so it would be good to fix vqadmin. Or to write a replacement, with some basic features. Guess I should crawl back under the stone I was the past year.. seems this all stirs up things .. Sorry for that. I think the topic actually generated some good ideas and traffic. I'm trying to get the project back into giving the community what they ask for - I can't do this if you don't tell me what you want! I know lots of people appreciate the work that I and others do. That's not the issue I was ranting on. It costs actual money to run a project like this, and most people do not understand that. I'm not even counting time spent, just actual server costs. I'd started 2 or 3 projects in the past to write a replacement for Vqadmin with other people, but they always died on the vine. I found it frustrating. After a specific user went on a long-winded thread on how open source would never work because we wouldn't write a GUI that worked I decided to sit down and learn the skills I lacked to write the thing by myself. I honestly don't even use my own software to administer my system(s). I run servers for other companies around the world and I always found it easier to use the CLI myself. Mainly out of habit. The only feature that I can think of that Vqadmin provides that is not covered under Qmailadmin is the ability to create domains. I'll be starting a video magazine for QMT in the very near future with how-to videos, and one of the topics I'll eventually cover is how to add domains using the command line and why to not use Vqadmin. So I think the major topic we need to hash out is whether to remove the Vqadmin package from the auto-installers or not - correct me if I am wrong. -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
RE: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
-Original Message- From: news [mailto:n...@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Eric Shubert Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:47 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin Glen Vickers wrote: However, if I create them using the command line interface and watch for the little tweaky stuff (EG. I now have to reboot once a week to prevent spamdyke going into a greylist deny loop) it works fine. I'm curious to know more about this problem, Glen. Spamdyke has worked flawlessly for me. Would you care to provide more information about your problem so we might find a cure? Please start a new thread if you do. -- The solution to my issue was to restart services for qmail. I really don't know why it started perma greylisting everything. It really didn't bounce things either, it went to queue and circled around till I restarted. It was odd when it happened. It was working fine then freaked. But a restart of services fixed it. I had posted a thread on it early and what I did to repair the weirdness. Glen - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
RE: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
-Original Message- From: Helmut Fritz [mailto:hel...@phpwebservices.com] Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2009 9:43 a.m. To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: RE: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin I think you are correct in the issue to decide Jake. I think it can safely be removed if everything it does is available elsewhere. Password lookup? I know domains can be done with webmin as well as CLI. Password lookups are the only reason we use VqAdmin at work. We use QmailAdmin and the CLI for everything else. The server is pretty old (running Debian Sarge) - Toasted from Bill Shupp's original Qmail Toaster several years ago. However, our version of VqAdmin (2.3.6), does not appear to suffer from the problems that other people have mentioned in this thread - we've certainly never experienced incorrect setups or corruption from using it in the past, where it was used more heavily than present day. 2c. Cheers, Mike - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
RE: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
I wonder if the version could be rolled back to the one that Michael uses??? Just a thought. -Original Message- From: Michael Hutchinson [mailto:mhutchin...@manux.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:20 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: RE: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin -Original Message- From: Helmut Fritz [mailto:hel...@phpwebservices.com] Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2009 9:43 a.m. To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: RE: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin I think you are correct in the issue to decide Jake. I think it can safely be removed if everything it does is available elsewhere. Password lookup? I know domains can be done with webmin as well as CLI. Password lookups are the only reason we use VqAdmin at work. We use QmailAdmin and the CLI for everything else. The server is pretty old (running Debian Sarge) - Toasted from Bill Shupp's original Qmail Toaster several years ago. However, our version of VqAdmin (2.3.6), does not appear to suffer from the problems that other people have mentioned in this thread - we've certainly never experienced incorrect setups or corruption from using it in the past, where it was used more heavily than present day. 2c. Cheers, Mike - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. Qmailadmin
I have never looked deeper into the sources of vqadmin - but the problems could result out of changed interfaces in the current CLI usage / database syntax which is not covered by the old vqadmin version, so I guess that older versions does not improve things. Johannes Am 20.05.2009 00:44, schrieb Helmut Fritz: I wonder if the version could be rolled back to the one that Michael uses??? Just a thought. Password lookups are the only reason we use VqAdmin at work. We use QmailAdmin and the CLI for everything else. The server is pretty old (running Debian Sarge) - Toasted from Bill Shupp's original Qmail Toaster several years ago. However, our version of VqAdmin (2.3.6), does not appear to suffer from the problems that other people have mentioned in this thread - we've certainly never experienced incorrect setups or corruption from using it in the past, where it was used more heavily than present day. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
