Re: AOL Instant Messager

[Denny Davis]

At 7:47 PM -0400 on 08/20/00, Bruce's Mac wittily wrote:


>Hello all,
>
>I can tell you that the lastest version of AIM will work on a
>quadra840av it is version#4.0.972, I have a hqx copy for those of you who
>would like it. Email off list, and I will send you a copy.
>
>Bruce

Some time back Bruce made this offer. I asked for the copy [I think], but I
didn't get it.

Does anyone know what the latest version of AIM is that will work on a Quad?
Also might someone have a URL or could they send me a copy? URL preferred, if
one is going to send a copy would they please ask first? :-}
<<<>>>
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but satisfaction brought it back.

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Re: What's more "Technical"

[Denny Davis]

At 3:17 AM -0400 on 08/15/02, the pickle wittily wrote:


>At 23:55 -0700 on 14/08/02, Clark Martin wrote:
>
>>At 12:58 AM -0400 8/15/02, the pickle wrote:
>>>At 23:34 -0500 on 14/08/02, Ryan wrote:
>>>
OK, I'm for real, I've been with PCs a while, and Macs a Good while.  But
what's more technical?  That's for you to decide. PCs have CMOS and BIOS,
and Macs have a built in interupt switch where you can get out of a crash
with G FINDER 99% of the time.  So what's more technical?  Tell me, I want
your opinion
>>>
>>>Here's one for ya - betcha didn't know that the "FINDER" part of that
>>>command
>>>doesn't do anything...
>>
>>
>>While I've never used G FINDER the FINDER part should do something.
>
>It doesn't, because "FINDER" isn't an address or command.
>
>>Simply typing G  will resume execution where the program was
>>stopped when interrupted.
>>
>>I always used G F6D8  or something like that which made a
>>call to the Exit Shell system call (IIRC).  Later you could just type
>
>"F6D8" *is* a command, which is why it does something :)
>--
>
>the pickle
>

Hmm How about if you just install MacsBug and then install some MacsBug
Macros. Then when you are in the Debugger, you can hit the F2 key to return
to shell or hit the F5 key to restart for example. :-}

A Better way of being Technical. :-}

Besides I love to Hack My System and Anything else with ResEdiit, Also Using
AppleScript and I have BMUG's Zen and the Art of ResEdit and BMUG's The Tao
of AppleScript. :-}

Lots of other AppleScript books too!!

Technical is when you know how to send Apple Event codes and have a List of
them that you made by examing Scriptable Applications. :-}

<<<>>>
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but satisfaction brought it back.

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Re: Want to upgrade my Quadra's "find" command ....

[Denny Davis]

At 9:59 AM -0700 on 08/15/02, c e wittily wrote:


>Hi Everyone,
>
>I used to use "Find Pro II" a while back and enjoyed
>it; later I switched to version III and absolutely
>loved it!
>
>Over the years, I have lost floppies (moves, etc.) and
>recently I got all my 3.25" disks together and
>searched for it, but no luck ... (I know I have to get
>my sw backed up into cd's or zip drives, but I need
>some vacation time for that, now that I just bought
>another zip drive)
>
>I want to "replace" my old copy of Find Pro III, any
>suggestions? I'm open to even alternatives (don't get
>me wrong, I do like the 7.5 find command, but I'm
>currently on 7.1).
>
>Thanks in advance!!
>Craig
>
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<<<>>>
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but satisfaction brought it back.

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Re: NEC MultiSpin 3x: He's dead, Jim

[vincenzo]

Olin

>Is it completely dead, or is there another driver I can 
>download to try to get this thing to work? TIA, and peace

I have a hacked Apple CD rom extension that other members have used with 
good effect. Contact me off list and I will send it to you. It is 96k.



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Re: Just got a Quadra 950

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 8/20/02 9:46:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
... Also, if anyone has any extra side latches (the one that holds the large 
side cover on) one of mine is missing ...
>>

Cover latches and drive trays are perhaps the most elusive of Q950 parts.

Oh, the "unobtanium" five-drive-shelf, too.

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Just got a Quadra 950

[Robert Newman]

Greetings:

I just got a Quadra 950 from my local Goodwill store.  It had obviously been
sitting on the floor (too big for anyplace else) and had a lot of floorwax
build-up around it's base.  Had only 8 1meg sticks of ram, and one harddrive
(unplugged) a 1.9 mb Quantum Fireball.  When I turn it on it gave me the
happy Mac, and then played a series of chimes.  I finally found that If I
unplugged the HD, and booted from a floppy, it worked fine.  My question is
where can I find a service manual for this monster.  I stuck an 80mb drive
in it and plugged it into position A on the SCSI cable, and it now boots
from the HD.  I would, however, like to use the 1.9 mb, as 80 just isn't
very big.  Also, if anyone has any extra side latches (the one that holds
the large side cover on) one of mine is missing.  Also looking for some Ram
for it.  Any help greatly appreciated.  I have been looking for one of these
for a long time, and now I want to make it as nice as possible.

Thanks,
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Re: 660 AV keyboard

[Mark Benson]

>O.K.  I'm embarrassed.  I found where the mouse connects to the keyboard.
>I've never seen one of these before.  I didn't know where they hid the ADB
>port for the mouse.  At this point, I don't even need that Macally Port
>Xpander.  That was probably used to connect peripherals.  Everything works
>just fine.

I only knew 'cause I helped a friend set up a PowerMac G3 MT 300 
once, which had that keyboard included with it.

I expect the Port Xpander was used to connect multiple Serial 
printers to the machine.

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660 AV keyboard

[Terry & Claire Hart]

O.K.  I'm embarrassed.  I found where the mouse connects to the keyboard.
I've never seen one of these before.  I didn't know where they hid the ADB
port for the mouse.  At this point, I don't even need that Macally Port
Xpander.  That was probably used to connect peripherals.  Everything works
just fine.

Thanks,
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Performa 637CD

[Terry & Claire Hart]

Hello.  Thanks to everyone for the advice on the 660AV.  I just read the
posts this morning.  We will find a PRAM battery and go from there.

Now we have a Performa 637CD to get working.  It came with a
standard-looking extended ADB keyboard except that it has a permanent cable
leaving the keyboard at the middle back (above the F9 key) rather than a
removeable cable that attaches from either the left or right.  The
non-painted Apple logo is centered above the F9 key.  There's one port in
the back that either the keyboard or the mouse attaches to.

Next, there's a 6ish-foot cable, with 8 pins and the Apple logo on each end.

Then there's a Macally Port Xpander that's interesting.  First, there are
three ports that the above-mentioned cable will plug into.  However, it
actually would accomodate 9 pins.  The symbol above these ports is an up
arrow.  The cable extending out is about 3 ft, and splits into two male
ends.  One is the same 8 pins, with the arrow logo.  This fits the modem &
printer ports.  The other is the 4-pin ADB, BUT it is sort of a reverse-Y,
where you can plug another ADB into its backside.

With this hardware, I can't come up with the right combination to make the
keyboard and mouse work.  Incidentally, the keyboard & mouse from another
computer do work.

Thanks for your time,
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netscape is slow, but ...

[c e]

 ... didn't I recall a while back where a few listers
shared about a cache fix?

Pickle, iirc, weren't you open to getting the info
from someone or somewhere (I could review my older
emails to see who or where)seeing if it did work, and
if so, posting the links or even the actual 'how to'
on the faq?

I've been absent from the list for some time, so I may
have missed the final results or lack thereof, but I
checked the faq to be sure and didn't see anything
listed in the browser section.

I remember the fix made netscape go from loading in
14-21 seconds or so to as little as 2-4 seconds!

If anyone has done it actively on the list, please
share your findings! I'm not a big resedit guy (I've
changed my moss, and redrawn or replaced a few system
icons) but I'd love to use a 'souped-up' netscape any
day!  :o)

Thanks all,
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Re: Confusion!

[mriscott]

Links may be more feature-rich, but I wouldn't say it was better.

In my experience, lynx will render anything - it may not render it as you
want, and obviously it doesn't frames, etc. BUT it keeps going. I have found
links to be pretty good at crashing if you point it at a complicated page.

> Lynx is ok, but there is a better text mode browser, it's called Links and=
>  it renders sites correctly unlike
> lynx, and has frames support, very fast even on old hardware! who wants gfx=
>  anyway. Dunno if anyone's 
> done a mac port though, but you could always use debian i guess!!!
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Re: Internet access via serial port?

[Artur Yelchishchev]

David Pierce wrote:

> Modems are kind of expensive, except for slow ones.

I already have them, so this isn't a problem for me.

> I'd avoid serial port networking, in any case.

Me too, if I'll be able to! ;-)
 
> My suggestion is to try a little harder. eBay always has lots of the things
> you're looking for 

Thanks - maybe I'll try that.
 
> The wisdom of putting a Performa 400 on the internet is dubious -
> essentially, it's a re-badged LC II, which is very, very, very slooow.

Yes, I know.

> The
> Quadra 950 will rock though. To recap a recent discussion, recommended
> browsers for the 950 are iCab (stable, moderm features) Netscape 2.0.2
> (anything newer crashes, anything older lacks too many features) Internet
> Explorer 2.1 (my personal favorite.) and any text-based browser: Linx,
> Links, WannaBe, and others.

Thanks. I've just D/L'ed iCab.
 
> Either machine will work splendidly for email.

This is my primary need, BTW.

> I use Eudora Light 3.1.3 for
> everything. Talk about a blast from the past! 4.2.2 works on 68k machines
> as well, as does Outlook Expres 4.0.

The additional problem for me is, that I need 'multilanguage-capable'
mailer. So far, the best thing I've found is "Musashi", but it isn't
perfect either...

> I'd avoid Outlook on the Performa 400.

Being long-time "PC person", I'd avoid Outlook completely, on any
platform! :-)
 
> Actually, I'd avoid the Performa 400 completely, but that's because I have
> one, and I know how slow they are.

You know, it's my very first Mac - so I'll never discard it! :-) For
answering letters, it's relatively good - also, it's very silent machine
(good for home use).

> Once, I did an install of System 7.6.1
> on the LC II, and it took FOUR HOURS. 

Hmm... Sounds strange - I've installed 7.6.1 on P-400 (10Mb RAM) for
about 30 minutes. The source was copied from CD-ROM to the another hard
disk before installation, and whole process was relatively fast...

WBR,
Artur


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Re: Internet access via serial port?

[Artur Yelchishchev]

R.A. Cantrell wrote:

> > Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find required Mac hardware here
> where is here?

Estonia (Eastern Europe).

WBR,
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Re: Internet access via serial port?

[Artur Yelchishchev]

Ronald Bos wrote:

> Hi Arthur,

Hi Ronald,

> I did this some months ago

Wonderful! The Quadlist is great thing! :-)

> with a Centris 610 and it worked perfectly but slow.

Yes, I understand, but anyway it's better than dial-up access -
especially if I already have permanent connection.

> I used a cross-over serial cable, see
> http://www.edprint.demon.co.uk/se/serial.html for wiring.

Many thanks for your reply! I'll do it.

> And indeed the Windows 98 PPP server.

>From the same DUN v1.4 package?

> Furthermore, I used WinProxy on the Windows 98 machine. 

BTW, why WinProxy? Win98SE includes very good Internet Connection
Sharing functionality - no additional third-party software is required.
This is what I use myself - ICS together with ZoneAlarm firewall.

> Browsing the internet, I gained speeds of some 4 kB/sec. however, the Mac
> was quite unresponsive, I guess the serial port took up a significant amount
> of computing resources.

Probably. But for me, it's quite enough - my primary needs are Email &
Usenet.

> Hope this helps!

Sure! Thanks again!

Best wishes,
Artur

P.S. May I contact you offlist in case of troubles repeating your method
of connection?


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NEC MultiSpin 3x: He's dead, Jim

[Olin Jenkins]

Greetings, Quadlisters:

I'm still setting up my Performa 476 to give away and tried to add this to it:

NEC MultiSpin 3x CD-ROM Reader, but I suspect it's dead.

Here's what happens: I'm running OS 8.1 and have tried both drivers 
(the latest 5.31 driver, and even backtracked to the 5.0A driver 
originally supplied with the reader). Upon startup, I see the SCSI 
chain recognizes the drive (all the display controls flash for a 
quick second). However, I cannot get the driver to recognize the 
drive at all.

Is it completely dead, or is there another driver I can download to 
try to get this thing to work? TIA, and peace

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Re: Internet access via serial port?

[David Pierce]

>on 8/20/02 9:15 AM, Artur Yelchishchev at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find required Mac hardware here
>where is here?

Looks like somewhere in scandinavia.



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Re: Internet access via serial port?

[David Pierce]

>Hello all,
>
>I have two Macs - Quadra-950 and Performa-400. My desire is, to hook
>both of them to my LAN (ADSL connection, shared between other machines
>using Win98SE PC) for Internet access.
>
>Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find required Mac hardware here
>- for Quadra, I haven't AAUI adaptor, and Performa doesn't have NIC at
>all. My attempts to obtain MuBus or LC-PDS cards weren't successful, so
>I'm thinking about using serial ports for that purpose.
>
>Is there a way to use some kind of serial connection between PC and Mac
>- PPP, SLIP or the like? My Win98 machine has Microsoft's Dial-Up
>Networking upgrade v1.4 installed, which allows it to act as 'server'
>for incoming phone calls, but I don't know whether it's useable for the
>Macs or not...
>
>The best way, I believe, is to use cross-over serial cable, but even
>pair of 'real' modems (chained via phone line emulator) will be
>acceptable.
>
>Maybe, someone here has some experience (or ideas) concerning similar
>tricks?
>
>Sincerely,
>Artur

SLIP might work. Modems are kind of expensive, except for slow ones. I'd
avoid serial port networking, in any case.

My suggestion is to try a little harder. eBay always has lots of the things
you're looking for - an AAUI Tranciever and an LC-PDS Ethernet card. Olde
Mac Milt rocks.

This is an LC PDS Card
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2046896497
This is an AAUI Tranciever
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2047355666

That particular seller is very reliable, and the Buy It Now turns hectic
auctions into a piece of cake.

The wisdom of putting a Performa 400 on the internet is dubious -
essentially, it's a re-badged LC II, which is very, very, very slooow. The
Quadra 950 will rock though. To recap a recent discussion, recommended
browsers for the 950 are iCab (stable, moderm features) Netscape 2.0.2
(anything newer crashes, anything older lacks too many features) Internet
Explorer 2.1 (my personal favorite.) and any text-based browser: Linx,
Links, WannaBe, and others.

Either machine will work splendidly for email. I use Eudora Light 3.1.3 for
everything. Talk about a blast from the past! 4.2.2 works on 68k machines
as well, as does Outlook Expres 4.0. I'd avoid Outlook on the Performa 400.

Actually, I'd avoid the Performa 400 completely, but that's because I have
one, and I know how slow they are. Once, I did an install of System 7.6.1
on the LC II, and it took FOUR HOURS. Installing OS 9 on the G3 at work,
for comparison, took 12 minutes!

-dpierce



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Re: 660AV

[Michael Emery]

Claire Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Having the capability to connect that 660 AV to our TV 
would really be nice for our journalism class.

I have two 660s that I alternately hookup to my home entertainment 
system. One of these is setup to do just audio (with Digitrax), and the 
other is setup to do video (with a SPRO and an 18GB hard drive). And my 
spouse is pre-internet; right nowshe has a 660 on her desk for computing 
with. 

They are quite useful to me. With the one, I edit together a weekly 
"preaching the Gospel" show -- by the late Bro. Bill Jones, not me -- 
that travels to a radio station in Africa and another station in Panama. 
And with the other, I hope to someday put together an edit of my niece's 
wedding video that I shot.

There's some hunt left in them old dogs! I give yours the three-finger 
salute!
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Re: Project 476: Suggestions?

[David Pierce]

>Do not, I repeat, DO NOT install for her Macigame:
>   
>
>or MozPong:
>   
>
>
>That goes for the rest of you on this list too.  You have been warned.

MozPong is freakin' awesome. I love that game, very addictive.
I haven't tried MaciGame... hmmm...

Escape Velocity works pretty well on 25 MHz 68040s. Works better on a 33
Mhz machine, though. EV: Override works pretty well too. Ares used to work
on 68040s... don't know if it still does. Maelstrom is great, and if you
can't find HemiRoids anywhere, email me offlist.



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Re: Confusion!

[David Pierce]

>>where the confusion comes in for, in his reply Jag wrote, "FWIW, I
>wouldn't
>>recommend surfing on a 68k Mac to my worst enemy- it's simply a waste of
>>time."  

Try downloading the beta of Internet Explorer 2.1 from
http://www.Pure-Mac.com/webb.html
I like it - use it on 68k macs and even on slow PPCs. It's nice, supports a
few modern features, inroes what it doesn't understand, and easily renders
twice as fast as Netscape.



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Re: Internet access via serial port?

[Ronald Bos]

Hi Arthur,

I did this some months ago with a Centris 610 and it worked perfectly but
slow.
I used a cross-over serial cable, see
http://www.edprint.demon.co.uk/se/serial.html for wiring. And indeed the
Windows 98 PPP server. Furthermore, I used WinProxy on the Windows 98
machine. The windows machine was connected to the internet via a gateway.

Browsing the internet, I gained speeds of some 4 kB/sec. however, the Mac
was quite unresponsive, I guess the serial port took up a significant amount
of computing resources.

Hope this helps!

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Re: Internet access via serial port?

[R.A. Cantrell]

on 8/20/02 9:15 AM, Artur Yelchishchev at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find required Mac hardware here
where is here?


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Internet access via serial port?

[Artur Yelchishchev]

Hello all,

I have two Macs - Quadra-950 and Performa-400. My desire is, to hook
both of them to my LAN (ADSL connection, shared between other machines
using Win98SE PC) for Internet access. 

Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find required Mac hardware here
- for Quadra, I haven't AAUI adaptor, and Performa doesn't have NIC at
all. My attempts to obtain MuBus or LC-PDS cards weren't successful, so
I'm thinking about using serial ports for that purpose.

Is there a way to use some kind of serial connection between PC and Mac
- PPP, SLIP or the like? My Win98 machine has Microsoft's Dial-Up
Networking upgrade v1.4 installed, which allows it to act as 'server'
for incoming phone calls, but I don't know whether it's useable for the
Macs or not...

The best way, I believe, is to use cross-over serial cable, but even
pair of 'real' modems (chained via phone line emulator) will be
acceptable.

Maybe, someone here has some experience (or ideas) concerning similar
tricks?

Sincerely,
Artur


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Re: I've been here for a while and am now particapating

[Ryan]

H. OK, Since I did post this and all, I'd like this post to close this
discussion. As in please do not reply any more.  Thank you for all your
input :-)
- Original Message -
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To: "Quadlist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: I've been here for a while and am now particapating


>
> On Sunday, August 18, 2002, at 04:11 PM, Ryan wrote:
>
> > Jeez, I never knew one post could lead to something so off topic that
> > even I
> > don't understand it.
> >
> hahaha
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Re: Project 476: Suggestions?

[Galen Tatsuo Komatsu]

 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:36:05 -0400
 From: Olin Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Greetings, Quadlisters:
> My time at the Quadlist is growing short, since I'm about to donate
> my Performa 476 to a long-time friend in Charlotte, NC. This will be
> her first computer, and I want her to find it as pleasurable as
> possible.

> It's on OS 8.1, 68MB memory, full FPU (25mhz, never clock-chipped),
> Performa Display, GV Teleport 33.6 modem, LaserWriter 300, Apple 2x
> CD-ROM reader, extended keyboard, teardrop mouse, microphone.

...and how about a Blueberry ADB Mouse II instead?


Some filing and soldering required. =^)  Anyway...


> My question for this "project" which I'll compile and send back to
> the Quadlist before I unsubscribe is this: what have I forgotten?

Do not, I repeat, DO NOT install for her Macigame:


or MozPong:



That goes for the rest of you on this list too.  You have been warned.





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Re: Re. CD Drive acting oddly - PART 2.

[Kyle Kinsey]

>I had a look on my quadra 800 under linux, and found:
>
>/dev/cdrom -> /dev/sr0
>/dev/sr0 -> /dev/scd0
>
>So I guess my spouting earlier about /dev/sdx was castrated he-cows.
>
>Do you have any /dev/scd*?
>
>If not, maybe your cd hasn't been recognized???
>
>It might also be worth trying booting off a ramdisk and seeing if you can
>find
>the cdrom there? Or possibly trying a reinstall (last ditch idea).

That sounds like what I expect to see! Only thing is only sr2 & sr3 exist which is 
very odd
(and scd2 & scd3) where as even in penguin the scsi info says my cd should be sr0.

Though I think there may be some cd-rom problem as the drive has started to not work 
under
MAC OS most of the time.

I'll see if I can dig out a spare drive and see if that works better.


Kyle.



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Re: Confusion!

[Kyle Kinsey]

>P.S. Another web browser that is pretty cool in Lynx.  Its text only like
>Wannabe, but has more features and render modes.  There is a 68k version
>that some French guy had up for a while, but I've lost track of where you
>can get it now.  Its main problem is that its a port of a UNIX program.
>Meaning its about as un-Mac-like as a Macintosh program can get.  Still,
>it might make for a good compromise between the bare-bones Wannabe browser
>and a more featured browser like ICab or Netscape.
>
>P.P.S.  To locate some of this software try
>http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/browsers.html  Mr. Gamba has just about
>the neatest site for locating old browser type stuff.  Check out his main
>pages too: http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/

Bah, another of my pet hates, P.S.'s in e-mail, hello it's a text editor you know, you 
can go back
and change things, there is no need to PS ;-)

Anyway.

Lynx is ok, but there is a better text mode browser, it's called Links and it renders 
sites correctly unlike
lynx, and has frames support, very fast even on old hardware! who wants gfx anyway. 
Dunno if anyone's
done a mac port though, but you could always use debian i guess!!!


Kyle.


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Re: Confusion!

[mriscott]

Message-Id: 
> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:21:26 +0100
> From: Mark Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Confusion!
> 
> >Eh, I've used my 68ks for browsing, and it's not a waste of time. It does
> >require patience, but it's far from a waste of time. It's quite tolerable
> >on my my 640CD and Quadra 840AV.
> 
> Using iCab it's positively gratifying, I have browsed Apple's own 
> website using iCab on a 50Mhz accelerated SE/30 before now and, even 
> if it is in Black and White, it has a definite cool factor :).
> 
> I can say that with iCab and a 68040 powered Quadra or LC Mac it's a 
> very useful thing. I don't personally browse on 68ks as I have a 
> PowerMac 7500 (w/ 604e/200) and an iBook 300Mhz going 24/7 but I know 
> it can be done. Just avoid Netscape.

I happily browse on my quadra 800 - I use maclynx if I want text only
browsing (fast, but no pics, javascript,etc) and Netscape 3 if I want more.

I find Netscape 3 works for most of the sites I want to visit, and is
acceptably fast - even with my 33k modem.

Ian


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Re: Confusion!

[doctor]

>where the confusion comes in for, in his reply Jag wrote, "FWIW, I
wouldn't
>recommend surfing on a 68k Mac to my worst enemy- it's simply a waste of
>time."  

Having to use a 630 on my desk at work, I can tell you that the state of
browsers for Mac 68k is disgraceful.  There's no really good reason why
these browsers should be SO slow.  I have used a web browser on a 486
called Arachne running under DOS, and its twice to three times the speed
of anything on the a Macintosh which doesn't have a PPC chip.  And that
browser does support graphics, tables, etc. etc.

That being said, it is possible to browse the web on a Mac 68k machine (I
do it every day).  Here are some suggestions:

If you don't need secure connections, and are connecting to sites which
aren't graphic intensive use Netscape 2.02 with defrost.  Its faster than
any other browser.  But, like all Netscape browsers if you hit a modern
site with CSS or intense formatting, the browser chokes hard on the stuff
it doesn't understand.  Netscape 2.02 will just crash.  Under Netscape
4.08 (the last browser that works on a 68k Mac) it can mean many minute
waits.  It doens't crash the browser, but it will cause it to enter into
looping error modes that take forever to recorver from.  Meaning you're
sitting around with the machine seemingly locked up until it finally
grinds out the render (sometimes even the clock stops).

In a similar vein you can also use Cyberdog 2.0.  Its actually a nice
little browser, and doesn't seem to choke like Netscape.  Its funky
though in how it renders pages.

If you do want modern support, ICab is your only choice.  It supports
everything, and renders very beautifuly.  It also doesn't temporarily halt
at stuff it finds confusing (like Netscape).  That being said, don't
expect a speed demon.  I've seen starfish move faster than this browser
does on complex sites.

But say you don't need much in the way of graphics, and stuff, and just
want to get to the meat of the subject.  My favorite browsing tool of all
is a browser called Wannabe.  It doesn't do anything but display the text
of the web page, but it does make for a very pleasing experience to have
your pages display in a timely fashion.

Now there are also some tricks to speeding up these browsers.  The most
popular being to store your browser cache in a RAM disk.  It can
significantly speed up your experience.  It made ICab fairly tolerable
on my machine.  But, I have personally found that it tends to make for
more crashes.  Now, I might be doing it wrong or something, but I found that I
couldn't live with the instability that this particular trick gave.

A nice trick about ICab is that you can just about turn off every feature of
ICab individually.  I found that once you have almost everything turned
off (including graphics) that it made this web browser rather spry.  That
being said, I figured if I didn't want any graphics I might as well stick to
Wannabe anyway since Wannabe still wins in speed because it doesn't format the
text.

I hope this helps out.  I'm sure I'll get some disagreement on my
opinions, but they are what they are.  Having to use a 68040 based machine
every day, I just wanted to let you know that browsing and a significant
amount of work can be done.  That being said, don't expect it to be like
browsing on other machines.  The Macintosh browser scene seems peculiar in
its lack of quality support for 68k machines.

David

P.S. Another web browser that is pretty cool in Lynx.  Its text only like
Wannabe, but has more features and render modes.  There is a 68k version
that some French guy had up for a while, but I've lost track of where you
can get it now.  Its main problem is that its a port of a UNIX program.
Meaning its about as un-Mac-like as a Macintosh program can get.  Still,
it might make for a good compromise between the bare-bones Wannabe browser
and a more featured browser like ICab or Netscape.

P.P.S.  To locate some of this software try
http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/browsers.html  Mr. Gamba has just about
the neatest site for locating old browser type stuff.  Check out his main
pages too: http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/




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Re. CD Drive acting oddly - PART 2.

[mriscott]

I had a look on my quadra 800 under linux, and found:

/dev/cdrom -> /dev/sr0
/dev/sr0 -> /dev/scd0

So I guess my spouting earlier about /dev/sdx was castrated he-cows.

Do you have any /dev/scd*?

If not, maybe your cd hasn't been recognized???

It might also be worth trying booting off a ramdisk and seeing if you can find
the cdrom there? Or possibly trying a reinstall (last ditch idea).

Hope you get it sorted,

Ian

> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:24:29 +0100
> From: "Kyle Kinsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> >Just a few ideas:
> >
> >
> >1) What flavour of CD is it?  
> >
> >You may find that if it is a Mac CD, linux won't like it - try a
> >standard format (eg. the debian install CD, if you have one).  Yes - I
> >realise that is probably what you are using but it is worth a try.
> 
> It was the debian Cd which read fine under mac os (pc extensions i guess)
> 
> >2) How are you trying to mount it?
> >
> >I'd expect you to need a command like
> >
> >mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
> 
> just from the basic console got to with #(or however your meant to say the=
>  apple key!)-F2
> and "mount /dev/cdrom /instmnt" /instmnt being the installmount point used=
>  by the installer
> 
> >(run as root)
> 
> You don;t get a choice during the install, this is a fresh install! and=
>  install
> runs as root as far as i can tell (it'd have to wouldnt it?)
> 
> >- where /dev/cdrom is your cdrom device, and /mnt/cdrom is a directory
> >which currently exists where you want to mount it.
> >
> >From your post, it sounds like /dev/sr0 is your device, but that
> >doesn't  sound like what I would expect linux to call it. 
> 
> Me neither, though thats what it says for doing a dmesg|more
> 
> I'd expect
> >/dev/sdx (x being the scsi id of your CD drive).  It may be that
> >debian found it on install and linked it to /dev/cdrom - that's worth
> >a try.
> 
> tried /dev/cdrom, no dice! /dev/sr4 and /dev/sr5 exist but don;t do=
>  anything
> (as shown with ls /dev/sr*)
> and idea which /dev/sdx it might be?
> does linux refer to the scsi devices in order startiong with the lowest no?
> the hd is sda, being scsi id3.
> the cdrom is scsi id 5, which is the next (an only other device bar the=
>  computer itself)
> should be sdb, but neither /sdb or /sdb1 will mount giving a "no such=
>  device or address"
> 
> >If you can't do this, what errors do you get?
> 
> failed: no such file or directory
> (for /dev/cdrom)
> 
> >
> >3) Otherwise, you might need a driver for your CD drive.  Try googling
> >around to see if anyone has written one.
> >
> >If the worst comes to the worst, you could do it by booting into
> >MacOS, copying the relevant files on your HD and then booting to
> >linux. A bit of a kludge - but it should work.
> 
> the drive works fine using debian 2.2 it's just a problem i'm having with=
>  3.0
> guess progress isn't always good ;-)
> 
> can;t really copy the entire install onto the drive as i've only got a 1gb=
>  drive in ;-)
> still i may copy just the kernal and device install bit, maybe after that=
>  it may mount the hd!!!
> worked fine in deb 2.2 though right from the start.
> 
> speaking of odd things, under debian 2.2 i never got x to work (old install=
>  on a 250mb hd)
> still got the cdebian 2.2hd and put it in my other quadra and now x works=
>  (exact same machine
> a c650)  is this because the 2nd machine has only the onboard vram whereas=
>  this machine
> has been expanded with vram simms? still the spare quadra is dodsy and the=
>  gfx pallette keep
> getting messed up and changing the colours on screen, very odd, only does=
>  it under mac os though
> not under linux/x.
> 
> 
> any other ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Kyle.
> 
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