Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
I picked up a UE Radio for my youngest daughter whilst in the States last week on business. It upgraded to the latest UE firmware as soon as I switched it on. I then chose the option to upgrade it to a SB Radio which it then completed without issue. The new radio shows a different (more recent) firmware version than that of my original radio and both say that they are upto date. Does the UE Radio converted to SB have to run on a slightly different firmware version? 2 x Duet, Radio, Touch Receiver with iPeng SqueezePlayer served by HP N36 running FreeNAS/SlimNAS/LMS 7.8 HeadBanger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38024 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
The new radio shows a different (more recent) firmware version than that of my original radio and both say that they are upto date. Does the UE Radio converted to SB have to run on a slightly different firmware version? Yes. Newer UESRs come with some minor hardware changes which require the updated firmware. But there's not functional change in there. -- Michael ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
I' m having issues with deezer and spotify, now i've discovered that when i turn off my smart radio downgraded to squeezebox problems go away, what's the problem? Incomoatibility? Or a local network issue? It has worked until yesterday Touchx3,Boomx2,1 radio, 1 classic!Squeezebox Server 7.7.2 (Qnap ts-119) nervoteso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30262 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Nothing like that with any of mine. Squeezebox Plus, Naim nDAC, NAC202, NAP200, Focal Cobalt 816. Boom SB Radio 2 x UE Radio running as SB aspendl828's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20497 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Couleur ist be the power supply? They are a bit notorious here --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and *New: Logitech UE Smart Radio* as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
michaeldx wrote: so I figured I'd ask here first to see if everybody has experienced this hissing sound and that I'm not the only one. *No hiss here. * ciarmer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37631 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Hi, I just received my new squeezebox radio and the upgrade (downgrade) from UE to Squeezebox went smoothly. *However* I noticed an* immediate hissing sound* on the radio that it wasn't there before I performed the downgrade. Also sometimes when I push the back button, the hissing sound becomes a high pitch whisper, but it stops if I move the menu knob or if I push a button again. Has anybody noticed this on their new radio? I understand this is not a HiFi radio but I'd expect better for the money. I'm about to send it back, despite loving its nice features, so I figured I'd ask here first to see if everybody has experienced this hissing sound and I'm not the only one. Thanks michaeldx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
So you can, out of the box, buy a UE Radio and have it automatically downgrade (upgrade) to a squeezebox? I'm now in the market for a UE Radio. FickleLife's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
FickleLife wrote: So you can, out of the box, buy a UE Radio and have it automatically downgrade (upgrade) to a squeezebox? Correct toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Bought a new UE to convert, but the official conversion process doesn't work -- just reboots as a UE. 45 minutes on-line with Logitech support yielded nada. Did you do the reboot right after you told it to convert? Did you receive a UE firmware update before you run this migration? -- Michael ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Your not the only one with this problem. I am also having this problem. To those that ask, yes the radio does have the latest UE firmware. What exact revision? -- Michael ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
I recently got approval (from the wife) to get another SB Radio for the kitchen - as long as it wasn't red! The only Black one available was a UE version from Amazon. I ordered it on the basis that I would be able to officially convert to SB firmware and be supported by Logitech. Amazon shows the packag as having left the depot en route to my house! I am pretty tech savvy in that I have never had any issues with my existing Boom, Radio and SB+. Everything has pretty much always 'just worked'. I'm a bit concerned by the number of posts relating to problems with the switching from UE to SB. As I understand it the process would be; Switch on the radio (probably need to create a UE account at this point to enable the next point?) Ensure the radio updates firmware - or at least has the chance to? Find the option to switch to SB. Where is it? Switch to SB. Is that pretty much it? I am running LMS 7.7.3 if that is a possible issue. Cheers Andrew Squeezebox Plus, Naim nDAC, NAC202, NAP200, Focal Cobalt 816. Boom Radio aspendl828's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20497 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
For what it's worth... The UE Radio was waiting for me when I got home. Plugged it in and connected to Wi-Fi. Automatically updated firmware without prompting. Selected the Switch to Squeezebox option. Updated firmware and restarted. Had to connect to Wi-Fi again and enter my mysqueezebox.com credentials - just like my existing SB Radio. All now working as I hoped. All in all took about 20 minutes - most of that was finding my password! Sympathies to those who didn't have as smooth an upgrade as me. Cheers Andrew Squeezebox Plus, Naim nDAC, NAC202, NAP200, Focal Cobalt 816. Boom Radio aspendl828's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20497 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
geoffreymbrown wrote: Bought a new UE to convert, but the official conversion process doesn't work -- just reboots as a UE. 45 minutes on-line with Logitech support yielded nada. Your not the only one with this problem. I am also having this problem. To those that ask, yes the radio does have the latest UE firmware. Per tech support, there are others that as having the same problem. Paul P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
bklaas wrote: This is a pretty stunning announcement, in that Logitech not only did something to appease the angry masses by allowing them to upgrade (my term) a UE Radio to Squeezebox software, but they are putting their necks out by implicitly saying that UE Smart Radio might have been...a bit of a miss*. That's about as un-Logitech as Logitech gets. cheers, #!/ben * obviously the announcement can be spun a number of ways, but that's how I choose to read it :) Bought a new UE to convert, but the official conversion process doesn't work -- just reboots as a UE. 45 minutes on-line with Logitech support yielded nada. geoffreymbrown's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
geoffreymbrown wrote: Bought a new UE to convert, but the official conversion process doesn't work -- just reboots as a UE. 45 minutes on-line with Logitech support yielded nada. Have you installed the latest UE firmware before trying the conversion? Touch + Cambridge Audio 651R DAC Magic + Q Acoustics 1050i / Touch + Onkyo TX-SR309 + Morel Applause MKII / SB2, SB3, and Duet (not used) / Boom / 5 Radios (2 red, 1 black 2 whites) / Ipeng SqueezePad / Windows 7 + LMS 7.7.3 - 1375965195 on ASRock ION 330 didjean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
It's great and sad at the same time. For me, it shows that Logitech won't probably do any development on both platforms anymore. Better to give the possibility to UE users to have a back up plan if UE SR ends. The Squeezebox community is far stronger... Slim SB3 + Cambridge Audio 651R + Cambridge Audio DAC Magic + Q Acoustics 1050i / Touch + Onkyo TX-SR309 + Morel Applause MKII / SB2 and Duet (not used) / Boom / 4 Radio (red, black 2 whites) / Ipeng SqueezePad / Logitech Harmony 900 / Windows 7 + LMS 7.7.2 - r33893 on ASRock ION 330 didjean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Ah. Not the same thing, though (not immediately visible to others) and also not available in Tapatalk :) --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and *New: Logitech UE Smart Radio* as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/MySqueezebox-com-Squeezebox/An-update-to-the-Logitech-UE-Smart-Radio/td-p/1051331 Free your music! Michael http://www.herger.net/slim-plugins - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR, Smart Mix mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
mherger wrote: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/MySqueezebox-com-Squeezebox/An-update-to-the-Logitech-UE-Smart-Radio/td-p/1051331 Free your music! Okay... So, how exactly does that help existing SBR owners that already run Squeezebox? That's the server app everyone is worried about going down. Getting US Smart Radio owners to switch to Squeezebox won't help one bit if/when that happens. buffettck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
mherger wrote: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/MySqueezebox-com-Squeezebox/An-update-to-the-Logitech-UE-Smart-Radio/td-p/1051331 Free your music! This is a pretty stunning announcement, in that Logitech not only did something to appease the angry masses of by allowing them to upgrade (my term) a UE Radio to Squeezebox software, but they are putting their necks out by implicitly saying that UE Smart Radio might have been...a bit of a miss*. That's about as un-Logitech as Logitech gets. cheers, #!/ben * obviously the announcement can be spun a number of ways, but that's how I choose to read it :) Former Logitech Developer: Squeezeplay/SqueezeOS/SqueezeboxController/SqueezeCenter Community Developer: Nokia770Skin (r.i.p.) http://www.last.fm/user/bklaas/ 'KHAAAN!' (http://khaaan.com/)...'BUNNIES!' (http://home.pacbell.net/bettychu/2003allbreedbisris/BIS.html) bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
buffettck wrote: Okay... So, how exactly does that help existing SBR owners that already run Squeezebox? That's the server app everyone is worried about going down. Getting US Smart Radio owners to switch to Squeezebox won't help one bit if/when that happens. For one it means you can buy a product that isn't EOLed that supports Squeezebox. For another it means that Logitech is allowing even more users to switch to a service, mysb.com that this forum has been gnashing teeth over for quite some time. That's seemingly some kind of acknowledgment that a) they over-stepped by severing ties to squeezebox, and b) mysb.com is going to continue to be around for a bit longer. Honestly, hearing Logitech say even a hint of whoops on this whole debacle is the most unexpected thing I've heard in a while. Michael, the announcement reads at least slightly confusing. Does Switch to Squeezebox mean Download and Install Squeezebox firmware or Connect my UE Radio to mysqueezebox.com? cheers, #!/ben Former Logitech Developer: Squeezeplay/SqueezeOS/SqueezeboxController/SqueezeCenter Community Developer: Nokia770Skin (r.i.p.) http://www.last.fm/user/bklaas/ 'KHAAAN!' (http://khaaan.com/)...'BUNNIES!' (http://home.pacbell.net/bettychu/2003allbreedbisris/BIS.html) bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Where's that like button when you need it:) For me, the most stunning thing about this, though, is the fact that they keep around BOTH options! --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and *New: Logitech UE Smart Radio* as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Huh, this is a real interesting development. If any new UE hardware is released, it will be interesting to see if this carries through. Maybe a Boom II modeled after the radio that would work with squeezebox server? Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch, SqueezeCommander, OrangeSqueeze, and SqueezePlayer on Xoom and Galaxy Player 4.2. CentOS 6.3 Server running LogitechMediaServer 7.7.2 and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 40,810 songs, 3,153 albums, 582 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Michael, the announcement reads at least slightly confusing. Does Switch to Squeezebox mean Download and Install Squeezebox firmware or Connect my UE Radio to mysqueezebox.com? It reads Install SB firmware. It will forget it's ever been a smart radio. Only the logo on the device will remind you of what it's been through :-). FWIW: the firmware comes with a much higher revision number than the latest regular SB firmware. But that's mostly due to the switch from subversion to git. The 7.7.3/r16667 firmware installed in this process is almost identical with the 7.7.2/r9663. It only includes additional code to support the latest hardware revision, and a few lines to make the upgrade magic happen. No other bug fixes. -- Michael ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Now bring back the Touch and we'll all forget this ever happened. I promise I won't mock you, Logitech. Just do it. RichieB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11310 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
dream on... --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and *New: Logitech UE Smart Radio* as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them. ~ Walt Disney (Just in case I stocked up 3 Radio's and 2 Touches, so I'm all set for a while.) RichieB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11310 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
buffettck wrote: I emailed Logitech about this very thing a while back and they actually responded. They said they had no plans to end mysqueezebox. But, that also might mean jack sheeyat if there were an implied at this time which, obviously, went unwritten in their email reply...Truth is nobody cares if they end MySqueezebox - just cut loose the hardware from that entirely and let the community do it itself. Osamede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11753 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Osamede wrote: Truth is nobody cares if they end MySqueezebox. Fail. I CARE. It works and it works well. I also PAID for the use of the service, as did we ALL when we purchased the SBR. :rolleyes: buffettck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
+1 for the fail comment. Buy an iPhone or iPad and try using it without creating an Apple ID (which uses an Apple website). The same goes for Android and a Google account. Welcome to the cloud. RichieB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11310 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
RichieB wrote: +1 for the fail comment. Buy an iPhone or iPad and try using it without creating an Apple ID (which uses an Apple website). The same goes for Android and a Google account. Welcome to the cloud. Exactly. While I know it *can* be done, I shouldn't have to do it via some clunky other means of patchwork type stuff. I want to work and I want it to work SLICKLY because I paid for the experience of the entire SYSTEM and not just the box that sits on my nightstand. I like the ease of being able to search for stuff right on the unit itself. buffettck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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RichieB wrote: +1 for the fail comment. Buy an iPhone or iPad and try using it without creating an Apple ID (which uses an Apple website). The same goes for Android and a Google account. Welcome to the cloud. + another 1 on the fail comment. I am hoping that Logitech realizes they have a significant base of users out here with investments in their hardware. (That was a silly comment; I know they know how many of us are out here since we are using their site). I just hope they realize that we are, at some level, important as we are consumers of their other products (keyboards, mice, etc.). I, for one, have a significant investment in the Squeezebox line including a Radio, 3 Booms and 2 Duets (with a couple of spare receivers for the Duets). Relying upon outside solutions would mean I'd need to be concerned that the solutions not only support the Radio, but also support all of my other hardware. ciarmer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37631 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Is there any updated news about Squeezebox? The last time I checked this forum thread, I saw something about the service to be supported at least until 6-12 months; which isn't that encouraging. I, like many others have a significant investment in my Squeezebox home network with several SB clients; and, don't plan on replacing anything anytime soon. mkanet's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7965 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
mkanet wrote: Is there any updated news about Squeezebox? The last time I checked this forum thread, I saw something about the service to be supported at least until 6-12 months; which isn't that encouraging. I, like many others have a significant investment in my Squeezebox home network with several SB clients; and, don't plan on replacing anything anytime soon. not really anything new. SB discontinued, no one knows how long mysb.com will last. Stuff otherwise can work forever (LMS with own music and internet radio; things like Pandora, MOG, may not work). But see thread on ickStream for work being done to perhaps replace mysb.com. There are also plenty of threads regarding replacement for SB hardware. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
bklaas wrote: For the record, I lobbied hard against mysb.com registration/sign-in during setup. My proposed user experience was to defer any mysb.com registration or sign-in until trying to access something that required it (e.g., click on My Apps, and if you don't have mysb.com configured, present that window at that time). This would have shaved about 85% out of the time required to do initial setup (or 90+% on Radio and Duet, where on-device text input was especially frustrating), reduced time-to-first-music (which I believed was THE key out-of-box-experience metric to care about), and allowed for the use case of people who either wanted nothing to do with mysb.com, or couldn't access the internet at setup time (or at all). I lost. I'd agree that would have been a good idea. Did Logitech ever consider something like the Sonos Bridge, eg a little device with SBS on to plugin to their router dave77's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=26269 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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dave77 wrote: I'd agree that would have been a good idea. Did Logitech ever consider something like the Sonos Bridge, eg a little device with SBS on to plugin to their router My understanding of the way SONOS works is that there is *not* a similar program to SbS/LMS running on a computer anywhere (or the bridge). The Sonos Bridge is just to create their special wireless network. (that is, at least one SONOS player *or* the Bridge must be connected to the router via ethernet.) garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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bklaas wrote: Amongst existing European users, simple internet radio was the single most important feature, particularly the BBC. In the U.S., by contrast, it was by far Pandora. Local music use was harder to understand, but knowing that its use was shrinking was enough to doom it to its current crippled fate. Nevertheless, the data from Europe (by sales, quite a bit more important than the U.S. for squeezebox) showed that deferring sign-in/registration during setup was a very reasonable stance to take. To be fair, with regard to the Squeezebox Radio in particular, it really lends itself more to simple radio use rather than dedicated music listening (incl. music streaming services). But I don't get why they had to ditch the Squeezebox system and go for a new setup with a reduced feature set (yet based on the Squeezebox technology but at the same time, incompatible with it). The SB Radio works great as an internet radio using a standard Squeezebox server or the online mysqueezebox.com even if you don't want to do any of the other things that are possible with the Squeezebox technology .. switching to the UE system and dropping Squeezebox just makes no sense whatsoever. slimfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29669 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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slimfast wrote: The SB Radio works great as an internet radio using a standard Squeezebox server or the online mysqueezebox.com even if you don't want to do any of the other things that are possible with the Squeezebox technology .. switching to the UE system and dropping Squeezebox just makes no sense whatsoever. They thought they were simplifying things for the end user. Not that important at this point, as I'd be shocked if UE Radio lasted more than another 12 months. It will be abandoned by Logitech as they've done with other product lines that don't fit their model of sell the hardware (like mouse and keyboard) and not have to deal with anything later on like software, cloud server, etc. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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chill wrote: If you've got a Squeezebox remote control, press AND HOLD the left arrow when the MySB login screen comes up and it takes you to the home screen, from where you can set up your LMS IP address. I believe there's also a way to do this without the remote but I can't recall for sure (swipe left?). If I recall correctly, it should be a left-to-right swipe to exit that window. The other thing you might try is doing an initial setup at home or somewhere with unrestricted wi-fi, then bring the unit into the office. You won't have to go through setup then, just change your networking in settings-advanced-networking and then go find your local library. For the record, I lobbied hard against mysb.com registration/sign-in during setup. My proposed user experience was to defer any mysb.com registration or sign-in until trying to access something that required it (e.g., click on My Apps, and if you don't have mysb.com configured, present that window at that time). This would have shaved about 85% out of the time required to do initial setup (or 90+% on Radio and Duet, where on-device text input was especially frustrating), reduced time-to-first-music (which I believed was THE key out-of-box-experience metric to care about), and allowed for the use case of people who either wanted nothing to do with mysb.com, or couldn't access the internet at setup time (or at all). I lost. Dimmer still, the user experience is even further the wrong direction with this UE Smart Radio nonsense. sigh #!/ben bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Hm, but the Smart Radio does exactly what you propose. You do NOT have to register it to play radio. Plus it gets a lot easier because you don't have to enter any registration data on the device itself. The out-of-the-box experience with the Smart Radio is not bad. What's bad is what follows then. That said, I don't fully agree. I frequently have issues with Apps for services that require initial registration and then later ask you to sign in for the account you have created because it inevitably means that at some unpleasant time (when you actually want to use the thing instead of playing around with it at setup) you have to dig up your user credentials to to the actual registration. I have even thought about re-considering my move to not require MySqueezebox.com registration in iPeng due to this. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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pippin wrote: Hm, but the Smart Radio does exactly what you propose. You do NOT have to register it to play radio. Plus it gets a lot easier because you don't have to enter any registration data on the device itself. The out-of-the-box experience with the Smart Radio is not bad. What's bad is what follows then. Ah, I see. Then I concede that they got this part correct. I think I let the will-not-play-anything-without-working-internet-connection thing, and the doesn't-work-with-squeezebox-for-no-technical-reason-other-than-we-want-to-kill-squeezebox thing, and the we-haven't-really-engineered-anything-but-just-rebranded-and-emasculated-sbradio thing has made me dismiss every other aspect of that product. pippin wrote: That said, I don't fully agree. I frequently have issues with Apps for services that require initial registration and then later ask you to sign in for the account you have created because it inevitably means that at some unpleasant time (when you actually want to use the thing instead of playing around with it at setup) you have to dig up your user credentials to to the actual registration. I have even thought about re-considering my move to not require MySqueezebox.com registration in iPeng due to this. I see your point here, but the reasons for not requiring sign-in on setup well outweigh that potential annoyance. Consider the use case of someone who doesn't have any need for anything but free internet radio and local music. Registration/sign-in is literally just a waste of time for this user. Or the use case of someone who _right now_ doesn't have any need for services, but may decide to opt in later. Or the use case of the poster on this thread, who doesn't have a network connection during setup because they are behind a restrictive firewall (or on a boat, which comes up in these forums remarkably frequently). Or the privacy minded user (I don't think this is that legitimate, but those people are out there). The middle ground would be to make registration/sign-in explicitly optional during setup. I would have preferred it to have been completely gone, but that would have been a reasonable compromise. Water under the bridge though...squeezebox is dead. long live squeezebox. cheers, #!/ben bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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bklaas wrote: Ah, I see. Then I concede that they got this part correct. I think I let the will-not-play-anything-without-working-internet-connection thing, and the doesn't-work-with-squeezebox-for-no-technical-reason-other-than-we-want-to-kill-squeezebox thing, and the we-haven't-really-engineered-anything-but-just-rebranded-and-emasculated-sbradio thing has made me dismiss every other aspect of that product. You forgot the we-screwed-up-even-stuff-that-worked-before aspect, which is probably the worst one if you look at the user comments. Who needs a working alarm? Bah, people don't listen to podcasts anymore! Everybody must have an iPhone or Android these days! You don't need to add custom radio stations! Has anybody ever used playlists? I see your point here, but the reasons for not requiring sign-in on setup well outweigh that potential annoyance. Consider the use case of someone who doesn't have any need for anything but free internet radio and local music. Registration/sign-in is literally just a waste of time for this user. Yes, I agree, for this user it's n annoyance for the sake of nothing. Maybe I'm too much coming from the other side of things: 1. The Squeezebox, even the Radio, probably doesn't cater to a lot of people who only want a simple internet radio. It's simply too expensive for that, could get the same thing at half the price if you are not after more (I believe that THIS will eventually be the main argument that will kill the Smart Radio, horrible execution aside) 2. If you are a vendor with a decent long-term strategy (which Logitech clearly isn't, right now), you HAVE TO try to get your users registered. Simply because you need those numbers to get (online service) partners interested and simply because you WANT your users to find it easy to join these services later because that's what makes you an attractive partner which in turn helps you to create an attractive product. The middle ground would be to make registration/sign-in explicitly optional during setup. I would have preferred it to have been completely gone, but that would have been a reasonable compromise. Yes, I believe that would be the way to go. Have it in the normal registration flow but allow people to just press skip. And then (very important) DON'T come back with the question later! Offer the option in an easy-to-find setup menu (opening My Services would be a good chance to explain that now you _have_ to register) but if the user has opted for skip once, the initiative now should be on him/her. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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pippin wrote: You forgot the we-screwed-up-even-stuff-that-worked-before aspect, which is probably the worst one if you look at the user comments. Who needs a working alarm? Bah, people don't listen to podcasts anymore! Everybody must have an iPhone or Android these days! You don't need to add custom radio stations! Has anybody ever used playlists? Wow, I had no idea that it was quite that bad. Heh...so many things in those sentences that set my heart rate up. I spent literally months trying to get the alarm in a hardened state. If it's been screwed up again, sheesh they should just pull the feature. A faulty alarm is MUCH worse than the feature not being there at all. Podcasts...they get probably 50% of my listening time at home on my squeezeboxes now, and that's even with the general ignorance the device has for how to deliver a podcast UI. If squeezebox had both automatic and manual bookmarking and quick 30 second rewind/ffwd and a reasonable podcast discovery/browse UI (the only service for this, mediafly, did not cut it), you could grow the user base for that technology. On-demand audio streams of stuff-that-isn't-music is pretty untapped, and the demand could be there if someone would just cultivate it. Has anybody ever used playlists...well, making a playlist on the squeezebox UI itself is brutally difficult. That's more of an argument for fixing playlists than dumping them though (I know I'm preaching to the choir here and iPeng supports them well). I use playlists about once or twice a year, almost always when I'm having a party and don't want to be bothered with selecting music during the party. The web interface is passable for that activity, the squeezebox device UI not even close to acceptable. pippin wrote: 1. The Squeezebox, even the Radio, probably doesn't cater to a lot of people who only want a simple internet radio. It's simply too expensive for that, could get the same thing at half the price if you are not after more (I believe that THIS will eventually be the main argument that will kill the Smart Radio, horrible execution aside) Amongst existing European users, simple internet radio was the single most important feature, particularly the BBC. In the U.S., by contrast, it was by far Pandora. Local music use was harder to understand, but knowing that its use was shrinking was enough to doom it to its current crippled fate. Nevertheless, the data from Europe (by sales, quite a bit more important than the U.S. for squeezebox) showed that deferring sign-in/registration during setup was a very reasonable stance to take. My opinion is that how Logitech failed (past-tense, failed) on this whole thing is that there are/were too many people with decision-making power who believe that you only win by racing to the bottom. If they'd decided years ago that Sonos not only was a legitimate competitor (which they never conceded), but also occupied the market niche they had to attack with the power of their much-ballyhooed global supply chain and sales channels, the outcome may have been different. Sonos has now grown to at least 4x larger of a company, still laser focused on their product, which has sold 1 million units and btw can now be purchased in the aisles of discount U.S. chain Target. But Logitech at its core wants to commoditize all products. I suppose it's one view of the world, but not one I want to be a part of... pippin wrote: 2. If you are a vendor with a decent long-term strategy (which Logitech clearly isn't, right now), you HAVE TO try to get your users registered. Simply because you need those numbers to get (online service) partners interested and simply because you WANT your users to find it easy to join these services later because that's what makes you an attractive partner which in turn helps you to create an attractive product. Yes, I believe that would be the way to go. Have it in the normal registration flow but allow people to just press skip. And then (very important) DON'T come back with the question later! Offer the option in an easy-to-find setup menu (opening My Services would be a good chance to explain that now you _have_ to register) but if the user has opted for skip once, the initiative now should be on him/her. Fully agree you have to try to get your users registered, just not during setup, particularly non-optionally. I would not add the mysb.com setup menu item, but instead push to that window as an interstitial when accessing any registrationRequired = true menu item when registrationComplete = false. Either way works though. No sense overthinking a feature for a product with no heartbeat :) cheers, #!/ben bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list
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bklaas wrote: Podcasts...they get probably 50% of my listening time at home on my squeezeboxes now, and that's even with the general ignorance the device has for how to deliver a podcast UI. If squeezebox had both automatic and manual bookmarking and quick 30 second rewind/ffwd and a reasonable podcast discovery/browse UI (the only service for this, mediafly, did not cut it), you could grow the user base for that technology. On-demand audio streams of stuff-that-isn't-music is pretty untapped, and the demand could be there if someone would just cultivate it. Yes, by far most of my listening is Podcasts. Love the bookmarking ideas; they're sorely needed. Personally I wouldn't care much about discovery/browse. KDF's bookmark plugin gets you part of the way there but it's not nearly as nice as it could be (automatic bookmarking is key IMO). No reason this functionality can't exist in the plugin space but without any money driving it it'll never be what it could have been. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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bklaas wrote: I spent literally months trying to get the alarm in a hardened state. If it's been screwed up again, sheesh they should just pull the feature. A faulty alarm is MUCH worse than the feature not being there at all. It's kind of weird. It really looks like they've gone back to a state BEFORE that activity: all the same issues. No snooze, only backup alarms fire reliably (that is: if you set them INSTEAD of e.g. a radio station). Some people suggested issuing an earlier, silent alarm several minutes before the real one to make it fire. With other words: it's completely useless in the current state. Podcasts...they get probably 50% of my listening time at home on my squeezeboxes now, and that's even with the general ignorance the device has for how to deliver a podcast UI. If squeezebox had both automatic and manual bookmarking and quick 30 second rewind/ffwd and a reasonable podcast discovery/browse UI (the only service for this, mediafly, did not cut it), you could grow the user base for that technology. On-demand audio streams of stuff-that-isn't-music is pretty untapped, and the demand could be there if someone would just cultivate it. That's an interesting point. I had considered to add some missing functionality to iPeng UE now, we'll see, nobody really seems to be buying these UE Radios. Amongst existing European users, simple internet radio was the single most important feature, particularly the BBC. In the U.S., by contrast, it was by far Pandora. Local music use was harder to understand, but knowing that its use was shrinking was enough to doom it to its current crippled fate. Nevertheless, the data from Europe (by sales, quite a bit more important than the U.S. for squeezebox) showed that deferring sign-in/registration during setup was a very reasonable stance to take. I believe what's the major misconception about this product was (you can very clearly see that in how they position the UE Radio) that it's a mainstream product. It's not, it's a long-tail product. People may mostly USE it for internet radio or Pandora but that doesn't necessarily mean it's why they buy it. I believe a lot of people buy it (over cheaper alternatives) because it _also_ allows them to do other things, even if that's not what they do with it most of the time. If you have a range of products that all fulfill your basic requirement (listening to internet radio or Pandora) it might still be the one offering the most attractive other capabilities (also playing your own stuff, multiroom, alarm clock these things can vary from customer to customer) will be what you buy. I think that's what whoever wrote the marketing concept for that product didn't understand: if you build a product that only has the features that people use 80% of the time it might be a product that people still won't buy because those other 20% were actually the reason why you chose it over the competition or accepted a higher price. You have to know very well what you are doing when doing market research on these things. That said: BBC is also on the list of things that don't really work well anymore since there's no listen-again support with the UE radio, of course. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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wcndave wrote: ... I still think they have dropped the millions of ppl who match the above criteria and were ready to go media-less The touch sold amazingly well with zero marketing! They won't release sales figures, but sales of SB players in the millions is highly unlikely. The market is certainly millions, but that's divided among numerous different player types manufacturers. SB was always a niche product. Also, it was the SB Radio that was the highest selling SB player model ever. And by a rather sizable number, based on rather direct developers comments on these forums and other anecdotal evidence. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Hope I don't repeat some older entry, but I tried to get my squeezebox touch running connected with a small PC over crosslink cable. Then I found out that the SBT won't run at all if no connection to Mysqueezebox.com is available. The image that comes to my mind is: Logitech turns off the Mysqueezebox.com server some day, and from then on no one is able to run (boot) a SB any more. Is that correct? BTW, if someone knows how to get around that boot registration with Mysqueezebox.com please let me know. I wanted to get the pair SBT+small PC running for my office where I'm not allowed to put a new device into the net. Don't see why Logitech has to know when my SBT starts up :-( Vanye64's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58840 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Vanye64 wrote: Hope I don't repeat some older entry, but I tried to get my squeezebox touch running connected with a small PC over crosslink cable. Then I found out that the SBT won't run at all if no connection to Mysqueezebox.com is available. The image that comes to my mind is: Logitech turns off the Mysqueezebox.com server some day, and from then on no one is able to run (boot) a SB any more. Is that correct? BTW, if someone knows how to get around that boot registration with Mysqueezebox.com please let me know. I wanted to get the pair SBT+small PC running for my office where I'm not allowed to put a new device into the net. Don't see why Logitech has to know when my SBT starts up :-( Once initially setup, you don't need mysb.com or even an Internet connection for local music. There's a way for skipping initial registration with mysb.com but I can't recall the steps. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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garym wrote: Once initially setup, you don't need mysb.com or even an Internet connection for local music. There's a way for skipping initial registration with mysb.com but I can't recall the steps. If you've got a Squeezebox remote control, press AND HOLD the left arrow when the MySB login screen comes up and it takes you to the home screen, from where you can set up your LMS IP address. I believe there's also a way to do this without the remote but I can't recall for sure (swipe left?). chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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I am not sure that it was just enthusiasts who were dropped here. I would say its anyone who had a decent cd collection, or has a living room stereo and a kitchen/bedroom boombox. For me this covers nearly everyone! Sonos, there are a few things apart from the price i did not like when last i checked. Wireless only? Limited number of files? No server for central mgmt? I forget now, however was more than the price. I still think they have dropped the millions of ppl who match the above criteria and were ready to go media-less The touch sold amazingly well with zero marketing! wcndave's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29445 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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wcndave wrote: I am not sure that it was just enthusiasts who were dropped here. I would say its anyone who had a decent cd collection, or has a living room stereo and a kitchen/bedroom boombox. For me this covers nearly everyone! Sonos, there are a few things apart from the price i did not like when last i checked. Wireless only? Limited number of files? No server for central mgmt? I forget now, however was more than the price. I still think they have dropped the millions of ppl who match the above criteria and were ready to go media-less The touch sold amazingly well with zero marketing! Yea apart from the file limit 65k probably less with a lot of tag content (for example music ip analysis and embedded art ) and weird architecture sonos it does not for example support multiple artist tags and it also has a silly limit on the size for cover art Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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With iPeng on iOS you get a mobile player as an optional in-app purchase. Works really well. There is also iPeng UE, but I'm not sure it also has this feature. http://penguinlovesmusic.de/ipeng-the-iphone-skin-for-squeezecenter/ RichieB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11310 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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erland wrote: UE Smart Radio isn't designed for people like you... So as long as 2B is a yes in your example Logitech has successfully provided what their target user for UE Smart Radio is interested inSmart Radio isn't a Squeezebox and it will never be a Squeezebox (unless you manually downgrade it to Squeezebox firmware), it's an internet radio device with some premium features. Unfortunately the current price is not set according to an internet radio, it's set for a Squeezebox kind of device, which probably means that there are currently a limited amount of people who really loves it. I suspect the users who only needs something for the 2B category really is looking for devices at $99 and below. Yes, i suppose that was my point. Before you had a range of device that covered everything from high range audiophiles to CD collectors, to something to do the washing up to. Some posters were saying some categories don't exist much anymore, however i suspect that the latter two are both high growth potential, and Squeeze was the only one that handled them all in a complete house system. Therefore reducing the range to the one item that the kind of people who frequent this forum will care about the least is a real shame... I am building a and was waiting until then to get a couple of booms, and 2 or 3 touches, however I am not left with no real options :-( wcndave's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29445 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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RichieB wrote: With iPeng on iOS you get a mobile player as an optional in-app purchase. Works really well. There is also iPeng UE, but I'm not sure it also has this feature. http://penguinlovesmusic.de/ipeng-the-iphone-skin-for-squeezecenter/ iPeng UE currently does NOT have the playback feature and I don't know if it ever will. Other than with the Squeezebox, a UE player can't work entirely locally but needs to use the uesmartradio.com infrastructure and at least for MySqueezebox.com Logitech explicitly disallowed that. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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wcndave wrote: Some posters were saying some categories don't exist much anymore, however i suspect that the latter two are both high growth potential, and Squeeze was the only one that handled them all in a complete house system. Therefore reducing the range to the one item that the kind of people who frequent this forum will care about the least is a real shame... Yes, the people on this forum is no longer the ones Logitech want to sell UE Smart Radio to. We are music enthusiasts and that's no longer Logitech's main target. wcndave wrote: I am building a and was waiting until then to get a couple of booms, and 2 or 3 touches, however I am not left with no real options :-( You can probably get used ones on eBay and similar sites, but I understand your frustration, we all feel more or less exactly the same. However, if you aren't in a urgent need, I would just wait, I'm sure some company eventually decides to take advantage of the market segment Logitech no longer is interested in. Developing new products will take a bit of time, so for any company that started to develop new products just after Logitech stopped selling Squeezebox it's likely going to take at least another 6-12 months before the products are ready to be released on the market. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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erland wrote: Yes, the people on this forum is no longer the ones Logitech want to sell UE Smart Radio to. We are music enthusiasts and that's no longer Logitech's main target. You can probably get used ones on eBay and similar sites, but I understand your frustration, we all feel more or less exactly the same. However, if you aren't in a urgent need, I would just wait, I'm sure some company eventually decides to take advantage of the market segment Logitech no longer is interested in. Developing new products will take a bit of time, so for any company that started to develop new products just after Logitech stopped selling Squeezebox it's likely going to take at least another 6-12 months before the products are ready to be released on the market. Even used on eBay at this point will command a good price I believe. I'm fortunate to have built out my system for my needs before the bottom dropped out. Though I almost missed out on Booms because when I needed my last one, I had to resort to eBay. I work with a few guys that have Booms (partly on my suggestion) and were dumbfounded when they heard they were discontinued. The love 'em! Though more expensive and perhaps not available where you are, there is Sonos. You can use Andoid and iPhone/iPod to control them, or you can purchase their dedicated controller. I wonder if the niche is big enough to support both Sonos and the gap left by Logitech? We'll find out over the next year I think. maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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few comments: garym wrote: don't panic. All your stuff will still work. The only current issue I see is that the future hardware might not be compatible with existing hardware. In terms of LMS and your own music. This can work forever without logitech's intervention. As noted elsewhere I think, this means never upgrading. My Synology NAS has a click and install LMS, I use my NAS for lots of other things. I now need to get a new one, only for music, and never upgrade it or patch security holes etc... not great solution, but will have to be done. mherger wrote: Does this mean that in the event of one's internet connection going down (which used to happen frequently when I was with my former ISP, the major UK ISP), the UE Radio cannot be controlled to play locally stored music? Yes, that's true. Really bad. I have a very very flakey connection indeed in the mountains of Italy and this means my whole house music system would not work. mherger wrote: The trend, whether you and I like it or not, is online streaming. The collector who has thousands (I'm not even talking about tens of thousands!) of tracks on his disc and prefers to manage them over using an online stereaming service is a dieing breed. Not sure I agree, the biggest untapped segment will be the non techies and non-early adopters who have hundreds of CDs and decide that it's now probably time to embrace music stored centrally somehow and want a fairly decent quality solution. I think the reason this never got mainstream was i) no end to end process, including the ripping, for legal reasons, and ii) they could not make the interfaces / setup idiot proof. Here's what I see the needs to be source wise: 1. Local music ripped and stored on PC / NAS 2. Listen to Internet Radio 3. Listen through services like LastFM 4. Upload your collection online so you always have it wherever you are Then you have how we listen A) living room stereo high end B) kitchen / bedroom style booms C) On computer D) Mobile Players Let's compare old and new on this basis 1A SB: perfect with transporter / touch / classic 1A UE: Not available 1B SB: Perfect, no internet required, no lag 1B UE: Available but flawed.. can i plug a subwoofer in like i do now in kitchen boom? 1C SB: Easy if you want this 1C UE: Not seen anything that suggests one can do this - use winamp again? 1D SB: Not available 1D UE: Still not available SB -- UE 2A - yes no 2B - yes yes 2C - yes no? 3A --- yes--- no 3B --- yes --- yes 3C --- why? --no? 4A/B/C/D - no -- still no which means we lose a load of stuff, and do not gain any significant killer features like online collection to mobile devices or something... in addition a proportion like to have a dedicated touch / duet controller setup at least to go with their hi-fi living room setup, and that is now relegated to mobile apps. my kids won't have smartphones for another 5-6 years all in all doing a market analysis of the needs versus the products does not seem to have been high on their list... oh and i see the touch is no $700+ in US, and i cannot find them in Italy / UK for much less than £350, so I have found out about this a few months too late :'( wcndave's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29445 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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At this point you need to shell out $700 or build your own! http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97721-Logitech-SqueezeBox-replacement-for-under-30 agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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wcndave wrote: Here's what I see the needs to be source wise: 1. Local music ripped and stored on PC / NAS 2. Listen to Internet Radio 3. Listen through services like LastFM 4. Upload your collection online so you always have it wherever you are Then you have how we listen A) living room stereo high end B) kitchen / bedroom style booms C) On computer D) Mobile Players ... which means we lose a load of stuff, and do not gain any significant killer features like online collection to mobile devices or something... .. all in all doing a market analysis of the needs versus the products does not seem to have been high on their list... UE Smart Radio isn't designed for people like you, as you have already noticed, it's not even designed for people who listen to premium online streaming services. IMHO, the control interface is designed for people who listen to 10-20 different internet radio stations and these people don't care much about the audio quality and most of them doesn't have an amplifier in their living room so A and B is the same and C is what they are searching a replacement for, so it's really only D that's missing but I'm honestly not sure these users even want D and if they do they just use their smart phone (if they have one). So as long as 2B is a yes in your example Logitech has successfully provided what their target user for UE Smart Radio is interested in. The question is just how big the 2B user category is, even if most of us doesn't think there are a lot of users who are only interested in 2B it might be bigger than we think among the masses, it wouldn't surprise me if the most common Squeezebox user today owns a single Squeezebox Radio. So I think it's important to realize that UE Smart Radio isn't a Squeezebox and it will never be a Squeezebox (unless you manually downgrade it to Squeezebox firmware), it's an internet radio device with some premium features. Unfortunately the current price is not set according to an internet radio, it's set for a Squeezebox kind of device, which probably means that there are currently a limited amount of people who really loves it. I suspect the users who only needs something for the 2B category really is looking for devices at $99 and below. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Sinkdrain wrote: I'm not happy about the fact that one day I'll buy a new computer with an updated os and will most likely find lms to be broken. I'm not sure how I'll listen to my music. keep the old computer, running the old OS, as your music server. Or even install VORTEXBOX on your old computer for use as a music server. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Well, you could use iPeng UE which still has that capability :D pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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erland wrote: Honestly, I can't say I'll miss these two particular apps very much, always felt like a marketing trick to get more users by being able to put a Facebook/Twitter compatible sticker on the box. Still, based on that, it's a bit strange that they chose to remove them in the UE Smart Radio which they even try to advertise through their Facebook channel. Yes and the way FB works on a squeezebox it could as well not be there at all :) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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chipmalee wrote: From their app list, looks like Facebook and Flickr apps are gone... Just the tip of the iceberg in missing features, those two being the least missed of any/all absent features. :). toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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buffettck wrote: I keep hearing rumors that Logitech will dump server support for SBRs. I don't know, nor have I heard, anything about 3rd party people maintaining it. Since I only use my SBR for streaming purposes, that feature going away would effectively make it useless to me. Um, why is that? Logitech dropping official LMS support doesn't stop LMS from working - it works now, and should continue to work on the OS's it works on. - Tim Sent via TapaTalk tbessie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8521 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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buffettck wrote: I keep hearing rumors that Logitech will dump server support for SBRs. I don't know, nor have I heard, anything about 3rd party people maintaining it. Since I only use my SBR for streaming purposes, that feature going away would effectively make it useless to me. The only thing a 3rd party would be needed for is if a new operating system for a server (e.g. Windows) no longer supports the server software and Logitech doesn't want to update the server software to handle it. Logitech might also dump mysqueezebox.com, but if you run your own server to stream, that wouldn't impact you. (mysqueezebox.com is basically a LMS server at the other end of your internet connection. It doesn't do anything you can't do on your own server.) TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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TiredLegs wrote: It doesn't do anything you can't do on your own server.) well, without mysb.com we would still need some way of making connections to premium streaming services like MOG, SiriusXM, Pandora (i.e. things that require some sort of authentication). It is true that Triode's 3rd Party Spotify uses their API and would NOT require mysb.com. But this said, LMS would work forever for streaming one's own music and general internet radio. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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toby10 wrote: much fewer features than SB. From their app list, looks like the Facebook and Flickr apps are gone. http://ue.logitech.com/en-gb/articles/smart-radio-services Another question...what happens when a radio station changes their URL? Who updates the URLs, like when Clear Channel and CBS blocked their streams. Now, it's the squeezebox team (Andy, Michaels, etc.) not TuneIn, right? No team, no maintenance. chipmalee's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39278 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Another question...what happens when a radio station changes their URL? Who updates the URLs, like when Clear Channel and CBS blocked their streams. Now, it's the squeezebox team (Andy, Michaels, etc.) not TuneIn, right? No team, no maintenance. It's still TuneIn. -- Michael ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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chipmalee wrote: Another question...what happens when a radio station changes their URL? Who updates the URLs, like when Clear Channel and CBS blocked their streams. It's the squeezebox team (Andy, Michaels, etc.) that made the changes, not TuneIn, right? So no budget equals no maintenance. The radio list is still maintained by TuneIn. mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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chipmalee wrote: From their app list, looks like Facebook and Flickr apps are gone. http://ue.logitech.com/en-gb/articles/smart-radio-services Honestly, I can't say I'll miss these two particular apps very much, always felt like a marketing trick to get more users by being able to put a Facebook/Twitter compatible sticker on the box. Still, based on that, it's a bit strange that they chose to remove them in the UE Smart Radio which they even try to advertise through their Facebook channel. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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buffettck wrote: Same here. If they nuke my SB to where it won't work anymore, I'll never buy another Logitech product again and I will discourage everyone I can from doing so, as well. What's there for them to nuke? You have existing functional firmware for the SB, and existing functional server software. You're not required to upgrade to any future releases. The only real concern is that some future operating system (Windows 13?) won't be compatible with the server software. But the server is open source. As long as one engineer somewhere can make the necessary tweaks, SB will live on forever (or at least until the hardware gives out, in which case you'd need to get new stuff anywy). TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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TiredLegs wrote: What's there for them to nuke? You have existing functional firmware for the SB, and existing functional server software. You're not required to upgrade to any future releases. The only real concern is that some future operating system (Windows 13?) won't be compatible with the server software. But the server is open source. As long as one engineer somewhere can make the necessary tweaks, SB will live on forever (or at least until the hardware gives out, in which case you'd need to get new stuff anywy). I keep hearing rumors that Logitech will dump server support for SBRs. I don't know, nor have I heard, anything about 3rd party people maintaining it. Since I only use my SBR for streaming purposes, that feature going away would effectively make it useless to me. buffettck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Reading more in detail, I'm confused. Is SqueezeRadio going to stay while the Boom, the Touch are going to be gone? If so, I can understand why Logi is keeping the SqueezeRadio. I love the album art that flashes on the radio screen. I've bought my radio everywhere in my apartmenteven on the toilet...where creative flowsliterally speaking. I can check my Facebook and look at Flickr pictures while in the bathroom and having music blasting. So I really love this little thing that has such a big sound. If you read my old posts, you've seen I returned the boom after trying out the radio. And there's that hope that with the open system, anyone can customize the radio to do the things they want. For me, it's recording and auto scanning. So while it's sad to see my fellow SqueezeBoxers lose support for the boom and touch, I'm relieve if the SqueezeRadio is left alone. chipmalee's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39278 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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chipmalee wrote: ... Is SqueezeRadio going to stay while the Boom, the Touch are going to be gone? No, SqueezeBox Radio is gone as well, already discontinued. UE Radio uses different servers, local and online, much fewer features than SB. Both SB and UE Radio's can interchange their firmwares, but it's not a simple nor reliable procedure. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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autopilot wrote: RIP Squeezebox. You served me well for many years. I guess my current devices will still be usual for a while yet, but Sonos here I come... Same here. If they nuke my SB to where it won't work anymore, I'll never buy another Logitech product again and I will discourage everyone I can from doing so, as well. buffettck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Is there an open-source version of LMS, one that isn't maintained by Logitech? djfake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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djfake wrote: Is there an open-source version of LMS, one that isn't maintained by Logitech? Well, the current version is open source and not really maintained by Logitech... :) Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Only Dutch store that was 'dumping' them was Conrad.nl. I found them for 219 euro. ['link' (http://www.conrad.nl/ce/nl/product/325843/?insert=8YinsertNoDeeplinkproductname=Internetradio-Logitech-Squeezebox-Touch-Zwart)]. The price has since gone up again to 229. I used the 219 deal to get a good deal for a 3rd second-hand exemplar, which cost me 140. Let's say the seller was sensitive to the argument that they were being dumped. Personally I didn't consider their value going down that much, but hey, who am I to interfere with my own negotiation tactics. But they could hardly ask 180 for a second-hand exemplar with lacking warranty when new ones were going for 220. Xenthar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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MarkBennett wrote: In response, my inner voice says Fear of a short life is ubiquitous, nothing can be certain and all things come to an end in time. Better to adore briefly in hope of a long relationship than to tolerate for ever. Openness, stimulation and feedback is important in any relationship. There is no decision to make, time for prevarication is over - act now before the object of your desires slips from your grasp. BTW, just replace phone with Squeezebox here: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-03-10/ That's brilliant and some excellent wisdom! My recent purchases of Squeezebox Touch x3 coincides with the same: I can save my money for some future contingency that may never come, or enjoy it now - there isn't any other time where I can enjoy it anyway. Xenthar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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People were saying they were picking up Squeezebox Touch's cheap, but all the sales on them I've seen, people are marking them up rather than down. The only deal I saw was the white Squeezebox Radio on the Logitech site, and I bought one... dunno why, I don't like white gadgets, but it'll be my last Squeezebox purchase. I have the SB3, Duet, and a Boom that the Squeezebox people gave me when I helped them debug a TCP stack issue (they came over to my house, and it was a gift for my time - nice folks). - Tim tbessie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8521 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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In response, my inner voice says Fear of a short life is ubiquitous, nothing can be certain and all things come to an end in time. Better to adore briefly in hope of a long relationship than to tolerate for ever. Openness, stimulation and feedback is important in any relationship. There is no decision to make, time for prevarication is over - act now before the object of your desires slips from your grasp. BTW, just replace phone with Squeezebox here: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-03-10/ MarkBennett's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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MarkBennett wrote: BTW, just replace phone with Squeezebox here: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-03-10/ perfect garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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MarkBennett wrote: In response, my inner voice says Fear of a short life is ubiquitous, nothing can be certain and all things come to an end in time. Better to adore briefly in hope of a long relationship than to tolerate for ever. Openness, stimulation and feedback is important in any relationship. There is no decision to make, time for prevarication is over - act now before the object of your desires slips from your grasp. BTW, just replace phone with Squeezebox here: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-03-10/ Dilbert is awesome. That's a very appropriate strip :-). maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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TheLastMan wrote: This is not true. There is no Sonos server that needs to run full time - it is a lot simpler than Squeezebox in that respect (but also a lot less capable). There is a simple setup program that you use to point the players at the place where you hold your music files. That can be a PC, Nas, laptop - whatever. Of course that repository needs to be switched on and available on the network for the streaming to work, but it does not need to run any kind of server software. The best option for a Sonos user is therefore a cheap and cheerful NAS that you can leave switched on 24/7. Each Sonos player holds an index of your music files (with a maximum of around 65,000 tracks IIRC). I gather there is some kind of feature which makes sure that all the players are using the same index too. MarkBennett said as much yes. It's an easy to use setup. Xenthar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Mark.Bennett wrote: Probably true. I'm just slightly nervous about placing the order without some more thought. My oracle narrates the following: First it says you are in a position where you want to advance strongly, but opposition is still too strong. It is prudent to only move ahead as far as you are certain of your success, because a mistake made in the beginning has the largest repercussions. Then it says you will soon be in a position to make a decisive breakthrough. It describes Squeezebox as the wealth of the home. It also describes Squeezebox as something you are drawn to with an integrity that resembles a full earthen dish: contents, not empty form; not just fancy words, but something real. Sonos is described as a thing with a material power that cannot live up to your strength of character. But, it says, remorse will disappear as you curtail your character for a thing that sustains in the long run. It says consideration may lead to joining. It describes it as advancement, or development, or alternatively, it says you will move ahead slowly and make a choice. Current circumstances are described as a solar eclipse. It says the thicket is of such fullness that one sees the stars in broad daylight. He breaks his arm; no blame. Meaning, that the situation is such that because the sun (Squeezebox) is eclipsed, the lesser lights (Sonos) are able to make their appearance. If one is unable to act because of this, one is not to be blamed for it. Inner truth leads to compromise. The fullness of the thicket puts you in an inferior position. Halting in your steps causes you to consult with people. Reducement (of Squeezebox?) leads to limitation. In the end, you will need to free yourself from Squeezebox. That's all I can make of it ;-). Hope it is of some help to you, but basically it just describes circumstances you already know of. ;-) Xenthar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Xenthar wrote: Without server software Sonos can't do any streaming, but it can seek in the file on the remote location so that would resemble streaming. This is not true. There is no Sonos server that needs to run full time - it is a lot simpler than Squeezebox in that respect (but also a lot less capable). There is a simple setup program that you use to point the players at the place where you hold your music files. That can be a PC, Nas, laptop - whatever. Of course that repository needs to be switched on and available on the network for the streaming to work, but it does not need to run any kind of server software. The best option for a Sonos user is therefore a cheap and cheerful NAS that you can leave switched on 24/7. Each Sonos player holds an index of your music files (with a maximum of around 65,000 tracks IIRC). I gather there is some kind of feature which makes sure that all the players are using the same index too. I have three friends with various levels of Sonos installations. None of them stream their own music, they all use either Spotify or Napster (Rhapsody). Needless to say none of them could in any way be called audiophiles! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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MarkBennett wrote: I understand and appreciate your point. I've still got 10 year-old SB1's working (apart from the rubber paint having gone sticky) fine, so I'm relatively confident about the hardware lifetime. If I buy a couple of spares then I'm probably fine for 10 years or so. Also in a couple of years time I'll probably be able to pick up a spare touch or two relatively cheaply on EBay as others swap out their systems. That's true. Switching to Sonos here doesn't necessarily help. They're a one-trick pony, although admittedly a good one. Who's to say that I'll still be able to buy a Sonos box in 5 years time? Seems an awfully big assumption. I'm not very familiar with them, but is the assumption really that big? My current high end audio hardware store is completely infatuated with them (for them it's a perfect system - no computer knowledge required to sell it) and I see them in regular electronics stores as well. There is a reason why Sonos dealers can't tell you where the server is - there isn't one. Each player is effectively its own server, with a clever system for replicating the music database and playlists along with a mesh radio system for communication between players. Take any one player out and the others will carry on and they don't need an internet connection for local music playback. Ah, so the server inside each player obtains a SMB connection to a computer serving the database. Smart. But you still need a computer and a Samba server is still a server. The complexity of the music streaming and playback functionality is just contained, relocated as it were, and then hidden from view such that people who don't know about it will wonder how it works. Like me! :P I wonder how I feel about that. Personally I like clarity. Simplicity of design also makes for a cheaper system. The Sonos may be able to retrieve from any PC that shares a folder with the network, but the downside is that every 'thick' client needs additional hardware and software. A thin client is not a possibility. Various avenues for 3rd party playback or control are closed. Devices like a simple radio or simple streamer become impossible or out of place. Not an option. I want to be able to stream different stuff to different locations. Fruity systems can't do that as far as I understand. They're also as proprietary as Sonos, but without any of the advantages of either Sonos or Squeezebox. The only real thing in their favour is that the company isn't going away any time soon and you can be pretty certain their products will continue to be supported for many years. Not good enough in my opinion. I was not actually proposing it as a solution ;-). Apple is as not an option for me as anything. Their entire system basically consists of one device, together with touch screen controllers that people already own. Very logical from their standpoint, but it's not a beautiful system in any sense of the word. Anybody could create it, but for some reason nobody has - perhaps for legal issues. You can stream stuff to different locations but I believe you need a different controller device for every stream, or different instances of the same Apple app which is probably impossible or unworkable, since the controller is in fact the player. DLNA/UPnP is also completely out of the question. I truly wonder why it was created. It is a step in the right direction, but wasn't designed to truly function well. Very feature-poor, not even supporting gapless playback. Gapless playback in DLNA is supported through an optional function that nobody implements. It requires the controller to set the next AV stream, and the renderer to pre-fetch that stream/file before it is needed, then to gaplessly transit to that next stream and update the controller with the now playing message (or the controller must continuously monitor the currently-playing-track). But in fact to have proper controller functionality you have to be able to store the playlist on the renderer and then be able to manipulate it on the controller - also impossible. I believe the only way to send a playlist is to set the AV stream to a .m3u or .pls file, but not much more. A cooperative failure and any proprietary system would easily outshine it. There are multiple amplifies on the market supporting 9.1/2+ modes and they also have 2-3 rooms set-up capabilities. You will have just 3-4 amplifiers in the list instead of 12. And this would be the same for touches you would need to have 3-4 instead of 12 in each room. I would go for solution comparison with all pros and cons including the cost factor. This really sounds like a controller nightmare. Even if all devices are the same, and the device's app supports naming and controlling 12 different zones distributed over 4 receivers at once with complete transparancy... Lol I see the fun of changing the music in the room you are not in ;-). Decentralisation definitely adds to flexibility... and the
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
MarkBennett wrote: Interesting points. ... I also like having a dedicated user interface to the players - while I do control the system using iPeng when I'm sitting down for a listening session, for casual use I just use the remotes/buttons. Faffing around with unlocking my phone/tablet, launching the application, selecting which player I want to control etc. is an annoyance. I also don't want to have to buy my kids phones/ipods/tablets so that they can control the music. The only system that supports this, as far as I can see, is Squeezebox, and this implies having a distributed system... It sounds like decisive criteria then :-) AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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AndreE wrote: It sounds like decisive criteria then :-) Probably true. I'm just slightly nervous about placing the order without some more thought. Mark.Bennett's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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MarkBennett wrote: Yep, all of this is already in the plans, although the Touches will be distributed along with local amps rather than in a central cabinet. :) I do not own the house, but was involved into multiple planning projects done by friends. Having relatively big apartment and having all my equipment distributed across all rooms I would do it differently for my place if I would do it again and from scratch. The distribution of the equipment is nice in term of virtual flexibility, and has some associated constrains. In my current plans I consider to move most of my equipment into the locked from the eyes cabinet where equipment is very centralized. Most of modern amplified support network based management and you do not need to have IR remotes laying everywhere. The only thing you would need to care across all rooms would be the cabling for speakers the rest somewhere in the basement easy to manage and replace. Rooms will be much cleaner from the equipment boxes. Even if you decide to nave Logitech for a while think about the case: how many independent tracks you are going to listen across all rooms? Would it be the case that each room has own music? What rooms have to be independent for whatever cost? Would this system be able to support such load (on the server side)? Would it be fine to have management capability available via tablet? If the answer would be most my rooms will be in sync mode (for me this is most likely scenario) than I would go for less devices like Touch, and by having them centralized you can leverage the power of centralizations. There are multiple amplifies on the market supporting 9.1/2+ modes and they also have 2-3 rooms set-up capabilities. You will have just 3-4 amplifiers in the list instead of 12. And this would be the same for touches you would need to have 3-4 instead of 12 in each room. I would go for solution comparison with all pros and cons including the cost factor. Or simply might consider looking towards the professional sound distribution solutions direction where the offering is even richer. By moving into the central cabined solution you will have full flexibility to have as many amplifiers and music distribution systems as you need. Expansion / change will be less painful as if you have all rooms separated. In case of distributed solution, by having some devices failing you will start losing rooms with no possibility to resolve/fix it easily without replacing the whole system. For me this is one of the decisive questions to answer before making a decision. AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Xenthar wrote: Personally I feel that a system that large (twelve Touches) would be unsustainable in the long run compared to the investment you make. By that I mean... if hardware starts failing, your entire system will at some point go into degraded mode; this could be the case when you still have 8 of them left. Then you need to swap over to Sonos anyway. Which to me wouldn't be an attractive situation in any case, so the question is just whether you want to invest 220 per item now, and in 8-10 years replace everything, or invest in Sonos now and only have to replace the failing components. I understand and appreciate your point. I've still got 10 year-old SB1's working (apart from the rubber paint having gone sticky) fine, so I'm relatively confident about the hardware lifetime. If I buy a couple of spares then I'm probably fine for 10 years or so. Also in a couple of years time I'll probably be able to pick up a spare touch or two relatively cheaply on EBay as others swap out their systems. Switching to Sonos here doesn't necessarily help. They're a one-trick pony, although admittedly a good one. Who's to say that I'll still be able to buy a Sonos box in 5 years time? Seems an awfully big assumption. Xenthar wrote: I believe Sonos uses Windows filesharing as its protocol? And maybe something for the Mac. Sonos is just way too expensive for me. I only bought that many Touches because prices have dropped to make it affordable to me. Without server software Sonos can't do any streaming, but it can seek in the file on the remote location so that would resemble streaming. If you go to a Sonos reseller and ask him how does the Sonos communicate to the server, they won't be able to give you an answer - is my experience. They are selling stuff to people and they don't even know themselves how it works. Just THAT it works. Then you have buyers who realize after the fact that they need to keep their computer running and that that is slightly problematic to them. Oh yes, forgot to tell you that! ;-). Personally I don't like to buy something based on the promise that it works, without knowing the ramifications for my use scenario's now and in the future. And I feel Sonos is being sold on that premise that you don't have to worry about any of the details that WILL at some point start to bite you. Their sale strategy is one of trust us, just trust us. But I don't trust vendors with closed systems that cost a zillion, probably won't exactly do what I want them to do, and keep me vendor-locked for quite some time. There is a reason why Sonos dealers can't tell you where the server is - there isn't one. Each player is effectively its own server, with a clever system for replicating the music database and playlists along with a mesh radio system for communication between players. Take any one player out and the others will carry on and they don't need an internet connection for local music playback. However, I do agree with the proprietary nature and this puts me off Sonos as much as anything else. At least with SB there's a chance that someone will continue to maintain the server, update plugins and maybe even develop custom firmware as suggested in this thread. Sooner or later this will stop though. Xenthar wrote: Funny, I just started thinking about fruit... Not an option. I want to be able to stream different stuff to different locations. Fruity systems can't do that as far as I understand. They're also as proprietary as Sonos, but without any of the advantages of either Sonos or Squeezebox. The only real thing in their favour is that the company isn't going away any time soon and you can be pretty certain their products will continue to be supported for many years. Not good enough in my opinion. MarkBennett's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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AndreE wrote: I do not own the house, but was involved into multiple planning projects done by friends. Having relatively big apartment and having all my equipment distributed across all rooms I would do it differently for my place if I would do it again and from scratch. The distribution of the equipment is nice in term of virtual flexibility, and has some associated constrains. In my current plans I consider to move most of my equipment into the locked from the eyes cabinet where equipment is very centralized. Most of modern amplified support network based management and you do not need to have IR remotes laying everywhere. The only thing you would need to care across all rooms would be the cabling for speakers � the rest somewhere in the basement � easy to manage and replace. Rooms will be much cleaner from the equipment boxes. Even if you decide to nave Logitech for a while � think about the case: how many independent tracks you are going to listen across all rooms? Would it be the case that each room has own music? What rooms have to be independent for whatever cost? Would this system be able to support such load (on the server side)? Would it be fine to have management capability available via tablet? If the answer would be most my rooms will be in sync mode (for me this is most likely scenario) � than I would go for less devices like Touch, and by having them centralized you can leverage the power of �centralizations�. There are multiple amplifies on the market supporting 9.1/2+ modes and they also have 2-3 rooms set-up capabilities. You will have just 3-4 amplifiers in the list instead of 12. And this would be the same for touches you would need to have � 3-4 instead of 12 in each room. I would go for solution comparison with all pros and cons including the cost factor. Or simply might consider looking towards the professional sound distribution solutions direction where the offering is even richer. By moving into the central cabined solution you will have full flexibility to have as many amplifiers and �music� distribution systems as you need. Expansion / change will be less painful as if you have all rooms separated. In case of distributed solution, by having some devices failing you will start losing rooms with no possibility to resolve/fix it easily without replacing the whole system. For me this is one of the decisive questions to answer before making a decision. Interesting points. It's not uncommon in our house to have three different streams happening at the same time. Occasionally we have four. We rarely synchronise players. All of my content is in FLAC and my current server is more than capable of handling all of my existing client at the same time, including transcoding (only done as a test), so I'm not at all worried about that side. (In fact I'll probably be upgrading the server for the new house to adequately serve multiple video streams at the same time. Serving Squeezeboxes will be insignificant after the upgrade.) I have thought about centralised vs distributed systems and I can see some of the appeals of centralised. However, most of our planned locations will also be able to support other devices (e.g. PC or TV) through the same speakers and in this case a distributed amplification system makes more sense. (A couple of the systems will be connected through external DAC/processors and high-end amps.) I also like having a dedicated user interface to the players - while I do control the system using iPeng when I'm sitting down for a listening session, for casual use I just use the remotes/buttons. Faffing around with unlocking my phone/tablet, launching the application, selecting which player I want to control etc. is an annoyance. I also don't want to have to buy my kids phones/ipods/tablets so that they can control the music. The only system that supports this, as far as I can see, is Squeezebox, and this implies having a distributed system. (As a minor aside, I also like having clocks around the house that I don't have to change between GMT and DST!) MarkBennett's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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While I'm late to this party I'm pretty grumpy about this announcement. I've been a squeezebox user for over 10 years, with a squeezebox1, 2 squeezeboxes 1.5's, 2 squeezebox 2's, a squeezebox 3/classic, a touch and 3 radios. The touch and radios have all been bought in the last year. I'm embarking on the build of a new house in the new year with plans to fit the house out using Squeezebox touches, which would have meant buying 12 of them. I predominantly use local content served from a Linux server with BBC radio (live and listen again). Now, I'm not sure what to do. I still think the touch is the best solution for me. The Sonos is the only real equivalent that I can see, but the lack of a local display/interface is a real pain in the backside (although the model with integrated amp would be very useful for the bathrooms and the line-in could be useful in some cases). Sonos is also quite expensive. Unlike most comments on the forum I'm not in a position of sit still and see what happens. I need to either decide to go with Squeezebox or abandon the system and go with Sonos. If I'm going to stick with Squeezebox then I probably need to act now and buy up what I expect to need (plus a couple of spares), or I'm relying on being able to pick them up off EBay next year. My heart tells me to buy the SB Touches, but I'm nervous that sooner or later I'll need to replace my server hardware and find that I can't install LMS anymore due to software incompatibility. I don't want to invest this money and then have to switch it out for a different system in a few years time. What would any of you do in my situation? MarkBennett's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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MarkBennett wrote: While I'm late to this party I'm pretty grumpy about this announcement. I've been a squeezebox user for over 10 years, with a squeezebox1, 2 squeezeboxes 1.5's, 2 squeezebox 2's, a squeezebox 3/classic, a touch and 3 radios. The touch and radios have all been bought in the last year. I'm embarking on the build of a new house in the new year with plans to fit the house out using Squeezebox touches, which would have meant buying 12 of them. I predominantly use local content served from a Linux server with BBC radio (live and listen again). Now, I'm not sure what to do. I still think the touch is the best solution for me. The Sonos is the only real equivalent that I can see, but the lack of a local display/interface is a real pain in the backside (although the model with integrated amp would be very useful for the bathrooms and the line-in could be useful in some cases). Sonos is also quite expensive. Unlike most comments on the forum I'm not in a position of sit still and see what happens. I need to either decide to go with Squeezebox or abandon the system and go with Sonos. If I'm going to stick with Squeezebox then I probably need to act now and buy up what I expect to need (plus a couple of spares), or I'm relying on being able to pick them up off EBay next year. My heart tells me to buy the SB Touches, but I'm nervous that sooner or later I'll need to replace my server hardware and find that I can't install LMS anymore due to software incompatibility. I don't want to invest this money and then have to switch it out for a different system in a few years time. What would any of you do in my situation? I would buy the touches, and set up a small headless server to hold my music and run LMS. You will always be able to run LMS because you would never need to update the OS to something that can't run LMS. I use a Linux based vortexbox system. ps. Everyone talks as if Sonos will be in business forever. It won't. Nothing will. But your sb stuff is good for your use case for many years. And even today, the Sonos system won't even work for me for my current music library. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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garym wrote: I would buy the touches, and set up a small headless server to hold my music and run LMS. You will always be able to run LMS because you would never need to update the OS to something that can't run LMS. I use a Linux based vortexbox system. This is effectively what I'm doing now but using an Atom based mini-itx system running ClearOs. garym wrote: ps. Everyone talks as if Sonos will be in business forever. It won't. Nothing will. But your sb stuff is good for your use case for many years. And even today, the Sonos system won't even work for me for my current music library. I've only got around 8,500 songs, so the system would work for me for the foreseeable future. Of course, you're right that being a fully closed system if anything ever happened to Sonos you'd be even more stuck than now with Squeezebox. garym wrote: Edit: if building a new house, run cat6 Ethernet to everywhere you can think of. Create a central data cabinet that can hold router, switches, and server, etc. you might also consider some ceiling speakers in non critical listening locations and run back to cabinet with amp and SB etc. I have a combination of this type setup in my house along with separate SB players for some locations (media room stuff, primary stereo listening location with amp and speakers, bedrooms). Yep, all of this is already in the plans, although the Touches will be distributed along with local amps rather than in a central cabinet. :) MarkBennett's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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TiredLegs wrote: Sonos, like Apple, focused on a complete, easy to use system for which it gambled (correctly, I guess) that people would be willing to pay a premium. In particular, Sonis is easy to -sell-. As much as I love my Squeezeboxes, the system certainly wasn't easy to set up. I had to learn friggin' Linux to install, use, and upgrade the server software on my NAS. Sonos is practically plug and play with an NAS server, and for most NAS devices it doesn't require a single keystroke of Linux. The Touch was a step in the right direction in that regard, but it was too little, too late. And, speaking of server software, the same basic stuff has been called SlimServer, Squeezecenter, Squeezebox Server and now Logitech Media Server in the time I've owned the same hardware. WTF? Yes, Squeezebox is powerful and flexible. But it's confusing to the uninitiated. And the selling process is complicated for prospective customers (and retailers) to understand everything the system can do, and how to get the system to do it. Comparing Sonos and Squeezebox isn't like comparing Mac to PC. It's more like comparing Mac to Linux. Lots of people love the power and flexibility of an open system, but it's not necessarily for the masses. So it is with Sonos vs. Squeezebox. +1 You nailed it. That is my experience exactly. People were often impressed by my SB system but I never recommended it - always told them to buy Sonos unless they were particularly geeky. Nobody I recommended Sonos to has ever come back and complained, quite the opposite - they all rave about it. Sonos has enough functionality to be impressive and do its job while still being very reliable and easy to set up. Thanks to its open system approach the Squeezebox line has functionality that is way ahead of any other streaming system but it was unreliable and could be difficult to set up in some configurations. The Duet was a disaster in that respect. You really should not need to know how to fix an IP address to use consumer electronics! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Mushroom_3 wrote: Andre's post above is very interesting; and for further MBA study yesterday I was browsing a large John Lewis store in UK (large upmarket chain with good electrical stock) and found a lonely Squeezebox radio accessory pack for £4.95. (Now in my possession as a spare battery for my 2 radios)! This was sitting beside an extensive (3 shelf) Sonos display. So the Touch fails and a much more expensive, much less flexible lower quality product succeeds. Discuss.. Last post Xmas JL clearance sale I was lucky enough to find a concealed unopened SB Radio on shelves with various other pieces of electronica. The label said £60. A steal. Gealt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
