[RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up
Sorry, that would be Bonnie Prince Billy not Price. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
Awesome. 1) What tires do you like? How many flats per 1,000 miles do you get? 2) How do you keep critters out of your stuff at night? 3) Do you carry any protection to ward off human predators? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: 64cm Atlantis frame, fork headset
OK, I'd really rather not do this, but it's been a tough couple of years and life goes on as they say. I have a 64cm Atlantis that I bought back before they had kickstand plates, mid-fork eyelets or the fancier lugs. If I can get $1500 for the frame, fork and Ultegra headset then I can get some other things paid off. I bought the frame new and built it up for loaded touring. I took it on a delightful shakedown cruise one sunny afternoon, and since then it has just been a really nice bike I take out now and then for short spins. It's never been on anything resembling a tour, even an overnight trip to the next town. The paint is in fine shape save a few of the inevitable chips and scratches, but those are few and very minor. All in all, it's probably about as close to new condition as you will find in a frame that's been assembled and ridden a few hundred miles. I blasted it with framesaver when I took it out of the box and I live on the edge of the desert so rust is not an issue. As noted in a recent thread here, the 64 is no longer available new. If you are reading this then you most likely know what the bike is and how to determine if it's the right size for you. Here is a link to the geometry page: http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html Most of the parts will likely end up on an old touring bike frame I picked up a few years ago, but I could be persuaded to include the cranks and bottom bracket, since that was one of the most time consuming parts of the build. They are pretty nice Deore mountain bike cranks from the early 90s with newer chainrings and a UN72 (XT grade) bb carefully selected and spaced to optimize the chainline and center the cranks on the frame. The cranks are 175s and the rings are 46-36-24. Please contact me off list for details and my personal info. At the moment, it's still a very lovely complete bike but I'll dismantle it and pack it very well if someone buys the frame. There are several reasons I would rather avoid that popular auction site, but I have a top rating there and that's probably where this frame will end up if no one here buys it. Or not. Hard to say. Packing is included; shipping will be whatever it ends up being from Grand Junction, Colorado. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Jay's latest H-vid, stuff in it?
It's a Sackville Medium, which by any standards is huge. He carries a tripod and clothes other things in it. He shoots with a Flip, although we recently got something fancier for other things---like the headbadge shot, with that focus-control--Nikon D5000? A DSLR, anyway, small and relatively cheap as they go. We'll use it for instructional videos where focus control is important. The tires on the bike: Schwalbe Fat Apple 700x60...which, he can speak for himself, but he mentioned to me that these are his favorite tires these days. Jay is a remakable rider, makes hard things look easy. The riding here is really good, and all of the bikes get tested on these trails and roads. We'll have some roadvids too, but while the hills are so green, I think that's where the cameras will be rolling (figuratively speaking). -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Works www.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Stems and handling, short opinion on it
There's more to it than stem length. Width, height, tire weight and contact patch (affected by volume and pressure). With all those independent variables, it can drive you nuts or lead you on a search for a formula that will confuse people by the millions, but it's not necessary. You learn a bike by riding it in different conditions, seeing what it can do, seeing how much of a gap it leaves for you to fill in with technique. It's a rare bike that can't do all its maker intended, but sure, some ... leave smaller gaps. A single-speed with 23's leaves you a big gap when you ride on trails, but it can DO it. Steering gets lighter with: Wider bars Higher bars Lighter wheels Harder tires More nervous rider! I THINK, I'm not chiseling this in rock, that higher bars have more lightening effect (trying not to say twitchy because light is good and is what I mean)--than shorter stems. Based on my experiments and experience with this stuff, but your results may differ. Main thing is--get on the bike, ride it, learn it, fill in the gaps it leaves you and be glad you can! Dual suspension mountain bikes ridden by policement in airports: No gaps to fill. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Works www.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Bombadils and short stems
on 4/6/10 3:58 PM, happyriding at happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: I wonder if someone can speak to the concept of using short stems on big frames to get the reach right. The Bombadil has a longish top tube for me. With drop bars, if I want to sit more upright than on a road bike, for example when touring, I would have to use a very short stem. From what I've read that affects the handling--negatively. A large frame should have a 12, 13, or 14 cm stem so that one's weight is distributed properly between the front and rear. It seems like the Bombadil was designed for mustache bars that extend backwards, but how does that affect the handling? I've not heard that a short stem has a negative effect in and of itself. What size stem are you runnning on the Bombadil? As far as larger frames needing 120/30/40, that's going to depend a lot on where the rider is positioned. Saddle position with respect to the bottom bracket probably has a lot to do with weight distribution. Under tricky handling conditions, it seems to me the rider CG would tend to be a bit more dynamic. I've always found that if I need to add a little weight to the front end, that's relatively easy to do with a bit of body english. But, once I'm stuck out over the front of the bike with a longer stem, it's very difficult to get back and have as much control. Descents do that naturally, as your CG moves forward as the road points down. Stem length and bar width have always been more about comfort on the bike than anything to do with handling for me. I've always directed the bike primarily with my hips. Maybe I'm atypical, but on my moustache-rigged bike, I'm mostly on the forward section of the bars, except for climbing out of the saddle. Again, the more technical the terrain, the more I'm forward on the bars. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What was I thinking?!
on 4/6/10 1:02 PM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a 45 second movie from my commute to work this morning. San Francisco, Oakland, Alcatraz, and all the bridges present and accounted for. Pretty morning. http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4497088113/ Ha! I had made a sub-minute snippet on my way home Monday. Enjoyed the heck out of my newly Rich-built rear wheel on the Quickbeam - http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4496156940/ - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines The bike between her legs was like some hyper-evolved alien tail she'd somehow extruded, as though over patient centuries; a sweet and intricate bone-machine, grown Lexan-armored tires, near-frictionless bearings, and gas filled shocks. William Gibson - Virtual Light -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stems and handling, short opinion on it
Thank you Grant. Interesting, informative and helpful. Who would have ever thought so many variables effect bike handling ;) On Apr 7, 1:50 am, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: There's more to it than stem length. Width, height, tire weight and contact patch (affected by volume and pressure). With all those independent variables, it can drive you nuts or lead you on a search for a formula that will confuse people by the millions, but it's not necessary. You learn a bike by riding it in different conditions, seeing what it can do, seeing how much of a gap it leaves for you to fill in with technique. It's a rare bike that can't do all its maker intended, but sure, some ... leave smaller gaps. A single-speed with 23's leaves you a big gap when you ride on trails, but it can DO it. Steering gets lighter with: Wider bars Higher bars Lighter wheels Harder tires More nervous rider! I THINK, I'm not chiseling this in rock, that higher bars have more lightening effect (trying not to say twitchy because light is good and is what I mean)--than shorter stems. Based on my experiments and experience with this stuff, but your results may differ. Main thing is--get on the bike, ride it, learn it, fill in the gaps it leaves you and be glad you can! Dual suspension mountain bikes ridden by policement in airports: No gaps to fill. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Touring Advice Offered
I'm with you, Anne. That looks like an interesting route. I'm looking at doing it in sections, however. From: Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 11:06:50 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Touring Advice Offered Here's my question: Is anyone else waiting longingly for the new Sierra Cascades touring maps Adventure Cycling is about to put out? The ones that were supposed to be out in April, but now have been pushed back to early May? I forsee a trip using those maps this summer. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
It would be cool if they were offered again--wonder if Waterford will still be making them? My '99 Heron Road was my first Rivendell! And it still sees regular use-snapped this pic just a couple of days ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/4491289274/ Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of jinxed Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:14 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again! The Herons were really beautifully understated too. I was lucky to see one here in Denver while on a ride and it was gorgeous. I snapped a decent picture and used it as my desktop for a long while...then killed my laptop and lost it. Never did meet up with the owner. If you have/had an icy bluish grey 59ish Heron in Denver...I oogled your bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 22:26 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:51 PM, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote: Jan, I thoroughly enjoy BQ exactly the way it is. I hope it continues for many years. I bought all the back issues, and continue to re-read them frequently. These are not disposable periodicals. Along with the Rivendell Reader, they are reference materials - and I treasure them. Looking forward to your next book, too. Please keep up the great work. Hmm - buying all the backissues... That's an interesting idea. I did it, and have never regretted it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Trade: pristine B17 for a classic Flite or Turbo or San Marco Concours
I have a Concor Lite new never mounted that I would trade for your B17. On Apr 6, 6:57 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I've tried it for a couple of hundred miles and while the b17 that came stock on my Sam Hill is far, far FAR better than any B17 I've ridden before, it is still too obtrusive for my personal pants yabbies and I shall replace it with something better. Nice, honey brown, no scratches or discoloration. I don't know how many miles Sam Hill testers put on it at and around Riv Wld HQ, but I've not yet put quite 100 miles on it. Flite must be classic and pretty much as new; ditto for Turbo: no flash versions. Will also grudgingly entertain offers to buy. Thanks. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 BQ on the way
On Apr 7, 2010, at 12:12 AM, Mike wrote: Just remember, if you ran out of TP an iPhone isn't gonna help whereas if you had a paper copy of BQ... well, I'm just saying... if you were desperate... Hmm. Given the heavy, slick coated paper that BQ is printed upon. Well. Perhaps not is all I am saying. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up
Wow. Makes me want to turn the computer off and get out of my insane office enviorment and ride somewhere. GeorgeS On Apr 6, 8:30 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VR4KaDeAuI Jay, good job. I think that video highlights what's important about bikes, getting out and riding. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
Could you speak to your experience of how it is most appropriate to load a bicycle for: a. strictly road touring b. mixed terrain (dirt and road touring) What ratios of weight do you recommend in the front and rear? Thank you! Adam On Apr 6, 10:36 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: It is that time of year again. Many of us have probably started planning or dreaming about a summer tour. I'd like to offer my commitment for the next 5 days, until midnight on Sunday, April 11th, to address questions from anyone who is curious about loaded touring, has questions about gear, or other topics relevant to traveling and camping by bike. Riv related content - I tour on my RBW bikes and I don't meet many other Riv riders on the road! My motivation: I'm going through a difficult time right now with an aging and ill parent and I'm seeing my own opportunity for a summer tour slowly evaporate. I would love to have the productive distraction of helping others to realize their own dreams of travel by bike. I am not selling anything. My background: I work as a professor of adventure education at a small southwestern college. My entire adult life has been dedicated to teaching others how to enjoy and travel safely in the outdoors. I am a League of American Bicyclists Bike Ed instructor. I have traveled thousands of miles as a bike tourist and have spent years of my life living outdoors in remote wilderness. I have a Quickbeam, a Bombadil, and an Atlantis. I've toured with the last two. Rules of engagement and disclosure: Ask a question or questions via this forum or via a personal message to me. I clearly don't know everything and will say so when I don't know. If I don't have direct experience with something, I'll also say so. No BS. I expect to learn as well as share. As an open forum, anyone else with direct experience on a topic should feel free to weigh in or answer a question. If I get a question via email that I can't answer, I'll post it back to the group after asking permission from the sender. Please, don't answer a question with info that you've only heard or read about. Internet forums are already too full of that kind of second or third hand advice. That's one of the problems with getting good answers to bike touring questions. However, if you know of a great resource that's relevant (like RBW), please share it. I will try to check in on the RBW Owners Bunch no less than three times a day in order to answer questions. Moderator Jim: The RBW forum is the only internet forum I care to participate in. I appreciate the quality of thought and the civil discourse I find here. If you believe that my offer isn't an appropriate use of this forum, let me know and I'll retract my offer without a fuss. Professor Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Jay's latest H-vid, stuff in it?
The sideways skid from speed going into the washed out/hard-rutted trail section was great! Whew, long sentence. Mr. Hemmingway would not approve. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: It's a Sackville Medium, which by any standards is huge. He carries a tripod and clothes other things in it. He shoots with a Flip, although we recently got something fancier for other things---like the headbadge shot, with that focus-control--Nikon D5000? A DSLR, anyway, small and relatively cheap as they go. We'll use it for instructional videos where focus control is important. The tires on the bike: Schwalbe Fat Apple 700x60...which, he can speak for himself, but he mentioned to me that these are his favorite tires these days. Jay is a remakable rider, makes hard things look easy. The riding here is really good, and all of the bikes get tested on these trails and roads. We'll have some roadvids too, but while the hills are so green, I think that's where the cameras will be rolling (figuratively speaking). -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Works www.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
Ian Ray has already jumped in with one solution - filters. There are plenty on the market and most do an acceptable job. Main advantages of filters? Instant water (no wait time) and no chemical taste/ingestion. Disadvantages of filters? Usually a mechanical system that may fail or clog rendering the filter useless; higher weight than chemical filtration; most filters do not treat viruses (that requires water purification/chemicals). Because of the possibility for filters to clog or break, I always carry chemicals. Some filters are field maintainable/cleanable - that is a plus. Chemical methods are different - these chemically purify the water. My current favorite is Aquamira. Chemical purification methods are usually light weight and dependable. You do have a wait time that ranges from minutes to hours depending on the dosage, temperature of the water source and quality of the water. Since I always used to carry chemicals anyway as a back-up, I stopped using filters altogether and now just bring chemicals. Most US water sources in remote areas can be adequately treated with either method. In places where there is a lot of animal or human life using and contaminating the water source I usually choose chemical purification, though some fetid pools I've used have made me wish I had a filter as well! Lastly, it is possible to boil your water. In places where I can find or carry ample fuel and for modest quantities of water (solo trips in temperate conditions), this works well. I usually boil the water I need for the next day at night so that it can cool. It is important to note that simply bringing the water to a full boil is all that is required in order to treat it. There is no need to boil for any specific number of minutes. Dave On Apr 6, 11:00 pm, Ian Dickson iandicks...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the offer, Dave. What's your advice for getting safe drinking water on remote trips where you can't possibly carry enough and you have to get water from streams? Ian On Apr 6, 9:36 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: It is that time of year again. Many of us have probably started planning or dreaming about a summer tour. I'd like to offer my commitment for the next 5 days, until midnight on Sunday, April 11th, to address questions from anyone who is curious about loaded touring, has questions about gear, or other topics relevant to traveling and camping by bike. Riv related content - I tour on my RBW bikes and I don't meet many other Riv riders on the road! My motivation: I'm going through a difficult time right now with an aging and ill parent and I'm seeing my own opportunity for a summer tour slowly evaporate. I would love to have the productive distraction of helping others to realize their own dreams of travel by bike. I am not selling anything. My background: I work as a professor of adventure education at a small southwestern college. My entire adult life has been dedicated to teaching others how to enjoy and travel safely in the outdoors. I am a League of American Bicyclists Bike Ed instructor. I have traveled thousands of miles as a bike tourist and have spent years of my life living outdoors in remote wilderness. I have a Quickbeam, a Bombadil, and an Atlantis. I've toured with the last two. Rules of engagement and disclosure: Ask a question or questions via this forum or via a personal message to me. I clearly don't know everything and will say so when I don't know. If I don't have direct experience with something, I'll also say so. No BS. I expect to learn as well as share. As an open forum, anyone else with direct experience on a topic should feel free to weigh in or answer a question. If I get a question via email that I can't answer, I'll post it back to the group after asking permission from the sender. Please, don't answer a question with info that you've only heard or read about. Internet forums are already too full of that kind of second or third hand advice. That's one of the problems with getting good answers to bike touring questions. However, if you know of a great resource that's relevant (like RBW), please share it. I will try to check in on the RBW Owners Bunch no less than three times a day in order to answer questions. Moderator Jim: The RBW forum is the only internet forum I care to participate in. I appreciate the quality of thought and the civil discourse I find here. If you believe that my offer isn't an appropriate use of this forum, let me know and I'll retract my offer without a fuss. Professor Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] knives for bicycle parts
greetings all wanted to check in and see if any ya'll are interested in trading knives for bicycle parts i have a good selection of parts that would fit within the context of rbw (along with lots of other style bike parts as well) brooks saddles, vintage bits etc i am interested in vintage custom or older fixed blade style knives (not interested in folders for the most part) please contact offlist if you are interested and include what you have for trade pix would be welcome along with your want list thanks peace well behaved women rarely make history _ride yr friggin bicycle_ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
Yow. This one hurts. I had actually planned to ride a large portion of this route this summer. Looks like I'll have to put it on hold due to family med issues. I was eagerly awaiting the route maps. As and aside, lots of tourers seem to feel that they can't tour without the ACA maps and they slavishly follow the route. It is important to note that, while the ACA maps are great tools, the routes are neither inherently safer or more interesting than planning your own way. In fact, choosing your own adventure might be better. ACA routes see a lot of bike touring use. Locals become used to seeing bike tourers. Planning your own way through rural areas of the US can make you an instant local celebrity! Seriously, I toured the entire US back in the day with just a AAA map of the entire US. A lot of how we experience true adventure is through dealing with the unexpected. Dave On Apr 6, 11:06 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Here's my question: Is anyone else waiting longingly for the new Sierra Cascades touring maps Adventure Cycling is about to put out? The ones that were supposed to be out in April, but now have been pushed back to early May? I forsee a trip using those maps this summer. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Touring Advice Offered
Me too. This year, maybe the Crater Lake area to Truckee. The Crater Lake area is accessible by train. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm with you, Anne. That looks like an interesting route. I'm looking at doing it in sections, however. Here's my question: Is anyone else waiting longingly for the new Sierra Cascades touring maps Adventure Cycling is about to put out? The ones that were supposed to be out in April, but now have been pushed back to early May? I forsee a trip using those maps this summer. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Ian Ray has already jumped in with one solution - filters. There are plenty on the market and most do an acceptable job. Main advantages of filters? Instant water (no wait time) and no chemical taste/ingestion. Disadvantages of filters? Usually a mechanical system that may fail or clog rendering the filter useless; higher weight than chemical filtration; most filters do not treat viruses (that requires water purification/chemicals). What about the Steripen? -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stems and handling, short opinion on it
One of the things I've noticed about blame-the-bike syndrome is that riding with people who are *way* better than you will cure it *real* fast. This has especially been my experience in riding bmx. You'll be sitting there, cursing your crappy bike and wondering how you could improve it so you'd be a better rider, and then you'll see someone doing things that should be virtually impossible on *any* bike let alone the haggard piece of s**t they happened to be riding, with marginal hub-bearings remaining, 7 pound(!) frame 3 sizes too small, bars bent, down-tube massively dented, chainstays miles out of alignment, etc. Then you feel like a real a-hole for even beginning to blame your bike. Nevertheless, a lot of companies make their living convincing you that lighter/better bike will make you a better rider, though. One of the things that I dig about Rivendell is that they don't try to do that. They may try to convince you of a lot of other things, but not that! On Apr 7, 8:27 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Thank you Grant. Interesting, informative and helpful. Who would have ever thought so many variables effect bike handling ;) On Apr 7, 1:50 am, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: There's more to it than stem length. Width, height, tire weight and contact patch (affected by volume and pressure). With all those independent variables, it can drive you nuts or lead you on a search for a formula that will confuse people by the millions, but it's not necessary. You learn a bike by riding it in different conditions, seeing what it can do, seeing how much of a gap it leaves for you to fill in with technique. It's a rare bike that can't do all its maker intended, but sure, some ... leave smaller gaps. A single-speed with 23's leaves you a big gap when you ride on trails, but it can DO it. Steering gets lighter with: Wider bars Higher bars Lighter wheels Harder tires More nervous rider! I THINK, I'm not chiseling this in rock, that higher bars have more lightening effect (trying not to say twitchy because light is good and is what I mean)--than shorter stems. Based on my experiments and experience with this stuff, but your results may differ. Main thing is--get on the bike, ride it, learn it, fill in the gaps it leaves you and be glad you can! Dual suspension mountain bikes ridden by policement in airports: No gaps to fill. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
Tires - we like the Pasela tourguards and I've become a fan of the Schwalbe Marathon Supremes (50c). I don't have an odometer on any of my bikes so I don't know about our mileage/flat ratio. I can tell you that, together, my wife Pamela and I have had few enough flats over our last three summer tours (four months of riding total) for me to remember where and when each one occurred and what caused them - that's four flats total. Pamela has always used 32c Paselas (one flat). I used 37c Paselas one summer (no flats), 40c Schwalbe Marathon XR's one summer (1 flat), and Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 50c another summer (2 flats). I did get more flats with the supremes, but I spent the summer actually trying to puncture them! I had a stupid grin every time I rode the bike because the Bombadil felt like a balloon tire bomber with the supremes. Also note that when I'm not actively trying to get flats, I'm never particularly careful about avoiding punctures. Critters - Ortlieb panniers (back rollers) are pretty secure by themselves. I aromatic food items only go in one specific pannier or in a separate drybag I carry specifically for food. In places with serious critter problems - usually high use campgrounds - I hang our food, cosmetics and other attractive scented items, and trash in the food pannier and dry bag using nylon cord. In places with bad raccoon problems, we accept that the animals will open our packs and sometimes we leave the packs open to avoid damage. Without a reward, the animals always move on to easier marks. Protection - None. Nope. Nada. People are generally good and I go through life expecting that. One of the great realizations I had when I completed a solo bike tour across the US is how wonderful and generous the people I met were. I have had a few negative experiences, but none of these threatened my life or safety and are so overwhelmed by instances of random acts of kindness showed to me that I have trouble remembering them. Dave On Apr 6, 11:07 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Awesome. 1) What tires do you like? How many flats per 1,000 miles do you get? 2) How do you keep critters out of your stuff at night? 3) Do you carry any protection to ward off human predators? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Jay's latest H-vid, stuff in it?
I noticed that too. Jay looks to be a strong smooth rider. Again, well done on the video production. On Apr 7, 7:29 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: The sideways skid from speed going into the washed out/hard-rutted trail section was great! Whew, long sentence. Mr. Hemmingway would not approve. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
This is interesting. I chatted with Richard Schwinn about this last year, and he told me about this Bicycle Classics thing. I sent a couple emails at that time but received no response. ?? The funny thing is that just this last week, I heard rumors again, and it looks like Aaron's in Seattle is also advertising that they are resurrecting Heron. www.rideyourbike.com/heron.html ??? Sort of like Where is Waldo ... On Apr 6, 2:10 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: http://www.bicycleclassics.com/ Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom. Brief blurb, but it appears Bicycle Classics may be taking over production of the Heron bicycle which has been dormant since Todd Kuzma made the painful decision to stop production. I hope this is correct. Herons, whether made by Riv or Todd have always been great, sensible bikes for the money. Bicycle Classics is a nice operation. Greg (the proprietor) is a great and honest person who knows a lot about bikes. Only thing is maybe instead of Heron Greg should call it the Phoenix! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
I've never used a steripen, but I'd anticipate that it would be limited in the some of the same ways that filters are. It is a mechanical/electrical system that has the potential to fail, so I'd still carry a back-up. Still, I've always wanted to try one. Anyone have direct experience with the steripen? Dave On Apr 7, 7:43 am, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Ian Ray has already jumped in with one solution - filters. There are plenty on the market and most do an acceptable job. Main advantages of filters? Instant water (no wait time) and no chemical taste/ingestion. Disadvantages of filters? Usually a mechanical system that may fail or clog rendering the filter useless; higher weight than chemical filtration; most filters do not treat viruses (that requires water purification/chemicals). What about the Steripen? -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
Hmm. Waterford provides an inexpensive tig'd track/singlespeed frame for Bens Bikes to sell. (the Orange One) It's available with other branding from at least one other shop. Maybe they're (Waterford) is doing something similar with the Heron? Offering it to a few particular shops/dealers? Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Saturday Mark Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:26 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again! This is interesting. I chatted with Richard Schwinn about this last year, and he told me about this Bicycle Classics thing. I sent a couple emails at that time but received no response. ?? The funny thing is that just this last week, I heard rumors again, and it looks like Aaron's in Seattle is also advertising that they are resurrecting Heron. www.rideyourbike.com/heron.html ??? Sort of like Where is Waldo ... On Apr 6, 2:10 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: http://www.bicycleclassics.com/ Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom. Brief blurb, but it appears Bicycle Classics may be taking over production of the Heron bicycle which has been dormant since Todd Kuzma made the painful decision to stop production. I hope this is correct. Herons, whether made by Riv or Todd have always been great, sensible bikes for the money. Bicycle Classics is a nice operation. Greg (the proprietor) is a great and honest person who knows a lot about bikes. Only thing is maybe instead of Heron Greg should call it the Phoenix! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
Adam Loading - The first principle is to travel light overall - you'll have more fun. Ratios - I'm not super scientific about this, but Pamela and I both like the way our bikes handle with heavy, dense stuff packed in low rider panniers in the front, SMALL handlebar bags, and bulky lighter stuff in the back. We always keep the heavy stuff as low as possible and we avoid rack top loads when possible. As a starting point, let's call the loading 60% front and 40% rear. The idea is balanced weight while riding. By packing relatively heavy stuff up front, we balance the rider weight that is carried more over the rear wheel. With both wheels equally sharing the weight, the bike feels balanced on the road and the rear wheel is less likely to have problems. My solution is to mess with my packing system until the bike feels right - good steering response, combined with a balance feel and the acknowledgement that my rear wheel needs to be protected by sharing the weight more evenly between wheels. I have no experience with extensive off road touring. For dirt roads, the principles are the same as above. Dave On Apr 7, 7:17 am, Adam oceanm...@gmail.com wrote: Could you speak to your experience of how it is most appropriate to load a bicycle for: a. strictly road touring b. mixed terrain (dirt and road touring) What ratios of weight do you recommend in the front and rear? Thank you! Adam On Apr 6, 10:36 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: It is that time of year again. Many of us have probably started planning or dreaming about a summer tour. I'd like to offer my commitment for the next 5 days, until midnight on Sunday, April 11th, to address questions from anyone who is curious about loaded touring, has questions about gear, or other topics relevant to traveling and camping by bike. Riv related content - I tour on my RBW bikes and I don't meet many other Riv riders on the road! My motivation: I'm going through a difficult time right now with an aging and ill parent and I'm seeing my own opportunity for a summer tour slowly evaporate. I would love to have the productive distraction of helping others to realize their own dreams of travel by bike. I am not selling anything. My background: I work as a professor of adventure education at a small southwestern college. My entire adult life has been dedicated to teaching others how to enjoy and travel safely in the outdoors. I am a League of American Bicyclists Bike Ed instructor. I have traveled thousands of miles as a bike tourist and have spent years of my life living outdoors in remote wilderness. I have a Quickbeam, a Bombadil, and an Atlantis. I've toured with the last two. Rules of engagement and disclosure: Ask a question or questions via this forum or via a personal message to me. I clearly don't know everything and will say so when I don't know. If I don't have direct experience with something, I'll also say so. No BS. I expect to learn as well as share. As an open forum, anyone else with direct experience on a topic should feel free to weigh in or answer a question. If I get a question via email that I can't answer, I'll post it back to the group after asking permission from the sender. Please, don't answer a question with info that you've only heard or read about. Internet forums are already too full of that kind of second or third hand advice. That's one of the problems with getting good answers to bike touring questions. However, if you know of a great resource that's relevant (like RBW), please share it. I will try to check in on the RBW Owners Bunch no less than three times a day in order to answer questions. Moderator Jim: The RBW forum is the only internet forum I care to participate in. I appreciate the quality of thought and the civil discourse I find here. If you believe that my offer isn't an appropriate use of this forum, let me know and I'll retract my offer without a fuss. Professor Dave- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
It is hard to tell whether Aaron's site is up to date. Todd distributed Heron's mainly through LBSs - including Aaron's. It is possible that is an old picture not taken down. In my experience, Bicycle Classic is usually pretty good with communication. Possibly Greg is holding back until he has product. As we can see from elsewhere in this very forum, pre-production communications can lead to all sorts of issues. On Apr 7, 10:26 am, Saturday Mark saturdaycyc...@gmail.com wrote: This is interesting. I chatted with Richard Schwinn about this last year, and he told me about this Bicycle Classics thing. I sent a couple emails at that time but received no response. ?? The funny thing is that just this last week, I heard rumors again, and it looks like Aaron's in Seattle is also advertising that they are resurrecting Heron.www.rideyourbike.com/heron.html??? Sort of like Where is Waldo ... On Apr 6, 2:10 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: http://www.bicycleclassics.com/ Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom. Brief blurb, but it appears Bicycle Classics may be taking over production of the Heron bicycle which has been dormant since Todd Kuzma made the painful decision to stop production. I hope this is correct. Herons, whether made by Riv or Todd have always been great, sensible bikes for the money. Bicycle Classics is a nice operation. Greg (the proprietor) is a great and honest person who knows a lot about bikes. Only thing is maybe instead of Heron Greg should call it the Phoenix!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
Offering it to a few particular shops/dealers? That would be a nice project. Boulevard Bike in Chicago used to sell Herons. Not their main line, but they did decent business. The owner really enjoyed building and selling the bikes. On Apr 7, 10:34 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Hmm. Waterford provides an inexpensive tig'd track/singlespeed frame for Bens Bikes to sell. (the Orange One) It's available with other branding from at least one other shop. Maybe they're (Waterford) is doing something similar with the Heron? Offering it to a few particular shops/dealers? Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Saturday Mark Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:26 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again! This is interesting. I chatted with Richard Schwinn about this last year, and he told me about this Bicycle Classics thing. I sent a couple emails at that time but received no response. ?? The funny thing is that just this last week, I heard rumors again, and it looks like Aaron's in Seattle is also advertising that they are resurrecting Heron.www.rideyourbike.com/heron.html??? Sort of like Where is Waldo ... On Apr 6, 2:10 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: http://www.bicycleclassics.com/ Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom. Brief blurb, but it appears Bicycle Classics may be taking over production of the Heron bicycle which has been dormant since Todd Kuzma made the painful decision to stop production. I hope this is correct. Herons, whether made by Riv or Todd have always been great, sensible bikes for the money. Bicycle Classics is a nice operation. Greg (the proprietor) is a great and honest person who knows a lot about bikes. Only thing is maybe instead of Heron Greg should call it the Phoenix! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
I've toured quite a bit and have only one issue that I haven't figured out. Maintaining my chain on the road. My chain and rear changer get crazy dirty and mucky and overall junky. I bring a rag and lube and try to remember to clean the chain often, but once in camp the hunger usually sets in and I forget in the seting up and relaxing. So, what is the secret magic trick--and if you say just clean and lube every day I'll be a bit red in the face. Scott On Apr 7, 10:41 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Adam Loading - The first principle is to travel light overall - you'll have more fun. Ratios - I'm not super scientific about this, but Pamela and I both like the way our bikes handle with heavy, dense stuff packed in low rider panniers in the front, SMALL handlebar bags, and bulky lighter stuff in the back. We always keep the heavy stuff as low as possible and we avoid rack top loads when possible. As a starting point, let's call the loading 60% front and 40% rear. The idea is balanced weight while riding. By packing relatively heavy stuff up front, we balance the rider weight that is carried more over the rear wheel. With both wheels equally sharing the weight, the bike feels balanced on the road and the rear wheel is less likely to have problems. My solution is to mess with my packing system until the bike feels right - good steering response, combined with a balance feel and the acknowledgement that my rear wheel needs to be protected by sharing the weight more evenly between wheels. I have no experience with extensive off road touring. For dirt roads, the principles are the same as above. Dave On Apr 7, 7:17 am, Adam oceanm...@gmail.com wrote: Could you speak to your experience of how it is most appropriate to load a bicycle for: a. strictly road touring b. mixed terrain (dirt and road touring) What ratios of weight do you recommend in the front and rear? Thank you! Adam On Apr 6, 10:36 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: It is that time of year again. Many of us have probably started planning or dreaming about a summer tour. I'd like to offer my commitment for the next 5 days, until midnight on Sunday, April 11th, to address questions from anyone who is curious about loaded touring, has questions about gear, or other topics relevant to traveling and camping by bike. Riv related content - I tour on my RBW bikes and I don't meet many other Riv riders on the road! My motivation: I'm going through a difficult time right now with an aging and ill parent and I'm seeing my own opportunity for a summer tour slowly evaporate. I would love to have the productive distraction of helping others to realize their own dreams of travel by bike. I am not selling anything. My background: I work as a professor of adventure education at a small southwestern college. My entire adult life has been dedicated to teaching others how to enjoy and travel safely in the outdoors. I am a League of American Bicyclists Bike Ed instructor. I have traveled thousands of miles as a bike tourist and have spent years of my life living outdoors in remote wilderness. I have a Quickbeam, a Bombadil, and an Atlantis. I've toured with the last two. Rules of engagement and disclosure: Ask a question or questions via this forum or via a personal message to me. I clearly don't know everything and will say so when I don't know. If I don't have direct experience with something, I'll also say so. No BS. I expect to learn as well as share. As an open forum, anyone else with direct experience on a topic should feel free to weigh in or answer a question. If I get a question via email that I can't answer, I'll post it back to the group after asking permission from the sender. Please, don't answer a question with info that you've only heard or read about. Internet forums are already too full of that kind of second or third hand advice. That's one of the problems with getting good answers to bike touring questions. However, if you know of a great resource that's relevant (like RBW), please share it. I will try to check in on the RBW Owners Bunch no less than three times a day in order to answer questions. Moderator Jim: The RBW forum is the only internet forum I care to participate in. I appreciate the quality of thought and the civil discourse I find here. If you believe that my offer isn't an appropriate use of this forum, let me know and I'll retract my offer without a fuss. Professor Dave- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: [RBW] Touring Advice Offered
on 4/6/10 10:36 PM, Dave Craig at dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Moderator Jim: The RBW forum is the only internet forum I care to participate in. I appreciate the quality of thought and the civil discourse I find here. If you believe that my offer isn't an appropriate use of this forum, let me know and I'll retract my offer without a fuss. Well, since this bit was directed at me, I guess I need to dust off my epaulettes and respond... ;^) In the strictest sense, this has a high possibility of being outside the realm of this group. To put it plainly, a touring topic stream not related to Rivendell products isn't within the confines of the definition. Dedicated to the discussion of Rivendell Bicycles and products, you don't need to own one - just an interest in RBW designs is enough to join in. Ride reports encouraged, as is a respectful, supportive and polite tone in all posts. That being said, I do realize that (a) Riv sells bike camping products, (b) many people's enthusiasm for certain Riv models is specifically for the touring capabilities, camping and S24O adaptability, and (c) there are active touring folks on this list. I have to rely upon you and the others who contribute positively in this forum to be mindful of balancing those two thoughts. If we're discussing Touring in the Capital T sense, I'd suggest having the conversation over at the Touring group on phred.org (graciously hosted by alex who also hosts/moderates the iBob list). http://www.phred.org/mailman/listinfo/touring One of the things I feel very strongly about, and have mentioned in the various State of the List reports, is that the strength and quality of this group discussion has a lot to do with the narrowness and specificity of the topic. http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/sotlr This list began as a subset of the iBob list (again, initially hosted on the phred.org servers) specifically because people wanted to talk about Rivendell designs and products without dealing with the waves of sniping comments by naysayers who didn't necessarily care about RBW products. The gen1 RBW list grew, became a bit fractured, then began to implode because it was becoming a mini-iBob list - replicating the conversations on the iBob list, but idoing so in a smaller venue where folks knew one another. The problem was that the tone was nicer, and the quality of response was generally reasoned, so people felt more comfortable asking questions of the RBW group. When some fairly caustic exchanges took place, Rivendell and alex decided to pull the plug. Generally, the discussion topics weren't Rivendell related and the tone had taken a decided turn for the worst. At that point, a number of us felt that the initial idea was a valid one. After emailing both alex and RBW to make sure it was ok, I fired up this group, which is where we are now. In one sense, we're a bit victimized by the quality of discussion on this list. I've been involved with online groups and lists and such for a while, and it is a rare thing when positive discussions can be maintained with a high signal to noise ratio. We're doing that here. A number of members have recognized that as well, which they've been kind enough to share with me privately. A great number of people on this list have a lot of knowledge in many areas of bicycling - frame design, history, technique, etc. When they respond to questions or share experience within the framework of this group, everyone benefits. That's how this list has grown to its current size and retained its direct and positive feel. To continue that growth, to retain the positive and focused nature of this list, I think it's important to maintain the Rivendell component of this discussion as topic number one. Rivendell: Touring is probably the way I'd see it working. To the extent that it becomes a discussion of Touring in general, non-RBW products and tips and trends in the general universe of Bicycle Touring, it strikes me as off-topic by definition, and therefore best discussed elsewhere - tour...@phred.org, a new google group, blog or a combination of those things. If you decide to follow it up that way - i.e. starting a blog or new group - email me directly. I'd be glad to help you think about how to structure that, and I think it could be an asset to many. I'm sorry to hear about your situation with your parent, and you have my thoughts and best wishes in dealing with that. - Jim / List Admin -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Jay's latest H-vid, stuff in it?
I've been looking at those Schwalbe Big Apples in 29x2.0 for the Hillborne. I think they will fit fine. I'm riding 700x40 Smart Sams and there seems to be a cm on each side of clearance. It looks from the Video that they do just fine off road too. ~Mike~ On Apr 7, 8:25 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed that too. Jay looks to be a strong smooth rider. Again, well done on the video production. On Apr 7, 7:29 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: The sideways skid from speed going into the washed out/hard-rutted trail section was great! Whew, long sentence. Mr. Hemmingway would not approve.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
My old LBS! Nate rides a nice Heron Tour over at BLVD. He went to Italy last year and has some really nice pictures of the trip. I love that bike! On Apr 7, 10:45 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Offering it to a few particular shops/dealers? That would be a nice project. Boulevard Bike in Chicago used to sell Herons. Not their main line, but they did decent business. The owner really enjoyed building and selling the bikes. On Apr 7, 10:34 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Hmm. Waterford provides an inexpensive tig'd track/singlespeed frame for Bens Bikes to sell. (the Orange One) It's available with other branding from at least one other shop. Maybe they're (Waterford) is doing something similar with the Heron? Offering it to a few particular shops/dealers? Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Saturday Mark Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:26 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again! This is interesting. I chatted with Richard Schwinn about this last year, and he told me about this Bicycle Classics thing. I sent a couple emails at that time but received no response. ?? The funny thing is that just this last week, I heard rumors again, and it looks like Aaron's in Seattle is also advertising that they are resurrecting Heron.www.rideyourbike.com/heron.html??? Sort of like Where is Waldo ... On Apr 6, 2:10 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: http://www.bicycleclassics.com/ Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom. Brief blurb, but it appears Bicycle Classics may be taking over production of the Heron bicycle which has been dormant since Todd Kuzma made the painful decision to stop production. I hope this is correct. Herons, whether made by Riv or Todd have always been great, sensible bikes for the money. Bicycle Classics is a nice operation. Greg (the proprietor) is a great and honest person who knows a lot about bikes. Only thing is maybe instead of Heron Greg should call it the Phoenix! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendell Ri de! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
I've posted a little preview, perhaps worth a look: http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/sdcbs-preview/ Folks, also - our ride is featured also on the Rough Riders site. Thanks, Chris! http://www.xo-1.org/2010/04/rough-riders-rally-on-adventure-cycling.html Looking forward to it. We'll take lots of photos for those of you who can't make it. By the way, Riv was thinking of coming down for the show. Maybe next year! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 6, 6:52 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I believe I might have mentioned it... :-) On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: David - didn't you *suggest* (ie. peer pressure) me to add it to the SDCBS website!? Hopefully the old Volvo makes it down from SF just fine on Saturday (knock on wood trim on the dash). This will be a fun day. Come on down! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 8:50 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Serious promotion! The pressure's on, Esteban! On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:55 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: With that listing, the turnout may exceed last years.by a lot! Next thing we'll need are route slips. See you Sunday. Hey, this will be 3 Riv rides in 3 weeks - cool! dougP On Apr 5, 10:38 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Our ride is onvthe show website! http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Esteban Sam Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 7:44 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, yeah. That too. Most of my rides were early in the morning, so that wasn't as much a distraction. Also had a fun time watching some dolphins play in the surf. Something you definitely cannot see around here. Although on my ride around Lake Pepin on the Hillborne, saw more bald eagles than I have in the past few years near Maiden Rock (the feature, not the town). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 10:21 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Still in the Bay Area (down mid-week to teach, then up here later this week for a conference -- whew! I guess the 'quake was upgraded to a 7.2. The San Diego/Tijuana megalopolis shrugs it off. My mother reported, like Dustin, that it was quite a shake. 30 seconds. So... the SDCBS is STILL ON!!! Eric - when I ride along the boardwalk in Mission Beach, I must admit, its not the houses I'm gawking at. I like the visions your memories evoke, though! Its easy to take one's hometown for granted. Thanks for the wake-up call. San Diego, Calif. On Apr 4, 6:27 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: What a coincidence! Those are all events I would like to have repeated as well! On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:01 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: I know. Just want to ride it again. (Okay, and ride back up to Mission Beach and gawk at the houses on the beach. And ride to Coronado. And stop on the southern part of the loop to photograph the old railroad depot. And have another beer at the restaurant we stopped at. And . . .grin ) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 6:16 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Eric--some of this is the route we did last year. Gonna be fun. On Apr 4, 5:48 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Wish I wasn't 3,000 or so miles away. Would love to get back out there and particpate in those rides. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 12:17 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Forget the fact that I don't know what size bikes I ride. Let's ride, drink beer, and see fancy bikes! Highlights - Mixed terrain urban route! Velo Cult! Craft Beers! Big Time Bicycle Show! Last year, the SDCBS was a fantastic event - featuring framebuilders new and old (figuratively and literally), and a nice Riv custom in the Joe Bell booth. A few of us rode a loop around San Diego Bay. This is going to be a great event, and I hope some list members make some of the show: http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Of, course, the So Cal Rivendell Bicycle Appreciation Society will hold court on Sunday morning (April 11) for a mid city mixie. For those who want to see the ocean and enjoy a bit more of a ride, we'll meet at 9am at the Mission Bay Visitors Center and do this loop (San Diego River, Ocean Beach, Sunset Cliffs, Pt. Loma, Downtown)... then, we'll pick people up at the train station.
Re: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
I'm curious about what lugs are going to be used. I always thought the seat/top tube/stay lug was very interesting. I'm sure it saved labor since the seat stay cap was integrated into the lug but in terms of form following function (I guess the brazer's function), it looked like a great utilitarian design. James On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:59 AM, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote: My old LBS! Nate rides a nice Heron Tour over at BLVD. He went to Italy last year and has some really nice pictures of the trip. I love that bike! On Apr 7, 10:45 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Offering it to a few particular shops/dealers? That would be a nice project. Boulevard Bike in Chicago used to sell Herons. Not their main line, but they did decent business. The owner really enjoyed building and selling the bikes. On Apr 7, 10:34 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Hmm. Waterford provides an inexpensive tig'd track/singlespeed frame for Bens Bikes to sell. (the Orange One) It's available with other branding from at least one other shop. Maybe they're (Waterford) is doing something similar with the Heron? Offering it to a few particular shops/dealers? Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Saturday Mark Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:26 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again! This is interesting. I chatted with Richard Schwinn about this last year, and he told me about this Bicycle Classics thing. I sent a couple emails at that time but received no response. ?? The funny thing is that just this last week, I heard rumors again, and it looks like Aaron's in Seattle is also advertising that they are resurrecting Heron.www.rideyourbike.com/heron.html?http://heron.www.rideyourbike.com/heron.html? ?? Sort of like Where is Waldo ... On Apr 6, 2:10 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: http://www.bicycleclassics.com/ Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom. Brief blurb, but it appears Bicycle Classics may be taking over production of the Heron bicycle which has been dormant since Todd Kuzma made the painful decision to stop production. I hope this is correct. Herons, whether made by Riv or Todd have always been great, sensible bikes for the money. Bicycle Classics is a nice operation. Greg (the proprietor) is a great and honest person who knows a lot about bikes. Only thing is maybe instead of Heron Greg should call it the Phoenix! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
I am planning a modest ride this summer from NE Vermont to Montreal and back. I have a Rambouillet and a Atlantis. A couple of questions: 1. I would prefer to ride the Ram but it's not a major thing. Given the fact that I'm going to be on good roads, is there enough difference between the bikes to make me go with the Atlantis? 2. I have a Nitto front rack and several boxy style front bags. I don't have any rack for front panniers and zero experience with them. Recommendations on rack and front panniers? 3. I am planning on using a Carradice Nelson Longflap on the rear but no rear panniers. Any problem with that? Sorry about your family situation. I've been through that twice. Thanks for offering your advice. GeorgeS On Apr 7, 10:41 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Adam Loading - The first principle is to travel light overall - you'll have more fun. Ratios - I'm not super scientific about this, but Pamela and I both like the way our bikes handle with heavy, dense stuff packed in low rider panniers in the front, SMALL handlebar bags, and bulky lighter stuff in the back. We always keep the heavy stuff as low as possible and we avoid rack top loads when possible. As a starting point, let's call the loading 60% front and 40% rear. The idea is balanced weight while riding. By packing relatively heavy stuff up front, we balance the rider weight that is carried more over the rear wheel. With both wheels equally sharing the weight, the bike feels balanced on the road and the rear wheel is less likely to have problems. My solution is to mess with my packing system until the bike feels right - good steering response, combined with a balance feel and the acknowledgement that my rear wheel needs to be protected by sharing the weight more evenly between wheels. I have no experience with extensive off road touring. For dirt roads, the principles are the same as above. Dave On Apr 7, 7:17 am, Adam oceanm...@gmail.com wrote: Could you speak to your experience of how it is most appropriate to load a bicycle for: a. strictly road touring b. mixed terrain (dirt and road touring) What ratios of weight do you recommend in the front and rear? Thank you! Adam On Apr 6, 10:36 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: It is that time of year again. Many of us have probably started planning or dreaming about a summer tour. I'd like to offer my commitment for the next 5 days, until midnight on Sunday, April 11th, to address questions from anyone who is curious about loaded touring, has questions about gear, or other topics relevant to traveling and camping by bike. Riv related content - I tour on my RBW bikes and I don't meet many other Riv riders on the road! My motivation: I'm going through a difficult time right now with an aging and ill parent and I'm seeing my own opportunity for a summer tour slowly evaporate. I would love to have the productive distraction of helping others to realize their own dreams of travel by bike. I am not selling anything. My background: I work as a professor of adventure education at a small southwestern college. My entire adult life has been dedicated to teaching others how to enjoy and travel safely in the outdoors. I am a League of American Bicyclists Bike Ed instructor. I have traveled thousands of miles as a bike tourist and have spent years of my life living outdoors in remote wilderness. I have a Quickbeam, a Bombadil, and an Atlantis. I've toured with the last two. Rules of engagement and disclosure: Ask a question or questions via this forum or via a personal message to me. I clearly don't know everything and will say so when I don't know. If I don't have direct experience with something, I'll also say so. No BS. I expect to learn as well as share. As an open forum, anyone else with direct experience on a topic should feel free to weigh in or answer a question. If I get a question via email that I can't answer, I'll post it back to the group after asking permission from the sender. Please, don't answer a question with info that you've only heard or read about. Internet forums are already too full of that kind of second or third hand advice. That's one of the problems with getting good answers to bike touring questions. However, if you know of a great resource that's relevant (like RBW), please share it. I will try to check in on the RBW Owners Bunch no less than three times a day in order to answer questions. Moderator Jim: The RBW forum is the only internet forum I care to participate in. I appreciate the quality of thought and the civil discourse I find here. If you believe that my offer isn't an appropriate use of this forum, let me know and I'll retract my offer without a fuss. Professor Dave- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
If waterproof-ness (or Ortlieb's level of waterproof-ness) isn't a must-have, then what about the offerings from Lone Peak and/or Arkel? From what I've read, the Lone Peaks are lighter than most, and quite serviceable for 2-3x/week use (25 miles round/trip). On Apr 6, 9:46 pm, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: For whatever it's worth: Three kinds of pannier people... 1. Those that buy something other than Ortlieb [refer to #3]. 2. Those that buy Ortlieb first. 3. Those that bought something other than Ortlieb before they then bought their current panniers, Ortlieb. They work, they are waterproof, they mount great and stay mounted... it's just that easy. Really. On Apr 4, 7:45 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I had pretty much decided to get some Ortliebs, but then I read this thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-270129.html which points out that waterproof may not be such a good thing in hot weather. What are some good non-waterproof panniers? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Trade: pristine B17 for a classic Flite or Turbo or San Marco Concours
I have two flite classics, but they are not as new. One is blue with kevlar fabric corners. Email me if you care to discuss. On Apr 6, 5:57 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I've tried it for a couple of hundred miles and while the b17 that came stock on my Sam Hill is far, far FAR better than any B17 I've ridden before, it is still too obtrusive for my personal pants yabbies and I shall replace it with something better. Nice, honey brown, no scratches or discoloration. I don't know how many miles Sam Hill testers put on it at and around Riv Wld HQ, but I've not yet put quite 100 miles on it. Flite must be classic and pretty much as new; ditto for Turbo: no flash versions. Will also grudgingly entertain offers to buy. Thanks. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
For commuting, unless you are only going to have a pannier on one side of the bike, panniers that attach at the top such as the Brooks and the Laplander: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4790070id=197328405989 may be the better option. Saves you the time of attaching and detaching both panniers if you do not feel good about leaving them on the bike. The roll up feature is nice when riding with them empty. For touring, I agree with 'Me'. Ortliebs are very hard to beat. On Apr 7, 11:19 am, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: If waterproof-ness (or Ortlieb's level of waterproof-ness) isn't a must-have, then what about the offerings from Lone Peak and/or Arkel? From what I've read, the Lone Peaks are lighter than most, and quite serviceable for 2-3x/week use (25 miles round/trip). On Apr 6, 9:46 pm, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: For whatever it's worth: Three kinds of pannier people... 1. Those that buy something other than Ortlieb [refer to #3]. 2. Those that buy Ortlieb first. 3. Those that bought something other than Ortlieb before they then bought their current panniers, Ortlieb. They work, they are waterproof, they mount great and stay mounted... it's just that easy. Really. On Apr 4, 7:45 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I had pretty much decided to get some Ortliebs, but then I read this thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-270129.html which points out that waterproof may not be such a good thing in hot weather. What are some good non-waterproof panniers? Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
On Apr 6, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: http://www.bicycleclassics.com/ Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom. I couldn't find it - has it been removed? Murry Love wrote: That is good news. Even better, I note that these Herons will use non-oversize tubing, while I believe the originals used OS road tubing. That's correct Murry. It would be a fine improvement. I was agast upon recieving my NOS frame a few years back that the downtube was OS. I mean my RB-T is .284. It was a step back IMHO for the Heron to be .325+/- It seemed to lack something my RB-T still thrills me with today. On a Side Note: Steve Frederick wrote: Hmm. Waterford provides an inexpensive tig'd track/singlespeed frame for Bens Bikes to sell. (the Orange One) It's available with other branding from at least one other shop. Are these still being sold by Ben's? Who else carries them? Phil B Sonoma County -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
As to choosing between the Atlantis and the Ram, is it possible to do a loaded ride with each bike and see how you like the handling? I love my Atlantis and think it's absolutely perfect for loaded touring, but YMMV. Whichever bike you choose, I suggest 35mm tires and fenders. I can't remember whether those work on a Ram, but if they don't, that would be one reason to pick the Atlantis. I tour with both front panniers and a handlebar bag. I find if I put too much weight in the handlebar bag, I get a shimmy. So if you're planning to load up your handlebar bag, test the configuration beforehand on downhills to make sure the handling is what you want. You'll get a variety of opinions on how much carrying capacity you need. I like to carry a lot of stuff, but plenty of tourists are happy with a minimal load. I suggest figuring out what you plan to bring and seeing whether it will fit in the panniers you have. I like Ortlieb bags for front and rear. It only takes one big rainstorm with other panniers to demonstrate the superiority of Ortlieb. When figuring out how big your panniers and bags need to be, *don't forget extra space*. How will you carry the sixpack, chips and dinner you buy in the afternoon? How will you carry the fruit, loaf of bread, three peaches, cheese and bag of cookies for lunch? Where will you jam your sweater and jacket when you take them off midmorning? On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:18 AM, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I am planning a modest ride this summer from NE Vermont to Montreal and back. I have a Rambouillet and a Atlantis. A couple of questions: 1. I would prefer to ride the Ram but it's not a major thing. Given the fact that I'm going to be on good roads, is there enough difference between the bikes to make me go with the Atlantis? 2. I have a Nitto front rack and several boxy style front bags. I don't have any rack for front panniers and zero experience with them. Recommendations on rack and front panniers? 3. I am planning on using a Carradice Nelson Longflap on the rear but no rear panniers. Any problem with that? Sorry about your family situation. I've been through that twice. Thanks for offering your advice. GeorgeS On Apr 7, 10:41 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Adam Loading - The first principle is to travel light overall - you'll have more fun. Ratios - I'm not super scientific about this, but Pamela and I both like the way our bikes handle with heavy, dense stuff packed in low rider panniers in the front, SMALL handlebar bags, and bulky lighter stuff in the back. We always keep the heavy stuff as low as possible and we avoid rack top loads when possible. As a starting point, let's call the loading 60% front and 40% rear. The idea is balanced weight while riding. By packing relatively heavy stuff up front, we balance the rider weight that is carried more over the rear wheel. With both wheels equally sharing the weight, the bike feels balanced on the road and the rear wheel is less likely to have problems. My solution is to mess with my packing system until the bike feels right - good steering response, combined with a balance feel and the acknowledgement that my rear wheel needs to be protected by sharing the weight more evenly between wheels. I have no experience with extensive off road touring. For dirt roads, the principles are the same as above. Dave On Apr 7, 7:17 am, Adam oceanm...@gmail.com wrote: Could you speak to your experience of how it is most appropriate to load a bicycle for: a. strictly road touring b. mixed terrain (dirt and road touring) What ratios of weight do you recommend in the front and rear? Thank you! Adam On Apr 6, 10:36 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: It is that time of year again. Many of us have probably started planning or dreaming about a summer tour. I'd like to offer my commitment for the next 5 days, until midnight on Sunday, April 11th, to address questions from anyone who is curious about loaded touring, has questions about gear, or other topics relevant to traveling and camping by bike. Riv related content - I tour on my RBW bikes and I don't meet many other Riv riders on the road! My motivation: I'm going through a difficult time right now with an aging and ill parent and I'm seeing my own opportunity for a summer tour slowly evaporate. I would love to have the productive distraction of helping others to realize their own dreams of travel by bike. I am not selling anything. My background: I work as a professor of adventure education at a small southwestern college. My entire adult life has been dedicated to teaching others how to enjoy and travel safely in the outdoors. I am a League of American Bicyclists Bike Ed instructor. I have traveled thousands of miles as a bike tourist and have spent years of my life living outdoors in remote wilderness. I have a Quickbeam, a Bombadil,
[RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
I couldn't find it - has it been removed? Right column on the computer side. Left hand for you. Just a short paragraph in black italics under the one sentence paragraph that starts with Caliente and above the one sentence paragraph in blue that starts with Bicycle Classics. On Apr 7, 11:42 am, Phil Bickford phi...@sonic.net wrote: On Apr 6, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: http://www.bicycleclassics.com/ Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom. I couldn't find it - has it been removed? Murry Love wrote: That is good news. Even better, I note that these Herons will use non-oversize tubing, while I believe the originals used OS road tubing. That's correct Murry. It would be a fine improvement. I was agast upon recieving my NOS frame a few years back that the downtube was OS. I mean my RB-T is .284. It was a step back IMHO for the Heron to be .325+/- It seemed to lack something my RB-T still thrills me with today. On a Side Note: Steve Frederick wrote: Hmm. Waterford provides an inexpensive tig'd track/singlespeed frame for Bens Bikes to sell. (the Orange One) It's available with other branding from at least one other shop. Are these still being sold by Ben's? Who else carries them? Phil B Sonoma County -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Phil Bickford phi...@sonic.net wrote: On Apr 6, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: http://www.bicycleclassics.com/ Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom. I couldn't find it - has it been removed? just search for the word 'heron' on the page. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
Slightly OT - Have any of you figured a handy way to get your dry cleaning home by bike? The dry cleaner walking distance from my house hates buttons with a passion. My new MUSA Rail shirt is missing the collar button an I only wore it twice. It is easy enough to pack dirty laundry in the panniers. Bringing it back you do not want to fold lest everything get wrinkled. I worry the plastic of clothes will get caught in the spokes or chain if I hang it over the back. On Apr 7, 11:38 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: For commuting, unless you are only going to have a pannier on one side of the bike, panniers that attach at the top such as the Brooks and the Laplander: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4790070id=197328405989 may be the better option. Saves you the time of attaching and detaching both panniers if you do not feel good about leaving them on the bike. The roll up feature is nice when riding with them empty. For touring, I agree with 'Me'. Ortliebs are very hard to beat. On Apr 7, 11:19 am, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: If waterproof-ness (or Ortlieb's level of waterproof-ness) isn't a must-have, then what about the offerings from Lone Peak and/or Arkel? From what I've read, the Lone Peaks are lighter than most, and quite serviceable for 2-3x/week use (25 miles round/trip). On Apr 6, 9:46 pm, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: For whatever it's worth: Three kinds of pannier people... 1. Those that buy something other than Ortlieb [refer to #3]. 2. Those that buy Ortlieb first. 3. Those that bought something other than Ortlieb before they then bought their current panniers, Ortlieb. They work, they are waterproof, they mount great and stay mounted... it's just that easy. Really. On Apr 4, 7:45 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I had pretty much decided to get some Ortliebs, but then I read this thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-270129.html which points out that waterproof may not be such a good thing in hot weather. What are some good non-waterproof panniers? Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
You can with an iPad :-) On Apr 6, 6:50 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 21:27 -0700, doug peterson wrote: Paper is good. It's wonderful to find BQ drop thru the mail slot, a bit like Christmas but 4X per year. An e-mail notice that your new BQ is now available in PDF wouldn't be the same. Your current mix and balance of topics suits me. I've learned a lot of interesting stuff reading BQ. Can't read a PDF in bed or in the bathroom. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendell Ri de! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
For those that are attending the show today is the last day to buy tickets at a 20% discount at their website. It saves $3 per person buying in advance. http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ It should be a great show. The ride before will be fun too, although we may get some sprinkles if the weather report holds true ( and it usually doesn't) ~Mike~ On Apr 7, 9:12 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: I've posted a little preview, perhaps worth a look: http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/sdcbs-preview/ Folks, also - our ride is featured also on the Rough Riders site. Thanks, Chris! http://www.xo-1.org/2010/04/rough-riders-rally-on-adventure-cycling.html Looking forward to it. We'll take lots of photos for those of you who can't make it. By the way, Riv was thinking of coming down for the show. Maybe next year! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 6, 6:52 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I believe I might have mentioned it... :-) On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: David - didn't you *suggest* (ie. peer pressure) me to add it to the SDCBS website!? Hopefully the old Volvo makes it down from SF just fine on Saturday (knock on wood trim on the dash). This will be a fun day. Come on down! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 8:50 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Serious promotion! The pressure's on, Esteban! On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:55 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: With that listing, the turnout may exceed last years.by a lot! Next thing we'll need are route slips. See you Sunday. Hey, this will be 3 Riv rides in 3 weeks - cool! dougP On Apr 5, 10:38 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Our ride is onvthe show website! http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Esteban Sam Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 7:44 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, yeah. That too. Most of my rides were early in the morning, so that wasn't as much a distraction. Also had a fun time watching some dolphins play in the surf. Something you definitely cannot see around here. Although on my ride around Lake Pepin on the Hillborne, saw more bald eagles than I have in the past few years near Maiden Rock (the feature, not the town). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 10:21 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Still in the Bay Area (down mid-week to teach, then up here later this week for a conference -- whew! I guess the 'quake was upgraded to a 7.2. The San Diego/Tijuana megalopolis shrugs it off. My mother reported, like Dustin, that it was quite a shake. 30 seconds. So... the SDCBS is STILL ON!!! Eric - when I ride along the boardwalk in Mission Beach, I must admit, its not the houses I'm gawking at. I like the visions your memories evoke, though! Its easy to take one's hometown for granted. Thanks for the wake-up call. San Diego, Calif. On Apr 4, 6:27 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: What a coincidence! Those are all events I would like to have repeated as well! On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:01 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: I know. Just want to ride it again. (Okay, and ride back up to Mission Beach and gawk at the houses on the beach. And ride to Coronado. And stop on the southern part of the loop to photograph the old railroad depot. And have another beer at the restaurant we stopped at. And . . .grin ) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 6:16 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Eric--some of this is the route we did last year. Gonna be fun. On Apr 4, 5:48 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Wish I wasn't 3,000 or so miles away. Would love to get back out there and particpate in those rides. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 12:17 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Forget the fact that I don't know what size bikes I ride. Let's ride, drink beer, and see fancy bikes! Highlights - Mixed terrain urban route! Velo Cult! Craft Beers! Big Time Bicycle Show! Last year, the SDCBS was a fantastic event - featuring framebuilders new and old (figuratively and literally), and a nice Riv custom in the Joe Bell booth. A few of us rode a loop around San Diego Bay. This is going to be a great event, and I hope some list members make some of the
[RBW] Re: Stems and handling, short opinion on it
To add to that list of variables: Fork rake / Trail. Weight of front-end load (if any). With my recently-purchased 1982 Trek 614 with 55mm of fork rake and trail of about 48mm it is noticeably easier to ride no-hands with ten pounds in the handlebar bag than on either of my other road bikes (Gunnar Sport, with trail of 62, or Riv Rambouillet, with trail of 57). I'm not sure if that means the steering is lighter but it sure means that there is less of a gap that I have to fill with technique when I'm riding with the handlebar bag. All three bikes have the same width bars set at the same height relative to saddle, same wheels and tires. I don't think I'm any less or more nervous on one bike than the other :-) I haven't ridden the Trek on a brevet, yet. The Ram is my go-to bike for brevets, but the Gunnar has couplers so it is my travel brevet bike. Nick On Apr 7, 8:27 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Thank you Grant. Interesting, informative and helpful. Who would have ever thought so many variables effect bike handling ;) On Apr 7, 1:50 am, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: There's more to it than stem length. Width, height, tire weight and contact patch (affected by volume and pressure). With all those independent variables, it can drive you nuts or lead you on a search for a formula that will confuse people by the millions, but it's not necessary. You learn a bike by riding it in different conditions, seeing what it can do, seeing how much of a gap it leaves for you to fill in with technique. It's a rare bike that can't do all its maker intended, but sure, some ... leave smaller gaps. A single-speed with 23's leaves you a big gap when you ride on trails, but it can DO it. Steering gets lighter with: Wider bars Higher bars Lighter wheels Harder tires More nervous rider! I THINK, I'm not chiseling this in rock, that higher bars have more lightening effect (trying not to say twitchy because light is good and is what I mean)--than shorter stems. Based on my experiments and experience with this stuff, but your results may differ. Main thing is--get on the bike, ride it, learn it, fill in the gaps it leaves you and be glad you can! Dual suspension mountain bikes ridden by policement in airports: No gaps to fill. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
We have indoor bike storage facilities at work. On Apr 7, 10:38 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: For commuting, unless you are only going to have a pannier on one side of the bike, panniers that attach at the top such as the Brooks and the Laplander: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4790070id=197328405989 may be the better option. Saves you the time of attaching and detaching both panniers if you do not feel good about leaving them on the bike. The roll up feature is nice when riding with them empty. For touring, I agree with 'Me'. Ortliebs are very hard to beat. On Apr 7, 11:19 am, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: If waterproof-ness (or Ortlieb's level of waterproof-ness) isn't a must-have, then what about the offerings from Lone Peak and/or Arkel? From what I've read, the Lone Peaks are lighter than most, and quite serviceable for 2-3x/week use (25 miles round/trip). On Apr 6, 9:46 pm, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: For whatever it's worth: Three kinds of pannier people... 1. Those that buy something other than Ortlieb [refer to #3]. 2. Those that buy Ortlieb first. 3. Those that bought something other than Ortlieb before they then bought their current panniers, Ortlieb. They work, they are waterproof, they mount great and stay mounted... it's just that easy. Really. On Apr 4, 7:45 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I had pretty much decided to get some Ortliebs, but then I read this thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-270129.html which points out that waterproof may not be such a good thing in hot weather. What are some good non-waterproof panniers? Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
Thanks for your assistance and suggestions. I just figured 'right hand.' It's been a while, Red,Right,Returning.. Phil -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
George: +1 to Anne's suggestion for a test to select the bike. Based on my 7 years touring experience on my Atlantis, it'll definitely work for you. Do some test rides to see how you like the weight distributed. Others have suggested putting the heavy stuff low forward. That's consistent with my experience but every rider bike is different. If you are doing a lodging tour and can travel light, it's possible to do so with only the saddlebag and front bag. Over on the touring list there are several posters who've done mulit-week tours without panniers. Good resource for such details. If you are camping, you will need more capacity. The Nitto big front rack that Riv sells is one of the most versatile. You can mount the panniers either high or low. Tubus makes good stuff as well as Bruce Gordon et al. My Nitto big rear rack is over 6 years old the finish is still good. dougP On Apr 7, 9:18 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I am planning a modest ride this summer from NE Vermont to Montreal and back. I have a Rambouillet and a Atlantis. A couple of questions: 1. I would prefer to ride the Ram but it's not a major thing. Given the fact that I'm going to be on good roads, is there enough difference between the bikes to make me go with the Atlantis? 2. I have a Nitto front rack and several boxy style front bags. I don't have any rack for front panniers and zero experience with them. Recommendations on rack and front panniers? 3. I am planning on using a Carradice Nelson Longflap on the rear but no rear panniers. Any problem with that? Sorry about your family situation. I've been through that twice. Thanks for offering your advice. GeorgeS On Apr 7, 10:41 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Adam Loading - The first principle is to travel light overall - you'll have more fun. Ratios - I'm not super scientific about this, but Pamela and I both like the way our bikes handle with heavy, dense stuff packed in low rider panniers in the front, SMALL handlebar bags, and bulky lighter stuff in the back. We always keep the heavy stuff as low as possible and we avoid rack top loads when possible. As a starting point, let's call the loading 60% front and 40% rear. The idea is balanced weight while riding. By packing relatively heavy stuff up front, we balance the rider weight that is carried more over the rear wheel. With both wheels equally sharing the weight, the bike feels balanced on the road and the rear wheel is less likely to have problems. My solution is to mess with my packing system until the bike feels right - good steering response, combined with a balance feel and the acknowledgement that my rear wheel needs to be protected by sharing the weight more evenly between wheels. I have no experience with extensive off road touring. For dirt roads, the principles are the same as above. Dave On Apr 7, 7:17 am, Adam oceanm...@gmail.com wrote: Could you speak to your experience of how it is most appropriate to load a bicycle for: a. strictly road touring b. mixed terrain (dirt and road touring) What ratios of weight do you recommend in the front and rear? Thank you! Adam On Apr 6, 10:36 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: It is that time of year again. Many of us have probably started planning or dreaming about a summer tour. I'd like to offer my commitment for the next 5 days, until midnight on Sunday, April 11th, to address questions from anyone who is curious about loaded touring, has questions about gear, or other topics relevant to traveling and camping by bike. Riv related content - I tour on my RBW bikes and I don't meet many other Riv riders on the road! My motivation: I'm going through a difficult time right now with an aging and ill parent and I'm seeing my own opportunity for a summer tour slowly evaporate. I would love to have the productive distraction of helping others to realize their own dreams of travel by bike. I am not selling anything. My background: I work as a professor of adventure education at a small southwestern college. My entire adult life has been dedicated to teaching others how to enjoy and travel safely in the outdoors. I am a League of American Bicyclists Bike Ed instructor. I have traveled thousands of miles as a bike tourist and have spent years of my life living outdoors in remote wilderness. I have a Quickbeam, a Bombadil, and an Atlantis. I've toured with the last two. Rules of engagement and disclosure: Ask a question or questions via this forum or via a personal message to me. I clearly don't know everything and will say so when I don't know. If I don't have direct experience with something, I'll also say so. No BS. I expect to learn as well as share. As an open forum, anyone else with direct experience on a topic should feel free to weigh in or
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendell Ri de! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
If Rivendell wants to be at the show, all they have to do is rent the space send us some credentials. We'll just ride over park our parks in the space. How much more real world can you ask for? And we can supply the full spectrum of bike models, esp if David goes for a Hunq :). dougP On Apr 7, 9:12 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: I've posted a little preview, perhaps worth a look: http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/sdcbs-preview/ Folks, also - our ride is featured also on the Rough Riders site. Thanks, Chris! http://www.xo-1.org/2010/04/rough-riders-rally-on-adventure-cycling.html Looking forward to it. We'll take lots of photos for those of you who can't make it. By the way, Riv was thinking of coming down for the show. Maybe next year! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 6, 6:52 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I believe I might have mentioned it... :-) On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: David - didn't you *suggest* (ie. peer pressure) me to add it to the SDCBS website!? Hopefully the old Volvo makes it down from SF just fine on Saturday (knock on wood trim on the dash). This will be a fun day. Come on down! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 8:50 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Serious promotion! The pressure's on, Esteban! On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:55 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: With that listing, the turnout may exceed last years.by a lot! Next thing we'll need are route slips. See you Sunday. Hey, this will be 3 Riv rides in 3 weeks - cool! dougP On Apr 5, 10:38 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Our ride is onvthe show website! http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Esteban Sam Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 7:44 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, yeah. That too. Most of my rides were early in the morning, so that wasn't as much a distraction. Also had a fun time watching some dolphins play in the surf. Something you definitely cannot see around here. Although on my ride around Lake Pepin on the Hillborne, saw more bald eagles than I have in the past few years near Maiden Rock (the feature, not the town). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 10:21 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Still in the Bay Area (down mid-week to teach, then up here later this week for a conference -- whew! I guess the 'quake was upgraded to a 7.2. The San Diego/Tijuana megalopolis shrugs it off. My mother reported, like Dustin, that it was quite a shake. 30 seconds. So... the SDCBS is STILL ON!!! Eric - when I ride along the boardwalk in Mission Beach, I must admit, its not the houses I'm gawking at. I like the visions your memories evoke, though! Its easy to take one's hometown for granted. Thanks for the wake-up call. San Diego, Calif. On Apr 4, 6:27 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: What a coincidence! Those are all events I would like to have repeated as well! On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:01 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: I know. Just want to ride it again. (Okay, and ride back up to Mission Beach and gawk at the houses on the beach. And ride to Coronado. And stop on the southern part of the loop to photograph the old railroad depot. And have another beer at the restaurant we stopped at. And . . .grin ) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 6:16 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Eric--some of this is the route we did last year. Gonna be fun. On Apr 4, 5:48 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Wish I wasn't 3,000 or so miles away. Would love to get back out there and particpate in those rides. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 12:17 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Forget the fact that I don't know what size bikes I ride. Let's ride, drink beer, and see fancy bikes! Highlights - Mixed terrain urban route! Velo Cult! Craft Beers! Big Time Bicycle Show! Last year, the SDCBS was a fantastic event - featuring framebuilders new and old (figuratively and literally), and a nice Riv custom in the Joe Bell booth. A few of us rode a loop around San Diego Bay. This is going to be a great event, and I hope some list members make some of the show: http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/
Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstands
On a related note: someone ought to develop a brake lever with a built in ratchet to act as a parking brake. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:56 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I have the Pletscher double on my Rock n' Road. It works fine with small to medium size loads. It is very handy for road side adjustments. Fully loaded I have a klick stick stand. Some guy makes them out of his garage. They are real light aluminum designed similar to tent poles with a open end that fits where the seat tube and top tube come together. The stick comes with bands that hold the breaks against the wheel. It has worked great for me with up to a 65 pound load. On Apr 6, 9:43 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: I like the look of a center mount more but practically my greenfield is just ok when I have the Panniers on am loading less than 10 lbs, more than that and it needs some major assistance. I guess for the $8 it cost I should really only expect it to keep an unloaded bike balanced. I just picked up an old Raleigh 3 speed Sport that has an after market rear triangle stand and I can tell already that it is more stable than the center mounted greenfield. On Apr 6, 5:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The Hebie looks even stouter than the VO but from a very quick and cursory Google search it's not available in the US and, overseas, it's priced like the Pletscher. Is that right? But it looks wider and more stable than the Pletscher, which I found inadequate -- certainly not as good for eccentric rear loads as a cheap Greenfield rear-triangle-mount stand, and certainly *certainly* not as good as the VO. I opine that, for the price (~US27) the VO is value king, but we'll see how long it holds up. It is a bit lighter than the Hebie at 1 1/2 lb of good ol' Amurkin aluminum. (Actually, that's good ol' Amerkin *Chinese* aluminum.) The Greenfield is great in stores. I wheel the bike through the store as my shopping cart with the stand down despite the eternally circling fixed drivetrain crankset; I can simply let go as I browse the aisles of plenty, AND it supports even a way-offside left side load if you turn the wheel all the way to the right. Cheap, black and effective: what else do you need? I'd put one on the Sam Hill in place of the VO but the SH has that bb plate which just demands to be used. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Dave Lloyd d...@davelloyd.com wrote: I've used the Pletscher on a bike (now sold) and the Hebie bipod on my wife's bike. The Hebie is truly panzeresque in both its build quality and weight, but an extra kilo won't hurt too bad on a utility bike. I did have to shim a bit with a piece of aluminum bar stock so the inside of the bipod wouldn't rub on the 700x37 tire on her bike, but it works great to keep the bike stable when the Burley's attached. --dlloyd On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 16:43, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Note: large, heavy, clunky and, since the legs don't retract as fully as the Pletscher's, your chain may rub on them, though you can adjust the degree to which the legs do retract (or their retracted angle, if you prefer) which is what I did to solve the rubbing problem -- there is a set screw that allows you to reduce the degree of retraction. But, still, if a stand's job is to support a bike, IME, the VO works considerably better than the Pletscher. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
On Apr 7, 11:26 am, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: George: +1 to Anne's suggestion for a test to select the bike. Based on my 7 years touring experience on my Atlantis, it'll definitely work for you. Do some test rides to see how you like the weight distributed. Others have suggested putting the heavy stuff low forward. That's consistent with my experience but every rider bike is different. At this point, I thought to myself: will the Nitto Big Front Rack work for that? If you are doing a lodging tour and can travel light, it's possible to do so with only the saddlebag and front bag. Over on the touring list there are several posters who've done mulit-week tours without panniers. Good resource for such details. If you are camping, you will need more capacity. The Nitto big front rack that Riv sells is one of the most versatile. You can mount the panniers either high or low. Bang! Thanks for posting. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
I believe Greg Parker is the new owner. I was out at his retail store several weeks ago and we were talking about his new venture. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:44 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: It is hard to tell whether Aaron's site is up to date. Todd distributed Heron's mainly through LBSs - including Aaron's. It is possible that is an old picture not taken down. In my experience, Bicycle Classic is usually pretty good with communication. Possibly Greg is holding back until he has product. As we can see from elsewhere in this very forum, pre-production communications can lead to all sorts of issues. On Apr 7, 10:26 am, Saturday Mark saturdaycyc...@gmail.com wrote: This is interesting. I chatted with Richard Schwinn about this last year, and he told me about this Bicycle Classics thing. I sent a couple emails at that time but received no response. ?? The funny thing is that just this last week, I heard rumors again, and it looks like Aaron's in Seattle is also advertising that they are resurrecting Heron.www.rideyourbike.com/heron.html??? Sort of like Where is Waldo ... On Apr 6, 2:10 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: http://www.bicycleclassics.com/ Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom. Brief blurb, but it appears Bicycle Classics may be taking over production of the Heron bicycle which has been dormant since Todd Kuzma made the painful decision to stop production. I hope this is correct. Herons, whether made by Riv or Todd have always been great, sensible bikes for the money. Bicycle Classics is a nice operation. Greg (the proprietor) is a great and honest person who knows a lot about bikes. Only thing is maybe instead of Heron Greg should call it the Phoenix!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
We have indoor bike storage facilities at work. Now that is a great perk! Wish we did at my work. On Apr 7, 12:21 pm, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: We have indoor bike storage facilities at work. On Apr 7, 10:38 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: For commuting, unless you are only going to have a pannier on one side of the bike, panniers that attach at the top such as the Brooks and the Laplander: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4790070id=197328405989 may be the better option. Saves you the time of attaching and detaching both panniers if you do not feel good about leaving them on the bike. The roll up feature is nice when riding with them empty. For touring, I agree with 'Me'. Ortliebs are very hard to beat. On Apr 7, 11:19 am, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: If waterproof-ness (or Ortlieb's level of waterproof-ness) isn't a must-have, then what about the offerings from Lone Peak and/or Arkel? From what I've read, the Lone Peaks are lighter than most, and quite serviceable for 2-3x/week use (25 miles round/trip). On Apr 6, 9:46 pm, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: For whatever it's worth: Three kinds of pannier people... 1. Those that buy something other than Ortlieb [refer to #3]. 2. Those that buy Ortlieb first. 3. Those that bought something other than Ortlieb before they then bought their current panniers, Ortlieb. They work, they are waterproof, they mount great and stay mounted... it's just that easy. Really. On Apr 4, 7:45 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I had pretty much decided to get some Ortliebs, but then I read this thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-270129.html which points out that waterproof may not be such a good thing in hot weather. What are some good non-waterproof panniers? Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
I have only met him online, but he comes across as a good honest business person and a great bike person. Hope this works out for him. On Apr 7, 1:09 pm, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote: I believe Greg Parker is the new owner. I was out at his retail store several weeks ago and we were talking about his new venture. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:44 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: It is hard to tell whether Aaron's site is up to date. Todd distributed Heron's mainly through LBSs - including Aaron's. It is possible that is an old picture not taken down. In my experience, Bicycle Classic is usually pretty good with communication. Possibly Greg is holding back until he has product. As we can see from elsewhere in this very forum, pre-production communications can lead to all sorts of issues. On Apr 7, 10:26 am, Saturday Mark saturdaycyc...@gmail.com wrote: This is interesting. I chatted with Richard Schwinn about this last year, and he told me about this Bicycle Classics thing. I sent a couple emails at that time but received no response. ?? The funny thing is that just this last week, I heard rumors again, and it looks like Aaron's in Seattle is also advertising that they are resurrecting Heron.www.rideyourbike.com/heron.html??? Sort of like Where is Waldo ... On Apr 6, 2:10 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: http://www.bicycleclassics.com/ Right column, six paragraphs from the bottom. Brief blurb, but it appears Bicycle Classics may be taking over production of the Heron bicycle which has been dormant since Todd Kuzma made the painful decision to stop production. I hope this is correct. Herons, whether made by Riv or Todd have always been great, sensible bikes for the money. Bicycle Classics is a nice operation. Greg (the proprietor) is a great and honest person who knows a lot about bikes. Only thing is maybe instead of Heron Greg should call it the Phoenix!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
Steripen-- have worked in outdoor shop for 10ish years. The steripen basically does what chemicals do (kills but does not clean), but does it more like a filter (piece of gear that needs care). There have been a few improvements in the design over the years, and while I have only used one sporadically, i have friends who have used them exclusively for months at a time in developing countries. They swear by'em. Just keep in mind that dirty water is still dirty after treatment-- so it is a good idea to use some type of pre-filter (like a bandanna over the mouth of the bottle). Also keep in mind that it treats the water in the bottle, not the water on the edges of the bottle, so be careful. Using it is a leap of faith--- nothing looks different, but suddenly the water is safe. A side note on filters: I wouldnt make to much of field serviceable for a filter. There is one particular filter from a company that is famous for making stoves, which seems to have it all-- long lasting filter, fully field serviceable, good reputable company-- but the ceramic filter can quickly get clogged and take forever to filter. Lotsa people just stop using them and take their chances. Another company that sounds like a mountain in Maine makes filters that arent field serviceable, but work and work fast consistently. They can still be taken apart and fixed. I think it is more important to know how your gear works than have any field serviceable moniker on the package. That is usually enough for emergency repair. Chemicals: try'em before you need'em. Some people can't stand the taste. Non-iodine seem work best for most. If you do use chemicals, brining something to flavor the water can be helpful--there are tons of options out there. Bring some type of chemical treatment even if you plan to use another method-- emergencies happen. And lastly, read the warning labels/ talk to you Doc if you are gonna be ingesting any chemical for any period of time. Rivendell content: Loving my new Bleriot. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Phil Bickford phi...@sonic.net wrote: Steve Frederick wrote: Hmm. Waterford provides an inexpensive tig'd track/singlespeed frame for Bens Bikes to sell. (the Orange One) It's available with other branding from at least one other shop. Are these still being sold by Ben's? Who else carries them? Just Ben's as far as i know, but you can buy one from them online: http://www.benscycle.net/ They have an interesting selection of other parts too, the cogs and lockrings are made there in Milwaukee, IIRC. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
They're great people to deal with--I've done so many times... Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Bill Connell Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:46 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again! On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Phil Bickford phi...@sonic.net wrote: Steve Frederick wrote: Hmm. Waterford provides an inexpensive tig'd track/singlespeed frame for Bens Bikes to sell. (the Orange One) It's available with other branding from at least one other shop. Are these still being sold by Ben's? Who else carries them? Just Ben's as far as i know, but you can buy one from them online: http://www.benscycle.net/ They have an interesting selection of other parts too, the cogs and lockrings are made there in Milwaukee, IIRC. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Kickstands
Could you use a brake lever with a quick release that way? Set it up with the release popped open, then to park you'd squeeze it tight and close the release. You'd need long fingers, I guess... You could do something similar with a QR cable stop, maybe. Philip McMinnville, Oregon On Apr 7, 10:52 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: That's been done in principle with BMX brakelevers. DiaCompe made one with a little pushbutton. It was hard to do with one hand, but you'd apply the brake, push the button and it would lock it on. Friction held it in place so the next time you pull the lever, the button pops out and away you go. On Apr 7, 10:44 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On a related note: someone ought to develop a brake lever with a built in ratchet to act as a parking brake. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:56 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I have the Pletscher double on my Rock n' Road. It works fine with small to medium size loads. It is very handy for road side adjustments. Fully loaded I have a klick stick stand. Some guy makes them out of his garage. They are real light aluminum designed similar to tent poles with a open end that fits where the seat tube and top tube come together. The stick comes with bands that hold the breaks against the wheel. It has worked great for me with up to a 65 pound load. On Apr 6, 9:43 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: I like the look of a center mount more but practically my greenfield is just ok when I have the Panniers on am loading less than 10 lbs, more than that and it needs some major assistance. I guess for the $8 it cost I should really only expect it to keep an unloaded bike balanced. I just picked up an old Raleigh 3 speed Sport that has an after market rear triangle stand and I can tell already that it is more stable than the center mounted greenfield. On Apr 6, 5:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The Hebie looks even stouter than the VO but from a very quick and cursory Google search it's not available in the US and, overseas, it's priced like the Pletscher. Is that right? But it looks wider and more stable than the Pletscher, which I found inadequate -- certainly not as good for eccentric rear loads as a cheap Greenfield rear-triangle-mount stand, and certainly *certainly* not as good as the VO. I opine that, for the price (~US27) the VO is value king, but we'll see how long it holds up. It is a bit lighter than the Hebie at 1 1/2 lb of good ol' Amurkin aluminum. (Actually, that's good ol' Amerkin *Chinese* aluminum.) The Greenfield is great in stores. I wheel the bike through the store as my shopping cart with the stand down despite the eternally circling fixed drivetrain crankset; I can simply let go as I browse the aisles of plenty, AND it supports even a way-offside left side load if you turn the wheel all the way to the right. Cheap, black and effective: what else do you need? I'd put one on the Sam Hill in place of the VO but the SH has that bb plate which just demands to be used. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Dave Lloyd d...@davelloyd.com wrote: I've used the Pletscher on a bike (now sold) and the Hebie bipod on my wife's bike. The Hebie is truly panzeresque in both its build quality and weight, but an extra kilo won't hurt too bad on a utility bike. I did have to shim a bit with a piece of aluminum bar stock so the inside of the bipod wouldn't rub on the 700x37 tire on her bike, but it works great to keep the bike stable when the Burley's attached. --dlloyd On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 16:43, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Note: large, heavy, clunky and, since the legs don't retract as fully as the Pletscher's, your chain may rub on them, though you can adjust the degree to which the legs do retract (or their retracted angle, if you prefer) which is what I did to solve the rubbing problem -- there is a set screw that allows you to reduce the degree of retraction. But, still, if a stand's job is to support a bike, IME, the VO works considerably better than the Pletscher. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore
Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstands
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Could you use a brake lever with a quick release that way? Set it up with the release popped open, then to park you'd squeeze it tight and close the release. You'd need long fingers, I guess... You could do something similar with a QR cable stop, maybe. Or a strong rubberband. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Kickstands
What were them little wedges called--came on a string and you put that around your handlber or brake lever then used the wedge at the top of the lever to keep the brake closed when parking the bike? I think I have one in a box of bikey junk somewhere... Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Philip Williamson Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:53 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Kickstands Could you use a brake lever with a quick release that way? Set it up with the release popped open, then to park you'd squeeze it tight and close the release. You'd need long fingers, I guess... You could do something similar with a QR cable stop, maybe. Philip McMinnville, Oregon On Apr 7, 10:52 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: That's been done in principle with BMX brakelevers. DiaCompe made one with a little pushbutton. It was hard to do with one hand, but you'd apply the brake, push the button and it would lock it on. Friction held it in place so the next time you pull the lever, the button pops out and away you go. On Apr 7, 10:44 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On a related note: someone ought to develop a brake lever with a built in ratchet to act as a parking brake. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:56 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I have the Pletscher double on my Rock n' Road. It works fine with small to medium size loads. It is very handy for road side adjustments. Fully loaded I have a klick stick stand. Some guy makes them out of his garage. They are real light aluminum designed similar to tent poles with a open end that fits where the seat tube and top tube come together. The stick comes with bands that hold the breaks against the wheel. It has worked great for me with up to a 65 pound load. On Apr 6, 9:43 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: I like the look of a center mount more but practically my greenfield is just ok when I have the Panniers on am loading less than 10 lbs, more than that and it needs some major assistance. I guess for the $8 it cost I should really only expect it to keep an unloaded bike balanced. I just picked up an old Raleigh 3 speed Sport that has an after market rear triangle stand and I can tell already that it is more stable than the center mounted greenfield. On Apr 6, 5:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The Hebie looks even stouter than the VO but from a very quick and cursory Google search it's not available in the US and, overseas, it's priced like the Pletscher. Is that right? But it looks wider and more stable than the Pletscher, which I found inadequate -- certainly not as good for eccentric rear loads as a cheap Greenfield rear-triangle-mount stand, and certainly *certainly* not as good as the VO. I opine that, for the price (~US27) the VO is value king, but we'll see how long it holds up. It is a bit lighter than the Hebie at 1 1/2 lb of good ol' Amurkin aluminum. (Actually, that's good ol' Amerkin *Chinese* aluminum.) The Greenfield is great in stores. I wheel the bike through the store as my shopping cart with the stand down despite the eternally circling fixed drivetrain crankset; I can simply let go as I browse the aisles of plenty, AND it supports even a way-offside left side load if you turn the wheel all the way to the right. Cheap, black and effective: what else do you need? I'd put one on the Sam Hill in place of the VO but the SH has that bb plate which just demands to be used. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Dave Lloyd d...@davelloyd.com wrote: I've used the Pletscher on a bike (now sold) and the Hebie bipod on my wife's bike. The Hebie is truly panzeresque in both its build quality and weight, but an extra kilo won't hurt too bad on a utility bike. I did have to shim a bit with a piece of aluminum bar stock so the inside of the bipod wouldn't rub on the 700x37 tire on her bike, but it works great to keep the bike stable when the Burley's attached. --dlloyd On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 16:43, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Note: large, heavy, clunky and, since the legs don't retract as fully as the Pletscher's, your chain may rub on them, though you can adjust the degree to which the legs do retract (or their retracted angle, if you prefer) which is what I did to solve the rubbing problem -- there is a set screw that allows you to reduce the degree of retraction. But, still, if a stand's job is to support a bike, IME, the VO works considerably better than the Pletscher. -- You received this message because you are
Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstands
Until that happy invention comes along, you can use these parking brake bands, sold by Click-Stand: http://www.click-stand.com/Click-Stand_Products.html (bottom of the page) From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstands On a related note: someone ought to develop a brake lever with a built in ratchet to act as a parking brake. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Kickstands
Rhode Gear made it, and at the bike shop we sold one to everybody who bought a Rhode Gear Flickstand. My foggy memory thinks it was called a StopBlok or Stop Block or something like that. I use my velcro legband as a parking brake. Pump retention straps also serve that purpose, and you can hang them anywhere on the bike. On Apr 7, 11:55 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: What were them little wedges called--came on a string and you put that around your handlber or brake lever then used the wedge at the top of the lever to keep the brake closed when parking the bike? I think I have one in a box of bikey junk somewhere... Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Philip Williamson Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:53 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Kickstands Could you use a brake lever with a quick release that way? Set it up with the release popped open, then to park you'd squeeze it tight and close the release. You'd need long fingers, I guess... You could do something similar with a QR cable stop, maybe. Philip McMinnville, Oregon On Apr 7, 10:52 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: That's been done in principle with BMX brakelevers. DiaCompe made one with a little pushbutton. It was hard to do with one hand, but you'd apply the brake, push the button and it would lock it on. Friction held it in place so the next time you pull the lever, the button pops out and away you go. On Apr 7, 10:44 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On a related note: someone ought to develop a brake lever with a built in ratchet to act as a parking brake. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:56 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I have the Pletscher double on my Rock n' Road. It works fine with small to medium size loads. It is very handy for road side adjustments. Fully loaded I have a klick stick stand. Some guy makes them out of his garage. They are real light aluminum designed similar to tent poles with a open end that fits where the seat tube and top tube come together. The stick comes with bands that hold the breaks against the wheel. It has worked great for me with up to a 65 pound load. On Apr 6, 9:43 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: I like the look of a center mount more but practically my greenfield is just ok when I have the Panniers on am loading less than 10 lbs, more than that and it needs some major assistance. I guess for the $8 it cost I should really only expect it to keep an unloaded bike balanced. I just picked up an old Raleigh 3 speed Sport that has an after market rear triangle stand and I can tell already that it is more stable than the center mounted greenfield. On Apr 6, 5:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The Hebie looks even stouter than the VO but from a very quick and cursory Google search it's not available in the US and, overseas, it's priced like the Pletscher. Is that right? But it looks wider and more stable than the Pletscher, which I found inadequate -- certainly not as good for eccentric rear loads as a cheap Greenfield rear-triangle-mount stand, and certainly *certainly* not as good as the VO. I opine that, for the price (~US27) the VO is value king, but we'll see how long it holds up. It is a bit lighter than the Hebie at 1 1/2 lb of good ol' Amurkin aluminum. (Actually, that's good ol' Amerkin *Chinese* aluminum.) The Greenfield is great in stores. I wheel the bike through the store as my shopping cart with the stand down despite the eternally circling fixed drivetrain crankset; I can simply let go as I browse the aisles of plenty, AND it supports even a way-offside left side load if you turn the wheel all the way to the right. Cheap, black and effective: what else do you need? I'd put one on the Sam Hill in place of the VO but the SH has that bb plate which just demands to be used. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Dave Lloyd d...@davelloyd.com wrote: I've used the Pletscher on a bike (now sold) and the Hebie bipod on my wife's bike. The Hebie is truly panzeresque in both its build quality and weight, but an extra kilo won't hurt too bad on a utility bike. I did have to shim a bit with a piece of aluminum bar stock so the inside of the bipod wouldn't rub on the 700x37 tire on her bike, but it works great to keep the bike stable when the Burley's attached. --dlloyd On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 16:43, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Note: large, heavy, clunky and, since the legs
[RBW] Wool Leg Warmers
The weather is getting into post-tights temps and to my dismay I found my Riv Wool Leg-warmers were pretty much devastated by the moths. I really like these leg-warmers but I desperately need a new pair and Riv doesn't have them in stock. So who makes something equivalent (or does anyone know if Riv is going to get some in say the next couple of weeks?) thanks, Robert -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: another pannier question
Hi, On Apr 6, 7:21 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: Unless I've missed it, most folks have talked about the roll-up Ortliebs. I've got some newer style ones (bike packer plus), with a flap closure, fold-seal outer pocket, inner pocket for a few items, etc.. they are exceptional, and I've not yet found a rack they didn't adjust to quite well. A little spendy, and a little bit awkward to carry when off the bike (if you need to), but for largish, sturdy, weatherproofish, panniers with lots of reflection and compression to take up the slack, I think they cannot be beat. Thanks for posting that. Those are the Orliebs I'm considering, and they seem cheap compared to the Arkels, Carradice, and Berthoud panniers. That being said, i'm thinking of getting a set of the brown LaplanderBags City Waxed Canvas ones cuz they are so darn attractive, and will complete the look of my orange Sam. The storefront says they are sold out. :( -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: another pannier question
I've got some newer style ones (bike packer plus), with a flap closure, fold-seal outer pocket, inner pocket for a few items, etc.. There are two roll up styles. The one with plus is the newest Ortlieb design available. All Ortliebs are great. Thanks for posting that. Those are the Orliebs I'm considering, and they seem cheap compared to the Arkels, Carradice, and Berthoud panniers. Minimalist, not cheap. Ortliebs will almost certainly outlast any other pannier made. For long haul rough stuff touring they are the best for the money. The storefront says they are sold out. :( Contact them through their Facebook page. They have a pieces of fabric pre-cut and will sew you up a set very quickly if interested. They did not have a vegan when I ordered the beginning of last week. My bag is already in the mail. I should have it today or tomorrow. BTW, vegan is $20.00 less than leather. On Apr 7, 2:26 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, On Apr 6, 7:21 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: Unless I've missed it, most folks have talked about the roll-up Ortliebs. I've got some newer style ones (bike packer plus), with a flap closure, fold-seal outer pocket, inner pocket for a few items, etc.. they are exceptional, and I've not yet found a rack they didn't adjust to quite well. A little spendy, and a little bit awkward to carry when off the bike (if you need to), but for largish, sturdy, weatherproofish, panniers with lots of reflection and compression to take up the slack, I think they cannot be beat. Thanks for posting that. Those are the Orliebs I'm considering, and they seem cheap compared to the Arkels, Carradice, and Berthoud panniers. That being said, i'm thinking of getting a set of the brown LaplanderBags City Waxed Canvas ones cuz they are so darn attractive, and will complete the look of my orange Sam. The storefront says they are sold out. :( -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Kickstands
Until that happy invention comes along, you can use these parking brake bands, sold by Click-Stand: I would like a park brake, but agree with your recommendation. Those Click-Stand bands work very well. On Apr 7, 2:04 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Until that happy invention comes along, you can use these parking brake bands, sold by Click-Stand: http://www.click-stand.com/Click-Stand_Products.html (bottom of the page) From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstands On a related note: someone ought to develop a brake lever with a built in ratchet to act as a parking brake. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Wool Leg Warmers
I love my wool leg and arm warmers (and bib shorts) from Ibex! http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/index.php - Chris Kostman La Jolla, CA http://www.XO-1.org On Apr 7, 11:48 am, Robert Kirkpatrick spiralc...@gmail.com wrote: The weather is getting into post-tights temps and to my dismay I found my Riv Wool Leg-warmers were pretty much devastated by the moths. I really like these leg-warmers but I desperately need a new pair and Riv doesn't have them in stock. So who makes something equivalent (or does anyone know if Riv is going to get some in say the next couple of weeks?) thanks, Robert -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstands
The disadvantage of a Flickstand is that it doesn't work with fenders. Of a rubber band or surrogate, that it's a bit of a hassle. I use my stands mostly while shopping, and they are always up and down; don't want to have to fumble to find band, wedge, what have you. No big deal, really, since most of my bikes don't have stands or parking brakes of any sort. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:35 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Until that happy invention comes along, you can use these parking brake bands, sold by Click-Stand: I would like a park brake, but agree with your recommendation. Those Click-Stand bands work very well. On Apr 7, 2:04 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Until that happy invention comes along, you can use these parking brake bands, sold by Click-Stand: http://www.click-stand.com/Click-Stand_Products.html (bottom of the page) From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstands On a related note: someone ought to develop a brake lever with a built in ratchet to act as a parking brake. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Kickstands
I do not use my Click Stand for around town riding. I use when I am on tour with heavier loads. My tour bike does have fenders. Click Stand seems to work fine. Not sure why fenders would hinder it. Am I misunderstanding something? On Apr 7, 2:45 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The disadvantage of a Flickstand is that it doesn't work with fenders. Of a rubber band or surrogate, that it's a bit of a hassle. I use my stands mostly while shopping, and they are always up and down; don't want to have to fumble to find band, wedge, what have you. No big deal, really, since most of my bikes don't have stands or parking brakes of any sort. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:35 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Until that happy invention comes along, you can use these parking brake bands, sold by Click-Stand: I would like a park brake, but agree with your recommendation. Those Click-Stand bands work very well. On Apr 7, 2:04 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Until that happy invention comes along, you can use these parking brake bands, sold by Click-Stand: http://www.click-stand.com/Click-Stand_Products.html (bottom of the page) From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstands On a related note: someone ought to develop a brake lever with a built in ratchet to act as a parking brake. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstands
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:49 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I do not use my Click Stand for around town riding. I use when I am on tour with heavier loads. My tour bike does have fenders. Click Stand seems to work fine. Not sure why fenders would hinder it. Am I misunderstanding something? Perhaps I am. I have in mind the little wheel stopper that clamps around the down tube; I suppose you mean the extendable rod support? If this does not clear up my confusion, I shall be very confused indeed! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Wool Leg Warmers
I'll second the quality of Ibex warmers. As it happens, I have a pair of large knee warmers that need a new home. Having lost some weight, they tend to become ankle warmers for me. If interested, email off list, please. Bruce From: XO-1.org Rough Riders adventureco...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Wool Leg Warmers I love my wool leg and arm warmers (and bib shorts) from Ibex! http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/index.php - Chris Kostman La Jolla, CA http://www.XO-1.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Wool Leg Warmers
I think smartwool is making arm and leg warmers now and I've never seen any smartwool stuff succumb to wool-munching critters. Ryan On Apr 7, 2010, at 13:41, XO-1.org Rough Riders adventureco...@gmail.com wrote: I love my wool leg and arm warmers (and bib shorts) from Ibex! http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/index.php - Chris Kostman La Jolla, CA http://www.XO-1.org On Apr 7, 11:48 am, Robert Kirkpatrick spiralc...@gmail.com wrote: The weather is getting into post-tights temps and to my dismay I found my Riv Wool Leg-warmers were pretty much devastated by the moths. I really like these leg-warmers but I desperately need a new pair and Riv doesn't have them in stock. So who makes something equivalent (or does anyone know if Riv is going to get some in say the next couple of weeks?) thanks, Robert -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, that would be Bonnie Prince Billy not Price. And for anyone who really likes the song: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002YLTH6Q/ref=dm_ty_trk -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
On Apr 6, 10:10 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Interesting. Have you noted that not single person who replied to your post recommended the Arkel 54 panniers?? Here's why I didn't: Tremendously overbuilt and oversized - this results in increased weight. There is a picture of a touring bike that has the full Arkel GT-54 setup, including front panniers, here: http://www.click-stand.com/ Wow. That looks heavy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up
I just called Jay, complemented his work.and pulled the trigger on a 54 Hunqa. Woot! On Apr 7, 1:30 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, that would be Bonnie Prince Billy not Price. And for anyone who really likes the song: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002YLTH6Q/ref=dm_ty_trk -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Phil Bickford phi...@sonic.net wrote: Steve Frederick wrote: Hmm. Waterford provides an inexpensive tig'd track/singlespeed frame for Bens Bikes to sell. (the Orange One) It's available with other branding from at least one other shop. Are these still being sold by Ben's? Who else carries them? Just Ben's as far as i know, but you can buy one from them online: http://www.benscycle.net/ They have an interesting selection of other parts too, the cogs and lockrings are made there in Milwaukee, IIRC. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN Ben's is a cool place. When I lived in Milwaukee they were my LBS. They are worth checking out if you are ever in Milwaukee. They have (or at least they used to) an old theater across the street that they owned where they have hundreds of used bikes and all sorts of random used parts. I think that all the stuff in the theater is what started their e-bay business. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Jay's latest H-vid, stuff in it?
That video made me go riding at my nearest hilly park, Lake Chabot. Primary a mt.biking park, my bleriot with Col de la Vie tires didn't a decent job handling the washboard downhills. It's awesome that he made that video by himself. Next time I ride I'm going to need to make a video. pictures prove that it happen: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623672804597/ -Manny On Apr 6, 11:40 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: It's a Sackville Medium, which by any standards is huge. He carries a tripod and clothes other things in it. He shoots with a Flip, although we recently got something fancier for other things---like the headbadge shot, with that focus-control--Nikon D5000? A DSLR, anyway, small and relatively cheap as they go. We'll use it for instructional videos where focus control is important. The tires on the bike: Schwalbe Fat Apple 700x60...which, he can speak for himself, but he mentioned to me that these are his favorite tires these days. Jay is a remakable rider, makes hard things look easy. The riding here is really good, and all of the bikes get tested on these trails and roads. We'll have some roadvids too, but while the hills are so green, I think that's where the cameras will be rolling (figuratively speaking). -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Wool Leg Warmers
The Ibex arm/leg warmers are great. Much better than any plastic ones. All the Ibex stuff is great, and it should be for that price. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
I'd like to thank Jim for his continued leadership in this group and specifically for his well-reasoned response to my concern about my post. My goal here is to be helpful and to encourage people of this group specifically to get out and tour on their Riv bikes by offering advice about doing so. I completely agree with and support the idea that we should be discussing Rivendell related topics in order to maintain the integrity of this group. Here's what I propose: I've done a sizeable amount of touring on my Atlantis and Bombadil and the rest of my touring has all been on lugged steel bikes. I've also used many of the products Rivendell sells - tires, stoves, racks, fenders, clothing - even pine tar soap! If I could amend my RBW Owners Bunch offer to respond in the group on just Riv touring related topics or products then perhaps we can continue. I will respond privately and off list to any non Riv touring questions via email until the 11th. After that, I'm off on another course with my students. Thank you all - especially for the kind words of support. Dave On Apr 7, 8:56 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 4/6/10 10:36 PM, Dave Craig at dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Moderator Jim: The RBW forum is the only internet forum I care to participate in. I appreciate the quality of thought and the civil discourse I find here. If you believe that my offer isn't an appropriate use of this forum, let me know and I'll retract my offer without a fuss. Well, since this bit was directed at me, I guess I need to dust off my epaulettes and respond... ;^) In the strictest sense, this has a high possibility of being outside the realm of this group. To put it plainly, a touring topic stream not related to Rivendell products isn't within the confines of the definition. Dedicated to the discussion of Rivendell Bicycles and products, you don't need to own one - just an interest in RBW designs is enough to join in. Ride reports encouraged, as is a respectful, supportive and polite tone in all posts. That being said, I do realize that (a) Riv sells bike camping products, (b) many people's enthusiasm for certain Riv models is specifically for the touring capabilities, camping and S24O adaptability, and (c) there are active touring folks on this list. I have to rely upon you and the others who contribute positively in this forum to be mindful of balancing those two thoughts. If we're discussing Touring in the Capital T sense, I'd suggest having the conversation over at the Touring group on phred.org (graciously hosted by alex who also hosts/moderates the iBob list). http://www.phred.org/mailman/listinfo/touring One of the things I feel very strongly about, and have mentioned in the various State of the List reports, is that the strength and quality of this group discussion has a lot to do with the narrowness and specificity of the topic. http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/sotlr This list began as a subset of the iBob list (again, initially hosted on the phred.org servers) specifically because people wanted to talk about Rivendell designs and products without dealing with the waves of sniping comments by naysayers who didn't necessarily care about RBW products. The gen1 RBW list grew, became a bit fractured, then began to implode because it was becoming a mini-iBob list - replicating the conversations on the iBob list, but idoing so in a smaller venue where folks knew one another. The problem was that the tone was nicer, and the quality of response was generally reasoned, so people felt more comfortable asking questions of the RBW group. When some fairly caustic exchanges took place, Rivendell and alex decided to pull the plug. Generally, the discussion topics weren't Rivendell related and the tone had taken a decided turn for the worst. At that point, a number of us felt that the initial idea was a valid one. After emailing both alex and RBW to make sure it was ok, I fired up this group, which is where we are now. In one sense, we're a bit victimized by the quality of discussion on this list. I've been involved with online groups and lists and such for a while, and it is a rare thing when positive discussions can be maintained with a high signal to noise ratio. We're doing that here. A number of members have recognized that as well, which they've been kind enough to share with me privately. A great number of people on this list have a lot of knowledge in many areas of bicycling - frame design, history, technique, etc. When they respond to questions or share experience within the framework of this group, everyone benefits. That's how this list has grown to its current size and retained its direct and positive feel. To continue that growth, to retain the positive and focused nature of this list, I think it's important to maintain the Rivendell component of this discussion as topic number one. Rivendell: Touring is probably the way I'd see
Re: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:33 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I just called Jay, complemented his work.and pulled the trigger on a 54 Hunqa. Woot! That should definitely reinforce the efficacy of a video-based advertising campaign. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
George I have an Rambo-like bike (Soma Smoothie ES) and toured across the US on a lugged sports tourer. There is absolutely no reason you can't tour on your Ram. It all depends on load (yours and luggage). The Atlantis feels more stable with a load than my sports tourer did and the Bombadil feels better still at my weight (210) and a full set of gear. My favorite front rack is the Tubus Lara - it is light, compact and strong - made for panniers. You'll need a mid fork adaptor for the Ram and possibly for the Atlantis. Ask Riv about loading the Ram fork with luggage. No problem with the Atlantis. Panniers - ask I've said elsewhere, Ortlieb front rollers. No problem touring with just the saddlebag in the rear. The weight rides great there. One of the wonderful things of our human experience is that we share these major life events in common - it is part of life. I'm getting a lot of support from talking with others who have been through the same experience. Dave On Apr 7, 9:18 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I am planning a modest ride this summer from NE Vermont to Montreal and back. I have a Rambouillet and a Atlantis. A couple of questions: 1. I would prefer to ride the Ram but it's not a major thing. Given the fact that I'm going to be on good roads, is there enough difference between the bikes to make me go with the Atlantis? 2. I have a Nitto front rack and several boxy style front bags. I don't have any rack for front panniers and zero experience with them. Recommendations on rack and front panniers? 3. I am planning on using a Carradice Nelson Longflap on the rear but no rear panniers. Any problem with that? Sorry about your family situation. I've been through that twice. Thanks for offering your advice. GeorgeS On Apr 7, 10:41 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Adam Loading - The first principle is to travel light overall - you'll have more fun. Ratios - I'm not super scientific about this, but Pamela and I both like the way our bikes handle with heavy, dense stuff packed in low rider panniers in the front, SMALL handlebar bags, and bulky lighter stuff in the back. We always keep the heavy stuff as low as possible and we avoid rack top loads when possible. As a starting point, let's call the loading 60% front and 40% rear. The idea is balanced weight while riding. By packing relatively heavy stuff up front, we balance the rider weight that is carried more over the rear wheel. With both wheels equally sharing the weight, the bike feels balanced on the road and the rear wheel is less likely to have problems. My solution is to mess with my packing system until the bike feels right - good steering response, combined with a balance feel and the acknowledgement that my rear wheel needs to be protected by sharing the weight more evenly between wheels. I have no experience with extensive off road touring. For dirt roads, the principles are the same as above. Dave On Apr 7, 7:17 am, Adam oceanm...@gmail.com wrote: Could you speak to your experience of how it is most appropriate to load a bicycle for: a. strictly road touring b. mixed terrain (dirt and road touring) What ratios of weight do you recommend in the front and rear? Thank you! Adam On Apr 6, 10:36 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: It is that time of year again. Many of us have probably started planning or dreaming about a summer tour. I'd like to offer my commitment for the next 5 days, until midnight on Sunday, April 11th, to address questions from anyone who is curious about loaded touring, has questions about gear, or other topics relevant to traveling and camping by bike. Riv related content - I tour on my RBW bikes and I don't meet many other Riv riders on the road! My motivation: I'm going through a difficult time right now with an aging and ill parent and I'm seeing my own opportunity for a summer tour slowly evaporate. I would love to have the productive distraction of helping others to realize their own dreams of travel by bike. I am not selling anything. My background: I work as a professor of adventure education at a small southwestern college. My entire adult life has been dedicated to teaching others how to enjoy and travel safely in the outdoors. I am a League of American Bicyclists Bike Ed instructor. I have traveled thousands of miles as a bike tourist and have spent years of my life living outdoors in remote wilderness. I have a Quickbeam, a Bombadil, and an Atlantis. I've toured with the last two. Rules of engagement and disclosure: Ask a question or questions via this forum or via a personal message to me. I clearly don't know everything and will say so when I don't know. If I don't have direct experience with something, I'll also say so. No BS. I expect to learn as well as share. As an open forum,
Re: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up
I have to admit, that video made me want one, and I don't need one! I've got the monster cross thing covered. But . . . Maybe I don't have the monster cross with albatross bars slot covered! Guess this advertising stuff works after all. From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 16:59:14 -0400 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:33 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I just called Jay, complemented his work.and pulled the trigger on a 54 Hunqa. Woot! That should definitely reinforce the efficacy of a video-based advertising campaign. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
Has anyone tried these panniers: http://www.flickr.com/photos/acupofgreentea/4457931804 :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up
Dustin That is iron clad logic right there. If you aren't running 700x60s, you are not Hunqing On Apr 7, 2:07 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: I have to admit, that video made me want one, and I don't need one! I've got the monster cross thing covered. But . . . Maybe I don't have the monster cross with albatross bars slot covered! Guess this advertising stuff works after all. From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 16:59:14 -0400 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:33 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I just called Jay, complemented his work.and pulled the trigger on a 54 Hunqa. Woot! That should definitely reinforce the efficacy of a video-based advertising campaign. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up
wow, didn't you just buy a Bombadil? sounds like Christmas in July( hopefully)! I don't think Rivendell can make new models fast enough for you William. Congrats anyway... I'd love to sell off my 29er hardtail and get a Hunqua! I just have two irons in the fire right now... so I must wait a few months. ~Mike~ On Apr 7, 1:33 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I just called Jay, complemented his work.and pulled the trigger on a 54 Hunqa. Woot! On Apr 7, 1:30 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, that would be Bonnie Prince Billy not Price. And for anyone who really likes the song: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002YLTH6Q/ref=dm_ty_trk -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
Yeah, it does look heavy, but maybe those packs are filled with marshmallows for s'mores! Just like in backpacking, some folks put a higher priority on comfort in camp than comfort while traveling. I love riding and walking as unencumbered as possible, so I carry as little as possible. I can certainly see the other viewpoint, though - just different values. There certainly are some beautiful bikes in those pictures! Wow! On Apr 7, 1:32 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: On Apr 6, 10:10 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Interesting. Have you noted that not single person who replied to your post recommended the Arkel 54 panniers?? Here's why I didn't: Tremendously overbuilt and oversized - this results in increased weight. There is a picture of a touring bike that has the full Arkel GT-54 setup, including front panniers, here: http://www.click-stand.com/ Wow. That looks heavy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
Sweet! If it's got a shower in it, I'm getting one for the Kogswell! On Apr 7, 2010, at 15:11, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Has anyone tried these panniers: http://www.flickr.com/photos/acupofgreentea/4457931804 :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up
I sold off 5 bikes this year: Single speed crossbike Geared crossbike All rigid mountain bike Front Sus mountain bike MCRB I also sold my wife's Mt bike and a bunch of parts. These three new bikes (Hillborne, Hunqa, Bomba) are my shot at dialing in my stable for my 40s and beyond. I have almost the entire build kit for the Hunqa already. Wheelset, derailleurs, brakeset, and more. It would almost be a crime not to get one. I was comfortable waiting until July, but several little things made me feel like doing it now. On Apr 7, 2:14 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: wow, didn't you just buy a Bombadil? sounds like Christmas in July( hopefully)! I don't think Rivendell can make new models fast enough for you William. Congrats anyway... I'd love to sell off my 29er hardtail and get a Hunqua! I just have two irons in the fire right now... so I must wait a few months. ~Mike~ On Apr 7, 1:33 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I just called Jay, complemented his work.and pulled the trigger on a 54 Hunqa. Woot! On Apr 7, 1:30 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, that would be Bonnie Prince Billy not Price. And for anyone who really likes the song: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002YLTH6Q/ref=dm_ty_trk -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I sold off 5 bikes this year: Single speed crossbike Geared crossbike All rigid mountain bike Front Sus mountain bike MCRB I also sold my wife's Mt bike and a bunch of parts. These three new bikes (Hillborne, Hunqa, Bomba) are my shot at dialing in my stable for my 40s and beyond. I have almost the entire build kit for the Hunqa already. Wheelset, derailleurs, brakeset, and more. It would almost be a crime not to get one. I was comfortable waiting until July, but several little things made me feel like doing it now. Congrats and good for you! -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up
Ohhh! You kids… From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 2:43:32 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up These three new bikes (Hillborne, Hunqa, Bomba) are my shot at dialing in my stable for my 40s and beyond. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: are there any 68cm out there????
Riv had a 64 Bombadil on the floor for a while. It's a huge bike and probaby equivalent to a standard 68. I'm 6'1 and it felt like standing next to my dad's bike as a little kid. You might give them a call and see if they still have it. jim m wc ca On Apr 7, 10:39 am, Green Options greenoptionsbuff...@gmail.com wrote: I have an Atlantis and looking to pic up another ride. Is anyone selling a frame - preferably a Rivendell in a 68cm? Thanks for any help! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: are there any 68cm out there????
I just noticed there is a pic of a 68 Bombadil on the RBW site: http://www.rivbike.com/images/products/full//3296/Bomba68.jpg On Apr 7, 10:39 am, Green Options greenoptionsbuff...@gmail.com wrote: I have an Atlantis and looking to pic up another ride. Is anyone selling a frame - preferably a Rivendell in a 68cm? Thanks for any help! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up
I just gotta say that I love this video. Bonnie Prince Billy (Will Oldham) is an exceptional artist. He can act too - the film OLD JOY is highly recommended. Very, very subtle, and Oldham does fantastic work. Soundtrack by Yo La Tengo. Does it get any better? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VR4KaDeAuI http://movies.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/movies/20joy.html Back to bikes These films help capture ideas that Grant Co. have written about but a lot of people don't seem to understand. I hope they do no. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 7, 2:48 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Ohhh! You kids… From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 2:43:32 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: There's another Jay-riding video up These three new bikes (Hillborne, Hunqa, Bomba) are my shot at dialing in my stable for my 40s and beyond. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Good point about the water bottles. In particular, a touring bike should have multiple, easily available water bottles. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: From: Garth garth...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:05 AM If they're going diagonal . what do they do about water bottles ? Design is one thing, but what about practicality? While I agree with GP that triangles look better, and bicycles are all about triangles .. more of them doesn't necessarily mean better. Double top tubes parallel looks masculine.. works great for carrying and stand mounting... a diagonal or mixte tube doesn't. I'm wondering out loud ... if extra diagonal type tubed frames were so popular . why are they not sold in mass? I see a warmish response here in this forum but you know how some things go . people say they love the design . but when it comes time to actually buy and own one . personal reality checks in. . . . and they may not want it. It's like seeing a fancy prototype at the bike show it looks great you drool over it ... but you just don't get one . for whatever reason. usually it's too far out of the norm. What would so and so think? ... etc. The mind is an never ending ride to nowhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: another pannier question
Thanks for the responses. I think I'm going to go for the Ortlieb Bike Packer Plus or The Back Roller plus. On Apr 7, 3:33 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I've got some newer style ones (bike packer plus), with a flap closure, fold-seal outer pocket, inner pocket for a few items, etc.. There are two roll up styles. The one with plus is the newest Ortlieb design available. All Ortliebs are great. Thanks for posting that. Those are the Orliebs I'm considering, and they seem cheap compared to the Arkels, Carradice, and Berthoud panniers. Minimalist, not cheap. Ortliebs will almost certainly outlast any other pannier made. For long haul rough stuff touring they are the best for the money. The storefront says they are sold out. :( Contact them through their Facebook page. They have a pieces of fabric pre-cut and will sew you up a set very quickly if interested. They did not have a vegan when I ordered the beginning of last week. My bag is already in the mail. I should have it today or tomorrow. BTW, vegan is $20.00 less than leather. On Apr 7, 2:26 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, On Apr 6, 7:21 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: Unless I've missed it, most folks have talked about the roll-up Ortliebs. I've got some newer style ones (bike packer plus), with a flap closure, fold-seal outer pocket, inner pocket for a few items, etc.. they are exceptional, and I've not yet found a rack they didn't adjust to quite well. A little spendy, and a little bit awkward to carry when off the bike (if you need to), but for largish, sturdy, weatherproofish, panniers with lots of reflection and compression to take up the slack, I think they cannot be beat. Thanks for posting that. Those are the Orliebs I'm considering, and they seem cheap compared to the Arkels, Carradice, and Berthoud panniers. That being said, i'm thinking of getting a set of the brown LaplanderBags City Waxed Canvas ones cuz they are so darn attractive, and will complete the look of my orange Sam. The storefront says they are sold out. :( -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Trade: pristine B17 for a classic Flite or Turbo or San Marco Concours
Thanks. I've had a response from another listmember who has a NOS Turbo, and I think I'll go with that. If it falls through, I'll be back onlist. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:17 PM, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a Concor Supercorsa Profil in white. Couple scuffs on the corners but great overall. It was slated for a late 80's racer project that sort of never got going. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: are there any 68cm out there????
I have a 68cm Quickbeam that I've been thinking of selling to fund the purchase of more of a go fast. Orange. Pretty much a stock build except I swapped the noodles for moustache bars. Just installed a new BB, Chainring (41t), freewheel (16t), and chain. Send me an e-mail off-list if you're interested. Shaun Meehan On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed there is a pic of a 68 Bombadil on the RBW site: http://www.rivbike.com/images/products/full//3296/Bomba68.jpg On Apr 7, 10:39 am, Green Options greenoptionsbuff...@gmail.com wrote: I have an Atlantis and looking to pic up another ride. Is anyone selling a frame - preferably a Rivendell in a 68cm? Thanks for any help! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
