[RBW] Re: Tom Ritchey, in His Own Words

2011-01-13 Thread eddie...@gmail.com
Chris, my Ritchey can be seen here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/sets/72157606645245888/
or
http://bit.ly/fHtURa

I've got metal fenders to install when I get the chance. The SKS I put
on to start are a little narrow.

Ed

On Jan 12, 11:05 pm, "XO-1.org Rough Riders"
 wrote:
> Ed, I'd like to see some photos of that customized Ritchey!
>
> - Chris Kostmanhttp://www.XO-1.org
>
> On Jan 12, 8:02 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > Us too. I called Rivendell when Grant first mentioned a tandem a
> > couple years ago in a reader, and tried to put down a deposit, but
> > they declined. We're ready anytime, Grant.
>
> > I have a Toyo-built Ritchey Logic road frameset that I bought new in
> > 1995. After owning a couple of Rivendell production bikes, I had the
> > Ritchey refurbished in 2008 with a new Bilenky steel fork with
> > extended steerer tube, clearances changed to accommodate 57mm reach
> > brakes and new fender eyelets. It's my personal Ritchey-Bilenky
> > "Roadeo." It's not my best bike, but it's my favorite, if that makes
> > sense.
>
> > Ed Felker
>
> > On Jan 12, 4:22 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, William  wrote:
> > > > "If we ever do a tandem, we'll
> > > > likely do the same. "
>
> > > > I'd love to see it.  I'd hope to be able to consider buying one.
>
> > > How many tandems pre-ordered does it take to cover the dev of the lugs?
>
> > > Alternatively, would it ever be possible for a tandem as a full-custom?
>
> > > I'm ever-hopeful but probably just going to talk to bilenky.
>
> > > -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Ritchey, in His Own Words

2011-01-13 Thread Ray Shine
That is a sweet looking bicycle!  Very nicely done. (Ever think about a 
wireless 
cyclometer?)





From: "eddie...@gmail.com" 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 6:09:20 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Tom Ritchey, in His Own Words

Chris, my Ritchey can be seen here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/sets/72157606645245888/
or
http://bit.ly/fHtURa

I've got metal fenders to install when I get the chance. The SKS I put
on to start are a little narrow.

Ed

On Jan 12, 11:05 pm, "XO-1.org Rough Riders"
 wrote:
> Ed, I'd like to see some photos of that customized Ritchey!
>
> - Chris Kostmanhttp://www.XO-1.org
>
> On Jan 12, 8:02 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > Us too. I called Rivendell when Grant first mentioned a tandem a
> > couple years ago in a reader, and tried to put down a deposit, but
> > they declined. We're ready anytime, Grant.
>
> > I have a Toyo-built Ritchey Logic road frameset that I bought new in
> > 1995. After owning a couple of Rivendell production bikes, I had the
> > Ritchey refurbished in 2008 with a new Bilenky steel fork with
> > extended steerer tube, clearances changed to accommodate 57mm reach
> > brakes and new fender eyelets. It's my personal Ritchey-Bilenky
> > "Roadeo." It's not my best bike, but it's my favorite, if that makes
> > sense.
>
> > Ed Felker
>
> > On Jan 12, 4:22 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, William  wrote:
> > > > "If we ever do a tandem, we'll
> > > > likely do the same. "
>
> > > > I'd love to see it.  I'd hope to be able to consider buying one.
>
> > > How many tandems pre-ordered does it take to cover the dev of the lugs?
>
> > > Alternatively, would it ever be possible for a tandem as a full-custom?
>
> > > I'm ever-hopeful but probably just going to talk to bilenky.
>
> > > -sv

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Mark's Rack Hardware

2011-01-13 Thread SteveF
This raises a question I've been ponderin' for a while.  Does Nitto
offer mini-rack style canti-mount struts for the Mark's rack?  I've
seen some made for the Campee rack but they're likely too short.
Here:

http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=146_240&products_id=7978

Steve


On Jan 11, 11:29 am, Thomas Lynn Skean 
wrote:
> The RBW web site has lots of useful information how to install a
> Mark's Rack. It has pictures which include all of the hardware the
> rack originally came with. And it has pictures of the rack installed
> in various ways.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/mark-s-rack-nitto/20-108
>
> They also sell spares that you may need, including special Nitto
> vibration-resistant strut-attaching nuts/bolts/collars that I've never
> seen anywhere but from Nitto. Whether they have any in stock is always
> a question.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/nitto-rack-hardware/20-077http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/nitto-band-clamps/20-016
>
> The hardware is not particularly cheap. But the only things I've seen
> "ready-to-use" substitutes for in hardware stores are the normal-
> looking nuts/bolts/washers that connect the "diving board" to the rack
> platform and to the fork crown hole (all metric, which means not very
> common... and stainless metric is less so, though my local Ace has
> *some*) and the "band clamps", which are sometimes referred to as "P-
> clamps" (though even those are hard-ish to find in stainless steel).
>
> Hope this helps. It's not complicated when you're looking at
> everything. But I do find it complicated to talk about in the
> abstract.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>
> On Jan 10, 8:33 pm, Jon Flaxman  wrote:
>
> > Greetings all from snowy Arkansas (!)
>
> > The PO of my new-to-me Canti-Rom didn't pack the loose parts carefully and 
> > as such, I am now missing the mounting screws for the Mark's Rack.
>
> > Anyone gave some spare parts hanging around, or know of the Home Depot 
> > alternatives? I'm at a disadvantage, as I've never seen one if these racks 
> > so I'm not sure what all is missing. I just know that I have a rack and no 
> > nuts or spacers or whatever.
>
> > Thanks!
>
> > Sent from my iPhone

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[RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell

2011-01-13 Thread Adam


On Jan 10, 4:45 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
> +1
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> > Well this is the "Riv Owners Group" what better place to be snarky?
> > I say Snark on.. we aren't that thin skinned.
>
> > Kelly
>
> > Fai Mao wrote:
> >> I struggled to post on this thread. But I can't say what I want to say
> >> without it sounding snarky towards people that ride other types of bikes 
> >> and
> >> I don't mean to denigrate them. So I'll just say: I wish Douglas Brooks
> >> would post here. I miss him from the old I-Bob list
>
> >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 1:42 AM, CycloFiend 
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > on 1/9/11 8:37 AM, JimD at rasterd...@comcast.net wrote:
> >> > > I like looking at the 'staff bikes' on the Riv site.
> >> > > Grant's bikes have a fair number of 'things' on em.
> >> > > Mark Abele's bikes tend to be spare.
> >> > > There's no one way.
> >> > > We do and ride what we like and what works.
>
> >> > From "Tips for Happy Riding" - the version which I'd scanned from a 2006
> >> > catalog:
>
> >> > "If you buy a stock bike, do something to it that makes it the only one
> >> > exactly like it in the world."
>
> >> >http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/happyriding.html
>
> >> > --
> >> > Jim Edgar
> >> > cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
> >> > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com
> >> > Current Classics - Cross Bikes
> >> > Singlespeed - Working Bikes
>
> >> > Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com
>
> >> > "I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I
> >> > follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me."
> >> > -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac"
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Butterscotch canti AHH frameset. w/headset, paul brakes, nitto seatpost, make offer

2011-01-13 Thread Stephen
Hi again, I'm happy to accept less than reasonable offers for this
frame before I ebay it.  I'm not confident I'd get much out of the
auction process, and I'd be happier knowing someone here was riding
it.  If this frame fits you or someone you really really like, dont
let the price keep you from contacting me.  Take care.

On Dec 23 2010, 9:23 pm, Stephen  wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37778385@N07/sets/72157625536602711/
>
> sorry for the poor photos, yall know how hard it is to capture a
> rivendell in pictures.
>
> Its a re branded Saluki, with canti mounts.
>
> All beat up, no dents. Comes with Paul brakes and Nitto seatpost. It's
> as butterscotch as the first Salukis, though i dont know if those had
> the same subtle sparkle as this custom color does. Of course the
> photos don't do the color justice. Its butterscotch though, not any
> variation of it.
>
> I caught the right front brake arm in my wheel, stupidly. It's bent,
> but works fine, sometimes too well.
>
> AND i broke a screw off in the left side fender braze on. That sucks.
>
> All put together, you don't notice the paint chips, really. I rode it
> down the coast of California last year, and between the rides and the
> disassemblies, it got scratched up. I never thought in a million years
> i would sell it, so i just rode the hell out of it. I also never
> thought i would by a Rivendell too small. I did, and 2 years later I'm
> ready to admit it. So here you go!
>
> Contact me off the list with questions and such,
>
> ~Stephen

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Ritchey, in His Own Words

2011-01-13 Thread robert zeidler
For the sake of conversation, what would be the detail differences
between this and, say, a Roadeo?

Just axin', you know?

RGZ

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:09 AM, eddie...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Chris, my Ritchey can be seen here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/sets/72157606645245888/
> or
> http://bit.ly/fHtURa
>
> I've got metal fenders to install when I get the chance. The SKS I put
> on to start are a little narrow.
>
> Ed
>
> On Jan 12, 11:05 pm, "XO-1.org Rough Riders"
>  wrote:
>> Ed, I'd like to see some photos of that customized Ritchey!
>>
>> - Chris Kostmanhttp://www.XO-1.org
>>
>> On Jan 12, 8:02 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>>
>> > Us too. I called Rivendell when Grant first mentioned a tandem a
>> > couple years ago in a reader, and tried to put down a deposit, but
>> > they declined. We're ready anytime, Grant.
>>
>> > I have a Toyo-built Ritchey Logic road frameset that I bought new in
>> > 1995. After owning a couple of Rivendell production bikes, I had the
>> > Ritchey refurbished in 2008 with a new Bilenky steel fork with
>> > extended steerer tube, clearances changed to accommodate 57mm reach
>> > brakes and new fender eyelets. It's my personal Ritchey-Bilenky
>> > "Roadeo." It's not my best bike, but it's my favorite, if that makes
>> > sense.
>>
>> > Ed Felker
>>
>> > On Jan 12, 4:22 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>>
>> > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, William  wrote:
>> > > > "If we ever do a tandem, we'll
>> > > > likely do the same. "
>>
>> > > > I'd love to see it.  I'd hope to be able to consider buying one.
>>
>> > > How many tandems pre-ordered does it take to cover the dev of the lugs?
>>
>> > > Alternatively, would it ever be possible for a tandem as a full-custom?
>>
>> > > I'm ever-hopeful but probably just going to talk to bilenky.
>>
>> > > -sv
>
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[RBW] Re: Tom Ritchey, in His Own Words

2011-01-13 Thread Michael_S
as someone who's looked into this... The Ritchey's have shorter
wheelbases and chain stays, and the seat angles are much steeper. And
as mentioned tire clearance is less. All features I have come to
prefer in the Rivendell bikes.

And of course there is the absence of those beautiful lugs.
~Mike~

On Jan 13, 9:54 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
> For the sake of conversation, what would be the detail differences
> between this and, say, a Roadeo?
>
> Just axin', you know?
>
> RGZ
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:09 AM, eddie...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
> > Chris, my Ritchey can be seen here:
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/sets/72157606645245888/
> > or
> >http://bit.ly/fHtURa
>
> > I've got metal fenders to install when I get the chance. The SKS I put
> > on to start are a little narrow.
>
> > Ed
>
> > On Jan 12, 11:05 pm, "XO-1.org Rough Riders"
> >  wrote:
> >> Ed, I'd like to see some photos of that customized Ritchey!
>
> >> - Chris Kostmanhttp://www.XO-1.org
>
> >> On Jan 12, 8:02 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> >> > Us too. I called Rivendell when Grant first mentioned a tandem a
> >> > couple years ago in a reader, and tried to put down a deposit, but
> >> > they declined. We're ready anytime, Grant.
>
> >> > I have a Toyo-built Ritchey Logic road frameset that I bought new in
> >> > 1995. After owning a couple of Rivendell production bikes, I had the
> >> > Ritchey refurbished in 2008 with a new Bilenky steel fork with
> >> > extended steerer tube, clearances changed to accommodate 57mm reach
> >> > brakes and new fender eyelets. It's my personal Ritchey-Bilenky
> >> > "Roadeo." It's not my best bike, but it's my favorite, if that makes
> >> > sense.
>
> >> > Ed Felker
>
> >> > On Jan 12, 4:22 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> >> > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, William  wrote:
> >> > > > "If we ever do a tandem, we'll
> >> > > > likely do the same. "
>
> >> > > > I'd love to see it.  I'd hope to be able to consider buying one.
>
> >> > > How many tandems pre-ordered does it take to cover the dev of the lugs?
>
> >> > > Alternatively, would it ever be possible for a tandem as a full-custom?
>
> >> > > I'm ever-hopeful but probably just going to talk to bilenky.
>
> >> > > -sv
>
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[RBW] 58 Saluki on CL

2011-01-13 Thread Michael_S
noticed this on CL today... my size and green too!  I'm really trying
to restrain myself
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2157513840.html

Hopefully someone else will pick it up and solve my dilemna.

~Mike~

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[RBW] Re: 58 Saluki on CL

2011-01-13 Thread rcnute
It's a beaut.  Buy it!

Ryan

On Jan 13, 11:29 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> noticed this on CL today... my size and green too!  I'm really trying
> to restrain myselfhttp://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2157513840.html
>
> Hopefully someone else will pick it up and solve my dilemna.
>
> ~Mike~

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[RBW] Re: Tom Ritchey, in His Own Words

2011-01-13 Thread Tim McNamara

On Jan 13, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Michael_S wrote:

> as someone who's looked into this... The Ritchey's have shorter
> wheelbases and chain stays, and the seat angles are much steeper. And
> as mentioned tire clearance is less. All features I have come to
> prefer in the Rivendell bikes.

While there is certainly truth in this, I would mention that my mid 90s Ritchey 
Road Classic is the best handling bike I have ever ridden.  Road races, crits, 
brevets, climbs, descents, you name it.  A superb road machine that is just an 
extension of your body.  And beautiful fillets that make one tube flow into 
another with beautiful curves.  It's a masterpiece.

Not even remotely room for fenders, tires fatter than 28 (25, really), etc.  
That's not what Ritchey is about, but Rivendell has that covered!

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[RBW] Re: Tom Ritchey, in His Own Words

2011-01-13 Thread eddie...@gmail.com
Correct. The Ritchey in my size frame, 58cm, has 73.5 seat and head
tube angles, 41.5mm chainstays. Wheelbase is 99.5. No lugs, but the
welds are pretty nice.

It has great sentimental value and quality Toyo construction, but
needed a repaint. I rarely rode it because the clearances were too
tight for all but 25mm tires. Rather than retire it, I decided it was
worth changing it to take 28mm Pasela tires and fenders. It's still a
rather stiff, snappy race bike, but a fair bit more fun and
comfortable to ride now.

Starting from scratch, I would get the Roadeo.

Ed



On Jan 13, 2:23 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> as someone who's looked into this... The Ritchey's have shorter
> wheelbases and chain stays, and the seat angles are much steeper. And
> as mentioned tire clearance is less. All features I have come to
> prefer in the Rivendell bikes.
>
> And of course there is the absence of those beautiful lugs.
> ~Mike~
>
> On Jan 13, 9:54 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
>
> > For the sake of conversation, what would be the detail differences
> > between this and, say, a Roadeo?
>
> > Just axin', you know?
>
> > RGZ
>
> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:09 AM, eddie...@gmail.com  
> > wrote:
> > > Chris, my Ritchey can be seen here:
>
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/sets/72157606645245888/
> > > or
> > >http://bit.ly/fHtURa
>
> > > I've got metal fenders to install when I get the chance. The SKS I put
> > > on to start are a little narrow.
>
> > > Ed
>
> > > On Jan 12, 11:05 pm, "XO-1.org Rough Riders"
> > >  wrote:
> > >> Ed, I'd like to see some photos of that customized Ritchey!
>
> > >> - Chris Kostmanhttp://www.XO-1.org
>
> > >> On Jan 12, 8:02 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > >> > Us too. I called Rivendell when Grant first mentioned a tandem a
> > >> > couple years ago in a reader, and tried to put down a deposit, but
> > >> > they declined. We're ready anytime, Grant.
>
> > >> > I have a Toyo-built Ritchey Logic road frameset that I bought new in
> > >> > 1995. After owning a couple of Rivendell production bikes, I had the
> > >> > Ritchey refurbished in 2008 with a new Bilenky steel fork with
> > >> > extended steerer tube, clearances changed to accommodate 57mm reach
> > >> > brakes and new fender eyelets. It's my personal Ritchey-Bilenky
> > >> > "Roadeo." It's not my best bike, but it's my favorite, if that makes
> > >> > sense.
>
> > >> > Ed Felker
>
> > >> > On Jan 12, 4:22 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> > >> > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, William  wrote:
> > >> > > > "If we ever do a tandem, we'll
> > >> > > > likely do the same. "
>
> > >> > > > I'd love to see it.  I'd hope to be able to consider buying one.
>
> > >> > > How many tandems pre-ordered does it take to cover the dev of the 
> > >> > > lugs?
>
> > >> > > Alternatively, would it ever be possible for a tandem as a 
> > >> > > full-custom?
>
> > >> > > I'm ever-hopeful but probably just going to talk to bilenky.
>
> > >> > > -sv
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[RBW] Re: 58 Saluki on CL

2011-01-13 Thread William
very snazzy.  I've been riding mine a lot.  It's dynamite.

On Jan 13, 11:50 am, rcnute  wrote:
> It's a beaut.  Buy it!
>
> Ryan
>
> On Jan 13, 11:29 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > noticed this on CL today... my size and green too!  I'm really trying
> > to restrain myselfhttp://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2157513840.html
>
> > Hopefully someone else will pick it up and solve my dilemna.
>
> > ~Mike~
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell readers to Kindle

2011-01-13 Thread jlvota
I can't say whether or not this will definitely work or not since I do
not have a Kindle, but I would try using Calibre to convert the PDF to
either a MOBI or AZW file.  If you don't have Calibre, I would
recommend getting it if you purchase e-books in other formats, as it
is a very handy thing to have if you want to convert a Nook or iBook
to be read in Kindle.  I have also used it to convert textbooks from
PDF to ePUB to be read in iBooks because I am also not as happy with
the way that PDF files look compared to ePUB on my iPad.  Here is the
link (btw, it's free):

http://calibre-ebook.com/

On Jan 12, 2:18 pm, ccanter  wrote:
> I hope this is on topic enough.  Does anyone know of a way to make the
> Riv reader pdfs more Kindle friendly? I can put them on mine, but it's
> a pain to read them.
> Thanks,
> Clyde Canter

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[RBW] Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for hauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread robert zeidler
Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
slide the wheel in next to it

Anyway, what is everybody else doing?

RGZ

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[RBW] Re: Flickr link

2011-01-13 Thread Marty
Thanks for the tip Jim, here're the groups I admin - all cleaned up:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/hunqapillar/
http://www.flickr.com/groups/allrounder/
http://www.flickr.com/groups/simpleone/
http://www.flickr.com/groups/tallriders/
http://www.flickr.com/groups/localbikeshops/

The last one is not Riv-connected, just a place to drop photos of your
favorite LBS, of course, that could include RBWHQ!

Marty


On Jan 12, 10:09 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 1/12/11 2:22 PM, erik jensen at bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> hunqapillar group;http://www.flickr.com/groups/1358127@N23/
>
> Thanks to everyone who forwarded links to the flickr groups!
>
> I'm going to aggregate them this week, but in the meantime - if you are the
> person who administers any of the particular flickr groups, you might go
> back and give it an "official" name.  It's pretty straight forward for the
> person who administers the group, once you log in and go to the group admin
> tab/link.  
>
> The benefit is that the link will no longer have the "@" symbol in the url.
> In some people's email, that will render oddly, invalidating the link.  It
> also makes a better mnemonic  - if you know that flickr groups start 
> withwww.flickr.com/groups, then you just have to think "hilsen", "roadeo", 
> etc.
>
> - Jim
> --
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>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 58 Saluki on CL

2011-01-13 Thread Bruce
Rode mine Saturday over a mix of smooth, coarse, and dirt roads. Wonderful 
bike. 
Tough ride from headwinds and 14% climbs (thanks Phil, for the 26/34 combo!)





From: William 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 3:35:50 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: 58 Saluki on CL

very snazzy.  I've been riding mine a lot.  It's dynamite.

On Jan 13, 11:50 am, rcnute  wrote:
> It's a beaut.  Buy it!
>
> Ryan
>
> On Jan 13, 11:29 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > noticed this on CL today... my size and green too!  I'm really trying
> > to restrain myselfhttp://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2157513840.html
>
> >
>



  

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Butterscotch canti AHH frameset. w/headset, paul brakes, nitto seatpost, make offer

2011-01-13 Thread James Warren

Beautiful frame. I hope you get what it's worth, and I hope someone who 
appreciates its greatness really enjoys it.


-Original Message-
>From: Stephen 
>Sent: Jan 13, 2011 9:01 AM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Butterscotch canti AHH frameset. w/headset, paul 
>brakes, nitto seatpost, make offer
>
>Hi again, I'm happy to accept less than reasonable offers for this
>frame before I ebay it.  I'm not confident I'd get much out of the
>auction process, and I'd be happier knowing someone here was riding
>it.  If this frame fits you or someone you really really like, dont
>let the price keep you from contacting me.  Take care.
>
>On Dec 23 2010, 9:23 pm, Stephen  wrote:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37778385@N07/sets/72157625536602711/
>>
>> sorry for the poor photos, yall know how hard it is to capture a
>> rivendell in pictures.
>>
>> Its a re branded Saluki, with canti mounts.
>>
>> All beat up, no dents. Comes with Paul brakes and Nitto seatpost. It's
>> as butterscotch as the first Salukis, though i dont know if those had
>> the same subtle sparkle as this custom color does. Of course the
>> photos don't do the color justice. Its butterscotch though, not any
>> variation of it.
>>
>> I caught the right front brake arm in my wheel, stupidly. It's bent,
>> but works fine, sometimes too well.
>>
>> AND i broke a screw off in the left side fender braze on. That sucks.
>>
>> All put together, you don't notice the paint chips, really. I rode it
>> down the coast of California last year, and between the rides and the
>> disassemblies, it got scratched up. I never thought in a million years
>> i would sell it, so i just rode the hell out of it. I also never
>> thought i would by a Rivendell too small. I did, and 2 years later I'm
>> ready to admit it. So here you go!
>>
>> Contact me off the list with questions and such,
>>
>> ~Stephen
>
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[RBW] Re: Tom Ritchey, in His Own Words

2011-01-13 Thread XO-1.org Rough Riders
Ed, besides the new fork, what else did you have done to it?

- Chris Kostman
http://www.XO-1.org
http://www.adventurecorps.com

On Jan 13, 12:50 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> Correct. The Ritchey in my size frame, 58cm, has 73.5 seat and head
> tube angles, 41.5mm chainstays. Wheelbase is 99.5. No lugs, but the
> welds are pretty nice.
>
> It has great sentimental value and quality Toyo construction, but
> needed a repaint. I rarely rode it because the clearances were too
> tight for all but 25mm tires. Rather than retire it, I decided it was
> worth changing it to take 28mm Pasela tires and fenders. It's still a
> rather stiff, snappy race bike, but a fair bit more fun and
> comfortable to ride now.
>
> Starting from scratch, I would get the Roadeo.
>
> Ed
>
> On Jan 13, 2:23 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > as someone who's looked into this... The Ritchey's have shorter
> > wheelbases and chain stays, and the seat angles are much steeper. And
> > as mentioned tire clearance is less. All features I have come to
> > prefer in the Rivendell bikes.
>
> > And of course there is the absence of those beautiful lugs.
> > ~Mike~
>
> > On Jan 13, 9:54 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
>
> > > For the sake of conversation, what would be the detail differences
> > > between this and, say, a Roadeo?
>
> > > Just axin', you know?
>
> > > RGZ
>
> > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:09 AM, eddie...@gmail.com  
> > > wrote:
> > > > Chris, my Ritchey can be seen here:
>
> > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/sets/72157606645245888/
> > > > or
> > > >http://bit.ly/fHtURa
>
> > > > I've got metal fenders to install when I get the chance. The SKS I put
> > > > on to start are a little narrow.
>
> > > > Ed
>
> > > > On Jan 12, 11:05 pm, "XO-1.org Rough Riders"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >> Ed, I'd like to see some photos of that customized Ritchey!
>
> > > >> - Chris Kostmanhttp://www.XO-1.org
>
> > > >> On Jan 12, 8:02 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > > >> > Us too. I called Rivendell when Grant first mentioned a tandem a
> > > >> > couple years ago in a reader, and tried to put down a deposit, but
> > > >> > they declined. We're ready anytime, Grant.
>
> > > >> > I have a Toyo-built Ritchey Logic road frameset that I bought new in
> > > >> > 1995. After owning a couple of Rivendell production bikes, I had the
> > > >> > Ritchey refurbished in 2008 with a new Bilenky steel fork with
> > > >> > extended steerer tube, clearances changed to accommodate 57mm reach
> > > >> > brakes and new fender eyelets. It's my personal Ritchey-Bilenky
> > > >> > "Roadeo." It's not my best bike, but it's my favorite, if that makes
> > > >> > sense.
>
> > > >> > Ed Felker
>
> > > >> > On Jan 12, 4:22 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> > > >> > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, William  
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > "If we ever do a tandem, we'll
> > > >> > > > likely do the same. "
>
> > > >> > > > I'd love to see it.  I'd hope to be able to consider buying one.
>
> > > >> > > How many tandems pre-ordered does it take to cover the dev of the 
> > > >> > > lugs?
>
> > > >> > > Alternatively, would it ever be possible for a tandem as a 
> > > >> > > full-custom?
>
> > > >> > > I'm ever-hopeful but probably just going to talk to bilenky.
>
> > > >> > > -sv
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[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for hauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread Kelly Sleeper
Good luck with that.  I had a General Motors mini van 6 years ago that
I could do that with.  When I got my Ford Mini 2 Years later I
couldn't do it any more becauseof a bench rear seat an not enough
length for my bikes anyway.  Then went to roof racks.

We are now looking at a full sized van.   I don't think my bikes would
fit inside a wranger without lowering the seat .. then I don't see the
length with a rear seat.

Since buying my Rivendells I've had a nightmare with roof mounts too.
The only rack that works well is my tandem rack for fender
clearance.   I found a simliar design at draftmaster which is made for
bikes with fenders.  At 114 bucks I may have to buy some to replace my
thules.

I forgot to mention that locking the bikes to the roof has worked
well ...though I hate the bugs and such.. the bra's just add wind
resistance and kill gas milage dramatically.

Kelly

Good luck with that.

robert zeidler wrote:
> Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
> like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
> theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
> a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
> slide the wheel in next to it
>
> Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
>
> RGZ

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[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for hauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread AmiSingh
Standard loading procedure:

1. Take front wheel off.  Lean front wheel on side of vehicle.
2. Slide Homer in trunk of vehicle, back wheel first.  Homer must be
diagonal to fit fully.
3. Place front wheel in remaining open space in vehicle securely.

RGZ - why not build a stand for your wheels?  Sounds like a fun winter
project and an excuse to go down to the hardware store ;)

For us tall guys, it helps if you have an SUV / Station Wagon.

I've contemplated loading it in a car with the rear seats folded.  To
do this I'd remove both front and rear wheels, lower the seat post and
stem and then slide it in.

I'm considering a car-rack/trailer hitch for vacationing this spring
and summer ... anyone have any experience with Yakima or Thule tow-
hitch racks?

Ami

On Jan 13, 6:02 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
> like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
> theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
> a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
> slide the wheel in next to it
>
> Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
>
> RGZ

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[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for hauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread rperks
Take a look at the Ford Transit connect.  My buddy has one and we get
two decent sized bikes in there.  I can get my 63cm bikes into the VW
Golf, but that is with one rear seat removed and the other folded
down.  Even with that the seat is like 1/8" from the headliner and
people cringe when I shut the back hatch.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/5254096133/in/set-72157625583483616/

Smaller than the TC above and you a likely looking at seat removal,
other than that you are in van territory.  I dream of a Dodge
Sprinter.

Rob

On Jan 13, 3:02 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
> like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
> theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
> a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
> slide the wheel in next to it
>
> Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
>
> RGZ

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[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for hauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread MichaelH
I drive a 2010 Prius and have no trouble carrying either two full size
bikes, or our Bilenkey, coupled touring tandem inside the car. Last
summer we went from Vt to MI and back with the tandem inside our car.
I have a Saris hitch rack that quickly carries two single bikes or the
tandem in two parts, on the rack.  My Thule Tandem roof rack, which is
a rebranded ATOC Carrier,  can carry the tandem, or a single bike,
with fenders, on the roof.  I have also used a Thule carrier
(Criterium) that grips the down tube and therefore allows for fenders
and quick access.  I easily carry a 19 1/2 foot expedition canoe on
top of my Prius, and the hatchback makes accessing equipment pretty
easy.

Last month, I drove up to an outlet and bought a full size, seven foot
Christmas tree.  The seller was amazed as I quickly tied up the entire
tree, slid it inside my car and closed the hatchback for the drive
home.  You can't do that with  an SUV.

Frankly, an SUV like the Jeep, is the least useful shape for carrying
cargo, and the van and mini van, while quite useful for many
applications, are overkill for people who occasionally carry large
items.

michael,
westford, vt.


On Jan 13, 6:02 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
> like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
> theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
> a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
> slide the wheel in next to it
>
> Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
>
> RGZ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle forhauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread zeidler . robert
Well that's just it. I had a Focus SVT w/ a roof-rack for a bit, but as a bike 
hauler Bugs, a Brooks that you really can't get wet (only the heaviest 
baggy will work, but even they shred), so I thought the 4dr Wrangler might 
work. Fold/remove the back seat. Never measured the floor/ceiling distance. The 
new little Ford van has promise but doesn't have enough sex as far as I'm 
concerned. A VW GTI van would work. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: Kelly Sleeper 
Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:25:45 
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for
 hauling your bike?

Good luck with that.  I had a General Motors mini van 6 years ago that
I could do that with.  When I got my Ford Mini 2 Years later I
couldn't do it any more becauseof a bench rear seat an not enough
length for my bikes anyway.  Then went to roof racks.

We are now looking at a full sized van.   I don't think my bikes would
fit inside a wranger without lowering the seat .. then I don't see the
length with a rear seat.

Since buying my Rivendells I've had a nightmare with roof mounts too.
The only rack that works well is my tandem rack for fender
clearance.   I found a simliar design at draftmaster which is made for
bikes with fenders.  At 114 bucks I may have to buy some to replace my
thules.

I forgot to mention that locking the bikes to the roof has worked
well ...though I hate the bugs and such.. the bra's just add wind
resistance and kill gas milage dramatically.

Kelly

Good luck with that.

robert zeidler wrote:
> Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
> like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
> theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
> a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
> slide the wheel in next to it
>
> Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
>
> RGZ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle forhauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread zeidler . robert
I have the spare wheel Thule Rack. I like it. But if it rains 
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for
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Standard loading procedure:

1. Take front wheel off.  Lean front wheel on side of vehicle.
2. Slide Homer in trunk of vehicle, back wheel first.  Homer must be
diagonal to fit fully.
3. Place front wheel in remaining open space in vehicle securely.

RGZ - why not build a stand for your wheels?  Sounds like a fun winter
project and an excuse to go down to the hardware store ;)

For us tall guys, it helps if you have an SUV / Station Wagon.

I've contemplated loading it in a car with the rear seats folded.  To
do this I'd remove both front and rear wheels, lower the seat post and
stem and then slide it in.

I'm considering a car-rack/trailer hitch for vacationing this spring
and summer ... anyone have any experience with Yakima or Thule tow-
hitch racks?

Ami

On Jan 13, 6:02 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
> like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
> theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
> a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
> slide the wheel in next to it
>
> Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
>
> RGZ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle forhauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread zeidler . robert
I have a fleet of vans-27 Fords and one Sprinter w/ 265k on it. We normally 
turn them over @ 160, but we're pushing the Sprinter to the last mile. Been 
very reliable. Can't get a Dodge any more, only M-B or Freightliner. There was 
a guy on the web a few years ago who customized one for sailboarding. May still 
be on there. 
I like the VW solution because I'd love a GTI. Do you remove the seatpost?
RGZ
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for
 hauling your bike?

Take a look at the Ford Transit connect.  My buddy has one and we get
two decent sized bikes in there.  I can get my 63cm bikes into the VW
Golf, but that is with one rear seat removed and the other folded
down.  Even with that the seat is like 1/8" from the headliner and
people cringe when I shut the back hatch.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/5254096133/in/set-72157625583483616/

Smaller than the TC above and you a likely looking at seat removal,
other than that you are in van territory.  I dream of a Dodge
Sprinter.

Rob

On Jan 13, 3:02 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
> like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
> theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
> a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
> slide the wheel in next to it
>
> Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
>
> RGZ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle forhauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread zeidler . robert
Well, all true, but also in the Jeeps favor:
4WD-you probably got the same 30+" we got yesterday.
Removable tops, doors, so you also have a convertible. 
A certain fun factor too. 
RGZ
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for
 hauling your bike?

I drive a 2010 Prius and have no trouble carrying either two full size
bikes, or our Bilenkey, coupled touring tandem inside the car. Last
summer we went from Vt to MI and back with the tandem inside our car.
I have a Saris hitch rack that quickly carries two single bikes or the
tandem in two parts, on the rack.  My Thule Tandem roof rack, which is
a rebranded ATOC Carrier,  can carry the tandem, or a single bike,
with fenders, on the roof.  I have also used a Thule carrier
(Criterium) that grips the down tube and therefore allows for fenders
and quick access.  I easily carry a 19 1/2 foot expedition canoe on
top of my Prius, and the hatchback makes accessing equipment pretty
easy.

Last month, I drove up to an outlet and bought a full size, seven foot
Christmas tree.  The seller was amazed as I quickly tied up the entire
tree, slid it inside my car and closed the hatchback for the drive
home.  You can't do that with  an SUV.

Frankly, an SUV like the Jeep, is the least useful shape for carrying
cargo, and the van and mini van, while quite useful for many
applications, are overkill for people who occasionally carry large
items.

michael,
westford, vt.


On Jan 13, 6:02 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
> like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
> theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
> a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
> slide the wheel in next to it
>
> Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
>
> RGZ

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[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle forhauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread Jeremy Till
Hate to burst your fantasy but a friend has a four door wrangler and
it was never that easy to get our bikes inside...we're both 6'3",
riding ~63cm bikes with ~85cm saddle heights and they couldn't fit
vertically even with front wheel removed.  The Wrangler cabins are
deceiving short, especially behind the rear seat.  Usual procedure was
to remove our front wheels, fold down the rear seat, and lay the bikes
down flat, one on top of the other.   He ended up buying one of the
thule racks that attaches to the spare tire mount.

Best way to haul your bike?  Ride there!


On Jan 13, 5:33 pm, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
> Well, all true, but also in the Jeeps favor:
> 4WD-you probably got the same 30+" we got yesterday.
> Removable tops, doors, so you also have a convertible.
> A certain fun factor too.
> RGZ
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: MichaelH 
>
> Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:20:14
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for
>  hauling your bike?
>
> I drive a 2010 Prius and have no trouble carrying either two full size
> bikes, or our Bilenkey, coupled touring tandem inside the car. Last
> summer we went from Vt to MI and back with the tandem inside our car.
> I have a Saris hitch rack that quickly carries two single bikes or the
> tandem in two parts, on the rack.  My Thule Tandem roof rack, which is
> a rebranded ATOC Carrier,  can carry the tandem, or a single bike,
> with fenders, on the roof.  I have also used a Thule carrier
> (Criterium) that grips the down tube and therefore allows for fenders
> and quick access.  I easily carry a 19 1/2 foot expedition canoe on
> top of my Prius, and the hatchback makes accessing equipment pretty
> easy.
>
> Last month, I drove up to an outlet and bought a full size, seven foot
> Christmas tree.  The seller was amazed as I quickly tied up the entire
> tree, slid it inside my car and closed the hatchback for the drive
> home.  You can't do that with  an SUV.
>
> Frankly, an SUV like the Jeep, is the least useful shape for carrying
> cargo, and the van and mini van, while quite useful for many
> applications, are overkill for people who occasionally carry large
> items.
>
> michael,
> westford, vt.
>
> On Jan 13, 6:02 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> > Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
> > like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
> > theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
> > a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
> > slide the wheel in next to it
>
> > Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
>
> > RGZ
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicleforhauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread zeidler . robert
Can't always ride to the start. I'll have to try the seat-down experiment. 
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle
 forhauling your bike?

Hate to burst your fantasy but a friend has a four door wrangler and
it was never that easy to get our bikes inside...we're both 6'3",
riding ~63cm bikes with ~85cm saddle heights and they couldn't fit
vertically even with front wheel removed.  The Wrangler cabins are
deceiving short, especially behind the rear seat.  Usual procedure was
to remove our front wheels, fold down the rear seat, and lay the bikes
down flat, one on top of the other.   He ended up buying one of the
thule racks that attaches to the spare tire mount.

Best way to haul your bike?  Ride there!


On Jan 13, 5:33 pm, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
> Well, all true, but also in the Jeeps favor:
> 4WD-you probably got the same 30+" we got yesterday.
> Removable tops, doors, so you also have a convertible.
> A certain fun factor too.
> RGZ
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: MichaelH 
>
> Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:20:14
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for
>  hauling your bike?
>
> I drive a 2010 Prius and have no trouble carrying either two full size
> bikes, or our Bilenkey, coupled touring tandem inside the car. Last
> summer we went from Vt to MI and back with the tandem inside our car.
> I have a Saris hitch rack that quickly carries two single bikes or the
> tandem in two parts, on the rack.  My Thule Tandem roof rack, which is
> a rebranded ATOC Carrier,  can carry the tandem, or a single bike,
> with fenders, on the roof.  I have also used a Thule carrier
> (Criterium) that grips the down tube and therefore allows for fenders
> and quick access.  I easily carry a 19 1/2 foot expedition canoe on
> top of my Prius, and the hatchback makes accessing equipment pretty
> easy.
>
> Last month, I drove up to an outlet and bought a full size, seven foot
> Christmas tree.  The seller was amazed as I quickly tied up the entire
> tree, slid it inside my car and closed the hatchback for the drive
> home.  You can't do that with  an SUV.
>
> Frankly, an SUV like the Jeep, is the least useful shape for carrying
> cargo, and the van and mini van, while quite useful for many
> applications, are overkill for people who occasionally carry large
> items.
>
> michael,
> westford, vt.
>
> On Jan 13, 6:02 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> > Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
> > like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
> > theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
> > a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
> > slide the wheel in next to it
>
> > Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
>
> > RGZ
>
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[RBW] Re: Tom Ritchey, in His Own Words

2011-01-13 Thread eddie...@gmail.com
Rear brake bridge moved up to accommodate 57mm reach brake, fender
eyelets added to rear dropouts, repaint to original Imron red, chain
holder peg added on drive side seat stay.

Bilenky supplied the fork, Franklin Frame did the alterations, paint
and decals.

Ed

On Jan 13, 7:17 pm, "XO-1.org Rough Riders" 
wrote:
> Ed, besides the new fork, what else did you have done to it?
>
> - Chris Kostmanhttp://www.XO-1.orghttp://www.adventurecorps.com
>
> On Jan 13, 12:50 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Correct. The Ritchey in my size frame, 58cm, has 73.5 seat and head
> > tube angles, 41.5mm chainstays. Wheelbase is 99.5. No lugs, but the
> > welds are pretty nice.
>
> > It has great sentimental value and quality Toyo construction, but
> > needed a repaint. I rarely rode it because the clearances were too
> > tight for all but 25mm tires. Rather than retire it, I decided it was
> > worth changing it to take 28mm Pasela tires and fenders. It's still a
> > rather stiff, snappy race bike, but a fair bit more fun and
> > comfortable to ride now.
>
> > Starting from scratch, I would get the Roadeo.
>
> > Ed
>
> > On Jan 13, 2:23 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > as someone who's looked into this... The Ritchey's have shorter
> > > wheelbases and chain stays, and the seat angles are much steeper. And
> > > as mentioned tire clearance is less. All features I have come to
> > > prefer in the Rivendell bikes.
>
> > > And of course there is the absence of those beautiful lugs.
> > > ~Mike~
>
> > > On Jan 13, 9:54 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
>
> > > > For the sake of conversation, what would be the detail differences
> > > > between this and, say, a Roadeo?
>
> > > > Just axin', you know?
>
> > > > RGZ
>
> > > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:09 AM, eddie...@gmail.com 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > > Chris, my Ritchey can be seen here:
>
> > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/sets/72157606645245888/
> > > > > or
> > > > >http://bit.ly/fHtURa
>
> > > > > I've got metal fenders to install when I get the chance. The SKS I put
> > > > > on to start are a little narrow.
>
> > > > > Ed
>
> > > > > On Jan 12, 11:05 pm, "XO-1.org Rough Riders"
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >> Ed, I'd like to see some photos of that customized Ritchey!
>
> > > > >> - Chris Kostmanhttp://www.XO-1.org
>
> > > > >> On Jan 12, 8:02 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > > > >> > Us too. I called Rivendell when Grant first mentioned a tandem a
> > > > >> > couple years ago in a reader, and tried to put down a deposit, but
> > > > >> > they declined. We're ready anytime, Grant.
>
> > > > >> > I have a Toyo-built Ritchey Logic road frameset that I bought new 
> > > > >> > in
> > > > >> > 1995. After owning a couple of Rivendell production bikes, I had 
> > > > >> > the
> > > > >> > Ritchey refurbished in 2008 with a new Bilenky steel fork with
> > > > >> > extended steerer tube, clearances changed to accommodate 57mm reach
> > > > >> > brakes and new fender eyelets. It's my personal Ritchey-Bilenky
> > > > >> > "Roadeo." It's not my best bike, but it's my favorite, if that 
> > > > >> > makes
> > > > >> > sense.
>
> > > > >> > Ed Felker
>
> > > > >> > On Jan 12, 4:22 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> > > > >> > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, William  
> > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > > "If we ever do a tandem, we'll
> > > > >> > > > likely do the same. "
>
> > > > >> > > > I'd love to see it.  I'd hope to be able to consider buying 
> > > > >> > > > one.
>
> > > > >> > > How many tandems pre-ordered does it take to cover the dev of 
> > > > >> > > the lugs?
>
> > > > >> > > Alternatively, would it ever be possible for a tandem as a 
> > > > >> > > full-custom?
>
> > > > >> > > I'm ever-hopeful but probably just going to talk to bilenky.
>
> > > > >> > > -sv
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[RBW] Re: Tom Ritchey, in His Own Words

2011-01-13 Thread eddie...@gmail.com
Oh, and the chainstay bridge was drilled and tapped to mount a fender.
The clearance between the stays is quite narrow, however, and I can't
see squeezing a fender in there -- currently I have a tab extending
from the fender to the bridge.

On Jan 13, 9:44 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> Rear brake bridge moved up to accommodate 57mm reach brake, fender
> eyelets added to rear dropouts, repaint to original Imron red, chain
> holder peg added on drive side seat stay.
>
> Bilenky supplied the fork, Franklin Frame did the alterations, paint
> and decals.
>
> Ed
>
> On Jan 13, 7:17 pm, "XO-1.org Rough Riders" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ed, besides the new fork, what else did you have done to it?
>
> > - Chris Kostmanhttp://www.XO-1.orghttp://www.adventurecorps.com
>
> > On Jan 13, 12:50 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > > Correct. The Ritchey in my size frame, 58cm, has 73.5 seat and head
> > > tube angles, 41.5mm chainstays. Wheelbase is 99.5. No lugs, but the
> > > welds are pretty nice.
>
> > > It has great sentimental value and quality Toyo construction, but
> > > needed a repaint. I rarely rode it because the clearances were too
> > > tight for all but 25mm tires. Rather than retire it, I decided it was
> > > worth changing it to take 28mm Pasela tires and fenders. It's still a
> > > rather stiff, snappy race bike, but a fair bit more fun and
> > > comfortable to ride now.
>
> > > Starting from scratch, I would get the Roadeo.
>
> > > Ed
>
> > > On Jan 13, 2:23 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > > as someone who's looked into this... The Ritchey's have shorter
> > > > wheelbases and chain stays, and the seat angles are much steeper. And
> > > > as mentioned tire clearance is less. All features I have come to
> > > > prefer in the Rivendell bikes.
>
> > > > And of course there is the absence of those beautiful lugs.
> > > > ~Mike~
>
> > > > On Jan 13, 9:54 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
>
> > > > > For the sake of conversation, what would be the detail differences
> > > > > between this and, say, a Roadeo?
>
> > > > > Just axin', you know?
>
> > > > > RGZ
>
> > > > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:09 AM, eddie...@gmail.com 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > Chris, my Ritchey can be seen here:
>
> > > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/sets/72157606645245888/
> > > > > > or
> > > > > >http://bit.ly/fHtURa
>
> > > > > > I've got metal fenders to install when I get the chance. The SKS I 
> > > > > > put
> > > > > > on to start are a little narrow.
>
> > > > > > Ed
>
> > > > > > On Jan 12, 11:05 pm, "XO-1.org Rough Riders"
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >> Ed, I'd like to see some photos of that customized Ritchey!
>
> > > > > >> - Chris Kostmanhttp://www.XO-1.org
>
> > > > > >> On Jan 12, 8:02 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  
> > > > > >> wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > Us too. I called Rivendell when Grant first mentioned a tandem a
> > > > > >> > couple years ago in a reader, and tried to put down a deposit, 
> > > > > >> > but
> > > > > >> > they declined. We're ready anytime, Grant.
>
> > > > > >> > I have a Toyo-built Ritchey Logic road frameset that I bought 
> > > > > >> > new in
> > > > > >> > 1995. After owning a couple of Rivendell production bikes, I had 
> > > > > >> > the
> > > > > >> > Ritchey refurbished in 2008 with a new Bilenky steel fork with
> > > > > >> > extended steerer tube, clearances changed to accommodate 57mm 
> > > > > >> > reach
> > > > > >> > brakes and new fender eyelets. It's my personal Ritchey-Bilenky
> > > > > >> > "Roadeo." It's not my best bike, but it's my favorite, if that 
> > > > > >> > makes
> > > > > >> > sense.
>
> > > > > >> > Ed Felker
>
> > > > > >> > On Jan 12, 4:22 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, William  
> > > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > "If we ever do a tandem, we'll
> > > > > >> > > > likely do the same. "
>
> > > > > >> > > > I'd love to see it.  I'd hope to be able to consider buying 
> > > > > >> > > > one.
>
> > > > > >> > > How many tandems pre-ordered does it take to cover the dev of 
> > > > > >> > > the lugs?
>
> > > > > >> > > Alternatively, would it ever be possible for a tandem as a 
> > > > > >> > > full-custom?
>
> > > > > >> > > I'm ever-hopeful but probably just going to talk to bilenky.
>
> > > > > >> > > -sv
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[RBW] Tandem Dreams

2011-01-13 Thread Marty
A bit of discussion on the Ritchey thread got me looking, and I came
across this fine looking that was Riv'ed out by GP hisself, or maybe
one of his elfs. Hadn't seen it before. Ghost of Christmas future
perhaps? Not sure I'll ever truly be in the market, but a guy can
dream, right? Thanks for the extra large file Gino! Love it!

http://tinyurl.com/4hoc6an

Marty

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[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle forhauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread rperks
Sexy is a state of mind, Google turned up this gallery:
http://www.motivemagazine.com/gallery/gallery.html?c=show_thumbs;p=Manufacturers/Ford/Europe/Tourneo
Connect/Interior
draw your own conclusions

As for the Golf, the back seat is fully removed on the side behind the
driver to make room for the rear wheel, passenger side is folded
down.  This just fits my bikes by fractions of an inch, saddle height
around 86-88.  Main reason I worked this out was similar to yours,
security and weather.  If it were not for the wife and baby I would
have pulled all but the driver seat out, think road warior.

On Jan 13, 5:23 pm, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
> Well that's just it. I had a Focus SVT w/ a roof-rack for a bit, but as a 
> bike hauler Bugs, a Brooks that you really can't get wet (only the 
> heaviest baggy will work, but even they shred), so I thought the 4dr Wrangler 
> might work. Fold/remove the back seat. Never measured the floor/ceiling 
> distance. The new little Ford van has promise but doesn't have enough sex as 
> far as I'm concerned. A VW GTI van would work.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kelly Sleeper 
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> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:25:45
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> Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for
>  hauling your bike?
>
> Good luck with that.  I had a General Motors mini van 6 years ago that
> I could do that with.  When I got my Ford Mini 2 Years later I
> couldn't do it any more becauseof a bench rear seat an not enough
> length for my bikes anyway.  Then went to roof racks.
>
> We are now looking at a full sized van.   I don't think my bikes would
> fit inside a wranger without lowering the seat .. then I don't see the
> length with a rear seat.
>
> Since buying my Rivendells I've had a nightmare with roof mounts too.
> The only rack that works well is my tandem rack for fender
> clearance.   I found a simliar design at draftmaster which is made for
> bikes with fenders.  At 114 bucks I may have to buy some to replace my
> thules.
>
> I forgot to mention that locking the bikes to the roof has worked
> well ...though I hate the bugs and such.. the bra's just add wind
> resistance and kill gas milage dramatically.
>
> Kelly
>
> Good luck with that.
>
> robert zeidler wrote:
> > Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
> > like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
> > theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
> > a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
> > slide the wheel in next to it
>
> > Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
>
> > RGZ
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[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicleforhauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread Michael_S
sorry if I'm infringing ( I'm only slightly above avg) on your
subgroup but people say tall bikes can fit upright with front tire off
in the Mitsubishi Outlander. Avail in 4wd too.

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?p=6519393#poststop

~Mike~

On Jan 13, 6:34 pm, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
> Can't always ride to the start. I'll have to try the seat-down experiment.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle
>  forhauling your bike?
>
> Hate to burst your fantasy but a friend has a four door wrangler and
> it was never that easy to get our bikes inside...we're both 6'3",
> riding ~63cm bikes with ~85cm saddle heights and they couldn't fit
> vertically even with front wheel removed.  The Wrangler cabins are
> deceiving short, especially behind the rear seat.  Usual procedure was
> to remove our front wheels, fold down the rear seat, and lay the bikes
> down flat, one on top of the other.   He ended up buying one of the
> thule racks that attaches to the spare tire mount.
>
> Best way to haul your bike?  Ride there!
>
> On Jan 13, 5:33 pm, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Well, all true, but also in the Jeeps favor:
> > 4WD-you probably got the same 30+" we got yesterday.
> > Removable tops, doors, so you also have a convertible.
> > A certain fun factor too.
> > RGZ
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: MichaelH 
>
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> > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:20:14
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> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for
> >  hauling your bike?
>
> > I drive a 2010 Prius and have no trouble carrying either two full size
> > bikes, or our Bilenkey, coupled touring tandem inside the car. Last
> > summer we went from Vt to MI and back with the tandem inside our car.
> > I have a Saris hitch rack that quickly carries two single bikes or the
> > tandem in two parts, on the rack.  My Thule Tandem roof rack, which is
> > a rebranded ATOC Carrier,  can carry the tandem, or a single bike,
> > with fenders, on the roof.  I have also used a Thule carrier
> > (Criterium) that grips the down tube and therefore allows for fenders
> > and quick access.  I easily carry a 19 1/2 foot expedition canoe on
> > top of my Prius, and the hatchback makes accessing equipment pretty
> > easy.
>
> > Last month, I drove up to an outlet and bought a full size, seven foot
> > Christmas tree.  The seller was amazed as I quickly tied up the entire
> > tree, slid it inside my car and closed the hatchback for the drive
> > home.  You can't do that with  an SUV.
>
> > Frankly, an SUV like the Jeep, is the least useful shape for carrying
> > cargo, and the van and mini van, while quite useful for many
> > applications, are overkill for people who occasionally carry large
> > items.
>
> > michael,
> > westford, vt.
>
> > On Jan 13, 6:02 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> > > Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
> > > like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
> > > theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
> > > a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
> > > slide the wheel in next to it
>
> > > Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
>
> > > RGZ
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Re: [RBW] Tandem Dreams

2011-01-13 Thread cyclotourist
Get your own here:
http://www.merciancycles.co.uk/frames/28/super-tourist-tandem

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Marty  wrote:

> A bit of discussion on the Ritchey thread got me looking, and I came
> across this fine looking that was Riv'ed out by GP hisself, or maybe
> one of his elfs. Hadn't seen it before. Ghost of Christmas future
> perhaps? Not sure I'll ever truly be in the market, but a guy can
> dream, right? Thanks for the extra large file Gino! Love it!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4hoc6an
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Tandem Dreams

2011-01-13 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:55 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Get your own here:
> http://www.merciancycles.co.uk/frames/28/super-tourist-tandem
>

I cannot imagine the mind-numbing shipping costs from the UK for one of those.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for hauling your bike?

2011-01-13 Thread Larry Schellhase
I have a VW Vanagon Camper and I can get both my 68cm Ram and wifes 65cm Riv
in the bike. I have a glider board on the back seat with fork mounts and it
works real good. Big bikes will fit into the back of a Honda Element with
both wheels on.

Larry

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, robert zeidler wrote:

> Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
> like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
> theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
> a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
> slide the wheel in next to it
>
> Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
>
> RGZ
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Re: [RBW] Tandem Dreams

2011-01-13 Thread cyclotourist
That's the trick, isn't it.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:55 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
> > Get your own here:
> > http://www.merciancycles.co.uk/frames/28/super-tourist-tandem
> >
>
> I cannot imagine the mind-numbing shipping costs from the UK for one of
> those.
>
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Re: [RBW] Tandem Dreams

2011-01-13 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:46 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> That's the trick, isn't it.
>

So - lets see figure a cool $4000+ for the frame/fork. Then add what?
$600 or more for shipping?

youch

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Re: [RBW] Tandem Dreams

2011-01-13 Thread cyclotourist
I think a call to Bilenky would be a better option.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:46 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
> > That's the trick, isn't it.
> >
>
> So - lets see figure a cool $4000+ for the frame/fork. Then add what?
> $600 or more for shipping?
>
> youch
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Re: [RBW] Tandem Dreams

2011-01-13 Thread James Warren

Yeah, but then you divide the cost by 2.


On Jan 13, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:46 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> That's the trick, isn't it.
>> 
> 
> So - lets see figure a cool $4000+ for the frame/fork. Then add what?
> $600 or more for shipping?
> 
> youch
> 
> -sv
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[RBW] Re: Tom Ritchey, in His Own Words

2011-01-13 Thread XO-1.org Rough Riders
Great stuff, Ed. Thanks for sharing. It's fun to re-purpose a bike. I
recently took my 1983 Raleigh with full Super Record and tubular
wheels and converted it to a clincher 3-speed fixed gear bike. Now, a
bike I haven't ridden in 20 years and had no use for is back on the
road, doing something new, different, and useful!

- Chris Kostman
http://www.XO-1.org
http://www.adventurecorps.com

On Jan 13, 6:48 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> Oh, and the chainstay bridge was drilled and tapped to mount a fender.
> The clearance between the stays is quite narrow, however, and I can't
> see squeezing a fender in there -- currently I have a tab extending
> from the fender to the bridge.
>
> On Jan 13, 9:44 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > Rear brake bridge moved up to accommodate 57mm reach brake, fender
> > eyelets added to rear dropouts, repaint to original Imron red, chain
> > holder peg added on drive side seat stay.
>
> > Bilenky supplied the fork, Franklin Frame did the alterations, paint
> > and decals.
>
> > Ed
>
> > On Jan 13, 7:17 pm, "XO-1.org Rough Riders" 
> > wrote:
>
> > > Ed, besides the new fork, what else did you have done to it?
>
> > > - Chris Kostmanhttp://www.XO-1.orghttp://www.adventurecorps.com
>
> > > On Jan 13, 12:50 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > > > Correct. The Ritchey in my size frame, 58cm, has 73.5 seat and head
> > > > tube angles, 41.5mm chainstays. Wheelbase is 99.5. No lugs, but the
> > > > welds are pretty nice.
>
> > > > It has great sentimental value and quality Toyo construction, but
> > > > needed a repaint. I rarely rode it because the clearances were too
> > > > tight for all but 25mm tires. Rather than retire it, I decided it was
> > > > worth changing it to take 28mm Pasela tires and fenders. It's still a
> > > > rather stiff, snappy race bike, but a fair bit more fun and
> > > > comfortable to ride now.
>
> > > > Starting from scratch, I would get the Roadeo.
>
> > > > Ed
>
> > > > On Jan 13, 2:23 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > > > as someone who's looked into this... The Ritchey's have shorter
> > > > > wheelbases and chain stays, and the seat angles are much steeper. And
> > > > > as mentioned tire clearance is less. All features I have come to
> > > > > prefer in the Rivendell bikes.
>
> > > > > And of course there is the absence of those beautiful lugs.
> > > > > ~Mike~
>
> > > > > On Jan 13, 9:54 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
>
> > > > > > For the sake of conversation, what would be the detail differences
> > > > > > between this and, say, a Roadeo?
>
> > > > > > Just axin', you know?
>
> > > > > > RGZ
>
> > > > > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:09 AM, eddie...@gmail.com 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > Chris, my Ritchey can be seen here:
>
> > > > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/sets/72157606645245888/
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > >http://bit.ly/fHtURa
>
> > > > > > > I've got metal fenders to install when I get the chance. The SKS 
> > > > > > > I put
> > > > > > > on to start are a little narrow.
>
> > > > > > > Ed
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 12, 11:05 pm, "XO-1.org Rough Riders"
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >> Ed, I'd like to see some photos of that customized Ritchey!
>
> > > > > > >> - Chris Kostmanhttp://www.XO-1.org
>
> > > > > > >> On Jan 12, 8:02 pm, "eddie...@gmail.com"  
> > > > > > >> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > Us too. I called Rivendell when Grant first mentioned a tandem 
> > > > > > >> > a
> > > > > > >> > couple years ago in a reader, and tried to put down a deposit, 
> > > > > > >> > but
> > > > > > >> > they declined. We're ready anytime, Grant.
>
> > > > > > >> > I have a Toyo-built Ritchey Logic road frameset that I bought 
> > > > > > >> > new in
> > > > > > >> > 1995. After owning a couple of Rivendell production bikes, I 
> > > > > > >> > had the
> > > > > > >> > Ritchey refurbished in 2008 with a new Bilenky steel fork with
> > > > > > >> > extended steerer tube, clearances changed to accommodate 57mm 
> > > > > > >> > reach
> > > > > > >> > brakes and new fender eyelets. It's my personal Ritchey-Bilenky
> > > > > > >> > "Roadeo." It's not my best bike, but it's my favorite, if that 
> > > > > > >> > makes
> > > > > > >> > sense.
>
> > > > > > >> > Ed Felker
>
> > > > > > >> > On Jan 12, 4:22 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, William 
> > > > > > >> > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > "If we ever do a tandem, we'll
> > > > > > >> > > > likely do the same. "
>
> > > > > > >> > > > I'd love to see it.  I'd hope to be able to consider 
> > > > > > >> > > > buying one.
>
> > > > > > >> > > How many tandems pre-ordered does it take to cover the dev 
> > > > > > >> > > of the lugs?
>
> > > > > > >> > > Alternatively, would it ever be possible for a tandem as a 
> > > > > > >> > > full-custom?
>
> > > > > > >> > > I'm ever-hopeful but probably just going to talk to bilenky.
>
> > > > > > >> > > -sv
>
> > > > > > > --
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell readers to Kindle

2011-01-13 Thread Matthew Z.
Thank you very much for this recommendation. I'm about to grab my
CD's, and throw them on the iPad!

Cheers,
Matthew Z

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