Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyXa39ICIrk This is a quick watch and gets to a lot of the points in the book. Worth a few minutes if you don't have the time or inclination to buy and read the book. BTW - I know people who exercise way more than me, but they are double my weight. Exercise may be good for your muscles and a way to release stress, but it ain't a diet. Exercise is a fad, a crutch for those with time/money to kill - like most of us. I found the other more important (to me) ideas he is talking about in the book are not weight related, but the ties our carb rich diets have with cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc... Brian Seattle On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:54 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't doubt Taube's ideas work for some, even for many; what I doubt (from other things I have read and from what I simply have seen in NA, Europe, Asia and Africa) is that it contains the entire truth about nutrition and related health. Again, there is simply too much variety across the world and across history. In particular, I discount the idea that exercising more will making you gain or at least keep you from losing weight, at least as a universal proposition; not my experience at all. I'm certainly glad that Taube's ideas worked for you. And of course, I admit, that were I to undertake a scholarly examination of the book, I'd have to read it first. But I did read and re-read all the Riv published on the subject On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: I would suggest reading the book. There is lots of information about activity levels having no direct correlation to obesity (other than as we get fatter we are less active, and get more tired when we do an activity, which then leads to us eating more). Worth a read, it will take an afternoon, and what you read may change your mind. I would say that Taubes spends half of the book debunking the calories in/calories out myth. Again, not a scientist, but this is working for me. I have eaten organic vegetables for about 10 years, i would say that most of the time I eat about 90% OG, we have a farm share/CSA that keeps us knee deep in veggies from spring to fall. No question that the increase in veggies helps one to feel healthier. If we are talking dropping weight though, cutting carbs has been the only way I have been able to do so. Personal trainers, food plans, food journals, vegetarian, vegan, all have failed me in the past. I am no more or less committed to this way of eating than I was to those. I was trying to lose weight and was really frustrated that I wasn't successful. At my heaviest I was 265 (I am 6'3), i cut carbs out for a short time about three years ago after being diagnosed with a fatty liver (NASH) and dropped down to 210. I then added carbs back in and went back up to 240, and am moving my way back down again. My activity level has remained relatively constant, as has the amount of food that I eat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7xfUrL3evMwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
Actually, the bulk of the Taubes book is a review of hundreds of obeisity studies from around the world over the last 250 years or so. Taubes is not making any new or novel scientific claims, but rather summarizing the conclusions of those studies and pointing out that today's dominant nutritional advice is at odds with all of the underlying scientific research. Arguing that insulin levels are not the key variable in weight gain is much like arguing that volcanoes are the major cause of global warming, after every independent climate scientist has rejected the conclusion. If someone wants to dispute the veracity of his conclusions they will need to show that insulin does not determine what happens to the calories we consume. I still eat brownies and ice cream, but I don't delude myself about what happens inside my body when I do. michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ePz_c5TrlWIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Hilly Hundred
My son and I are going to ride the Hilly Hundred for the first time this year. I will be riding my Atlantis and my son will be riding his Trek 2200r. My son asked why I was not riding my carbon fiber Cannondale Synapse. I told him someone has to ride a real bike to carry all of our support gear. Anyway, I plan on riding on Jack Brown Green tires and was wondering if this is a good choice for this type of ride? The Jack Browns have been good to me so far. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's the shortest stem that you would use?
OK, did a 24 mile ride this morning and raising the bars seems to have done the trick. I am reasonably comfortable on the hoods for long periods. When on the hoods, the tops are just about lined up with the front hub, which is another positioning indicator that seems to work for me. Now it's time to put on some mileage. Thanks for everyone's input. Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Z3cbRpjhDzgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hilly Hundred
Definitely. I've used Jack Browns on multiple brevets and 100 mile rides and they've been great. I doubt you'd regret using them for this ride unless the road is strewn with glass and debris. Be sure to let us know how the ride goes. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tour 2011
He liked the Hunter well enough. He's friends with Rick (the builder) and got a good deal on the bike. The squishy fork wasn't really needed and he felt like the 26 wheels slowed him down on descents. Obviously we didn't maximize the carrying capacity of either of our bikes but I guess it was nice to know we had something capable of handling a load of firewood and multiple water melons. Although it was hot and dry through the entire trip we never ran out of water. Or rather, the few times we did we were able to collect and treat, with a SteriPen, water from creeks and streams along the road. I can't recommend the Polar and CamelBack insulated bottles enough, they worked great. I wouldn't hesitate to tour and explore E. Oregon again but would do my best to avoid E. WA. --mike On Aug 12, 8:45 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Just finished looking at your trip photos... there were some beautiful sections and some scary. dry desolate sections. Some day I'm going to get up there and do some tours. Maybe next summer. That long Hunter looked like a bus, how did your friend like the bike after the ride was over? ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
Since the subject of Taubes' book finally came up on a thread I might as well check to say that I've been on it for several months now and have lost roughly 14 pounds. I'm 5' 9 and weighed around 191; I've dropped to the mid-170's and am aiming for the low 170's. I'm wearing clothing now that I never thought I'd be able to wear again in this life. My wife has been on it, too, and is losing weight also. I have to thank Riv (Grant) for publishing so much in his readers and on his web site about Taubes and the book. Had it not been for that it's unlikely that I would've gotten a copy. My wife and I both read it and were fascinated by the story Taubes tells about the kind of diet that was common among many different races and cultures around the globe and what happened to them when their main food sources were taken away and they were forced to rely on the Western diet of mainly carbs.And, although Taubes never really comes right out and says it in so many words, it makes one wonder if a bit of conspiracy didn't take place in the late 50's/early 60's when the food processing industry began to really ramp up production of cereals, ready-to-eat toaster pastries, etc. Seems like that was when the food pyramid concept began to be so heavily touted. Draw backs to and warnings about the diet would be these: 1) Taubes stresses that you should drink a couple of cups of bullion daily. DON'T ignore this! A couple of days ago I had to replace the front flex pipe on my pickup and I fought cramps in my legs, neck, and even hands the entire time I was crawling around under the truck. You simply have to replace the sodium that would normally be supplied by carbs with something else. 2) Figure out how you can deal with cravings by eating something other than carb snacks. I'm fortunate in that regard because I'll eat almost anything - so a tin of sardines or kippers, a bag of pork rinds, etc. - they do the trick. If you absolutely can't stand any of that stuff try Atkins bars from the drug store. 3) Taubes recommends a certain amount of leafy greens and non- starchy vegetables every day. This is important unless you want to suffer from unique bowel problems - I've leave it go at that. At this point I can't say that I really miss all of the breads and other carbs I thought I could never live without. I do miss good beer, though, especially the excellent craft brewed stuff so every once in a while I just have to have one. Other than that I'd think the biggest draw back to the diet down the road is going to be sticking to it. I've heard many stories from people who went on the Atkins diet a decade or so ago, lost weight, then gained it back again when the began to stray from it. It sure is easier climbing hills sans 14 or so pounds, though! On Aug 13, 7:16 am, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the bulk of the Taubes book is a review of hundreds of obeisity studies from around the world over the last 250 years or so. Taubes is not making any new or novel scientific claims, but rather summarizing the conclusions of those studies and pointing out that today's dominant nutritional advice is at odds with all of the underlying scientific research. Arguing that insulin levels are not the key variable in weight gain is much like arguing that volcanoes are the major cause of global warming, after every independent climate scientist has rejected the conclusion. If someone wants to dispute the veracity of his conclusions they will need to show that insulin does not determine what happens to the calories we consume. I still eat brownies and ice cream, but I don't delude myself about what happens inside my body when I do. michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW
Was someone going to reserve a site or two? Let us know, it sounds like some people want to go for sure and some are tentative. I would need to switch some plans, but would like to participate if I knew there was a place to plop my bag that night. Thanks, Tony On Aug 11, 10:55 am, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: Checking in from the high sierra. This is a ride where you get the freedom to choose how to get up there. If some want to take roads, others want to take dirt, great. Juniper is just shy of 3000 feet. I tend to ride up on the roads, and take dirt back down from around the junction. Just because I like to get there before too late in the day, and enjoy climbing on smooth pavement. The dirt trail to Juniper Camp, if you're talking about burma road, is entirely a pushing up the hill affair--I did it once and won't again. Too steep to be much more than a good workout and opportunity to mumble to oneself. It'll be hot, and if we're lucky there'll be tarantulas out. They're nice fellows, so you won't need a tent so long as you've got a warm enough bag. Maybe we should just meet at RBW, seeing as this is the RBW list. I'm fine with that one too, and I imagine there'll be a few last minute things folks'll want to pick up. Cheers, erik On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Greg J gregkj...@gmail.com wrote: Count me in (tentative). I've been wanting to dip my toes into the whole s24o thing. Greg Oakland -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/0Pmts5aR0AQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Hilly Hundred
I agree on the tires. They are excellent. On the HH you do not need to be concerned with glass but you do need to watch out for riders that suddenly stop on the hills. The ride is notorious for that. Bill Louisville, Ky Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely. I've used Jack Browns on multiple brevets and 100 mile rides and they've been great. I doubt you'd regret using them for this ride unless the road is strewn with glass and debris. Be sure to let us know how the ride goes. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hilly Hundred
Suddenly stop on the hills, fall over on their bikes (because they're clipped in and can't un-clip soon enough), walk their bikes up the rest of the hill in bunches spread out all across the road regardless of the fact that others are trying to ride up - it becomes a zoo sometimes. You want to make sure you have gearing that's as low as possible because of this. It's not that you may not be physically able to climb the hills with more moderate gearing, it's the hordes of riders doing everything mentioned above that will cause you to start/ stop and go slower than you might ordinarily. Also, unlike other centuries (brevets) I've ridden, like the HHH in North Texas or RAGBRAI where the communities you ride through roll out the red carpet for you, the Brown County, IN, residents seem to resent the bikers and are sometimes down right hostile towards them. I recall one year when someone spread carpet tacks across the road in one section of the route... On Aug 13, 10:28 am, Bill Pustow bpus...@aol.com wrote: I agree on the tires. They are excellent. On the HH you do not need to be concerned with glass but you do need to watch out for riders that suddenly stop on the hills. The ride is notorious for that. Bill Louisville, Ky Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely. I've used Jack Browns on multiple brevets and 100 mile rides and they've been great. I doubt you'd regret using them for this ride unless the road is strewn with glass and debris. Be sure to let us know how the ride goes. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?
Indeed, the reason is clearly explained in the frame description; D-OH! I thought the price had suddenly risen. I'll contact Dick at Country Bike Shop for further info. He spent at least 10 minutes talking to me on the phone last Saturday. Saturday! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vILiJvsCWqIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 3 nice things from Rivendell
I have a couple of items that I really enjoy and Rivendell not only sold them to me, but turned me onto them as well. 1. Sackville BarSack with Nitto rack. This is a great handlebar bag that not only functions well but also looks great. I had an Arkel handlebar bag before this, which functions fine but I never like the look of it. The Barsack looks better and the way it mounts with the Nitto rack is a better all around system in my opinion. 2. Railroad Shirt. What can I say, just a good tough shirt that stands the test of time. I often rode, and still do, in flannel shirts, but the railroad shirt not only looks different but is a little stronger and more durable then my other shirts. 3. Wiggy's Desert Mummy sleeping bag. This is a great sleeping bag for Spring through Fall where I live, tough and large enough to be roomy but not bulky. I love it. On Aug 11, 11:31 pm, MobileBill bud...@mindspring.com wrote: Three surprising things Rivendell led me to (besides my Saluki and my wife's Betty Foy): 1. It sounds silly to say too much about such a small thing, but as I listened to it jingle on the way home this evening, it struck me that the dollar bell Rivendell sells is as close to perfect as any one dollar thing will ever be. The sound is comforting (not at all like the Poe poem Grant attached to it). Not too much; just enough. People smile when I pass by; I think it's me, and then remember it's the bell. It's the best excuse for sleigh bells we'll ever have on the Gulf Coast. Sorry. I said more than I should have. It just seems strange to be so pleased by something that appears so insignificant. 2. Some of us are made for SelleAnatomica saddles. Best I can figure, some of us don't get a proper lift from the too-thin layer of fat covering our sit bones, so the lovely B17 remains a pain, unless we ride it absolutely upright. The design of the SelleAnatomica addresses that anatomical issue, maybe like no other saddle. Unfortunately, SelleAnatomica saddles had a reputation for poor materials, particularly the metal frame. Fortunately, Tom Milton's siblings have taken over the company, and have made a number of excellent changes to the materials and to the website. They've bent over backwards to help me replace some of my old saddles. I'm very pleased with the new chromoly rails, and have mounted it anywhere on my seatpost with confidence. It may be time to give them a second look. 3. I've now gone more than 7,000 miles on my standard Schwalbe Marathons without a flat. As Grant warns, the dang things don't seem to want to wear out, though I'll probably replace them soon just because I don't want to risk discovering their limits. Maybe there are other important things to say about a tire, but this is a key attribute for a tire that has to get me to work 6 days a week. I only regret that Schwalbe doesn't have more offerings (Dureme, for example) in 650b. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] OK, I'll bite
We just keep our cc's/checkbooks warmed up. On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:44 PM, David T. davidtren...@yahoo.ca wrote: Whatever happened to The Mystery Bike? The one you had to buy sight unseen. I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Roadeo 59 Frame
Hello, I'm new to the site but a long time Rivendell owner. I own a Bleriot and Roadeo. I'm selling the Roadeo frame it is in excellent condition less the 500 miles on the frame. The frame is a 59, Blue and cream with a beautiful Chris King headset (threaded) going for $1500.00. If you are serious about purchasing I will send pictures for your review. David Troy, Michigan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/k5bNt3EBSQMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
I'm with Zack on this... I don't claim to know or understand the underlying processes but I made the switch from a carb-heavy diet to a carb-lite diet in May (after seeing the Riv Taubes vid) and lost 25 pounds making no other changes. I've eased up a bit to a carb-medium diet (150grams/day +/-) and seem to be maintaining my weight. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/aRNKvyjObuYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] 3 nice things from Rivendell
I got a sticker recently too. I put it on my tool box. I'm glad it's a clear background... makes its presence subtle. I probably wouldn't have put it on if the background had been white. I saw a guy with alba bars about a year ago. I had no idea what they were so I waved him down and asked. I was completely smitten by the Riv site. Of course I had to join and order $150 worth to get free shipping. When my order arrived it had Reader #42 in it. What's this? I didn't order any magazine. Just reading the cover set the hook firmly. so, yeah, +1 for the surprises in the box. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kAvyWyfCEcwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?
Thanks, Smitty. I spoke with Dick from Country Bike Shop who has the same bike. He also helped me locate this group to locate a used Ramboullliet or Hilsen, what a guy! If work allows I'm going to drive 12 hours each way to compare the ride of the Sam vs. an A. Homer Hilsen. A $1000 more is going to be a tough sell but have heard that it rides a little more like what I'm accustomed to. Any of you tried a similar comparison? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Eqg3kzi_wvwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] posting woes
on 8/12/11 7:08 AM, jandrews_nyc at jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, thanks is there a spam filter on the RBW groups site? No. I was referring to the gmail (i.e. receiver side) spam filters which seem to be overactive these past couple weeks - I ended up with several reasonably important emails in the spam folder. All had come from established connections. I'm thinking that the groups have a similar issue, with guidelines getting reset for no obvious reason. One of the issues with a free hosting service I suppose. Last week, there was a day when ~30 on-topic emails from established posters got flagged as possible spam. Normally, the delays are only evident from moderated group members. Hope that makes some sense. I'll be away from computers this weekend. - Jim / list admin -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com 'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet. Double disbeleif: not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 3 nice things from Rivendell
It's a peel-off. I got one with a recent order (as well as a Rodeo postcard) a couple months ago. I put the decal on my seat tube just below the 2 decal on my Atlantis. On Aug 12, 2:59 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I like it when I get a little extra in my package. My recent vest/pedals/visor order came with two post cards - Hunqapillar and Roadeo - and a round RBW logo that I haven't quite figured out yet. I can't tell if it's a peel-off sticker, or a soak-off decal. Sure is purty, though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] posting woes
Last week I had a google alert email end up in the spam folder in gmail! That cracked me up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/edaWxCGavDIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
Your experience is very similar to mine. I bought and read both of Taubes' books. I do not follow his recommendations to the letter, by any means, but I did quit most sugar and most carbs. I still have a sandwich now and then, and I eat some chips here and there. I still love beer, but I cut back on that, too. Guess what? 14 pounds in the past two months. Oh, and I'm riding less than I was in the spring, but my average speed has gone way up and I find hill climbing to be very noticeably easier. My point is that Taubes' observations of the hundreds of studies (world wide) of human metabolism point to the same general conclusion: Humans are animals, and proteins are far and away the dominant nutrients required by our bodies. We have, physiologically, almost no use for carbohydrates, and our bodies' insulin system bears that out. Yes, we can tolerate them and even use them effectively, but humans have succumbed to living off of them and are doing more so as time goes by. The parallel with the global increase in obesity and most major diseases is stunningly obvious, yet we do everything in our power to deny it. I'm no zealot, and I'm suspicious of anyone who says there's only one way to do something like diet, but when a simple shift in the percentage of carbs I consume made a (nearly) immediate improvement in my overall health, I was sold. I know I could never follow a strict Primal diet, but strong adjustments in that direction are still measurably beneficial. On 8/13/2011 7:50 AM, George Schick wrote: Since the subject of Taubes' book finally came up on a thread I might as well check to say that I've been on it for several months now and have lost roughly 14 pounds. I'm 5' 9 and weighed around 191; I've dropped to the mid-170's and am aiming for the low 170's. I'm wearing clothing now that I never thought I'd be able to wear again in this life. My wife has been on it, too, and is losing weight also. I have to thank Riv (Grant) for publishing so much in his readers and on his web site about Taubes and the book. Had it not been for that it's unlikely that I would've gotten a copy. My wife and I both read it and were fascinated by the story Taubes tells about the kind of diet that was common among many different races and cultures around the globe and what happened to them when their main food sources were taken away and they were forced to rely on the Western diet of mainly carbs.And, although Taubes never really comes right out and says it in so many words, it makes one wonder if a bit of conspiracy didn't take place in the late 50's/early 60's when the food processing industry began to really ramp up production of cereals, ready-to-eat toaster pastries, etc. Seems like that was when the food pyramid concept began to be so heavily touted. Draw backs to and warnings about the diet would be these: 1) Taubes stresses that you should drink a couple of cups of bullion daily. DON'T ignore this! A couple of days ago I had to replace the front flex pipe on my pickup and I fought cramps in my legs, neck, and even hands the entire time I was crawling around under the truck. You simply have to replace the sodium that would normally be supplied by carbs with something else. 2) Figure out how you can deal with cravings by eating something other than carb snacks. I'm fortunate in that regard because I'll eat almost anything - so a tin of sardines or kippers, a bag of pork rinds, etc. - they do the trick. If you absolutely can't stand any of that stuff try Atkins bars from the drug store. 3) Taubes recommends a certain amount of leafy greens and non- starchy vegetables every day. This is important unless you want to suffer from unique bowel problems - I've leave it go at that. At this point I can't say that I really miss all of the breads and other carbs I thought I could never live without. I do miss good beer, though, especially the excellent craft brewed stuff so every once in a while I just have to have one. Other than that I'd think the biggest draw back to the diet down the road is going to be sticking to it. I've heard many stories from people who went on the Atkins diet a decade or so ago, lost weight, then gained it back again when the began to stray from it. It sure is easier climbing hills sans 14 or so pounds, though! On Aug 13, 7:16 am, Michael Hechmermhech...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the bulk of the Taubes book is a review of hundreds of obeisity studies from around the world over the last 250 years or so. Taubes is not making any new or novel scientific claims, but rather summarizing the conclusions of those studies and pointing out that today's dominant nutritional advice is at odds with all of the underlying scientific research. Arguing that insulin levels are not the key variable in weight gain is much like arguing that volcanoes are the major cause of global warming, after every independent climate scientist has rejected the
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
I think you should actually read Why We Get Fat. What you are asserting is largely refuted in the book. On 8/12/2011 11:00 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: One huge difference between our mid-20th-century-on and the lives of even relatively recent forbears is simply the absence of physical activity. I remember, as a boy in the late '50s and early '60s how road crews would use picks, shovels and hand-controlled jackhammers, while road crews today for the most part seem to have a big, yellow machine to do it all. And with the move to suburbia, people don't even have to walk to the bus stop or train station any more. You read of pre-industrial or early industrial workers who spent hours every day, six days a week, throughout their working lives, digging, plowing, sawing, nailing, axing, fishing, bricklaying, etc. Even my mother's family, who were well-to-do provincial squirearchy in southern Luzon, never owned a car until the Yanks gave my by-then-provincial governor grandfather a military surplus jeep after WWII: they walked everywhere. And kids were outside playing who are now very conspicuous by their outdoor absence in modern neighborhoods. Even my relatively active way of life, with 3K miles/year on a bike, is positively sedentary compared to the lives of even non-laboring classes back before the auto, the suburbs and 24/7 couch entertainment -- Samuel Pepys did far more walking than I ever do. Frankly, I expect that almost complete lack of activity is in good part to blame for so much obesity; it's hard to see how many obese people could even function if they regularly had simply to walk further than from couch to garage, or if they had to climb a couple flights of stairs. On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Tim McNamaratim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Aug 12, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Zack wrote: I am happy to let the scientists battle this one out! I will say that I have lost 20 pounds now in about 8 weeks, and my wife has lost about 10. I had way more to lose before starting a diet that is higher in fat, filled with vegetables, and some fruits than she did. It is working for me. I have also increased the amount of greens in my diet significantly - I now have them at all three meals. And I am drinking a significant amount of water (and managing potassium and sodium levels appropriately). I haven't read anything by Taube so I can't comment on the scientific basis for his work, except to say that the science of human nutrition is far from exact. And because we are omnivores, widely varying diets can keep us alive and relatively healthy. What surely seems to be bad for us is a diet high in processed foods, hydrogenated fats, salt, etc., and low in fiber, phytonutrients, vitamins, micronutrients, minerals, etc. Americans (and maybe people in other places too) probably eat a fraction of the vegetables they should. If you've added a lot of vegetable to your diet, this is almost certainly going to be a boost for your health and will make it easier to lose weight. Many vegetables are best eaten raw. Wash them thoroughly in water, though, because pesticide residues are bad for us and in many cases are bioaccumulative (stored in our tissues). If farmers follow the pesticide guidelines carefully, pesticide residues are very low but I know (from farmers) that this is often not the case. http://nutrition.about.com/od/ahealthykitchen/a/washveggies.htm There may be a link between pesticide exposure and the risk of Parkinson's disease: http://www.nih.gov/news/health/feb2011/niehs-11.htm Generally the risk seems to be observed in people with a lot of exposure- crop sprayers, for example- and I don't know of any specific research linking the levels one might be exposed to in food with increased risk of Parkinson's. However, washing fruits and vegetables is really easy to do, takes just a minute, and why take potential unnecessary risks that are so easily avoided? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
I don't want to prolong this somewhat OT debate beyond the limits of reason or good taste, but I have to say that the idea that carbs as such are bad for you and unnatural to human beings simply doesn't correspond with millennia of human history. Again, it wasn't the Chinese, Filipinos, Africans, Indians, Asian and American, Irish peasants and New Guineans, Peruvian highlanders, residents of coral atolls and Italian pasta eaters, carbo eaters all, who were fat and prone to diabetes. And it was Europeans who ate the most meat and cheese and dairy, leaving out Inuit and Sioux and perhaps Masai (who lived largely off blood and milk, plus millet traded for with other tribes) and other small groups who ate mostly meat or dairy or fish. FWIW, corn -- growing, eating -- is integral to Hopi spiritual life I don't say that Taube is all wrong or that one might not benefit from his dietary recommendations, but to make carbs the culprit for the modern West's ill health is clearly in contradiction with history and experience. As for examining human experience, he seems to have rather strangely left out a good part of it in his researches. Patrick trim without trying at 170 and a long torso'd (Asian build) 5'10 from loading on beer, bread, pasta -- but no processed foods! Moore On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 10:47 AM, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote: My point is that Taubes' observations of the hundreds of studies (world wide) of human metabolism point to the same general conclusion: Humans are animals, and proteins are far and away the dominant nutrients required by our bodies. We have, physiologically, almost no use for carbohydrates, and our bodies' insulin system bears that out. Yes, we can tolerate them and even use them effectively, but humans have succumbed to living off of them and are doing more so as time goes by. The parallel with the global increase in obesity and most major diseases is stunningly obvious, yet we do everything in our power to deny it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
Perhaps I should and I will. But some of his positions (carb = bad) as presented in this thread simply don't correspond to history. The Chinese are getting fat from Big Macs and other animal fare, not from their traditional rice. And I don't think you can refute the idea that minimal exercise is required for normal wellbeing. On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 10:55 AM, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote: I think you should actually read Why We Get Fat. What you are asserting is largely refuted in the book. On 8/12/2011 11:00 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: One huge difference between our mid-20th-century-on and the lives of even relatively recent forbears is simply the absence of physical activity. I remember, as a boy in the late '50s and early '60s how road crews would use picks, shovels and hand-controlled jackhammers, while road crews today for the most part seem to have a big, yellow machine to do it all. And with the move to suburbia, people don't even have to walk to the bus stop or train station any more. You read of pre-industrial or early industrial workers who spent hours every day, six days a week, throughout their working lives, digging, plowing, sawing, nailing, axing, fishing, bricklaying, etc. Even my mother's family, who were well-to-do provincial squirearchy in southern Luzon, never owned a car until the Yanks gave my by-then-provincial governor grandfather a military surplus jeep after WWII: they walked everywhere. And kids were outside playing who are now very conspicuous by their outdoor absence in modern neighborhoods. Even my relatively active way of life, with 3K miles/year on a bike, is positively sedentary compared to the lives of even non-laboring classes back before the auto, the suburbs and 24/7 couch entertainment -- Samuel Pepys did far more walking than I ever do. Frankly, I expect that almost complete lack of activity is in good part to blame for so much obesity; it's hard to see how many obese people could even function if they regularly had simply to walk further than from couch to garage, or if they had to climb a couple flights of stairs. On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Tim McNamaratim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Aug 12, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Zack wrote: I am happy to let the scientists battle this one out! I will say that I have lost 20 pounds now in about 8 weeks, and my wife has lost about 10. I had way more to lose before starting a diet that is higher in fat, filled with vegetables, and some fruits than she did. It is working for me. I have also increased the amount of greens in my diet significantly - I now have them at all three meals. And I am drinking a significant amount of water (and managing potassium and sodium levels appropriately). I haven't read anything by Taube so I can't comment on the scientific basis for his work, except to say that the science of human nutrition is far from exact. And because we are omnivores, widely varying diets can keep us alive and relatively healthy. What surely seems to be bad for us is a diet high in processed foods, hydrogenated fats, salt, etc., and low in fiber, phytonutrients, vitamins, micronutrients, minerals, etc. Americans (and maybe people in other places too) probably eat a fraction of the vegetables they should. If you've added a lot of vegetable to your diet, this is almost certainly going to be a boost for your health and will make it easier to lose weight. Many vegetables are best eaten raw. Wash them thoroughly in water, though, because pesticide residues are bad for us and in many cases are bioaccumulative (stored in our tissues). If farmers follow the pesticide guidelines carefully, pesticide residues are very low but I know (from farmers) that this is often not the case. http://nutrition.about.com/od/ahealthykitchen/a/washveggies.htm There may be a link between pesticide exposure and the risk of Parkinson's disease: http://www.nih.gov/news/health/feb2011/niehs-11.htm Generally the risk seems to be observed in people with a lot of exposure- crop sprayers, for example- and I don't know of any specific research linking the levels one might be exposed to in food with increased risk of Parkinson's. However, washing fruits and vegetables is really easy to do, takes just a minute, and why take potential unnecessary risks that are so easily avoided? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
As I understand it, it isn't that carbs are bad. The problem is the quantity and type being consumed. Easily available fructose seems to be particularly problematic, whether it comes in the form of sugar, high fructose corn syrup, or juice drinks. Interesting research on this is being done by Dr. Robert Lustig at UCSF, which Taubes reports on in his NYT article on sugar: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html?pagewanted=all -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LGdehaBQ6WUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: What is left
Prices include shipping, CONUS only. Stems 11 cm, roughly 10* rise 1 1/8 Easton, vg, $15 shipped: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/ForSale#556792356611906 Pedals: Pinned BMX pedals, vg quality, condition good, bearings v smooth, only text on them says Stomp, $35 shipped: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/ForSale#5639683833485087730 Shimano M324: Black, good, bearings dry (not rough), $25 shipped: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/ForSale#5639683847445418706 Computers: Big mix o' stuff that includes one NIB Trek Time computer, two working Sports Instrument SI 90 computers with only one mount between them, plus hacked up instr booklet; 1 Avenir AC1 that works, with mount in there somewhere, one other whoknowswhat that, I am pretty sure, works and that (prolly) has a mount; and one very iffy Avocet 20. But that's not all! You get a double handful of mostly Avocet mounts, wires, magnets, clamps and bits; AND, IF YOU ACT NOW !!! , a small ziplock with pill batteries *that just might be good* $20 shipped.See: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/ForSale#5639683841036872834 et precedentes et sequentes. Bars: 1 pr 42 mm wide Nitto 185s, no grooves, and 1 pr 44 cm wide, grooves; $I dunno, make me an offer. Here: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/ForSale#5639683843921837378 andhttps://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/ForSale#5639683845263445058 Derailleur: Shimano Deer's head fd, good, $25 shipped: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/ForSale#5639683839025111938 Hubs SR high flange, 36 hole freewheel hub, bearings seem decent but need grease and adjustment, $15 shipped: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/ForSale#5639683847752741842 Tires: 622X 32 (actual on 23 mm rims) Pasela Tourguards, very good tread, small -- little finger's nail sized -- casing bubble on one that has been booted and has given no problem, $30 shipped CONUS; will toss in similar looking, similar width folding tire, new, don't know name, for total of $35 shipped CONUS. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?
+1 for the Dennings of The Country Bike Shop; I drove there late 2009 (6 hours each way for me) just to straddle a Hillborne. I was nervous that I maybe misunderstood or fumbled the whole PBH thing and would find myself getting a poorly-fitting bike. They set it up with my kind of bars, did the PBH measuring, let me straddle one with a B17 (which is now my favorite kind if saddle), and chatted with me and my companion for a good while about bike-y things in their completely delightful shop. 12 hours each way in a car is tough to justify for any shopping trip. But going to The Country Bike Shop is a big incentive. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jUKxZUD_7vkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
Yeah, I was going to chime in on this, too. It's mainly the highly processed food that we eat that creates most of the problems. And the sugars, according to Taubes anyway. BTW, one more item in addition to my previous post about the diet: I used to have constant heartburn issues, so much so that I got used to always carrying a package of Tums around in my pocket. Since starting to eat Taubes-style I have had only one or two antacids and those were after times when I violated the restrictions and ate some kind of processed carbs. On Aug 13, 1:44 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: As I understand it, it isn't that carbs are bad. The problem is the quantity and type being consumed. Easily available fructose seems to be particularly problematic, whether it comes in the form of sugar, high fructose corn syrup, or juice drinks. Interesting research on this is being done by Dr. Robert Lustig at UCSF, which Taubes reports on in his NYT article on sugar: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html?pagewan... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 3 nice things from Rivendell
Another nice thing is the RMX pedals. They're stupid cheap, and work amazingly well. I've probably ordered half a dozen through the years - maybe more - as I sell or give away bikes. They're not expensive enough to bother removing before a sale, so I always end up with a new stash from Rivendell eventually. I have one pair of Grip Kings, which are nice, but I prefer these. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/JTnpdGpjVHYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Taking my Atlantis on tour again
Hey all, I'm just about to set off on another tour on my Atlantis. This time through the Cascades in Washington and Oregon. As always I'll be blogging and posting pics which one can follow along with (if interested): Blog: http://www.spiralcage.com/rootless/ Pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35237104136@N01/sets/72157627424743212/ Cheers, Robert -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Taking my Atlantis on tour again
Great! I'll be following along. Can you describe how you've loaded your bike and what you are carrying? Did you cut off the vertical handle of the Nitto Big Rear Rack to allow your large saddlebag to fit under the saddle? I'm sure I'll have more questions later... ;-) Have a great time! Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Aug 13, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Robert Kirkpatrick spiralc...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I'm just about to set off on another tour on my Atlantis. This time through the Cascades in Washington and Oregon. As always I'll be blogging and posting pics which one can follow along with (if interested): Blog: http://www.spiralcage.com/rootless/ Pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35237104136@N01/sets/72157627424743212/ Cheers, Robert -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:20 PM, George Schick wrote: It's mainly the highly processed food that we eat that creates most of the problems. And the sugars, according to Taubes anyway. It's probably high glycemic foods in general, from his perspective, because these are quickly absorbed into the bloodstream and provoke the insulin response. http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Glycemic_index_and_glycemic_load_for_100_foods.htm Highly processed food, almost by definition, have had most if not all of the fiber removed and, along with that, most of the nutrients other than carbs, fats and proteins. Whole foods- i.e., pretty much left alone and eaten as nature makes them- tend not to to be highly glycemic. There are some exceptions- dried dates are extremely glycemic, for example. Even honey, the main naturally occurring concentrated sweet in much of the world, is less glycemic than glucose. We have a sweet tooth as a species because carbohydrates were hard to get and we need them (for example, the brain derives 100% of its energy from glucose). Now we have made carbohydrates- especially simple sugars- abundant and embedded in all kinds of foods. The problem with moving towards a heavily protein based diet is that meats aren't very good for us either; they tend to be high in saturated fats and various cooking methods increase mutagenicity. Whomever referenced Grandma's advice was spot on. I'd also add Michael Pollan's advice: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Hilly Hundred
For ANYTHING on pavement and for many things off pavement, I absolutely love Jack Brown Greens. For regular road rides, there is nothing I prefer more than those, and this state is going on four years now. -Original Message- From: Shawn sa240...@yahoo.com Sent: Aug 13, 2011 6:52 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Hilly Hundred My son and I are going to ride the Hilly Hundred for the first time this year. I will be riding my Atlantis and my son will be riding his Trek 2200r. My son asked why I was not riding my carbon fiber Cannondale Synapse. I told him someone has to ride a real bike to carry all of our support gear. Anyway, I plan on riding on Jack Brown Green tires and was wondering if this is a good choice for this type of ride? The Jack Browns have been good to me so far. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
I've been a calorie counter for 40 years. At 62, I'm six feet tall and weigh 140lbs. I drink beer every day and eat pasta and pizza at least a couple times a week. The problem with Taubes is that his diet is too restrictive. Taubes states that low carb diets failed because doctors discounted them. Wrong. These diets failed because most people won't stay on them long term. The beauty of calorie counting is that you can eat whatever you want, you just need to control portion size. Calories in/calories out - it really is that simple. On Aug 12, 10:08 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for posting that link. I've been skeptical of the either or approach to diets on the basis simply of mankind's millennial experience: most people during most of recorded - anyway -- history ate mostly carbs and, in the case of the Chinese their cultural descendents, mostly refined carbs. Yet you didn't see huge numbers of obese rice eaters -- or of obese pasta eaters, for that matter, until perhaps very recently. OTOH, the traditional polar peoples eat almost nothing except animal products with huge amounts of animal fat (and they were not fat, either -- rather slim, in fact). My take: do what Gran'ma told you and don't eat before meals, eat a balanced diet and finish up those vegetables, and in Rome do as the Romans, so to speak. On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/08/carbohydrate-hypothesis... I'm not an expert or have a strong opinion one way or another, I just think it's fantastic that there's a debate searching for actionable ways to control obesity in this country right now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/nIIdSEZbkgYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Taking my Atlantis on tour again
This makes me very angry! Have a blast! Ryan On Aug 13, 12:48 pm, Robert Kirkpatrick spiralc...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I'm just about to set off on another tour on my Atlantis. This time through the Cascades in Washington and Oregon. As always I'll be blogging and posting pics which one can follow along with (if interested): Blog: http://www.spiralcage.com/rootless/ Pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35237104136@N01/sets/72157627424743212/ Cheers, Robert -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
I agree with Patrick on this . No one knows. nor will they ever know the entire truth about food and our relationships to it . . . . because it is ... and always will be ever changing. There is no absolute truth just what we each choose to believe. We can thrive on just about anything it's more about our mental and emotion attitudes about food than the food itself. . . . more than is ever talked about ... because people mostly believe the body is like a machine and needs to be fed vitamins/minerals carbs , protein and fat. Our strong faith in science in our western culture is . telling. We've forgotten how to listen to our absolutely uniquely individual wants, needs and desires in favor of what the supposed authorities tell us they *think*they know. No one knows you and me better than you and me. But ... we gotta listen. I realize this is a cycling forum . .. . but hey you know we're all humans. We're not machines just riding bikes and talking about them. We are so much more ... if we really knew how much it would blow our pea sized earthly brains off our bodies LoL. Yes ... that was supposed to be funny:) ... but damm straight honest too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xXiV3ceh-b8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
On Aug 13, 3:12 pm, IPATOM tomdu...@hotmail.com wrote: Calories in/calories out - it really is that simple. Please read Taubes before making that statement which modern nutrition research is proving wrong. Glen, who loosely follows Taubes mostly follows Sisson (thanks Grant!) and easily dropped 40 since the first of the year. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Taking my Atlantis on tour again
Have a great tour Robert. I always enjoy your touring related blog and Flickr post. --mike On Aug 13, 12:48 pm, Robert Kirkpatrick spiralc...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I'm just about to set off on another tour on my Atlantis. This time through the Cascades in Washington and Oregon. As always I'll be blogging and posting pics which one can follow along with (if interested): Blog: http://www.spiralcage.com/rootless/ Pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35237104136@N01/sets/72157627424743212/ Cheers, Robert -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Grant's new game...
Hi all, This Saturday afternoon I drove to RBW to exchange a pair of brand new 50mm Big Apples (I'm using the 60mm BAs) and take a look at the new sweaters. Much to my surprise, when I arrived I found that Jay and Grant were there in addition to Harry and the usual Saturday contingent. My son was with me and I introduced him to Grant who showed me his new game/challenge for visiting customers. On the outside metal wall, at different heights starting at about 10 - 12 feet (my guess) he had placed a bunch of magnets and the contest was basically to throw a lug up and get it to stick to one of the magnets. The RBW bunch had obviously been practicing as there were a few of them on the wall, but Grant proudly showed me the rules sheet and asked me if I wanted to try. Based on the height of the magnets, if you were succesful in getting a lug to stick to one, you'd win different discounts. You have 3 shots to make it. The rules also explain that hitting a magnet won't work, you basically have to throw the lug in such a way that at the peak of the throw, right when it's pretty much motionless before coming back down, it makes contact with the magnet so it stays stuck. I did my first two throws which didn't even touch the wall, but were peaking close to my target magnet and Grant, seeing how bad I was, promptly told me that they were my two free tries for warm-up and now the real count began. First real throw again didn't touch the wall but peaked well, second throw hit the wall too low on the way down, third throw was perfect! The lug peaked right next to the magnet, barely touching it but getting locked just as it was starting to come down. Grant couldn't believe it! Apparently they've all tried and deemed it quite difficult to accomplish. That they could go 20+ throws in a row and still not make it. What did I win? $200 off or 25% off. As I couldn't really get another frame for the 25% off, I took the $200 off my order and got the WoollyWarm vest and the sargeant sweater for free, paying just $50+ after exchanging the BAs for a pair of 40mm Duremes and a brass bell. Photos are here: *http://tinyurl.com/3fdj5f7* ** I don't know for how long Grant will keep this challenge going on, but if you are on the fence regarding visiting RBW headquarters to do some shopping vs. ordering online, I suggest you visit in person and try your luck or your skills. My winning lug is the third from the right on the photos. Grant still couldn't believe I had won when I left... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant's new game...
Congrats! That does look really hard. I like your photo; even though Grant's back is to us, you can tell that he's flummoxed by your getting the lug to stick to the magnet. =) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ss5dpmns9-QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
